+drewditty You forget that the t-bone steak was sitting on the back of a lifted ram 3500 diesel, with a pair of truck nuts and a cross hanging from it.
So let me get this straight. GTR is more comfortable, more stable and balanced, faster 0 - 60, faster quarter mile, faster lap time even though it is less powerful, heavier and apparently doesnt brake better than the Z06. Well, call me crazy but the GTR is really something out of the ordinary.
Looks like you didn't watch the whole video. The Z06 brakes better, grips better, has higher skidpad numbers, much faster figure 8 test and in the real world on a drag strip runs 10.8s @ 127 which is faster than any stock GT-R. And then there's the price, which is $50k less than the Nismo GT-R, and that is INCLUDING the Z07 package and all the optional aero, and the highest trim level.
Apparently I did. GTR grips better where as the ZO6 is tail happy. He even drove with one hand, what does that tell you. I mentioned Z06 brakes better and real world ? You mean taking it to the track and the GTR comes first, taking it to the streets and it beats the Z06. The drag strip is where we ll find out what the driver is made of. Still, the GTR beats the Z06.
scyther6666 The GTR grips better where, exactly? Not on the skidpad or in the figure 8, that was already established and you should already know that if you had actually watched the video. And real world means some average guy with a Z06 brings it to the drag strip and runs a 10.8 @ 127. Not a pro driver or even an auto journalist. And again, no stock GT-R is that fast.
Vernon Price Lol. Are you honestly going to argue with me over whether an AWD has more grip than a RWD? GTR was faster in the lap time because you could push it further in the corners and it was faster in the straights. 9:09 he said its very stable (meaning it sticks to the road, again meaning it grips the road better). 11:07 He said dont try that in the vett. I wonder why. Perhaps because he felt more confident driving the GTR as he knew where the car was going. Faster figure 8 didnt give it the edge you so desired. And where are you getting the 10.8 figure?. Its 11.4 @ 124.4 in this video for the ZO6.
scyther6666 Are you honestly going to argue with the instrumented testing done by Motor Trend? Watch the video again if you're confused. Pay attention to the skidpad and figure 8 numbers. The 10.8 figure is from actual timeslips from regular people on the drag strip.
I don't even understand why people argue over which is better LMAO. Both are insane and I would own either in a heartbeat if I could. Screw arguments, start arguing when you can actually afford one.
Dan Chang There's no argument. They are merely poor people who try to justify the inferior build, quality and shitty handling, ugly american crap. Some are sore losers who can't accept the fact that Japanese engineering is superior. The sound of their people is winey, annoying and pathetic.
***** I'm all for Japanese cars, heck I daily drive a 2012 G37. But like.... those are all a matter of opinion LOL and everyone is entitled to their opinion. "American cars are all crap" is your opinion, and that's fine. But there is no form of a "wrong" opinion, as they are not fact. A "good" car can be defined in many ways. I personally think the new Corvettes are pretty nice (greatly updated interiors, handling is actually very good, and not to mention cheap to buy for a car that can keep up with AMG cars with ease) Just because one person (me, or you) likes Japanese cars for their reliability and feel, does not make anyone else wrong for their preferences. And that type of thinking is exactly why wars get started over religion and personal differences like that. tolerance is key
Dan Chang Get the fancy comaro for cheap hp, but power isn't everything. The handling is very poor, even when driving in a straight line cause it's poorly engineered and unrefined with too much power to handle. That is the difference. You have to be a highly skilled professional to drive that shit fast or kiss your butt goodbye. Don't be fooled by bias american journalists, whom seem to always over look the poor quality of american cars and their poor quality interiors. American cars are the crappiest, cheapest and most poorly built cars you can get. You get what you pay for, that is a fact.
yeah but the WRX is like 28k, not my choice of car but that thing handles like a beast and keeps up with Audi S4's easily. Awd, one of the best 5 speeds on the market, as fast to 60 as legitimate sports cars, and CHEAP. I've raced several in my G37 and were neck to neck the entire time. So it's not always about the money either. I personally don't like camaros but the mustangs are pretty good sports cars for the money. 35k gets you a 5.0 with independent suspension, a nice manual, decent interior, and a whole lot of fun. I don't put that much bias on where the car comes from as much as how the car actually drives.
This video was launched in February 2015 and the Z06's lap at Laguna Seca in Best Drivers Car was launched in September, and that was when they discovered the overheating issue with the Z06. I assume the reason why this was so slow, is because of overheating, that alongside the wheel out of alignment could explain that big gap with the GT-R
Kris Perez The GTR is extremely fast on Big Willow, the 8 Spd likely wouldn't have made that much of a difference. However the Z06 is already faster around VIR and will probably be quicker at Laguna Seca as well. It really depends what track you're on with these cars as they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
I don't think it has anything to do with it's transmission. The c6 Z06(in some cases) as well as the the Zr1 have had no problems beating the GTR on a track in the past (yes, I know it wasn't a Nismo) with a manual, so the transmission isn't the culprit. It's gotta be the ECU and heat soak problem it's been having combined with the heap of downforce it's aero package creates that hinders its acceleration. Because to go around the figure 8 in 22.3 sec compared to the Nismo's 23.1 and be slower by 1.5 secs around a track, it doesn't add up. Wouldn't you agree?
john martin fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html Now the 2015 Z06 shows to be superior on this track time. :O Chevy is late to the game of track time cars. They were mainly focused on cheap muscle cars for decades. It's only the last 10 years did they start to take it seriously. They've improved quite a bit. I'd not buy the Corvette if forced to spend $100k on a sportscar, but still respect it for its performance for that price.
+Jaafar Farhan Where's the shitvette ring time. GM wont release the time because it wasn't faster than the NISMO. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The shitvette is an overheating pos GM JUNKER. NISMO still faster than shitvette. GM can't prove they are faster. GM too embarrassed to release the time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And stop crying about the N-ATTACK. It's an official recorded time. Nothing you say will change that hater. Too bad, you mad, soooooooo sad.
Incertus Veritas Actually it comes down to the fact that the Z06's rear alignment was off. After they fixed it they took the Z06 out again and it beat the GT-R's time. Of course.
Arun Chinna Meyyappan You're not very good at reading, are you? I'll quote what I said again, just for you. This time read it. "Actually it comes down to the fact that the Z06's rear alignment was off. After they fixed it they took the Z06 out again and it beat the GT-R's time. Of course." Read much?
Arun Chinna Meyyappan The video was made way before things squared out. Motortrend admitted that the Z06 ran the lap with a misaligned rear axle. They reran it with the proper alignment as suggested in the user's manual and the Z06 handily beat the GT-R.
The Z06 looks and sounds way better than the GTR IMO! Being a Brit, I'm not usually a fan of either US or Japanese cars styling wise. But you Americans are starting to put the wind up the Europeans with cars as good as this Camaro and the Mental Mustang GT350! Fantastic!
like European car? corvette 2015 came with factory issue, motortrend explain that "the best driver car 2015". driving z06 you could lose the control easily, suspention are not good. what are you talking about? European and Japanese cars are more durable and not easily damaged as American.
I may get bashed for this (and probably will anyway, because Internet...), but ANY comparison to the Porsche 918, in any category, is a win in my book. That alone puts it in a category reserved for cars way above its price point. GM did a great job on this car, and anyone who inks otherwise is biased from the beginning and their opinion is tainted to begin with. Name a car that does what this car does (without aftermarket modification) for the same price. there's maybe a handful, if that.
+Joseph Hudson As good as the GTR? No. BUT it is an extremely nice car and the price point makes it even better. The Vette is wonderful just not up to par with a GTR
+iMRCuddles you sound ridiculous you dont know much about cars the 2015 Z06 beat the Nismo at V.I.R by 8seconds 2.41.3 vs Nismo 2.49.4 the 2015 Z06 beat the 918 by 1.32 seconds overall lets remember at Laguna Seca the Nismo was 15th far behind the 2012 Zr1 and Z06 , the Viper GTS and so many
Fast Furious I disagree. It's a really unfair match up. The base model GT-R is 101k which would have been a way better choice to compare against a 105k corvette. The base model GT-R would have been way more under powered and would not have beat the corvette. But that's just my opinion if we're talking about performance.
+Wildly Coyote it's been said a lot, but there was an issue with the corvette, and after alignment it beat the nismo by a few tenths of a second. so it's cheaper AND faster. and sexier. and sounds better. and isn't covered on as much fanboy drool.
I'm a Vette man, and I give the head to head victory to tge GTR. People need to stop being fanboys. BUT, the margin is so narrow, it comes down to preference. I'll also say this, the Z06's gears are taller, so a simple gear change would leave the GTR in the dust, but even then, you'd have to be a really great driver and not make ANY mistakes, as the GTR can be driven by grandma and beat the Z06 with a novice behind the wheel. You cannot say which is truly better. It all comes down to preference. Give me 1/4 million $ to spend on a car, and I'd have one of each. These are BOTH winners. If you REALKT wanna be anal, and include orice, of course the Z06 wins, as a change in gear ratio would be marginal at best, so you really can't judge it by speed, but in an average race, my $ is on the GTR. In a modified race with experienced drivers, I'll take the Z06. My prefetence? I'd take the Z28 with hp and torque upgrades over both, then you'd have both cars fused into 1, and there'd be no need to have both. Give me $100 grand, Z28 ftw. Spank em both.
plexoer I agree with you, but if price usn't a factor, or if you just judge it car vs car, my money in a bet goes to the GTR. I'd buy a Z28, pump 1000 horses out of it, and slaughter them both and have change left over to put on a gas card. No replacement for displacement.
jnrandall I understand that and I'm not debating that. What I'm saying is, the Z28 has more potential, and with a few thousand dollars added, and/or a couple minor adjustments, the Z28 would walk away from the Vette, and there's nothing that could be done to change that outcome. There's no replacement for displacement. The Z28 having a much larger displacement leaves more room to play with. If the Z28 motor can handle twin turbos or a supercharger, no contest. Period. Hell, all you'd have to do is change the gearing to be honest! And your kids can film it from the back seat.
from the beginning of this video i knew theres something wrong with the vette's spoiler, the angle of attack doesn't look bout right, but I'd still take the corvette any day.
+Randy Tyler don't you wish haha. No need to lie here,there's a reason the corvette which is better than the Camaro(although I honestly like the Camaro more and it was my first dream car,then I saw the GTR and now the GTR is my dream car) was chosen to face the GTR. After the corvette lost,do you really think anyone would believe your base model Camaro could beat a GTR?
I STILL TAKE THE GTR, Better to performance, more representative, the Name GTR sound glorious. The best track car on the world. 0-60 2.9 sec ufff adrenaline pure.
yocaha1 its the best track car only on your xbox, and what the fuck a "more representative" car is ? we've just conquered that corvette got better time what are you still arguing about ?
Well, the GT-R is a beast coming out off the corners with that AWD for sure. Guess the Z06's later braking advantage wasn't enough to make up the difference. Plus, the GT-R has that slick dual clutch that clicks off lightning fast shifts. Was really hoping they would test a Z06 with the 8-speed auto as it is supposed to be quicker around a track than the manual. Might have been closer. Still, I would take the Z06 over the GT-R. If you want comfort and a car that almost drives itself around the track, then GT-R. If you want excitement and a car that challenges you to become better driver, then Z06, IMO.
The auto Z06 is not faster than the manual. Why do you think GM keeps sending the manual car to the track events? The auto shifts faster, but robs more power and heats up faster.
Callsign Vega Well, I did say "supposed to be quicker". The media has been saying the auto is the quicker way around a track. It could be that short supply of the automatic version is the reason why you see manuals being supplied to testers. Heard at least one reviewer say they wished they could have got an auto for testing. I do know that in a timed event, such as quarter mile or track, you lose time due to manually shifting gears. You can easily lose more than half a second just in a quarter mile and that adds up on a long track.
Yeah & the one Japanese car here is faster. You can throw out as many names as you want...this is about a Nissan & a Corvette & the Nissan won. So you can go fuck yourself with your imaginary comparisons cause nobody cares about those. The Nissan won...get over it.
Really the Z06 seems like a children's car I can see a smiley face there, with a big mouth, a nose and 2 eyes the leds on the lights even make it worst. It looks like the movie "Cars" especially the red protagonist. GTR looks more professional, slim, serious, powerful and it's harder to see a face.
Woo Cheol Shin - I object! If you don't "understand" (which really means AGREE), you're probably not British or brainwashed by Top Gear. I think it's ridiculous that Aston Martin and Jaguar should be synonymous with pretty and classy. IMO, the new XE looks terrible. Aston Martin is always described by the Brits as "old school" but really it's just old.
James Filosa LOL, yes it does. It's not just the Britons who like Aston and Jag designs. It's pretty unanimous world-wide, spare the children and heavily biased car enthusiasts.
Woo Cheol Shin - If it's unanimous worldwide, why aren't Aston and Jag selling more cars? It's because the world prefers Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini for that kind of money.
ProductofNZ Do you know how a normal commuter car drives? You more guide that car than actually drive it. Just use the steering and pedals to tell it where to go and it does the rest for you. Yeah, the GTR feels exactly like that, just with massive numbers. It's almost a disgrace to cars and driving how it gets those numbers by relegating the driver to that fleshy bit that tells the car where the track is. Dumb and Dumber could drive this car around a track. Yeah, that holds zero appeal to me. Then again, I'm not some twit that focuses only on numbers out of the brochure.
Samniss Arandeen Don't know about that. I own one and it's the best daily driver I owned. I owned a C5 and C6 Z06 before this car as well and also owned a Supra. The thing I think is awesome is how people who never owned the car talk shit about the experience and don't even know how it is to drive the car every day. Well I can tell you it's awesome.
TheHitman™ It's probably so good at being a daily driver because its performance driving is just like driving a commuter car, only faster. I nailed one at Tail of the Dragon and never cracked a goddamn smile, because the car numbed the experience down so much it felt like driving to work. Mind you, this is with all the drivers' aids turned *off*.
Yes man I really wish they would stop putting manuals against automatics. They did they same thing with the ZL1 Camaro when it went up against the Hellcat. I really don't get it.
wade18 What you said makes sense however if that really is the case then they should wait until they can match them both up so the both cars can have a fighting chance. Honestly I had already predicted that the GTR would win and I was right. They can't continue to have old school technology going up against new-age technology.
@@Tubes12AX7k Yes, but even on the outside, I don't hear the whine. Chevy has masked it. It doesn't even always have the whine in your video. Just some times.
+Parnveer Bining The Corvette in this video is a C7 Z06, which is available with either a 7-speed manual or 8-speed auto. There is no C7 ZR1. The ZR1 was the top dog of the last generation (C6) Corvette line which ended production with the 2013 model year.
You know that paddle shifting it's not manual, and second there's no way muscle cars have paddle shifters. And besides the gtr it's a 6 speed semi automatic car, in other words, it's like half automatic and half manual. All you do in a gtr it's press the gas pedal and paddle shift next gear up, but you don't have the clutch pedal which in this case makes the gtr boring. But don't get all butt hurt, just because I prefer and choose the corvette over the gtr. You must understand that manual cars are fun to drive and there's no way an automatic or semi automatic car will replace the gift.
+Gilberto Rios The GTR is too boring to drive basically! The comp drives the whole car for you! Manuals are very much more fun to drive on the track. Automatics however tho are better in a drag race, especially with how advanced they are nowadays! No dis to the manual, manual is better for track, auto is better for drag.
If you had the Corvette in automatic transmission, it would have been much faster through the 0-60 test and quarter mile test. Unfair advantage to the GT-R.
