The moderator "Mark" was out of place at times but let's also be kind and gracious to him for allowing Wes to upload the entire debate on his channel 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Yeah, this moderator should be letting Wess speak more and he should be listening more being he is the Historian that has dedicated his life to Historical literature. Mark can learn something instead of continual hearing himself speak.
@@_azurejake I believe in helping to better people, and trying to speak well of them. But he was such an insufferable fool I could barely stand to listen whenever he interjected quite rudely
It’s important to approach history with both rigor and openness, especially when pursuing a Ph.D. I understand your commitment to facts and the scientific process, but I urge you to consider that not all history is documented in writing. For many African civilizations, oral traditions were the primary means of preserving history-an invaluable resource especially given the deliberate destruction of institutions like African universities and knowledge systems during invasions and colonialism. One major example is the Library of Alexandria, historically associated with Alexander the Great. This institution was one of the largest repositories of human knowledge, including significant contributions from African civilizations such as Kemet (ancient Egypt). Its destruction-whether by neglect, conquest, or a combination of factors-was a blow to African and global knowledge systems. Scholars such as George G. M. James in Stolen Legacy argue that much of the knowledge attributed to Greek philosophers was rooted in African teachings and traditions. Closer to modern times, the University of Timbuktu in Mali, part of the Sankore complex, was a center of advanced learning in the 14th and 15th centuries. Colonial invasions disrupted its operations, while the burning of the Royal Archives of Asante by the British in 1874 further erased African intellectual heritage. These deliberate acts left oral history as the only surviving medium for many communities. Oral traditions are also validated by scientific research. Take the Dogon tribe of Mali, whose oral history contains intricate knowledge of the Sirius star system. Researchers like Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen documented their advanced astronomical knowledge in the 1930s, including details about Sirius B-a star invisible to the naked eye until modern telescopes confirmed it. While interpretations remain debated, this highlights how oral traditions often preserve scientific truths overlooked by Western methodologies. Ignoring oral traditions risks marginalizing entire cultures and their histories. Historical evidence is not limited to written records; it includes oral accounts, archaeological findings, and cultural practices. A true historian seeks to piece together all available evidence to tell a more complete story of humanity. I hope your perspective can expand to include these realities, as history is enriched when we embrace diverse ways of knowing. I understand that you believe in what you believe in, but the problem with historians until this point in time, it has always been about believing your sciences as europeans and not looking at the world with an open mind. Be careful, not is not the time for one sidedness nore lies. That time has passed. I appreciate this middleman he played his role well. He spoke as a christian.
I hope Wes sees this comment. I have been an atheist that believed many of Billy's claims for my entire life. since the debate Ive been watching a lot of your content and im going to say something I have never said before. Wes has single handedly dismantled my entire world view on the Abrahamic doctrines. Not only do I realize how incorrect Ive been my entire life, I am beginning to believe the Christians may actually be right about everything. I cant believe Im saying that, but its true. Thanks Wes, for shattering my world view and setting me down on a solid foundation.
Praise God brother God is real and loves u so much he gave his only son to die for our sins and Salvation is free grace is free all you have to do is call on the Lord and he will show himself Glory to the king
He drew me up from the pit of destruction, out of the miry bog, and set my feet upon a rock, making my steps secure. Psalm 40:2, HalleluYah, Christ Jesus, the rock and firm foundation of salvation!
Dear Heavenly Father, I pray that this discussion removes the veil for so many unbelievers and especially Billy Carson. We thank you for Wes Huff and all the work his does. Amen.
To be clear Wes has his own bias and there are other scholarly opinions other than Christianity is correct regardless he definitely knows his stuff and he cleaned Billy's clock. I'm also in the field of religious studies and Billy Carsons crazy ideas had me cringing the entire video 😅
@@Authentik69 No but he's become more open to it in recent years, if Wes got on his radar he might actually be open to having him on, he does love ancient history
The moderator talks a lot of nothing. Brother Wes was so patient. Thank God for your wisdom brother. May He continue to use you for His kingdom and His glory
This interview reminded me of the battle between Elijah and the Baal prophets. Billy was so confident that his gods were superior, and then Wes reached back to his bookshelf, and then God obliterated the opposition to His Word. BOOM! God is using you mightily, Wes. Not only did this snatch many confused Christians from the talons of deception, but it also brought many unbelievers to Jesus. It also reignited the fire in many and gave Christians tools to battle the falshoods that are being used to silence them. EPIC.
That was the worst moderator for a debate I have ever encountered. Wow. He sounds like a stoned 15 year old contemplating religion for the first time in his life. Totally unprofessional.
Exactly, I’m surprised he’s even gotten to the level where Wes would even join in on his show, dude seems like a complete air head and completely not self aware. I’m surprised Wes didn’t tell him to just shut up and listen to the adults.
Billy: "This isn't true because of these sources." Wes: "Those souces bave been proven to be fraudulent." Billy: "Why are you talking about those sources?!? There's so much more to talk about!"
Wes Huff earned his Expert analyst in this field of study. Grateful to him for sharing his knowledge....this is priceless information he is offering to us for free. ❤
Wow….. didn’t even think about that very GREAT POINT!!!! I knew who Billy was and was totally kinda thinking that type of way…. Anyhow, how TF was I exposed to Billy but Never Wes????
I didn't know Wes at all, and had only learned of Billy from the Terrence Howard fallout on JRE. I think I've seen Billy around as a talking head here and there. I watched Terry and Billy do a thing together, I think it must have been on Billy's "podcast" but the two of them unchecked was sheer absurdity. They both just talked about how great they are. I don't understand how anyone can be fooled by Billy. He might as well have 'conman' written on his forehead. I wonder if Billy had any idea who he was going to be speaking to. If he had done even the most elementary amount of research, he should have run away as far as he could. As soon as the conversation started, Wes asked "What are you referring to when you say Sinai Bible?" I could already see where this was going. Especially when Billy said "...I assume it's Mt. Sinai....it's on Amazon." Wes says [paraphrasing] "So, it's called Codex Sianiticus, I have a manuscript right here. I'm a linguist and have studied it. I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing" Billy just nods his head up and down- literally speechless.
Thank you dear moderator for making this debate possible. I pray you continue on your Journey and understanding the beauty and love and wisdom of God in both the Old Testament and New Testament! God bless and many blessings to you, your wife and your family❤ Don’t let these unfortunate developments get you down, many of us are in praying for you and excited to see more!
I've been following Carson and his channel for years. Just watched this and unsubscribed and subscribed to Wes Huff. Gonna get my Bible out and study it for the first time in years. I was a Christian with many questions and not entirely believing. Watching Wes made me realise I've been lied to and I'm returning to Christianity and the Lord. Thank you Mr Carson for helping me to go home.
The gnostics follow the later writings of people who never even met Jesus. 2nd century esoteric Coptic writings. We have the writings from the first century from people who actually knew him! Gnostics- always “learning” and never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
I'm with you. May God grant Mark an overwhelming level of understanding as there is much lack in his conceptualization of God and text outlined in both the old and new testament.
Yowzers!!!!!! That was unequivocally the politest, most respectful utter intellectual destruction of a debate opponent I have ever seen. Well done Wes. All glory to the Lord
Lol, Seriously now! What a TRUE GENTLEMAN Wes is.! I’m glad at least I found out about Wes! Found out the truth about Billy. He always rubbed me the wrong way !
@@robpregon1629 okay, about his Christian views, Billy is definitely wrong. *_BUT_* the things he says and proves about these ancient civilizations, is right. When he talks about the ancient Egyptians and stuff, Wes just shuts it down and says, “no physical evidence.” Like I know, about his Christianity views and demons and angels, Billy is wrong. But about the ancient civilizations, I do think he’s onto something. He just needs to stay out of religion lol 😅
I'm here. The saddest part is that Wesley Huff was so respectful, and had not intention at all to humiliate Billy. Wes was considerate and looking for opportunity to improve Billy on his methods of researching and verifying the information he gathers around the world. But as always, some people just harbor greatest darkness in their souls. May God continue to bless, protect and increase Wesley Huff.
So true and well said. I admire Wes so much. He comes off as a very understanding and sincere individual who truly wants to educate and spread knowledge and truth with evidence and resources to back up claims. Besides Billy who keeps saying and always says in my opinion of my hypothesis. Billy is very rude and deflects with we have so much more to go over whenever Wes is clearly trying to educate him and teach. Billy needs to be humble and open to constructive criticism.
If he didn't had the intentions to humiliate him then he would never post this video. Wich concludes he most definitely wanted to humiliate him and expose him as a person who misquoted or lied about the text
Why invite two guys on a podcast to debate and then painfully interrupt with 10 minute tangents that neither your own guests or your audience has any interest in?
Why ask questions then when you get an answer change the topic and not even dive deeper into what you asked for clarity on .. billy asked all these questions, let the guy interrupt then he doesnt even stay on topic he brings up fake text to compare it to the bible we know and accept.. which tells us he doesnt even care.. then he says in other words, if God is real and knows all, slaves wouldnt exist.. so basically if God is real then there would be no evil.. which ignores free will and says Billy didnt read the bible to understand how free will is in context.. beyond that this says his idea of creator is no evil or no negative .. Once God gave humans free will, which is as simple as a test to obey.. thats God giving room for evil. Otherwise what? Kill us? No instead allow us to REPRODUCE. But they dont even touch on that lets me know they dont read the bible nor care about that at all. They read counter points, study then. And make it a thing they can revolve a show around. Show being to attract you to their own presence .. they all feel the need to say how great they are and what they accomplished and how the person with the opposing idea is bad and a bad person . Just hearsay and down talking.
In any other context, the moderator would be slightly funny with how much of a hippy he was. However, this was neither the time nor the place for humor, so he's just annoying.
The two guests were good ( one was Credible) …the host though…Good Lord he was terrible….. talking way too much and struggling to make coherent statements…. Let the guests speak Bro….. Your interjections took away from the conversation
I’ve always been a big fan of Wes since I saw him speak at an event. He’s always very calm and factual. Please pray for the mediator as well as Billy . Pray for Wes- This is a true test in loving those who persecute us. Continue to stay humble and stay prayerful. 🙏❤️
@@raynalindsey3857 I found myself getting impatient and quite annoyed with the host, but later I realized I'd do better to pray for him - that his faith would become far more grounded in reality.
the more i hear billy, the more i dislike him. pray for billy. as far as Wes, man does this kid have an ego. i can smell it from here: heavens gate. dont be surprised when billy has access to heaven but Wes doesnt. you know the truth: he will say, 'I dont know you.' so be careful, humans.
