Dyno Testing our F90 M5 stock
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The time has finally come for us to strap our F90 M5 to the dyno and see what it makes on our Dyno Dynamics dynamometer.
The car is still completely stock, and this will give us our baseline figures, along with 1/4 mile and 60-130 to begin tuning the car.
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Thanks! Just feeling our way around what works. Appreciate the feedback. ✌️
How times and technology change... a family saloon that produces 630bhp out the box! If someone had told you that 15yrs ago in ya local you would have literally pissed yourself laughing..
Limitless Trading
What about the RS6 (450hp), E55 (470~hp) and M5 (400hp) from 15 years ago? Much faster than many ”sports” cars.
And the RS6 and E55 could have even more horses with a simple tune thanks to their turbo and supercharger respectively.
Yes and hot hatch size cars having 350 plus BHP from factory.
stubones
Take a deep breath and try to understand my comment. I know it can be hard and a struggle, but try to squeeze out some intelligence.
@@EvolveAutomotive - Agreed... it really is staggering what is being achieved today. Best regards 👍
Limitless Trading what about the E60 V10 years ago..that was a beast..so not really surprising..
This is exciting news! I honestly think that the potential of the usable power with the F90 is game changing
Power should be similar to the F10, but where that is only usable in near perfect conditions, this will be usable far more often.
How? The e63 is already 4wd. It’s nothing new.
Kevin Keelan yeah but everyone knows it's harder to get a power increase out of Mercedes
TFC any modern turbo engine is easily unable.
What game changed ?
Thank you for acknowledging and crediting me for my track! Heavily appreciate it!
Sick video imran my guess was poor
Thanks my G. Wasn't as bad as some others
Would be good to see a drag race between between the f10 and f90 stock
. Rolling of course
Our VBOX testing show that it would be very similar.
uhhhhh they should do a line-up and a rolling...
Evolve Automotive not understanding how f10 on a roll can keep up with an f90 which is trapping 5+ mph higher in the quarter.
@@av8743 I've vboxed both myself the 4wd is big advantage on drag strip
Evolve Automotive the 4wd does not help with TRAP SPEED which is indicative of the power the car is making, while the 4wd is just for traction which gives it the far improved ET.
Just doesn’t make sense, an f10 from a roll does not hold up with an f90.
Just curious, wouldn’t it have given a higher number in 2WD mode because of less drivetrain loss?
In theory yes, but we have heard reports from other tuners that the power is limited in 2WD mode. We will be doing vbox testing back to back to confirm, but the 4WD number is more important as it's where the power will be used.
Evolve Automotive can you record another video in 2wd mode and upload that please? We're all v curious! 😀
will do!
Evolve Automotive everyone's waiting.... 😉
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Very clean video editing and good B-roll in the beginning. 🍻
Love how well the F90 is over-performing on power output.
BMW typically rates their cars closer to what they make at the tires, but this is just stellar (631whp with low miles).
The video I've been waiting for :) I expect your car will make up to 650hp once the engine is loosened up but it's going to get really interesting once you start extracting more power. Dragtimes latest video shows a new M5 CP doing the 1/4 in 11.27s at 123.77 mph. On one run it hit 60mph in 3.11s and 100mph in 7.36s. According to Brooks (the dragtimes guy) conditions were very warm. Cheers
We did 11.6 without launch control on a very hot day so I think the non CP is capable of 11.3 with it. I am pretty sure you've seen the video!
Yeah I saw it :) There are claims of 11.1s and a (very bold) claim of 10.9 for the standard M5... Personally I think 10's are only for tuned M5s. Keep up the good work :)
stubones I don’t believe that to be honest. A CP and non cp are getting 11.2-11.3. A non cp or even cp hitting 10.9 seems like pure BS to me.
Btw what were the trap speeds?
Dyno results do not surprise me as much as the 60-130 mph comparison with the F10 M5. Would think that another 40bhp would bring that time down into the 7s at the very least. Testament to what a beast the F10 was I suppose. Thanks for sharing.
As we showed in the video, the F10's were dyno'ing from 600-650.
