Reminder the Saint Louis Chess Club was warned their employee Alejandro Ramirez was assaulting vulnerable minors, but they took no action, continued to give him access to victims, yet claim the moral high ground.
@@gilgamesh8334innocence until proven guilty is a government standard - ie you cannot be imprisoned before being convicted. It's a terrible standard for how you interact with people in personal and business life. If I am 10% sure someone is hurting children, I am not going to provide them access to those children until I'm 100% sure they aren't.
@holyknightthatpwns well bro I can tell all my friends that you are a pedo. And since I said that, everyone at least thinks you might be pedo and start acting to you like ur a pedo, even though i totally made it up. All of that cause we're not using this "terrible standard" of not guilty till proven. If you accuse something you need to give proofs to convince other that its not made up. Otherwise go and cry about it
I'm no fan of hans myself but it does look like he is being subjected to a witchhunt that is very personally motivated. They want him specifically out of chess.
He's got some powerful and influential top players as enemies, you could say. And even if these players don't particularly care at all, people will still try to make things hard for Hans to flatter them.
It's crazy. Danny Rensch says he cheated on the site yet is trying to rehabilitate him and allows him to return to events. SLCC and USCF say he never cheated yet are trying to shut him down and block him from all events. The difference in standards is wild. A year or two banned from the site would have been fair, a year cut from all events (who claim he played fair) whilst he tries to reimburse the parties isn't. USCF really shouldn't even be involved with any of it yet they're trying to step in based on hearsay months down the line.
@@DrippyWaffler his comment was simplistic and beside the point, but it didn't reach the point of aggressive harassment. Who do you think you are to make accusations lightly?
I get that the SLCC has an association with the hotel, but the USCF doesn't. Nothing he does in the hotel has anything to do with USCF chess, right? Weird for the USCF to have any interest in that. Going to ban him for a speeding ticket or something next?
@@bjergsenhall9412it shouldn’t matter how famous or good the player is. Banning someone for property damage that isn’t even related in any sort to chess is ridiculous
@@idocare6538 Second time he's trashed a hotel on a chess tournament. While Levi claims to not know why this is "bad", I assume there's a limited amount of cash in the chess world, unlike the (for example) Baseball or Hockey world, and thus smashing up a hotel room might end up loosing the Chess federations a lot of cash/sponsorship/goodwill if they at least don't follow procedure.
Bro he paid for the inconvenience, that means he pays for all the new material plus extra for the work hours they have to put in plus extra for the inconvenience @TechyBen
The hotel incident reflects badly on the event organizers. Even if he apologized and paid, it doesn't 'uncrumple the paper', it just smooths things out again. If somebody ran into your driveway, totaled your car, but apologized profusely and wrote you a cheque for it, it still isn't the same as never having done it. Staying in the hotel's good graces is important to the Chess Club hosting so they can do future events there.
True, but to further use your analogy, the problem is that the Saint Louis chess club got their car damaged by another chess player where they did not care (Irina Krush kicked a hole into the wall). Very weird double standards.
Not a perfect analogy is that you are an innocent bystander having nothing to do with situation. The hotel is in the business of accomodating guests, including difficult one, and dealing with damages is part of doing business. So there is no emotions involved, charge the guilty party, call repair crew and move along. It is like you were renting your car and the client totalled it. You should not be emotionally attached to your rental fleet.
That game against Isik was pretty insane. I’m glad he’s doing going. To overcome what he has these past few years is pretty amazing. Many people wouldn’t have rebounded from that.
Multiple things not mentioned here. Didn't mention until much later that he paid for all his damage. So first and foremost, he damaged property. Then he paid for damages. There are multiple facts about this. Fact 1 = consequences for this behavior would be totally valid. There are probably rules in other sports for doing something like this. But especially chess, there should definitely be a severe penalty for this behavior. Such as a year ban. Fact 2 = you cannot give anybody any consequences for something that is not a rule. Rules need to be clear in advance with consequences known. Proven with a signature agreeing to rules. If there is nothing in writing that defines the rule and consequences, then it is unethical to punish somebody for not violating any rules they can be proven to be aware of. Fact 3 = if this was anybody else like Magnus who did it, they would receive no consequences.
@@bluedragon4shobro he doesn’t cheat, he’s proved himself over and over again to be a fantastic chess player. Yes obviously he admitted to cheating when he was younger in online games but that doesn’t mean he should be accused of cheating for the rest of his life. We’ve all made mistakes when we were teenagers. Hans has proved himself in over the board tournaments countless times, and he also recently lost to levy in an online blitz game, you really think he’s cheating? Losing to a lower rated player like levy is embarrassing for him (even grandmasters are human tho, especially in low time format- mistakes are bound to happen), if he was truly still cheating he wouldn’t have let that happen. Hans wins against top players but he also loses his fair share as well, he’s legit.
@@SwiFTDBL I honestly think he's shown that if there were a way to cheat without getting caught, he would exploit it. The chess world does not need him just because he's good.
Love him or hate him, he is objectively good for the chess world. He puts chess into the news, and draws in viewers. Even if it's just a "Oh what did he do this time????". There's no such thing as bad publicity as they say. Besides he's a 20 year old kid, and this was a mistake which he owned up to and paid the price for out of his own pocket to the hotel. Look at John McEnroe in tennis. It's a bit of an older reference but he brought in American viewership. I feel like Hans does the same thing as a young and rising talent.
