I've got a Japanese made Vanguard in 7mag also, that I bought about thirty years ago. Rich walnut stock, slippery smooth action, and as accurate as a laser-guided missile.
My powerline deer rifle was a Remington 700 LSS 7m Mag. Shooting hand load 115 grain sighted 2" high @100 yds was only 3" low @ 300 yds could shoot 5/8" 3 round group @ 100 yds for some reason the gun would not group with factory ammo
I think we all have a place in our heart's for 308! Affordable, tons of data etc... I love it but still loading 223 Wylde for now until I get my skills up to bigger powder levels.
One cartridge for everything really depends on location and critter. WTW and I being similar area could range from 6mm/243 to 300 W. M. I honestly can say a .243 Winchester and good 90 to 100 gr for whitetail to 58gr to 100 gr for varmints. With a fast twist barrel 80 to 115 gr on targets out to and beyond a 1000. If you brush hunt deer .270 to 45-70 according to whether an open field or powerline, pipeline cut is close. That could bring 6 to 800 yards or better. I like the 6.5 creedmoor with a good heavy for caliber bullet. Works good for varmint and target out to some long pokes. I've taken Whitetail at 425 give or take with a little. 243 Winchester and a good 100 gr bullet. I can buy from 58gr to 100gr factory ammo relatively easy. 30-06 and 308 are the same only 120gr to 200gr. I hunt varmint, whitetail and shoot target from 50 to 1000 at times 1200 yards regularly. 1500 some. That 6.5 creedmoor gets all that done. If I'm out and for some reason my handloads aren't available, it's on most gun oriented shelves. I'm banged up so lighter recoil is something I need. Doesn't hurt that you can spot your impacts for correction. Enough gun for the job. A good bullet for the job. With enough practice in all weather, with confidence you can make the shot at that distance for a quick kill.
I bought my Ruger M77 in 7mm Rem Mag back in 1974. No regrets. It isn’t the latest and greatest, but I was slinging 7mm lead long before it was fashionable. 😁
Yes, I bought my Ruger M77 7mm Mag in 1995, with a regular ol' Burris Fullfield 3x9 on it. It's built like the proverbial brick $#!thouse, and has never failed me. Love the rifle, love the cartridge
Piet is exactly right! What you classify as long range is dependent on the shooter! Some people think 500 yards is long range and others is 1500 yards. We are individual and we can only make that determination for ourselves. I love how Cortina talks about the 7mm-08. It is such a sweetheart and I sure have a soft spot for it in my heart! I recently had an extensive shoulder surgery and I’m only able to shoot, with my opposite shoulder, up to a .270 Winchester as for recoil impulse (thank you for you chart by the way, my doctor and I looked at it and he said that if I stay below 18 ft-lbs free recoil energy I will be safe to not loosen any anchors or the adhesive) for a full year after my shoulder surgery. So as a tribute to the 100 year anniversary of the creation for the .270 Winchester, that’s all I will be hunting with this fall and next spring bear season. Thanks for the intriguing content!
Pete did a competition with a 223 and did well. I like the 223 for longer ranges it’s fun, cheap & can do it all day without fatigue and spending a lot of $
Yep - 69 grain Sierra match king bullets work great to ~500 yards. When you get much further than that, it's kind of hard to hear the steel or see the holes.
That was great, you guys should have your own channels lol. Bloody awesome for a quick chat that amount of experience, knowledge, community support and professionalism , priceless. Seriously this should be a regular thing. Thanks mate.
MORE OF THIS! Nothing beats a conversation of experts! oh to be a fly on the wall for this whole series...the knowledge transferred I am sure was amazing. Thank you all for traveling and getting together for friendly competition.
Thank you, Nils; for your perspective. I shoot 600 yds with my 5.56/223 Ruger RPR and love it. I use 68, 69 75 & 77 grains for 600. 55 and 62 for 200-300. I can shoot way more for less money and have just as much fun if not more fun. I also shoot 22lr Ruger RPR at 200 yards and love it. I am lucky my local range has 50, 100, 200, 300 & 600-yard ranges.
If I was going to take a new shooter and had to make them quickly proficient out to 5-600y for a reasonable amount of money I'd probably pick a fast twist .223 with a ~80gn Berger/smk. Something to be said for a gun that is easy to shoot and does not provide any recoil fatigue.
Exactly 👍 Been shooting 600yd F T/R with .223 except out of an AR platform for the past year. I think the AR is forcing me to work hard on basic marksmanship skills to stay competitive with the bolt gun guys. Now if I could only figure out the magic of wind reading. I will say I've probably spent more on this gun than I would have just buying an RPR or Bergara like I was originally going to, but, a couple people told me I couldn't be competitive with one, and I'm fairly stubborn.
As somebody who's traveled a lot I guarantee it wasn't cheap Jim harmer of backfire. Probably spent ten thousand putting this all together with everybody's flights room food maybe even payment for showing up
I feel so validated by this. I have been saying for YEARS that 7mm is the sweet spot for LR but because 30 cal has been king for so long even getting bullets at your local shop was sometimes tough.
My favorite is the 6.5cm. I know people hate it but it does do well up to 1k and it's affordable and available. My other favorite is the 300 prc and I agree on the 6 dasher. Awesome round.
@@longrange1114 have you shot the 280 ai? It's sweet. I'm also curious about this 277 fury from sig. Haven't had the opportunity to shoot with it yet tho
I love my 270 for hunting but if I had to switch it would probably be the 7mm-08. They are both phenomenal on anything in Texas out to 400 yards. I like the 223 in hornady frontier 75g bthp they do well and the 6.5 grendal is becoming a favorite on hogs.
Who Tee Who is the only one that remotely had a reasonable answer for us hunters! Love that guy, down to earth. I wanted to hear an answer from Jim as well. But I guess the question wasn't just about long range hunting although that's what most of us are trying to figure out. I have a 7mm mag but struggle to get it to consistently shoot MOA and am considering one of the more accurate modern PRC / creedmoor cartridges that are easier to shoot accurately.