Wes, I scrambled to look you up on Patreon. Your wisdom is priceless. Our culture in the West, Needs this type of Spiritual Rennasaince , God Bless you sir
That was not a debate, not that Billy knew of it. Wes huff was Billy's best friend, they live in the same colony, Billy invited him to his marriage and everything. Wes huff is a snake who set Billy up. The liars are always louder than the wronged. This is why Billy didn't speak in this so called "debate" he only listened respectfully. Doing a man wrong
I resonate heavily with Wes but that doesn’t make Billy wrong, I’m not going to give Wes the W so easily If you immediately think “Wes trounced Billy” you’re conditioned from the misguided materialisms of the enlightenment and you’ve become an unaware postmodernist, with the reflexive need to debunk, like the intellectual atheists do Both these speakers are completely right but in seemingly different, and even polar ways Billy is broadly correct on metaphysics Whereas Wes is broadly correct on history You don’t have to understand the Dao to follow Christ, but you MUST follow Christ if you are to understand the Dao 🙏
Wes hasn't proved his point any more than Billy has-neither one of them was around during biblical times, so the idea that Wes "cooked" Billy is absolutely ridiculous. What’s really wild is seeing folks act like Wes is some divine spokesperson when it’s painfully obvious there’s malice in his heart. And let’s not ignore these so-called "followers of Christ" running around dripping with hate. If their goal is to lead anyone to Christ, they might want to rethink their strategy because this ain’t it. Honestly, these people are nothing more than white supremacists hiding behind religion to give themselves a fake moral high ground. If their intentions were truly pure, they wouldn’t be pulling the nonsense they’re pulling.
@@jacksonelmore6227did you actually watch the video all of the man's biblical sources was debunked as fraudulent or complete jokes how can I call truth something that is based on a lie
Each person must decide if the evidence presented is accurate or not. Everyone is free to believe as they choose. This was nothing more than a bible thumping, and THAT is why so many have finally awakened and stepped away from organized religion.
@@Butterflymagic2024you explained it perfectly, everybody must decide based off the evidence given. Thank god that Wes was able to disprove majority of the crazy beliefs Billy had with actual, usable, evidence. Hopefully we’re both watching the same video cause nowhere do I see “Bible thumping”, only disproving with proof. I hope Billy one day realizes throwing claim after claim because you want to doesn’t amount to anything. And I hope you watch this again someday but with a much more open mind.
@@Butterflymagic2024 I mean, if you have any evidence that disproves any of Wes’ points I’m all ears b/c, far as I can see, your guy Billy failed to present any. I don’t this Wes was bible thumping, I think he was standing on business. I think he came with the purpose of refuting the bs Billy’s been allowed to spew on major platforms. You can’t lie about my religion and then characterize me as bible thumping when I merely correct the lies you told🤷🏾♂️
Hinduism was the first religion . So now everything has to follow what these 2 say because it’s the truth? lol yet they don’t even know how the pyramids where build but they know the TRUTH which is Christian’s lol hahahahhahah
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria. And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history. This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history. Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
He sounds like a naive, simpleton. I hate people with that shaky, earnest voice. It's like they're pleading not to be called out. Always wanna be allowed to weasel.
From now on I will keep listening to Wes Huff. This guy is well informed, inteligent, sharp, on point, patient and full of grace. He is such a gentle man in this video. He has my respect 🙏🙏🙏
And yet the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. Billy is 100% correct, the outcome of reading and internalizing the Bible as a whole always ends in tremendous human suffering. Time and time again. It is by design a collection of books programming for division and violence. It also has nothing to do with what Christ the Nazarene actually taught, he was a Gnostic and as it so happens the only surviving Gnostic community not exterminated by the Church or time are the Nazarenes (Nasuraiya) located in southern Iraq
I'm stuck at 14:04, and already feel bad for those two seated at the desk together. I just learned of the existence of Billy Carson yesterday evening, while visiting with two brothers inlaw who are ministers, lol.
What I love about the bible is that it describes people like Billy Carson perfectly: 2 Timothy 3:7 "...always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth."
"The confidence might not be backed by the reality of the evidence". A brilliant way of wording what we all think about Billy's "concept", while keeping it respectful.
@@JDaKeehBrudda why are you triggered, people can read books and watch RUclips whaaaaat and acting like there ain’t knowledge to be gained on places like RUclips is pure mental gymnastics. However it is up to you like with books to determine what is rubbish and accurate as if there’s no books full of absolute nonsense. 🤣
@@JDaKeeh These aren't fake comments. Billy is a dipshit, albeit a rich one. This video has been seen over 700k times on this small channel, and countless more views on other channels - not even including reaction videos and opinion pieces. Likely tens of thousands of people learned of one of the three people in this video by virtue of watching this video. The list of charlatans that have written widely read books is infinite. Telling someone that in your humble opinion they're stupid is easy enough without resorting to the "read a book once in a while" trope. Knowledge gained depends on the credibility of the source, not the credibility of the medium from which it was delivered. This is a long, intricate way of me telling you that I think you're a dumbass. =)
Wes is a beautiful example of what meekness, humility, compassion, mercy and grace look like. What a gentle soul and a man full of wisdom after Gods heart! Wes knows how to bring a hardened heart to Christ with a soft nudge in how he handled this debate. 🙏🏼
As a Christian that has not been the most devoted in my faith, this video has given me a renewed thirst for biblical knowledge and understanding. Thank you, Wes.
I encourage you to dive deep! But as a warning, the deeper you go, the stronger the objections get and it becomes harder to find the answers. But the answers are out there!
Wow, that started out awesome and just when we were getting into the good stuff, Mark went off on a tangent and then Billy couldn’t accept what Wes was saying. Wes, you sir are an amazing person for enduring this. You held your compassion when the train was running off the tracks. Great message at the end and thank you for staying till the end. Nobody would have faulted you if you just checked out and disconnected. Love listening to you speak Wes and cannot wait to watch you on the Rogan show. Thank you sir, and bless you!
Not even close. Wes sounds like every biblical scholar. The Egyptian creation story is enough to cancel his argument but it’s not acceptable in their methodology
@@dillonroyalfeathayes8976truth sound the same from different people! Thats how we know the gospel of Jesus is true! If you cant believe that after this debate then i pray for you
@ I hear you on that, but Billy didn't go there, he went away from Egypt and resorted to using Annunaki Pseudo rhetoric Wich cause him be on the defense for the rest of the debate
Part of the problem for people like Billy is pride and wanting to be right instead of finding what’s actually true. He likes his ear tickled and when someone takes the tickler he gets angry.
The people say that billy was right, is right in reality but in God the beholder the physical world doesn't exist but for us thus why he built it, God doesn't care if you dance around with feelings and emotions, his purpose is much greater than our ideas opinions
His patience is unmatched. That moderator was awful, but I do respect him for allowing this debate to happen, and for realizing he is terrible when it comes to interruptions.
same here, he won the debate, AND will get so much more views since the mass followed billy carslon to here.( btw i am not a carlson fan, im a curious seeker everywhere lurking for more wisdom) my u tube shoot me this, and mheee. its the second time my suggestion box is making a good suggestion lol
I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour a week ago today, and all of this unfolded right around the same time. I'm so glad that this is happening this early on in my faith journey, and finding Wes this early is helping me so much with the questions and doubts that I have.
Awesome! Praise God. I’d also recommend Trinity Radio as a listen/watch. They deal with a lot of apologetics type issues, taking on doubts and questions. And they’re a fun listen. And a lot of Scripture
What I appreciate about the moderator is his vulnerability and his willingness to share his perspective from his personal relationship with Jesus. God Bless!
Hey Wes, I’ve been a christian most of my life. But becoming a Navy Sailor for a couple of years had slipped me away from God.. due to the fact I’m surrounded by other ideals from my brothers in the service. The clip on TikTok lead me to this video which lead me to a deeper understanding of truth. Wes, God lead me closer to Him again by using you as a vessel. Thank you.
@ I don’t drink. And it’s not the drinks it’s who you surround yourself with day to day. Yes I’m still active duty but after this video I went to church for the first time in a long time. Slow but sure progress.
You are strong in the word. I am not. I call myself a follower of Christ, yet I barely read the Bible. You have just encouraged me to start growing again spiritually after being "dormant" for so long. I'm wanting to be a true follower of Christ and wanting to learn how to truly do so. I think I have just been getting discouraged lately as time goes on as it seems the world keeps getting darker and changing in a direction that doesn't seem right, I've just been trying to avoid it all. I'm sure some of you feel this too. Thank you. I pray that others truly find Christ as well and become hungry for the word just as I have watching this so that we may lead others to Him once we grow and get equipped with His word. May the Lord continue to bless you and guide you sir.
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria. And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history. This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history. Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
@@blocboi407he’s saying he’s going to sue his “friend” for a million dollars and build himself a big new house with the money he gets. He also threatened the man not to expose some of his past and this video and has accused him of this conversation being a set up to humiliate him.
@@maelemothiba1423 what are you going on about? Much of the Bible was actually written in Africa. And what does this have to do with the comment you are responding to?
Currently watching for the 2nd time now. And I pray that God gives me more wisdom and understanding 🙏🏽 as everyone out there I’m praying for you guys in these last wicked days. I live in LA so I see it everyday. The world is grown cold. May God lead us all through the narrow path. ❤❤
Mark wasn’t the best moderator but I don’t think ANYONE else would’ve been able to get Billy to do this conversation so I appreciate Mark putting this together so so much
Honestly when Billy around like 40 minutes in or so went on trying to talk about like men abusing women in an debate about ancient times was absurd. I mean honestly everybody knows that is a fact. Doesn't dismiss what Wes said too. Sad part was. I just started watching Billy and I thought he was pretty interesting but honestly he couldn't cite anything... Like it was baddddd... So how can you moderate something with absolute zero clue what they truly are saying versus somebody who spent their life dedicated their life to even trying to comprehend their own beliefs and then went ahead so deep into it obtained a PhD. I Mean. It's just wild to see that gap.... Like that in logic.
@@Obiwannadoobie777That annoyed me it kind of shows his lack of understanding of history not that I am some guru but god this women where nothing but slaves throughout history is boring, absurd and just insulting. Even you saying it is a fact is like what bro? Because it’s not true sorry too many different cultures and practices throughout history. Look at Sparta who held their women in a high regard so much so they valued their women way higher than the men of Athens for example or how about this look at todays western society where women are as free as the men then you look at most Muslim societies where women are absolutely not free. So you can see how different people and cultures have different practices the past is no exception my guy come on.