Thats what numbers tell u but test in real world f90 from a roll is considerbaly faster
@@stefanfreestylez we have a F10 M5 for the last 4 years. Stock they do mid to high 8s condition dependent so not just going on the dyno figures but real world testing with vbox.
@@EvolveAutomotive juat judging by what i see happen in real life and online even with tune on f10, f90 seems to be alot faster dig and roll.
Stefan Cupovic quarter mile trap speed is 5+ mph higher on f90 so I don’t see how there is a chance in hell from a dig or a roll that the f10 keeps up. The dunk numbers don’t matter it’s the area under the curve, and the fact that f90 is a bit lighter as well, I’m guessing.
The torque curve is really impressive
Exciting times ahead 👀
Yes - can't wait. :-D
Do a video on the m5 face lift be nice to see what your thoughts are
You need to run the car in "Dyno" mode not just dsc off and power+ mode enabled ..... we have seen 670hp on more then one car dyno
all cars were edition 1 by the way
Ilia! Let me know how to put in dyno mode and I will try it again my friend.
Would the "Dyno mode" be representitive of onroad performance or just a theoretical value for the dyno test? The car seems to perform on the road like a car with 630-640hp, not one with 670hp.
stubones dyno is a roller test mode that disables the DSC fully
Evolve Automotive you need to go in the secret menu.. i dint know of Its the Same like in other BMWs. YOuTube it and try 👍🏻😊👌🏻
stubones, there's no much difference between 640hp to 670hp... specially when we're talking about a Saloon meant to be riding with your family
Great video! I really liked the dyno compare to the F10 M5
Cheers Matt. ✌️ Glad you enjoyed it
I don't know how to feel about this 4wd move, i mean it was the bmw's signature for years, steering at the front and power at the back, its what made them so engaging to drive. Obviously when power surpasses the 600 mark then you need awd, im just from an age when e30's where fun and scary unpredictable at the same time.
Amg its direct rival has same feature
I think accessible fun stopped being the point a long time ago. The Germans have been locked in a game of BHP top trumps for the last 25+ years. You can still drive the car in RWD mode but it will just smoke the rear tyres and make the car rather dangerous and difficult to control on the road. It has AWD because thats the only way you can make so much power and torque safely controllable on the road.
Wow and this is just a stocked one 😮
Matches up well with ZL1 but the ZL1 is much lower stress engine and will hold compression longer. I just raced an M5 and pulled half car on him from low speed roll
2:18 Its not moving but it looks like its doing 300 kph, what a beautiful beast!
So the f90 has the same if not more AWHP as the f10 has in RWHP???? If true that's an awesome achievement.
These figures are at the crank to not wheel, so at first it seems that the power has been increased to cancel out the additional drivetrain loss.
So something is strange. The m8 comp on the dyno Only makes 612 hp, but it is the same motor and bmw says both have 625
If the normal M5 produce 630 BHP, I wonder how many could the Competition package produce
Ryan Angkasa probably the same, lol. All marketing.
I Araujo not all marketing, but not a big difference
650 maybe
Thhese engines can handle 1000 hp withhout a puff
The same. It‘s an easy way to charge you additional 10k euro.
Will be interesting to see if the F90 can be pushed to a stage 3 i.e. bigger turbos to improve efficiency, lower IAT's and EGT's etc. I believe this would free the platform up if physically bigger turbo's (Hot and cold side) can be made to fit. Advantages are normally more power for less boost, more fuel efficient both in MPG but more critically giving the fuel system more head room to manage power, boost and temps etc if required.
Following closely Imran.
Valid points but the S63TU can't really handle bigger turbos without a forged engine build. Have seen many cases of bent rods when hybrid turbos and going over 700 lb ft torque.
Time will tell if this technical update is any stronger.
Noted, my comment was based on then building the engine, not much point on the standard turbos.
Also a prefer a climbing torque curve give by large turbos and their hold on boost right to the rev limit rather than the flat of little turbos, that are flat then tail off, always feels false and looses some driver 'involvement' of chasing the red line. Another benefit of big turbos is they naturally limit torque in 1st and 2nd helping with traction.
