I’m currently shopping for an entry level machine and am focusing on the GCP. This looked great up until I saw the price point. At that price, it seems silly that they couldn’t give us a few more inches of clearance under the group head and a better designed drip tray.
I’d be more likely to get a gcp or Silvia and add PID and flow control to it. This does definitely seem like a great value for people who don’t want to mod their machines though!
Dunno, it feels like a less advanced version of the Breville dual boiler at a higher price point with compromises around the steam wand and cup clearance. It is nice to see a more thought out machine rather than just another slapped together e61 though.
For sure! It was neat to hear their thought process behind the features they did and didn’t include, based on what they find customers typically care about most
Hmmmm as a the profitec go is the more polished looking machine but this at it's sale price of 1099 currently from seattle coffee gear just has so any more features that are super desirable like the dual wall burn safe steam wand the side loading tank the separate steam function and the pid. Also being able to steam at the same time is a big thing. What a hard choice to make.
So the Mio…. A boiler for water, a separate thermoblock for steam. A pressure gauge *and* a PID. An easily accessible and adjustable OPV. Does the PID adjust to single degrees? The vid showed it going ten degrees per button push. Looks like the only missing element is manual flow control, which would allow for pre-infusion. That can be added for ten bucks; wonder why they omitted it.
I was about to say that it looks alot like a new version of the Quickmill Orione, but makes sense when it's made by Quickmill. It's much cheaper than having specific parts and shapes to for every machine. Currently i have a Quickmill 2820 thermoblock machine at home and am really happy with it. I didn't want a boiler, because i think that it's not worth for a single person house hold to get a boiler to heat up 1l of water each time while only needing 2dl of water.
Yes that is true. The same is true for the Bello it is a rebranded quick mill Rubino . I don’t blame them though whole latte love did the same thing with the pathfinder. I actually have the path finder with flow control.
Wow! This is really tempting over the Gaggia Classic Pro. You have a PID, OPV regulation. Fantastic review. Thank you. Couple of questions: 1. Any solutions for the drip tray to fit a scale and a cup? Bottomless portafilter? 2. Does it have an option of Celsius on the PID.
Right? I think the Gaggia Classic Pro PRO analogy is spot on (if I do say so myself) 1. Yes, a bottomless portafilter would definitely solve the clearance issue. Usually a good strategy for machines like this 2. Yes, you can switch the display to Celsius
For me, this is not a GCP killer. It's a Silvia killer. Its priced competitively with SCG's Silvia w/ PID, but the PID is built in instead of aftermarket and offers simultaneous brewing and steaming. Looks like its designed to target the Ascaso Duo too. This machine is just too expensive to be in the same bracket as the GCP.
I would rather empty my drip tray every day (I do it already on my Barista Express) and have more clearance/shorter tray than not be able to fit most cups under the spouts, very weird design choice. Overall though, for the price, really tempting.
At this price point, a comparison to something like the Lelit Mara X, Ascaso Steel UNO PID / DREAM PID or the ECM Classika PID would be more interesting than a comparison to the way way waaay cheaper GCP. The two questions would be, how the overall feature-set compares to them and (most importantly) how much better will my espresso taste for 3x the money of a GCP? (The combination of the optional thermoblock for steaming and a big-boiler-single-boiler is an idea I really like)
As a Gaggia owner, 1000% agree. Was impressed with the machine, but missed the price (if he mentioned). When I clicked the link, I was floored. I paid half that amount, and in Australian Dollars.
This wasn’t intended as a comparison to the GCP, I was make an analogy about the feature set and the mythical “Gaggia Classic PRO” people always say they would love to see (PID, and dual boiler) The true competition in terms of feature set is the Ascaso Steel Duo, and somewhat the Rancilio Silvia Pro X as mention in the conclusion. A GCP with the same grinder, OPV mod, and proper temperature surfing routine can achieve the same quality espresso as any of these machines. The asking price for the higher end stuff comes primarily in terms of convenience, not huge drink quality leaps. The GCP is a great machine for the money for this reason.
Pro Pro? Maybe Pro + ? Like this review. I moved from a prosumer E60 HX machine to a more consumer friendly Lelit Elizabeth. I really like what these companies are doing by adding features which hobbyists really want.
The Mio is a Quick Mill Silvano with a slightly different body and PID. It's nice but I am not sure of why they changed the drip tray (the Silvano has a handle that makes removing the tray/drawer much easily). And it's a little more expensive than the Silvano, but many may prefer this new look more than the original.
That's interesting. I hadn't heard of the Silvano and just recently purchased the Mio. After watching this video and looking at the Silvano I think I still prefer the Mio, though I do wish they would've taken another 1/2" off the drip tray to let the steam arm move more easily and to accomodate cups with scales better.
Great job on this video - I'd love to see more explanation on how the thermal block + single boiler combo really works, that's definitely the most interesting feature this machine has to me.
Interesting, because in the Seattle Coffee review they specifically say you should not brew and steam at the same time amid concerns off blowing a fuse.
