Ampheta used me as Stock Footage back then to teach others combos... At least I got to his skill at some point, so it's fine by me to use that stuff. (I was WitherXGuard)
I used to agree with this until I realized that's what tipped arrows are for. Either that or have all unstackable items count as sixteen items in a bundle
It’s crazy that the devs don’t understand that changing combat would also improve PVE. Like there’s no way the game functions as a survival game with current enchants. There needs to be an overhaul to enchantments and potions. And that overhaul would likely include needing to fix tridents (especially in the context of the mace) and make netherite shields. Potentially nerf shields so normal enemies aren’t pointless. Like by the time you rebalance pve you’re mostly done with a pvp update
Because y'all keep insisting the game is something it isn't. It's a sandbox game of creativity, it's just you weirdos forcing it into a combat survival game that has an end, apparently, when that was NEVER its intention.
@@nachgeben I agree with you, but not fully. The game itself has creative and survival gamemode, game also has dimension called The End, so why not expand more on survival mechanics and give extra difficulty for players that search for it? We have hardcore mode, make that one extra spicy, not something that becomes easy after 1 in-game day.
It would be a massive cop out if their genuine reason was essentially "Well 1.8 pvp isnt as popular anymore" Meanwhile they had literally years and years to at least try and put their foot forward and try to fix it. Also Java to bedrock parity is an absolute joke, Bedrock's entire foundation is based primarly on mobile solely cus its the weakest device in the bedrock chain so they will build and optimize the game around that first before even considering windows or console version's. Its the whole reason why even on windows you still need to crouch to block with a shield. or you can barely dual weild any items in game.
Exactly to both of those. It's a huge cop-out to go "It's no longer popular" after they essentially neglected that popularity out of existence, and it's a joke that Java edition (an inherently PC-focused version of the game) has to maintain parity with what is essentially a mobile/console port of the game for some arbitrary reason imposed by Mojang/Microsoft.
@@flannelfan433Bedrock only exists because of Pocket Edition, if weren't for bedrock y'all on Console would still be on Wild Update waiting for 4J code the latest updates on every device available
Something I don't understand is that Mojang claims that they want parity between Java and Bedrock, and yet that will be impossible for as long as they support mobile/touchscreen controls
They seem to want parity between them but only stuff that the player base doesn't want for some reason. You can fill cauldrons with potions in Bedrock and then have a whole stack of arrows applied to it. It's such a cool mechanic gives potion arrows a viable way to achieve. We could have that in Java. But instead we have Copper Bulbs ruined or updating some useless UI stıff.
@@itemboy6814 yea and they wont add debug stuck, command for mobs with no ai, being able to hold things like torches in your offhand, and spectral arrows to bedrock edition its frusturating
If they stop supporting mobile/touchscreen controls then there is no point for bedrock edition The reason why bedrock was made is for crossplay compatibility
@ you do realise that Bedrock edition includes Xbox, Playstation, Switch, and PC/Windows right? most Bedrock players are probably impacted negatively because of mobile/touchscreen controls. They could also just make it so that you have to wirelessly connect a controller to play on phones/tablets, solving the biggest parity difference between Bedrock and Java
@@BipedAthlete851 what if they cant afford a controller? also i think what mojang means by parity is they want the same features, not the same controls i do think they need to prioritize on adding more useful features though like potions in cauldrons in java (idk if they added that yet i dont play java) and debug stick in bedrock
It always confuses me how much Minecraft’s developers seem to have at least a mild dislike/narcissism towards the fan/player base and that’s saying it lightly
This is true. The thing is it’s hard to find talented developers that are also representative of the various communities of the game. Fact is most hardcore PVPers aren’t super good at coding
bedrock-java parity will be done when the sun explodes. like how much time does it takes to add things like banner shields (2023) and banner marker on maps (tba?) and an actual functioning offhand (not even close).
A lot of java bedrock parity haopens more often than people thinks. Mojang just likes adding parity for smaller things more often than the bigger things as it's much probably a lot easier. Sadly most of the time you only kearn abt such changes if you follow up with previews
@@aaronhalder3330 possible solution - screen sides for each hand? touch right side for main hand and left side for offhand (for left handed just "mirror" the sides) I don't see a better solution
I wish they would focus on stuff like _this_ instead of adding another building block in a sea of building blocks every update... Don't get me wrong, I like building, but its getting out of hand.
ive seen some people explain it as if they did that then they would have to balance features for both new and old combat but i still feel like it would be a good idea
@@firepickaxe295Not really? Attack cooldown would still be the main combat form they balance around, as No Attack Cooldown would be an optional playstyle you take knowing the game might be more unbalanced, it's a bandaid fix after all.
minecraft's obscene size and success, mojang's suffocating moral approach to adding new mobs without loot, their obsession with adding side content that you have to travel thousands of blocks for, most updates not meeting expectations since they barely change the main gameplay, and bedrock edition parity splitting development between itself and java are the biggest things holding minecraft back from being a truly great game. because of all these things, it will only ever be just a fairly good game that usually requires mods. most features that _could_ be added will usually fall to one of those things. the fact we got the nether update and caves + cliffs, let alone within a couple years of each other is actually mind boggling if you think about it. if we're really lucky we might even get an end update before 2035, and maybe, just maybe bedrock edition will actually be a playable game by then too, despite all the time apparently spent on it by mojang
most people i know quit minecraft for these exact reasons, there's more side mechanics and blocks, but progression and gameplay loops have been the same for over a decade now
@@kalebgray1050 Diamond swords were useless in pve tho. It took the same amount of hits to kill mobs as the iron sword. They just couldn't release it like that.
fr it was some lf the most fun I’ve had in mc pvp. I played all the (3) servers that had the update and they were so enjoyable getting to choose what style to play with
So many of the features in this update should have been added to combat today. Reach variations, hitting through grass, bow changes, stackable potions. Though having both spam and charged hits be a thing is sort of confusing and unintuitive, and would further separate the pvp community.
Combining the two makes both playerbases happy, in what world you consider that confusing and unintuitive when nowadays there's stuff like crystal pvp which must be the most unintuitive thing you could ever think of by also completely overwhelming new players with items.
@@Firespecialstar Currently there are 2 playerbases of pvp. Both playerbases have spent years getting good at their combat system and are comfortable with it. If Mojang made a new update that completely overhauled combat again, all it would do is separate the community for a second time. People who like the current pvp will either reluctantly move to the new version, or stay in their version. And people who only play 1.8 likely wont change at all. It solves nothing. I think its unintuitive because it is unclear to players whether they should be using auto spam clicking vs charged attacks. I just think it makes it more complicated, when having just charged hits is simpler and more understandable. And there would still be crystal pvp in the combat snapshots, idk what youre trying to say there
@@pourplecat nevermind... maybe it was fine for 1.16.5 when 1.9+ wasn't that popular, at the end there are already ports of 1.8 pvp in 1.21.4 which is achieving what we wanted for so many years, a way to customize the pvp style in latest, by also allowing 1.8 players to enjoy the advantages of the updates, while they are comfortable in their own pvp style... hell maybe even arrival of new modes in latest while using 1.8 combat... ngl I feel like I missed out
@@pourplecat no? The purpose of having both at once is resulting in different playstyles with the same combat system that let the player "play their way" its not confusing or unclear if both work?