I am just a fan for big turbos and the way the come on song.
Evolve Automotive pretty sure the engine internals are still cast. I doubt f90 can handle 700+wtq without major issues...
So the f90 torque and power performance is only 40lb feet of torque more than the f10 M5 and the HP peaks for the f90 at just under 600 HP and the f10 more or less matches this result? So what exactly have BMW done to enhance the 4.4 litre performance in the f90 engine compared to in the f10? doesnt seem like much. Other than the engine, we have less weight of 20-30 kg and 4wheel drive
Quick question...How are you managing to run/tune/mod the F90 / F92 when their steptronic boxes blow up transfer case...no one in Sydney Australia tunes these on standard dynos.
We’ve never had a transfer case failure even on our 1000hp build. Our build partner Mr VANOS pushed past the limits of standard gearbox whilst chasing an 8s 1/4 mile, transfer case is still fine.
We mostly road tune these now, a properly linked dyno is required for high power tuning, but even then airflow demand starts to get difficult at such high horsepower and real world is much more accurate.
Keep this up Imran luv it !
thanks that is the aim!
Your DT loss correction is off. Factory rating is accurate.
wish they could bring back the e60 m5 sound back
Fantastic video Imran.
Interesting to note how closely matched the F10 and F90 are at the top end.
A quick question, how much power does a C7 RS6 make in terms of mapping/torque curve etc on a dyno how does it compare to the the F90 and F10?
Great video Imran.
Does it still have "Fake Noise Augmentation", (As M3/4) added through the speakers?
Great !!
Given that this is your 3rd M5; of the 3 which has been the easiest to tune and most fun to drive???? (I banking on the e60 as you've still got that exhaust note at the start of the your vids. 🤘)
Just of pure curiosity. Would those straps hold the car IF it got traction? Im skeptic.
Damn son
Great video!
No bullshit, just on the business, all the way!
I am sick and tired of videos with so much jadajada and talk about everything from buttons to badges.
Also: Well done that you also showed (although with discretion) how to start a BMW with the button.
One just press it one time, one don't hold it in until the engine runs!
It seems this is too advanced for american RUclipsrs, which handles the button (holding it) as an old key...
Thanks! Who knew pushing a button was so difficult
Do a run in only RWD mode, then there is less power loss in the drivetrain.
What was the wheel power though? A dyno's estimate of flywheel power is irrelevant.
Multiply it by .16 then subtract that to the flywheel hp for an average
That would mean using a guess to calculate an estimate.
@@mubblemann This kind of driveline produces a certain loss. It's been measured again and again by comparing dynos from wheels and flywheels. Not a guess, pretty accurate.
Was BMW claiming crank or wheel horsepower? If crank, why are they claiming so low?
Just a quick question, I’ve normally seen dyno pulls in 4th gear. How comes you had to do it in 5th?
Gear is dependent on what speed the car makes at Max rpm in that gear. Some cars are gear 3, 4 or 5 on this dyno
Please try a m850i if you can. Iam interested in thy dyno result compare to the m5. Same nm, less hp, i think it is also more powerful than the stock data.
I am sure we will get one in to dyno eventually, and we will do a video on that.
Evolve Automotive thank you, i have ordered mine, will get it in december. I cant wait that 😬
Did you not try a 2wd run as a comparison with 4WD mode? (effectively testing the dyno SW).
We have heard reports that the car does not produce full power in 2WD mode. It's something we will test, but so far we have only done it in 4WD.
Great content at last! Anyone know the official extra power consumption of the Xdrive front diff / drivetrain? 30-40hp?
Why could you not do launch control at Pod?
I was at Pod that day, and ran an 11.9 in my Stage 1 335D xDrive. I ran 11.8 the weekend prior. It was so heatsoaked at Pod, I'm sure your M5 would have ran 11.4-11.5 on any other day.
Not sure it just wouldn't activate. Yeah heat was a killer that day.
K A did you used to have an E class w212?
Did you dyno stock rs6 with 560 hp? How much hp showed?
