Thanks for taking time to play the game on 7 different versions and provide us some great content! I turn 32 this month, so seeing your videos is bringing back some great memories. :)
For those who don't know, RenderWare is also the engine used on the Burnout series and was created by its developer Criterion. If I remember correctly, Canon (the camera company) was also involved in the creation and distribution of RenderWare in some way (they are named in the rights section of some versions of it).
Canon as far as I remember was owner of criterion or renderware at some point, then they sold Criterion to EA after renderware became irrelevant for next gen consoles that was now taken over by more advanced unreal Engine 3 which 2x versions was not so popular on console market as renderware. I can't say for sure now many ps2 and Xbox 1 games used it but my impression was that like every second game on consoles and their pc ports was based on renderware , so it was very profitable for Canon to buy it, but then it aged and was not ready for next generation and ps2 and Xbox era finished, so as interest of Canon.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE from what I read, Criterion used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Canon until being sold to EA sometime in 2003 to 2004. One of the last uses of Renderware was Burnout Paradise where EA ceased further development of the HD rendition "because there were better engines on the market" and "to focus resources on other engines", namely, what would eventually become Frostbite, which every EA studio uses. Renderware was so popular back in the day as it was one of the few readily available engines that was highly compatible with the PS2 which many developers found very difficult to code and develop for making it a popular solution to getting games onto the biggest selling console at the time with even some of Sony's own studios and first party games opting to use this engine over ones provided to them by Sony.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE according to the official NFS wiki, both Criterion NFS games run on Criterion's Chameleon engine or a modified form of it (depending on which game you're talking about). Burnout Paradise is still one of the last games to utilize the engine (being around the 7th or 8th last game to use it) and, depending on who you ask, Burnout Paradise Remastered still used that engine and had it ported so it could be used making it the last use of the engine as of 2018.
Aspyr ported the original Xbox version of the game to PC and then Mac from PC. original Xbox version would be the best one because not only you could run it at 720p but also play Custom soundtracks from your own CDs.
Yes the PS1 was still relevant in 2002 and I did play Tony Hawk's 4 in it, considering the aging hardware, it's a very good game and the shorter draw distances weren't a problem. After that I played the PC version a lot and have been wanting to try it on Windows 10 for sometime, but it didn't work as well as it does today, the widescreen fix with increased resolution makes it the best version, I have tried the PS2 when I couldn't get the PC to work and even using PCSX2 enhanced features, it just wasn't the same. Thanks to your video, I now know why.
All of PC ports from consoles suffering low contrast and washed out colors because 99% of devs doesn't compensate the difference between TV and PC color space, tv has limited rgb space of 16-235 while PC has 0-255, so black in almost every game supposed to be at 16 and white at 235, but on PC they turns into dark and light greys and whole color range got shifted. You can compensated it by using gamma, contrast and brightness sliders in games that has it but best way is to play on TV and set video card color range to full 0-255 while TV should be set to limited 16-235. However captured footage will be in limited range, so you have to manually do limited to full expansion of video or you should keep both PC and TV in full range but use dgvoodoo in old games and reshade with levels or my extended levels shader set to 16-235 range to get a proper colors. Also for some reason ps1 and ps2 ports has greenish tint that was compensated by TV,, so adjusting RGB balance and adding more red or reducing green also with reshade is needed to make a proper color balance. Most notable examples are Hitman and Freedom Fighters games as well as Second Sight, they are so green on PC but they should not be like that if you look at GC and Xbox versions.
That's because of TV then was cheaper to use limited rgb than full color range. And now at least the good TV's have full rgb control (also led could make it full rgb as well). I had grown up from using cathode tube monitors and TV's to LED TV's and monitors. And PC was actually expensive then as well.