No he really isn't. Cheating poses an existential threat to the game; similar to match fixing games in sports for gambling. Just as much as sports leagues come down hard on matchfixing, chess needs to come down hard on cheaters. Regardless if you believe hans cheated or not, the fact that there is a perception that cheating is rampant and Hans was so flippant about it is a severe problem for the chess world. Its the wrong kind of publicity.
@@dpakj989 Yeah I feel like it's enough that he cheated when he was younger to outright ban him from chess. Just because he's good doesn't mean he needs to be preserved. There are plenty of good chess players on the scene right now.
The saying that there is "no such thing as bad publicity" is an antiquated ideal based on the past broadcasting and press which was entirely controlled by enterprises/governments. That saying hold no weight in the modern age with near absolute free press, where bad publicity can quite literally ruin a mans career or alienate an entire company from its customer base. Stop spouting nonsense.
Actually the game of Hans Niemann was very impressive. Yu Yangyi played like I. You want to checkmate me? How about this check? And that check? And this one? Oops, I am out of checks. Resign time.
Anyone that doesn’t think Hans is a legitimate threat to dominate top level chess sooner rather than later hasn’t been paying attention. No one has grinded tournaments harder than him in the last 5 years. While he definitely could benefit from maturing, he’s unrelenting and his focus is god tier.
Insane for his bank account indeed. A 35 minutes unedited video with essentially zero content to earn $300+ is an insane hourly. I think RUclips should seriously do something about this amount of clickbait abuse because it's almost starting to feel borderline illegal lol.
@@Calamus056 You call this borderline illegal? You think clickbait is illegal? If you have a problem with this guy earning 300$+ on videos like this, there are youtubers who use even worse clickbait and earn 5 figures on just one video. Also there are streamers reacting to random videos, who can't even string a proper sentence, earning 8 figures. This is literally nothing, nobody will do anything against clickbait cause it gets youtube money.
@@Jasmixd it's months old news and nobody cares about the perspective of a completely irrelevant IM and the rest of the video is showing chess matches which once again not only is not his content but anyone can look up and use Stockfish to analyze because why would you want to learn it sub optimally from a random IM. On top of that the video is a one taker so no production value. It's almosttttttt like he doesn't care about quality and integrity and just does it for the money....hmmmm.
Its crazy that chess is supposed to be all mental and when a player expresses his feelings of loss and anger physically once he gets suspendes like hans is human
I think downloading a custom, more visible mouse pointer would help a lot for the hypothetical moves, as the mouse will just shoot in from the side and is a little hard to see. Great video though!
A year is absurd. Especially if he apologized and tried to make amends. As you've said "Athletes have done much worse" and gotten far less repercussions
I think a more appropriate penalty based on the public information is a significant fine and maybe a month or a tournament suspension. That is what would happen to many sports figures. A year seems massive overkill.
Yes to employees of teams that pay them millions of dollars. Not for independent players who are customers of the chess federation. USCF gives a free membership to US GMs. That is the extent of their oversight.
No need to wear a tinfoil hat for that, Hans behaves in a way that most orgs would already be wary of associating with him. The scandals on top of it were what broke the camel's back. Magnus already pulled the "I won't play there while he is there" card when the drama originally happened so if that didn't invoke a response from them then I'd say he isn't doing much else about it now.
If all he did was destroyed stuff in the hotel, it should be a simple as don't let him stay in that hotel anymore (on the UCF dime) if the UCF is going to pay just put them in a RedRoof Inn or something. If he pays himself and the hotel allows him to stay then it is no-ones business.
Thank you for being honest about the situation. You cannot punish a guy (in this case Hans Niemann, but could be anyone) for an action that took place outside of a chess tournament that had nothing to do with the chess club or tournament, at least in the sense that the context of the accusations against him are not threatening to harm individuals or places in general. It is ridiculous to me, and personally i think STLCC just feels the need to play arbitrary about Niemann to avoid drama after going through a lot of speculation revolving around former employees. I appreciate everything that STLCC has done for chess, I truly do, but they are striking the wrong chord with this one.
Actions mean everything. Being a murderer doesn’t have anything to do with chess, but you still don’t invite the known murderer to chess events. You also don’t want a guy known for damaging property in a scene requiring a good relationship between our community and the people providing us places to stay. That being said I do think a year is too much, it’s just hard to say. No accountability isn’t the answer though imo
@@nbp8467 oh come on. it'd be one thing if Niemann had pissed in the corner of his hotel room and then gone off onto the internet to post about how badass he is, but by all accounts he paid for the damage and apologised. that should be the end of it.
@@evilotis01 why would that be the end of it? Paying for it is great, but if I went to your house and did $5000 worth of damages and then paid you for it I don’t think you’d consider that as much of a non issue
@@nbp8467 well, for a start, it's a hotel, not my (or anyone else's) house, so that's not a great comparison. and look, if i had, idk, my cousin's kid staying w me, and he was an 18yo chess prodigy, and he lost a game and broke something out of anger-sure, i wouldn't be super impressed. but if he came to me the next day and said, "look, i'm really sorry, i acted like a dickhead, i'll cover the cost of whatever damage i dd, and i'll make sure to learn from this and control my anger better"... yeah, that prob would be the end of it, tbh
Hans is speculating it was St. Lewis Chess that filed the complaint. Levy is specualting that it was over the hotel incident and you are specualting that is the ONLY thing and the only complaint.