Interesting viewpoint on 7 mm. I’ve been shooting a 280 Ackley Improved since the early 90s and have had but stellar results from it. It’s accurate and from my rifle’s 24 inch barrel, it gets the same velocities as were posted here for the 7 mm mag. It uses less powder, though, and recoil is not bad at all, even from a light hunting gun.
Piet raised a very important point on the term "what is long range shooting?". He is 100% correct in his view of being calibre specific. We all can grab a .30-06 and shoot at target at 100 yards and hit it 5/5, but not any person will hit that same target with a .22LR more than 3/5. The point Piet makes is that your core principles of shooting "long range" will apply equally with a .22LR at 100 yards as it would at 1000 yards with a 7 PRC. The elements will be exactly the same, e.g. wind drift, bullet drop, kinetic energy down range, ect. I will add to his point by saying it also applies to purpose specific as well, because what is considered long range on the shooting range is not equal to what is in a hunting scenario, which Adam rightfully pointed out as well. Shooting at paper and steel at a 1000 yards is one thing, but taking a shot at an animal at that same distance is not ethical by any means nor should it be advocated for. Dr. Kevin Robertson, a best selling author, registered PH in Zimbabwe for more than 30 years and a specialist in buffalo hunting summed it up beautifully. Anything beyond 320 yards is not hunting, that's killing at distance. It's about using your abilities against the animal in his/ her own environment to get as close as possible to take the animal as ethically as possible. Thigs like reliable bullet expansion, bullet penetration, bullet momentum / speed and kinetic energy comes into play here. So well done to Piet and Adam for raising these points. Currie Cup stuff, boy'tjie!! 🏆
Hard to go wrong with a 7mm. You can get match or hunting bullets anywhere from 120-197gr, push them at whatever velocity you want depending on cartridge, and good B.C and SD's which will buck wind and give you a flat shooting round.
@blackops762 I dont know of any commercially available intermediate rounds that would fit in an AR-15 frame. Im sure you could go the custom route and maybe neck up 223 to 7mm, like 25-45 sharps, and get a barrel made. If you step up to an AR-10, you could get a barrel for 7mm08.
I am gonna stick with my 25-06 for now. I feel like a lot of people sleep on the 25-06. Flat shooting, less recoil,decent penetration, I just love everything about my 25-06. Not to mention that you can ethically take a wide range of game with it.
@TheDilweed these are all great rounds even moreso with the right load. The 270 is like the 7 rem mags little brother. It's much better on deer, the mag is a meat destroyer if you hit bone.
I’m 100% with the big guy. Amongst calibers you talked about, only 7 mag shines. But any of you ever heard about 270 win? Man, it’s phenomenal. Light and lethal.
@@exothermal.sprocket my region is a part of Iran full of big and small mountains. The plants are not dense most of the parts so I have to shoot 300-500 yards mostly big mountain goats and wild rams. We have Elks and some other kinds of Deers though hunting them is super prohibited. Cheers 🍻
loved this!! Agree on the 7mm! i have been shooting a 7mm Remington that my father bought new in 1962! Fantastic gun. I am waiting on a barrel from Preferred Barrels to arrive chambered in 7PRC so the bulid can start!!
The more I look for a ‘do-it-all’ that can shoot long range target, elk within 300, and low recoil for the wife 6.5PRC keeps standing out. Love the discussion guys.
Yup, that’ll do the job you have prescribed. Interestingly… so will 7mm-08 Remington. Loaded with 145gr Barnes LRX bullets to 2800+fps the 708 can deliver 2257fps/1640ftlb to 350m (383yd) in my local conditions 😳 And with a sectional density of 0.260 and 99.5% weight retention that bullet will penetrate deeply. With less recoil than the 6.5PRC. The 6.5PRC will give you a flatter trajectory with a longer max point blank range though… which is also nice! Cheers!
6 Creed with 108 eld m or 103 eldx will do all that and then some. Way less recoil makes everyone shoot far better especially in field positions. Hit probability skyrockets with low, low recoil and especially with a suppressor.
Up until eight years ago I was in a 1000 yard club, and the most popular cartridge was the .284 win, it has enough power to easily go the distance and is not a bad barrel burner. I used that in light gun competitions and the weatherby 300 for my heavy gun. In spite of the weatherby having a lot more powder, it did not go through barrels much quicker than the .284 win. I found the 7mm magnums very severe on barrels. I love the high BC projectiles with the 7mms, I have used the 7mm rem mag, but living in a warm climate, during summer, the barrel gets too hot. If I start shooting again I might try a 280 Ackley with the light gun and return to the 300 weatherby as the heavy or the 300 Norma which I have used. The beauty of a .30 mag is that it will handle the high BC bergers of the 215 grain variety. I was getting a similar barrel life with the 30 cal mags as I was getting out of the 7mm win and the 30 cal mags were far more durable than any 7mm mag that I have shot.
Always had a soft spot for the 30-06. Many years ago my gun club had an open house with all the ranges open. We had a running deer target at 100 yards the same rifle was used by everyone it was a 30-06. I was the first shooter and hit a 28 out of 30 possible points that stood for the day. I still have the trophy.
Agreed on all comments the boys made… none were wrong. None were right. Just good information. 👍 on the entire rco(rock chuck Olympics)! Awesome stuff !
223, 7mag and 308 are more accessible when it comes to purchasing the components to reload. Personally that needs to be factored in when picking a long range shooter. I think 500 yards in 308. 7 Mag for 100 to 1000. And I am talking about hunting big game. For plinking 223 is my go to.
Oh yeah, the 7's. I shoot a 26" Douglas barrel #5 contour 7stw blue printed rem700 action hs precision stock, factory trig tuned to 30 Oz pull. Love it.