Motor Trend Channel too bad yall cant actually bring the auto corvette and pick the right aero package for the right track. motor trend you disappoint me everytime i get my hopes up. just when i think a fair comparison is here you lobsided it for the gtr. the gtr does 11.0 and the z06 does 11.4? Okay you really think i am going to believe that garbage? if you tested the auto i guarantee you its going to be 10.9 - 11.1 not 11.4 thats a time for a much slower car. z06 has 650hp more torque, lighter weight,stickier tires,better brakes, with the auto i expect a tie or close to it. i respect the gtr and its time 100 pct. what i dont respect is bringing a half ass car to a comparison that has so much heated arguements in it. the GTR fanboys are retarded as ever and corvette fans have no right answers. all we have are questions even motor trend testers expect the vette to win on the track. so how many things were broken on that car in the video? where is the auto 8 speed? did motor trend use a pre-production car for press? plus the ecu that whole thing is too much un-reliable stuff for 1 video. vette is better hands down. noone cares about this video but GTR fanboys.
thisguy177 Dude you know very little about cars.. Yes on paper the Vet appears like the clear winner, but paper specs don't always bare full fruit when the wheels hit the road. I'm sure the vet could be tuned to get more performance out of it on that particular track, but the goal of this video was to bring 2 factory tuned cars and see what they can do.. I don't see any problems with how they tested these cars.
Uncle Deez Everyone who comments here is BIASED to some degree. Some people display more objectivity than others, however, and thisguy177 is just having problems reconciling bullshit. The comparison was botched....period! We all know that even tenths of a second are a lifetime in racing, yet a manually shifted car is pitted against an advanced shifting automatic! and then considered a contest on even footing, when the makers of the manually shifted one ALSO make what may be an even quicker shifting auto? His frustration is very well understood by me. I mean God damn, politics even has sway here?
How exactly do hp/l ratio's matter? It would be great if I could get just one noob, JUST ONE, to come up with a no-nonsense legit answer. Will you be the first, noob?
the z06 engine is smaller, lighter, and more understressed (low hp/L) so it'll last longer. plus, it delivers instant torque and sounds amazing (unlike a stupid little 6 cyl with turbos)
+Mykel Boy Nah... A Viper ACR would piss on your beloved GTR very quick. Besides, they tested the two cars again and the Corvette won... What do you expect? Of course the Vette hat to win.
***** Funny you say that, I have 2015 2015 Cayman S... Which indeed it is cheaper than these two... Yet, I love my little car, it just a pain in the ass when family comes to visit. Can't take them anywhere.
+Coleftw the gtr nismo is actually the fastest accelerating production car in the world. 0-60 and 0-100 is only beaten by the bugatti. which has 10 more cylinders.... and costs .85 million more
I'd take a GTR over a Corvette anyday! With AWD the GTR is an all year round supercar with 4 seats, more practicality, and better fuel economy than Corvette while the 650hp Corvette has too much power going only to the rear wheels, just search Corvette Crash Compilation and you'll see the RWD Corvette is extremely easy to spun out and crash like the Carrera GT did to Paul Walker, 400hp is the maximum I would want in an RWD car, 650hp would be fatal, any car over 400hp should be AWD, just to keep the power controllable and be responsible with that much power.
Good luck driving a GTR in the snow. Just because it has AWD doesn't discount the wide and track oriented tires. Also the Corvette gets better fuel economy at 30mpg highway. Paul Walker didn't crash because he was driving a RWD car and spun out either, it was because he was going 100mph on a public road and drove off the road. Finally, just because there's video compilations of a specific kind of car crashing doesn't mean its uncontrolable, if they made as many GTRs as they did Vettes, there'd be a compilation of them crashing too.
They retested the Z06 and found that it was faster around the track then the NISMO. This particular Z06 in the video had the rear alignment severely out of wack causing it to be slower.
NEVER count a GTR out! GTR can compete with super cars 3 times its price! Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever expected a NISSAN to be considered a SUPERCAR! RESPECT the GTR!
Lolman240 So odd when people say a car will do things by itself. The GTR won't do anything "by itself". It's still a car, which means it requires driver inputs for throttle, brake and steering (among other things). It's not automated or self-propelled. It isn't a shuttle craft on star trek. Have you driven one? It's absolutely exhilarating and it does push you to become a better driver. Perhaps you meant to say the z06 is more visceral? That, I would agree with.
xebek Oh, it is a bit of an exaggeration. It's not the RS7 with autonomous driving. The opinion is not of my own but rather of Motor Trend's. They stated in previous comparisons/reviews of the GT-R that it is less involving compared to others such as this Z06. That is what I meant.
Lolman240 I know, and I was being a bit of a pedantic dick. I think that some people get the impression that the GTR takes little to no skill and that it's utterly boring as a result. You know how automotive journalists tend to exaggerate, possibly giving the public an inaccurate perception.
The only reason randy says the corvette is hard to manage is because he's driving it at 100% of what it can do. I've ridden in a non z07 z06 on the track. It was my instructors car. No mods, completely stock and it ripped your face off in turns and braking. Never got side ways and I didn't knownyou could get on throttle that soon coming out of a corner with that car. It amazed me to be honest. For everyday people c7 z06 is not hard to control at all. I love that car.
@aaronvector4750 I know it had that, but I've heard him say that before and a lot of drivers have said it about corvettes. What I've found is that driving it at 100% is harder, not how a majority of regular people on the track would drive it.
They need to put in the description that they retested after fixing the alignment and the vette got a 1:25, but whatever. Gtr fanboys everywhere are using this video now as proof that there car is faster even though it's wrong. Thanks motor trend.
its funny that they tried so hard to get the corvette faster. Re-align the GTR suspension and start swapping areo around and I bet you could get better times haha.
Delight Galore The GTR is still the better car and will be my next car after I blow My BMW or 300zx. I love Chevy and I love corvettes but they are lighter, make more power and should destroy the GTR on paper. But the magic of Godzilla always pulls through. Lets revisit this subject when the R36 lands. The R35 has been out for almost a decade now.
Wait so the z/28 was able to beat out the nismo gtr in best drivers car but the z06 z07 doesnt? does that mean that the z/28 camaro is a better all around car than the z06? doesn't seem to add up to me
drivers car, cos they loved that a huge car was so fun and could perform so well. Performance wise not close to the GTR or the Z06, I think the zo6 would be a more enjoyable car to drive just not as quick as the GTR..... sorry
It's was originally 100,000 but I would still get the Nismo no matter what Bc it's very unique I want to drive a car that is not seen everyday Bc I always see vettes and muscle and every Porsche xD
no shame in losing the the nismo. its a 170,000 car with the same options they had on the vette. plus this GTR resembles next to nothing from the 1st one back in 2007. this is completely reworked from the engine internals to the shock set up to the chassis rigidity. other than interior or exterior its completely different.
I just thinking that when I show the video. It appears the aero is used to try to tame it. On the limit the aero doesn't work at lower speeds. GM should've delayed the car from being released. They know Randy will tell all that's not working in handling.
And you wonder why you yanks get laughed at!! You think everything evolves around America! The GTR is prob way more expensive over there......why? Due to them importing it maybe? It's like me saying that in the UK or Australia the Corvette is way over priced compared to it's performance! We'll it would be due to import prices! The only place the Corvette will be remotely successful is the U.S......
+Modelo Super yeah in the uk you can get a gtr form 40k my uncle got a black edition for 47k love to own it soon but until then im stuck with a 2004 civic haha
+Grzesiek S the Nismo lost the retest 1.25.00 vs 1.25.70 Also the 2016 ACR is top dog it has broken 13 Lap Records the Nismo is far behind it do some research . the Z06 is a lot faster . look up all the lap times
+Grzesiek S Ikr, and corvette fans gets ever salty about that fact, a v8 can't overcome v6, with 50 more horse and hundreds more torque, almost 400pounds lighter and 2 seats.. Can't even catch the GTR, and some people still talking trash omfg... I will call it a tie if it only seconds faster than a GTR.
Ai Do you know anything ??? The final time was 1.25.00 here At Laguna Seca it was a blowout Nismo - 1.35.51 vs Z06 - 1.30.60 Virginia International Nismo - 2.49.4 vs Z06 - 2.41.3 It destroyed the Nismo Go look it up before talking stupid You kids ruin the car culture with this
Not surprised for 2 reasons. 1 the nissan has had years to improve upon the gtr and 2 it has a great awd system. Tell you what, put the optional ceramic brakes and some cup 2 tires and the gtr would be even faster. Doesn't. Matter how much fun FR cars are they're Going to struggle with corner exit grip in high hp applications. I can just imagine how much the gtr fandbois are celebrating now lol. Good job with the video. I enjoyed it but personally would have been surprised if there was any other result.
***** The normal GT-R has "performance tires" but they're pretty far from being a track oriented tire like the Cup 2. The Dunlop SP Sport Max GT600 DSST CTT is more geared towards durability than outright grip. This Nismo has the same tire with less treads.
Love watching this again, re-watch it and watching it again lol So much fun to see how Carlo underestimates the GT-R then shocked by its performance at the end lol One little tips, the 1,720 kg GT-R nismo won't out-accelerate a 1,600 kg Z06 with 50 horsepower less and 170 lb/ft torque less... Use some logic man. Close gear ratio and aerodynamic isn't everything... The reason GT-R nismo accelerates quicker is because the setup of the car allows the driver to hit the gas sooner than the Corvette. As Randy mentioned, "the car rotates at corner exit". That's because ATTESA ET-S is 100% RWD, allowing throttle steer to gain turning angle during under-steer while the front will receive right amount of power once the rear starting to lose effective amount of both lateral and longitudinal grip. In other word, the sooner he hits the gas, more balance he'll gain from the setup. And that is how the nismo "out-accelerated" the Z06. Simple as that.
The ATTESA is rear-biased all-wheel drive system... the rear always have power, getting 50-100% (i think its 70 - 100, maybe a little too high on the 50) of engine power depending on the driving conditions with its Electronic Torque Split. When the sensors need the front, up to 50% (again, maybe a little too high. probably 30) of torque can be sent to the front wheels. I think all GTRs including skyline GTRs are like that. Its only 100% when you are not pushing it or on dry pavement meaning you probably never feel the full 100% rear at the track unless the sensors see or feel nothing that it needs 30% to the front. Whats impressive about the weight of the GTR is that it has more drivetrain parts than the Vette, yet it only weighs 120KGs more (Engine sends power to a gearbox at the back that weighs about half the weight of its engine. Gearbox sends that power back to the front with another shaft to a diff somewhere under the engine.) Also the Box is clever... it is an automated manual... not a full automatic. 2 wet computer controlled clutches which are simutaneously working together. 1 controls the odd gears and the other the even gears so before you even shift into second, the gears is already pre-shifted by the second clutch and the 1st clutch disangages 1st and so on. With the all-wheel drive system, the weight and the engine, the car is nearly perfectly-balanced with good handling and grip so that the driver feels confident and in full control at all times. The GTR was built with weight in mind thats why they wont get rid of it nomatter how much you ask. It has almost nothing going on on the outside and looks like a brick because its weight is its downforce. A car that weighs a lot, handles and in the hands of inexperienced drivers they need that weight which is why you will probably reach the GTR's lap than you would in the Vette. It reminds me mostly of the failed LMP1-H class Nissan GTR LM Nismo in the sense that it has no aero trickery like the class leaders on the outside but managed to record about the same top speed with 5 gears and a disabled hybrid system... (Looking at the size of that things gearbox, it was lugging around weight.) The thing weighs like an SUV but has shared a 0-60 with hypercars 4-10x its price with less than 1/2 their horsepower and a stock one once did a 10.8 1/4 The GTR should be worth more than it is even after the price of the Nismo... I recon it was way underpriced when it debuted and the current price should have been what it was worth but its a NIssan. I think Nissan did well by taking the GTR package for the RWD skyline and making it into its own product... the GTR But other than that, I agree with most of what you said on the last and half of second last sentence.
+kornofilo haha noooo have you not seen the back seat it touches the back of the front seat you would have to be a quadriplegic to sit in the backseat of a gtr
I love the Z06 but there is something seriously wrong with this car. On the straights it is slower in acc. The spoiler on the back is making it slower. Top speed has been cut. It over heats quick. They are struggling to get a ring time because i feel its slower than the old Z06/Z07 package. This car is fighting it's own self. This car could be a big flop for GM and it is there fault. This car has lost to so many cars on RUclips. Get the last Z06 and Zr1 do a comparison to this. It might Lose.
Let's say this baby has some issues. The dyno reading really show what is wrong with Z06. Torque spikes fairly quickly. Leaving nothing on the top end. You have say 600+hp till 130.After such speed heat soak,drag and ecu cuts timing. The highway pulls back December were a sign of things to come. GM claims the Ring lap was rained out. Throw in some race like fuel. Probably could get a great Ring time. Any less long back strait will kill this car top speed. We have to see what this CTS-V will do. It has similar engine but much better cooling management then Z06.
Jeffrey Williams it's the computer. it pulls timing to keep the engine alive. with the 100K warranties chevy has to keep the engine going. tuners said it pulls like 10 degrees[that's like 100hp loss]
Thor22 The 'Ring is closed now but the Z06 is already quicker than the ZR1 on VIR. blog.caranddriver.com/watch-the-2015-corvette-z06-absolutely-destroy-virginia-international-raceway/ Although I hope GM will tune the ECU differently and back down on the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty so the LT4 won't be strangled.
Price dnt matter because its not the price that’s the problem. It doesn’t cost Chevy 60K to add more downforce. Notice the ZR1 has a huge wing and front pieces for downforce. Yet it’s still not a great drivers car everybody is saying the chassis feels like it’s to much power and hard to drive. Front engine rear drive with no advanced aero, 650-700 pounds of torque. That’s going to be tough to drive. Rather get a 812 super fast and pay the extra 200K
thats what tuning is all about. you dial each aspect of the car to get the best time. even badge on some car that you remove from the grill make it have higher speed or accelerate faster on top speed. this is why when manufacture make a higher end model it cost so much more but the component barely changes. the cost goes to the R&D and in turn, that makes the cost go up more and not adding more HP or component.
1) the gtr has the bigger motor...put them side by side and you'll laugh your ass off at how much smaller the v8 will be. 2) the z06 in the video had an alignment issue. read motor trends article about it, the realigned the car and it ran a better time than the gtr gtr loses to another corvette, as usual
jnrandall yeah put it kn after the fact. Remake the video and give the truth. Thats why I dont pay attention to what they say cause its flavorable to who they want to get it. Well I guess you can do that when you own the mag.
Dylan Sumski nope , GTR owns them all , them stupid V8's aint worth the fucking pnny a stage 2 gtr and a bit of tune could beat a 2015MCLaren P1 watch the vid in youtube
Bahamuttiamat if I had to choose between the corvette and the gtr, I'd pick the gtr. If I had to choose between a 70 charger with 900hp and a gtr, I'd be with the charger all day!!!! 😂😂😂
So which video shows the Z06 beating this record? Just watched their Vette Grand Sport vs Porsche video, and it shows the 2015 Z06 as the fastest car they've tested at Willow Springs. It got an even 1:25:00.
There wasn't a video. After this test/video..GM checked the car and found the rear alignment was out. They also noticed that Willow springs track is so rough..that even on the softest suspension setting it was to stiff..which made the car skittish. GM reprogrammed the magnetic shocks...which I hoped they would have ran it again before they did that. (GT-R fan boys are Crying foul) The manual Z06 did 1:25.00, they also brought an automatic Z06 and it ran 1:25.76 (0.06 seconds slower than the Nismo 1:25.70). FYI, the ACR viper has the track record at 1:21.24. Here's the link to the article. www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2015/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-track-retest/ They ran them both at Laguan Seca (different cars) Z06 was MUCH quicker. Nismo - 1:35.51 Z06 - 1:33.05 Z06 beat it by 2.45sec. or about 304ft or 18 car lengths on the track in 1 lap.
JerseyMikeP Thanks for the info! Gotta love those track times. Especially the one you mentioned at Laguna... against a GTR no less. Yeah, for the past decade all of the foreign car fan boys have been having to eat their words, and it keeps getting worse for them every year. You can't deny the numbers though. I love it! :)
Ryan Nutter Non-American supercars have only held the top steps when it came to Drag racing in stock trim. AWD or rear/mid engine weight bias give them an advantage in launches/traction and the fact that all most all of them have DCT transmissions and American cars don't give them an 0.5+ ET advantage. Only the Z06 automatic is similar in performance (10.9@128mph) If only Dodge had a DCT/automatic available in the viper for the last year...would easily out run the Z06.(better traction and hp/lbs).