Imagine Magnus or Hikaru damaged hotel property. Not a chance in hell there would be any consequences whatsoever. Would be sweptnunder the rug, and made into a fun meme in no time.
I was fortunate enough to meet Gleb and as I was playong in the WJCC in Gujurat and I finished 120th and Have never even seen a gm so I asked to take a photo with him. He is so humble he said oh im not so strong are you sure you want to 😂. He is such a cool dude and very kind.
@@u.v.s.5583 I think you would be surprised how much Hans is on social media 😉 I meant it in the way that he appreciates his chess being shown to a big audience.
Hans seems to have half-a-dozen ways to play and win. That's a clear sign of his strength. His particular way (recently) of playing against 2650+ opponents is perfect, but a bit messy-looking. I see that he has taken up an idea Bent Larsen used a lot: a passed pawn to deflect opponent defenders, and then switching to the attack on their king. He did it in a couple of those games. Larsen appeared extremely tactical and provocative, but he also had a subtle strategic sense, or he wouldn't have been a top player. His Meran and Queen's Indian games were always interesting. But, as for maintaining the tension until weaknesses appear, that's a Garri Kasparov specialty. He could walk on the edge of a knife without spilling a drop of blood. Then, when he sensed his opponent's blood -- KaBoom. He was all over them. I really liked the passed pawn game. That was fantastic, classic technique. It reminded me of the last Fischer-Petrosian game!!! He ought to maybe look at how Fischer played the Rossolimo against Spassky in 1992. Ideas from that may add to his handling of it.
The guy is a supergenius. Last I checked, that is the definition of being a bit awkward and socially rough. This super hi-achieving kid blew a gasket after putting too much pressure on himself, Everyone should resign their USCF membership in protest of this stupid decission. If he had gotten in a car accident, would he be trashed? No, because that has nothing to do with the chess (which speaks for itself, btw). If he had stood up at a bopard, splashed all the pieces and started beating his opp with the Board, sure, that has to do with his chess performance. What happens in his bedroom during a tournament is not the business of anyone who was not in the bedroom at the time.
I wonder who Hans pissed off (besides Magnus) to be treated to this kind of witch hunt. Suddenly a chess club claims moral responsibility over issues that are waaay outside their responsibilities just to get material to use against him. Not to mention the SLCC doesn't have that great of a record with "keeping their house clean" aswell.
it's more like you go to a movie theater to watch the new marvel blockbuster damage the premises, pay for the damages and then disney bans you from seeing their films.
Say what you want, Hans plays the most exciting chess. No one at his level plays like him. Dubious lines for super gm’s to use, takes chances, rare draws.
Dude, I live just outside St. Louis and I’m so naive to the chess world, I didn’t even know there was some important chess club here. Thanks for this enlightenment.
I vaguely remember a story about Dembèlè, who once played for Borussia Dormut and when he changed team, they found his old house all covered in shit. Years later he was charged 10.000 euro but he refused to pay it. I don't know how It ended honestly.
Saint Louis Chess Club needs to be suspended for bringing chess into disrepute. Looks like a bunch of power-tripping egomaniacs there, looking at how they treat people like Niemann and Shahade.
In the given position from the last game after 5...0-0, Anish plays 6. b3, Wesley and Levon both play 6. d4 and Artemiev plays 6. cd followed by 7. b3. I would not call that unusual. Hans' response of ...Bf5 and ...Nbd7 is somewhat unusual though, with the stem game to this one (admittedly by transposition from a Nimzo-Larsen) being Artemiev-Tang 2021. In that game, instead of 11. Qc2, Vladislav continued 11. Re1 a5; 12. a3 Nc5; 13. Qc2, eventually winning in 55 moves. The big difference in these 2 games is that Artemiev got in a timely e4, allowing the latent dynamism of his position to be released.
I think immediate suspension is a little much, but not absolutely unreasonable. The probation makes sense, and if he repeat offends, then yeah, one yeas suspension makes sense.
I listened to a podcast a few years back where this guy was interviewing Hans. I had never heard of him. But from what he was saying it was clear that he was so driven to be the best that i just knew he was going to become a top chess legend. You can't hold a man like this back. They can try. But it won't stop him.
@@KolpacinoBSNobody has even a tiny bit of proof he has ever cheated in a over the table tournament, or even after the age of SIXTEEN. If you think he's a cheater, show the chess world true, unquestionable proof. Don't parrot the opinion of manchildren who can't believe they lost to him so they threw tantrums.
Bro if he paid for the damage then why is there even a conversation about it? This shouldn't even pass as news let alone warrant a 1 year suspension on probation or not. Like what?? Is the chess world actually trying to portray itself as bad for every potential talent that might want to go in?
They realized the man is a force against the world, and needed him on their side. The only country that actively shits on it's own Juniors by the way, a little strange how most of the top Junior players were caught cheating at one point or another but that's forgotten about. But Hans has it linger over his head forever.
There’s a very big difference between punching a wall while alone in your room and punching a wall in front of the opponent who just beat you, and there’s a full spectrum of possible context between those two. We don’t know the circumstances of the broken property in the room, but there’s very much a possibility that the full context could warrant a 1 year ban.