@@LifestyleLab_ ok, maybe I didn't word that correctly. Obviously you can make a valid comparison to any espresso machine, but to me it would make more sense to compare it to a similar type machine: boiler + thermoblock (Ascaso, Breville, QuickMill,...) instead of a single boiler machine.
I wasn’t really comparing it to another machine, I was just trying to put its feature set in terms of another better-known machine, ie the Gaggia Classic Pro PRO analogy. In the conclusion I mention two machines it ACTUALLY competes with, being the Ascaso Steel Duo, and Silvia Pro X :) Head to head comparison videos to come
From what I understand, QM uses proprietary portafilter holders and baskets for their thermoblock machines, that has to be one of the worst business decisions you can make on a prosumer espresso machine.
The PID and consistent temperature are a major selling point....but the height...hmmm I guess they really went pure Italian espresso height; 1/2 inch taller would have been nice.
I read spec and i dont like the non-brass boilers, i like the Bello but at that prices a rocket or emc its a better option. The mio is good for a beginer but if I had to choose I prefe the Gaggia clasica pro. My giaggia is 7 plus year old and works as good as my rocket
Debating between this and the Bello. It's going to be first espresso machine and I am basically getting it to make Cortados. I'm looking for something consistant and not too hard to use. Which would you go with and is the Bello that much better at the price difference?
The Bello is not better, it’s different. It will have better steaming power for your cortados, but at the sacrifice of the PID temperature control on the brewing side. Unless you’re in love with the classic E61 stying on the Bello, I’d go with the Mio instead :)
Great video, thank you. I also watched your video on the Profitec Go, would you recommend this or the Profitec Go, based on your experience? Thank you again
Profitec if you’re doing espresso and the occasional latte just due to the improved external build quality and level of finishing If you’re going to be making mainly milk drinks, then I’d recommend the Mio to avoid the workflow complications of a single boiler
Great review!! If I attached a paddle/twist handle to the adjustable OPV valve do you think I would be able to achieve some sort of “pressure profiling” with this machine?
While that’s an interesting idea! No, that wouldn’t be a safe way to accomplish a profiled shot. The adjustment isn’t built for that kind of manipulation
You’ll be getting better build quality with that ECM without a doubt, but will be losing important features, mainly the PID. There’s always a trade off :)
I can't get a creama on my Dilletta Mio. How can I get a creama? I've adjusted boiler to 9bar but just a tiny creama that disappears after 10 seconds????
Are hot water spouts not a common feature? My wife and I drink americanos every morning and that small feature is such an important one for me, but it doesn't seem as commonplace as I would've thought.
6:32 temperature stability should be most affected by the boiler size. When brewing coffee, around 40ml cold water goes into the boiler. So the amount of hot water inside affects the temperature. Does that make the boiler position a less important factor?
Most machines are not pulling cold water into the boiler while brewing. After the shot, you’ll hear the pump kick on a second time. This is the machine refilling the boiler after the shot / steaming session. So the phenomenon you’re describing doesn’t actually occur
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks. I'm using Rancilio Silvia. I noticed when brewing, the vibration pump actually is pumping and the water tank level is going down. I'm not sure if this is the case for Mio
@@ai5506 I agree. Not only single boiler. Maybe all pumped machines refill during the shot. I can only speak for the single boiler and heat exchanges I've used.
@seattledude: well HEX machines do refill the steam boiler if needed, so there could be the pump running while not pulling a shot. but lifestylelab is still wrong
It’s a different machine than the Profitec. Dual heating systems vs single boiler being the biggest one. Build quality is much better in the Profitec, steaming power is better BUT only once the boiler is up to temp. Comes down to workflow and what you value more!
2 questions: is there an option to show the temperature in Celsius? And is there a filter in the water reservoir?hopefully v2 of the machine will be a couple of inches taller. I can’t imagine eyeballing a shot without a scale, or going solely by shot time.
Yes, you can switch to Celsius, yes there is a filter on the end of the intake tubes. I agree, I’d love to see some better cup clearance. A bottomless portafilter is a good play if you’re going with this machine!
@@LifestyleLab_ The pulsor is like a very small rubber expansion tank. It's also a relatively easy mod for ULKA pump machines, so it could in theory be fitted to your Rocket ;)
Yeesh, that price for this. The cup clearance is just a deal breaker. It may not be the purist option, but for that price, I'd be going with a breville and gaining a bunch of flexibility.
Great review, thanks. I just bought one of these and it will be my first espresso machine. Other than a bottomless porta filter, is there anything else worth buying to get more out of this (accessories, upgrades, etc)?
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the reply, for someone who knows nothing about this stuff, could you recommend a compatible (and obviously good) bottomless porta filter and precision filter basket that would work for this machine? What is the difference with the filter baskets?
I was expecting a price point to be a bit lower as this is being compared to a GCP… at $1300 this is a deal breaker for sure. I just picked up a new GCP from Amazon for $350 this past Memorial Day. I’ll gladly spend an extra $150 and add my own PID. Thanks for the awesome review on this though!
Great machine. The inclusion of a timer in the PID display is an interesting bonus as well. While more than dbl. the Gaggia Pro price it seems extremely well thought out. at 17" it might be a little too deep for some counters though? What's the depth of the base (not incl the portafilter overhang)?