@@killertruth186 modern TV broadcast and all sorts of video players including video streaming still use limited color range until it's HDR, and modern console games still calibrated for limited color range by default and when you set console and TV to output in full range, console does automatic expansion of limited range to full, which makes console games look correct if tv and console settings match. It doesn't happen on PC, games are ported with color calibrations set to limited range, while PC outputs to full range by default in every software, so colors doesn't get expanded as they are on modern consoles, and to get correct colors in 99% of games you should set your video card to output as full range, but display or TV to output as limited range. This will over saturated a little OS ui, but games and movies will look as intended.There are very few modern games that actually ported properly with expanded color range or with settings that usually named as rec709 color range in SDR, and it does the correction if color range. I remember very few of such games - resident evil 2 remake, some of recent call of duty games and few more. In old games you could correct this manually if they had 3 sliders for gamma, brightness and contrast, but nowadays most of games only have brightness slider which is also often could be missnamed contrast and gamma slider which is not enough to properly set white and black levels, so reshade with extended levels shader which I made (it's in legacy pack) is best solution, especially if you want games not just be displayed properly on your display but also recorded and streamed with proper color range. Hardware solution is also problematic because not every PC display has settings for limited or full color range, so shaders is the only way for them. I wish this problem to be addressed on windows systemn level so you could set color range for each game in compatibility settings and set some global options to use limited to full expansion for all games (same way as windows does autoHDR now).
@@YOBAMUSTDIE Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind is one of those games. Since there's only 2 ports. But the only reason why the fact of PC ports gets the wrong color, or terrible color correction is because of the choices of TV industry had gone the specific route. The devs of the games always use the simple methods of porting, because of time and money. Trying to buy TV if it was as expensive like the monitor back in those years, is like buying graphics cards at inflated prices and the money doesn't go to the scalpers. I am sure that you don't want to buy a TV that much.
@@killertruth186 I use 55 inches TV as display for my PC for half of decade and I don't want to go back to PC displays after that and deal with wrong colors and other things that tvs do better. PC displays should only be used in office job, at home all PC displays should be replaced with modern TV's for all the multimedia entertainment purposes.
The xbox version was in a league of its own. Small graphics improvements while also bumping the resolution to 720p and maintaining 60fps. This makes the 7th gen console games performance look like a joke.
But the trees are completely messed up in the xbox version compared to ps2 which makes sense since xbox couldn't handle transparency textures well. Its also way to over saturated with skin colors looking reddish. Pretty clearly meant for ps2 then ported over to the rest.
for the mac version, it would prolly play a lot better if you used a powerpc based mac, since the game was released before apple started using intel processors
I play it on ps3 with the 1080p upscaler and widescreen and I thought it looked good but I dunno. I know you were playing with the native settings, I’m just saying how it looks on ps3
02:14 | It doesn't exactly use the same engine like THPS 2&3. The timing for button presses are different in 4. You can't slide over the buttons to kickflip out of a grind for example. You have to jump and then press the combination for the flip fast. 08:48 | I don't get why they made the controls complicated on PC. Revert is mapped to the same button as nollie and switch stance + they rotate. I wanted to play this gem again on PC but I'm thinking about PS2 emulation because of the better controls and it can be displayed at higher resolution. Also widescreen can be patched into the PS2 version as well. Great video! :)
Itagaki estimated the gap in power between the PS2 and Xbox to be in the neighborhood of 500%. Looking at the chips -- and results -- sometimes I think his assertion was an understatement.
THPS3 and 4 and the GTA series were not the only games that used the Renderware engine, many other games use it too including the already compaired Burnout 3 and the 2 games before it, and, strangly, even the 2 Persona games on PS2, Persona 3 and Persona 4.
@@123OGNIAN i dont know what Swiss is. It can be disabled on Dolphin and you get a text explanation on what is it, but it makes little difference in high resolution upscaled, tho is very noticeable in real hardware. I personally wouldnt take it off unless ypu want your GC/Wii to look like flickery trembling Ps2 graphics.
@@jhkuno88 the game was originally made on ps2 and ported to other systems, that anti aliasing is ruining the texture designs and how it was intended to be seen. Same way ps1 games that got ported to n64 looking worse since anti aliasing was never intended.
I thought the PS2 was the only console of the generation that could output at a resolution higher than 480p but I guess you learn something new everyday.
Xbox is clearly supperior, however back then people were playing on CRTs, so lower resolution wasnt an issue. In fact on CRT picture from PS2 was sharper, because xbox was using mipmapping (it fix texture aliasing but the trade off is blur) with blurry flicker filter on top of that (this flicker filter is turned off only for component output, although if you mod your xbox you can also turn if off on standard cables).