Excellent to hear 100s of years of experience and perspective plus all the mutual respect of opinions. A case can be for 22lr as its use as a long range tool to practice or introducing this discipline is invaluable. The nos of high end bolts rigs in the same dollar category of even elite centerfire rigs shows alone it has merrit for a favorite in LR shooting.
The 340 Weatherby is also Great, essentially the 338 is my favorite caliber and living in Alaska half of time it’s been always the caliber for the North country
I was hoping for the same. I am shopping for a rifle and I keep coming back to the 6.5 PRC as my cartridge of choice... based largely on manufacturer specs though. This probably isn't the video for my use case. I want a cartridge to do many things. These guys all likely have a dozen rifles and get stuff for free.
Awesome group of shooters. Diverse. Just one note, 77 gr. 223 all day long at 600-yds. The 75 and 77 gr has been across course for high power 200 to 600-yds.
You guys are a blast to watch . And it's good to see you get together in all forms of shooting . Not just one type . Brings a lot of points together in one place . And have fun doing it .
I agree with WTW none of the guns you guys chose a cartridge that you can get at most random gun stores. I think that most people would rather no what your choice would be in something more common and something you can actually find in gun stores and find ammo for because we all don’t have time or the knowledge to reload. But the fact that everyone was for 7mm is interesting
Great video! Nice to see my favorite folks altogether! My choice 6 creed because readily available. For mags, 7mm Remington! Thanks for all the good food for thought!
I'm glad 7-08 got an honorable mention, realistically the best whitetail Cartridge in the USA, no matter what, in the thick woods or the plains of the west it packs a punch, has great BC compared to its big brother.308, and still very inexpensive if you're looking in the right place.
Man that was a cool surprise video 👏🏼 it was cool to see Pete in there, I learned so much from his videos when I got into rifle shooting and getting past that 400 yard mark. I do have to agree with Whoteewho! I love my 7Rem that thing is a delight to shoot out to range. Excellent on caribou moose and bear too 👌🏼 Excellent video👍🏼
7 rem mag, been shooting it for about 15 yrs, cant beat it, manageable recoil with the 139's and 140's, which is what i shoot, My rem CDL loves the Federal 140 Trophy Bonded!
Thank you Eric Cortina for the 284 Mention to me the best case ever built and is has been used for 50 years or more for wildcating... 6mm,6.5,7mm take your pick.....
How did I know that not a single one of them would choose the venerable 30-06 which all of the other cartridges are a derivative of. It's the grandfather of them all and it still works. Bonus you can find it everywhere and hunt damn near any game with it.
they weren't asked for their favorite hunting cartridge, or what factory ammo they can find. They were asked for their favorite long range shooting round and these guys are specialists, not average Joes.
@@mikemiller5226 It's all subjective and comes down to personal preference. My opening statement was "How did I know that not one them would choose the venerable 30-06." My stance is that it works and it's prolific. There's no perfect cartridge, only one perfect for you and I have a special set of skills myself. Keep your powder dry.
I shot silhouette using a special-order 26” Browning 7mm REM Mag, @ 6,000 ft altitude on the Izaak Walton gun club range, Colorado Springs, 1981 & 1982. Four of our team purchased the same Browning after shooting mine. Previously, they all shot .30 cal variants. We were ahead of the times with regards to higher BCs & wind immunity. Our team scores increased dramatically AND the 7mm REM Mags were NOT fussy with reloading. I hunted elk each year using the same rifle. This is how we arrive at prejudices we’re still carrying…
Good to see all you guys in the same video. Adam is a trip. I like the fact that he reviews and uses "regular" rifles easily available to the average shooter. My personal favorite out to 800 or so yards is the 7MM Remington Magnum. I'm sure my 3 would easily shoot a thousand but my home range is 800 yards so that's where my loads and dope are set up. PS.. I have recently acquired a 300 Winchester Magnum that has yet to be tested or even fired. I have high hope's for that build.
Best response was, "what is long range"? I agree that it depends MORE on the range someone is shooting. Is it 400 yards or 1000+. No point in shooting a hot 7mil PRC at only 300 yards if 300 yards is your absolute MAX. My theory is, there is no ONE best. Buy different rifles for different task.
I agree with the 7mm guys, as Hogdons H 1000 was made to accurately carry a well made 7mm bullet to 1000 yards and beyond. Les Bauman having made the 7mm rem mag from 280 (Ackley improved?) mated to a 284 Winchester case for up to 500 yard shots on elk.
if folks are using factory ammo or are reloading it is VERY important to check the lot numbers on the boxes, calibration in manufacturing can drift between re =cakibrations and can have a sometimes signicant impact on accuracy
Also, having been a .308 fan for some time, my new favorite for all hunting is my 7 mm PRC. But WTW has some skills and some good points with the 7 Mag. I have seen more than one elk brought down with the 7 RM. Good point that the 7 PRC shines the best at 1,000. Not many deer at that distance but I have seem some elk at that distance with a 7 RM.
I don’t shoot long range, but did reload for a guy that was heavy into it. His favorite was 30-378W and I had to load the rounds with very little variation on bullet & powder weight, down to the grain level. Every reload was trimmed to the exact length, even had a s/n on the cases so I could track the rounds. Was a lot of work, but never got tired of seeing him hit targets consistently over 1k yards.
That was a wide range of perspective and a fun conversation. I'm not a long range shooter I've never hunted beyond 300 yards and for me I like 7 mm too I'm trying to decide between building a 7mm O8 for the 280 Remington AI. I think the 7 mm '08 is probably more than enough for 99% of what I'm going to do but the 1% of me thinks what if I need just that little bit more and I want that 280 AI? Kind of going back and forth on that I know they're both great. Thank you 👍
So cool man! Me and my family have been evacuated because of wildfire. All of rock chuck content is very welcome, I kind of have nothing else to do and if all my stuff is going to burn... I'll rewatch this video for a shopping list.
63 yr old Savage 110L in 270. 4X Tasco scope. Never failed, from paririe dogs to moose........but mostly antelope. Jack O'Connor had it right.......the first time.