These are less of sports cars and more of track cars. Both are too uncomfortable in their sport or race mode. The base GTR is more appealing for both driving and it's price. The same goes for Z06. Z06 has wider tires than 918 (front) and are basically the stickiest semi slicks on the market. The trend with ever wider tires, especially in the front, and ever extremer aero packages to make fast track cars, is moving these cars from being sports cars to track specialists. Z/28 with worlds widest front tires (also sticky semi slicks) comes to mind. And too much torque is good in a track or race car, not in a sports car. If you want to do some inspired driving and reving your engine on a canyon road with Z06, I think you can only shift from 1st to 2nd and back. With that much torque you will be at insane speeds already in 3rd gear. And you could leave it in 3rd all the time with no need to shift. The base Corvette C7 with Z51 package is a much more appealing sports car than this track monster. GTR is close to ending it's cycle and it shows. Z06 could have been a nice sports car 1 or 2 steps above C7 but unfortunately it turned out to be a track car. Despite all the advantages Z06 has over GTR with much wider stickier tires, so much better brakes, more power and torque and less weight still lost to this old design GTR so decisively.
I must say all points are very inline. Z06 was actually developed with the race car. On looks that what it really is. Problem here is GM didn't tune Z06 properly. The claimed power is for a little while before computer says that's enough of the fun and games,lol.. To protect engine and other valuable parts ECU cuts power and timing some 10 degrees. From then on car is well under 600hp. GM wishes to see their engine last 100,000 miles. Tuning a supercharger based car is no easy trick. There must be all kinds of radiators to cool it. The Hellcat has a very different supercharger. The cooling on that monster probably adds 100+ pounds in weight. It appears GM didn't want to add such weight.I've looked over all the cooling components. I don't see this setup working out. They will have to add weight to get all right.If not ECU will just only allow a short duration of power. The handling is a issue too. GM should have delayed this car. The CTS-V has the same engine but with a different cooling system. I will have to see 1 tested for a better reference point.
Jeffrey Williams It's pretty ridiculous to have a 100,000 mile warranty on a high performance car like the Z06. Hopefully GM will tune the ECU differently so the LT4 won't be strangled.
Jeffrey Williams I think you're right about the handling. Such a track focused car with that much torque, extreme tires, brakes and aero should preform much better. I think they need to make some adjustments to the chassis.
NoReplacementForDisplacement I think we need to relax a little. For the first time Z06 is actually the better car not including the lap time. You could drive it more then this NISMO. The Stingray Z51 is still the best bargain. When the tuner contacted GM of the conservative tune issue I knew we were in for disappointment. GM came out and stated of issues in hitting emissions targets. The white flag was thrown for there on. The handling issues I read online. Z06 isn't a polish car. They haven't ironed out the minor things. If you want a old school wheel spinning tire burning car. This Z06 will make you day. I still see it as a tuners dream. This could be the car that wrecked at the Ring,lol. Might be a unfinished test mule. Maybe some details will come out about it. The auto should be the better car on track. I still think torque converter can tame the power out of corners. Not for use how long it will last either but hopefully a test of 1 happens soon. The warranty is the big killer here. It's damn hard to guarantee a track car for 100,000 miles. I mean come on, this is no Hyundai.
Jeffrey Williams GM's still got time to iron out the kinks so I don't mind that much, but strangling the LT4 so it has the lifespan of a family hatchback is beyond stupid to me. Especially on the Z07 package Z06. Vengeance racing was able to get 660hp/663tq at the wheels with a few minor changes to the LT4. Or there could be issues with this specific car, who knows honestly. I can't wait for MT to take the Z06 to Laguna Seca though.
+Brendan Kennedy yeah. keep in mind the fact that import taxes make a good chunk of that price. go to europe and the corvette will cost much more than in USA.
+Brendan Kennedy The corvette was 9 seconds faster on the ring. (to friendly correct you!) horsepowerkings.com/hail-to-the-king-2015-corvette-z06-cracks-off-a-659-13-lap-at-the-nurburgring/ there you go!
SANIC It lost fair and square. The retest was because gm was so butthurt they got beat by the underdog NISMO and to save their pride made up so lie about an alignment issue just so they can tweak it to fit the track. GM is such a sore loser. I know the truth hurts. But hey, that's life. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
John Jones the retest fixed the rear camber issue with the Z06. And it beat the GTR nismo. Better at the track Ran a stock 10.42sec 1/4 mile Gets better MPG. Better car overall
ya the GT-R used to be the most amazing because of its price to preformance ratio. $60,000 and hand built everything, attention to to detail was amazing for price as well.. now starting prices are $110,000 but i think the 2017 even at $110,000 is insane value for money they really hoping power even on base model to old Nismo edition specs. and people thinking Vette is better value, it really isn't, I priced one out myself and they nickle and dime you everywhere. like buying a German car, everything costs extra.. everything.. can't ever buy just a base model, never it will atleast have one extra to jack up its price so they can haggle. the GT-R has set feature sets. no nickle and diming. base model is their luxury premium model.. nice comfy seats that hug you in corners, you get 4 seats infact, nice Bose audio system, leather all around, great amount of sound deadening, so pretty surprising how fast it really is once u get used to it quietness, and slightly more compliant suspension, nice large touch interface, well spec'd and trimmed. then Nismo Edition, which all of the same, plus more power, more exhaust, more rear wing, more track tuning and more aggressive awd system. then black/track edition, this strips out bunch of luxuries, adds even more power, more exhaust, and even more aggressive tuning. and if your really soft in the head or have more money than possibly know what to do with and donating and helping humanity seems unappealing .... then have theres the Alpha editions GT-Rs. these are black edition GT-Rs with special under the hood tuning. range from modest 800WHP. to 1200WHP.
Here on the old continent (Europe) they are about the same price. And the Vette (and I love it, the new ones are great), is VERY expensive to own due to the high engine capacity. The vette's engine makes in Belgium 3600€/Year in road tax. The GTR is only 1200€/Year. And gasoline costs 1,5€/liter = 5,6$ US / gallon. I had a GTR R35, drove it in terrential rain, snow, in the summer on the Nurburgring, at Spa ... I ferried people with their luggage to the airport (4 usable seats and very big boot). So if our tax system would change again (currently I would pay 19500€/Year in tax on a GTR/Vette), I'll get a new one. They are great daily drivers (but very hard). Or ... a new C7 automatic. :-)
I've hear there has been trouble with the new LT1 engine, I'll bet if they put it on the dyno it's not making 650 horse. Wing or no wing with lighter weight more power and stickier tires it should be leaving the Nissan in the straights.
DAK454 People have already dyno'd the Z06 it makes 650 hp and torque. It's most likely the ECU pulling power. Also the problems with the LT1 have been fixed and the Z06 uses an LT4.
So Motor trend just tested the regular ZL-1 here and they got 1:25.87 tire pressure adjustments. I can't wait until they lap the 1LE variation of the ZL-1. It's going to be so funny when it beats it's big brother the Z06 on the track.
why didnt they use an automatic with the zo6? its 2.9 to 60mph and the 1/4 mile time is like 10.9 not 11.4. how could you get 3.3 0-60mph when it was 3.1 with manual 2.9 with automatic. quarter mile manual is 11.1 with auto its 10.9. only .2 seconds difference not much but enough to matter.
Jeffrey Williams then why did they compare the 2? the manual is much slower than the auto. thats a no brainer really. 0-60 3.3 VS 2.9? 1/4 mile in 11.4 or 10.9. you tell me which transmission is better for drag racing and track use.
thisguy177 From what I've read auto is the better overall package. MT had a mag deadline to meet. GM pretty much gave MT what was available. They should've told them NO. We are working on some issues with the cars. Model in video was a early prototype brought up to spec.Not sure how it was used in development. Results show car had some issues to work out. Hate to see this happen. Maybe next time will be a different story.
Jeffrey Williams yeah i know that sounds right spot on. and you hate to use excuses but that corvette should have been much faster i mean cmon what gives? i dont care if the GTR beat it or not i just want to know why it was so hyped up and then it failed to even match the gtr let alone surpass it. better brakes better tires less weight and 50 more horsepower. I really want to see the auto in the vette and the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times then a lap time maybe laguna seca? what are your thoughts about it all? do you think they messed with the ECU for emissions? too much downforce stage 3 aero package? i know for a fact the manual is bit slower than the auto. they should test a stage 2 aero with an automatic how do you think itd fair? id say tie with GTR about. give or take .3 tenths
Love the shot if the Z06 tire @ 2:00...just looking at that...how can anybody claim that the Z06 can be a "daily driver"? Viper T/A is the fastest street/track car with "real" street tires.
Look up 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Track Retest - Motor Trend. The manual Z06 ran a 1:25.00 and the automatic a 1:25.76 to the NISMO’s 1:25.70. The rear suspension was out of alignment during the first test. So the manual is ever so slightly faster and the automatic is practically identical to the NISMO.
James Barnes $150k nissan beats most supercars costing twice as much. and the brand isnt as attractive as a lambo or ferrari nor the looks of the GTR. and the Z06 is only $78k.... hella cheap
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 To tell you the truth di, even my family has too many cars I don't care what kind ofcars they have as long as I can drive. And because of Quentin Freeman and you, I learned a little about cars even your conversation with Q about different insane cars hahaha I thank both of you for sharing it. Seriosly I don't know what's lada? Lazzara I know because my dad is planning to buy a new one.
Vernon Price The above video won't change when seeing which car has the quicker time, worked or broken Vette's don't count in a stock Vs stock comparison. Perhaps the broken Vette does, seeing as GM felt it was important enough to supply it. Maybe they thought it was going to be put against something else. It's why I can say the Nismo GTR was quicker here, when you say the worked Vette had a faster time. I've clarified how it was worked to you in a different reply elsewhere here, along with the simple example on how you take what I say out of context. Finally, a car's ability to produce more G's in any given circumstance is a good example of how a car is exceptional balanced; why would they bother with those test's if it wasn't? Plz entertain me with a reply to that. You see, even the ZO6 here has momentary pauses when going through a corner; this is done to give the driver a break & enjoy the ride at the cost of decreased mid corner altitude & manuverability. The GTR does away with these pauses, so even if a car has one stronger G reading like the Vette; a single stronger G cannot match multiple ones only slightly weaker in comparison. That's precisely what the GTR accomplishes. As for how the GTR accomplishes this, that's in the realm of sensitivity & wonder to the Nissan engineer's. The only problem I have with it is the tyres, less grippy tyres do make 4 wheel steer easier; but the Vette's tyres would completely change it & take it to another level. I assume that Nissan made the GTR into a G generating machine to aid stability, why not equip it with tyres that do this much better than the current stock ones if that was there approach? Good thing owner's are doing this anyway to see the difference.
"The above video won't change when seeing which car has the quicker time, worked or broken Vette's don't count in a stock Vs stock comparison. " Since the Z06's rear end was just out of alignment, it was neither "worked" nor "broken". When they set the rear suspension back to factory spec, it was faster than the GT-R. Just like it has been on every other track. "Perhaps the broken Vette does" Since the Vette wasn't "broken", I'm not sure why you think that makes any sense. "It's why I can say the Nismo GTR was quicker here" It was only quicker than a Z06 with a rear end that was out of alignment. "I've clarified how it was worked to you in a different reply elsewhere here" Except it wasn't "worked". It was set back to factory spec. "Finally, a car's ability to produce more G's in any given circumstance is a good example of how a car is exceptional balanced" Nope, generating Gs is not a function of balance, it's a function of grip. Any idiot knows that. "even the ZO6 here has momentary pauses when going through a corner" Yes, because in this video, the Z06's rear end was out of alignment. "I assume that Nissan made the GTR into a G generating machine to aid stability," Yes, it's a stable, G generating machine that is SLOWER than a Z06 around a track. But hey, at least it costs twice as much money.
Vernon Price Out of alignment isn't broken LOL? Then why did GM bother to fix it to you? Perhaps you prefer broken car's, but it's not a preference for anyone buying or testing a car. A different suspension callibration & a softened track mode damping via ECM isn't a rear alignment, it's a modification outside of how a stock C7 ZO6 is. Which was done to the Vette with the 1:25 time. It did have a rear alignment done to fix, what you claim; didn't need fixing. But they should have left it at that. As a result, the GTR is quicker than the Vette you claim isn't broken; (😂) because it was stock.
@@brantleyfoster021 "Out of alignment isn't broken LOL?" Are you seriously saying you don't understand what the word "broken" means? "Then why did GM bother to fix it to you? " They ADJUSTED the alignment back to factory specs. Nothing was "broken". 😂😂😂😂 "Perhaps you prefer broken car's" Since nothing was broken, I don't see how that's relevant. Also, still haven't figured out how to use apostrophes, huh? That's pretty funny. "A different suspension callibration & a softened track mode damping via ECM isn't a rear alignment, it's a modification outside of how a stock C7 ZO6 is" Since all stock Z06s are set up that way from the factory, no it isn't. "It did have a rear alignment done to fix what didn't need fixing as you seem to think. " I never said the alignment didn't need to be fixed, I said it wasn't broken. You are REALLY bad at English. "As a result, the GTR is quicker than the Vette" Except it isn't, seeing as how a fully factory stock Vette was faster than then GT-R both on this track and on every other track. Like I said, the GT-R was only faster than a Z06 with a rear end that was out of alignment. Not real hard to understand, but you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
Vernon Price "Nope, generating G's is not a function of balance, it's a function of grip. Any idiot knows that." Grip is necessary to distinguish a car's balance. You missed my point completely with that in mind.
Vernon Price "Since all stock ZO6s are set up that way from the factory, no it isn't." The softened track mode damping via ECM is a $350 suspension upgrade for that model Corvette, it doesn't come set up like that from the factory.
wait shouldn't the Z06 be compared to the track edition GTR? not the nismo... and no shame in losing the the nismo. its a 170,000 car with the same options they had on the vette. plus this GTR resembles next to nothing from the 1st one back in 2007. this is completely reworked from the engine internals to the shock set up to the chassis rigidity. other than interior or exterior its completely different.
justin bouche The Z06 would be a lot easier to acquire as well. Im sure those who have the NISMO for sell will surely command an ungoldly premium for it.
To all you GTR fan boys.... the gtr wasn't developed any better or worse than the Z06. The reason the Z06 lost the track battle is the same reason the Zr1 beat the viper gts at Laguna Seca...driver confidence. The Gtr's 4wd system allows you to be more confident, relaxed, and less strained on not how much throttle to give it out of the corners but, when and how much earlier can I give this thing full throttle. 4wd give you more traction, more traction means a more confident driver, which equal up to faster lap time. The end.
Dont get me wrong I dont hate the Gtr I just hate the fan boys that try to make it seem like Nissan engineered their car soooo much better than GM did the Corvette. Trust and believe if you disable that front axel on the gtr it would be a different ballgame. Both cars are the best in their individual drive trane layout.
So prius would be magically faster than corvette if the driver is more confident? This goes for the situation where cars are equal but one gives more confidence. In this case on paper corvette has all the edges - it has more power, more torque, a lot less weight, way better brakws, way better tires. Basically all the simple understandable things are better.
Aur0n a prius lol really lets be adults and keep things in perspective, a prius no but something like a hot Megan, fiesta, or 208 gti in a super tight technical course (topgear uk fiesta vs corvette in a mall), yes the small front drive would beat a much much more powerful rear drive car....power, torque, less weight, good brakes and tires don't mean jack shit if your suspension and aero settings wont allow you to put all that power to the ground properly. Well at least at thos particular track. Now somewhere like the N-ring the vette would just power buy the gtr with its long high speed sweepers and straights. The vette, with a softer suspension setting cause the ring is bumpier than hell, would be rock solid stsble with tge stage 3 aero kit. Not to say this track is small but it was the right size and the right amount of corners for the gtr to blast out of each one. Thats the real beauty of Awd. Lol no pun intended.
BigGuz53 chasis recalibration and a pissed off Randy. Ralph Giles ,ceo of SRT at the time, said Randy was always afraid of the Viper which is why he was reluctant to push it to its limits. Randy made sure to make ole Ralphy a lier the second time around.