Edit: I've uploaded the a cleaner capture of the Gamecube game on my channel. ruclips.net/video/ZbQPZ6MTScI/видео.html Great video, but the Gamecube being so blurry is a problem with your capture setup; I tried it out myself, and it looks really sharp, the pixels are all really clear, moreso than the PS2, and you can see all the detail you'd expect from 480p. I can get a video or screenshots up if anyone is doubtful.
@@RookerVision It doesn't seem to handle 480p so well, then. By the way, no disrespect, because I love what you do and it's valuable to have such detailed comparisons between each version. It also doesn't need to be perfect video capture. It's just people are getting the idea that the Gamecube version is really blurry, when that isn't the case with the game itself.
I tried the Gamecube version myself, and I can assure you, it's not actually blurry at all. The pixels look really crisp. There's something up with the capture here.
@@terry2295 Yeah, I've uploaded a demonstration here: ruclips.net/video/ZbQPZ6MTScI/видео.html Everyone's capture or gameplay setup is different, but yeah it's certainly not an issue with the game itself.
I mean...can the PC version even be played with modern gamepads? And does it support rumble? Most PC games back then didn't. I think I would rather play the Xbox version again (owned it back in the day, but didn't own an HDTV).
thps3/4 are so shit on PS1, while its the same engine, the amount of objects in the game was just too much for the console, so they cut the crap out of it.
Never played 4, but I played 3 on the psx a lot and is a ecelent game. Same intro and all the music as the ps2. And although graphics are not on par, levels have been redesigned (still big) but with new events, making them a must for the fans . Also 1 or 2 unique levels on the psx .
@@harryshuman9637 That is correct for most of the time. And indeed, th3 on newer consoles is way better . I suppose it was the nostalgia within me talking here hehe .When I was a kid and got his game, I didn't even knew there was a ps2 and newer consoles . Cheers 👍
This channel is really getting good at its editing and humor. It was already good before but I’d say it’s getting better :DD
Thank you
Wow, Xbox was impressive back in the day, 60 fps and 720p.
Looks good for a 6th gen console
The Dreamcast 2
720p?
@@elfaraon1xbox is 720p
Thanks for taking time to play the game on 7 different versions and provide us some great content! I turn 32 this month, so seeing your videos is bringing back some great memories. :)
For those who don't know, RenderWare is also the engine used on the Burnout series and was created by its developer Criterion. If I remember correctly, Canon (the camera company) was also involved in the creation and distribution of RenderWare in some way (they are named in the rights section of some versions of it).
Canon as far as I remember was owner of criterion or renderware at some point, then they sold Criterion to EA after renderware became irrelevant for next gen consoles that was now taken over by more advanced unreal Engine 3 which 2x versions was not so popular on console market as renderware. I can't say for sure now many ps2 and Xbox 1 games used it but my impression was that like every second game on consoles and their pc ports was based on renderware , so it was very profitable for Canon to buy it, but then it aged and was not ready for next generation and ps2 and Xbox era finished, so as interest of Canon.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE from what I read, Criterion used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Canon until being sold to EA sometime in 2003 to 2004. One of the last uses of Renderware was Burnout Paradise where EA ceased further development of the HD rendition "because there were better engines on the market" and "to focus resources on other engines", namely, what would eventually become Frostbite, which every EA studio uses. Renderware was so popular back in the day as it was one of the few readily available engines that was highly compatible with the PS2 which many developers found very difficult to code and develop for making it a popular solution to getting games onto the biggest selling console at the time with even some of Sony's own studios and first party games opting to use this engine over ones provided to them by Sony.
@@jakd.rabbit need for speed games made by criterion used same renderware engine as burnout paradise, until ea fully shifted to frostbite.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE according to the official NFS wiki, both Criterion NFS games run on Criterion's Chameleon engine or a modified form of it (depending on which game you're talking about). Burnout Paradise is still one of the last games to utilize the engine (being around the 7th or 8th last game to use it) and, depending on who you ask, Burnout Paradise Remastered still used that engine and had it ported so it could be used making it the last use of the engine as of 2018.
@@YOBAMUSTDIE - I'm still convinced EA bought Criterion during that era because Renderware was so good they didn't want competitors licensing it
Aspyr ported the original Xbox version of the game to PC and then Mac from PC. original Xbox version would be the best one because not only you could run it at 720p but also play Custom soundtracks from your own CDs.