Great video guys. I prefer a Dasher in F-Class at 1000 yards. If you can't spot your shot, look around within about a half an inch from your last shot and you will find it. I can appreciate spotting splashes in some applications but I don't need it in F-Class and bench rest competition. I usually find my shots in the X-Ring but if I miss it, I will quickly spot the shot using an E-Target. I think of its precision at 1000 yards like I do the 6PPC at 100 yards. Hard to beat. I use a .300 Dakota for decking elk at that range but it is too much recoil for competition. Not sure what weight rifle you were using for your Dasher's 8 ft/lb recoil but in my 22 pound rifle, I shoot free recoil and almost have to listen for the report to know it went off and barrel heat is never a problem. The 7mms and .300s sure do a nice job too but I hate the recoil they produce by comparison (over 20 ft/lbs) and I literally hate having to buy a new barrel every 1200 rounds or so. Or, Installing a RAD-2 recoil reduction system in each stock is a bit of a pain too. I have great respect for Eric's 7 PRCW for precision but personally couldn't hold up for three days of its pounding in the nationals and know it will be a challenge for him to beat the Dasher, even in a tornado (especially if the guy shooting it understand wind). If I had sponsors that paid for goodies, I might just shoot that cartridge as well but I'd have someone else installing the RADs.
Nice to see al you guys together like this. I would choose the 300 PRC for that long shot ( 338 Lapua too but rounds are spendy) Been watching Who tee who for a long time.. I had no idea he was that tall!
Loved it when the last dude said 7mm mag. That's what I've been using for my hunting rifle since I was 16. Weatherby Vanguard Japanese beauty.
Who_Tee_Who has a good channel to check out. 7-08 that Erik mentioned is such a good pick also.
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I've got a Japanese made Vanguard in 7mag also, that I bought about thirty years ago. Rich walnut stock, slippery smooth action, and as accurate as a laser-guided missile.
My powerline deer rifle was a Remington 700 LSS 7m Mag. Shooting hand load 115 grain sighted 2" high @100 yds was only 3" low @ 300 yds could shoot 5/8" 3 round group @ 100 yds for some reason the gun would not group with factory ammo
Shot deer 650 Yards with my 7mm Drt
It’s so cool seeing most of my favourite gun RUclips channels having fun together. The only way this could be better is if Ron Spoomer was there. ❤
& Brandon Herrera , Texas plinking , Garand thumb 😂
Or Ron Swanson!
Ohh definitely some Swanson bacon!
Need Hickok45 to give some advice to these young fellers .
Love Ron. He uses factual information and charts.
. 270 Winchester does all I need it to do, doesn't have the fancy wildcat name, but 1000 yards target is toast!
270 is a beast
270 is a awesome rifle
I shoot a browning medallion 270 wsm topped with leupold vx5 hd. 3-15-56 firedot
270 started out as a 30 - 06, necked down to 270, as a wildcat! One very nice performing cartridge, for sure!
Cheers to this! Jack O’Conner would agree!!
While it might not be fancy or the flattest shooting cartridge out there the 308 will always have a place in my heart.
I think we all have a place in our heart's for 308! Affordable, tons of data etc... I love it but still loading 223 Wylde for now until I get my skills up to bigger powder levels.
I bought my wife a 270 bolt action and was surprised at how flat shooting and accurate it is.
270 is the first cartridge over 3000 feet per second
if it ain't broke don't fix it brother
308win will always be my favorite go-to round!
Lots of targets and animals dropped with it!
Such a fun discussion
It was! With you on the 7Rem, I shoot a savage long range hunter with a custom brake and it is such a great combo!
@@tomschumacher5434 awesome
One cartridge for everything really depends on location and critter. WTW and I being similar area could range from 6mm/243 to 300 W. M. I honestly can say a .243 Winchester and good 90 to 100 gr for whitetail to 58gr to 100 gr for varmints. With a fast twist barrel 80 to 115 gr on targets out to and beyond a 1000. If you brush hunt deer .270 to 45-70 according to whether an open field or powerline, pipeline cut is close. That could bring 6 to 800 yards or better. I like the 6.5 creedmoor with a good heavy for caliber bullet. Works good for varmint and target out to some long pokes. I've taken Whitetail at 425 give or take with a little. 243 Winchester and a good 100 gr bullet. I can buy from 58gr to 100gr factory ammo relatively easy. 30-06 and 308 are the same only 120gr to 200gr. I hunt varmint, whitetail and shoot target from 50 to 1000 at times 1200 yards regularly. 1500 some. That 6.5 creedmoor gets all that done. If I'm out and for some reason my handloads aren't available, it's on most gun oriented shelves. I'm banged up so lighter recoil is something I need. Doesn't hurt that you can spot your impacts for correction.
Enough gun for the job. A good bullet for the job. With enough practice in all weather, with confidence you can make the shot at that distance for a quick kill.
How tall are you? Are you 6 feet 5? Or are all the other guys like 5 foot 5?
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I bought my Ruger M77 in 7mm Rem Mag back in 1974. No regrets. It isn’t the latest and greatest, but I was slinging 7mm lead long before it was fashionable. 😁
I have the same rifle in 338 win mag. Absolutely fantastic.
Yes, I bought my Ruger M77 7mm Mag in 1995, with a regular ol' Burris Fullfield 3x9 on it. It's built like the proverbial brick
$#!thouse, and has never failed me. Love the rifle, love the cartridge
@@smokehouse4444 I have a 3x9 Leupold, but otherwise sounds like the same thing. Yes, great rifle in a great cartridge for most North American game.
7mm M77 here also. Antelope out to nearly 300 yds. Great round for decades. Got mine in late 80's. Sub MOA.
M77 action is nice too
I agree... 500 yards and under 7mm-08 is my favorite. Apparently ammo companies don't agree.