Just so I'm clear on this, they advertise 595 crank hp and it makes 630 wheel? Or is that number the production of a bunch of math to calculate crank hp from a dyno run
630 calculated crank on this particular dyno
Nice video imran, when is the 6sixty wheels ready
Thanks! Soon...very soon.
I love how the beginning sound is that of an e60 v10 m5 xD
Yes it's our old M5 with full Evolve exhaust and manifolds
@@EvolveAutomotive i have a 2008 sapphire black 6 speed manual m5 with straight pipes. Thr sound is eargasmic 😏
Can people please learn the difference between fast and quick when quoting BHP and torque...
Might have a bad batch there bud lol the times you were getting at drag strip were pre crap for f90 and now we know why🤒
Any idea why the F10 made a bigger % power gain against BMW’s official stock figure relative to the F90? Having now taken delivery of my new F90 it’s a million miles away from my old F10 and I’m looking forward to getting the running in service out of the way! Thanks.
The F10 were making well over 600 bhp in factory form so the real gain is about the same. This is early stages too. We may be able get more power out safely as we have more time with the car.
So put simply BMW haven’t really increased the power on the new F90 against the F10, they’ve simply published a more accurate BHP figure (albeit still higher than quoted)? Only 200 miles in so far but.........wow 😎 I can feel it’s going to fly rather than have the traction light in like a blinking Christmas tree light!
@@mogsyman yes basically that.
why are the front brake rotors red hot? brake pads are touching all the time to vector power to the rear on accel?
They are not glowing red. If anything it's a reflection from the red dyno cabinet opposite it.
ohhh you are maybe right, it makes sense...I should've noticed it. Thanks for the honest answer.
I think I've seen u in london
Its odd that BMW is officially rating the engine so low. I remember being at the Philadelphia Auto Show 2018 back in February, and the BMW rep there was saying this engine had 600+ HP. Why are they officially downplaying what it puts out? Unless the dyno is reading really low, but i'd figure they'd be calibrating that thing properly.
FoAmY99 bmw underrates all of their engines, even the 2.0 4 cylinders
Because germans like to dyno the engines at the worst conditions, so wherever you are you have at least 600 hp ( altitude, heat...)
I guess its because they test their engines in the worst conditions to give you the min, and also because of tax reasons for the customers- CC and HP are counting into the Vehicle-Taxes- At least where I am from.
❤M5❤F90❤🤗😍👌👍🤝
Hehe, BMW being reserved on the 0-62 time and HP.
My dad got his m5 competition Dyno tested it had 653hp
Super vid, you have got to change those wheels, lol
Thanks and yes we know ..not BMWs finest hour of wheel design
How much at the wheels?
Great Job brother Imran
How much DRIVELINE LOSS ?
I'm here bexause of tiktok
Same
What year model is your M5?
2018
Power drop top rpm beacause it is turbo. NA engine is crazy top speed engine, because there is more power in hig rpm area even engine is less powerfull.
I bet old stock M5 V10 is faster in hig speed than this new one, even way less power and torque.. Or can this new one pull 330kmh+? Dont think so, i know f12 cant beqt E60. Can this one? And i talk about hig speed.
With all your future mods/plans, do you think you could get the F90 M5 up to 900hp? Also with 4WD, do you think it will handle that much better than the F10?
With bigger turbos for sure but no one knows how strong the internals are yet. It will handle whatever extra power it has better than the F10 due to the 4WD.
Evolve Automotive internals are still
Cast so it will for sure need forged rebuild
631 at the wheels or crank???
Crank
Would 2wd make a difference?
We are going to do a follow up video testing a 'Roller Mode' and also in 2WD.
675Hp 820Nm
You guys need to use another dyno to test these cars to eliminate the fact that there might be an issue with the dyno you keep testing these cars on
There is no issue with the dyno. E92 M3 s have been making the same range of power since they were new
@@EvolveAutomotive E92 M3's? Well I guess we won't know, but putting the same car up on 3 different dynos to see if you get such a significant difference from the BMW specs would be interesting
We are taking the F90 M5 to a dynojet dyno to get figures from that also, so we have figures from the two most common dynos.