That is cool
I’ve been waiting for this Side by Side for a while! Very happy when I got the notification. Really nice job!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Your voice makes these comparisons more interesting LOL! BTW would love to see Grand Theft Auto V's comparison
Thank you.
Got this game on Xbox. My favorite in the series!
Yes the PS1 was still relevant in 2002 and I did play Tony Hawk's 4 in it, considering the aging hardware, it's a very good game and the shorter draw distances weren't a problem. After that I played the PC version a lot and have been wanting to try it on Windows 10 for sometime, but it didn't work as well as it does today, the widescreen fix with increased resolution makes it the best version, I have tried the PS2 when I couldn't get the PC to work and even using PCSX2 enhanced features, it just wasn't the same. Thanks to your video, I now know why.
Manhunt 1 is a great game to compare the graphics.
Good pick
All of PC ports from consoles suffering low contrast and washed out colors because 99% of devs doesn't compensate the difference between TV and PC color space, tv has limited rgb space of 16-235 while PC has 0-255, so black in almost every game supposed to be at 16 and white at 235, but on PC they turns into dark and light greys and whole color range got shifted. You can compensated it by using gamma, contrast and brightness sliders in games that has it but best way is to play on TV and set video card color range to full 0-255 while TV should be set to limited 16-235. However captured footage will be in limited range, so you have to manually do limited to full expansion of video or you should keep both PC and TV in full range but use dgvoodoo in old games and reshade with levels or my extended levels shader set to 16-235 range to get a proper colors.
Also for some reason ps1 and ps2 ports has greenish tint that was compensated by TV,, so adjusting RGB balance and adding more red or reducing green also with reshade is needed to make a proper color balance. Most notable examples are Hitman and Freedom Fighters games as well as Second Sight, they are so green on PC but they should not be like that if you look at GC and Xbox versions.
That's because of TV then was cheaper to use limited rgb than full color range. And now at least the good TV's have full rgb control (also led could make it full rgb as well). I had grown up from using cathode tube monitors and TV's to LED TV's and monitors.
And PC was actually expensive then as well.
@@killertruth186 modern TV broadcast and all sorts of video players including video streaming still use limited color range until it's HDR, and modern console games still calibrated for limited color range by default and when you set console and TV to output in full range, console does automatic expansion of limited range to full, which makes console games look correct if tv and console settings match.
It doesn't happen on PC, games are ported with color calibrations set to limited range, while PC outputs to full range by default in every software, so colors doesn't get expanded as they are on modern consoles, and to get correct colors in 99% of games you should set your video card to output as full range, but display or TV to output as limited range. This will over saturated a little OS ui, but games and movies will look as intended.There are very few modern games that actually ported properly with expanded color range or with settings that usually named as rec709 color range in SDR, and it does the correction if color range. I remember very few of such games - resident evil 2 remake, some of recent call of duty games and few more.
In old games you could correct this manually if they had 3 sliders for gamma, brightness and contrast, but nowadays most of games only have brightness slider which is also often could be missnamed contrast and gamma slider which is not enough to properly set white and black levels, so reshade with extended levels shader which I made (it's in legacy pack) is best solution, especially if you want games not just be displayed properly on your display but also recorded and streamed with proper color range.
Hardware solution is also problematic because not every PC display has settings for limited or full color range, so shaders is the only way for them. I wish this problem to be addressed on windows systemn level so you could set color range for each game in compatibility settings and set some global options to use limited to full expansion for all games (same way as windows does autoHDR now).
@@YOBAMUSTDIE Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind is one of those games. Since there's only 2 ports.
But the only reason why the fact of PC ports gets the wrong color, or terrible color correction is because of the choices of TV industry had gone the specific route. The devs of the games always use the simple methods of porting, because of time and money.
Trying to buy TV if it was as expensive like the monitor back in those years, is like buying graphics cards at inflated prices and the money doesn't go to the scalpers. I am sure that you don't want to buy a TV that much.
@@killertruth186 I use 55 inches TV as display for my PC for half of decade and I don't want to go back to PC displays after that and deal with wrong colors and other things that tvs do better. PC displays should only be used in office job, at home all PC displays should be replaced with modern TV's for all the multimedia entertainment purposes.
Great video! :)
Fight Night Round 3 nxt please!