This Z06 had alignement issues and the manual Z06 beat the Nismo's time during the retest. The automatic was slower than the manual Z06. It was barely slower than the Nismo with a time of 1:25.76 vs. the GT-R's 1:25.70
You know what sucks and yet is awesome about cars? There will never be an automobile that is the best, because the next day will see a stronger, faster, overall improved version of the older one.
Rawr McRawr Love the picture, don't know about the Iphone, personally I've never had one, but everyone I know who has has either broken it in the week, complained about it, or traded it in for something else. I dunno.
OmegaEGGY Well, yeah. But I wasn't comparing them. I was just adding to the other guy's comment when he said, "There will never be an automobile that is the best, because the next day will see a stronger, faster, overall improved version of the older one." Kind of reminds me of what apple does.
CCZ Z06 tested was over 100k. There are no do overs. Nismo won fair and square. You can't take a test, lose, then make a number of changes and run a dozen or so laps to get a better time.
CSM1470 It wasn't fair and square. The rear suspension was out of alignment on the Z06. If you think that test was fair, then you're an idiot. Proof from MotoTrend: "The real reason the Z06 was slower was because Chevrolet gave us a car with the rear suspension out of alignment. It was supposed to be running 0 degrees of rear caster. Instead, it was running positive 2 degrees. This made the rear dampers less effective at controlling the rear suspension and as a result made it more difficult for the Z06 to put power down. This is exactly what Randy Pobst complained about during our test."
CSM1470 hey buddy, you're right about the gtr beating the disabled z06, but in real life the manual and automatic Z06's are faster than the nismo period. The GTR won in THIS video, but of course people don't want to read about the retest because they can't handle the truth.
What are you smokin dude? The Nismo will beat the Z07 from 0 to 60 and quarter mile every time. The GM boys had to come and add some software and do a caster adjustment. Plus they probably ran a dozen laps before they actually did a official lap. They lost. Face the music..LMAO!!!
Didn't realize how offended people got when they hear the truth. Where do i start? The z06 had 15k in upgrades?? Upgrades that do what? Heat up your seats... and at a 1/4 mile they both do about the same, depends on driver. I wasnt talking about the laps they did in this video moron, i was talking about the actual retest. But why does it matter? You people will never be close to owning a this GTR let alone a Z06. Thats another fact, so why defend somehing and look like a butthurt fanboy? I dont get it with these dumbasses lol.
Jeffrey Williams Wrong in their latest article. z06 ran a 1:25:00 they retested with the auto as well which ran a 1:25:76 nismo ran 1:25.70. the Z06 won ;) with manuel. oh and it did it with out octane boost which the GTR had Z06 ran pump gas
clovis myers How I'm wrong?? MT did ask for a auto.A manual was sent. I well aware of retest. There was a issue in the rear of car. GM brought a auto out to test against manual. It was all over the forums.
In real life it comes down to driver. At the track I see way more Vette drivers pushing their cars then GTR drivers. The confidence is key. Even though the GTR is more stable around the track. It lacks personality. And that’s why so many GTR owners don’t connect well with their cars.
Im shock motorTrend was Fair on this race they finally went in to details, I knew the GTR Nismo would dominate, and this is Nissan GTR, the supreme is yet to come which is the 700hp Infiniti Essence It will also play a part in Nissan/infiniti Domination coming soon....2016
Robert Davis Nissan set the bar with the 2009 GTR. Every car company is trying to catch. Porsche has with the 911 turbo S. This Z06 was supposed to be the answer. NOPE!!!! Just wait until the next GTR. It will be GODZILLA on cocaine. LOL!!!
Domination was shorted lived. Z06 did have issue in rear. Driver in video is clearly having difficulties with it. GM came out to Willow like I knew they would. Many thought all was set in stone after these results. After retest Z06 was over 2 secs faster then first tested. New time is 1:25.00.
+MrChow408 I agree, sure, it may have been slightly faster in the 1/4 mile than the z06, but the vette looks better, sounds better, performs better on the track, costs 1/2 as much, and manages to do all that speed with a manual transmission AND rear wheel drive, both of which make it more fun than the GT-R.
+MrChow408 I'm not a GTR fanatic, but I get the impression it's so hyped because it's always been a well-built car, very modestly priced for what it can do, and has always been a major technical achievement considering it's "mediocre" specs.
Thank you! Just about to comment that exactly! If you think about it, the vette is a pure sports car unlike the gtr and that's what makes it more fun to drive!
I'm just amazed at all the American butt hurt? A brand new car loses to an 8 year old platform? Yet it has more power more torque, bigger engine, lighter? The thing is the Corvette will bounce back and I hope they do, it will just spur others on, to make their cars better. I just hope they don't rely on the big sticky tires like on the 2012 ZR1/Z06 had, or the MPSC ZP tires, for the next update! Because you cannot use them daily! No matter the BS they feed you about semi slick tires! Great on a track no so on the road, and that's where you are going to be using your beloved 100K car! The GTR did well here! Simply it will probably get beat on the Laguna Seca! (this version is a little different to the pre-production one they tested last year). No idea why you are crying, or why in the all the world did you guys think it was going to be so amazingly perfect? It's beat the 911 GT3, it's just the Nismo is better, simple. Love both cars and stop bitching Americans!
There is a stg 1 package with SS tires. Someone posted similar Z06 on winter tires. The Cup2 are for track performance. On the street good luck with them in damp conditions.
Dennis Bamfo If Nissan just put on some Carbon Brakes, it would be a monster, I can't understand why they won't put them on? Even if they stay away from the sticky tires!
You'd be surprised if you looked an Nurburgring track times then as a $40,000 z28 is only like 2 seconds slower than a Porsche 911 GT3 that costs about $100,000 more. You know, because american cars can't handle.... oh did I mention the corvettes from the last 10 years corner better, or a mustang GT350R, etc, etc.
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That Corvette is the most American thing I've seen, and I've see a bald eagle eat a t bone steak... at a Willie Nelson concert... in Texas.
While sipping jack Danials Tennessee whiskey.
+drewditty You forget that the t-bone steak was sitting on the back of a lifted ram 3500 diesel, with a pair of truck nuts and a cross hanging from it.
+gmansplit hahahaha!
Funny. Thanks for the laugh.
The Dodge Viper ACR is the most American thing with 13 Track Records
So let me get this straight. GTR is more comfortable, more stable and balanced, faster 0 - 60, faster quarter mile, faster lap time even though it is less powerful, heavier and apparently doesnt brake better than the Z06. Well, call me crazy but the GTR is really something out of the ordinary.
Looks like you didn't watch the whole video. The Z06 brakes better, grips better, has higher skidpad numbers, much faster figure 8 test and in the real world on a drag strip runs 10.8s @ 127 which is faster than any stock GT-R. And then there's the price, which is $50k less than the Nismo GT-R, and that is INCLUDING the Z07 package and all the optional aero, and the highest trim level.
Apparently I did. GTR grips better where as the ZO6 is tail happy. He even drove with one hand, what does that tell you. I mentioned Z06 brakes better and real world ? You mean taking it to the track and the GTR comes first, taking it to the streets and it beats the Z06. The drag strip is where we ll find out what the driver is made of. Still, the GTR beats the Z06.
scyther6666 The GTR grips better where, exactly? Not on the skidpad or in the figure 8, that was already established and you should already know that if you had actually watched the video. And real world means some average guy with a Z06 brings it to the drag strip and runs a 10.8 @ 127. Not a pro driver or even an auto journalist. And again, no stock GT-R is that fast.
Vernon Price Lol. Are you honestly going to argue with me over whether an AWD has more grip than a RWD? GTR was faster in the lap time because you could push it further in the corners and it was faster in the straights. 9:09 he said its very stable (meaning it sticks to the road, again meaning it grips the road better). 11:07 He said dont try that in the vett. I wonder why. Perhaps because he felt more confident driving the GTR as he knew where the car was going. Faster figure 8 didnt give it the edge you so desired. And where are you getting the 10.8 figure?. Its 11.4 @ 124.4 in this video for the ZO6.
scyther6666 Are you honestly going to argue with the instrumented testing done by Motor Trend? Watch the video again if you're confused. Pay attention to the skidpad and figure 8 numbers.
The 10.8 figure is from actual timeslips from regular people on the drag strip.
I don't even understand why people argue over which is better LMAO. Both are insane and I would own either in a heartbeat if I could. Screw arguments, start arguing when you can actually afford one.
Dan Chang There's no argument. They are merely poor people who try to justify the inferior build, quality and shitty handling, ugly american crap. Some are sore losers who can't accept the fact that Japanese engineering is superior. The sound of their people is winey, annoying and pathetic.
***** I'm all for Japanese cars, heck I daily drive a 2012 G37. But like.... those are all a matter of opinion LOL and everyone is entitled to their opinion. "American cars are all crap" is your opinion, and that's fine. But there is no form of a "wrong" opinion, as they are not fact. A "good" car can be defined in many ways. I personally think the new Corvettes are pretty nice (greatly updated interiors, handling is actually very good, and not to mention cheap to buy for a car that can keep up with AMG cars with ease) Just because one person (me, or you) likes Japanese cars for their reliability and feel, does not make anyone else wrong for their preferences. And that type of thinking is exactly why wars get started over religion and personal differences like that. tolerance is key
Dan Chang Get the fancy comaro for cheap hp, but power isn't everything. The handling is very poor, even when driving in a straight line cause it's poorly engineered and unrefined with too much power to handle. That is the difference. You have to be a highly skilled professional to drive that shit fast or kiss your butt goodbye. Don't be fooled by bias american journalists, whom seem to always over look the poor quality of american cars and their poor quality interiors. American cars are the crappiest, cheapest and most poorly built cars you can get. You get what you pay for, that is a fact.
yeah but the WRX is like 28k, not my choice of car but that thing handles like a beast and keeps up with Audi S4's easily. Awd, one of the best 5 speeds on the market, as fast to 60 as legitimate sports cars, and CHEAP. I've raced several in my G37 and were neck to neck the entire time. So it's not always about the money either. I personally don't like camaros but the mustangs are pretty good sports cars for the money. 35k gets you a 5.0 with independent suspension, a nice manual, decent interior, and a whole lot of fun. I don't put that much bias on where the car comes from as much as how the car actually drives.
That being said, I wouldn't trade my G for the world. damn that thing is nice. and fast too
Later they discovered that one of the rear wheels on the corvette was out of alignment. That is why it lost.
@@Well_be_right_back really? because the laptimes are:
Corvette C7 Z06: 1:25:00
Nissan GTR Nismo: 1:25:7
@@Well_be_right_back
The Nismo isn't beating a Z06
On Track. Stop it. It was 3
Seconds slower at Laguna Seca
Source
This video was launched in February 2015 and the Z06's lap at Laguna Seca in Best Drivers Car was launched in September, and that was when they discovered the overheating issue with the Z06.
I assume the reason why this was so slow, is because of overheating, that alongside the wheel out of alignment could explain that big gap with the GT-R
@WindyCity1992 yeah that " driver" was sure whining alot for a track car driver
Why bring the manual 7spd z06? They should have brought the z06 8spd auto with the same z07 package and I think it would have been a different story.
Kris Perez The GTR is extremely fast on Big Willow, the 8 Spd likely wouldn't have made that much of a difference. However the Z06 is already faster around VIR and will probably be quicker at Laguna Seca as well. It really depends what track you're on with these cars as they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
***** it's the supercharger as the main problem. Drop the crap 1.7 supercharger and put the old Zr1s supercharger. You'll see this run much faster.
***** umm no lol that would be the hellcats
I don't think it has anything to do with it's transmission. The c6 Z06(in some cases) as well as the the Zr1 have had no problems beating the GTR on a track in the past (yes, I know it wasn't a Nismo) with a manual, so the transmission isn't the culprit. It's gotta be the ECU and heat soak problem it's been having combined with the heap of downforce it's aero package creates that hinders its acceleration. Because to go around the figure 8 in 22.3 sec compared to the Nismo's 23.1 and be slower by 1.5 secs around a track, it doesn't add up. Wouldn't you agree?
the supercharger is heat soaking the engine. too much RPM = more heat
at the Nürburgring
GTR 7:08.68
Corvette ZR1 7:19.63
+john martin The 2015 Z06 is not the ZR1. Why bring up the ZR1?
+Steve C benificks of a doubt for the corvette fanboys
john martin fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html
Now the 2015 Z06 shows to be superior on this track time. :O
Chevy is late to the game of track time cars. They were mainly focused on cheap muscle cars for decades. It's only the last 10 years did they start to take it seriously. They've improved quite a bit. I'd not buy the Corvette if forced to spend $100k on a sportscar, but still respect it for its performance for that price.
+Steve C yes the corvette is a great performance car
+Jaafar Farhan Where's the shitvette ring time. GM wont release the time because it wasn't faster than the NISMO. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The shitvette is an overheating pos GM JUNKER. NISMO still faster than shitvette. GM can't prove they are faster. GM too embarrassed to release the time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And stop crying about the N-ATTACK. It's an official recorded time. Nothing you say will change that hater. Too bad, you mad, soooooooo sad.
It all comes down to engineering physics... GTR is physics on wheels.
Incertus Veritas Actually it comes down to the fact that the Z06's rear alignment was off. After they fixed it they took the Z06 out again and it beat the GT-R's time. Of course.
Vernon Price Um no it didn't, perhaps you should watch the video again buddy...
Arun Chinna Meyyappan You're not very good at reading, are you? I'll quote what I said again, just for you. This time read it.
"Actually it comes down to the fact that the Z06's rear alignment was off. After they fixed it they took the Z06 out again and it beat the GT-R's time. Of course."
Read much?
Arun Chinna Meyyappan The video was made way before things squared out. Motortrend admitted that the Z06 ran the lap with a misaligned rear axle. They reran it with the proper alignment as suggested in the user's manual and the Z06 handily beat the GT-R.
You mean computer on wheels??
The Z06 looks and sounds way better than the GTR IMO! Being a Brit, I'm not usually a fan of either US or Japanese cars styling wise. But you Americans are starting to put the wind up the Europeans with cars as good as this Camaro and the Mental Mustang GT350! Fantastic!
The GTR is obviously better looking
+Bruno Lima meh, not as good as the gtr 34
like European car? corvette 2015 came with factory issue, motortrend explain that "the best driver car 2015". driving z06 you could lose the control easily, suspention are not good. what are you talking about? European and Japanese cars are more durable and not easily damaged as American.
GT-R doesn't even look close to as good. Funky Japanese styling. The Z06 is one of the best looking cars on the planet.
no I think the GT-R is better and it won so that means the GT-R is better
I may get bashed for this (and probably will anyway, because Internet...), but ANY comparison to the Porsche 918, in any category, is a win in my book. That alone puts it in a category reserved for cars way above its price point. GM did a great job on this car, and anyone who inks otherwise is biased from the beginning and their opinion is tainted to begin with. Name a car that does what this car does (without aftermarket modification) for the same price. there's maybe a handful, if that.
thinks*
you cant talk about VIR here
lol these Fanboys hate the Z06
+Joseph Hudson
twat*
+Joseph Hudson As good as the GTR? No. BUT it is an extremely nice car and the price point makes it even better. The Vette is wonderful just not up to par with a GTR
+iMRCuddles
you sound ridiculous
you dont know much about cars
the 2015 Z06 beat the Nismo at V.I.R by 8seconds
2.41.3 vs Nismo 2.49.4
the 2015 Z06 beat the 918 by 1.32 seconds overall
lets remember at Laguna Seca the Nismo was 15th far behind the 2012 Zr1 and Z06 , the Viper GTS and so many
If money wasn't a problem, I'd take both.
Mark Batarina id take 5 of both
Mark Batarina Exactly! a person who loves cars, wont side with one. but will love both hahah...
***** Please explain more. Did you read the book? Did you actually apply the "secret" and get results?
If money wasn't a problem, nothing would be a problem!
WitherTux LOL yes indeed.