@@LifestyleLab_ According to a video from Gail at Seattle Coffee they don't actually recommend using the steamer and boiler at the same time as you're likely to blow a 15A breaker.
this product seems great, However, if they truly wanted to compete with the GCP They need to be priced lower, for this price I could get a GCP to upgrade it and get a few cans of spray paint. Hell I could get a silvia
I am not too sure what SCG is thinking. They already have the Rancilio Silvia PID Espresso Machine for $1,159, so why bother with this one for $1,299? The only real difference I see between the two is that the Rancilio is not a heat exchange unit. As for me, if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the Rancillo and wait awhile longer for steamed drinks. I also think this should be under a thousand dollars if they want to move the unit.
This is not a heat exchanger either. It is a boiler + a separate thermoblock for steaming. The Mio is a much smoother workflow than a Silvia with PID. Also has a pressure gauge, the external OPV adjustment, no burn steam wand, better drip tray… lots of little differences that I think definitely make it worth an extra $150
@@LifestyleLab_ Understood about the points you are making, but I still think it should be priced less. The Sylvia is such a well known name in the espresso world that I doubt the Mio at its present price point would entice potential customers to choose it when there's the Sylvia for less money. But that is only my take of it.
The Profitec GO is a single boiler which won’t have as good as a workflow as this when it comes to making milk based drinks. Build quality however is superior on the Profitec. Up to you which features you value more
@Skip Brewer okay, that is a TERRIBLE video… the guy says that pressure and temperature adjustments don’t really make an impact on extraction. He also says you need to flush the group head before streaming… both false. I stopped watching after that. Whoever that “reviewer” is needs to have a better understanding of his machine and espresso before putting out opinions on the internet. The Profitec is a MUCH better machine and overall package than the Gaggia from a built quality and feature set perspective. If you don’t care about the added features, the Gaggia is still an GREAT machine for the money! Unbeatable at that price point, but this Profitec is better…
@@LifestyleLab_ awesome, thank you! Looks like a nice machine! A bit tempted, but I do really enjoy what the auto milk steaming feature of the Breville Bambino Plus does for my workflow (being able to clean up while the milk is steaming is pretty nice)
Because they’re completely separate functions, and most would argue PID is more important Pre-infusion involves automating control over the pump, while PID controls the heating element.
@@LifestyleLab_ I see. I was under the impression that the PID controller also controlled pre infusion for some reason. Is it controlled by a separate piece of hardware and the timing of it is just accessed through the same screen on machines that have both?
This is a Quickmill as it’s base, like I said in the video. Differences are in the layout, appearance, certain upgrades options, and the internal components to make it easier to service down the line :)
@@LifestyleLab_ Totally fair. I think I'm mostly just wondering, "is this still uncomfortable, or is the problem a non-issue at that point?" Appreciate you taking the time 🙏
Can't really recommend it to you without knowing your use case and paired equipment / budget. I've given you all the information in this video to make an informed decision
Engineers for coffee machines what are y'all doing fr, I am starting to believe if you can't land a proper job in ID you just clone yet another espresso machine. (joke ofc but yeah... engineers man, please man, with the tech and manufacturer today you can really make a super good and cheap espresso machine!!!!!)Btw this is just a quickmill rebrand l0l
This looks like a really nice machine to be sure but are Gaggia buyers really cross shopping this device? The price points are WAY off. There are other $1,200 machines that I think will get cross shopped instead. I would be worried about resale with this unit and for that reason wont consider it.
@@LifestyleLab_ Well ok ,but you did bring up the Gaggia a lot compared to this unit which to me implied that a person might consider the Gaggia or this machine. It's a good video but that is exactly how it came across to me. Someone who is actively looking to buy a machine right now.
I love your content and detailed videos, but lets be honest. Same boiler size and functionality, same switch to turn off steam pump, same front grouphead OPV adjustment, same side loading water tank, same dimensions, same PID functionality, reduced cup clearance by 1/4" and reduced clearance of the steam wand for $100 more than the Silvano Evo. The only reason to buy this over the Silvano Evo is the looks, which is fine, but let's be honest that they are 95% similar.
The Steel Duo which would be the comparison point is almost $500 more expensive. It will have faster steaming, and programmable shot volumes, so if those are important to you then maybe worth the premium :)
@@LifestyleLab_ Here in France the Steel Uno is at the same price as the Diletta, and the duo is only 150 more expensive. Frankly speaking, the Uno is more than enough 99% of the time for a family use.
It essentially undercuts the Ascaso on price by having a less flashy finish, and the same features. BUT the Mio is using a traditional brew boiler instead of a thermoblock, so it will have better thermal accuracy
Lelit machines are better and cheaper. For example Lelit Elizabeth, dual boiler, more settings. This is very expensive for functionality and quality. It should be around 500$.
Maybe in 1920 this was impressive but really. A decent costs about 400 usd to manufactuer, even with r and d, a huge scam, biggest scam rn: espresso machines! Grinders okay, they are fairly prices becuse of precision and other reasons, BUT if you guys knew how SIMPLE all espresso machines were... this is really sad tbh, I am just waiting for a hero man, that one company that says, you know what, play time is over.