4:11 ya got the logos mixed there, buddy
This was so much better then a regular comparasion
Thank you. Means a ton
Great Video 👍BTW I would love to see you do a Side by Side on SSX 3
Noted!
@@RookerVision YES!!!! Especially that Beautiful bring back for Xbox One/ Xbox Series X in full 1080p
My childhood on PS2
Love ps2 :D
The xbox version was in a league of its own. Small graphics improvements while also bumping the resolution to 720p and maintaining 60fps. This makes the 7th gen console games performance look like a joke.
But the trees are completely messed up in the xbox version compared to ps2 which makes sense since xbox couldn't handle transparency textures well. Its also way to over saturated with skin colors looking reddish. Pretty clearly meant for ps2 then ported over to the rest.
The GameCube versions are compressed due to the tiny disc space. I still love them though.
THPS4 ❤
I love this channel man
Thank You
Can you compare Marvel Vs Capcom 2 from different consoles or ports next
The new intro looks so cool!
for the mac version, it would prolly play a lot better if you used a powerpc based mac, since the game was released before apple started using intel processors
Thank you man, all your videos are always great!
I play it on ps3 with the 1080p upscaler and widescreen and I thought it looked good but I dunno. I know you were playing with the native settings, I’m just saying how it looks on ps3
You forgot the hitman games which pushed the ps2 to its limit
02:14 | It doesn't exactly use the same engine like THPS 2&3. The timing for button presses are different in 4. You can't slide over the buttons to kickflip out of a grind for example. You have to jump and then press the combination for the flip fast.
08:48 | I don't get why they made the controls complicated on PC. Revert is mapped to the same button as nollie and switch stance + they rotate. I wanted to play this gem again on PC but I'm thinking about PS2 emulation because of the better controls and it can be displayed at higher resolution. Also widescreen can be patched into the PS2 version as well.
Great video! :)
PS1 was still pretty good comparing the graphics jump to PS2
The Xbox running at 720p while PS2 at 480i makes it look like an unfair cross generation comparison, only it's not
Itagaki estimated the gap in power between the PS2 and Xbox to be in the neighborhood of 500%.
Looking at the chips -- and results -- sometimes I think his assertion was an understatement.
Great channel came back recently never failed to amuse me.
1:50 Oh my gosh, that haircut is real!!!
hahahaha
Amazing Video 🔥😎
Thank you
THPS3 and 4 and the GTA series were not the only games that used the Renderware engine, many other games use it too including the already compaired Burnout 3 and the 2 games before it, and, strangly, even the 2 Persona games on PS2, Persona 3 and Persona 4.
I need to play Pro Skater with a PS2 controller. That's what my handy 20 inch CRT is for
Somehow , I highly doubt the gamecube looks that blurry . Looks like 480i and not 480p .
I wonder what looks best on modern PC. Dolphin, Pcsx2, or Xenia?
I’ve been watching your videos scince 29 k subs your the best RUclipsr
I noticed an error you made about the school bus on San Francisco. That's not the school bus, that's the trolley.
Love your video Ninja!!
Thank you.
Ssx on tour? Please!😅 Comparation
The GC has a thing called DeFlicker filter to blur the jaggies out.
It can be turned off with swiss, correct ?
@@123OGNIAN i dont know what Swiss is. It can be disabled on Dolphin and you get a text explanation on what is it, but it makes little difference in high resolution upscaled, tho is very noticeable in real hardware. I personally wouldnt take it off unless ypu want your GC/Wii to look like flickery trembling Ps2 graphics.
@@jhkuno88 The blur looks so ugly and the game wasnt even designed with that blur in mind anyways.
@@untested3344 its a cheap solution to a big problem, Ps2 aliased graphics arent ideal either
@@jhkuno88 the game was originally made on ps2 and ported to other systems, that anti aliasing is ruining the texture designs and how it was intended to be seen. Same way ps1 games that got ported to n64 looking worse since anti aliasing was never intended.
I thought the PS2 was the only console of the generation that could output at a resolution higher than 480p but I guess you learn something new everyday.
Why did u think that
@@User-ge7ni I was under that assumption given that Gran Turismo 4 could run at 1080u
0:22 omg 😂
Did you do a Tiny Hawk 1 & 2 video?