They don't call it Godzilla for nothing
The vette all day imo
The vett it may be more modern and looks more sexy but the gtr won every race drag/track it's simply faster
I don't care about the racing at all looking at the vette is like having orgasm over and over
You don't care about the racing? Lol
Well yeah I agree the vett is more sexy
the smiles the vette brought to their faces says it all.
corvette looks better...nissan perform better..tough choice..both are super nice
Fast Furious I disagree. It's a really unfair match up. The base model GT-R is 101k which would have been a way better choice to compare against a 105k corvette. The base model GT-R would have been way more under powered and would not have beat the corvette. But that's just my opinion if we're talking about performance.
+Michael Francisco I disagree, the zo6 is the top of the line corvette and the Nismo is the best GT-R. Price doesn't matter in this video.
Aye, it's beast Jones! Waddup , i didn't 'to know you were into cars too ...'
+Wildly Coyote it's been said a lot, but there was an issue with the corvette, and after alignment it beat the nismo by a few tenths of a second. so it's cheaper AND faster. and sexier. and sounds better. and isn't covered on as much fanboy drool.
***** Meh I disagree, the Nismo is far more superior
I'm a Vette man, and I give the head to head victory to tge GTR. People need to stop being fanboys. BUT, the margin is so narrow, it comes down to preference. I'll also say this, the Z06's gears are taller, so a simple gear change would leave the GTR in the dust, but even then, you'd have to be a really great driver and not make ANY mistakes, as the GTR can be driven by grandma and beat the Z06 with a novice behind the wheel. You cannot say which is truly better. It all comes down to preference. Give me 1/4 million $ to spend on a car, and I'd have one of each. These are BOTH winners. If you REALKT wanna be anal, and include orice, of course the Z06 wins, as a change in gear ratio would be marginal at best, so you really can't judge it by speed, but in an average race, my $ is on the GTR. In a modified race with experienced drivers, I'll take the Z06. My prefetence? I'd take the Z28 with hp and torque upgrades over both, then you'd have both cars fused into 1, and there'd be no need to have both. Give me $100 grand, Z28 ftw. Spank em both.
plexoer I agree with you, but if price usn't a factor, or if you just judge it car vs car, my money in a bet goes to the GTR. I'd buy a Z28, pump 1000 horses out of it, and slaughter them both and have change left over to put on a gas card. No replacement for displacement.
plexoer and now the z06 has faster head to head track times on 2 tracks against the nismo to where the nismo only has 0 :(
TheAlienilluminati The Vette is a full 2 seconds faster. Go to the Motor Trend site and read the retraction.
jnrandall I understand that and I'm not debating that. What I'm saying is, the Z28 has more potential, and with a few thousand dollars added, and/or a couple minor adjustments, the Z28 would walk away from the Vette, and there's nothing that could be done to change that outcome. There's no replacement for displacement. The Z28 having a much larger displacement leaves more room to play with. If the Z28 motor can handle twin turbos or a supercharger, no contest. Period. Hell, all you'd have to do is change the gearing to be honest! And your kids can film it from the back seat.
TheAlienilluminati does z06 has nurburgring time? I wouldn't say these cars are "close" on a racing track.
whoa, that corvette was yellow. everyone knows they go faster when they're red. wtf. do over.
Jeffrey Ducharme actually, a black corvette will go faster ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Lol
Peter Griffin You have probably neither watched futurerama, or played any of the war hammer games.
Only if Char Aznable drives the Red Corvette.
Red FTW!
from the beginning of this video i knew theres something wrong with the vette's spoiler, the angle of attack doesn't look bout right, but I'd still take the corvette any day.
+YaBoiScoots sources ?
+Randy Tyler don't you wish haha. No need to lie here,there's a reason the corvette which is better than the Camaro(although I honestly like the Camaro more and it was my first dream car,then I saw the GTR and now the GTR is my dream car) was chosen to face the GTR. After the corvette lost,do you really think anyone would believe your base model Camaro could beat a GTR?
I STILL TAKE THE GTR, Better to performance, more representative, the Name GTR sound glorious. The best track car on the world. 0-60 2.9 sec ufff adrenaline pure.
yocaha1 its the best track car only on your xbox, and what the fuck a "more representative" car is ? we've just conquered that corvette got better time what are you still arguing about ?
hahahahahaha!!!, you sound as children. Don't know about cars.. your answer its Xbox and BMW fan. hahaa without fundament.
Well, the GT-R is a beast coming out off the corners with that AWD for sure. Guess the Z06's later braking advantage wasn't enough to make up the difference. Plus, the GT-R has that slick dual clutch that clicks off lightning fast shifts. Was really hoping they would test a Z06 with the 8-speed auto as it is supposed to be quicker around a track than the manual. Might have been closer. Still, I would take the Z06 over the GT-R. If you want comfort and a car that almost drives itself around the track, then GT-R. If you want excitement and a car that challenges you to become better driver, then Z06, IMO.
This is the most even handed comment on this video! Congrats!
The auto Z06 is not faster than the manual. Why do you think GM keeps sending the manual car to the track events? The auto shifts faster, but robs more power and heats up faster.
Callsign Vega Well, I did say "supposed to be quicker". The media has been saying the auto is the quicker way around a track. It could be that short supply of the automatic version is the reason why you see manuals being supplied to testers. Heard at least one reviewer say they wished they could have got an auto for testing. I do know that in a timed event, such as quarter mile or track, you lose time due to manually shifting gears. You can easily lose more than half a second just in a quarter mile and that adds up on a long track.
Callsign Vega or havn't been built yet. the auto will almost undoubtedly be faster.
Callsign Vega
They've already come out and said that the auto is faster.
Hennessy Venom GT: 6 speed manual
Challenger Hellcat: 6 speed manual
SRT Viper: 6 speed manual
Corvette Z06: 7 speed manual
Mustang gt500: 6 speed manual
Nissan GTR: ONLY COMES WITH FLOPPY PADDLES
USA USA USA USA
oh and if anyone buys a sports car "because it's faster with paddles", go fuck yourself.
It's faster with paddles.
You probably drive a Toyota Prius auto
Don't bash what another person enjoys to make yourself look like a badass on RUclips lol
Yeah & the one Japanese car here is faster. You can throw out as many names as you want...this is about a Nissan & a Corvette & the Nissan won. So you can go fuck yourself with your imaginary comparisons cause nobody cares about those.
The Nissan won...get over it.
the new cayman gt4 comes with a manual. Thats going to be special
Carlos, if you don't think the Z06 is the better looking of the two, I don't think I can trust your taste anymore :P
Really the Z06 seems like a children's car I can see a smiley face there, with a big mouth, a nose and 2 eyes the leds on the lights even make it worst. It looks like the movie "Cars" especially the red protagonist.
GTR looks more professional, slim, serious, powerful and it's harder to see a face.
Woo Cheol Shin - I object! If you don't "understand" (which really means AGREE), you're probably not British or brainwashed by Top Gear. I think it's ridiculous that Aston Martin and Jaguar should be synonymous with pretty and classy. IMO, the new XE looks terrible. Aston Martin is always described by the Brits as "old school" but really it's just old.
James Filosa LOL, yes it does. It's not just the Britons who like Aston and Jag designs. It's pretty unanimous world-wide, spare the children and heavily biased car enthusiasts.
mugdays Oh, come on, it's just a youtube comment. Having name-called, I do believe "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Woo Cheol Shin - If it's unanimous worldwide, why aren't Aston and Jag selling more cars? It's because the world prefers Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini for that kind of money.
First episode i ever saw of head 2 head. Glad its still here :)
Which one would you guys take? I'd take the Z06.
Z06. Cheaper and looks better inside and out. I'd get it without the Aero pack too. It looks better with a less defined spoiler and splitter.
Porsche 911 Turbo S
NikoBell12 Have to agree. However, I'd get a cheaper version.
Sp3tsn4z HD That thing is more expensive than the GTR!
So?
While the GTR is a good car it has zero appeal to me.
Z06 is amazing, if only the made them in right hand drive and sold them in UK
'Zero appeal' 0-60 in 2.9sec is not appealing? Even people not into cars would find that exhilarating.
ProductofNZ Do you know how a normal commuter car drives? You more guide that car than actually drive it. Just use the steering and pedals to tell it where to go and it does the rest for you.
Yeah, the GTR feels exactly like that, just with massive numbers. It's almost a disgrace to cars and driving how it gets those numbers by relegating the driver to that fleshy bit that tells the car where the track is. Dumb and Dumber could drive this car around a track.
Yeah, that holds zero appeal to me. Then again, I'm not some twit that focuses only on numbers out of the brochure.
Samniss Arandeen Don't know about that. I own one and it's the best daily driver I owned. I owned a C5 and C6 Z06 before this car as well and also owned a Supra.
The thing I think is awesome is how people who never owned the car talk shit about the experience and don't even know how it is to drive the car every day. Well I can tell you it's awesome.
TheHitman™ It's probably so good at being a daily driver because its performance driving is just like driving a commuter car, only faster. I nailed one at Tail of the Dragon and never cracked a goddamn smile, because the car numbed the experience down so much it felt like driving to work. Mind you, this is with all the drivers' aids turned *off*.
ProductofNZ the zo6 does that too.
I wanna see the Z06 with the automatic transmission rather than the manual, pretty sure it would be a closer lap times to the GTR.
I think on Willow it wouldn't matter that much, just like Randy says it doesn't slow it down that much. On the 0-60 times however, you're right.
Yes man I really wish they would stop putting manuals against automatics. They did they same thing with the ZL1 Camaro when it went up against the Hellcat. I really don't get it.
Julius Hopkins Sometimes I think it just comes down to the cars available when they are tested. Maybe they didn't have the auto available?
wade18 What you said makes sense however if that really is the case then they should wait until they can match them both up so the both cars can have a fighting chance. Honestly I had already predicted that the GTR would win and I was right. They can't continue to have old school technology going up against new-age technology.
Julius Hopkins I agree with you there. I thought the Z06 would win for sure, but I was pleasantly surprised. Great video
How did you get the Z06 Supercharger whine? I have never heard that ever. And I own one.
The camera and microphone were outside of the car.
@@Tubes12AX7k Yes, but even on the outside, I don't hear the whine. Chevy has masked it. It doesn't even always have the whine in your video. Just some times.
Should've used the automatic Z06, does 0-60mph in 2.95 seconds
+Abubaker Alzuaree Pure sports car enthusiasts will get the manual gearbox, doesn't matter is it's faster or not
+Rich Homie Tom doesn't the covette do 0-60 in 1 gear? what does a gearbox have to do with it?
that is the corvette zr1
that is the corvette zr1
+Parnveer Bining
The Corvette in this video is a C7 Z06, which is available with either a 7-speed manual or 8-speed auto. There is no C7 ZR1. The ZR1 was the top dog of the last generation (C6) Corvette line which ended production with the 2013 model year.
Both are bad ass cars but I'll pick the corvette because it looks better and it's manual :D
i,ll
You know that paddle shifting it's not manual, and second there's no way muscle cars have paddle shifters. And besides the gtr it's a 6 speed semi automatic car, in other words, it's like half automatic and half manual. All you do in a gtr it's press the gas pedal and paddle shift next gear up, but you don't have the clutch pedal which in this case makes the gtr boring. But don't get all butt hurt, just because I prefer and choose the corvette over the gtr. You must understand that manual cars are fun to drive and there's no way an automatic or semi automatic car will replace the gift.
+Gilberto Rios The GTR is too boring to drive basically! The comp drives the whole car for you! Manuals are very much more fun to drive on the track. Automatics however tho are better in a drag race, especially with how advanced they are nowadays! No dis to the manual, manual is better for track, auto is better for drag.
Prem Sawari spaceship? the gtr is all technology and youre calling the vette a spaceship? lol
Prem Sawari gtr has 600 and vette has 650, 50 isnt alot and chevy sports cars are performance car. and its american v8 its supposed to be loud lmao.
If you had the Corvette in automatic transmission, it would have been much faster through the 0-60 test and quarter mile test. Unfair advantage to the GT-R.
I was just about to say that.
agree
if the gtr had better tires it would be even faster.... if if...
they already did a 0 to 60 test with the z06 in auto and it still lost to the nismo gtr,s 0 to 60 time.
catless exhaust no shit, the gtr is 4wd
Not even a comparison. And I actually like the GT-R. The Corvette is just better in the real world, but the the tuner GT-Rs are no joke.
I do agree. I have seen some crazy Z06/ZR1 builds but not as common. I have a C7 Z06 and I absolutely love how it is stock and I think that may be why
The gtr is the better car
@@StanMarshimportskillUSjunksaid no one ....ever
Great to hear Randy talking through the laps! More please.
We love Randy's real-time narration, too. More to come.
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too bad yall cant actually bring the auto corvette and pick the right aero package for the right track. motor trend you disappoint me everytime i get my hopes up. just when i think a fair comparison is here you lobsided it for the gtr. the gtr does 11.0 and the z06 does 11.4? Okay you really think i am going to believe that garbage? if you tested the auto i guarantee you its going to be 10.9 - 11.1 not 11.4 thats a time for a much slower car. z06 has 650hp more torque, lighter weight,stickier tires,better brakes, with the auto i expect a tie or close to it. i respect the gtr and its time 100 pct. what i dont respect is bringing a half ass car to a comparison that has so much heated arguements in it. the GTR fanboys are retarded as ever and corvette fans have no right answers. all we have are questions even motor trend testers expect the vette to win on the track. so how many things were broken on that car in the video? where is the auto 8 speed? did motor trend use a pre-production car for press? plus the ecu that whole thing is too much un-reliable stuff for 1 video. vette is better hands down. noone cares about this video but GTR fanboys.
thisguy177 Wow...someone is obviously biased.
thisguy177 Dude you know very little about cars.. Yes on paper the Vet appears like the clear winner, but paper specs don't always bare full fruit when the wheels hit the road. I'm sure the vet could be tuned to get more performance out of it on that particular track, but the goal of this video was to bring 2 factory tuned cars and see what they can do.. I don't see any problems with how they tested these cars.
Uncle Deez
Everyone who comments here is BIASED to some degree. Some people display more objectivity than others, however, and thisguy177 is just having problems reconciling bullshit. The comparison was botched....period! We all know that even tenths of a second are a lifetime in racing, yet a manually shifted car is pitted against an advanced shifting automatic! and then considered a contest on even footing, when the makers of the manually shifted one ALSO make what may be an even quicker shifting auto? His frustration is very well understood by me. I mean God damn, politics even has sway here?
It's pathetic that the Z06 needs a 6.2L supercharged V8 to make 650hp where as the GTR makes 600hp with just a 3.8L V6 turbo
How exactly do hp/l ratio's matter? It would be great if I could get just one noob, JUST ONE, to come up with a no-nonsense legit answer. Will you be the first, noob?
yet the bigger engine makes more power/torque
gets better gas mileage
is smaller and lighter
and makes fewer C02 emissions.
the z06 engine is smaller, lighter, and more understressed (low hp/L) so it'll last longer. plus, it delivers instant torque and sounds amazing (unlike a stupid little 6 cyl with turbos)
Teddy Shinozuka 100k warranty.
Gm doesn't want to replace engines
It just goes to show how America is way behind with engineering...7.0l ?..pffff
What can u expect?.. Gtr is Gtr afterall.. It eats exotics and muscles in a race track alive..
How dumb are you?
+Mykel Boy Nah... A Viper ACR would piss on your beloved GTR very quick. Besides, they tested the two cars again and the Corvette won... What do you expect? Of course the Vette hat to win.
+ElPatriotaLX and most importantly, not a single one of you will ever earn enough to just rent any of these vehicles ;D
***** Funny you say that, I have 2015 2015 Cayman S... Which indeed it is cheaper than these two... Yet, I love my little car, it just a pain in the ass when family comes to visit. Can't take them anywhere.
+Coleftw the gtr nismo is actually the fastest accelerating production car in the world. 0-60 and 0-100 is only beaten by the bugatti. which has 10 more cylinders.... and costs .85 million more
I like the GTR. But it's fanboys fucking ruin it for me.
I know 😂😂
Josh Johnson same
And why do you let fanboys affect you? That's dumb.
AltezzaSXE10 because they are cunts, and you can throw a stick in any direction and they are bound to complain about shit they can't own.