Piet is exactly right! What you classify as long range is dependent on the shooter! Some people think 500 yards is long range and others is 1500 yards. We are individual and we can only make that determination for ourselves.
I love how Cortina talks about the 7mm-08. It is such a sweetheart and I sure have a soft spot for it in my heart!
I recently had an extensive shoulder surgery and I’m only able to shoot, with my opposite shoulder, up to a .270 Winchester as for recoil impulse (thank you for you chart by the way, my doctor and I looked at it and he said that if I stay below 18 ft-lbs free recoil energy I will be safe to not loosen any anchors or the adhesive) for a full year after my shoulder surgery. So as a tribute to the 100 year anniversary of the creation for the .270 Winchester, that’s all I will be hunting with this fall and next spring bear season.
Thanks for the intriguing content!
I like my game close, don't need to be walking 500 yds
Pete did a competition with a 223 and did well. I like the 223 for longer ranges it’s fun, cheap & can do it all day without fatigue and spending a lot of $
Yep - 69 grain Sierra match king bullets work great to ~500 yards. When you get much further than that, it's kind of hard to hear the steel or see the holes.
2nd this. In mild wind my 77gr SMK handloads are plenty out to 600 EASILY
That was great, you guys should have your own channels lol. Bloody awesome for a quick chat that amount of experience, knowledge, community support and professionalism , priceless. Seriously this should be a regular thing. Thanks mate.
Impactshooting & ultimate reloader. The 2 on the right
Guy #1 from the left: Who_Tee_Who
I have to say I think your a genius putting all these pros in one room. I love your content!!!
MORE OF THIS! Nothing beats a conversation of experts! oh to be a fly on the wall for this whole series...the knowledge transferred I am sure was amazing. Thank you all for traveling and getting together for friendly competition.
7mm08 is my favorite for under 300. When I am hunting and I know my shot could be over that I will bring my 7 rem mag
7mm -08 will do just fine to 450 140gr ttsx ….. have several elk and deer right around that range
2 of my favorite Content Creators in 1 video! Backfire & WhoTeeWho. Great upload!
I like Adam and Jim both alot also
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Thank you, Nils; for your perspective. I shoot 600 yds with my 5.56/223 Ruger RPR and love it. I use 68, 69 75 & 77 grains for 600. 55 and 62 for 200-300. I can shoot way more for less money and have just as much fun if not more fun. I also shoot 22lr Ruger RPR at 200 yards and love it. I am lucky my local range has 50, 100, 200, 300 & 600-yard ranges.
Agreed on the 223 Rem.
If I was going to take a new shooter and had to make them quickly proficient out to 5-600y for a reasonable amount of money I'd probably pick a fast twist .223 with a ~80gn Berger/smk. Something to be said for a gun that is easy to shoot and does not provide any recoil fatigue.
Exactly 👍 Been shooting 600yd
F T/R with .223 except out of an AR platform for the past year. I think the AR is forcing me to work hard on basic marksmanship skills to stay competitive with the bolt gun guys. Now if I could only figure out the magic of wind reading. I will say I've probably spent more on this gun than I would have just buying an RPR or Bergara like I was originally going to, but, a couple people told me I couldn't be competitive with one, and I'm fairly stubborn.
Agreed !!! I own Ruger American Ranch chambered 5.56... cool rifle and its cheap to shoot up to 600 yards.
What a great buncha guys! Its great seeing yall together. You may not realize it, but you've become like family to all of us
Woah. How in the world did you get all these guys together??? Way too cool, loved the video!!!
The stars were aligned. The moon was in the 7th house and Jupiter aligned with Mars.
As somebody who's traveled a lot I guarantee it wasn't cheap Jim harmer of backfire. Probably spent ten thousand putting this all together with everybody's flights room food maybe even payment for showing up
@@John-jl4to this was organised by Ultimate Reloader :-)
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And everyone of them was at Shotshow 2023…
Look forward to more collabs like this, so cool to these great entertainers/educators doing videos together!
I feel so validated by this. I have been saying for YEARS that 7mm is the sweet spot for LR but because 30 cal has been king for so long even getting bullets at your local shop was sometimes tough.
My favorite is the 6.5cm. I know people hate it but it does do well up to 1k and it's affordable and available. My other favorite is the 300 prc and I agree on the 6 dasher. Awesome round.
I have shot with some top level guys and never met anyone who hates the 6.5 Creedmoor. When someone does crack a joke it's usually tongue in cheek.
@@longrange1114 you know most people i meet don't hate it either but it seems as RUclips hates it 😂. I like it better than the 308
@@longrange1114 have you shot the 280 ai? It's sweet. I'm also curious about this 277 fury from sig. Haven't had the opportunity to shoot with it yet tho
I shoot straight .284 in F-class and it’s super consistent and easy to tune w/ 180 grain bullets around 2800 fps.
I love my 270 for hunting but if I had to switch it would probably be the 7mm-08. They are both phenomenal on anything in Texas out to 400 yards. I like the 223 in hornady frontier 75g bthp they do well and the 6.5 grendal is becoming a favorite on hogs.
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I love how 6.5 cartridges travel.
Whether it's Grendel, Creed, Swede, or PRC, I have a knack for them.
My favorite do-all AR is chambered in Grendel.
The 6.5 or the 6mm Grendel?
6.5 Grendel is awesome
@@allanryan6014, 6.5 Grendel or 6 ARC or 6 Creed.
Who Tee Who is the only one that remotely had a reasonable answer for us hunters! Love that guy, down to earth. I wanted to hear an answer from Jim as well. But I guess the question wasn't just about long range hunting although that's what most of us are trying to figure out. I have a 7mm mag but struggle to get it to consistently shoot MOA and am considering one of the more accurate modern PRC / creedmoor cartridges that are easier to shoot accurately.