Same, made me start to question a lot. In that I went through a lot of studying different belief systems, debates, etc. Interesting and fascinating rabbit holes. But the answers to my questions and doubts (from various sources) undoubtedly led back to Christ. ❤
I just wanted to say thank you Wes. So many people were being led astray by Billy. After this debate so many people are going back to Jesus and being saved! Thank you a million times! God bless you!
Wes Huff just converted half of Billy Carson's subscribers in that debate !! I followed Billy for over a decade and now I'm a follower of Jesus because he was crucified and Jesus is the son of God who rose from the dead !!
You people are horridly blind. He time after time showed Wes clear evidence then Wes says well just have faith in this blah blah good grief. Billy throws evidence straight into his face yet yall are so brainwashed Christ sake
1:06:00 is exactly spot on. Wes is just wasting time going on and on about asking for evidence when Billy literally referred to two tribes that undeniable are facts and backed by numerous scholars that prove what Billy says about those tribes are the truth and actually happened. This further disproves Wes and the fake religion that’s mind control under the name of Christianity. Even the Bible condones slavery and Billy even recited a verse saying so from the very Bible all yall praise blindly. Yet yall just find another reason to smeer or change the definition of what’s said. Yall wack
Amazing to see so many comments. I watched this through, remembering the words of my late father: "it's better to win a friend than win an argument". Faith worketh by love. Our love for the lost will open their hearts into faith to believe the Good News.
This was absolutely the most calm, polite, intellectual tear down I have ever seen. No yelling, no rude facial expressions, no interruptions, no wondering or guessing, just complete destruction!!!😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Great Job!❤
Wes,is really knowledgeable and I count it a privilege to listen to him. The depth of knowledge is great. It is at this level one who claims to be on top of his craft ought to be. When asked what method is used to determine what is authentic or fabricated there should be a reference with names etc . This debate was so needed as the LORD JESUS CHRIST .is pulling things together as he prepared for his second coming. GOD' speaks through the prophet Haggia in 2nd chapter concerning Zeruabbabel, governor of Judah whom he had chosen as his signet. I see Wes as such.
@@Malinda-zk5bq there was plenty of wondering and guessing. Isn't Wes discussing biblical stories as if they are true absent any reliable eyewitness testimony or sufficient evidence?
@@elizabethsmith-rs3gh your obviously only saying that because It's something you agreed with before you even heard Wes say it. Easy to point out when the overall Bible community has labeled certain documents as fraudulent. However, you then can't ignore when that same Bible community points to fraudulent material that made it into the Bible. That same Bible community points out historical misprints and geographical inaccuracies. Not to mention those same scholars within that same Bible community find zero evidence of any of the supernatural claims made in the Bible. I think it's ignorant but at least Billy Carson sticks to the same standards. He tends to believe a text has merit if it had ever been believed throughout history. He thinks none are 100% truth but all contain a hint expressed the best way the writer could put into words. That's a bad standard but it's more honest than Wes changing the standard depending on which ancient group wrote the text.
I heard about this debate. Went to your channel. Subscribed. Stopped the video to write this comment. You addressing both the moderator and Carson, well done. God is good.
Wes displayed so much patience, grace, and humility during this debate. He was polite, composed, and respectful to Billy and Mark in ways that would have tempted me to respond in a snarky and disrespectful manner. Well done. What an excellent example of confidence through knowledge and real faith
Arguing about whether Jesus was or wasn't crucified is the equivalent of arguing if Harry Potter did or didn't have a thunderbolt scar. Either way its a made up story 🤡
Thank you Billy Carson for helping me find an AMAZING and polite scholar of the scriptures. This debate was an absolute blessing for me and many others.
Typical scamming of a Christian. This is exactly what Christians love to say. You guys have all been possess until God , Jesus the lord came to save you. Like nah bruh. You have been a Christian who probably hands out pamphlets as a side hustle to bring people to your church.
What the devil meant for evil, God turned to good! Billy may be leading many down the broad path, but God is using his renown to bring many across to the narrow!
Please before you get too excited , Remember if you don't know any better Wes may seem smart and Knowledgable , but to someone well above his Knowledge you will rip holes through him , he will be more embarressed than Billy was during this Debate. The story of Jesus is total B.S It's all made up
@ Jesus doesn’t debate. His words and actions including His resurrection is enough to hold everyone accountable towards the truth. The Bible is Gods word. You can deny the Bible and the Gospels but Christ has changed my life. He came to give life! I don’t speak because of any other reason besides my own experience and the reliability that I have found in Jesus Christ.
Thank you Wes. That was super insightful and encouraging. Thanks Brian for bringing the questions that the culture is struggling with, I pray you continue to wrestle and that God fully reveals himself to you, I see the good you are striving for. Thanks Mark for facilitating the conversation and coming from an honest place of seeking and wrestling. Your genuine struggle can be a great help other believers fighting for their faith.
It's because Social Media is flooded with laypeople and disinfo agents discussing the Bible. When we allow Scholars and Linguists who are experts in understanding the Bible and Ancient history, to speak and have a stronger analytical voice for us to consider, then we have a more accurate basis to form an opinion on. Actual evidence. People like Cliffe Knechtle, Wesley Huff, the late Michael Heiser, Sam Shamoun, and many more need to have more prominent voices. Unfortunately the TikTok culture is lapping up the Billy Carsons, the Paul Wallis', the Ancient Alien touters along with the people promoting Gnosticism.
As annoying as it was to listen to the moderator ramble, I think he better represents the “normal” person that we Christians would interact with on a day to day basis. Speaking from experience, most people I evangelize to sound more like the moderator than they do Billy. It’s clear he had thought about the questions he asked, but it’s also clear he thought he had the answers before he even asked Wes to answer them. Wes is again a great example of what we should strive to do in these sorts of honest conversations with those who struggle with these sorts of questions. He let him express his thoughts and opinions without shutting him down, and he didn’t become aggravated with him for not listening. That’s how God is with us, and as soon as we realize that, it helps us to evangelize better. Gotta commend Wes again here, and thank him for the example he showed for us “neighborhood apologists” in this debate. Praise Jesus
I do not think this was that bad for Billy. Obviously he lost most points. But there a few things the other guy was weak on, like saying god isn’t male. I mean Jesus was a guy lol. So at least 1/3 of the trinity is male. God the father is also male. But if he would have just let this go and ignored it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as big lol.
Wes showed tremendous patience with both Billy and the moderator. I've been confused and struggling with my experiences and faith and this was a fantastic example of Christian patience and the love of Christ being lived out. Thank you Brother Wesley
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria. And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history. This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history. Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
@@maelemothiba1423 as an African, I'd say you haven't followed the premise of the debate critically. Also, what you said about Christianity is highly inaccurate.
@@maelemothiba1423 as an African, I'd say you haven't followed the premise of the debate critically. Also, what you said about Christianity is highly inaccurate.
i just recently came back to the Christian faith I was raised with after many years away. I bought my first bible yesterday and discovered Wes today. I’m so grateful! I will certainly learn a lot on this channel
Bro, there's another RUclipsr called The Metatron who's a historian who showcased accounts how the Roman Empire actually chronicled interactions with and precautions used for Jesus leading up to the crucifixion. It's like Wes says, the more you study it and question it, the more truth you find
Happy you’re back ❤ I was a none believer 6 months ago but I bought my Bible from Amazon for $5 and man did it change my life ! I’m a proud Christian today! And I just found Wess! Thank God !
Midway, I was literally saying out loud “Dude, let him finish! He is trying to explain and you keep interrupting with idiotic arguments” then I came to the comments because I also said out loud “Sorry Lord I need to be more patient like Wes”. I am glad I wasn’t the only one 😅. Wes, you are so patient and kind brother. God bless you sir. I absolutely love the way you handled it. I subscribed, followed and will be watching the rest of your content. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
That was so frustrating. Honestly when you don’t even want to listen to a complete answer, it really indicates to me that you aren’t actually looking for understanding or truth, but rather for an excuse to justify throwing out something you don’t like
The biggest sources Wes has is artifacts written by COLONIZERS. This had to happen because all it's doing is showing that Caucasians think going to school can prove "God" LMFAO! Where has Jesus been during slavery for any & all indigenous people? This whole conversation actually benefits Billy Carson! LMFAO! Wes is beyond borderline crazy!
Wes, on the off chance you get to read this. You're doing such a valuable service in how you engage with your debates. I really admire the way you treat everyone not like you're after a "gotcha", but engaging in good faith, on subject, and with kindness. I sincerely hope you get the recognition you deserve. Regardless what Billy Carson decides to do, you couldn't of been more genuine. I'll be praying more people can see your work, if only to realize Christianity isn't what they remember as children. Lies may have speed, but the truth has endurance my friend!
Great job. I hope people watching get the understanding that a text or source being doesn’t equate accuracy. Lot of great information provided. Watched for the first hour-plus until Mark started going off the rails. There were so many times you could have piped in and said, “Where does the text make that claim?” Or “That’s not how historiography works.” Thanks for stepping up and doing this debate and posting it.
I have to give a shoutout to Billy Carson for introducing me to Wes Huff!!! 😂 just joking! but I’m a Christian and so glad to learn from you. God Bless You!
😂 same here. I didn’t know Wes until this debate and I have watched other videos too. That is the way God works, I had to listen to the painful opponents to find Wes’ sound teachings 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Came here to say this, you can see the excitement one Wes face that he has a well thought out logical explanation but he keeps getting interrupted with this low tier first order garbage. Let the man explain it to you, try to understand that he may have a logical explanation. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Omg thank you. I’m not the crazy one. The moderated new Billy was in over his head. He’s trying to save face for him. The smirk that Wes has on his face this whole debate is Priceless. Wes makes total sense to me. I have common sense. That’s all you need to understand Wes. God job Wes. God bless you.🫡
Wow Wes. You are a true class act. You are so patient, respectful, and professional. I cannot believe Billy’s response to all of this. He claimed his research is second to none so I would have thought he would welcome this discussion with you. You’ve gained so many new fans from all of this including myself.