As a native German speaker myself and having read the interview I can for sure say that she specifically mentions the combat system, "Wir schauen uns an, was sich die Spieler wünschen und was wir zuletzt verändert haben. Wenn wir dem Spiel im vergangenen Jahr neue Arten von Höhlen und Wäldern verpasst haben, wird es vorerst um andere Dinge gehen, zum Beispiel das Kampfsystem." and that they want to change it
As a native German speaker, I can confirm that ‘Kampfsystem’ directly translates to ‘Combat System.’ While I could only find some screenshots of an article covering the topic in German, if the information in the article is accurate, then it is true that she said it.
I tried recreating the axe enchantment from the combat test snapshots when data driven enchantments came out; the functionality for it does not exist and can't even be worked around with datapack shenanigans. I knew it wasn't in the plans at all right there and then.
I remember talking to people back in the day about this. Some of the changes were awful for PvE, making some tiers of equipment completely not worth it going into. The diamond sword damage nerf in particular was atrocious, making a Creeper take 3 hits to die from it instead of 2, which was the same as the iron sword.
They thought it was a good idea to "fix" p4 diamond armor by making iron armor not do anything. Pure brilliance. Don't forget they wanted to degrade armor effectiveness as the durability went down, but somehow that got enough backlash to get reverted.
The only things I want them to implement combat-wise is stackable potions, and axes being considered weapons, not just tools (no extra deterioration when using them to attack mobs).
Can we get a combat or End update? Mojang: Here is new pet number 3056 and wooden blocks that are a darker shade of pink, cool see you next year. Also we have been working too hard, we are gonna scale back future updates
They never said they were scaling back future updates. They said the updates would be smaller, yes, but they also said they would be releasing more often. The amount of work they are doing hasn't changed, they're making the work they're doing available more than once a year.
@@goshdarnchicken Smaller updates means they didn't have a chance to make larger changes that need to happen all at once, they can't really split a combat update into 2 parts.
@@goshdarnchickennot even close to a defence for them though, the amount of content they add in yearly is pathetic. When Not h ran the game he would add in 3-4 updates the size of their yearly updates in the same amount of time
Ampheta used me as Stock Footage back then to teach others combos... At least I got to his skill at some point, so it's fine by me to use that stuff. (I was WitherXGuard)
I dont think that there will be a "combat update" but I do think they will slowly add combat features cuz they have made it possible to get reach on items with commands
6:26 I can't believe a developer said that they don't think an aspect of the game is good so they just won't focus on it. BRUHHH It's your job to make it BETTER! Who hired you??? Not to mention, everyone PVP's so give them what they want
I mean from the looks of it he shared his perspective on it and the fact it’s harder to do anything about due to pve and pvp necessarily using the same system
It's probably not his job specifically to work on combat, furthermore, that was mostly his own opinion, it doesn't necessarily reflect the games development or the entire dev team
I really liked the combat snapshots and playing them on the servers, it was really fun but after a while I just figured there would never be another combat update
Combat is such an integral part of the game that it needs a lot of work. Imagine they add a mob and the current combat system just doesn't let you fight them. All of these things need to be put into perspective when doing these things. Everytime they add something like a hostile mob it will need to go through more tests which take up more time for other features.
they added the warden, a mob so stupidly strong that mojang wanted to make op on purpose to make the players not fight them. let's not make up more stupid excuses on why they wouldn't add this updatr
Just as a FYI for the people who want to test the combat snapshots in modern versions, there exists a mod that is named Combatify that tries to port the 8c snapshot to modern versions :)
The Modern PVP meta for the most part revolves around crystals and anchors. Which have completely transformed how combat works. It’s more complex than ever. And additions like the mace have caused players do evolve completely different play styles. Modern pvp is so far removed from 1.8 the gap is unbridgeable.
It wouldn't suprise me if most people playing today haven't even played with the pre-1.9 combat system outside of servers like Hypixel. Rehauling the combat today would probably leave to the same outrage 1.9 caused.
This changed combat system would probably be harder to learn than the 1.9 system. I grew up with 1.9 combat and did some combat in beta 1.7.3 which has the old system and the old system is just skillless(if that is even a word). Just 100CPSing a mob or another player out of the arena is do boring
@CoolLink-Zelda beta 1.7.3 is such an old system to the point that is outdated even to normal 1.7 and 1.8... not to mention netty problems being present... and let's not start with crap like "Oh i can just win by autoclicking" when you never dedicated even 1 month to learn how to pvp in 1.7, it probably requires even more movement precision and aim since both of you players are actively swinging, meaning you can potentially trade to max minecraft reach.
@CoolLink-Zelda That's just wrong, 1.8 pvp does require skill, such as precise w-tapping when comboing a player, or learning to use a fishing rod to push an enemy, allowing said combo. And, as someone else said, b1.7.3 is outdated compared to 1.7/8
I think the combat tests would have worked very well in 2019/2020 because at that point 1.9+ combat didn't have nearly as big of a community as it does nowadays. Especially with advanced that are currently being made to fully port over 1.8 pvp to 1.21 (including blockhitting and stuff like that), I think its very likely that mojang will end up just making the best out of the current combat system. Thats a shame, because I love the combat tests, I played them a lot and have been a part of the combat test community for a very long time, it's sad to see all of our hopes and dreams lead to nothing. But at the very least, with the wide arrange of customization that mojang has allowed servers to do in the last updates, it's fully possible to recreate CTS combat in the newest versions with a few plugins. Maybe we are just entering a time of every server having it's own take on combat, and honestly, I think that is the best option. Minecraft is a sandbox, why not create our own combat?
@WitherSweat HI WitherXGuard xd. Don't worry, you'll be used as stock footage for the rest of eternity because Ampheta used you to showcase the parry combo.
tbh the idea of servers having the choice on combat is beautiful... too bad mojang will still promote 1.9+ as hard as possible in order to fully kill 1.7/1.8. all these years trying to improve in the game, just because mojang for some reason refuses to provide any kind of support to the pvp, and leaving us with a very flawed system, which problems keep actively popping up
I think an option to choose either combat would be good for servers honestly. I also personally think Parrying might add some combat depth, maybe in pvp, like using your sheild just as your hit resets the attacker or they have a second of no attacking.
parrying would be borderline just impossible to predict attacks as they are instant, you would just have to spam the block button and would take some of the fun in pvp if shields were the most op tool in a fight (somewhat to what fishing rods were in 1.8 pvp), parrying could be possibly good if it existed only as a way to counter axe hits
The only good thing we ever got out of the mob vote was it ending. As a community, we somehow managed to consistently pick the worst option possible every damn time
@@HamzaZaid-n2n bedrock edition is known for being worse than java edition very buggy highly (and annoyingly) monetized and is simply disliked more than java. it's not surprising some ppl want it gone completely
@@HamzaZaid-n2n like fuck they are. With just the base sales of pre bedrock even if 5% of them are still somewhat active it outnumbers them by 10 s of thousands of players
I’m so tired of base gameplay being abandoned or not getting updated, the last time it was majorly updated was just swimming in the aquatic update, we haven’t gotten any new base features or anything fleshed out, like PvP (which was left in a broken state post 1.8) or terrain generation (which they keep cramming biomes so 25 blocks later you’d already gone through like 3 biomes) or many other such base gameplay features. It’s tiring I just want an update on most things that haven’t been touched since 1.0 or 1.8
So much of this would have been excellent additions, like the potion stacking and arrow multihit. Still glad spam attacking is gone though. Needing to pace your attacks makes combat so much more interesting and strategic.