Heat up time of more than 2-3 minutes is a Joke IMHO for ANY design for the home, literally tech from the 1800s-1900s... really just not good at all! Honestly some company needs to release a coffee machine that is just up to date, if you guys knew how cheap it is to build a GOOD espresso machine...
The boiler takes 2-3 minutes, it’s the surrounding metal that takes longer to heat up to the appropriate temperature for stable brewing. Yes, you can add active heaters, but that will of course add cost and a failure point
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I’m currently shopping for an entry level machine and am focusing on the GCP. This looked great up until I saw the price point. At that price, it seems silly that they couldn’t give us a few more inches of clearance under the group head and a better designed drip tray.
I’d be more likely to get a gcp or Silvia and add PID and flow control to it.
This does definitely seem like a great value for people who don’t want to mod their machines though!
Dunno, it feels like a less advanced version of the Breville dual boiler at a higher price point with compromises around the steam wand and cup clearance. It is nice to see a more thought out machine rather than just another slapped together e61 though.
Interesting to see Seattle Coffee Gear shaking things up like this.. great review as always!
For sure!
It was neat to hear their thought process behind the features they did and didn’t include, based on what they find customers typically care about most
Hmmmm as a the profitec go is the more polished looking machine but this at it's sale price of 1099 currently from seattle coffee gear just has so any more features that are super desirable like the dual wall burn safe steam wand the side loading tank the separate steam function and the pid. Also being able to steam at the same time is a big thing. What a hard choice to make.
It is definitely a tough choice between those two, but I really believe you'll be happy with either. Both bringing great value
Great video. All the Pro's and Con's with no wasted breath, no wasted time..... Straight-up.... thank you. Very professional.
So the Mio…. A boiler for water, a separate thermoblock for steam. A pressure gauge *and* a PID. An easily accessible and adjustable OPV. Does the PID adjust to single degrees? The vid showed it going ten degrees per button push. Looks like the only missing element is manual flow control, which would allow for pre-infusion. That can be added for ten bucks; wonder why they omitted it.
I was about to say that it looks alot like a new version of the Quickmill Orione, but makes sense when it's made by Quickmill. It's much cheaper than having specific parts and shapes to for every machine.
Currently i have a Quickmill 2820 thermoblock machine at home and am really happy with it. I didn't want a boiler, because i think that it's not worth for a single person house hold to get a boiler to heat up 1l of water each time while only needing 2dl of water.
This is the Quick Mill Pippa with added features. Excellent option for those wanting PID and to concurrently steam and brew.
Yes that is true. The same is true for the Bello it is a rebranded quick mill Rubino . I don’t blame them though whole latte love did the same thing with the pathfinder. I actually have the path finder with flow control.
The Mio looks more like a Quick Mill Silvano imo, with an Ascaso style PID. Cool combo tho
Wow! This is really tempting over the Gaggia Classic Pro. You have a PID, OPV regulation. Fantastic review. Thank you.
Couple of questions:
1. Any solutions for the drip tray to fit a scale and a cup? Bottomless portafilter?
2. Does it have an option of Celsius on the PID.
Right? I think the Gaggia Classic Pro PRO analogy is spot on (if I do say so myself)
1. Yes, a bottomless portafilter would definitely solve the clearance issue. Usually a good strategy for machines like this
2. Yes, you can switch the display to Celsius
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you so much for your replies.
For me, this is not a GCP killer. It's a Silvia killer. Its priced competitively with SCG's Silvia w/ PID, but the PID is built in instead of aftermarket and offers simultaneous brewing and steaming. Looks like its designed to target the Ascaso Duo too. This machine is just too expensive to be in the same bracket as the GCP.
Not comparing it to the GCP, just making an analogy. The competition is mentioned in the conclusion :)
silvia killer? haha thats a good one
I would rather empty my drip tray every day (I do it already on my Barista Express) and have more clearance/shorter tray than not be able to fit most cups under the spouts, very weird design choice. Overall though, for the price, really tempting.
Looks like an updated Quick Mill Silvano with updates
At this price point, a comparison to something like the Lelit Mara X, Ascaso Steel UNO PID / DREAM PID or the ECM Classika PID would be more interesting than a comparison to the way way waaay cheaper GCP.
The two questions would be, how the overall feature-set compares to them and (most importantly) how much better will my espresso taste for 3x the money of a GCP?
(The combination of the optional thermoblock for steaming and a big-boiler-single-boiler is an idea I really like)
As a Gaggia owner, 1000% agree. Was impressed with the machine, but missed the price (if he mentioned). When I clicked the link, I was floored. I paid half that amount, and in Australian Dollars.
This wasn’t intended as a comparison to the GCP, I was make an analogy about the feature set and the mythical “Gaggia Classic PRO” people always say they would love to see (PID, and dual boiler)
The true competition in terms of feature set is the Ascaso Steel Duo, and somewhat the Rancilio Silvia Pro X as mention in the conclusion.
