Should you upgrade from Gaggia Classic Pro to Profitec Go
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- Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2022
- Update, we finally decided to sell the Profitec Go... If you are interested in it, it's currently listed on eBay :) ebay.us/ZKmr3N
See my unboxing of the Gaggia Classic Pro V2 with improved shower plate etc: • From Profitec Go to Ga...
My personal opinion on whether you should upgrade to Profitec Go if you are currently using a Gaggia Classic Pro and is happy with the drinks it makes.
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What a very honest and informative review. Thank you.
The most rational video about espresso machine I have ever seen. Thank you!
after long deliberation and going back and forth to what machine to get, I decided to go with the Rancilio Pro X BUT thanks so much for all the info you provided for us.
I wanted to return this unit for a Pro X but customer service just ignored my return request and now I"m pass the return date...
@@TheGizmoGarage ouch. I'm sure that you can still get the best out of this machine. ☺️ You have already invested on it and were able to make great shots. ☺️
@@ItsMeJeki Couple hundred shots later, no complain about shot quality :) Enjoy your Pro X
I love the logical conclusion you've come to between these machines..In my experiences I've found that the biggest upgrade one could make is from single boiler vibratory pump,to a dual boiler rotary pump..The rotary pump delivers much better and consistent pressures..Coffee is so subjective and if you are a person that primarily uses the same med/dark roast beans or even the same bean period or if you primarily drink milk based drinks,then you're probably going to find that you're getting diminishing returns after spending so much more on a machine or even a grinder..
I think that most people who fall into the category I listed would do fine with a Gaggia Classic Pro and a Smart Grinder Pro or Rancilio Rocky etc..But like I stated above,there does seem to be a significant difference between a single boiler vibratory pump machine and a dual boiler rotary pump machine..Even a heat exchanger machine is an upgrade..
Best coffee comment ever hands down! Italian/American espresso machine tech of 26 years approved lmao 🎉
I upgraded my Gaggia to Ikea Thermometer to watch temp , steam wand single hole tip and 155c steam control from shadeofcoffee , 3D ABS lower drip tray from local print studio,, 9 bar spring from online seller. It is amazing now.
Awesome!!
I think how much you will be able to enjoy the benefits of this machine depends upon how often you switch beans and want to dial them in to your taste preferences or play around with different style shots.
If you generally are already in a good temperature range, don’t struggle with channeling and are able to pull decent shots (which also largely depends on the grinder you have), you will not see a huge increase in shot quality. However, if you struggle with channeling and shots are overly sour or bitter even though you‘re able to produce a shot according to recipe, dialing down pressure will decrease channeling and having more certainty about temperature will give you more control over shot quality.
Still, I agree that temperature is really a lower ranked factor for me as well. I have a group thermometer on my E61 machine and also I don’t taste much of a difference as long as the temperature is not sub 88 or above 95 degrees centigrade.
Completely agree on the actual needs of individuals
Thank you very much for making my life easier
Just to clarify your video about the Go being a resource hog, before steaming you do indeed have to do two 5-second purges, but these purges are NOT done through the group, they are done through the steam wand. I use a pyrex measuring cup for this and once the water cools off I pour it back in the water tank. So bottom line, it doesn’t waste excess water and it doesn’t require you to empty your drip tray more often. I also upgraded from a Gaggia Classic Pro and I’m very happy with my decision, mostly because I can now drink lighter roast coffees (which I prefer) with confidence that they are being brewed at a higher temperature. There are also several programming features that I believe make this machine more pleasurable to use. And then there are the aesthetics, which of course are subjective, but I find the Go to be a more robust, more industrial and generally better looking machine than the Classic. Is it worth 2x the price? It’s still under $1,000. To me, definitely yes.
I told my wife about conserving the water out from steaming wand, she'll probably start doing it.
Where in your thoughts would you think the 5 second purges are through the group head?
@@kenroman777 I didn't think they were through the group. My understanding is that they are done through the steam wand. The video above suggested they were done through the group.
I appreciate your honest review and agree with you. Blind tastes with a Lamarzocco confirmed the GCP (9 bar spring, shower screen mod) taste quality.
So when do you need to purge. Every time before steaming????
Thanks for the update, I have a Gaggia Classic Pro with a few mods but, I had been looking at the Go with a some envy. Looks like I will stick with the Gaggia, that little aluminium boiler, with a couple of powerful heating elements strapped to the side, is hard to beat for heat up time and transition to steaming.