There's also a mod that brings the CTS mechanics to modern versions (and even expands on the mechanics, and everything is toggleable, so if you don't like one change, you can revert it) It's called combatify
the combat snapshots will never be added into the newer game due to the addition of the mace. unless they made the mace the only weapon which still had a cooldown, turning the mace extremely weak and easily counterable with the longer reach with tridents, the mace would be used as a spammable weapon and it would be incredibly hard to use it as intended edit: this is just what i think, please debate with me and correct me about anything i got wrong! just be civil
The cooldowns still exist and 8c. theres actually 2 cooldowns. one that shows when you can hit with max reach which is visible with the attack indicator. and one thats invisible which is capped to your weapons attack speed. I would assume the mace would have a slow attack speed and a 2.5 block reach possible 3 blocks.
@@Scholing223 yeah, but i think it wouldn't be viable in combat since every other weapon will be able to hit them away and do a ton of damage before you can use the mace
@@spendingsaucer6428 yeah, i just think that most other weapons will have too much of an advantage against the mace for anyone to use it with wind charges as intended. if it has a slow attack speed while most weapons attack so quickly and some have more reach, you won't use it like a sword/axe and people will hit you away with a trident while you're falling onto them
@ trust me, that small community that MisterEpic talked about, I was apart of that for the past 4 years. The axe and sword are used more than you would expect even with its less reach. People do not have as perfect distancing as you would expect and the mace would be used. Plus in endgame PvP (netherite, crystals, pots) trident really isn’t used unless in a very certain circumstance.
if they want to add offhand they would have to force all mobile players to use the new mobile controls with dedicated buttons for attack and place blocks, instead of how they can pick what controls they want to use
@ I'm assuming you haven't played Java Edition? The offhand doesn't have any special controls, it's just a backup. The offhand is used when the main hand does not already have the same action. For example, when holding a pickaxe in the main hand and a torch in the offhand, if you right click on a block, it will place the torch, because the pickaxe cannot be placed. It's also not possible to use the offhand for attacking or breaking blocks. There is a button to quickly swap the hands though. That could be implemented by simply tapping the offhand icon, or it could just be omitted I guess.
Jeez. Once Gameplay Team gonna take over Combat Snapshots, they will use the Experimental section of Minecraft, just like the trading, villager, minecart overhauls. It's so easy to understand.
I don't think that someone who designed llamas, turtles, pandas, ocean ruins, icebergs, lush caves, tadpoles and frogs should be a game director. Assistant to the director at best.
I think a solid final version of the combat tests would be so good for the current versions of the game. Even if it's in the experiment toggle for a while, I love how snappy and easy to use the combat tests were.
@@theheroofourtime3578 i have no opinion because i dont have minecraft nor have i played it for long enough. i was just stating a fact. also i dont understand why you think that matters in this convo since its supposed to be a mix of both with only the good parts or good parts according to most players
The multi-billion dollar company can't balance combat and add new items at the same time, meanwhile some random unpaid modder in his basement can do it without issue.
If Mojang is going to abandon this entirely they may as well give us more customization to allow us to bring back 1.8 combat on the latest as closely as possible. At the moment it's definitely possible but the experience isn't 1:1 making it not as appealing to everyone. It's definitely possible and have been done before but it would be cool if they continued to add more attribute related things that'll let players bring back the experience.
It's just sad to see the state of this game right now, just sad, we have developers that don't care about the players or the game itself, and even worse, a greedy company controlling them.
I think that's a bit reductive. I'm also not particularly fond of some newer updates, but it's obvious that a lot of thought goes into the game design. Especially when you consider how many different playstyles need to be accounted for.
@@firepickaxe295 "it's obvious that a lot of thought goes into the game design." >Leather and chainmail being harder to get than iron >Made a pure decorative armor decoration cost seven diamonds >Made a nether exclusive block into yet another overworld block with an item already oversaturated with uses (Lodestones) >Any mob vote winner >Sniffers. (Lmao) >Adding echo shards when they only exist to go into another niche item >Allowing mending and diamond armor to be renewable for a single emerald >Iron farms existing in any capacity >Many mobs being useless outright >Spyglass crafting recipe not even making sense >Woodland mansions being rendered completely obsolete by raids >Totems being farmable in any capacity >Camels being horses but worse in every way >Wind charged potion doesn't even work >Ominous trials buff you with potions making it easier >Elytras. Nuff said. "Especially when you consider how many different playstyles need to be accounted for." They only care about builders and occasionally a niche redstone component. Lmao.
@@LtzPlusGG_ I get where you're coming from. There is a lot to be disliked about the current state of things, but saying that the developers "don't care" doesn't help anyone.
Funny fact Steve flying with elytra holding an inventory full of shulkers filled with anvils has weight capacity of 9 ANN-225 Aircrafts. 2 233 800 kg of anvils ( 50KG average anvil weight calculation)
I really wish the potion changes were added to the game, its such a pain to carry potions in the vanilla game, and the update would have made them so much more useful
I think it is good that the combat tests are not being added. It will just cause another controversy, and I wouldn't like to go back a version to play on the current version. I think it can just be a gamerule (along with 1.8 pvp) and that would solve all the issues. Being able to use the latest items like wind charges and the mace on 1.8 pvp would be great for those who want it.
As someone who makes mods, I wonder what takes mojang so long. It's not that overly complicated, no different than them adding all the mob vote mobs. It should have taken a team of that size no more than a week or 2.
@CoolLink-Zelda I think that’s part of it, but I think most of the time is spent fixing bugs or making sure the new stuff doesn’t interfere with already established mechanics.
@CoolLink-Zelda Or, they could just give up on java to bedrock parity and say "Hey, these 2 versions are different, java is only for pc so you can have some special updates that would only work on pc, and bedrock is for those who want to play with most of the minecraft playerbase"
I dont really care about what combat system will be in minecraft cuz i always make my own the best for server type cuz SMP should have different pvp system than RPG servers
There are some changes they could easily bring into the game that wouldn't cause any significant issues like stacking potions to 16 and possibly Cleaving. Although, Cleaving seems to be widely disliked so maybe just the potion stacking. I would personally love stackable potions. It's annoying to me that they never stacked and made regular instant health and regeneration potions pretty pointless since you can just make golden apples that stack to 64 instead. Sure, it's more expensive and annoying to get the apples needed but the fact that you can carry 64 of them in one slot and can't carry more than one regen or health potion makes them much better. Especially since you get other effects from gapples as well. Unless you can't access apples for some reason, there is no reason not to use gapples over health potions and regen potions. I guess you could use splash health potions to harm undead mobs or heal your pets but other than fighting the wither, I doubt anyone uses those. Maybe in multiplayer to heal both their friend and themself. I just think that those potions would be way more useful if they stacked.