Interesting viewpoint on 7 mm. I’ve been shooting a 280 Ackley Improved since the early 90s and have had but stellar results from it. It’s accurate and from my rifle’s 24 inch barrel, it gets the same velocities as were posted here for the 7 mm mag. It uses less powder, though, and recoil is not bad at all, even from a light hunting gun.
280 AI is the best of the 7mm's overall.
Piet raised a very important point on the term "what is long range shooting?". He is 100% correct in his view of being calibre specific. We all can grab a .30-06 and shoot at target at 100 yards and hit it 5/5, but not any person will hit that same target with a .22LR more than 3/5. The point Piet makes is that your core principles of shooting "long range" will apply equally with a .22LR at 100 yards as it would at 1000 yards with a 7 PRC. The elements will be exactly the same, e.g. wind drift, bullet drop, kinetic energy down range, ect.
I will add to his point by saying it also applies to purpose specific as well, because what is considered long range on the shooting range is not equal to what is in a hunting scenario, which Adam rightfully pointed out as well. Shooting at paper and steel at a 1000 yards is one thing, but taking a shot at an animal at that same distance is not ethical by any means nor should it be advocated for. Dr. Kevin Robertson, a best selling author, registered PH in Zimbabwe for more than 30 years and a specialist in buffalo hunting summed it up beautifully. Anything beyond 320 yards is not hunting, that's killing at distance. It's about using your abilities against the animal in his/ her own environment to get as close as possible to take the animal as ethically as possible. Thigs like reliable bullet expansion, bullet penetration, bullet momentum / speed and kinetic energy comes into play here.
So well done to Piet and Adam for raising these points. Currie Cup stuff, boy'tjie!! 🏆
Hard to go wrong with a 7mm. You can get match or hunting bullets anywhere from 120-197gr, push them at whatever velocity you want depending on cartridge, and good B.C and SD's which will buck wind and give you a flat shooting round.
My uncles been preaching this for years he prefers 7mm-08
@blackops762 I dont know of any commercially available intermediate rounds that would fit in an AR-15 frame. Im sure you could go the custom route and maybe neck up 223 to 7mm, like 25-45 sharps, and get a barrel made. If you step up to an AR-10, you could get a barrel for 7mm08.
I am gonna stick with my 25-06 for now. I feel like a lot of people sleep on the 25-06. Flat shooting, less recoil,decent penetration, I just love everything about my 25-06. Not to mention that you can ethically take a wide range of game with it.
Rockchucks to elk, it's a great round.
@TheDilweed these are all great rounds even moreso with the right load. The 270 is like the 7 rem mags little brother. It's much better on deer, the mag is a meat destroyer if you hit bone.
257 wby and 25-06 will always be my favorite
25-06 is a sweet round!
7-08 and 7 Rem Mag hardcore fan / shooter here !!! Gotta say like my 6.5-284 as well .
Love my 7mm rum and .300 rum both amazing cartridges
Piet knows his LR stuff. Excellent point about the larger calibre and bullet strike
I’m 100% with the big guy. Amongst calibers you talked about, only 7 mag shines. But any of you ever heard about 270 win? Man, it’s phenomenal. Light and lethal.
The late hotness is low-drag projectiles. The 270 twist rate got it limited. Hence the 6.8 Western, but that's remained pretty obscure thus far.
@@exothermal.sprocket my region is a part of Iran full of big and small mountains. The plants are not dense most of the parts so I have to shoot 300-500 yards mostly big mountain goats and wild rams. We have Elks and some other kinds of Deers though hunting them is super prohibited. Cheers 🍻
@@DaryooshF.Sh.P-vq6mu Sounds like similar conditions to the Rocky Mountains, I understand what that's like.
Definitely lethal and easy to pack around.
loved this!! Agree on the 7mm! i have been shooting a 7mm Remington that my father bought new in 1962! Fantastic gun. I am waiting on a barrel from Preferred Barrels to arrive chambered in 7PRC so the bulid can start!!
"ching chang wiz bangs" thats hilarious! This was so much fun! thanks a mill Gavin for putting this together!
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The more I look for a ‘do-it-all’ that can shoot long range target, elk within 300, and low recoil for the wife 6.5PRC keeps standing out. Love the discussion guys.
Yup, that’ll do the job you have prescribed.
Interestingly… so will 7mm-08 Remington.
Loaded with 145gr Barnes LRX bullets to 2800+fps the 708 can deliver 2257fps/1640ftlb to 350m (383yd) in my local conditions 😳
And with a sectional density of 0.260 and 99.5% weight retention that bullet will penetrate deeply.
With less recoil than the 6.5PRC. The 6.5PRC will give you a flatter trajectory with a longer max point blank range though… which is also nice!
Cheers!
6 Creed with 108 eld m or 103 eldx will do all that and then some. Way less recoil makes everyone shoot far better especially in field positions. Hit probability skyrockets with low, low recoil and especially with a suppressor.
@@montuckyman4982 6 Creed a little light for big Roosevelts even at 300 to me.
Take a look at the Springfield Saint Victor 308.,. It weighs just under 8 lbs and the trigger is a beauty
The Sig Sawyer cross is a nice one as well it's bolt-action and it comes in 308 277 fury or 6.5 with interchangeable barrels
Up until eight years ago I was in a 1000 yard club, and the most popular cartridge was the .284 win, it has enough power to easily go the distance and is not a bad barrel burner. I used that in light gun competitions and the weatherby 300 for my heavy gun. In spite of the weatherby having a lot more powder, it did not go through barrels much quicker than the .284 win. I found the 7mm magnums very severe on barrels. I love the high BC projectiles with the 7mms, I have used the 7mm rem mag, but living in a warm climate, during summer, the barrel gets too hot. If I start shooting again I might try a 280 Ackley with the light gun and return to the 300 weatherby as the heavy or the 300 Norma which I have used. The beauty of a .30 mag is that it will handle the high BC bergers of the 215 grain variety. I was getting a similar barrel life with the 30 cal mags as I was getting out of the 7mm win and the 30 cal mags were far more durable than any 7mm mag that I have shot.