Lol, class act. Wes is a highly trained apologetic. He has spent a great deal of his most influential life being brainwashed by other "scolars" to go after people who are a threat to the "Christian" narrative. He went after low hanging fruit and is a pawn in a calculated attack. He is an agent of evil powers. If he truly was anything of class and could truly prove the existence of Jesus or his apostles then he would debate a real scholar. The simple fact that he has turned down Jason's invitation and Moreno is ignoring him proves Wes is no different than Billy. He's a sad weak brainwashed man.
I Was an ex-Muslim who understood the Islamic framework from an infant as my dad was a cleric until I encountered Yeshua a few years ago and went to understudy history, philosophy, and sacred theology. To be sharing some of the insights I have learned on my channel. It will be nice having you around. Shalom, Shalom family.
I feel the exact same way. I've preached Billy's teachings to my wife and children I feel like a real piece of sh*t. I've been watching Wes videos since this debate I've learned a lot more.
Amen! When I re dedicated my life to Christ I was always listening to a platform he was on when I tell you the Lord gave me an agitation to watching him I quit all together. I would eventually tell people to stop believing everything he says just because he sounds smart. So Glad Wes has done his due diligence and respectfully represents God in a historically accurate and with deep rooted faith
The moderator "Mark" was out of place at times but let's also be kind and gracious to him for allowing Wes to upload the entire debate on his channel 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Yeah, this moderator should be letting Wess speak more and he should be listening more being he is the Historian that has dedicated his life to Historical literature. Mark can learn something instead of continual hearing himself speak.
He is the worst
He tried to get it removed.
@@_azurejake I believe in helping to better people, and trying to speak well of them. But he was such an insufferable fool I could barely stand to listen whenever he interjected quite rudely
It’s important to approach history with both rigor and openness, especially when pursuing a Ph.D. I understand your commitment to facts and the scientific process, but I urge you to consider that not all history is documented in writing. For many African civilizations, oral traditions were the primary means of preserving history-an invaluable resource especially given the deliberate destruction of institutions like African universities and knowledge systems during invasions and colonialism.
One major example is the Library of Alexandria, historically associated with Alexander the Great. This institution was one of the largest repositories of human knowledge, including significant contributions from African civilizations such as Kemet (ancient Egypt). Its destruction-whether by neglect, conquest, or a combination of factors-was a blow to African and global knowledge systems. Scholars such as George G. M. James in Stolen Legacy argue that much of the knowledge attributed to Greek philosophers was rooted in African teachings and traditions.
Closer to modern times, the University of Timbuktu in Mali, part of the Sankore complex, was a center of advanced learning in the 14th and 15th centuries. Colonial invasions disrupted its operations, while the burning of the Royal Archives of Asante by the British in 1874 further erased African intellectual heritage. These deliberate acts left oral history as the only surviving medium for many communities.
Oral traditions are also validated by scientific research. Take the Dogon tribe of Mali, whose oral history contains intricate knowledge of the Sirius star system. Researchers like Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen documented their advanced astronomical knowledge in the 1930s, including details about Sirius B-a star invisible to the naked eye until modern telescopes confirmed it. While interpretations remain debated, this highlights how oral traditions often preserve scientific truths overlooked by Western methodologies.
Ignoring oral traditions risks marginalizing entire cultures and their histories. Historical evidence is not limited to written records; it includes oral accounts, archaeological findings, and cultural practices. A true historian seeks to piece together all available evidence to tell a more complete story of humanity. I hope your perspective can expand to include these realities, as history is enriched when we embrace diverse ways of knowing.
I understand that you believe in what you believe in, but the problem with historians until this point in time, it has always been about believing your sciences as europeans and not looking at the world with an open mind. Be careful, not is not the time for one sidedness nore lies. That time has passed.
I appreciate this middleman he played his role well. He spoke as a christian.
I hope Wes sees this comment. I have been an atheist that believed many of Billy's claims for my entire life. since the debate Ive been watching a lot of your content and im going to say something I have never said before. Wes has single handedly dismantled my entire world view on the Abrahamic doctrines. Not only do I realize how incorrect Ive been my entire life, I am beginning to believe the Christians may actually be right about everything. I cant believe Im saying that, but its true. Thanks Wes, for shattering my world view and setting me down on a solid foundation.
Wonderful news! Hallelujah Amen!
Praise YAHUAH seek and you will find there is TRUTH out there. Teshuva and Shema. 🌾🌾🌾
Praise God brother God is real and loves u so much he gave his only son to die for our sins and Salvation is free grace is free all you have to do is call on the Lord and he will show himself Glory to the king
He drew me up from the pit of destruction, out of the miry bog, and set my feet upon a rock, making my steps secure. Psalm 40:2, HalleluYah, Christ Jesus, the rock and firm foundation of salvation!
God saved me through RUclips too, man. God bless!
Everyone is a scholar until a real scholar walks into the room.
This is a master class.
Master class 😂
yet cant give simple answers. lmao
Look up Dr Ammon Hillman he is a classical greek scholar and blows these amateurs out of the water
Yes@@kazoko6628
@@kool4209 examples?
Use me as the "this moderator was insufferable on a level we can't begin to comprehend" button
dude was just rambling
Christians should have grace and patience.
As long as we remember if it weren’t for this specific moderator we wouldn’t have this specific debate.
I felt like he was more of a commentator than a moderator.
We must show grace to Mark. If it weren't for him, this debate would not exist. People make mistakes, no one is perfect.
Dear Heavenly Father, I pray that this discussion removes the veil for so many unbelievers and especially Billy Carson. We thank you for Wes Huff and all the work his does. Amen.
Nah didn’t work maybe next time 😂
Amen.
Thank you Billy Carson for introducing me to Wes Huff!👌
BIG FACTS!!! THANK YOU
ahhahahah
Same!
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
To be clear Wes has his own bias and there are other scholarly opinions other than Christianity is correct regardless he definitely knows his stuff and he cleaned Billy's clock. I'm also in the field of religious studies and Billy Carsons crazy ideas had me cringing the entire video 😅
Let's get Wes on Joe Rogan please!
Edit: Let's goooooo. Joe Rogan and Wes Huff has happened. All the glory to Christ
That would be an incredible podcast
Most definitely
Rogan isn’t religious or Christian
@@Authentik69 No but he's become more open to it in recent years, if Wes got on his radar he might actually be open to having him on, he does love ancient history
@@Authentik69 Invalid point. He had Billy Carson on and I think Joe, which he has stated himself, is about talking to everyone
Proverbs 18:17
"The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him."
Scripture is so amazing. For every situation there is a saying. It seems no one know humanity better than the Bible and of course right?
The best scripture for this exact scenario. Applause
Spot on
Sorry this guy never seemed right
@@stevenundzid4765I get you. But for a person with a light awareness of the Bible, Billy sounds very persuasive. Just like The Da Vinci Code.
I was nearly lost because of Billy's philosophy now I certainly going back to Christ
The mans gonna burn if he doesnt repent of his lies
It shouldn't take Wes huff for u to do that.
Study for yourself. yourself.Seek & ye shall find.
Do your own due diligence.
Quit lying.... Billy never pulled you away from Christ...
I prayed two years ago someone would expose Billy Carson. Jesus sent Wesley Huff to do the job. His timing is perfect.
@@arrowofGod86 really? people are starving in this world and you're praying for that nonsense? yeesh
@@TheBigChiefton exactly 💯.. I am sure Jesus has other things that are far more important than this debate
AMEN‼️
@@TheBigChiefton Leading people to hell is worse than being underfed
@@TheBigChieftonuhm. I don’t know if you know the concept of a prayer. You aren’t entitled to only one like some kind of wish. 😂
The only thing that’s even more admirable than Wes’ knowledge and accuracy is his uncharted capacity to show patience and meekness to these two.
The moderator talks a lot of nothing. Brother Wes was so patient. Thank God for your wisdom brother. May He continue to use you for His kingdom and His glory
Amen 🙏🏼
Exactly
If I were referencing C.S. Lewis, Narnia would not be my first point of reference, albeit, classics.
It’s our duty to listen and help everyone even Mark the moderator who seems to be thirsty for the truth ❤
His filibustering was probably welcomed by Carson.
This interview reminded me of the battle between Elijah and the Baal prophets. Billy was so confident that his gods were superior, and then Wes reached back to his bookshelf, and then God obliterated the opposition to His Word. BOOM! God is using you mightily, Wes. Not only did this snatch many confused Christians from the talons of deception, but it also brought many unbelievers to Jesus. It also reignited the fire in many and gave Christians tools to battle the falshoods that are being used to silence them. EPIC.
🙏🔥🔥❤
That was the worst moderator for a debate I have ever encountered. Wow. He sounds like a stoned 15 year old contemplating religion for the first time in his life. Totally unprofessional.
Seriously
Yes, I just kept saying Lord have mercy, shut up .. close your mouth and listen. It's so obnoxious
😂😂😂😂the “high guy” that thinks he’s smarter after smoking?
Exactly, I’m surprised he’s even gotten to the level where Wes would even join in on his show, dude seems like a complete air head and completely not self aware. I’m surprised Wes didn’t tell him to just shut up and listen to the adults.
Heard he just became a Christian
A scholar, a cult leader, and a surfer walk into a bar
Stop 😂 came into comments Love your humor 🙌
@@Faithfulservant123glad you appreciated it 😂I didn’t want to be too mean to the moderator, and this seemed to me to be an accurate characterization 😂
Weswes the cult leader
🗣🗣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 OMG MY SIDEEEE 😫😫😫
@dopeholedeon1010 ...most of the information billy is teaching everyone are from cults... 👀
Wes is the epitome of "be gentle as doves but wise as serpents."
Yes, he was. I learned from this
👌
Wes definitely was patient
Amen
Yess he is!
Billy: "This isn't true because of these sources."
Wes: "Those souces bave been proven to be fraudulent."
Billy: "Why are you talking about those sources?!? There's so much more to talk about!"
Haha so true
Then leaves lol😂
You caught that too, huh? 😂
This moderator has to be one of the most painful things I've ever listened to.
OMG yessss
He stepped in and took over and actually sabotaged the debate by speaking. He should have kept quiet more.
Cyanide? 😂😂😂
I think he saw it more as discussion than debate? His responses makes more sense through that lense
Right!!!!
Wes brother this debate was so hard to watch. I salute you for your patience and grace throughout.
His patience is a great example for us.