I'd take a GTR over a Corvette anyday! With AWD the GTR is an all year round supercar with 4 seats, more practicality, and better fuel economy than Corvette while the 650hp Corvette has too much power going only to the rear wheels, just search Corvette Crash Compilation and you'll see the RWD Corvette is extremely easy to spun out and crash like the Carrera GT did to Paul Walker, 400hp is the maximum I would want in an RWD car, 650hp would be fatal, any car over 400hp should be AWD, just to keep the power controllable and be responsible with that much power.
Mclaran f1, p1 and a long list of supers rwd.
Michael Montgomery Funnily enough, said cars have weight on the rear wheels as they're MR, not FR like Z06.. Hence why they can handle more power.
Good luck driving a GTR in the snow. Just because it has AWD doesn't discount the wide and track oriented tires. Also the Corvette gets better fuel economy at 30mpg highway. Paul Walker didn't crash because he was driving a RWD car and spun out either, it was because he was going 100mph on a public road and drove off the road. Finally, just because there's video compilations of a specific kind of car crashing doesn't mean its uncontrolable, if they made as many GTRs as they did Vettes, there'd be a compilation of them crashing too.
you guys love the awd systems but what you need to know fastest lap put downs are from rwd cars and thats f1
As I owned a Gtr, I totally agree with you but one thing, Gtr is not better fuel economy than Corvette at all =)
They retested the Z06 and found that it was faster around the track then the NISMO. This particular Z06 in the video had the rear alignment severely out of wack causing it to be slower.
wasn't this video deleted? when did they bring it back?
NEVER count a GTR out! GTR can compete with super cars 3 times its price! Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever expected a NISSAN to be considered a SUPERCAR! RESPECT the GTR!
I REALLY love THE way you WROTE this COMMENT
i checked and GTRs are more expensive than corvettes :)
The GTR actually lost as far as track times go.
+hernzz_TM that's the biggest piece of shit ever!
Next to you!
The big question is, which car was more fun to drive? Times don't matter if you're not having fun.
Exactly, I'm not a big fan of either car but that's why I'd choose the corvette out of the two.
Based on what Randy said towards the end, the Z06 would be more fun to drive because the GTR does everything all too well by itself.
Lolman240 So odd when people say a car will do things by itself. The GTR won't do anything "by itself". It's still a car, which means it requires driver inputs for throttle, brake and steering (among other things). It's not automated or self-propelled. It isn't a shuttle craft on star trek. Have you driven one? It's absolutely exhilarating and it does push you to become a better driver. Perhaps you meant to say the z06 is more visceral? That, I would agree with.
xebek Oh, it is a bit of an exaggeration. It's not the RS7 with autonomous driving. The opinion is not of my own but rather of Motor Trend's. They stated in previous comparisons/reviews of the GT-R that it is less involving compared to others such as this Z06. That is what I meant.
Lolman240 I know, and I was being a bit of a pedantic dick. I think that some people get the impression that the GTR takes little to no skill and that it's utterly boring as a result. You know how automotive journalists tend to exaggerate, possibly giving the public an inaccurate perception.
That z06 looks and sounds so beautiful .
The only reason randy says the corvette is hard to manage is because he's driving it at 100% of what it can do. I've ridden in a non z07 z06 on the track. It was my instructors car. No mods, completely stock and it ripped your face off in turns and braking. Never got side ways and I didn't knownyou could get on throttle that soon coming out of a corner with that car. It amazed me to be honest. For everyday people c7 z06 is not hard to control at all. I love that car.
It had alignment and stability control issues, that's why it was a riot
@aaronvector4750 I know it had that, but I've heard him say that before and a lot of drivers have said it about corvettes. What I've found is that driving it at 100% is harder, not how a majority of regular people on the track would drive it.
They need to put in the description that they retested after fixing the alignment and the vette got a 1:25, but whatever. Gtr fanboys everywhere are using this video now as proof that there car is faster even though it's wrong. Thanks motor trend.
They also added a different suspension calibration that does not come on the stock car.
its funny that they tried so hard to get the corvette faster. Re-align the GTR suspension and start swapping areo around and I bet you could get better times haha.
1:25:?? lol
Well maybe because it probably is without the fancy new technology the Corvette has and all of its other upgrades .
Delight Galore The GTR is still the better car and will be my next car after I blow My BMW or 300zx. I love Chevy and I love corvettes but they are lighter, make more power and should destroy the GTR on paper. But the magic of Godzilla always pulls through. Lets revisit this subject when the R36 lands. The R35 has been out for almost a decade now.
Wait so the z/28 was able to beat out the nismo gtr in best drivers car but the z06 z07 doesnt? does that mean that the z/28 camaro is a better all around car than the z06? doesn't seem to add up to me
well it is a 7.0L Camaro woah
drivers car, cos they loved that a huge car was so fun and could perform so well. Performance wise not close to the GTR or the Z06, I think the zo6 would be a more enjoyable car to drive just not as quick as the GTR..... sorry
Well it's called "Best Driver's Car" not "Fastest Track Car"
Motor Trend BIAS. Did you expect anything else? They tried to eek out the win for the Vette on this "controversial" comparison as Carlos put it. LOL
The z28 didn't go against the nismo though..
Your comparing a 80,000 $ corvette vs 150,000 nismo .. Can't wait for the next gen zr1 😀😀😀
Dude if u didnt watch the vid dont say dumb shits like that lol. Vett 100+ gtr 150+ such a dummy
It's was originally 100,000 but I would still get the Nismo no matter what Bc it's very unique I want to drive a car that is not seen everyday Bc I always see vettes and muscle and every Porsche xD
+George Rojas I mean with the Z06 being S/C what the hell can they do with the Zr1.... I Guess maybe make it lighter and S/C I guess.
what u sad have the viper and gtr crying
+George Rojas i read that zr1 wasn't planned
Fianlly the gtr smacked that butt of the Z06 !
no shame in losing the the nismo. its a 170,000 car with the same options they had on the vette.
plus this GTR resembles next to nothing from the 1st one back in 2007. this is completely reworked from the engine internals to the shock set up to the chassis rigidity. other than interior or exterior its completely different.
justin bouche
just shut the fuck up... excuses excuses -_-
Antis PL ? i didnt give any...
Antis PL
$50K could buy a Porsche Cayman, and $50K is not worth 1.5 seconds...
Now, please refrain from being rude to your fellow petrol heads.
yes you did you said its the nismo edition
Question: does the Z06 have paddles there even though it's a manual?
Yes. The paddles activate the rev match feature.
This sheds some light on the Nurburgring crash/ lap time delay situation. The car is a handful when pushed to the limit.
I just thinking that when I show the video. It appears the aero is used to try to tame it. On the limit the aero doesn't work at lower speeds. GM should've delayed the car from being released. They know Randy will tell all that's not working in handling.
GTR Nismo down fifty hp but weighs 350 lb more yet is almost 50k more expensive? Fuck yeah america
And you wonder why you yanks get laughed at!! You think everything evolves around America! The GTR is prob way more expensive over there......why? Due to them importing it maybe? It's like me saying that in the UK or Australia the Corvette is way over priced compared to it's performance! We'll it would be due to import prices! The only place the Corvette will be remotely successful is the U.S......
+Modelo Super yeah in the uk you can get a gtr form 40k my uncle got a black edition for 47k love to own it soon but until then im stuck with a 2004 civic haha
+Grzesiek S
the Nismo lost the retest
1.25.00 vs 1.25.70
Also the 2016 ACR is top dog
it has broken 13 Lap Records
the Nismo is far behind it
do some research .
the Z06 is a lot faster .
look up all the lap times
+Grzesiek S Ikr, and corvette fans gets ever salty about that fact, a v8 can't overcome v6, with 50 more horse and hundreds more torque, almost 400pounds lighter and 2 seats.. Can't even catch the GTR, and some people still talking trash omfg... I will call it a tie if it only seconds faster than a GTR.
Ai
Do you know anything ???
The final time was 1.25.00 here
At Laguna Seca it was a blowout
Nismo - 1.35.51 vs Z06 - 1.30.60
Virginia International
Nismo - 2.49.4 vs Z06 - 2.41.3
It destroyed the Nismo
Go look it up before talking stupid
You kids ruin the car culture with this
Not surprised for 2 reasons. 1 the nissan has had years to improve upon the gtr and 2 it has a great awd system. Tell you what, put the optional ceramic brakes and some cup 2 tires and the gtr would be even faster. Doesn't. Matter how much fun FR cars are they're Going to struggle with corner exit grip in high hp applications. I can just imagine how much the gtr fandbois are celebrating now lol. Good job with the video. I enjoyed it but personally would have been surprised if there was any other result.
for me 2 sec isn't enough to justify that 50k lol am i sein something here
And to thibk the gtr was the bargain a few years ago...
***** After ten laps, those 2 seconds turn into 20 seconds...
***** No it doesn't. it has runflats.
***** The normal GT-R has "performance tires" but they're pretty far from being a track oriented tire like the Cup 2. The Dunlop SP Sport Max GT600 DSST CTT is more geared towards durability than outright grip. This Nismo has the same tire with less treads.
Love watching this again, re-watch it and watching it again lol So much fun to see how Carlo underestimates the GT-R then shocked by its performance at the end lol
One little tips, the 1,720 kg GT-R nismo won't out-accelerate a 1,600 kg Z06 with 50 horsepower less and 170 lb/ft torque less... Use some logic man. Close gear ratio and aerodynamic isn't everything... The reason GT-R nismo accelerates quicker is because the setup of the car allows the driver to hit the gas sooner than the Corvette. As Randy mentioned, "the car rotates at corner exit". That's because ATTESA ET-S is 100% RWD, allowing throttle steer to gain turning angle during under-steer while the front will receive right amount of power once the rear starting to lose effective amount of both lateral and longitudinal grip. In other word, the sooner he hits the gas, more balance he'll gain from the setup. And that is how the nismo "out-accelerated" the Z06. Simple as that.
The ATTESA is rear-biased all-wheel drive system... the rear always have power, getting 50-100% (i think its 70 - 100, maybe a little too high on the 50) of engine power depending on the driving conditions with its Electronic Torque Split. When the sensors need the front, up to 50% (again, maybe a little too high. probably 30) of torque can be sent to the front wheels.
I think all GTRs including skyline GTRs are like that. Its only 100% when you are not pushing it or on dry pavement meaning you probably never feel the full 100% rear at the track unless the sensors see or feel nothing that it needs 30% to the front.
Whats impressive about the weight of the GTR is that it has more drivetrain parts than the Vette, yet it only weighs 120KGs more
(Engine sends power to a gearbox at the back that weighs about half the weight of its engine. Gearbox sends that power back to the front with another shaft to a diff somewhere under the engine.)
Also the Box is clever... it is an automated manual... not a full automatic. 2 wet computer controlled clutches which are simutaneously working together. 1 controls the odd gears and the other the even gears so before you even shift into second, the gears is already pre-shifted by the second clutch and the 1st clutch disangages 1st and so on.
With the all-wheel drive system, the weight and the engine, the car is nearly perfectly-balanced with good handling and grip so that the driver feels confident and in full control at all times.
The GTR was built with weight in mind thats why they wont get rid of it nomatter how much you ask.
It has almost nothing going on on the outside and looks like a brick because its weight is its downforce. A car that weighs a lot, handles and in the hands of inexperienced drivers they need that weight which is why you will probably reach the GTR's lap than you would in the Vette.
It reminds me mostly of the failed LMP1-H class Nissan GTR LM Nismo in the sense that it has no aero trickery like the class leaders on the outside but managed to record about the same top speed with 5 gears and a disabled hybrid system... (Looking at the size of that things gearbox, it was lugging around weight.)
The thing weighs like an SUV but has shared a 0-60 with hypercars 4-10x its price with less than 1/2 their horsepower and a stock one once did a 10.8 1/4
The GTR should be worth more than it is even after the price of the Nismo... I recon it was way underpriced when it debuted and the current price should have been what it was worth but its a NIssan. I think Nissan did well by taking the GTR package for the RWD skyline and making it into its own product... the GTR
But other than that, I agree with most of what you said on the last and half of second last sentence.
A couple seconds faster on a race track, driver by a race car driver isn't enough to make me spend 40+ grand more on a car. Z06 please.
+Quenton Millstid and then you go off a cliff
+Quenton Millstid you can sit 4 people in the gt-r
+kornofilo I'd use the extra 40 k to buy a mini van if it's place I'm looking for and let the corvette handle the business
+Akshay Datla E
+kornofilo haha noooo have you not seen the back seat it touches the back of the front seat you would have to be a quadriplegic to sit in the backseat of a gtr
I love the Z06 but there is something seriously wrong with this car. On the straights it is slower in acc. The spoiler on the back is making it slower. Top speed has been cut. It over heats quick. They are struggling to get a ring time because i feel its slower than the old Z06/Z07 package. This car is fighting it's own self. This car could be a big flop for GM and it is there fault. This car has lost to so many cars on RUclips. Get the last Z06 and Zr1 do a comparison to this. It might Lose.
Let's say this baby has some issues. The dyno reading really show what is wrong with Z06. Torque spikes fairly quickly. Leaving nothing on the top end. You have say 600+hp till 130.After such speed heat soak,drag and ecu cuts timing.
The highway pulls back December were a sign of things to come.
GM claims the Ring lap was rained out. Throw in some race like fuel. Probably could get a great Ring time.
Any less long back strait will kill this car top speed.
We have to see what this CTS-V will do. It has similar engine but much better cooling management then Z06.
Jeffrey Williams it's the computer.
it pulls timing to keep the engine alive.
with the 100K warranties chevy has to keep the engine going.
tuners said it pulls like 10 degrees[that's like 100hp loss]
Daniel The Alpha Wolf
No, there isn't dry sump on CTS-V. Should interesting to see if it can hold up.
Sanic
That's about right on the number side.Torque takes a similar hit too.
Thor22 The 'Ring is closed now but the Z06 is already quicker than the ZR1 on VIR.
blog.caranddriver.com/watch-the-2015-corvette-z06-absolutely-destroy-virginia-international-raceway/
Although I hope GM will tune the ECU differently and back down on the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty so the LT4 won't be strangled.
LOL GTR the underdog? 90k car vs 150k car.
Price dnt matter because its not the price that’s the problem. It doesn’t cost Chevy 60K to add more downforce. Notice the ZR1 has a huge wing and front pieces for downforce. Yet it’s still not a great drivers car everybody is saying the chassis feels like it’s to much power and hard to drive. Front engine rear drive with no advanced aero, 650-700 pounds of torque. That’s going to be tough to drive. Rather get a 812 super fast and pay the extra 200K
@@bigjdm5460 Yeah, just pony up the extra 200k.
Adam Charles oh trust me I will.
@@bigjdm5460 I trust ya.
Adam Charles I drive a 19 Q50 Silversport not a honda
thats what tuning is all about. you dial each aspect of the car to get the best time. even badge on some car that you remove from the grill make it have higher speed or accelerate faster on top speed. this is why when manufacture make a higher end model it cost so much more but the component barely changes. the cost goes to the R&D and in turn, that makes the cost go up more and not adding more HP or component.
Lol a V6 again beats a huge shit motor 😂😂😂
WeKnowTheTruth2012 The Vette is a full 2 seconds faster. Go to the Motor Trend site and read the retraction.
1) the gtr has the bigger motor...put them side by side and you'll laugh your ass off at how much smaller the v8 will be. 2) the z06 in the video had an alignment issue. read motor trends article about it, the realigned the car and it ran a better time than the gtr
gtr loses to another corvette, as usual
jnrandall yeah put it kn after the fact. Remake the video and give the truth. Thats why I dont pay attention to what they say cause its flavorable to who they want to get it. Well I guess you can do that when you own the mag.