I hope Levy becomes a Grandmother
He is not ?
facts
We changing genders with this one 😂😂🎉🎉🎉😅😅
relatable
Real
Reminder the Saint Louis Chess Club was warned their employee Alejandro Ramirez was assaulting vulnerable minors, but they took no action, continued to give him access to victims, yet claim the moral high ground.
Was he convicted? Otherwise it’s innocent until proven guilty. Hans literally confessed to the destruction of private property and disorderly conduct.
@@gilgamesh8334innocence until proven guilty is a government standard - ie you cannot be imprisoned before being convicted.
It's a terrible standard for how you interact with people in personal and business life. If I am 10% sure someone is hurting children, I am not going to provide them access to those children until I'm 100% sure they aren't.
b//sting this! omg?
Then again how do you probe he didnt@@holyknightthatpwns
@holyknightthatpwns well bro I can tell all my friends that you are a pedo. And since I said that, everyone at least thinks you might be pedo and start acting to you like ur a pedo, even though i totally made it up. All of that cause we're not using this "terrible standard" of not guilty till proven. If you accuse something you need to give proofs to convince other that its not made up. Otherwise go and cry about it
I'm in India and saw your book at a big book store here! Was a pleasant surprise!
Where
Yeah I bought it in Slovakia too! Great to see the book in bookstores !
But did you buy it? 😊
''I'm in india''
Crossword?
I'm no fan of hans myself but it does look like he is being subjected to a witchhunt that is very personally motivated. They want him specifically out of chess.
I like that even though you are biased you have a rational opinion.
@@nictamer8754 rare breed 2024
Same. I think he behaves immature in a lot of ways, but he doesn't deserve the pitchforks he's getting pointed at him
Also he did not cheat when he beat Magnus over the board with black. The salt is real
He's got some powerful and influential top players as enemies, you could say. And even if these players don't particularly care at all, people will still try to make things hard for Hans to flatter them.
I really hope Levy becomes a Giant Monster
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He has one in his pants
I laughed at this much more than I should've lol
This is my favorite. Please keep posting it
@@brozomicki-sothe307 wtf you mean by dat
Levy never fails to achieve General Manager title
Levy never fails to milk any gm
Levy gonna milk hans and magnus until they run dry
Grandmother title
Npc
Cpn
Update speaks for itself.
@ProtoGrand speaks*
@@Ahmed_almwmein speaks*
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@@yousefaljarrah6625 speaks*
That's what Crowdstrike said
It's crazy. Danny Rensch says he cheated on the site yet is trying to rehabilitate him and allows him to return to events. SLCC and USCF say he never cheated yet are trying to shut him down and block him from all events. The difference in standards is wild. A year or two banned from the site would have been fair, a year cut from all events (who claim he played fair) whilst he tries to reimburse the parties isn't. USCF really shouldn't even be involved with any of it yet they're trying to step in based on hearsay months down the line.
You're gorgeous and you watch Levi? Are you real? 🤔
@@jimmyhendrix7111Christ dude try not to be a cringey simp in the comments maybe.
@@jimmyhendrix7111 women get enough harassment irl no need to do it in RUclips comments too
@@jimmyhendrix7111, 3 guesses.
@@DrippyWaffler his comment was simplistic and beside the point, but it didn't reach the point of aggressive harassment. Who do you think you are to make accusations lightly?
15:13 brother that aint a fork its a whole trident
I find levy so smart unless he plays hikaru and hikaru goes "thatsnot a good move" even when levy breathes.
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that's bc you're very low level
@@MaxIronsThird im 500
@@Toniczgamingthat's as high as the elo goes i think
I get that the SLCC has an association with the hotel, but the USCF doesn't. Nothing he does in the hotel has anything to do with USCF chess, right? Weird for the USCF to have any interest in that. Going to ban him for a speeding ticket or something next?
@@EthelJung-j5w it makes you wonder if anyone with an axe to grind is pressuring USCF to take such action behind the scenes.
No Gotham on title Tuesday yesterday😢😢😢
He's still playing in Turkey. Priorities!
Couldn't give a fluff for one 😅
Suspending him for a year would be like baning Ronaldo from the fifa World Cup because he broke something in a Restaurant like what?
ur comparing him to ronaldo please seek god
@@bjergsenhall9412it shouldn’t matter how famous or good the player is. Banning someone for property damage that isn’t even related in any sort to chess is ridiculous
@@temporary4770 the club probably has a deal with the hotel in question.
@@bjergsenhall9412how do you go from Ronaldo to God within 2 seconds 😂 smh
hello hans
Levy is a secret admirer of Hans to be honest.
Me "Why is a year old video in my feed?" Also me "AGAIN!?!?!"
Huh?
@@idocare6538 Second time he's trashed a hotel on a chess tournament. While Levi claims to not know why this is "bad", I assume there's a limited amount of cash in the chess world, unlike the (for example) Baseball or Hockey world, and thus smashing up a hotel room might end up loosing the Chess federations a lot of cash/sponsorship/goodwill if they at least don't follow procedure.
Bro he paid for the inconvenience, that means he pays for all the new material plus extra for the work hours they have to put in plus extra for the inconvenience @TechyBen
@@emport2359how does it change anything? He's irresponsible and can't control himself.