A GCP with the same grinder, OPV mod, and proper temperature surfing routine can achieve the same quality espresso as any of these machines. The asking price for the higher end stuff comes primarily in terms of convenience, not huge drink quality leaps. The GCP is a great machine for the money for this reason.
Pro Pro? Maybe Pro + ? Like this review. I moved from a prosumer E60 HX machine to a more consumer friendly Lelit Elizabeth. I really like what these companies are doing by adding features which hobbyists really want.
The Mio is a Quick Mill Silvano with a slightly different body and PID. It's nice but I am not sure of why they changed the drip tray (the Silvano has a handle that makes removing the tray/drawer much easily). And it's a little more expensive than the Silvano, but many may prefer this new look more than the original.
That's interesting. I hadn't heard of the Silvano and just recently purchased the Mio. After watching this video and looking at the Silvano I think I still prefer the Mio, though I do wish they would've taken another 1/2" off the drip tray to let the steam arm move more easily and to accomodate cups with scales better.
Looks like a Quick Mill Pippa
Great job on this video - I'd love to see more explanation on how the thermal block + single boiler combo really works, that's definitely the most interesting feature this machine has to me.
Interesting, because in the Seattle Coffee review they specifically say you should not brew and steam at the same time amid concerns off blowing a fuse.
Depends what the circuits in your kitchen are rated to, that’s the whole point of a fuse! :)
Nice Review! Would love to see a quick peek at the internals next time.
Comparing this to a GCP is not really valid. It's basically a home brand QM Silvano Evo...
It is a house brand Quickmill… Why does that make the comparison any less valid?
@@LifestyleLab_ ok, maybe I didn't word that correctly. Obviously you can make a valid comparison to any espresso machine, but to me it would make more sense to compare it to a similar type machine: boiler + thermoblock (Ascaso, Breville, QuickMill,...) instead of a single boiler machine.
I wasn’t really comparing it to another machine, I was just trying to put its feature set in terms of another better-known machine, ie the Gaggia Classic Pro PRO analogy.
In the conclusion I mention two machines it ACTUALLY competes with, being the Ascaso Steel Duo, and Silvia Pro X :)
Head to head comparison videos to come
My only thing i dont understand is why couldn’t they just shrink the drip down like a 1/4 inch. It would fix all the problems i have with it
From what I understand, QM uses proprietary portafilter holders and baskets for their thermoblock machines, that has to be one of the worst business decisions you can make on a prosumer espresso machine.
The PID and consistent temperature are a major selling point....but the height...hmmm I guess they really went pure Italian espresso height; 1/2 inch taller would have been nice.
Appears to be a slightly modified version of Quick Mills Silvano Evo. Interesting.
My first thought, would be interesting to see a side by side comparison
This looks like a Quick Mill Pippa to me with some extra features and some build quality tradeoffs.
It should come with a bottomless At this price and should have the common upgrades included
I think all machines should have a no cost option to choose bottomless vs spouted :)
@@LifestyleLab_ very nice thought, agree
The Mia looks to be a very nice machine, but I'm into my Gaggia Pro (now modded into a "Gaggiuino") and bottomless portafilter cost less than $800.
I read spec and i dont like the non-brass boilers, i like the Bello but at that prices a rocket or emc its a better option. The mio is good for a beginer but if I had to choose I prefe the Gaggia clasica pro. My giaggia is 7 plus year old and works as good as my rocket
Debating between this and the Bello. It's going to be first espresso machine and I am basically getting it to make Cortados. I'm looking for something consistant and not too hard to use. Which would you go with and is the Bello that much better at the price difference?
The Bello is not better, it’s different.
It will have better steaming power for your cortados, but at the sacrifice of the PID temperature control on the brewing side.
Unless you’re in love with the classic E61 stying on the Bello, I’d go with the Mio instead :)
Silvano? Not that is bad. Very underrated machine. I like the angular front as it lightens the look a bit.
Yes that certainly seems to be the Quickmill that was used as the base for this custom build
Hot Take: SCG just need to hire you to make all their videos. 😅 Great review as always
Guess I’m moving to Seattle 🤷🏻♂️
@@LifestyleLab_ You’re welcome here any time!
Great video, thank you. I also watched your video on the Profitec Go, would you recommend this or the Profitec Go, based on your experience? Thank you again
Profitec if you’re doing espresso and the occasional latte just due to the improved external build quality and level of finishing
If you’re going to be making mainly milk drinks, then I’d recommend the Mio to avoid the workflow complications of a single boiler
I have a Gaggia Classic pro. How does the steaming performance compare?
Slightly faster, but not a considerable leap
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you. Please keep up with your quality unbiased reviews.
Thanks for watching, that’s what we do here!
Great review!! If I attached a paddle/twist handle to the adjustable OPV valve do you think I would be able to achieve some sort of “pressure profiling” with this machine?