I want to see 2015 NSX and Civic Type R and more ahead the Toyota FT-1 (Probably Supra) :D
Dylan Sumski nope , GTR owns them all , them stupid V8's aint worth the fucking pnny a stage 2 gtr and a bit of tune could beat a 2015MCLaren P1 watch the vid in youtube
Motor Trend actually admitted the gtr is a better car than a corvette? Well fuck me sideways. I'm off to grow a mullet and marry my sister.
yep GM trent after not beliving and checking it 3 times admits it
o how chevy fans will howl tonight
*****
They are howling already. Hey want a shot of moonshine before i make love to my sister wife? Yeeehaw
***** no thanks wher i from we dont rly drink that kind of soft drinks we drink 90% spirit with sea water
Bahamuttiamat if I had to choose between the corvette and the gtr, I'd pick the gtr. If I had to choose between a 70 charger with 900hp and a gtr, I'd be with the charger all day!!!! 😂😂😂
I drive GTR Nismo, this is the best supercars, easy to drive it on track !
+Cars Passion of course it is... the computer does half the thinking for you.
Yes of course ;-)
+Ameretsu Shidori more like all of it
+Cars Passion not a supercar, yet
jordan dai it won't become a supercar if it still looks like a 350z
So which video shows the Z06 beating this record? Just watched their Vette Grand Sport vs Porsche video, and it shows the 2015 Z06 as the fastest car they've tested at Willow Springs. It got an even 1:25:00.
There wasn't a video. After this test/video..GM checked the car and found the rear alignment was out. They also noticed that Willow springs track is so rough..that even on the softest suspension setting it was to stiff..which made the car skittish. GM reprogrammed the magnetic shocks...which I hoped they would have ran it again before they did that. (GT-R fan boys are Crying foul) The manual Z06 did 1:25.00, they also brought an automatic Z06 and it ran 1:25.76 (0.06 seconds slower than the Nismo 1:25.70).
FYI, the ACR viper has the track record at 1:21.24.
Here's the link to the article.
www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2015/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-track-retest/
They ran them both at Laguan Seca (different cars) Z06 was MUCH quicker.
Nismo - 1:35.51
Z06 - 1:33.05
Z06 beat it by 2.45sec. or about 304ft or 18 car lengths on the track in 1 lap.
JerseyMikeP Thanks for the info! Gotta love those track times. Especially the one you mentioned at Laguna... against a GTR no less. Yeah, for the past decade all of the foreign car fan boys have been having to eat their words, and it keeps getting worse for them every year. You can't deny the numbers though. I love it! :)
Ryan Nutter Non-American supercars have only held the top steps when it came to Drag racing in stock trim. AWD or rear/mid engine weight bias give them an advantage in launches/traction and the fact that all most all of them have DCT transmissions and American cars don't give them an 0.5+ ET advantage.
Only the Z06 automatic is similar in performance (10.9@128mph) If only Dodge had a DCT/automatic available in the viper for the last year...would easily out run the Z06.(better traction and hp/lbs).
These are less of sports cars and more of track cars. Both are too uncomfortable in their sport or race mode. The base GTR is more appealing for both driving and it's price. The same goes for Z06. Z06 has wider tires than 918 (front) and are basically the stickiest semi slicks on the market. The trend with ever wider tires, especially in the front, and ever extremer aero packages to make fast track cars, is moving these cars from being sports cars to track specialists. Z/28 with worlds widest front tires (also sticky semi slicks) comes to mind.
And too much torque is good in a track or race car, not in a sports car. If you want to do some inspired driving and reving your engine on a canyon road with Z06, I think you can only shift from 1st to 2nd and back. With that much torque you will be at insane speeds already in 3rd gear. And you could leave it in 3rd all the time with no need to shift. The base Corvette C7 with Z51 package is a much more appealing sports car than this track monster. GTR is close to ending it's cycle and it shows. Z06 could have been a nice sports car 1 or 2 steps above C7 but unfortunately it turned out to be a track car.
Despite all the advantages Z06 has over GTR with much wider stickier tires, so much better brakes, more power and torque and less weight still lost to this old design GTR so decisively.
I must say all points are very inline. Z06 was actually developed with the race car. On looks that what it really is. Problem here is GM didn't tune Z06 properly. The claimed power is for a little while before computer says that's enough of the fun and games,lol.. To protect engine and other valuable parts ECU cuts power and timing some 10 degrees. From then on car is well under 600hp. GM wishes to see their engine last 100,000 miles. Tuning a supercharger based car is no easy trick. There must be all kinds of radiators to cool it.
The Hellcat has a very different supercharger. The cooling on that monster probably adds 100+ pounds in weight.
It appears GM didn't want to add such weight.I've looked over all the cooling components. I don't see this setup working out. They will have to add weight to get all right.If not ECU will just only allow a short duration of power.
The handling is a issue too. GM should have delayed this car.
The CTS-V has the same engine but with a different cooling system. I will have to see 1 tested for a better reference point.
Jeffrey Williams It's pretty ridiculous to have a 100,000 mile warranty on a high performance car like the Z06. Hopefully GM will tune the ECU differently so the LT4 won't be strangled.
Jeffrey Williams I think you're right about the handling. Such a track focused car with that much torque, extreme tires, brakes and aero should preform much better. I think they need to make some adjustments to the chassis.
NoReplacementForDisplacement I think we need to relax a little. For the first time Z06 is actually the better car not including the lap time. You could drive it more then this NISMO. The Stingray Z51 is still the best bargain.
When the tuner contacted GM of the conservative tune issue I knew we were in for disappointment. GM came out and stated of issues in hitting emissions targets. The white flag was thrown for there on.
The handling issues I read online. Z06 isn't a polish car. They haven't ironed out the minor things. If you want a old school wheel spinning tire burning car. This Z06 will make you day. I still see it as a tuners dream. This could be the car that wrecked at the Ring,lol. Might be a unfinished test mule. Maybe some details will come out about it.
The auto should be the better car on track. I still think torque converter can tame the power out of corners.
Not for use how long it will last either but hopefully a test of 1 happens soon.
The warranty is the big killer here. It's damn hard to guarantee a track car for 100,000 miles. I mean come on, this is no Hyundai.
Jeffrey Williams GM's still got time to iron out the kinks so I don't mind that much, but strangling the LT4 so it has the lifespan of a family hatchback is beyond stupid to me. Especially on the Z07 package Z06. Vengeance racing was able to get 660hp/663tq at the wheels with a few minor changes to the LT4.
Or there could be issues with this specific car, who knows honestly. I can't wait for MT to take the Z06 to Laguna Seca though.
Corvette = 50,000 less, better looking and slightly slower, I'd go corvette all day.
+Brendan Kennedy yeah. keep in mind the fact that import taxes make a good chunk of that price. go to europe and the corvette will cost much more than in USA.
+Brendan Kennedy The corvette was 9 seconds faster on the ring. (to friendly correct you!)
horsepowerkings.com/hail-to-the-king-2015-corvette-z06-cracks-off-a-659-13-lap-at-the-nurburgring/ there you go!
+Brendan Kennedy Good point, for 50k less you get a car that overheats every 30 minutes and a company that won't own up to their mistakes lol
+Brendan Kennedy This vZ06's rear alignment was way off. They retested and it was faster than the NISMO.
+jon snow How much does the price go up? say for the base z06?
They re-tested these cars and the Z06 won.
SANIC It lost fair and square. The retest was because gm was so butthurt they got beat by the underdog NISMO and to save their pride made up so lie about an alignment issue just so they can tweak it to fit the track. GM is such a sore loser. I know the truth hurts. But hey, that's life. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
John Jones the retest fixed the rear camber issue with the Z06.
And it beat the GTR nismo.
Better at the track
Ran a stock 10.42sec 1/4 mile
Gets better MPG.
Better car overall
@@3rdGenGuy10.4 1/4mile with a manual??
My whole point of respect for the GTR was the price/performance ratio
...but now not so much #sticktoyourroots
amen to that!
? the vette has a much better price to performance ratio
ya the GT-R used to be the most amazing because of its price to preformance ratio. $60,000 and hand built everything, attention to to detail was amazing for price as well.. now starting prices are $110,000 but i think the 2017 even at $110,000 is insane value for money they really hoping power even on base model to old Nismo edition specs. and people thinking Vette is better value, it really isn't, I priced one out myself and they nickle and dime you everywhere. like buying a German car, everything costs extra.. everything.. can't ever buy just a base model, never it will atleast have one extra to jack up its price so they can haggle.
the GT-R has set feature sets. no nickle and diming.
base model is their luxury premium model.. nice comfy seats that hug you in corners, you get 4 seats infact, nice Bose audio system, leather all around, great amount of sound deadening, so pretty surprising how fast it really is once u get used to it quietness, and slightly more compliant suspension, nice large touch interface, well spec'd and trimmed.
then Nismo Edition, which all of the same, plus more power, more exhaust, more rear wing, more track tuning and more aggressive awd system.
then black/track edition, this strips out bunch of luxuries, adds even more power, more exhaust, and even more aggressive tuning.
and if your really soft in the head or have more money than possibly know what to do with and donating and helping humanity seems unappealing ....
then have theres the Alpha editions GT-Rs.
these are black edition GT-Rs with special under the hood tuning.
range from modest 800WHP. to 1200WHP.
So is black edition better than Nismo ? I would assume Nismo would be highest trim. From oem point.
good comparison but $46k more for the gtr?? id rather get the z06 and a decent daily driver
Here on the old continent (Europe) they are about the same price. And the Vette (and I love it, the new ones are great), is VERY expensive to own due to the high engine capacity. The vette's engine makes in Belgium 3600€/Year in road tax. The GTR is only 1200€/Year. And gasoline costs 1,5€/liter = 5,6$ US / gallon.
I had a GTR R35, drove it in terrential rain, snow, in the summer on the Nurburgring, at Spa ... I ferried people with their luggage to the airport (4 usable seats and very big boot).
So if our tax system would change again (currently I would pay 19500€/Year in tax on a GTR/Vette), I'll get a new one. They are great daily drivers (but very hard). Or ... a new C7 automatic. :-)
valcked im from luxembourg and the nismo is far more expensive than the vette. its over 30,000 euro more.
valcked I agree. I live in Belgium and it would be a NIGHTMARE to have a Z06 over here. It's gonna be worse when I move to Switzerland. :(
For the price difference you can almost buy a regular Stingray as a daily driver.
Doug Harlow Good luck finding a stingray for under 70k. That's how much they are going for on average out the door.
I've hear there has been trouble with the new LT1 engine, I'll bet if they put it on the dyno it's not making 650 horse. Wing or no wing with lighter weight more power and stickier tires it should be leaving the Nissan in the straights.
Corvette uses lt4
DAK454 People have already dyno'd the Z06 it makes 650 hp and torque. It's most likely the ECU pulling power. Also the problems with the LT1 have been fixed and the Z06 uses an LT4.
NoReplacementForDisplacement
Well there ya go.....
DAK454 That's what I'm betting it is. Although GM could still change it, the Z06 has only been out for a month or so.
Just like with the Z28 (which by a few measures is a better track car) Chevy will eventually get the Z06 worked out.
Imagine a 4WD Z06, what would happen then.
Imagine 50 more horses in the Nissan.
Bora Rossi If there was a 4wd stingray, it would also be a lot heavier...
H1mynameisLarry AWD* not 4WD guys.
Also, an AWD system weighs around 250 pounds.
H1mynameisLarry Its rear until slip detected - get it now ?
It would drive a bit differently, but rwd probably suits the vette better
So Motor trend just tested the regular ZL-1 here and they got 1:25.87 tire pressure adjustments. I can't wait until they lap the 1LE variation of the ZL-1. It's going to be so funny when it beats it's big brother the Z06 on the track.
If only the GT-R was 300-500lbs lighter, better sounding and better looking....then everyone would be a GT-R fanboy;-P
can't wait to buy a Z06 in a couple years :)
dudeeeee let me have a ride in it when you get it!!!!
Ben McTier maybe hehehehe
you have it yet?
Hows the vette?
why didnt they use an automatic with the zo6? its 2.9 to 60mph and the 1/4 mile time is like 10.9 not 11.4. how could you get 3.3 0-60mph when it was 3.1 with manual 2.9 with automatic. quarter mile manual is 11.1 with auto its 10.9. only .2 seconds difference not much but enough to matter.
MT did ask for a auto. GM couldn't provide 1 in time.
Jeffrey Williams
then why did they compare the 2? the manual is much slower than the auto. thats a no brainer really. 0-60 3.3 VS 2.9? 1/4 mile in 11.4 or 10.9. you tell me which transmission is better for drag racing and track use.
thisguy177 From what I've read auto is the better overall package. MT had a mag deadline to meet. GM pretty much gave MT what was available. They should've told them NO. We are working on some issues with the cars. Model in video was a early prototype brought up to spec.Not sure how it was used in development. Results show car had some issues to work out.
Hate to see this happen. Maybe next time will be a different story.
Jeffrey Williams
yeah i know that sounds right spot on. and you hate to use excuses but that corvette should have been much faster i mean cmon what gives? i dont care if the GTR beat it or not i just want to know why it was so hyped up and then it failed to even match the gtr let alone surpass it. better brakes better tires less weight and 50 more horsepower. I really want to see the auto in the vette and the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times then a lap time maybe laguna seca? what are your thoughts about it all? do you think they messed with the ECU for emissions? too much downforce stage 3 aero package? i know for a fact the manual is bit slower than the auto. they should test a stage 2 aero with an automatic how do you think itd fair? id say tie with GTR about. give or take .3 tenths
Yeah, factory given dry number on paper is awesome but what counts is the real life real conditions.
Love the shot if the Z06 tire @ 2:00...just looking at that...how can anybody claim that the Z06 can be a "daily driver"? Viper T/A is the fastest street/track car with "real" street tires.
GTR-----》 heavier, less hp, no cerámic brake, less g force and its faster in a track and straight line. ¡¡¡GTR engineer its incredible!!!
Damn I love that Z06
Rice fed = GTR
Corn fed = Vette
Look up 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Track Retest - Motor Trend. The manual Z06 ran a 1:25.00 and the automatic a 1:25.76 to the NISMO’s 1:25.70. The rear suspension was out of alignment during the first test. So the manual is ever so slightly faster and the automatic is practically identical to the NISMO.
They didn't just change the alignment, Chevy also added an aftermarket suspension calibration that is not available on the stock car.
Z06 is cheaper than the GTR Nismo
Z06 top speed is higher
Even tho the GTR looks nice, ill take the corvette everyday
More likes here.
AWD>RWD. Its physics.
More like bullshit
No Dani, physics.
***** Aka boring shit.
Then explain why the GT3 was faster than the Z06 aswell...
fe1138lix It was?! O.o holly shit corvette's fucked up. Just 475 horsepower and it was faster?!
Why GTR underdog? $149,990 USD vs $78,995 USD
the looks and performance... not price
lol so the price of a car isn't important? P1's for everybody!!!! unless youd like a honda odyssey. I hear they are very reliable
James Barnes $150k nissan beats most supercars costing twice as much. and the brand isnt as attractive as a lambo or ferrari nor the looks of the GTR. and the Z06 is only $78k.... hella cheap
SmallBoyzzz and what car do you own?
SmallBoyzzz then compare the datsun to a car that cost twice as much and call it an underdog.
i wonder if the gtr used the same tires on the corvette, how much faster will it get?
GTR guys: Don't worry, Corvette always got your back. Coz they're always slower.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Sorry didi I'm not a fan of these two cars.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Among these two di? None! I don't have favorite or like most cars. I'm not picky on cars as long as it runs and manual.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 To tell you the truth di, even my family has too many cars I don't care what kind ofcars they have as long as I can drive. And because of Quentin Freeman and you, I learned a little about cars even your conversation with Q about different insane cars hahaha I thank both of you for sharing it.
Seriosly I don't know what's lada? Lazzara I know because my dad is planning to buy a new one.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 That feeling when the Z06 was retested after discovering an alignment issue and it beat the GTR.
Gabe N by 0.7 sec -_- and they adjusted it.
Vernon Price
The above video won't change when seeing which car has the quicker time, worked or broken Vette's don't count in a stock Vs stock comparison.
Perhaps the broken Vette does, seeing as GM felt it was important enough to supply it.
Maybe they thought it was going to be put against something else.
It's why I can say the Nismo GTR was quicker here, when you say the worked Vette had a faster time.
I've clarified how it was worked to you in a different reply elsewhere here, along with the simple example on how you take what I say out of context.