I honestly think there should be two or three updates with NO NEW CONTENT AT ALL, just improvements of the existing mechanics. Enchanting is broken, combat is broken, villager trading is broken, and so on. There are so many dumb structures that add NOTHING to the game. I personally think there should be 4 updates with no new features at all: 1- Structures updates. For making old and uselles structures to be on par with new ones like trial chambers. Imagine what a jungle temple could be? 2- Enchantment update: I personally like the idea of having to visit ancient structures to learn and unlock new enchantments. Just buying a book from the villagers is too dumb. 3- Trading update: Please nerf trading halls. Make so villagers have a structure of interest that they need to visit for them to refresh their trades. Like, a farmer needs to have a proper farm for him to sell you stuff, not just stare at a composter. I relly like something like millenaire or minecolonies. 4- Combat update. Self explanatory.
I don’t understand why they add new features while ignoring the fact bedrock is missing the Regen, heart and other particles while in combat, sweeping edge, sword delay and axe cool down etc. (I mainly want stackable potions)
whoever makes a mod that adds all of the snapshot changes shall be forever immortalized in the community as a hero (and please make it for forge 1.20.1 for totally no specific reason😊) combat nouveau kinda does it, but not fully and also adds its own things which i personally don't like such as removing the sweep attack from swords unless they have the enchantment
Maybe because everyone and the newer generations are used to the new combat from 1.9 makes this more controversial if it happens meaning a repeat of the 2016 disaster
Yeah back when the combat snapshots were being released there was an openly hostile 1.8 combat community to Mojang. Nowadays that community has basically collapsed.
the 1.9 controversy was mainly cuz its just bad. Don't get me wrong, 1.8 should absolutely be burnt with fire, but 1.9 is no better. Combat snapshots are not just a combination of both, it's a thoughtful rework that makes combat significantly better and not just "changed"
Hey im a native german speaker and I have read the article It sas "for example the combat system, in that way we want make it so that for every minecraft player there is something for tham
Not as bad as the Evolution of Combat in Runescape. I think that initially they were REALLY worried about it being as big a problem as EoC, but over time realized that it wouldn’t be necessary so they put it on the backburner
The funniest part about the combat update to me is how many servers still refuse to move over to newer versions. Because removing spam clicking is life ruining for players I guess
I think Jeb was in charge of it and abandoned it. Probably because as life in a company goes, he was asked to help on other things and it just fell on the back burner. Now its probably sitting on the to do list. Thats why the PR responses more lean towards, "dont expect any updates to combat for now". Because nobody currently is working on it. It might change in the coming months, years. But for now its just a bulletin on a long list
MC combat will always be, to me, like watching two cats slapping each other. It’s awkward to play and boring to watch. MC is not my go to fighting game and killing mobs is just a means to an ends.
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Feel like java combat would become more advanced like animation wise
They stopped working on the update so they could fix their eula
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Ampheta used me as Stock Footage back then to teach others combos... At least I got to his skill at some point, so it's fine by me to use that stuff. (I was WitherXGuard)
reminder that these combat snapshots are the ONLY VERSION OF THE GAME where Tridents with Loyalty return from the void
like damn why was that never implemented
bedrock edition has that im pretty sure
@@bananainactive would make sense since at some point in the void, there is an invisible floor I think
Bedrock edition 😑
@@Roguelike_Enjoyerthats a different void since theres a floor
All i want is stackable potions, like come on, they are not worth the inventory space, or allow them to stack to 4-8 in the bundle
Also snowballs to 64 was nice quality of life.
I used to agree with this until I realized that's what tipped arrows are for. Either that or have all unstackable items count as sixteen items in a bundle
@@EmperorPenguin1217 Ah yes, let me shoot myself with my tipped night vision arrows wtf?
Stacking them but not too a lot would be nice maybe they stack to 4 or somethn
This should've honestly just been added outside of the combat update ngl
It’s crazy that the devs don’t understand that changing combat would also improve PVE. Like there’s no way the game functions as a survival game with current enchants. There needs to be an overhaul to enchantments and potions. And that overhaul would likely include needing to fix tridents (especially in the context of the mace) and make netherite shields. Potentially nerf shields so normal enemies aren’t pointless. Like by the time you rebalance pve you’re mostly done with a pvp update
""Survival"" is just creative with extra steps.
Last time I checked survival games had durability, hunger, dangerous creatures, limited resources. Minecraft has none of that after 2 days of playing
Because y'all keep insisting the game is something it isn't. It's a sandbox game of creativity, it's just you weirdos forcing it into a combat survival game that has an end, apparently, when that was NEVER its intention.
@@nachgeben I agree with you, but not fully. The game itself has creative and survival gamemode, game also has dimension called The End, so why not expand more on survival mechanics and give extra difficulty for players that search for it? We have hardcore mode, make that one extra spicy, not something that becomes easy after 1 in-game day.
@@nachgebenthe moment survival was added minecraft was no longer a sandbox game
It would be a massive cop out if their genuine reason was essentially "Well 1.8 pvp isnt as popular anymore" Meanwhile they had literally years and years to at least try and put their foot forward and try to fix it.
Also Java to bedrock parity is an absolute joke, Bedrock's entire foundation is based primarly on mobile solely cus its the weakest device in the bedrock chain so they will build and optimize the game around that first before even considering windows or console version's. Its the whole reason why even on windows you still need to crouch to block with a shield. or you can barely dual weild any items in game.
Exactly to both of those.
It's a huge cop-out to go "It's no longer popular" after they essentially neglected that popularity out of existence, and it's a joke that Java edition (an inherently PC-focused version of the game) has to maintain parity with what is essentially a mobile/console port of the game for some arbitrary reason imposed by Mojang/Microsoft.
Mobile isn't updated anymore..m
It is shocking how much pocket edition holds back bedrock.
Alsooooo most servers have a plugin to remove modern combat features and returning to how it used to be!
@@flannelfan433Bedrock only exists because of Pocket Edition, if weren't for bedrock y'all on Console would still be on Wild Update waiting for 4J code the latest updates on every device available
Something I don't understand is that Mojang claims that they want parity between Java and Bedrock, and yet that will be impossible for as long as they support mobile/touchscreen controls
They seem to want parity between them but only stuff that the player base doesn't want for some reason. You can fill cauldrons with potions in Bedrock and then have a whole stack of arrows applied to it. It's such a cool mechanic gives potion arrows a viable way to achieve. We could have that in Java. But instead we have Copper Bulbs ruined or updating some useless UI stıff.
@@itemboy6814 yea and they wont add debug stuck, command for mobs with no ai, being able to hold things like torches in your offhand, and spectral arrows to bedrock edition its frusturating
If they stop supporting mobile/touchscreen controls then there is no point for bedrock edition
The reason why bedrock was made is for crossplay compatibility
@ you do realise that Bedrock edition includes Xbox, Playstation, Switch, and PC/Windows right? most Bedrock players are probably impacted negatively because of mobile/touchscreen controls. They could also just make it so that you have to wirelessly connect a controller to play on phones/tablets, solving the biggest parity difference between Bedrock and Java
@@BipedAthlete851 what if they cant afford a controller? also i think what mojang means by parity is they want the same features, not the same controls
i do think they need to prioritize on adding more useful features though like potions in cauldrons in java (idk if they added that yet i dont play java) and debug stick in bedrock
It always confuses me how much Minecraft’s developers seem to have at least a mild dislike/narcissism towards the fan/player base and that’s saying it lightly
Then they glaze over the fact that the game is built on the community.