Better upgrade would probably be a dual boiler, unless you like playing with lighter roasting beans.
@@ia9676 15 min for 2 cups of latte a day :) We have it on a timer so when we wake up it starts to pre-heat.
The PID, the gauge, the OPV adjustment are all very nice features that, I agree, probably aren't that useful. For me, the selling point is the boiler size. Going from 100ml to 400ml means more pressure and for longer than my GCP. After the OPV upgrade to my GCP, keeping the boiler full at the time of steaming is a pain in my ass and I don't feel like dealing with it anymore.
I have it and has been the best upgrade imaginable from the classic pro. Light roast coffee comes through so much more clear! PID and pressure adjustment are HUGE quality of life upgrades. I get that not everybody will use them or understand how those small changes can have a major impact on the flavor and mouthfeel of your shots so they feel. Stepping into a completely metal water path and brass boiler with the features mentioned already and you cant find anything in this price range that even remotely compares. At this price point its hard to compete and the classic pro is not even playing the same game.
Glad you liked it, yes with fancy beans this will definitely bring characters out from them.
This Modified Gaggia Classic Pro plays a better game than the Go, Daily Cortado Workflow
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This helped, thanks! I'll stick with my Gaggia.
Gaggia is great!
Thank you for sharing your honest thoughts! I’m a sage berista express owner considering upgrading. If I would only know will coffee taste better?😅
That's very subjective and really depending's on a lot of factors: roast level/freshness, grinder quality, grinding size. For us... No our shots tasted the same between Gaggia and Profitec, but from a entry level automatic machine to manual espresso machines, I'd say you will in general elevate the espresso taste due to the fact they use proper size portafilters.
Have you had any performance issues with the GO (as far as things not working properly or service related)? I think I'm going to go with the GO over the GCP. I'm sure either would work fine, but I like the thought that as I get more experienced at my espresso making that the GO will be able to grow with me better than the Gaggia. Your input is appreciated.
No performance issue with Go as of today, dead reliable.
This is a pretty specific “review” from your limited use case.
Implying that brewing pressure and temperature don’t impact taste is misleading to say the least. A larger boiler will take far longer to heat up, this this not surprising. Water usage on the GO is not more than any other single boiler. Purging a steam arm does not fill up a drip tray. Workflow on the GO is much faster than on a Gaggia…
I’m just a little confused by the information you’re putting out to perspective buyers.
Thank you for your input, yes this is indeed a "personal opinion video" based on specific usage pattern of our household, if someone else is somehow in the same shoe as me, upgrading to this machine had not improved neither the speed nor taste of espresso drinks for us.
A PID is great, but I am not much of a tinkerer when it comes to espresso. I just want it to work normally out of the box...9 bars of pressure and an appropriate temperature every time. Set it and forget it.
The new Evo Pro brews at 9 bars out of the box, so you don't have to mod it and risk voiding your warranty. I am not sure about the temperature since there’s no PID, but A) it's much cheaper than the Profitec Go and B) you can always add a PID later if you want to and still come out ahead in terms of cost.
The Profitec Go looks like an excellent machine, but the price is a bit steep by comparison. If it were $700 instead of $1000, it might be worth it.
....interesting review, after the honeymoon period.... XD .... Appreciate the honesty! ;-) So basically, what you're saying is buy whatever good quality coffee machine is on sale, use good coffee and grinder.... experiment a bit and you'll get great coffee.... no need to get into the "equipment rabbit hole".... Thanks for the review!
Yep!
Do you notice a bend in the middle bottom of the machine? I think there's a design flaw with how the drip tray shell attaches to the body of the main unit. It's built like a toaster using formed sheet metal, so the weight from the front of the unit is torquing against the somewhat thin metal that the tray shell is screwed into.
What exactly is happening to your Profitec Go? Have you contacted Profitec or your reseller? I have one and noticed that when I put the Portafilter in and turn it, the top of the machine kind of twists as if the metal cabinet might not be thick/strong enough. I had a Rancilio Silvia v2 prior to upgrading and it was built like a tank.
My gaggia classic pro also twists, I think it's just the design of the espresso machines in general.
I ended up going through two units with severely bent sheet metal on the drip tray attachment points. Third unit was ordered from a different vendor and didn't have the same issue. There may have been damage from shipping. I notice the portafilter mount is not completely level, but functionally the machine has been fine for a few months.