Finally, a car's ability to produce more G's in any given circumstance is a good example of how a car is exceptional balanced; why would they bother with those test's if it wasn't?
Plz entertain me with a reply to that.
You see, even the ZO6 here has momentary pauses when going through a corner; this is done to give the driver a break & enjoy the ride at the cost of decreased mid corner altitude & manuverability.
The GTR does away with these pauses, so even if a car has one stronger G reading like the Vette; a single stronger G cannot match multiple ones only slightly weaker in comparison.
That's precisely what the GTR accomplishes.
As for how the GTR accomplishes this, that's in the realm of sensitivity & wonder to the Nissan engineer's.
The only problem I have with it is the tyres, less grippy tyres do make 4 wheel steer easier; but the Vette's tyres would completely change it & take it to another level.
I assume that Nissan made the GTR into a G generating machine to aid stability, why not equip it with tyres that do this much better than the current stock ones if that was there approach?
Good thing owner's are doing this anyway to see the difference.
"The above video won't change when seeing which car has the quicker time, worked or broken Vette's don't count in a stock Vs stock comparison. "
Since the Z06's rear end was just out of alignment, it was neither "worked" nor "broken". When they set the rear suspension back to factory spec, it was faster than the GT-R. Just like it has been on every other track.
"Perhaps the broken Vette does"
Since the Vette wasn't "broken", I'm not sure why you think that makes any sense.
"It's why I can say the Nismo GTR was quicker here"
It was only quicker than a Z06 with a rear end that was out of alignment.
"I've clarified how it was worked to you in a different reply elsewhere here"
Except it wasn't "worked". It was set back to factory spec.
"Finally, a car's ability to produce more G's in any given circumstance is a good example of how a car is exceptional balanced"
Nope, generating Gs is not a function of balance, it's a function of grip. Any idiot knows that.
"even the ZO6 here has momentary pauses when going through a corner"
Yes, because in this video, the Z06's rear end was out of alignment.
"I assume that Nissan made the GTR into a G generating machine to aid stability,"
Yes, it's a stable, G generating machine that is SLOWER than a Z06 around a track. But hey, at least it costs twice as much money.
Vernon Price
Out of alignment isn't broken LOL?
Then why did GM bother to fix it to you?
Perhaps you prefer broken car's, but it's not a preference for anyone buying or testing a car.
A different suspension callibration & a softened track mode damping via ECM isn't a rear alignment, it's a modification outside of how a stock C7 ZO6 is.
Which was done to the Vette with the 1:25 time.
It did have a rear alignment done to fix, what you claim; didn't need fixing.
But they should have left it at that.
As a result, the GTR is quicker than the Vette you claim isn't broken; (😂) because it was stock.
@@brantleyfoster021 "Out of alignment isn't broken LOL?"
Are you seriously saying you don't understand what the word "broken" means?
"Then why did GM bother to fix it to you? "
They ADJUSTED the alignment back to factory specs. Nothing was "broken". 😂😂😂😂
"Perhaps you prefer broken car's"
Since nothing was broken, I don't see how that's relevant. Also, still haven't figured out how to use apostrophes, huh? That's pretty funny.
"A different suspension callibration & a softened track mode damping via ECM isn't a rear alignment, it's a modification outside of how a stock C7 ZO6 is"
Since all stock Z06s are set up that way from the factory, no it isn't.
"It did have a rear alignment done to fix what didn't need fixing as you seem to think. "
I never said the alignment didn't need to be fixed, I said it wasn't broken. You are REALLY bad at English.
"As a result, the GTR is quicker than the Vette"
Except it isn't, seeing as how a fully factory stock Vette was faster than then GT-R both on this track and on every other track. Like I said, the GT-R was only faster than a Z06 with a rear end that was out of alignment. Not real hard to understand, but you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
Vernon Price
"Nope, generating G's is not a function of balance, it's a function of grip. Any idiot knows that."
Grip is necessary to distinguish a car's balance.
You missed my point completely with that in mind.
Vernon Price
"Since all stock ZO6s are set up that way from the factory, no it isn't."
The softened track mode damping via ECM is a $350 suspension upgrade for that model Corvette, it doesn't come set up like that from the factory.
wait shouldn't the Z06 be compared to the track edition GTR? not the nismo...
and no shame in losing the the nismo. its a 170,000 car with the same options they had on the vette.
plus this GTR resembles next to nothing from the 1st one back in 2007. this is completely reworked from the engine internals to the shock set up to the chassis rigidity. other than interior or exterior its completely different.
Yeah but in other countries say australia the zo6 is 100k more than the gtr Nismo
Thao Nguyen well not in luxembourg the Z06 is still cheaper.
Yeah that means it's fair comparison .., u can't always compare with price
justin bouche The Z06 would be a lot easier to acquire as well. Im sure those who have the NISMO for sell will surely command an ungoldly premium for it.
Your just buthurt bro
I like how people are watching and commenting on this video yrs later !
RomanAtWood Vs His Dad . I came back to this episode just to comment :)
Same.
+Harambe Miss you
To all you GTR fan boys.... the gtr wasn't developed any better or worse than the Z06. The reason the Z06 lost the track battle is the same reason the Zr1 beat the viper gts at Laguna Seca...driver confidence. The Gtr's 4wd system allows you to be more confident, relaxed, and less strained on not how much throttle to give it out of the corners but, when and how much earlier can I give this thing full throttle. 4wd give you more traction, more traction means a more confident driver, which equal up to faster lap time. The end.
Dont get me wrong I dont hate the Gtr I just hate the fan boys that try to make it seem like Nissan engineered their car soooo much better than GM did the Corvette. Trust and believe if you disable that front axel on the gtr it would be a different ballgame. Both cars are the best in their individual drive trane layout.
So prius would be magically faster than corvette if the driver is more confident? This goes for the situation where cars are equal but one gives more confidence. In this case on paper corvette has all the edges - it has more power, more torque, a lot less weight, way better brakws, way better tires. Basically all the simple understandable things are better.
Aur0n a prius lol really lets be adults and keep things in perspective, a prius no but something like a hot Megan, fiesta, or 208 gti in a super tight technical course (topgear uk fiesta vs corvette in a mall), yes the small front drive would beat a much much more powerful rear drive car....power, torque, less weight, good brakes and tires don't mean jack shit if your suspension and aero settings wont allow you to put all that power to the ground properly. Well at least at thos particular track. Now somewhere like the N-ring the vette would just power buy the gtr with its long high speed sweepers and straights. The vette, with a softer suspension setting cause the ring is bumpier than hell, would be rock solid stsble with tge stage 3 aero kit. Not to say this track is small but it was the right size and the right amount of corners for the gtr to blast out of each one. Thats the real beauty of Awd. Lol no pun intended.
What about the Viper T/A beating the ZR1? Why did that happen?
BigGuz53 chasis recalibration and a pissed off Randy. Ralph Giles ,ceo of SRT at the time, said Randy was always afraid of the Viper which is why he was reluctant to push it to its limits. Randy made sure to make ole Ralphy a lier the second time around.
I bet the z06 would of won if it had the auto
This Z06 had alignement issues and the manual Z06 beat the Nismo's time during the retest. The automatic was slower than the manual Z06. It was barely slower than the Nismo with a time of 1:25.76 vs. the GT-R's 1:25.70
nobe the manual is better .. i love the gtr but i wish it has manual like the nissan z
+i QTiFy he's talking about the times. As always manual is more fun to drive but typically doesn't get as good track numbers as a auto
what?! they had to retest to save their ego now? damn that is sad for americans.
+Waylon gm gave them a faulty corvette lol gtr lost
I own a C6 Z06 and a GTR track edition - the handling on the GTR is insane, the fun on the corvette is insane too :)
so... which do u prefer
You know what sucks and yet is awesome about cars? There will never be an automobile that is the best, because the next day will see a stronger, faster, overall improved version of the older one.
Reminds me of iPhones.
Rawr McRawr
Except cars are better in every way than iPhones...
Rawr McRawr Love the picture, don't know about the Iphone, personally I've never had one, but everyone I know who has has either broken it in the week, complained about it, or traded it in for something else. I dunno.
OmegaEGGY Well, yeah. But I wasn't comparing them. I was just adding to the other guy's comment when he said, "There will never be an automobile that is the best, because the next day will see a stronger, faster, overall improved version of the older one." Kind of reminds me of what apple does.
Rawr McRawr
Fair enough.
the vette is a piece of artwork... the gtr is a fucking nissan ultima with turbos
sipan9000 Well that so called Ultima with turbos just put it to your picasso.
CSM1470 the z06 is obviously the superior vehicle regardless of what motor trend says..lol and I prefer Dalí :)
Z06 won in the retest. So most of these comments are invalid lol. 80k vs 150k, its a no brainer really.
CCZ Z06 tested was over 100k. There are no do overs. Nismo won fair and square. You can't take a test, lose, then make a number of changes and run a dozen or so laps to get a better time.
CSM1470 It wasn't fair and square. The rear suspension was out of alignment on the Z06. If you think that test was fair, then you're an idiot.
Proof from MotoTrend: "The real reason the Z06 was slower was because Chevrolet gave us a car with the rear suspension out of alignment. It was supposed to be running 0 degrees of rear caster. Instead, it was running positive 2 degrees. This made the rear dampers less effective at controlling the rear suspension and as a result made it more difficult for the Z06 to put power down. This is exactly what Randy Pobst complained about during our test."
CSM1470 hey buddy, you're right about the gtr beating the disabled z06, but in real life the manual and automatic Z06's are faster than the nismo period. The GTR won in THIS video, but of course people don't want to read about the retest because they can't handle the truth.
What are you smokin dude? The Nismo will beat the Z07 from 0 to 60 and quarter mile every time. The GM boys had to come and add some software and do a caster adjustment. Plus they probably ran a dozen laps before they actually did a official lap. They lost. Face the music..LMAO!!!
Didn't realize how offended people got when they hear the truth. Where do i start? The z06 had 15k in upgrades?? Upgrades that do what? Heat up your seats... and at a 1/4 mile they both do about the same, depends on driver. I wasnt talking about the laps they did in this video moron, i was talking about the actual retest. But why does it matter? You people will never be close to owning a this GTR let alone a Z06. Thats another fact, so why defend somehing and look like a butthurt fanboy? I dont get it with these dumbasses lol.
where was the 8 speed auto?
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. It's admittedly the faster transmission.
This question has been asked online by many. MT ask for 1 but GM couldn't send a auto.
Daniel The Alpha Wolf
Hopefully something fixed or don't test the auto either,lol. Everyone is running out of questions,excuses and answers.
Jeffrey Williams Wrong in their latest article.
z06 ran a 1:25:00 they retested with the auto as well which ran a 1:25:76 nismo ran 1:25.70.
the Z06 won ;) with manuel.
oh and it did it with out octane boost which the GTR had Z06 ran pump gas
clovis myers How I'm wrong?? MT did ask for a auto.A manual was sent. I well aware of retest. There was a issue in the rear of car. GM brought a auto out to test against manual. It was all over the forums.
In real life it comes down to driver. At the track I see way more Vette drivers pushing their cars then GTR drivers. The confidence is key. Even though the GTR is more stable around the track. It lacks personality. And that’s why so many GTR owners don’t connect well with their cars.
Im shock motorTrend was Fair on this race they finally went in to details,
I knew the GTR Nismo would dominate, and this is Nissan GTR, the supreme is yet to come which is the 700hp Infiniti Essence
It will also play a part in Nissan/infiniti
Domination coming soon....2016
Robert Davis Nissan set the bar with the 2009 GTR. Every car company is trying to catch. Porsche has with the 911 turbo S. This Z06 was supposed to be the answer. NOPE!!!! Just wait until the next GTR. It will be GODZILLA on cocaine. LOL!!!
CSM1470 "Yes sir" !!😀
Domination was shorted lived. Z06 did have issue in rear. Driver in video is clearly having difficulties with it. GM came out to Willow like I knew they would. Many thought all was set in stone after these results.
After retest Z06 was over 2 secs faster then first tested. New time is 1:25.00.
Jeffrey Williams and still lost by .70 whats yr piont here lmaol certified none reliable peace of shit Corvette lol
Pazau Lor How did retested Z06 by .70 sec??? Based of your math, NISMO ran 1:24.3 which it didn't.
That must be the NISMO retested time,not.
Randy leaves us with some wise words there, this man here loves driving I tell you. he would be invited to my car trips any day of the week 👍👍
The GTR is probably one of the best overall super cars
Lap times proves it's one of the worst
Its not a supercar. It is a sports car. It doesn't have the price, exclusivity, and exotic qualities necessary to make it a supercar.
you are wrong... a sub 3 second 60 time outta the factory is super car quality. Smoking Porsche and Lambos outta the factory means something.
It only does a 2.9 in certain conditions. It also does not beat a Porsche LOL
TheSouthernAssault I owned one and it is not a supercar. Performance alone doesn't make a sports car a supercar.
You should have put the same type of tires on both cars
I've never gotten the hype of gtrs. But then again I can't afford neither :D
+MrChow408 I agree, sure, it may have been slightly faster in the 1/4 mile than the z06, but the vette looks better, sounds better, performs better on the track, costs 1/2 as much, and manages to do all that speed with a manual transmission AND rear wheel drive, both of which make it more fun than the GT-R.
+MrChow408 You can
they're dirt cheap
40-65 grand gets you a used one with around 30-50k miles
+MrChow408 I'm not a GTR fanatic, but I get the impression it's so hyped because it's always been a well-built car, very modestly priced for what it can do, and has always been a major technical achievement considering it's "mediocre" specs.
Thank you! Just about to comment that exactly! If you think about it, the vette is a pure sports car unlike the gtr and that's what makes it more fun to drive!
***** It is indeed
I'm confused. Didn't the Z28 beat the GTR?
I'm just amazed at all the American butt hurt? A brand new car loses to an 8 year old platform? Yet it has more power more torque, bigger engine, lighter?
The thing is the Corvette will bounce back and I hope they do, it will just spur others on, to make their cars better. I just hope they don't rely on the big sticky tires like on the 2012 ZR1/Z06 had, or the MPSC ZP tires, for the next update! Because you cannot use them daily! No matter the BS they feed you about semi slick tires! Great on a track no so on the road, and that's where you are going to be using your beloved 100K car!
The GTR did well here! Simply it will probably get beat on the Laguna Seca! (this version is a little different to the pre-production one they tested last year).
No idea why you are crying, or why in the all the world did you guys think it was going to be so amazingly perfect? It's beat the 911 GT3, it's just the Nismo is better, simple. Love both cars and stop bitching Americans!
There is a stg 1 package with SS tires. Someone posted similar Z06 on winter tires. The Cup2 are for track performance. On the street good luck with them in damp conditions.
Lol tell me about it corvette fans just refused to understand that the nissan is a much better vehicle even with bad breaks and less sticky tires
Dennis Bamfo If Nissan just put on some Carbon Brakes, it would be a monster, I can't understand why they won't put them on? Even if they stay away from the sticky tires!
Wait, brand new car? The Vette has been around longer than Nissan itself.
***** The C7 is all new! The GTR R35 platform has been around for 8 years! Or longer if you include the time before it's release!
hmm now i wait for roman
savage, same here😀😃
me too XD
same
Roman's GT-R isn't a NISMO. And it's a year older than his dad's Corvette Z06. Let's see how that goes. I am a GT-R fan. In fact I respect both cars.
Im not a GTR fanboy, but i do know that it will win
corvette is not a "better handling" car. listen to your driver when he says it's like "wrestling an alligator".
Dude the reason the corvette won on the figure 8 was because it handled better.
it's American, it goes in a straight line, not around corners
No, it just has more oversteer, the Gtr is awd, giving understeer.
You'd be surprised if you looked an Nurburgring track times then as a $40,000 z28 is only like 2 seconds slower than a Porsche 911 GT3 that costs about $100,000 more. You know, because american cars can't handle.... oh did I mention the corvettes from the last 10 years corner better, or a mustang GT350R, etc, etc.
+Holstek Gear hahaha that's what I'm saying
So what does those extra 16 grand add to the vette? And why not stock vs stock?
id rather have the z06 though, because the gtr is so old now and its ugly as fuck