Especially the server/pvp community
This is true. The thing is it’s hard to find talented developers that are also representative of the various communities of the game. Fact is most hardcore PVPers aren’t super good at coding
@@Jwellsuhhuh that’s not true at all. They don’t even need to look for coders, just game designers.
makes sense considering for multiplayer you need to rely on 3rd party servers most of the time
bedrock-java parity will be done when the sun explodes.
like how much time does it takes to add things like banner shields (2023) and banner marker on maps (tba?) and an actual functioning offhand (not even close).
A lot of java bedrock parity haopens more often than people thinks. Mojang just likes adding parity for smaller things more often than the bigger things as it's much probably a lot easier. Sadly most of the time you only kearn abt such changes if you follow up with previews
@CUBL1XWe would be fine with these small inconsistencies, after all parity is to make the game more accessible
The reason the offhand isn’t the same as Java is because mobile players wouldn’t be able to use their offhand independently form their main hand
@@aaronhalder3330 possible solution - screen sides for each hand?
touch right side for main hand and left side for offhand (for left handed just "mirror" the sides)
I don't see a better solution
reasonable crashout
I wish they would focus on stuff like _this_ instead of adding another building block in a sea of building blocks every update... Don't get me wrong, I like building, but its getting out of hand.
Yeah I do agree, and think they may need to also work on other parts of the game as well.
Exploration and building are fleshed out.
The end is the only Place that isn't fleshed out
But I like waxed lightly weathered cut copper stairs
@@lukefreund08wasnt it waxed lightly weathered cut copper stairs?
why are you everywhere
I just can't comprehend how they can't at least just add a simple game rule that disables attack cooldown as a bandaid fix.
Having two attack systems in place means new content will be expected to work with both of them. Makes balancing the game more difficult
ive seen some people explain it as if they did that then they would have to balance features for both new and old combat but i still feel like it would be a good idea
@@firepickaxe295 they wouldnt have to consider the gamerule in balancing cuz its just an option
@@firepickaxe295They already do that for bedrock edition…
@@firepickaxe295Not really? Attack cooldown would still be the main combat form they balance around, as No Attack Cooldown would be an optional playstyle you take knowing the game might be more unbalanced, it's a bandaid fix after all.
minecraft's obscene size and success,
mojang's suffocating moral approach to adding new mobs without loot,
their obsession with adding side content that you have to travel thousands of blocks for,
most updates not meeting expectations since they barely change the main gameplay,
and bedrock edition parity splitting development between itself and java are the biggest things holding minecraft back from being a truly great game. because of all these things, it will only ever be just a fairly good game that usually requires mods.
most features that _could_ be added will usually fall to one of those things. the fact we got the nether update and caves + cliffs, let alone within a couple years of each other is actually mind boggling if you think about it. if we're really lucky we might even get an end update before 2035, and maybe, just maybe bedrock edition will actually be a playable game by then too, despite all the time apparently spent on it by mojang
most people i know quit minecraft for these exact reasons, there's more side mechanics and blocks, but progression and gameplay loops have been the same for over a decade now
Holy yap Minecraft shouldn’t ever go back to 1.8 combat or anything near it
@@Engardus Arthritis joey
@@Engardus Ah, a waiting half of one's lifespan for the cooldown of the sword to end after swinging at a zombie enjoyer
@@nightmarepotato5000 the sword cooldown is literally less than a second??
This needs to release man, it’s actually such a good update
Not just for pvp either, the grass changes, shield and axe buffs, and crossbow "fix", all made pve way better too.
No it isnt, have you watched the video, it will be meaningless in a few years
@@kalebgray1050 Diamond swords were useless in pve tho. It took the same amount of hits to kill mobs as the iron sword. They just couldn't release it like that.
fr it was some lf the most fun I’ve had in mc pvp. I played all the (3) servers that had the update and they were so enjoyable getting to choose what style to play with
no it's isn't lmfao
So many of the features in this update should have been added to combat today. Reach variations, hitting through grass, bow changes, stackable potions. Though having both spam and charged hits be a thing is sort of confusing and unintuitive, and would further separate the pvp community.
even just the grass, bow changes, and stacking potions would be enough for me
itd be very easy to implement without a full rewrite
Combining the two makes both playerbases happy, in what world you consider that confusing and unintuitive when nowadays there's stuff like crystal pvp which must be the most unintuitive thing you could ever think of by also completely overwhelming new players with items.
@@Firespecialstar Currently there are 2 playerbases of pvp. Both playerbases have spent years getting good at their combat system and are comfortable with it. If Mojang made a new update that completely overhauled combat again, all it would do is separate the community for a second time. People who like the current pvp will either reluctantly move to the new version, or stay in their version. And people who only play 1.8 likely wont change at all. It solves nothing.
I think its unintuitive because it is unclear to players whether they should be using auto spam clicking vs charged attacks. I just think it makes it more complicated, when having just charged hits is simpler and more understandable. And there would still be crystal pvp in the combat snapshots, idk what youre trying to say there
@@pourplecat nevermind... maybe it was fine for 1.16.5 when 1.9+ wasn't that popular, at the end there are already ports of 1.8 pvp in 1.21.4 which is achieving what we wanted for so many years, a way to customize the pvp style in latest, by also allowing 1.8 players to enjoy the advantages of the updates, while they are comfortable in their own pvp style... hell maybe even arrival of new modes in latest while using 1.8 combat... ngl I feel like I missed out
@@pourplecat no? The purpose of having both at once is resulting in different playstyles with the same combat system that let the player "play their way" its not confusing or unclear if both work?
As a native German speaker myself and having read the interview I can for sure say that she specifically mentions the combat system,
"Wir schauen uns an, was sich die Spieler wünschen und was wir zuletzt verändert haben. Wenn wir dem Spiel im vergangenen Jahr neue Arten von Höhlen und Wäldern verpasst haben, wird es vorerst um andere Dinge gehen, zum Beispiel das Kampfsystem."
and that they want to change it
Even the GOOGLE TRANSLATION says "for example"
Feel like this is the new motto of Mojang "Get em hyped and let em down"
As a native German speaker, I can confirm that ‘Kampfsystem’ directly translates to ‘Combat System.’ While I could only find some screenshots of an article covering the topic in German, if the information in the article is accurate, then it is true that she said it.
As another German speaker i can confirm that this dude isn't talking bullenscheiße and that his infos are fully correct
here me out If Minecraft ever Releases the update I will become the highest tier channel member
Alright I'll remember this promise
@@TheMisterEpiccan I be second highest
I approve
Bros gonna make a 2k per month membership for u lol
Good idea
I tried recreating the axe enchantment from the combat test snapshots when data driven enchantments came out; the functionality for it does not exist and can't even be worked around with datapack shenanigans. I knew it wasn't in the plans at all right there and then.
Silksong might release before the combat test snapshots' features are added :(
We will get GTA7 before the combat test
I remember talking to people back in the day about this. Some of the changes were awful for PvE, making some tiers of equipment completely not worth it going into. The diamond sword damage nerf in particular was atrocious, making a Creeper take 3 hits to die from it instead of 2, which was the same as the iron sword.