Wow. He is so respectful and responsible with The Word. He should be and Thank God he is on our side. Thanks Mr. Wess
Truth
We need an edited version of the debate with every word the moderator says removed
I second that
It sounded like he was about to break down and cry😂😂 Wtf
@@trentonshuke3563 I asked for it yesterday. 😵💫
😅😅😅 this is the key to not getting headaches 😂 imean billy is out of this place but that guy he is sleeping 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
The video would be about 20 minutes long😅
Wes Huff earned his Expert analyst in this field of study. Grateful to him for sharing his knowledge....this is priceless information he is offering to us for free. ❤
I totally agree. To have someone like him to quote is an immense value.
This debate could’ve been amazing but the moderator ruined it completely.
He’s like the turtle from finding Nemo lol
Yes.... It's insufferable and takes away from the conversation at hand.
💯💯💯💯 yes !! Several times Wes attempted to explain their many false claims and was cut off with gibberish
The moderator is a plant, he was planted to disrupt the raw biblical truth from being exposed & they kept kicking him off the live.
@@Donald70448 Billy def paid that man to interfere.
Use me as “skipping when the host spoke” button lol
🤣🖤👌 Totally ..
Dude ruined the whole debate
Yessss
Omg.. I've been doing that too... 😂😂😂😂
The dude sounds like a 16-year-old stoner whos trying to get Wes to feel his vibe
One good thing about Billy is that he launched this Wes Huff into the stratosphere of Internet recognition. Thank you Billy!
Yep!! All God!!!
Wow….. didn’t even think about that very GREAT POINT!!!! I knew who Billy was and was totally kinda thinking that type of way…. Anyhow, how TF was I exposed to Billy but Never Wes????
God definitely uses ALL things for His glory…even that which Satan intends for evil.
I didn't know Wes at all, and had only learned of Billy from the Terrence Howard fallout on JRE. I think I've seen Billy around as a talking head here and there. I watched Terry and Billy do a thing together, I think it must have been on Billy's "podcast" but the two of them unchecked was sheer absurdity. They both just talked about how great they are. I don't understand how anyone can be fooled by Billy. He might as well have 'conman' written on his forehead.
I wonder if Billy had any idea who he was going to be speaking to. If he had done even the most elementary amount of research, he should have run away as far as he could. As soon as the conversation started, Wes asked "What are you referring to when you say Sinai Bible?" I could already see where this was going. Especially when Billy said "...I assume it's Mt. Sinai....it's on Amazon." Wes says [paraphrasing] "So, it's called Codex Sianiticus, I have a manuscript right here. I'm a linguist and have studied it. I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing" Billy just nods his head up and down- literally speechless.
Agreed! I didn’t know of any of these people. I heard someone talking about a debate leading to a lawsuit and I just haaad to see.
Thank you dear moderator for making this debate possible. I pray you continue on your Journey and understanding the beauty and love and wisdom of God in both the Old Testament and New Testament! God bless and many blessings to you, your wife and your family❤
Don’t let these unfortunate developments get you down, many of us are in praying for you and excited to see more!
I've been following Carson and his channel for years. Just watched this and unsubscribed and subscribed to Wes Huff. Gonna get my Bible out and study it for the first time in years. I was a Christian with many questions and not entirely believing. Watching Wes made me realise I've been lied to and I'm returning to Christianity and the Lord. Thank you Mr Carson for helping me to go home.
Lol try gnostic informant. Billy carson is just another grifter. Same as any other ancient alien dude.
Amen
The gnostics follow the later writings of people who never even met Jesus. 2nd century esoteric Coptic writings. We have the writings from the first century from people who actually knew him!
Gnostics- always “learning” and never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
Love this!!
@@jordantheriverman6143to be fair, Luke never met Jesus neither?
I'm still half an hour from the end and I'm absolutely astonished with Wes' level of tolerance towards the moderator. Deserves a medal!
I'm with you. May God grant Mark an overwhelming level of understanding as there is much lack in his conceptualization of God and text outlined in both the old and new testament.
The moderator is rambling isn't he?
@@HieroPharaohIt was pure torture
I think because he was Billy's friend he was trying to make it seem like it wasn't so much of a setup by playing dumb
That, & wes was definitely being patient for This payoff lol
Yowzers!!!!!! That was unequivocally the politest, most respectful utter intellectual destruction of a debate opponent I have ever seen. Well done Wes. All glory to the Lord
Amen
For real
It was a very Canadian response
Lol, Seriously now! What a TRUE GENTLEMAN Wes is.! I’m glad at least I found out about Wes! Found out the truth about Billy. He always rubbed me the wrong way !
@@robpregon1629 okay, about his Christian views, Billy is definitely wrong. *_BUT_* the things he says and proves about these ancient civilizations, is right. When he talks about the ancient Egyptians and stuff, Wes just shuts it down and says, “no physical evidence.” Like I know, about his Christianity views and demons and angels, Billy is wrong. But about the ancient civilizations, I do think he’s onto something. He just needs to stay out of religion lol 😅
The level of patience displayed by Wes is astounding.
I'm here. The saddest part is that Wesley Huff was so respectful, and had not intention at all to humiliate Billy. Wes was considerate and looking for opportunity to improve Billy on his methods of researching and verifying the information he gathers around the world. But as always, some people just harbor greatest darkness in their souls.
May God continue to bless, protect and increase Wesley Huff.
So true and well said. I admire Wes so much. He comes off as a very understanding and sincere individual who truly wants to educate and spread knowledge and truth with evidence and resources to back up claims. Besides Billy who keeps saying and always says in my opinion of my hypothesis. Billy is very rude and deflects with we have so much more to go over whenever Wes is clearly trying to educate him and teach. Billy needs to be humble and open to constructive criticism.
Wes definitely showed lots of restraint in this debate.
This was a line up, it’s easy to see.
If he didn't had the intentions to humiliate him then he would never post this video.
Wich concludes he most definitely wanted to humiliate him and expose him as a person who misquoted or lied about the text
@ restraint from what?
First time I heard Wes, he truly went out of his way to treat Billy respectfully. Class act!
Why invite two guys on a podcast to debate and then painfully interrupt with 10 minute tangents that neither your own guests or your audience has any interest in?
As annoying as that was he did introduce me to wes.
Why do an interview if you don’t have time to sit through it..
Why ask questions then when you get an answer change the topic and not even dive deeper into what you asked for clarity on .. billy asked all these questions, let the guy interrupt then he doesnt even stay on topic he brings up fake text to compare it to the bible we know and accept.. which tells us he doesnt even care.. then he says in other words, if God is real and knows all, slaves wouldnt exist.. so basically if God is real then there would be no evil.. which ignores free will and says Billy didnt read the bible to understand how free will is in context.. beyond that this says his idea of creator is no evil or no negative ..
Once God gave humans free will, which is as simple as a test to obey.. thats God giving room for evil. Otherwise what? Kill us? No instead allow us to REPRODUCE. But they dont even touch on that lets me know they dont read the bible nor care about that at all. They read counter points, study then. And make it a thing they can revolve a show around. Show being to attract you to their own presence .. they all feel the need to say how great they are and what they accomplished and how the person with the opposing idea is bad and a bad person . Just hearsay and down talking.
In any other context, the moderator would be slightly funny with how much of a hippy he was. However, this was neither the time nor the place for humor, so he's just annoying.
The two guests were good ( one was Credible) …the host though…Good Lord he was terrible….. talking way too much and struggling to make coherent statements…. Let the guests speak Bro….. Your interjections took away from the conversation
I’ve always been a big fan of Wes since I saw him speak at an event. He’s always very calm and factual. Please pray for the mediator as well as Billy . Pray for Wes- This is a true test in loving those who persecute us. Continue to stay humble and stay prayerful. 🙏❤️
Wes, your display of patience and love is beyond admirable.
Fruits of the Spirit
@@raynalindsey3857 I found myself getting impatient and quite annoyed with the host, but later I realized I'd do better to pray for him - that his faith would become far more grounded in reality.
100%
This was a challenge for me to watch I respect the patience Wes applied.
I need to hear Jordan Peterson and Wes have a conversation about Christianity
Love this idea !!
YEEEUPT!
the more i hear billy, the more i dislike him. pray for billy. as far as Wes, man does this kid have an ego. i can smell it from here: heavens gate. dont be surprised when billy has access to heaven but Wes doesnt. you know the truth: he will say, 'I dont know you.' so be careful, humans.
@@prayercodesego? Bro he has the actual documents at his house 😂
He has the books behind him,he isn't selling 80$ drinks,and books ,he explains how ya got scammed by another RUclips false prophet @@prayercodes
Wes, I scrambled to look you up on Patreon. Your wisdom is priceless. Our culture in the West, Needs this type of Spiritual Rennasaince , God Bless you sir
for sure
That was not a debate, not that Billy knew of it. Wes huff was Billy's best friend, they live in the same colony, Billy invited him to his marriage and everything. Wes huff is a snake who set Billy up. The liars are always louder than the wronged.
This is why Billy didn't speak in this so called "debate" he only listened respectfully. Doing a man wrong
God bless you I wish I could do the same but unfortunately my finances don’t allow me to . But God bless you 🙏❤️
Never heard of Billy Carson until I stumbled onto this video. Wes Huff is brilliant and beautiful. I really hope he has a major impact on Carson. 🌻
You handled this with SUCH GRACE, DIGNITY, STRENGTH, & GENTILITY. You represented the faith ADMIRABLY WES!
Amen
Yes. Gentleman in every respect.
I resonate heavily with Wes but that doesn’t make Billy wrong,
I’m not going to give Wes the W so easily
If you immediately think “Wes trounced Billy”
you’re conditioned from the misguided materialisms of the enlightenment and you’ve become an unaware postmodernist, with the reflexive need to debunk, like the intellectual atheists do
Both these speakers are completely right but in seemingly different, and even polar ways
Billy is broadly correct on metaphysics
Whereas Wes is broadly correct on history
You don’t have to understand the Dao to follow Christ, but you MUST follow Christ if you are to understand the Dao 🙏
Wes hasn't proved his point any more than Billy has-neither one of them was around during biblical times, so the idea that Wes "cooked" Billy is absolutely ridiculous. What’s really wild is seeing folks act like Wes is some divine spokesperson when it’s painfully obvious there’s malice in his heart. And let’s not ignore these so-called "followers of Christ" running around dripping with hate. If their goal is to lead anyone to Christ, they might want to rethink their strategy because this ain’t it. Honestly, these people are nothing more than white supremacists hiding behind religion to give themselves a fake moral high ground. If their intentions were truly pure, they wouldn’t be pulling the nonsense they’re pulling.