Cool vid. I'm surprised no one mentioned the 6 MM ARC. I know the .30-06 isn't mentioned with the best cartridges but it's my fav.
Always had a soft spot for the 30-06. Many years ago my gun club had an open house with all the ranges open. We had a running deer target at 100 yards the same rifle was used by everyone it was a 30-06. I was the first shooter and hit a 28 out of 30 possible points that stood for the day. I still have the trophy.
I'm with WTW, no fancy wis-bangs. 7mm Mag is awesome, but I'm also with the other guy that said 223. Cheap and available EVERYWHERE! 👍
Agreed on all comments the boys made… none were wrong. None were right. Just good information. 👍 on the entire rco(rock chuck Olympics)! Awesome stuff !
Recommend watching Impact Shooting with Pieter. Top of the line and class act.
300 wsm is my fav for long range. Extremely accurate, easy to load for, can see your misses, good barrel life etc.
223, 7mag and 308 are more accessible when it comes to purchasing the components to reload. Personally that needs to be factored in when picking a long range shooter. I think 500 yards in 308. 7 Mag for 100 to 1000. And I am talking about hunting big game. For plinking 223 is my go to.
Gavin saying "LEKKER" at the end! 🤣 Fantastic!!!
Oh yeah, the 7's. I shoot a 26" Douglas barrel #5 contour 7stw blue printed rem700 action hs precision stock, factory trig tuned to 30 Oz pull. Love it.
Excellent to hear 100s of years of experience and perspective plus all the mutual respect of opinions.
A case can be for 22lr as its use as a long range tool to practice or introducing this discipline is invaluable. The nos of high end bolts rigs in the same dollar category of even elite centerfire rigs shows alone it has merrit for a favorite in LR shooting.
The 340 Weatherby is also Great, essentially the 338 is my favorite caliber and living in Alaska half of time it’s been always the caliber for the North country
Here, here! Love this segment! I did wish someone had praised the 6.5 PRC…😊
I was hoping for the same. I am shopping for a rifle and I keep coming back to the 6.5 PRC as my cartridge of choice... based largely on manufacturer specs though.
This probably isn't the video for my use case. I want a cartridge to do many things. These guys all likely have a dozen rifles and get stuff for free.
Man it's so cool to see all you guys in one video
Awesome vid. Great to see the "community" gather up and agree that long range is diff per person/intent. Thank you.
It’s great to see all you guys together . I learn from all of you .
WHOO TEE WHOO!!! That’s the man right there!!
Nothing like watching all the guys of my fav channels talking about rifles and hunting while i enjoy a cigar.
who tee who is spot on. he thinks about the average person and hunter. good show
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Great to see Peiter doing videos with this channel.
Awesome group of shooters. Diverse. Just one note, 77 gr. 223 all day long at 600-yds. The 75 and 77 gr has been across course for high power 200 to 600-yds.
You guys are a blast to watch . And it's good to see you get together in all forms of shooting . Not just one type . Brings a lot of points together in one place . And have fun doing it .
I’ve had my Remington 700 in 7 mm rem mag for 50 years , I hunt elk
And it’s like wearing the most comfortable boots you have ever had
I agree with WTW none of the guns you guys chose a cartridge that you can get at most random gun stores. I think that most people would rather no what your choice would be in something more common and something you can actually find in gun stores and find ammo for because we all don’t have time or the knowledge to reload. But the fact that everyone was for 7mm is interesting
The highest bc with velocity to go with it out of any standard rifle.
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I had a smile on my face the whole video watching theese guys talk about cartridges.
Great video! Nice to see my favorite folks altogether! My choice 6 creed because readily available. For mags, 7mm Remington! Thanks for all the good food for thought!
Really cool seeing yall together.... its a reminder that community is important. I am sub'd to most of these guys
7mm .284 is definitely my favorite diameter bullets and I have really been going back and forth between a 280ai or a 7 Rem mag for my next rifle.
This video contains some very good information all in the same place… Great job Jim!
I'm glad 7-08 got an honorable mention, realistically the best whitetail Cartridge in the USA, no matter what, in the thick woods or the plains of the west it packs a punch, has great BC compared to its big brother.308, and still very inexpensive if you're looking in the right place.
As did 280 AI!
I’m a fan of 7mm-08
That's an awesome group of guys right there!
Man that was a cool surprise video 👏🏼 it was cool to see Pete in there, I learned so much from his videos when I got into rifle shooting and getting past that 400 yard mark. I do have to agree with Whoteewho! I love my 7Rem that thing is a delight to shoot out to range. Excellent on caribou moose and bear too 👌🏼 Excellent video👍🏼
appreciate that so much!
@@IMPACTSHOOTING keep making awesome content 🤌🏼
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7 rem mag, been shooting it for about 15 yrs, cant beat it, manageable recoil with the 139's and 140's, which is what i shoot, My rem CDL loves the Federal 140 Trophy Bonded!
7mm mag just is hard to argue with. It just works
Thanks for putting a great group of guys together and getting a different perspective from a bunch of pros.
7mm, the projectile that the almighty laid his hand upon and proclaimed "It is good"😁
Great clip! Love seeing the different views, it gives us so much more to Evaluate as what is the best. Thank you❤
Thank you Eric Cortina for the 284 Mention to me the best case ever built and is has been used for 50 years or more for wildcating... 6mm,6.5,7mm take your pick.....
100% agree why reinvent the wheel....
OMG!!! Who Tee Who!!! Best channel ever!! He didn’t say 7 REM Mag has “…a lot of Boogie!” 😂
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You guys all together was awsome.. enjoy all these videos
How did I know that not a single one of them would choose the venerable 30-06 which all of the other cartridges are a derivative of. It's the grandfather of them all and it still works. Bonus you can find it everywhere and hunt damn near any game with it.
they weren't asked for their favorite hunting cartridge, or what factory ammo they can find. They were asked for their favorite long range shooting round and these guys are specialists, not average Joes.