They thought it was a good idea to "fix" p4 diamond armor by making iron armor not do anything. Pure brilliance. Don't forget they wanted to degrade armor effectiveness as the durability went down, but somehow that got enough backlash to get reverted.
Lol that was the of armor system
Og
The only things I want them to implement combat-wise is stackable potions, and axes being considered weapons, not just tools (no extra deterioration when using them to attack mobs).
please Mojang, i need my stackable potions...
6:17 BROOO come on
There was not any planing when they dropped 1.9
Please add the new changes
Can we get a combat or End update?
Mojang: Here is new pet number 3056 and wooden blocks that are a darker shade of pink, cool see you next year. Also we have been working too hard, we are gonna scale back future updates
They never said they were scaling back future updates. They said the updates would be smaller, yes, but they also said they would be releasing more often. The amount of work they are doing hasn't changed, they're making the work they're doing available more than once a year.
@@goshdarnchicken Smaller updates means they didn't have a chance to make larger changes that need to happen all at once, they can't really split a combat update into 2 parts.
@@goshdarnchickennot even close to a defence for them though, the amount of content they add in yearly is pathetic.
When Not h ran the game he would add in 3-4 updates the size of their yearly updates in the same amount of time
Ampheta used me as Stock Footage back then to teach others combos... At least I got to his skill at some point, so it's fine by me to use that stuff. (I was WitherXGuard)
The autoswing was something I wanted back so bad! I’m so sad what we seen in combat test may not be implemented into the game.
The combat tests are absolutely amazing, I LOVE them and what they do to the game, and I am desperate for them to work on it more
I dont think that there will be a "combat update" but I do think they will slowly add combat features cuz they have made it possible to get reach on items with commands
6:26 I can't believe a developer said that they don't think an aspect of the game is good so they just won't focus on it. BRUHHH It's your job to make it BETTER! Who hired you??? Not to mention, everyone PVP's so give them what they want
I mean from the looks of it he shared his perspective on it and the fact it’s harder to do anything about due to pve and pvp necessarily using the same system
It's probably not his job specifically to work on combat, furthermore, that was mostly his own opinion, it doesn't necessarily reflect the games development or the entire dev team
@@TheMisterEpic sounds like many people responsible for things like this should just be fired...
Also, remember that single player, mobile, and other platforms still hold significant playerbase
@@hypergalactic6527Irrelevant. Bedrock and Java parity are and will always be worlds apart because of this reason.
I really liked the combat snapshots and playing them on the servers, it was really fun but after a while I just figured there would never be another combat update
Combat is such an integral part of the game that it needs a lot of work. Imagine they add a mob and the current combat system just doesn't let you fight them. All of these things need to be put into perspective when doing these things. Everytime they add something like a hostile mob it will need to go through more tests which take up more time for other features.
they added the warden, a mob so stupidly strong that mojang wanted to make op on purpose to make the players not fight them. let's not make up more stupid excuses on why they wouldn't add this updatr
@@Firespecialstar we dont need a modified warden.
@@SmitePlayz1 exactly.
Just as a FYI for the people who want to test the combat snapshots in modern versions, there exists a mod that is named Combatify that tries to port the 8c snapshot to modern versions :)
Modders: Fine, I’ll do it myself
The Modern PVP meta for the most part revolves around crystals and anchors. Which have completely transformed how combat works. It’s more complex than ever. And additions like the mace have caused players do evolve completely different play styles. Modern pvp is so far removed from 1.8 the gap is unbridgeable.
what's your point?
@ that at this point modern pvp is so far removed. Attempting to bridge such a large gap is not possible.
@@kelptalks4167 bridging is the same as it was in 1.8, what do you mean?
@@SmitePlayz1 a metaphorical bridge between how Minecraft mechanics are used in combat now vs then
@@kelptalks4167 understandable, last time I checked people were still using swords tho 😭
they need to add them as an experimental system on the main version
I have this hunch that this update won't come out anytime soon, but I do hope that it releases eventually.
3:29 WTF dude , i was the one who wrote that post in the minecraft feedback page xxddd .
It wouldn't suprise me if most people playing today haven't even played with the pre-1.9 combat system outside of servers like Hypixel.
Rehauling the combat today would probably leave to the same outrage 1.9 caused.
This changed combat system would probably be harder to learn than the 1.9 system. I grew up with 1.9 combat and did some combat in beta 1.7.3 which has the old system and the old system is just skillless(if that is even a word). Just 100CPSing a mob or another player out of the arena is do boring
@CoolLink-Zelda beta 1.7.3 is such an old system to the point that is outdated even to normal 1.7 and 1.8... not to mention netty problems being present... and let's not start with crap like "Oh i can just win by autoclicking" when you never dedicated even 1 month to learn how to pvp in 1.7, it probably requires even more movement precision and aim since both of you players are actively swinging, meaning you can potentially trade to max minecraft reach.
@CoolLink-Zelda That's just wrong, 1.8 pvp does require skill, such as precise w-tapping when comboing a player, or learning to use a fishing rod to push an enemy, allowing said combo. And, as someone else said, b1.7.3 is outdated compared to 1.7/8
I think the combat tests would have worked very well in 2019/2020 because at that point 1.9+ combat didn't have nearly as big of a community as it does nowadays. Especially with advanced that are currently being made to fully port over 1.8 pvp to 1.21 (including blockhitting and stuff like that), I think its very likely that mojang will end up just making the best out of the current combat system.
Thats a shame, because I love the combat tests, I played them a lot and have been a part of the combat test community for a very long time, it's sad to see all of our hopes and dreams lead to nothing. But at the very least, with the wide arrange of customization that mojang has allowed servers to do in the last updates, it's fully possible to recreate CTS combat in the newest versions with a few plugins.
Maybe we are just entering a time of every server having it's own take on combat, and honestly, I think that is the best option. Minecraft is a sandbox, why not create our own combat?
Hi asimoa!
Ignore me being used as stock footage for combos in that vid. It was the first 3 days or so after I met ampheta and Pinglord
@WitherSweat HI WitherXGuard xd. Don't worry, you'll be used as stock footage for the rest of eternity because Ampheta used you to showcase the parry combo.
tbh the idea of servers having the choice on combat is beautiful... too bad mojang will still promote 1.9+ as hard as possible in order to fully kill 1.7/1.8.
all these years trying to improve in the game, just because mojang for some reason refuses to provide any kind of support to the pvp, and leaving us with a very flawed system, which problems keep actively popping up
@ I will keep playing 1.8 as long as possible, and I know enough people will do the same for it to never fully die
I just wish gold weapons had a niche, they could be a cool combo/juggle tool if they had faster attack speed like in Smash
Attack reach was also a cool idea that could've opened up ideas for custom weapons like lances and daggers
why is smash steve better than minecraft steve?!? it makes no sense
This would be a perfect "Game drop"
Everything from that snapshot
I think an option to choose either combat would be good for servers honestly. I also personally think Parrying might add some combat depth, maybe in pvp, like using your sheild just as your hit resets the attacker or they have a second of no attacking.