@@TechyBenit's not the 2nd time he trashed a hotel, it's the same incident from a year ago that is being brought back up again what are you on about
The hotel incident reflects badly on the event organizers. Even if he apologized and paid, it doesn't 'uncrumple the paper', it just smooths things out again. If somebody ran into your driveway, totaled your car, but apologized profusely and wrote you a cheque for it, it still isn't the same as never having done it.
Staying in the hotel's good graces is important to the Chess Club hosting so they can do future events there.
Basic, common sense. Thank you.
If that same person came back 2 years later and asked to park in your drive way youd say it's ok.
True, but to further use your analogy, the problem is that the Saint Louis chess club got their car damaged by another chess player where they did not care (Irina Krush kicked a hole into the wall). Very weird double standards.
Not a perfect analogy is that you are an innocent bystander having nothing to do with situation. The hotel is in the business of accomodating guests, including difficult one, and dealing with damages is part of doing business. So there is no emotions involved, charge the guilty party, call repair crew and move along. It is like you were renting your car and the client totalled it. You should not be emotionally attached to your rental fleet.
Just say they want to succ daddy Magnus' big co*k. No one's blind.
Levy's video is never complete without the word bananas😂😂
It's a very tasty and delicious fruit, so why not always try to make people eat it more often.
Fyi you could eat the banana skin if you want. Good source of fiber
@@archaea18-naufal67yes but I don't want to eat it
That game against Isik was pretty insane. I’m glad he’s doing going. To overcome what he has these past few years is pretty amazing. Many people wouldn’t have rebounded from that.
Multiple things not mentioned here. Didn't mention until much later that he paid for all his damage. So first and foremost, he damaged property. Then he paid for damages. There are multiple facts about this. Fact 1 = consequences for this behavior would be totally valid. There are probably rules in other sports for doing something like this. But especially chess, there should definitely be a severe penalty for this behavior. Such as a year ban. Fact 2 = you cannot give anybody any consequences for something that is not a rule. Rules need to be clear in advance with consequences known. Proven with a signature agreeing to rules. If there is nothing in writing that defines the rule and consequences, then it is unethical to punish somebody for not violating any rules they can be proven to be aware of. Fact 3 = if this was anybody else like Magnus who did it, they would receive no consequences.
I hope Hans Will play next candidates
It's a very tough route, but it's possible.
Me too, then maybe he will get caught cheating finally.
@@bluedragon4sho you are stupide
@@bluedragon4shobro he doesn’t cheat, he’s proved himself over and over again to be a fantastic chess player. Yes obviously he admitted to cheating when he was younger in online games but that doesn’t mean he should be accused of cheating for the rest of his life. We’ve all made mistakes when we were teenagers. Hans has proved himself in over the board tournaments countless times, and he also recently lost to levy in an online blitz game, you really think he’s cheating? Losing to a lower rated player like levy is embarrassing for him (even grandmasters are human tho, especially in low time format- mistakes are bound to happen), if he was truly still cheating he wouldn’t have let that happen. Hans wins against top players but he also loses his fair share as well, he’s legit.
@@SwiFTDBL I honestly think he's shown that if there were a way to cheat without getting caught, he would exploit it. The chess world does not need him just because he's good.
Levy:hey Magnus, GM go rest in the field , Hans come here a little bit i wanna tell you something
don’t you mean mongoose carls
Huh?
True
😂...not really @@lol-yz8fh
Da fuck does this comment mean
The more I see Hans matches the more I think, "Dang, his Chess really does speak for itself." 😅
7:26 "it reminds me of my child hood with my parents" 💔
Love him or hate him, he is objectively good for the chess world. He puts chess into the news, and draws in viewers. Even if it's just a "Oh what did he do this time????". There's no such thing as bad publicity as they say. Besides he's a 20 year old kid, and this was a mistake which he owned up to and paid the price for out of his own pocket to the hotel. Look at John McEnroe in tennis. It's a bit of an older reference but he brought in American viewership. I feel like Hans does the same thing as a young and rising talent.
No he really isn't. Cheating poses an existential threat to the game; similar to match fixing games in sports for gambling. Just as much as sports leagues come down hard on matchfixing, chess needs to come down hard on cheaters. Regardless if you believe hans cheated or not, the fact that there is a perception that cheating is rampant and Hans was so flippant about it is a severe problem for the chess world. Its the wrong kind of publicity.
@@dpakj989 Yeah I feel like it's enough that he cheated when he was younger to outright ban him from chess. Just because he's good doesn't mean he needs to be preserved. There are plenty of good chess players on the scene right now.
The saying that there is "no such thing as bad publicity" is an antiquated ideal based on the past broadcasting and press which was entirely controlled by enterprises/governments. That saying hold no weight in the modern age with near absolute free press, where bad publicity can quite literally ruin a mans career or alienate an entire company from its customer base. Stop spouting nonsense.
Hans Niemann situation is crazy
Yu Yangyi Game was very impressive by Hans!
Actually the game of Hans Niemann was very impressive. Yu Yangyi played like I. You want to checkmate me? How about this check? And that check? And this one? Oops, I am out of checks. Resign time.