While that’s an interesting idea! No, that wouldn’t be a safe way to accomplish a profiled shot. The adjustment isn’t built for that kind of manipulation
To me is very expensive, i thought it was gonna be around Silvia Price. For that kind of money, the ECM casa v seems like a much more refined option
You’ll be getting better build quality with that ECM without a doubt, but will be losing important features, mainly the PID. There’s always a trade off :)
honestly to me it more looks like a Rancillio Silvia PID mixed with Ascaso
I can't get a creama on my Dilletta Mio. How can I get a creama? I've adjusted boiler to 9bar but just a tiny creama that disappears after 10 seconds????
Crema has nothing to do with the machine, it's how fresh your beans are. If you're using stale supermarket beans, you won't get Crema. Period
Are hot water spouts not a common feature? My wife and I drink americanos every morning and that small feature is such an important one for me, but it doesn't seem as commonplace as I would've thought.
Not as commonplace as I’d like either unfortunately. But plenty of good options out there with them :)
I’d love to see a review for the bellezza bellona espresso machine. It is a new dual boiler that has very interesting price tag.
Maybe I’ll ask Kyle if he still has one lying around 🤔
6:32 temperature stability should be most affected by the boiler size. When brewing coffee, around 40ml cold water goes into the boiler. So the amount of hot water inside affects the temperature. Does that make the boiler position a less important factor?
Most machines are not pulling cold water into the boiler while brewing. After the shot, you’ll hear the pump kick on a second time. This is the machine refilling the boiler after the shot / steaming session. So the phenomenon you’re describing doesn’t actually occur
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks. I'm using Rancilio Silvia. I noticed when brewing, the vibration pump actually is pumping and the water tank level is going down. I'm not sure if this is the case for Mio
I've never heard a single boiler that refills its boiler after the shot. This is not true from my experience. They fill it up during the shot
@@ai5506 I agree. Not only single boiler. Maybe all pumped machines refill during the shot. I can only speak for the single boiler and heat exchanges I've used.
@seattledude: well HEX machines do refill the steam boiler if needed, so there could be the pump running while not pulling a shot. but lifestylelab is still wrong
Does anyone perhaps know what shower screen the mio has? I’m looking to upgrade to an IMS screen but can’t seem to find the exact stats.
how does this compare to the Profitec Go? is the $200 price difference justified?
It’s a different machine than the Profitec. Dual heating systems vs single boiler being the biggest one. Build quality is much better in the Profitec, steaming power is better BUT only once the boiler is up to temp. Comes down to workflow and what you value more!
2 questions: is there an option to show the temperature in Celsius? And is there a filter in the water reservoir?hopefully v2 of the machine will be a couple of inches taller. I can’t imagine eyeballing a shot without a scale, or going solely by shot time.
Yes, you can switch to Celsius, yes there is a filter on the end of the intake tubes.
I agree, I’d love to see some better cup clearance. A bottomless portafilter is a good play if you’re going with this machine!
Love your detailed reviews. Can you do a video on the Quick Mill Pippa?
My 2 cents, for $1000 I would expect a PID that the pippa lacks
Since this is a Quick Mill produced machine, it might have Quick Mill's pulsor attached to the pump to reduce noise.
Very interesting! I’ve never heard of that because I’m not super familiar with Quickmill. I’ll look into it, thanks for sharing!
@@LifestyleLab_ The pulsor is like a very small rubber expansion tank. It's also a relatively easy mod for ULKA pump machines, so it could in theory be fitted to your Rocket ;)
More than likely, yes! I have one in my Pippa! By far, it is the quietest vibe pump machine I have used.
Yeesh, that price for this. The cup clearance is just a deal breaker. It may not be the purist option, but for that price, I'd be going with a breville and gaining a bunch of flexibility.
Great review, thanks. I just bought one of these and it will be my first espresso machine. Other than a bottomless porta filter, is there anything else worth buying to get more out of this (accessories, upgrades, etc)?
A precision filter basket is always a good idea now or further down the line :)
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the reply, for someone who knows nothing about this stuff, could you recommend a compatible (and obviously good) bottomless porta filter and precision filter basket that would work for this machine? What is the difference with the filter baskets?
Clive Coffee Co has this stuff called "grindz" and it's a way to clean our bean grinders! Was new to me and you might like it as well♡
I was expecting a price point to be a bit lower as this is being compared to a GCP… at $1300 this is a deal breaker for sure. I just picked up a new GCP from Amazon for $350 this past Memorial Day. I’ll gladly spend an extra $150 and add my own PID. Thanks for the awesome review on this though!
Exactly, if the idea was to compete against the GCP, 3x the price is way too much
I don’t think the idea was to compete against the GCP, that was just an analogy I was making
@@LifestyleLab_You must be over typing out this same reply to everyone. Just change the title.
Looks like a Ascaso Steel (Duo/Uno) PID
I looked through the description and comments first but don’t think I saw it, but will the Delitta Bello review be coming next?
Yes it will :)
Great machine. The inclusion of a timer in the PID display is an interesting bonus as well. While more than dbl. the Gaggia Pro price it seems extremely well thought out. at 17" it might be a little too deep for some counters though? What's the depth of the base (not incl the portafilter overhang)?