Just wanted to say thank you for your videos. I recently bought a new machine and was choosing between the Sylvia, Bezzera Hobby and Profitech Go. I had been using a Gaggia Baby Twin for over 10 years and since I pulled uniformly great shots all this time I would probably never have upgraded. But a few weeks ago it died on me and I live in Brazil so hard to get repaired/parts. Anyway I did go with the Profitech Go and your videos were really helpful to get a feel of the machine and decide whether it was for me. It's a great machine and I'm sorry you sound disappointed in this video - hope you get a lot of good use out of it anyway.
Enjoy your machine, it is very capable, just doesn't suit our busy lifestyle with just one beans.
Same thing as me, I also live in Brazil and got a Profitec Go, I'm pretty satisfied with the purchase.
@@philipurquiza5184 yes me too, I brought mine back from Germany end Oct and I am very pleased indeed so far - especially since with the tax rebate I ended up paying quite a bit less than what they're selling the Gaggia Classic for here in Brazil ;-) I imagine there aren't too many Profitec Go's in Brazil yet...
Oi Hugo? Como você comprou uma profitec go no brazil? Comprei uma, mas fora e trouxe
@@hugemess eu vi aqui, desculpe. Eu ia comprar uma
Silvia v2, mas desisti. Preferi compra a profitec mesmo. O preço da silvia seria ainda maior. O Brasil é um caso sério… haha!
Hey! I just got a Go and saw your previous video about upgrades you were doing to the machine right away. You mention at the beginning of the video that you reverted back to some of the stock items but I was curious which specific upgrades you reverted back on and why? I know this is a year old video but hoping you see this. Thanks!
I switched between the stock shower plate and the IMS, and also found the stock Profitec Go double basket makes consistent shots. Kept the silicon ring on there vs the stock rubber one.
In the video you seem you seem to be saying upgrading the gasket and shower screen did not improve performance but did they make it worse? Why did you go back to the OEM parts?
Gasket helped putting in portafilter easier, shower screen didn't make a difference, I put them back in my drawer, may pull them out and put on the machine at a later time. Shower screen do look nice though.
Can you comment on temperature surfing on the GCP, that seems to be one of the main complaints?
When we had GCP never noticed any difference in taste, although we were mostly drinking Latte made using the espresso shots instead of drinking straight shots.
Upgraded from a 10 year old baby gaggia and love it
Enjoy!
Any suggestions on coffee grinder for the gaggia? I was looking in the eureka mignonette note price range - thanks
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I was told that the Eureka Mignon Facile is a nice grinder.
Look at the Turin PF64E- It's just for espresso and is an awesome single dose grinder
Thank-you
Welcome!
I'm looking to buy the profitec go. Already have niche grinder but no machine (still on moka pot). I'm looking for an option that will last me 7 or 10 years. Does this machine have potential? Does it feel sturdy enough?
It has potential, but my drip tray on this machine fall apart only after a few months... Internals seems to be durable and all parts are easily replaceable so yes, it does have potential to last 7-10 years with proper care.
I currently have a sage/breville barista express and I’m thinking the upgrade.. which machine would you recommend?
Both will be great. If you want simplicity, get the Gaggia, if you are a espresso snob and fancy better build quality and more temperature stability for more consistent espresso shots, get the Profitec Go (or spend more and get a dual boiler setup)
Does it not heat up fast enough between shots? Or does it not heat up fast enough initially?
Recovery is very quick between shots. It takes longer to heat-up during initial start up. We usually have it on Alexa controlled outlet so first thing when we wake up is to have it turned on to heat up. But with Gaggia, we just turn it up when we ready to make the shots, and it's ready usually in less than 3 min.
Thanks
Welcome
in your opinion classic evo pro is very nice upgrade and its better to buy it?
and if you want choose best entry level machine between this machines, which of them is?
gaggia classic evo pro
rancilio silvia v6
bezzera new hoby
beville bambino plus
ecm casa v
Evo pro without much thinking it’s easy convenient and affordable. Bambino looks nice and I would probably bought it for office desk if my work doesn’t have free coffee
Have you updated you Gaggia? Or just use it as it is from a shop?
Use as-is with no OPV/PID or any other upgrades, still loving it as is though.
Would you say if the Profitec was out when you got the Gaggia would you have still bought the Gaggia?
Yes I probably would bought Gaggia based on our needs: we are not picky about timing or grinding we just want to drink our latte and go to work 😅
As a beginner and looking for my first espresso machine, the Profitec Go seems appealing.