1:50 What scene is this
I was legit about to do this with madden games
Good thing this game is from 2003 or else Japan don't know how to name this game
I love your channel!
Thank you so much!
Xbox has way better resolution, better shadows, better textures, better grass. PS2 and Gamecube aren't even remotely close.
you are correct
I'm glad to have gotten the Xbox version.
First
Lol. My sister grew up with the ps2 but got the ps1 version instead.
With all due respect, I select the 6th generation over the 5th.
Pro Skater 4 is a good game (i have this on my OG Xbox) but.. for me Pro Skater 2 and 3 is most better.
Subbed
PC version is clearly superior and it was the best Tony Hawk's Pro Skater game port back then.
Can you do the 2003 movie based hulk game
How do I download thps3 and 4 on my pc
I'm impressed by the Xbox actually
Xbox is clearly supperior, however back then people were playing on CRTs, so lower resolution wasnt an issue. In fact on CRT picture from PS2 was sharper, because xbox was using mipmapping (it fix texture aliasing but the trade off is blur) with blurry flicker filter on top of that (this flicker filter is turned off only for component output, although if you mod your xbox you can also turn if off on standard cables).
Do A comparison of MTV celebrity death match video Jurassic ninja
Edit: I've uploaded the a cleaner capture of the Gamecube game on my channel. ruclips.net/video/ZbQPZ6MTScI/видео.html
Great video, but the Gamecube being so blurry is a problem with your capture setup; I tried it out myself, and it looks really sharp, the pixels are all really clear, moreso than the PS2, and you can see all the detail you'd expect from 480p. I can get a video or screenshots up if anyone is doubtful.
I use the same capture for every console.
@@RookerVision It doesn't seem to handle 480p so well, then.
By the way, no disrespect, because I love what you do and it's valuable to have such detailed comparisons between each version. It also doesn't need to be perfect video capture. It's just people are getting the idea that the Gamecube version is really blurry, when that isn't the case with the game itself.
my first skating game was skate 3
Edit: I would rather play with the ailiasing of the ps2 than with the blur of the gamecube
@Paul Bell the pc version
I tried the Gamecube version myself, and I can assure you, it's not actually blurry at all. The pixels look really crisp. There's something up with the capture here.
@@tehFoxx0rz intresting if that is the case then I would change my mind about rather playing with aliasing on the ps2
@@terry2295 Yeah, I've uploaded a demonstration here: ruclips.net/video/ZbQPZ6MTScI/видео.html
Everyone's capture or gameplay setup is different, but yeah it's certainly not an issue with the game itself.
Can you do Metal Gear Solid 3 next
Please Sonic Heroes. GC vs PS2 vs XBOX vs PC
The Tony Hawk series was good up until Pro Skater 5 that game was filled with bugs and glitches at Launch and outdated graphics and bad physics
I mean...can the PC version even be played with modern gamepads? And does it support rumble? Most PC games back then didn't. I think I would rather play the Xbox version again (owned it back in the day, but didn't own an HDTV).
Hi
Yay im early!
How do you get on pc?
8:05 .....? Why you use text to speech voice?
Btw do you plan on making First resident evil dreamcast game vs last resident evil dreamcast game
Because I said PS2 by mistake and I didn't want to record my voice at that moment.. lol
@@RookerVision oh
@@RookerVision btw what do you of my Jurassic battle idea? First resident evil dreamcast game vs last resident evil dreamcast game
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Gta 5 comparison
this dude really simped for Jenna Jameson instead of showing Eddie from Iron Maiden?! Dislikeeeeeee
thps3/4 are so shit on PS1, while its the same engine, the amount of objects in the game was just too much for the console, so they cut the crap out of it.
Never played 4, but I played 3 on the psx a lot and is a ecelent game. Same intro and all the music as the ps2. And although graphics are not on par, levels have been redesigned (still big) but with new events, making them a must for the fans . Also 1 or 2 unique levels on the psx .
@@thesteammachine1282 I'm sure the games are good, but when compared to their versions on the newer consoles they are terrible.
@@harryshuman9637 That is correct for most of the time. And indeed, th3 on newer consoles is way better . I suppose it was the nostalgia within me talking here hehe .When I was a kid and got his game, I didn't even knew there was a ps2 and newer consoles .
Cheers 👍