I guess if someone knows what people what in an espresso machine, it’s probably the people who sell them every day, haha
@@LifestyleLab_ According to a video from Gail at Seattle Coffee they don't actually recommend using the steamer and boiler at the same time as you're likely to blow a 15A breaker.
this product seems great, However, if they truly wanted to compete with the GCP They need to be priced lower, for this price I could get a GCP to upgrade it and get a few cans of spray paint. Hell I could get a silvia
Not meant as a GCP competitor, that’s just an analogy I was making. Competitive machines with the same feature set are mentioned in the conclusion :)
Which would you recommend between this and the Ascaso steel uno?
Between those two, I would go with this
I am not too sure what SCG is thinking. They already have the Rancilio Silvia PID Espresso Machine for $1,159, so why bother with this one for $1,299? The only real difference I see between the two is that the Rancilio is not a heat exchange unit. As for me, if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the Rancillo and wait awhile longer for steamed drinks. I also think this should be under a thousand dollars if they want to move the unit.
This is not a heat exchanger either. It is a boiler + a separate thermoblock for steaming.
The Mio is a much smoother workflow than a Silvia with PID. Also has a pressure gauge, the external OPV adjustment, no burn steam wand, better drip tray… lots of little differences that I think definitely make it worth an extra $150
@@LifestyleLab_ Understood about the points you are making, but I still think it should be priced less. The Sylvia is such a well known name in the espresso world that I doubt the Mio at its present price point would entice potential customers to choose it when there's the Sylvia for less money. But that is only my take of it.
Looks interesting but the spout height and weird steam arm seem like huge oversights on a device custom designed by coffee people.
is it better than ECM go? it costs more and I don’t think it’s better. Am I wrong?
The Profitec GO is a single boiler which won’t have as good as a workflow as this when it comes to making milk based drinks.
Build quality however is superior on the Profitec. Up to you which features you value more
Interesting 🤨
What did he miss about the Gaggia? I can’t think I’ve anything the Profitec doesn’t do much much better
@Skip Brewer okay, that is a TERRIBLE video… the guy says that pressure and temperature adjustments don’t really make an impact on extraction. He also says you need to flush the group head before streaming… both false. I stopped watching after that.
Whoever that “reviewer” is needs to have a better understanding of his machine and espresso before putting out opinions on the internet.
The Profitec is a MUCH better machine and overall package than the Gaggia from a built quality and feature set perspective. If you don’t care about the added features, the Gaggia is still an GREAT machine for the money! Unbeatable at that price point, but this Profitec is better…
I need the Mio in my life 😍
Really REALLY nice machine. Will add this to my list as Im about to buy a new machine in the next few weeks. Thank u so much for this review...
Thanks for watching! Good luck with your purchase research!
What kind of bottomless portafilter would be compatible with this machine?
It’s not a proprietary group head, so any standard 58mm portafilter :)
How’s the clearance if you use a bottomless portafilter? Also, is it 58mm?
Yes, it’s a standard 58mm portafilter / group head (4:26)
The clearance is much more usable with a bottomless :)
@@LifestyleLab_ awesome, thank you! Looks like a nice machine! A bit tempted, but I do really enjoy what the auto milk steaming feature of the Breville Bambino Plus does for my workflow (being able to clean up while the milk is steaming is pretty nice)
So this falls in a new configuration of “Boiler-Block” category?
Should we coin that phase? 🤔
Absolutely. Love it
I have seen some machines before that have a PID but no pre infusion. Why is that?
Because they’re completely separate functions, and most would argue PID is more important
Pre-infusion involves automating control over the pump, while PID controls the heating element.
@@LifestyleLab_ I see. I was under the impression that the PID controller also controlled pre infusion for some reason. Is it controlled by a separate piece of hardware and the timing of it is just accessed through the same screen on machines that have both?
Correct, a PID is not the screen itself. A PID is a Proportional Integral Derivative controller
can you set preinfusion on this mashine?
No, there is not an adjustable pre-infusion
Will you release another video for the other machine that was behind you?
Yes! Stay tuned :)
Isn't this almost a carbon copy of the quick mill silvano evo? Seeing very little difference between the two
This is a Quickmill as it’s base, like I said in the video. Differences are in the layout, appearance, certain upgrades options, and the internal components to make it easier to service down the line :)
Slap a dimmer on that vibe pump and you're pressure profiling on the cheap
Is the portafilter to be changed? I do not like that style as much
You can change to any 58mm portafilter you like :)
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the fast reply!
Any time :)
Really enjoyed this machine. Had a great combo of features and price point
How's the clearance with a naked portafilter, though?
Precisely one spout height better
@@LifestyleLab_ 🤣I mean of course... thanks for the virtual slap on the forehead.
Haha, glad you appreciated my non-exact answer 😂
Went and measured a bottomless I have vs the spouted that comes with the Mio. You gain about 1.25”
@@LifestyleLab_ Totally fair. I think I'm mostly just wondering, "is this still uncomfortable, or is the problem a non-issue at that point?" Appreciate you taking the time 🙏
Would be a non-issue with a bottomless 👍
Not clear if you really recommended the Mio unit
Can't really recommend it to you without knowing your use case and paired equipment / budget. I've given you all the information in this video to make an informed decision
Seems like you could pretty easily make that bathtub sized drip tray smaller, and provide another 1/4 or 1/2 inch clearance under the spouts that way.