"INSANE Hans Niemann Update" was the title 😏
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He never changed it😢
Hans never fails to speak for himself
Fantastic update! The raw chess of Hans Niemann, and the brilliant analysis of Levy Rozman
Please stop with 100 elo chess and GTE, do all you video's on a high level, as above. As far as I am concerned.
Its the blunders and not the destination
Anyone that doesn’t think Hans is a legitimate threat to dominate top level chess sooner rather than later hasn’t been paying attention. No one has grinded tournaments harder than him in the last 5 years.
While he definitely could benefit from maturing, he’s unrelenting and his focus is god tier.
I would've never guessed that Niemann is a couple of months younger than me when he looks like that.
The sportsman who throws me off the most is Luke Littler, the darts player!
@@jamesmaskell3743 Oh my god, you're right. He looks 30.
stress of working ridiculously hard to reach the heights of a sport, something you probably haven't done.
Birth certificate says 21. Hairline says 40.
@@12345krillin Being a musician isn't easy either.
Compared with the tantrums and smashings up that tennis players get up to on a habitual basis, this seems trivial. Totally agree with Levi.
I can confirm that this update is indeed insane
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Insane for his bank account indeed. A 35 minutes unedited video with essentially zero content to earn $300+ is an insane hourly. I think RUclips should seriously do something about this amount of clickbait abuse because it's almost starting to feel borderline illegal lol.
@@Calamus056 Not gonna argue whether it's clickbait or not, but "zero content" is just factually untrue.
@@Calamus056 You call this borderline illegal? You think clickbait is illegal? If you have a problem with this guy earning 300$+ on videos like this, there are youtubers who use even worse clickbait and earn 5 figures on just one video. Also there are streamers reacting to random videos, who can't even string a proper sentence, earning 8 figures.
This is literally nothing, nobody will do anything against clickbait cause it gets youtube money.
@@Jasmixd it's months old news and nobody cares about the perspective of a completely irrelevant IM and the rest of the video is showing chess matches which once again not only is not his content but anyone can look up and use Stockfish to analyze because why would you want to learn it sub optimally from a random IM. On top of that the video is a one taker so no production value. It's almosttttttt like he doesn't care about quality and integrity and just does it for the money....hmmmm.
I've always loved Hans Niemann now I like him even more.
When you become a GM I'll celebrate
Its crazy that chess is supposed to be all mental and when a player expresses his feelings of loss and anger physically once he gets suspendes like hans is human
At this point, you kinda gotta feel for the guy. Magnus implied something once and now he can't catch a break from anyone.
I think downloading a custom, more visible mouse pointer would help a lot for the hypothetical moves, as the mouse will just shoot in from the side and is a little hard to see. Great video though!
Hans if not cheating, is the most entertaining classical player of our time, he is very creative
How is he supposed to cheat at OTB chess? And don't start with the anal buzz theorie lol
Check out some of Daniil Dubov’s games
I definitely think you should have taken Hans up on his offer to be your GM coach. Imagine where you'd be if you had.
Earlier video title was:
INSANE Hans niemann update
Levy never fails to change the title
No it was INSANE Hans Niemann Update
Levy, I hope you analyze more of Hans Niemann's great games! I find the ban in question absurd! He will show all his critics in the near future!
A year is absurd. Especially if he apologized and tried to make amends. As you've said "Athletes have done much worse" and gotten far less repercussions
It doesn't mean that Hans doesn't deserve punishment it means that other athletes should be held responsible.
28:29
Grand Master threatens a fork.
Gotham: Oh my, Oh my goodness, look at this He's threatening a fork, this is unbelievable.
I think a more appropriate penalty based on the public information is a significant fine and maybe a month or a tournament suspension. That is what would happen to many sports figures. A year seems massive overkill.
Yes to employees of teams that pay them millions of dollars.
Not for independent players who are customers of the chess federation.
USCF gives a free membership to US GMs. That is the extent of their oversight.
I like the sensible approach here, sounds like it's a bit crazy indeed. Anybody can have a temper sometimes.
22:42 inglorious bastards reference LMAO
I appreciate Levy trying to have a balanced view, Hans is definitely a polarizing figure
respect to @gothamchess for being impartial. My guess is Magnus and Nakamura are flexing influence on the chess club.
No need to wear a tinfoil hat for that, Hans behaves in a way that most orgs would already be wary of associating with him. The scandals on top of it were what broke the camel's back. Magnus already pulled the "I won't play there while he is there" card when the drama originally happened so if that didn't invoke a response from them then I'd say he isn't doing much else about it now.
They don't even have to say anything. These people will do everything to make life harder for Hans just to flatter them anyway.
Saint louis chess club allowed Han's competitors to get into their ear, motives being to eliminate competition by the .. and oversight from the club
Waiting to see GothamChess VS ChatGPT 4o
CHATGPT on it's way to murder its own king with it's own 9th pawn moving back..
If all he did was destroyed stuff in the hotel, it should be a simple as don't let him stay in that hotel anymore (on the UCF dime) if the UCF is going to pay just put them in a RedRoof Inn or something. If he pays himself and the hotel allows him to stay then it is no-ones business.
Thank you for being honest about the situation. You cannot punish a guy (in this case Hans Niemann, but could be anyone) for an action that took place outside of a chess tournament that had nothing to do with the chess club or tournament, at least in the sense that the context of the accusations against him are not threatening to harm individuals or places in general. It is ridiculous to me, and personally i think STLCC just feels the need to play arbitrary about Niemann to avoid drama after going through a lot of speculation revolving around former employees. I appreciate everything that STLCC has done for chess, I truly do, but they are striking the wrong chord with this one.