Evolve Automotive isn’t this a lower reading dyno vs dynojets?
Where are you located
In the UK
Is that 630 to the wheels?
Calculated crank.
Crank
Why would BMW say their car has less horsepower than it does ??
So no one complains it doesn't make what they quote
AWD with 630bhp ..... yes, clearly what this car needs is MORE POWER!!! haha. In all seriousness, the power and torque output is as crazy as the engine sound is disappointing.
No music AT ALL. If any mods are needed its not to increase the power output!
lol, they have the f10 making more than the f10...
what are these guys anyway?
mainlymusicman what are you asking here I don’t understand
I saw you at Gaydon man I was going too have a chat but you were talking to a guy I hung around for a little while but was ushered on by my wife 🤭 I was the big ugly bloke with the good looking missus in case you thought you had a stalker 😁
Hey - thats cool - maybe next time. Talked to a lot of people that day. :-)
Damn, I wish I was rich. sub'd
Don't we all! All of our cars are for development/marketing reasons, so they earn their keep. The F90 just has a lot more to earn 😂
Peak power at 5,500rpm makes the car as boring as a diesel. Must be that Audi guy messing with high revving nature of M. Explains why everyone short shifts on F90.
Uhm testet in AWD Mode ? Why ?
Because the car is AWD?
Evolve Automotive i know the Car is AWD, but i also do know that you only should Dyno an AWD Car if its possible to lock the Center Diff so the Ratio is 50:50 Front/Rear, like the Subis with DCCD.
Another possibility is to use a Dyno where the front and rear rollers are connected together so that the drive inequality is compensated, for example, by having a car with 70:30 AWD Ratio.
We have heard reports from other tuners that the car does not make full power in RWD only mode. It's something we will be testing, along with a 'roller mode' to see if we get any different figures. We are also going to take the car to a linked dynojet to see how the dynojet figures compare, and if the graph shape is different on a linked dyno.
Evolve Automotive In my experience, none of the results is correct neither in RWD mode nor as shown here in the video in AWD mode without Connected Dyno, if it does not really have full power in RWD mode. I think in AWD mode with Connected Dyno he will make 660-670 HP, and about 590 to 600 pounds
Those brake calipers in the back, straight from the 520i 🙄
I know visually such a let down
Evolve Automotive performance wise too
Bring back the v10
V10 noise was epic. Unfortunately the days of big NA engines is over :-(
@@EvolveAutomotive yeah. it was the best sounding BMW ever made...
Hopefully this car is a lot more reliable than the V10 was!
@@EvolveAutomotive yeah it had its problems but the noise made up for it...
When you drive the F10, it feels slow. The F90 is totally different. The F10 is probably the most boring M-car of all-time.
630 on wheel？WTF
Crank
Evolve Automotive oh no
6th gear is 1:1 on these cars not 5th
And?
@@EvolveAutomotive nothing I just thought you’re supposed to dyno in the 1:1 gear. No correction needed
@@sbinnala not on this Dyno
@@EvolveAutomotive that’s good to hear! Better than Dynojet or Mustang
Bad dyno....
This means the merc e63 s and audi rs6 must be making between 670bhp and 690bhp with more torque
Every drag race I’ve seen the M5 loses against them to
sajid mahmood you are joking right
Νικολας Δαρσαβελιτζε just watch carwow
i have seen 5 drag races between the m5 and the e63s and the m5 won all of them except from the one on carwow
Νικολας Δαρσαβελιτζε
Can you tell me where I can watch them please
sajid mahmood ruclips.net/video/ildSKqHzGkI/видео.html
630 from f10 standed not a chance in the world
Not chance but fact
Evolve Automotive no way mate seen multiple times on heartbreak dyno same model as yours do 560-580
@@andyalmond9264 we have dynod 100s of them. They all make 600-650 at the crank stock.
Radeon_ V2 there dyno is like a fruit machine mate they done do 40-50 bhp over there claimed power atall