You don't even realise how bad this'd be
Agreed on the option for servers, not sure so much for the parrying but it sounds interesting
parrying would be borderline just impossible to predict attacks as they are instant, you would just have to spam the block button and would take some of the fun in pvp if shields were the most op tool in a fight (somewhat to what fishing rods were in 1.8 pvp), parrying could be possibly good if it existed only as a way to counter axe hits
At least they could implement some of those bonus features. Stackable potions and multishot crossbows sounds amazing
The combat update and phantoms are the two worst things in the game. Atleast one can be disabled with commands but the other i’m just stuck with
where did bro come from 😭
The only good thing we ever got out of the mob vote was it ending.
As a community, we somehow managed to consistently pick the worst option possible every damn time
The only update i want is the deletion of bedrock edition and rehireing of 4J
Why?
This 100%. A team that actually puts passion into the game they are making instead of the soulless cash cows we have now
@@HamzaZaid-n2n bedrock edition is known for being
worse than java edition
very buggy
highly (and annoyingly) monetized
and is simply disliked more than java. it's not surprising some ppl want it gone completely
@@redfacegames293 more than 60% of players are on bedrock
And I could not find the exact ratio but it’s probably more than just 60
@@HamzaZaid-n2n like fuck they are. With just the base sales of pre bedrock even if 5% of them are still somewhat active it outnumbers them by 10 s of thousands of players
Man, I hope theres gonna be a new combat update
I’m so tired of base gameplay being abandoned or not getting updated, the last time it was majorly updated was just swimming in the aquatic update, we haven’t gotten any new base features or anything fleshed out, like PvP (which was left in a broken state post 1.8) or terrain generation (which they keep cramming biomes so 25 blocks later you’d already gone through like 3 biomes) or many other such base gameplay features. It’s tiring I just want an update on most things that haven’t been touched since 1.0 or 1.8
Not a single thing here is true
So much of this would have been excellent additions, like the potion stacking and arrow multihit. Still glad spam attacking is gone though. Needing to pace your attacks makes combat so much more interesting and strategic.
There's also a mod that brings the CTS mechanics to modern versions (and even expands on the mechanics, and everything is toggleable, so if you don't like one change, you can revert it)
It's called combatify
the combat snapshots will never be added into the newer game due to the addition of the mace. unless they made the mace the only weapon which still had a cooldown, turning the mace extremely weak and easily counterable with the longer reach with tridents, the mace would be used as a spammable weapon and it would be incredibly hard to use it as intended
edit: this is just what i think, please debate with me and correct me about anything i got wrong! just be civil
Combat snapshots still have the cooldown, they just work differently for certain instances so the mace will be the exact same
The cooldowns still exist and 8c. theres actually 2 cooldowns. one that shows when you can hit with max reach which is visible with the attack indicator. and one thats invisible which is capped to your weapons attack speed. I would assume the mace would have a slow attack speed and a 2.5 block reach possible 3 blocks.
@@Scholing223 yeah, but i think it wouldn't be viable in combat since every other weapon will be able to hit them away and do a ton of damage before you can use the mace
@@spendingsaucer6428 yeah, i just think that most other weapons will have too much of an advantage against the mace for anyone to use it with wind charges as intended. if it has a slow attack speed while most weapons attack so quickly and some have more reach, you won't use it like a sword/axe and people will hit you away with a trident while you're falling onto them
@ trust me, that small community that MisterEpic talked about, I was apart of that for the past 4 years. The axe and sword are used more than you would expect even with its less reach. People do not have as perfect distancing as you would expect and the mace would be used. Plus in endgame PvP (netherite, crystals, pots) trident really isn’t used unless in a very certain circumstance.
Even if we don't get the actual weapon changes of the snapshots, there's still many things people been asking for like the potion buffs
It's been almost a decade since 1.9 and Bedrock still isn't allowed to have an offhand?
if they want to add offhand they would have to force all mobile players to use the new mobile controls with dedicated buttons for attack and place blocks, instead of how they can pick what controls they want to use
@SmitePlayz1 I don't see why that's necessary, the offhand doesn't change the controls
@@malucarthow are mobile players gonna use an offhand
@ I'm assuming you haven't played Java Edition? The offhand doesn't have any special controls, it's just a backup. The offhand is used when the main hand does not already have the same action. For example, when holding a pickaxe in the main hand and a torch in the offhand, if you right click on a block, it will place the torch, because the pickaxe cannot be placed. It's also not possible to use the offhand for attacking or breaking blocks.
There is a button to quickly swap the hands though. That could be implemented by simply tapping the offhand icon, or it could just be omitted I guess.
@ I know…? 💀💀 I’m talking about bedrock edition and nothing you jsut said has anything to do with bedrock edition
Jeez. Once Gameplay Team gonna take over Combat Snapshots, they will use the Experimental section of Minecraft, just like the trading, villager, minecart overhauls. It's so easy to understand.
If an alternative is made, it could be explained in great detail before it's started for the community to vote on which is added onto and implemented.
I don't think that someone who designed llamas, turtles, pandas, ocean ruins, icebergs, lush caves, tadpoles and frogs should be a game director. Assistant to the director at best.
I think a solid final version of the combat tests would be so good for the current versions of the game. Even if it's in the experiment toggle for a while, I love how snappy and easy to use the combat tests were.
Any combat system where an auto clicker gives you an advantage over anyone not using an autoclicker is badly designed.
that’s literally 1.8
he states that you could just hold left click in the snapshot to attack
@EvandGman i actively prefer the new one over old a lot lol
@@EvandGman^
@@theheroofourtime3578 i have no opinion because i dont have minecraft nor have i played it for long enough. i was just stating a fact. also i dont understand why you think that matters in this convo since its supposed to be a mix of both with only the good parts or good parts according to most players
The multi-billion dollar company can't balance combat and add new items at the same time, meanwhile some random unpaid modder in his basement can do it without issue.
If Mojang is going to abandon this entirely they may as well give us more customization to allow us to bring back 1.8 combat on the latest as closely as possible. At the moment it's definitely possible but the experience isn't 1:1 making it not as appealing to everyone. It's definitely possible and have been done before but it would be cool if they continued to add more attribute related things that'll let players bring back the experience.
11:30 that build looks amazing!
You look amazing
Knezzo my GOAT
This is the update I've been looking forward to the most-even over an end or inventory update
I bet they will release it with an end update eventually.
It's just sad to see the state of this game right now, just sad, we have developers that don't care about the players or the game itself, and even worse, a greedy company controlling them.
I think that's a bit reductive. I'm also not particularly fond of some newer updates, but it's obvious that a lot of thought goes into the game design. Especially when you consider how many different playstyles need to be accounted for.
@firepickaxe4268 The only big complain that i have is that newer updates feel empty and small, no matter how big they are.
@@firepickaxe295
"it's obvious that a lot of thought goes into the game design."
>Leather and chainmail being harder to get than iron
>Made a pure decorative armor decoration cost seven diamonds
>Made a nether exclusive block into yet another overworld block with an item already oversaturated with uses (Lodestones)
>Any mob vote winner
>Sniffers. (Lmao)
>Adding echo shards when they only exist to go into another niche item
>Allowing mending and diamond armor to be renewable for a single emerald
>Iron farms existing in any capacity
>Many mobs being useless outright
>Spyglass crafting recipe not even making sense
>Woodland mansions being rendered completely obsolete by raids
>Totems being farmable in any capacity
>Camels being horses but worse in every way
>Wind charged potion doesn't even work
>Ominous trials buff you with potions making it easier
>Elytras. Nuff said.