Engineers for coffee machines what are y'all doing fr, I am starting to believe if you can't land a proper job in ID you just clone yet another espresso machine. (joke ofc but yeah... engineers man, please man, with the tech and manufacturer today you can really make a super good and cheap espresso machine!!!!!)Btw this is just a quickmill rebrand l0l
It’s mentioned in the first two minutes of the video that this is much more than a “rebrand”
It look just like the Quick Mill Silvano
It is a Quickmill… it also isn’t a Quickmill!
profitec go vs diletta mio please 🙏🏽
I guess with being developed in America, it doesn't come in 240V ?
I doubt it, but swing a question over to the Seattle Coffee Gear team just to double check!
Just take the drip tray out, more clearance.
And do what with the solenoid and OPV outlets… 🤔
1400 is not an entry level machine at all. And I see zero problem with that drip tray.
Jeff knows best 👍
This looks like a really nice machine to be sure but are Gaggia buyers really cross shopping this device? The price points are WAY off. There are other $1,200 machines that I think will get cross shopped instead. I would be worried about resale with this unit and for that reason wont consider it.
I never implied the GCP and this were cross shopped. Some main competitors (although more expensive) are mentioned in the conclusion
@@LifestyleLab_ Well ok ,but you did bring up the Gaggia a lot compared to this unit which to me implied that a person might consider the Gaggia or this machine. It's a good video but that is exactly how it came across to me. Someone who is actively looking to buy a machine right now.
It's literally a Quick Mill Silvano Evo... nothing new.
Except there’s a lot of differences in the layout, build, hardware, steam arm….
I love your content and detailed videos, but lets be honest. Same boiler size and functionality, same switch to turn off steam pump, same front grouphead OPV adjustment, same side loading water tank, same dimensions, same PID functionality, reduced cup clearance by 1/4" and reduced clearance of the steam wand for $100 more than the Silvano Evo. The only reason to buy this over the Silvano Evo is the looks, which is fine, but let's be honest that they are 95% similar.
They absolutely are! It is the same base machine after all
not good for scale. It is hard to mod for low drip tray
This Diletta seems very expensive for what it offers IMO.
I'd rather go for a ASCASO Steel Uno or Duo PID.
The Steel Duo which would be the comparison point is almost $500 more expensive. It will have faster steaming, and programmable shot volumes, so if those are important to you then maybe worth the premium :)
@@LifestyleLab_ Here in France the Steel Uno is at the same price as the Diletta, and the duo is only 150 more expensive. Frankly speaking, the Uno is more than enough 99% of the time for a family use.
Up to personal preference :)
When steaming lots, I personally wouldn’t be able to deal with a single boiler setup permanently
@@LifestyleLab_ I understand. I this case, I'll get a look on the Lelit Elisabeth side (around 1100€ here).
its look more like rancilio silvia dual boiler
Appearance-wise?
@@LifestyleLab_ yes when i see it i see rancilio.
Ascaso dual PID…?
You do state it as undercutting the Ascaso, but they look remarkably similar in many (all) respects
It essentially undercuts the Ascaso on price by having a less flashy finish, and the same features. BUT the Mio is using a traditional brew boiler instead of a thermoblock, so it will have better thermal accuracy
Thanks for the reply
This is a Profitec Go for $400 more.
Except not… completely different boiler configurations
1400 is not a bargain
Nice
10-minute review, not a single cup of espresso brewed. LOL
Pretty sure there were many shots of espresso shown pulling in this video…
this machine looks like knockoff version of Lelit Victoria.
Lelit machines are better and cheaper. For example Lelit Elizabeth, dual boiler, more settings. This is very expensive for functionality and quality. It should be around 500$.
So this should cost the same as a GCP even though it has a PID, two heating systems, shot timer, better steam arm... ?
@@LifestyleLab_ no, but not double ofcourse.
Elizabeth is currently $1799 new, $500 MORE EXPENSIVE than the Mio.
Maybe in 1920 this was impressive but really. A decent costs about 400 usd to manufactuer, even with r and d, a huge scam, biggest scam rn: espresso machines! Grinders okay, they are fairly prices becuse of precision and other reasons, BUT if you guys knew how SIMPLE all espresso machines were... this is really sad tbh, I am just waiting for a hero man, that one company that says, you know what, play time is over.
Want to see what happens when engineers get out of their depth in terms of mass production?
ruclips.net/video/GKA2COJRt6M/видео.html
Heat up time of more than 2-3 minutes is a Joke IMHO for ANY design for the home, literally tech from the 1800s-1900s... really just not good at all! Honestly some company needs to release a coffee machine that is just up to date, if you guys knew how cheap it is to build a GOOD espresso machine...
The boiler takes 2-3 minutes, it’s the surrounding metal that takes longer to heat up to the appropriate temperature for stable brewing. Yes, you can add active heaters, but that will of course add cost and a failure point