Actions mean everything. Being a murderer doesn’t have anything to do with chess, but you still don’t invite the known murderer to chess events. You also don’t want a guy known for damaging property in a scene requiring a good relationship between our community and the people providing us places to stay. That being said I do think a year is too much, it’s just hard to say. No accountability isn’t the answer though imo
@@nbp8467 oh come on. it'd be one thing if Niemann had pissed in the corner of his hotel room and then gone off onto the internet to post about how badass he is, but by all accounts he paid for the damage and apologised. that should be the end of it.
@@evilotis01 why would that be the end of it? Paying for it is great, but if I went to your house and did $5000 worth of damages and then paid you for it I don’t think you’d consider that as much of a non issue
@@nbp8467 well, for a start, it's a hotel, not my (or anyone else's) house, so that's not a great comparison. and look, if i had, idk, my cousin's kid staying w me, and he was an 18yo chess prodigy, and he lost a game and broke something out of anger-sure, i wouldn't be super impressed. but if he came to me the next day and said, "look, i'm really sorry, i acted like a dickhead, i'll cover the cost of whatever damage i dd, and i'll make sure to learn from this and control my anger better"... yeah, that prob would be the end of it, tbh
Hans is speculating it was St. Lewis Chess that filed the complaint. Levy is specualting that it was over the hotel incident and you are specualting that is the ONLY thing and the only complaint.
Now we see at 7:20 an outstanding move from Levy, coming in with the strategic trauma dump
[Levy Rozman] never doesn't succeed to [verb]
cum
Imagine Magnus or Hikaru damaged hotel property. Not a chance in hell there would be any consequences whatsoever. Would be sweptnunder the rug, and made into a fun meme in no time.
Hans Moke Niemann update V2: Hans has now built-in vibrations in his kit permanently.
haha beadz so funni omg
Yawn
Hans clears everybody rn. Only reason he is not world champ is because everyone is so scared of him
Bruh pls let it go, it's not funny anymore
@@AshishKP43 It will always be funny to the simple minded.
A much better question than why Hans isn't getting invited to events is why Arjun Erigaisi isn't getting invited. He's ranked 4th in the world!
I was fortunate enough to meet Gleb and as I was playong in the WJCC in Gujurat and I finished 120th and Have never even seen a gm so I asked to take a photo with him. He is so humble he said oh im not so strong are you sure you want to 😂. He is such a cool dude and very kind.
I think your coverage was very fair and I also think Hans appreciates it.
Hans is reading books about chess, not watching IM Rozman's recaps.
@@u.v.s.5583 I think you would be surprised how much Hans is on social media 😉 I meant it in the way that he appreciates his chess being shown to a big audience.
The only rule he violated was beating Magnus
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Didn't he admit to cheating online?
Twice! @@TheThreatenedSwan
Hans seems to have half-a-dozen ways to play and win. That's a clear sign of his strength. His particular way (recently) of playing against 2650+ opponents is perfect, but a bit messy-looking. I see that he has taken up an idea Bent Larsen used a lot: a passed pawn to deflect opponent defenders, and then switching to the attack on their king. He did it in a couple of those games. Larsen appeared extremely tactical and provocative, but he also had a subtle strategic sense, or he wouldn't have been a top player. His Meran and Queen's Indian games were always interesting. But, as for maintaining the tension until weaknesses appear, that's a Garri Kasparov specialty. He could walk on the edge of a knife without spilling a drop of blood. Then, when he sensed his opponent's blood -- KaBoom. He was all over them. I really liked the passed pawn game. That was fantastic, classic technique. It reminded me of the last Fischer-Petrosian game!!! He ought to maybe look at how Fischer played the Rossolimo against Spassky in 1992. Ideas from that may add to his handling of it.
It's probably the property manager for the venue or the insurance for the event that pushed for Hans' suspension
The guy is a supergenius. Last I checked, that is the definition of being a bit awkward and socially rough. This super hi-achieving kid blew a gasket after putting too much pressure on himself, Everyone should resign their USCF membership in protest of this stupid decission. If he had gotten in a car accident, would he be trashed? No, because that has nothing to do with the chess (which speaks for itself, btw). If he had stood up at a bopard, splashed all the pieces and started beating his opp with the Board, sure, that has to do with his chess performance.
What happens in his bedroom during a tournament is not the business of anyone who was not in the bedroom at the time.
It is the business of the people that arranged for the room...
For people In the future, the title is: “INSANE Hans Neimann Update” as of 27 mins ago from the posting of this video.
It still is and for basically the 100th time he lied about his product to the customers, in retail this is illegal right? Why is this allowed online?
@@Calamus056 I don’t want to get into that brother and I said that for the future if it has changed
I wonder who Hans pissed off (besides Magnus) to be treated to this kind of witch hunt. Suddenly a chess club claims moral responsibility over issues that are waaay outside their responsibilities just to get material to use against him.
Not to mention the SLCC doesn't have that great of a record with "keeping their house clean" aswell.