@@mikemiller5226 It's all subjective and comes down to personal preference. My opening statement was "How did I know that not one them would choose the venerable 30-06." My stance is that it works and it's prolific. There's no perfect cartridge, only one perfect for you and I have a special set of skills myself. Keep your powder dry.
The reflection in the tv is crazy. The setups look incredible. Nice work on this one.
Excellent perspectives. Keep making these videos!
I shot silhouette using a special-order 26” Browning 7mm REM Mag, @ 6,000 ft altitude on the Izaak Walton gun club range, Colorado Springs, 1981 & 1982. Four of our team purchased the same Browning after shooting mine. Previously, they all shot .30 cal variants. We were ahead of the times with regards to higher BCs & wind immunity. Our team scores increased dramatically AND the 7mm REM Mags were NOT fussy with reloading. I hunted elk each year using the same rifle. This is how we arrive at prejudices we’re still carrying…
Is this for pride month?
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Sausage fest gun talk! Gun pride!
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Lot of dude sweat
Good one!
Good to see all you guys in the same video. Adam is a trip. I like the fact that he reviews and uses "regular" rifles easily available to the average shooter. My personal favorite out to 800 or so yards is the 7MM Remington Magnum. I'm sure my 3 would easily shoot a thousand but my home range is 800 yards so that's where my loads and dope are set up. PS.. I have recently acquired a 300 Winchester Magnum that has yet to be tested or even fired. I have high hope's for that build.
Amazing group of experienced shooters but with range finders and computers surprisingly no mention of 6.5x284 or maybe I’m telling my age. Great show
Best response was, "what is long range"? I agree that it depends MORE on the range someone is shooting. Is it 400 yards or 1000+. No point in shooting a hot 7mil PRC at only 300 yards if 300 yards is your absolute MAX. My theory is, there is no ONE best. Buy different rifles for different task.
I agree with the 7mm guys, as Hogdons H 1000 was made to accurately carry a well made 7mm bullet to 1000 yards and beyond. Les Bauman having made the 7mm rem mag from 280 (Ackley improved?) mated to a 284 Winchester case for up to 500 yard shots on elk.
Shout out to the 7mm08 for the best hunting caliber out to ethical hunting distances.
I'm loving these meet up videos!
if folks are using factory ammo or are reloading it is VERY important to check the lot numbers on the boxes, calibration in manufacturing can drift between re =cakibrations and can have a sometimes signicant impact on accuracy
Also, having been a .308 fan for some time, my new favorite for all hunting is my 7 mm PRC.
But WTW has some skills and some good points with the 7 Mag. I have seen more than one elk brought down with the 7 RM. Good point that the 7 PRC shines the best at 1,000. Not many deer at that distance but I have seem some elk at that distance with a 7 RM.
Nice , look foward to other videos from the collaboration competition!
I don’t shoot long range, but did reload for a guy that was heavy into it. His favorite was 30-378W and I had to load the rounds with very little variation on bullet & powder weight, down to the grain level. Every reload was trimmed to the exact length, even had a s/n on the cases so I could track the rounds. Was a lot of work, but never got tired of seeing him hit targets consistently over 1k yards.
IMO the 30-378 is king of the .30 cal’s ! Hunted with one for years and shot countless deer at long range.
Good to see Piet representing South Africa🇿🇦
That was a wide range of perspective and a fun conversation. I'm not a long range shooter I've never hunted beyond 300 yards and for me I like 7 mm too I'm trying to decide between building a 7mm O8 for the 280 Remington AI. I think the 7 mm '08 is probably more than enough for 99% of what I'm going to do but the 1% of me thinks what if I need just that little bit more and I want that 280 AI? Kind of going back and forth on that I know they're both great. Thank you 👍
First time catching this group of guys together look forward to more
Great show 👍👍👍👍
Thank you WTW for naming something that normal people have or have access to.
So cool man! Me and my family have been evacuated because of wildfire. All of rock chuck content is very welcome, I kind of have nothing else to do and if all my stuff is going to burn... I'll rewatch this video for a shopping list.
63 yr old Savage 110L in 270. 4X Tasco scope.
Never failed, from paririe dogs to moose........but mostly antelope.
Jack O'Connor had it right.......the first time.
270 browning. I think I don’t need more. Is good for everything
Great video guys. I prefer a Dasher in F-Class at 1000 yards. If you can't spot your shot, look around within about a half an inch from your last shot and you will find it. I can appreciate spotting splashes in some applications but I don't need it in F-Class and bench rest competition. I usually find my shots in the X-Ring but if I miss it, I will quickly spot the shot using an E-Target. I think of its precision at 1000 yards like I do the 6PPC at 100 yards. Hard to beat. I use a .300 Dakota for decking elk at that range but it is too much recoil for competition.
Not sure what weight rifle you were using for your Dasher's 8 ft/lb recoil but in my 22 pound rifle, I shoot free recoil and almost have to listen for the report to know it went off and barrel heat is never a problem. The 7mms and .300s sure do a nice job too but I hate the recoil they produce by comparison (over 20 ft/lbs) and I literally hate having to buy a new barrel every 1200 rounds or so. Or, Installing a RAD-2 recoil reduction system in each stock is a bit of a pain too. I have great respect for Eric's 7 PRCW for precision but personally couldn't hold up for three days of its pounding in the nationals and know it will be a challenge for him to beat the Dasher, even in a tornado (especially if the guy shooting it understand wind). If I had sponsors that paid for goodies, I might just shoot that cartridge as well but I'd have someone else installing the RADs.
Because of my budget and being cheap I agree with WTW. The Remington 7mm Rem Mag is my long distance gun next is my Thompson 6.5 Creedmoor.
Nice to see al you guys together like this. I would choose the 300 PRC for that long shot ( 338 Lapua too but rounds are spendy) Been watching Who tee who for a long time.. I had no idea he was that tall!