"Especially when you consider how many different playstyles need to be accounted for."
They only care about builders and occasionally a niche redstone component. Lmao.
@@LtzPlusGG_ I get where you're coming from. There is a lot to be disliked about the current state of things, but saying that the developers "don't care" doesn't help anyone.
I’m happy with the devs, I’m not happy with the community. The community voted for armadillos and that’s just straight up unforgivable
this combat was way cooler, it was faster paced but also not cps based
Funny fact
Steve flying with elytra holding an inventory full of shulkers filled with anvils has weight capacity of 9 ANN-225 Aircrafts.
2 233 800 kg of anvils ( 50KG average anvil weight calculation)
The trial chamber ARE important for the new pvp experience tho
The mace and wind charges are extremely important aspect of both crystal and smps
I swear I’ve seen this video in my recommended so many times with a different thumbnail each time lol
I really wish the potion changes were added to the game, its such a pain to carry potions in the vanilla game, and the update would have made them so much more useful
i think the idea of the old combat snapshots is really cool
I think it is good that the combat tests are not being added. It will just cause another controversy, and I wouldn't like to go back a version to play on the current version. I think it can just be a gamerule (along with 1.8 pvp) and that would solve all the issues. Being able to use the latest items like wind charges and the mace on 1.8 pvp would be great for those who want it.
I think we'll get the combat update.
I don't know when, but I just think it'll happen eventually at some point in time.
I'm sick of the game getting held back because of the mobile version.
As someone who makes mods, I wonder what takes mojang so long. It's not that overly complicated, no different than them adding all the mob vote mobs. It should have taken a team of that size no more than a week or 2.
They have to support mobile devices on bedrock which tages ages because phones are not that strong
@CoolLink-Zelda I think that’s part of it, but I think most of the time is spent fixing bugs or making sure the new stuff doesn’t interfere with already established mechanics.
They work on personal projects while waiting the month or so it probably takes for Microsoft to give them any feedback on what they sent in.
@CoolLink-Zelda Or, they could just give up on java to bedrock parity and say "Hey, these 2 versions are different, java is only for pc so you can have some special updates that would only work on pc, and bedrock is for those who want to play with most of the minecraft playerbase"
Hey, bro. I hear you. My childhood experience is the same as yours. African parents share a parenting manual.
Take a shot every time he says combat in the intro to instantly die
I dont really care about what combat system will be in minecraft cuz i always make my own the best for server type cuz SMP should have different pvp system than RPG servers
I actually like the 'i can outrange and joust the spammers' thing. It was an 'experiment' sadly.
There are some changes they could easily bring into the game that wouldn't cause any significant issues like stacking potions to 16 and possibly Cleaving. Although, Cleaving seems to be widely disliked so maybe just the potion stacking. I would personally love stackable potions. It's annoying to me that they never stacked and made regular instant health and regeneration potions pretty pointless since you can just make golden apples that stack to 64 instead. Sure, it's more expensive and annoying to get the apples needed but the fact that you can carry 64 of them in one slot and can't carry more than one regen or health potion makes them much better. Especially since you get other effects from gapples as well. Unless you can't access apples for some reason, there is no reason not to use gapples over health potions and regen potions. I guess you could use splash health potions to harm undead mobs or heal your pets but other than fighting the wither, I doubt anyone uses those. Maybe in multiplayer to heal both their friend and themself. I just think that those potions would be way more useful if they stacked.
I honestly think there should be two or three updates with NO NEW CONTENT AT ALL, just improvements of the existing mechanics. Enchanting is broken, combat is broken, villager trading is broken, and so on. There are so many dumb structures that add NOTHING to the game. I personally think there should be 4 updates with no new features at all:
1- Structures updates. For making old and uselles structures to be on par with new ones like trial chambers. Imagine what a jungle temple could be?
2- Enchantment update: I personally like the idea of having to visit ancient structures to learn and unlock new enchantments. Just buying a book from the villagers is too dumb.
3- Trading update: Please nerf trading halls. Make so villagers have a structure of interest that they need to visit for them to refresh their trades. Like, a farmer needs to have a proper farm for him to sell you stuff, not just stare at a composter. I relly like something like millenaire or minecolonies.
4- Combat update. Self explanatory.
Honestly, I think we're better off just having someone implement the features as a mod than we are waiting and hoping on Mojang doing it.
in that interview agnes directly translated was talking about the "fight system", make of that what you will
Only thing I absolutely despise about the combat experiments is the change where taking damage interrupts eating. That has to go.
You need to stop lying in your thumbnails and faking tweets.
here in pvp civilization
stacking potions should be in game rn, its a long over due change.
I don’t understand why they add new features while ignoring the fact bedrock is missing the Regen, heart and other particles while in combat, sweeping edge, sword delay and axe cool down etc. (I mainly want stackable potions)
whoever makes a mod that adds all of the snapshot changes shall be forever immortalized in the community as a hero (and please make it for forge 1.20.1 for totally no specific reason😊)
combat nouveau kinda does it, but not fully and also adds its own things which i personally don't like such as removing the sweep attack from swords unless they have the enchantment
Maybe because everyone and the newer generations are used to the new combat from 1.9 makes this more controversial if it happens meaning a repeat of the 2016 disaster
then tell them to suck it up, add it anyway, and just add a gamerule option to revert it
Yeah back when the combat snapshots were being released there was an openly hostile 1.8 combat community to Mojang. Nowadays that community has basically collapsed.
OP is wrong. People were very excited for these changes when we were play testing them
Nope, everyone was excited for this and its literally a better version merging both 1.8 and 1.9
the 1.9 controversy was mainly cuz its just bad. Don't get me wrong, 1.8 should absolutely be burnt with fire, but 1.9 is no better. Combat snapshots are not just a combination of both, it's a thoughtful rework that makes combat significantly better and not just "changed"
Hey im a native german speaker and I have read the article
It sas "for example the combat system, in that way we want make it so that for every minecraft player there is something for tham
I just want stackable potions man :
Every year I beg for this update to come out, but It never does 😢😭
Not as bad as the Evolution of Combat in Runescape. I think that initially they were REALLY worried about it being as big a problem as EoC, but over time realized that it wouldn’t be necessary so they put it on the backburner
Oh damn they were cooking with the snapshots
The funniest part about the combat update to me is how many servers still refuse to move over to newer versions. Because removing spam clicking is life ruining for players I guess
I think we need an enchanting rework/update before this
I think Jeb was in charge of it and abandoned it. Probably because as life in a company goes, he was asked to help on other things and it just fell on the back burner. Now its probably sitting on the to do list. Thats why the PR responses more lean towards, "dont expect any updates to combat for now". Because nobody currently is working on it. It might change in the coming months, years. But for now its just a bulletin on a long list
The update Mojang will never release? Wdym combat snapshots, I thought you were talking about the End Update.
Hahaha I still hold out hope for that
@@TheMisterEpic I think it's gonna come out eventually
right now the main problem with mc pvp is it takes like 10-20 minutes to kill a player we keep getting tankier with out getting stronger
Thought I was watching a destiny video with that music for a second
MC combat will always be, to me, like watching two cats slapping each other. It’s awkward to play and boring to watch. MC is not my go to fighting game and killing mobs is just a means to an ends.