@@jacksonelmore6227did you actually watch the video all of the man's biblical sources was debunked as fraudulent or complete jokes how can I call truth something that is based on a lie
“The confidence is not backed by the reality of the evidence” has to be the most polite way of saying “you’re loud and wrong”
😂 yes 💯
Each person must decide if the evidence presented is accurate or not. Everyone is free to believe as they choose. This was nothing more than a bible thumping, and THAT is why so many have finally awakened and stepped away from organized religion.
You’re right. The Bible is a weapon. It clearly defeated Wes. No wonder why people are wanting the truth and are turning to Jesus!
@@Butterflymagic2024you explained it perfectly, everybody must decide based off the evidence given. Thank god that Wes was able to disprove majority of the crazy beliefs Billy had with actual, usable, evidence. Hopefully we’re both watching the same video cause nowhere do I see “Bible thumping”, only disproving with proof. I hope Billy one day realizes throwing claim after claim because you want to doesn’t amount to anything. And I hope you watch this again someday but with a much more open mind.
@@Butterflymagic2024 I mean, if you have any evidence that disproves any of Wes’ points I’m all ears b/c, far as I can see, your guy Billy failed to present any.
I don’t this Wes was bible thumping, I think he was standing on business. I think he came with the purpose of refuting the bs Billy’s been allowed to spew on major platforms. You can’t lie about my religion and then characterize me as bible thumping when I merely correct the lies you told🤷🏾♂️
This was a lesson not a debate, you were really respectful Wes thank you for posting.
Indeed
Actually crazy how Wes was just lecturing, not even debating theology, just lecturing Billy on how to read history
Hinduism was the first religion . So now everything has to follow what these 2 say because it’s the truth? lol yet they don’t even know how the pyramids where build but they know the TRUTH which is Christian’s lol hahahahhahah
Well said❤
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria.
And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history.
This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history.
Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
This "debate" would have gone on so much better if this moderator had no mic access.
Agreed, he found himself in the debate and imposing his "own experience" all the time
Exactly
He made this so very bad to watch.
He sounds like a naive, simpleton. I hate people with that shaky, earnest voice. It's like they're pleading not to be called out. Always wanna be allowed to weasel.
@@RoyDemeo-rb4evI'm so frustrated. The beers haven't helped. But wahhhh he yaps and yaps
From now on I will keep listening to Wes Huff. This guy is well informed, inteligent, sharp, on point, patient and full of grace.
He is such a gentle man in this video.
He has my respect 🙏🙏🙏
Me too
Ty for still airing this... People need truth....
About 15 minutes in and I feel like I'm losing IQ points watching this. Props to Wes for his patience and respect.
I was about to write the same thing!
omg right?! i had to fast forward through the moderator lmfao
Word 🤯
And yet the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. Billy is 100% correct, the outcome of reading and internalizing the Bible as a whole always ends in tremendous human suffering. Time and time again. It is by design a collection of books programming for division and violence.
It also has nothing to do with what Christ the Nazarene actually taught, he was a Gnostic and as it so happens the only surviving Gnostic community not exterminated by the Church or time are the Nazarenes (Nasuraiya) located in southern Iraq
I'm stuck at 14:04, and already feel bad for those two seated at the desk together. I just learned of the existence of Billy Carson yesterday evening, while visiting with two brothers inlaw who are ministers, lol.
With all due respect the "moderator" should not have interjected his half baked opinions!
I feel like he needs deliverance.
He's one of them feel good hippie Jesus Christians
Half baked Is diabolical 😂.
He needed an appointment.
The use of all the bywords!
What I love about the bible is that it describes people like Billy Carson perfectly: 2 Timothy 3:7 "...always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth."
Ironically that verse could be used to describe almost everyone in your religion. I don't think any of you knew what Jesus was actually talking about.
I dont know what he's really learning.. his sources are crap
I think even that reference is too generous. He purposely refused to look at actual historical evidence lol.
@@dondrejames1679That’s a mighty assumption there buddy, got any proof of that?
@@dondrejames1679Billy Carson burner account is that you?
"The confidence might not be backed by the reality of the evidence". A brilliant way of wording what we all think about Billy's "concept", while keeping it respectful.
Billy Carson is a gift. Without him, I would have never found Wes Huff.
These fake comments be wilding. You people go to RUclips for knowledge when’s the last time you opened a book
@@JDaKeehBrudda why are you triggered, people can read books and watch RUclips whaaaaat and acting like there ain’t knowledge to be gained on places like RUclips is pure mental gymnastics.
However it is up to you like with books to determine what is rubbish and accurate as if there’s no books full of absolute nonsense. 🤣
@@JDaKeehtell me you’re a Billy Carson fan without telling me you’re a Billy Carson fan.
@@JDaKeeh These aren't fake comments. Billy is a dipshit, albeit a rich one. This video has been seen over 700k times on this small channel, and countless more views on other channels - not even including reaction videos and opinion pieces. Likely tens of thousands of people learned of one of the three people in this video by virtue of watching this video.
The list of charlatans that have written widely read books is infinite. Telling someone that in your humble opinion they're stupid is easy enough without resorting to the "read a book once in a while" trope. Knowledge gained depends on the credibility of the source, not the credibility of the medium from which it was delivered.
This is a long, intricate way of me telling you that I think you're a dumbass. =)
@@penutchiekowas it the over infatuation with saying the word “knowledge” that gave it away for you?
Wes is a beautiful example of what meekness, humility, compassion, mercy and grace look like. What a gentle soul and a man full of wisdom after Gods heart! Wes knows how to bring a hardened heart to Christ with a soft nudge in how he handled this debate. 🙏🏼
As a Christian that has not been the most devoted in my faith, this video has given me a renewed thirst for biblical knowledge and understanding. Thank you, Wes.
What a blessing
Welcome home❤
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.
I encourage you to dive deep! But as a warning, the deeper you go, the stronger the objections get and it becomes harder to find the answers. But the answers are out there!
Wow, that started out awesome and just when we were getting into the good stuff, Mark went off on a tangent and then Billy couldn’t accept what Wes was saying. Wes, you sir are an amazing person for enduring this. You held your compassion when the train was running off the tracks. Great message at the end and thank you for staying till the end. Nobody would have faulted you if you just checked out and disconnected. Love listening to you speak Wes and cannot wait to watch you on the Rogan show. Thank you sir, and bless you!
“May I ask you a clarification question “. Is the most Epic Walk-Down in debate history
Not even close. Wes sounds like every biblical scholar. The Egyptian creation story is enough to cancel his argument but it’s not acceptable in their methodology
@@dillonroyalfeathayes8976truth sound the same from different people! Thats how we know the gospel of Jesus is true! If you cant believe that after this debate then i pray for you
@ I hear you on that, but Billy didn't go there, he went away from Egypt and resorted to using Annunaki Pseudo rhetoric Wich cause him be on the defense for the rest of the debate
@@Square-Life_Brackdoesn’t make wes right. Billy was just clearly off
@@dillonroyalfeathayes8976 Could you elaborate?
Part of the problem for people like Billy is pride and wanting to be right instead of finding what’s actually true. He likes his ear tickled and when someone takes the tickler he gets angry.
🤣
You a pawn
You just like listening to your ppl instead of the truth but hey I'm not buying wes
billy is accurate...
The people say that billy was right, is right in reality but in God the beholder the physical world doesn't exist but for us thus why he built it, God doesn't care if you dance around with feelings and emotions, his purpose is much greater than our ideas opinions
This video is my introduction to you, Wes. Props to you for representing the Kingdom well in this debate, particularly in your patience
His patience is unmatched.
That moderator was awful, but I do respect him for allowing this debate to happen, and for realizing he is terrible when it comes to interruptions.
Also my introduction. What a guy
Definitely!
same here, he won the debate, AND will get so much more views since the mass followed billy carslon to here.( btw i am not a carlson fan, im a curious seeker everywhere lurking for more wisdom) my u tube shoot me this, and mheee. its the second time my suggestion box is making a good suggestion lol
GOD doesn't humiliate someone for the joy of it.
God bless you Wes! Keep spreading the word brother your leading so many to Christ
I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour a week ago today, and all of this unfolded right around the same time. I'm so glad that this is happening this early on in my faith journey, and finding Wes this early is helping me so much with the questions and doubts that I have.
Welcome to the body! I just found Wes - he's good.
Welcome home! Dive in deep brother or sister!
Awesome! Praise God. I’d also recommend Trinity Radio as a listen/watch. They deal with a lot of apologetics type issues, taking on doubts and questions. And they’re a fun listen.
And a lot of Scripture
Welcome to the family! Mike Winger is another good one. And nate Sala on wise disciple.
I would recommend to you pastor john macarthur , john piper , voddie baucham , and paul washer ! Ive learned alot from them !
Not the best moderator but should be absolutely commended for bringing them together! He played a crucial role!!
Thank you Wes, for not only defending the faith, but for doing so with grace. You are a true inspiration.
That's right Wes is a apologist religious zealot I said it!
What I appreciate about the moderator is his vulnerability and his willingness to share his perspective from his personal relationship with Jesus. God Bless!
Hey Wes,
I’ve been a christian most of my life. But becoming a Navy Sailor for a couple of years had slipped me away from God.. due to the fact I’m surrounded by other ideals from my brothers in the service. The clip on TikTok lead me to this video which lead me to a deeper understanding of truth. Wes, God lead me closer to Him again by using you as a vessel. Thank you.
Praise God!
Are you still in the navy. Stay away from drinking.
@ I don’t drink. And it’s not the drinks it’s who you surround yourself with day to day. Yes I’m still active duty but after this video I went to church for the first time in a long time. Slow but sure progress.
@@shaunhunterit342 amen🙏🏻
@ congrats but your body is the church /temple search for the inner man always strive to do better for your self
And what makes you happy
You are strong in the word. I am not. I call myself a follower of Christ, yet I barely read the Bible. You have just encouraged me to start growing again spiritually after being "dormant" for so long. I'm wanting to be a true follower of Christ and wanting to learn how to truly do so. I think I have just been getting discouraged lately as time goes on as it seems the world keeps getting darker and changing in a direction that doesn't seem right, I've just been trying to avoid it all. I'm sure some of you feel this too. Thank you. I pray that others truly find Christ as well and become hungry for the word just as I have watching this so that we may lead others to Him once we grow and get equipped with His word. May the Lord continue to bless you and guide you sir.
Thanks for your reply Colton! May God continue to bless you in many new and wondrous ways!