Gimme pin of shame (it may or may not be a kink)
Reminds me of Odell on the giants breaking the kicking net
Levy just standing upon the shoulders of little people
But the little people are trying to trample the supergiant Hans Niemann.
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Gorlaami! 😂
If you get it you have a great movie taste 🤓
I like going into that queen and pawn endgame vs Yu Yangyi. He knows the checks won't hold up with the white king exposed and the pawn in the center.
Please continue with Hans content
That's utterly ridiculous! He paid for the damages, and it had nothing to do with his chess!
We have the Crunchlabs Masters going on with MVL, Magnus and Alireza and Gotham is still doing videos about hans niemann and cheating...
It's the point that it reflects poorly on the chess community. The punishment is comparable to NFL/MLB players doing the same thing.
Hans Niemann is like Dillon Brooks of chess 😂
why is that so accurate, man is just the villain😂😂
Had a blast watching some of these live, coming to Ankara for it was a bit too much tho
Its like driving to a movie theater you damage the premises, and they gave you a parking ticket
it's more like you go to a movie theater to watch the new marvel blockbuster damage the premises, pay for the damages and then disney bans you from seeing their films.
@@crazymelon02 LMAO
So if Hans comes to your house, trashes the place, and pays you for the damages, you'd be fine with that?
Hi Levi
I have an insane game for "Guess the elo" how can I send it to you?😅
Say what you want, Hans plays the most exciting chess. No one at his level plays like him. Dubious lines for super gm’s to use, takes chances, rare draws.
Dude, I live just outside St. Louis and I’m so naive to the chess world, I didn’t even know there was some important chess club here. Thanks for this enlightenment.
Good on you for covering hanns. Hopefully he’ll grow out of his “bad boy” -eye roll- facade.
I vaguely remember a story about Dembèlè, who once played for Borussia Dormut and when he changed team, they found his old house all covered in shit.
Years later he was charged 10.000 euro but he refused to pay it. I don't know how It ended honestly.
He was sued and found guilty. Had to pay a 10.000 EUR penalty.
@@winstonwolfe2537 it was later lowered to 5000
Saint Louis Chess Club needs to be suspended for bringing chess into disrepute. Looks like a bunch of power-tripping egomaniacs there, looking at how they treat people like Niemann and Shahade.
In the given position from the last game after 5...0-0, Anish plays 6. b3, Wesley and Levon both play 6. d4 and Artemiev plays 6. cd followed by 7. b3. I would not call that unusual. Hans' response of ...Bf5 and ...Nbd7 is somewhat unusual though, with the stem game to this one (admittedly by transposition from a Nimzo-Larsen) being Artemiev-Tang 2021. In that game, instead of 11. Qc2, Vladislav continued 11. Re1 a5; 12. a3 Nc5; 13. Qc2, eventually winning in 55 moves. The big difference in these 2 games is that Artemiev got in a timely e4, allowing the latent dynamism of his position to be released.
Gotham is Niemann's number 1 fan
At this point i believe that someone wants stop Niemann... this is ridiculous
I think immediate suspension is a little much, but not absolutely unreasonable. The probation makes sense, and if he repeat offends, then yeah, one yeas suspension makes sense.
Why? Should Macy's suspend you if you damage a hotel room?
USCF gives US GMs a $45 membership. That's it.
Hikaru getting banned for a speeding ticket next
0:23 ABOUT A WEEEEK AGOO
F##K WITH US AND THEN WE TWEAKING HO
I think Hans was actually 17 at the time, not more than 18. How were all of us at that age?
St-Louis Chess Club sucks, old farts running that thing.
I listened to a podcast a few years back where this guy was interviewing Hans. I had never heard of him.
But from what he was saying it was clear that he was so driven to be the best that i just knew he was going to become a top chess legend.
You can't hold a man like this back. They can try. But it won't stop him.
you know he is a cheat right? i mean yeah he is driven and stuff but he is obivously cheating and it became a part of him
@@KolpacinoBSNobody has even a tiny bit of proof he has ever cheated in a over the table tournament, or even after the age of SIXTEEN.
If you think he's a cheater, show the chess world true, unquestionable proof. Don't parrot the opinion of manchildren who can't believe they lost to him so they threw tantrums.
Bro if he paid for the damage then why is there even a conversation about it? This shouldn't even pass as news let alone warrant a 1 year suspension on probation or not. Like what?? Is the chess world actually trying to portray itself as bad for every potential talent that might want to go in?
Chess drama is so funny, if you think about what else is going on in the world.
Russia invades Ukraine, a guy shoots Trump, Biden resigns, HMN DEMOLISHES A LAMP IN A HOTEL ROOM!!!!
What do you mean?
"You can't stop an angry Hans Niemann."
I thought the most polarizing figure in the chess world was Levy
They realized the man is a force against the world, and needed him on their side. The only country that actively shits on it's own Juniors by the way, a little strange how most of the top Junior players were caught cheating at one point or another but that's forgotten about. But Hans has it linger over his head forever.
There’s a very big difference between punching a wall while alone in your room and punching a wall in front of the opponent who just beat you, and there’s a full spectrum of possible context between those two. We don’t know the circumstances of the broken property in the room, but there’s very much a possibility that the full context could warrant a 1 year ban.
@@mapsgillnet6762 Yeah, that too. But yeah, even in less professional settings, having fits of rage after a loss can easily get you banned.