Reasons:
1. Profitec build quality reputation.
2. If I can set the temp and know that the pressure is correct, then it would be down to me dialing in my coffee. In this way, I could have some consistency with my shots. I understand that there are other variables.
Thoughts on that? Are there other important factors I'm not considering or am I overstating those values as compared to the Gaggia?
Thanks for any comments you can lend me!
You're not overstating them at all. I have the Go since October last year and the build quality is just sublime. The PID temperature control is also key for me as I often try out different coffee with different roasts and having consistent temperature and pressure, as well as the built in shot timer which I use basically every time I brew coffee.
@@andrejnaumovski8622 Thank you so much! I just got my PG and a Sette 270 grinder the other day and was dialing in yesterday. This was my first ever attempt at making my own espresso and i made a mess, lol. I finally got an OK shot. This morning, I had to adjust one more time and then I got a really nice shot and I was so excited and relieved that I could pull it off. I steamed some milk (working on that too), but made a terrific latte! I was all smiles this morning! Cheers!
@@paulmurphy6523 did the first shot very sour? Or bitter?
@@calangolima First shot was bitter. I adjusted to a courser grind. Then went back and forth till I got it dialed in. I'm making consistently great shots now.
On another note .... I just for the first time did a cleaning and it made a HUGE difference. Before, I was flushing after each shot, but the portafilter and the screen and group head area still needed a good cleaning. I was getting a bit of an unpleasant off flavor in the past two weeks, kinda sour-ish. I thought that I was not frothing my milk to a high enough temp. and it wasn't getting sweet. Turns out that cleaning was my problem. Huge difference. I'm going to do a cleaning each weekend now ... very easy to do.
How do you dispense hot water for an Americano?
You press brew button without a portafilter attached while putting a cup under brew head
why not just go with a superauto machine?
Personally I think it is only worth it it to upgrade to the Go if you're experimenting with lots of different coffees. Having the ability to change opv on the fly and temperature will be perfect for light roasts/single origins. If you drink the same coffee bean every single day just stick to the gaggia classic.
Agreed
I understand you say the Gaggia takes 3-4mins to warm up. How long does the profitec go actually take?
just tested and mine took 7.5 mins.
At least 7 min in warm weather, probably longer in colder weather.
If you surf the YT you will find there is chap who owned a Profitec he was not happy with it and downgraded to Gaggia Pro. Now he is happy with is Gaggia Pro. End of story.
Does the gaggia classic pro take way longer to heat up like 18 min vs 5 min
No, gaggia classic pro heats up to ready to brew in less than 4 min.
@lireviews is it harder to keep consistent temp with the gaggia, I hear people say the pid is nice for consistency between brews
I would like to see the cost of the pro compared to a gaggia upgraded to the same specs
Upgrades requires drilling and modifications... Probably around $200-300 difference. The Pro is pretty much perfect from get go without fancy upgrades.
Can you not sell the Profitec Go back and buy the Gaggia Classic Pro? The Profitec costs more. Unless you’re worried about selling it at a loss but it should be more than enough to buy the Classic Pro again.
It’s only been a few months so I don’t think you’ll be selling it for much of a loss.
Selling will definitely lose money, it makes great shots just takes bit longer so best option for us is to just keep till next upgrade
Well said. To me this machine is overpriced for what it offers. With the Profitec you pay for the name and build quality. But you don't see that in the cup. This leaves it in no-man's-land between a Gaggia and a Lelit MaraX. The latter which upgrades you up to an HX machine with flow control and can be had for only a little bit more money than the Profitec.
Not a little bit where I’m from. The Lelit Mara is $3800 NZD the Profitec Go is $2000 NZD. They produce exactly the same shots. Steaming is better on the Mara and it has a hot water dispenser. It would probably do better at 3+ back to back milk drinks. Go has better build quality, an accurate PID with timer and heats up in 30% of the time. The Mara is simply not worth the extra $. For me it’s the Profitec Go or just all out for a Bianca.
No, only a double boiler will give the consistency. The heat exhange machine and is better for pulling a lot of shots but temperature stability is not a good as dual boiler.
Gaggia pro will deliver the same results as the Go. Look at the Profitec Pro 300.
Thank you for saving me $1000 🎉🎉🎉
Profitec is playing with spec on this Go model
In term performance is nothing special
I stick with rancillio for now
They have added factory integrated PID that neither GCP or Silvia have. It's still single boiler so that doesn't change anything