Baptism saves😁
Ask God for decrement of the word and wisdom. And the word becomes easier to understand. You got this brother, and don't lose sight of christ.
Well said Colton. Once I started reading the Bible, everything changed.
Why are you paying this ignorant man 😢
Moderator: "I've known Billy Carson for some years now. Solid friend, great character, businessman.........." Well, that didn't age well.
He's suing them both right?
Why what happened since then?
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria.
And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history.
This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history.
Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
@@blocboi407he’s saying he’s going to sue his “friend” for a million dollars and build himself a big new house with the money he gets. He also threatened the man not to expose some of his past and this video and has accused him of this conversation being a set up to humiliate him.
@@maelemothiba1423 what are you going on about? Much of the Bible was actually written in Africa. And what does this have to do with the comment you are responding to?
Currently watching for the 2nd time now. And I pray that God gives me more wisdom and understanding 🙏🏽 as everyone out there I’m praying for you guys in these last wicked days. I live in LA so I see it everyday. The world is grown cold. May God lead us all through the narrow path. ❤❤
Mark wasn’t the best moderator but I don’t think ANYONE else would’ve been able to get Billy to do this conversation so I appreciate Mark putting this together so so much
Honestly when Billy around like 40 minutes in or so went on trying to talk about like men abusing women in an debate about ancient times was absurd. I mean honestly everybody knows that is a fact. Doesn't dismiss what Wes said too. Sad part was. I just started watching Billy and I thought he was pretty interesting but honestly he couldn't cite anything... Like it was baddddd... So how can you moderate something with absolute zero clue what they truly are saying versus somebody who spent their life dedicated their life to even trying to comprehend their own beliefs and then went ahead so deep into it obtained a PhD. I Mean. It's just wild to see that gap.... Like that in logic.
@@Obiwannadoobie777yeah 3 different worlds clashing together is what’s going on here..
ruclips.net/video/bHzCvcN_1X0/видео.htmlsi=lxiN1YtfHHNlpBHE
@@Obiwannadoobie777That annoyed me it kind of shows his lack of understanding of history not that I am some guru but god this women where nothing but slaves throughout history is boring, absurd and just insulting. Even you saying it is a fact is like what bro? Because it’s not true sorry too many different cultures and practices throughout history.
Look at Sparta who held their women in a high regard so much so they valued their women way higher than the men of Athens for example or how about this look at todays western society where women are as free as the men then you look at most Muslim societies where women are absolutely not free. So you can see how different people and cultures have different practices the past is no exception my guy come on.
That says a lot about Billy and it’s not favorable.
Was questioning my faith when I started following Billy this really helped center me back to my Christian beliefs. Thanks 🙏
Glad to hear it billys lies got to me too
Yes his lies got to me as well. I was questioning everything after I hurd some of his stuff. Then I figured out more of the ish he preaching is FAKE.
Imagine being naive and gullible enough to believe in what some random idiot says online. You are the type that will fall into some cult 🤡
Praise God! Stay strong in the faith. 🙏🏽
Same, made me start to question a lot.
In that I went through a lot of studying different belief systems, debates, etc. Interesting and fascinating rabbit holes.
But the answers to my questions and doubts (from various sources) undoubtedly led back to Christ.
❤
The best thing to come out of all this Billy Carson drama is I've found Wes Huff.
Love his passion and knowledge of the Word! Keep up the good work ❤
Thankyou wes! Because of you, I no longer need to waste my time, listening to this guy anymore
I just wanted to say thank you Wes. So many people were being led astray by Billy. After this debate so many people are going back to Jesus and being saved! Thank you a million times! God bless you!
Wes Huff just converted half of Billy Carson's subscribers in that debate !! I followed Billy for over a decade and now I'm a follower of Jesus because he was crucified and Jesus is the son of God who rose from the dead !!
You people are horridly blind. He time after time showed Wes clear evidence then Wes says well just have faith in this blah blah good grief. Billy throws evidence straight into his face yet yall are so brainwashed Christ sake
1:06:00 is exactly spot on. Wes is just wasting time going on and on about asking for evidence when Billy literally referred to two tribes that undeniable are facts and backed by numerous scholars that prove what Billy says about those tribes are the truth and actually happened. This further disproves Wes and the fake religion that’s mind control under the name of Christianity. Even the Bible condones slavery and Billy even recited a verse saying so from the very Bible all yall praise blindly. Yet yall just find another reason to smeer or change the definition of what’s said. Yall wack
Mmm check you’re facts on their allegations
😂😂😂
Proverbs 29:11
"A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back."
I love these verses but i think would send the bears!!!!
Chicago Bears? 🤔
@@Ze_MooseElijah bears 😂
Amen
Ouch, so we are supposed to just bottle everything up? Seems counterintuitive but can’t argue with biblical wisdom
As Christians this should all lead us to pray for Billy Carson...may he truly seek the Lord and find him in truth
Amen
He needs to put all that research into finding the God of the bible for himself and stop studying doctrines of demons
You indoctrinated sycophants will never learn 😂😂😂😂
prove that you know the truth
This right here
Amazing to see so many comments. I watched this through, remembering the words of my late father: "it's better to win a friend than win an argument". Faith worketh by love. Our love for the lost will open their hearts into faith to believe the Good News.
Billy: It was an ambush, I was being set up. I didn't even get the chance to get my point across.
Wes Huff: *drops the full unedited video."
Based!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did he really say that? lol
@@glove8888 Of course, he did. Go watch his stream where he was coping.
He said all kinds of excuses of why he lost 😂
@raphaelfeneje486 watching it now. Dudes a complete charlatan
This was absolutely the most calm, polite, intellectual tear down I have ever seen. No yelling, no rude facial expressions, no interruptions, no wondering or guessing, just complete destruction!!!😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Great Job!❤
Wes,is really knowledgeable and I count it a privilege to listen to him. The depth of knowledge is great. It is at this level one who claims to be on top of his craft ought to be. When asked what method is used to determine what is authentic or fabricated there should be a reference with names etc . This debate was so needed as the LORD JESUS CHRIST .is pulling things together as he prepared for his second coming. GOD' speaks through the prophet Haggia in 2nd chapter concerning Zeruabbabel, governor of Judah whom he had chosen as his signet. I see Wes as such.
Absolutely
Tear down? Yea right we on an insane asylum
@@Malinda-zk5bq there was plenty of wondering and guessing. Isn't Wes discussing biblical stories as if they are true absent any reliable eyewitness testimony or sufficient evidence?
@@elizabethsmith-rs3gh your obviously only saying that because It's something you agreed with before you even heard Wes say it. Easy to point out when the overall Bible community has labeled certain documents as fraudulent. However, you then can't ignore when that same Bible community points to fraudulent material that made it into the Bible. That same Bible community points out historical misprints and geographical inaccuracies. Not to mention those same scholars within that same Bible community find zero evidence of any of the supernatural claims made in the Bible.
I think it's ignorant but at least Billy Carson sticks to the same standards. He tends to believe a text has merit if it had ever been believed throughout history. He thinks none are 100% truth but all contain a hint expressed the best way the writer could put into words. That's a bad standard but it's more honest than Wes changing the standard depending on which ancient group wrote the text.
Dude this “moderator” is driving me NUTS
I like the moderator
Valley Girl ...Like Dude I am really fillin his name is Like Mark Dude..
It's obvious he got questions and don't know what he's talking about. He should just sit back and listen
But he called himself a critical thinker!
@@BrianJames-ls5qq Critical thinker that needs chatgpt LOL
I heard about this debate. Went to your channel. Subscribed. Stopped the video to write this comment. You addressing both the moderator and Carson, well done. God is good.
Wes displayed so much patience, grace, and humility during this debate. He was polite, composed, and respectful to Billy and Mark in ways that would have tempted me to respond in a snarky and disrespectful manner. Well done. What an excellent example of confidence through knowledge and real faith
Right! I also noted that, I’d be saying “just let me finish!” 😭😭😭
Fruit of the Spirit❤
Arguing about whether Jesus was or wasn't crucified is the equivalent of arguing if Harry Potter did or didn't have a thunderbolt scar. Either way its a made up story 🤡
@@spatium_viatorI can understand not believing God but to hate Christianity so much that you ignore history is just sad.
Him: "Nuh uh"
You: 😮
Thank you Billy Carson for helping me find an AMAZING and polite scholar of the scriptures. This debate was an absolute blessing for me and many others.
Right!!
Typical scamming of a Christian. This is exactly what Christians love to say. You guys have all been possess until God , Jesus the lord came to save you. Like nah bruh. You have been a Christian who probably hands out pamphlets as a side hustle to bring people to your church.
What did he say that made you believe the scripture is right? If you don’t mind me asking? Or was it just the way he challenged Billy
What the devil meant for evil, God turned to good! Billy may be leading many down the broad path, but God is using his renown to bring many across to the narrow!
Please before you get too excited , Remember if you don't know any better Wes may seem smart and Knowledgable , but to someone well above his Knowledge you will rip holes through him , he will be more embarressed than Billy was during this Debate.
The story of Jesus is total B.S It's all made up
This is not for drama. This is to defend Jesus Christ who is the Savior of the world. He will save you!
Why didn't Christ debate for himself? Because he is not real.
@ Jesus doesn’t debate. His words and actions including His resurrection is enough to hold everyone accountable towards the truth. The Bible is Gods word.
You can deny the Bible and the Gospels but Christ has changed my life. He came to give life! I don’t speak because of any other reason besides my own experience and the reliability that I have found in Jesus Christ.
Amen brother. Remember that when Christ sent the disciples out he said if the people won't hear you then shake the dust off your sandals and move on.
@@forgivenintheblood Amen! I need to remind myself of this truth at times. Thank you!
@@anti-world6506 anytime.
Thank you Wes. That was super insightful and encouraging. Thanks Brian for bringing the questions that the culture is struggling with, I pray you continue to wrestle and that God fully reveals himself to you, I see the good you are striving for.
Thanks Mark for facilitating the conversation and coming from an honest place of seeking and wrestling. Your genuine struggle can be a great help other believers fighting for their faith.
One of the gifts I've received from Christmas is discovering wes huff.. He is a blessing
SAMEEEE
So now we have to become Christian because of these 2?
Wow
It's because Social Media is flooded with laypeople and disinfo agents discussing the Bible. When we allow Scholars and Linguists who are experts in understanding the Bible and Ancient history, to speak and have a stronger analytical voice for us to consider, then we have a more accurate basis to form an opinion on. Actual evidence. People like Cliffe Knechtle, Wesley Huff, the late Michael Heiser, Sam Shamoun, and many more need to have more prominent voices.
Unfortunately the TikTok culture is lapping up the Billy Carsons, the Paul Wallis', the Ancient Alien touters along with the people promoting Gnosticism.
Lmao yu guys can't see a set up and a plant yu so dum white man capture ya soul already
As annoying as it was to listen to the moderator ramble, I think he better represents the “normal” person that we Christians would interact with on a day to day basis. Speaking from experience, most people I evangelize to sound more like the moderator than they do Billy. It’s clear he had thought about the questions he asked, but it’s also clear he thought he had the answers before he even asked Wes to answer them. Wes is again a great example of what we should strive to do in these sorts of honest conversations with those who struggle with these sorts of questions. He let him express his thoughts and opinions without shutting him down, and he didn’t become aggravated with him for not listening. That’s how God is with us, and as soon as we realize that, it helps us to evangelize better. Gotta commend Wes again here, and thank him for the example he showed for us “neighborhood apologists” in this debate. Praise Jesus
Being a “normal person” thinking about the Christian faith is one thing but when your job is to moderate a debate it’s a different story.
I do not think this was that bad for Billy. Obviously he lost most points. But there a few things the other guy was weak on, like saying god isn’t male. I mean Jesus was a guy lol. So at least 1/3 of the trinity is male. God the father is also male.
But if he would have just let this go and ignored it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as big lol.
It seemed like the moderator was more interested in saying his piece than asking questions or getting answers.
@@BenMackin-hu9et absolutely
@@Mario_11 agreed! The show is not about him but the debate and I think he made it too personal at times getting off topics.
Wes showed tremendous patience with both Billy and the moderator.
I've been confused and struggling with my experiences and faith and this was a fantastic example of Christian patience and the love of Christ being lived out. Thank you Brother Wesley
It’s fascinating how much effort is put into dismissing African contributions to history and knowledge systems. To those who say oral traditions don’t count as history, let me remind you that when you deliberately destroy written records, like burning African universities and knowledge centers, you leave people no choice but to preserve their history verbally. For example, colonial invasions targeted institutions like the University of Timbuktu and even before that, Alexander the Great’s conquests led to the destruction of African knowledge systems, such as those housed in the Library of Alexandria.
And let’s not forget the Dogon tribe, whose oral traditions contain advanced knowledge of the Sirius star system, as documented by researchers like Marcel Griaule. These are not myths; they are facts that challenge your narrow view of history.
This isn’t about angels, demons, or aliens in the sky. It’s about people and the survival of their histories. Just as the New Testament justified slavery with verses like Ephesians 6:5-9, colonial powers used tools like Christianity and imperialism to erase and control. African generations continue to suffer from the begotten benefits of this system, so we watch very carefully what is said about religion and history.
Dismiss these truths if you want, but the evidence is clear-history is far more complex than just what’s written by the victors.
Facts 💯
@@maelemothiba1423 as an African, I'd say you haven't followed the premise of the debate critically. Also, what you said about Christianity is highly inaccurate.
@@maelemothiba1423 as an African, I'd say you haven't followed the premise of the debate critically. Also, what you said about Christianity is highly inaccurate.
Bless you Wes and your incredible patience and discipline. God was glorified and people were reached by this exchange. Incredible work brother.
i just recently came back to the Christian faith I was raised with after many years away. I bought my first bible yesterday and discovered Wes today. I’m so grateful! I will certainly learn a lot on this channel
How wonderful to hear and agree that it's a great channel
Welcome back to the family
From a Russian Christian
Welcome back , time to celebrate your return!
Bro, there's another RUclipsr called The Metatron who's a historian who showcased accounts how the Roman Empire actually chronicled interactions with and precautions used for Jesus leading up to the crucifixion. It's like Wes says, the more you study it and question it, the more truth you find
Happy you’re back ❤ I was a none believer 6 months ago but I bought my Bible from Amazon for $5 and man did it change my life ! I’m a proud Christian today! And I just found Wess! Thank God !
Thank you Wes. This was a masterclass of how to be emotionally intelligent with responses while staying grounded in facts.
Quite admirable.
Midway, I was literally saying out loud “Dude, let him finish! He is trying to explain and you keep interrupting with idiotic arguments” then I came to the comments because I also said out loud “Sorry Lord I need to be more patient like Wes”. I am glad I wasn’t the only one 😅. Wes, you are so patient and kind brother. God bless you sir. I absolutely love the way you handled it. I subscribed, followed and will be watching the rest of your content. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I had the same-ish journey though I’m still at the rage part lol
@ Lol for sure, I feel ya
That was so frustrating. Honestly when you don’t even want to listen to a complete answer, it really indicates to me that you aren’t actually looking for understanding or truth, but rather for an excuse to justify throwing out something you don’t like
@@IvandGreat wow blue pill much?
They interrupted Wes a but load
Pauly Shore hosting apologetic debates is something I thought would never see. Thank you everyone for the conversation.
Billy Carson is the most pure definition of "my sources are: Trust me bro"😂
W comment 😂
Trust me bro I went there myself 😂😂😂
80% of Billy’s knowledge is from known fraudulent works of fiction! 😂 that’s was the best😂
He is not an accurate representation of Black scholarship. Dr. Ben & Dr. Clarke are our standard barriers.
The biggest sources Wes has is artifacts written by COLONIZERS. This had to happen because all it's doing is showing that Caucasians think going to school can prove "God" LMFAO! Where has Jesus been during slavery for any & all indigenous people? This whole conversation actually benefits Billy Carson! LMFAO! Wes is beyond borderline crazy!
Oh boy, I can't imagine what miserable experience that must have been for Wes. Thanks for suffering through this for us.
Around 1:21:00 the moderator was like “now IM the debater!”. Didnt even let Wes explain his answer
@@pepethunderdude was like, I know what you’re saying, and literally did not 🤣
Grifters will be grifters 🤣
I got frustrated for u. U really cudn answer N E QUEZTION AT ALL!!
Som stuff was ignorant and unexplainable yet 1 sided.
Wes, on the off chance you get to read this. You're doing such a valuable service in how you engage with your debates. I really admire the way you treat everyone not like you're after a "gotcha", but engaging in good faith, on subject, and with kindness. I sincerely hope you get the recognition you deserve.
Regardless what Billy Carson decides to do, you couldn't of been more genuine. I'll be praying more people can see your work, if only to realize Christianity isn't what they remember as children.
Lies may have speed, but the truth has endurance my friend!
Beautifully put ❤ .
Billy shot himself in the foot, because he actually drew more attention to the interview by trying to resist so much!
Great job. I hope people watching get the understanding that a text or source being doesn’t equate accuracy. Lot of great information provided. Watched for the first hour-plus until Mark started going off the rails. There were so many times you could have piped in and said, “Where does the text make that claim?” Or “That’s not how historiography works.” Thanks for stepping up and doing this debate and posting it.
Wes, God has truly given you a mission that you are making Him proud. You are softening hearts by the help of the Holy Spirit. God bless you brother
I have to give a shoutout to Billy Carson for introducing me to Wes Huff!!! 😂 just joking! but I’m a Christian and so glad to learn from you. God Bless You!
Lol I thought the same thing 😂
Glaze😂
😂 I literally am grateful to Billy for bringing me to Wes's channel and off his.
😂 same here. I didn’t know Wes until this debate and I have watched other videos too. That is the way God works, I had to listen to the painful opponents to find Wes’ sound teachings 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thank God 💙
Facts tho 😂
1:21:10 is there a mute button for the host ?🤦🏽♂️ ===================>
I agree he sounds like a dipshit but this is my first time seeing him
Yea like what kind of Christian says these things lol 😂
Came here to say this, you can see the excitement one Wes face that he has a well thought out logical explanation but he keeps getting interrupted with this low tier first order garbage. Let the man explain it to you, try to understand that he may have a logical explanation. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Omg thank you. I’m not the crazy one. The moderated new Billy was in over his head. He’s trying to save face for him. The smirk that Wes has on his face this whole debate is Priceless. Wes makes total sense to me. I have common sense. That’s all you need to understand Wes. God job Wes. God bless you.🫡
He is asking good questions though
God bless this Holy man & his patience 😭✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏🙏🫶 he is so annointed 😫🙏✝️
Wow Wes. You are a true class act. You are so patient, respectful, and professional. I cannot believe Billy’s response to all of this. He claimed his research is second to none so I would have thought he would welcome this discussion with you. You’ve gained so many new fans from all of this including myself.
Lol, class act. Wes is a highly trained apologetic. He has spent a great deal of his most influential life being brainwashed by other "scolars" to go after people who are a threat to the "Christian" narrative. He went after low hanging fruit and is a pawn in a calculated attack. He is an agent of evil powers. If he truly was anything of class and could truly prove the existence of Jesus or his apostles then he would debate a real scholar. The simple fact that he has turned down Jason's invitation and Moreno is ignoring him proves Wes is no different than Billy. He's a sad weak brainwashed man.
Lol research is believing the source material for ancient aliens
I Was an ex-Muslim who understood the Islamic framework from an infant as my dad was a cleric until I encountered Yeshua a few years ago and went to understudy history, philosophy, and sacred theology. To be sharing some of the insights I have learned on my channel.
It will be nice having you around.
Shalom, Shalom family.
Shalom brother ❤️
Thank you for sharing brother. 😊
Wow, praise God. God brought me out of Mormonism, and saved my soul. Praise YESHUA
Praise God !
Your testimony is so important !!
Thank you heavenly father for years I've followed and listened to Billy Carson thank you lord for bringing me back home
I feel the exact same way. I've preached Billy's teachings to my wife and children I feel like a real piece of sh*t. I've been watching Wes videos since this debate I've learned a lot more.
If someone on RUclips can change your belief you were never a real believer but Wes mad you a believer again 😂
@@mass9448 your statement makes no sense lol
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Amen! When I re dedicated my life to Christ I was always listening to a platform he was on when I tell you the Lord gave me an agitation to watching him I quit all together. I would eventually tell people to stop believing everything he says just because he sounds smart. So Glad Wes has done his due diligence and respectfully represents God in a historically accurate and with deep rooted faith
Is there a version of this where it skips when this “moderator” goes off on a random speech?😂
All this did was further prove my faith in Jesus, the Bible, and that God is good. Bless you Wes!!!