Little and Often. London, Midland, and Scottish railways steam fireman training video. Uploaded for use as a training aid. All rights owned by Railfims Ltd.
Heh maybe so. But these guys don't just have the training but a lot of experience as well. The firemen on heritage roads don't have the advantage of experience. But what do I know; I thought getting my BBQ going was hard...
Gosh I didn’t realise it was so complicated and involved. Fascinating video. I’ll be looking out for the colour of the smoke on the steam trains at my local heritage railway, the GCR
I was a b.r.fireman.thid is a true description of firing.however not all locomotives were the same even the same class.i.e jubilee s.6 p some would steam better with a bi one under the door .p.s.best job I ever had I my live life.
This is excellent! I've watched this time and time again, and I still enjoy it. I regret that I will probably never fire a steam engine, though it would surely be exiting (and hard work as well), but that's not the point. The point is, that all the skill and work that was necessary to run these "simple" engines efficiently, was there. And not only the firemen and the drivers, but all the maintenance people too! Hats off to those doing it, and to the system for running it all and doing everything in the most economical way possible, if a steam engine can ever be called economical, which it probably can't. But that was what they had in those days. And they really tried to make the best out of it. I'm impressed. 🙂
A steam engine can be called economical - but you must judge historically, and not from the point of view of today. Steam was a great progress compared to horses, and much more economical.
Never fired a loco with the front damper open, except for going tender first. As for the little and often worked only when the loco was in tip top shape. in reality this method was rarely used.
I'm not exactly sure, but it's evidently something both embarrassing and well-known to the company, that they're trying to be tactful about. Honestly, it's absolutely *exemplary* labour relations to include a bit like that in the film, and sadly something you'd never see in any training video today - it's a way of indirectly saying, to the working men who'd be shown this film, that the boffins and bean-counters who wrote it do understand what life is actually like on the foot-plate, that accidents do happen even to the best of us, that ideal theory is hard to always apply under challengingly non-ideal conditions. It's a humanising moment of briefly dropping the clipped formality, to basically show that the management are reasonable, decent people* who won't fire you if you've just had one bad day and that it's safe, for example, to approach them and tell them if you've accidentally bent the baffle plate, so it can be repaired. This film was presumably made back in the pre-war days when the phrase "we're all in this together" actually had at least *some* meaning. *At least, that's the impression they're trying to give; just exactly how true it really was, I couldn't say.
He may have just gone off script and used the "well" to pause and find his place again. Then the editor didn't bother cutting out thay little slip. Just a theory; I don't really know.
I was a fireman at kingmoor carlisle they demonstrate control fireing 6 every 2 mins regarding black smoke you did not look for that also you kept the firebox doors close the 2 main things when fireing oh bye the way you fired left handed you kept your eye on the steam guage and also the water guage if you were putting coal in the fire box you knocked off the water injectors the idea was you were not putting cold water and coal at the same time the scot engines had a long fire box so you put 4 one side 4 the other
The firehole flap. The opening is called the firehole and the flap allows the fireman a better view of the fire than a fully open firehole as the glare from the fire is significantly reduced.
before fusbile plugs were "invented" if the firebox was uncovered the crown would melt and cause sudden evaporation drastically increasing the boiler pressure and causing boiler explosion
"Here, I've found a lump of coal." "Jolly good. The very thing we're looking for. Be careful not to drop it on your foot." "What, me drop a great, heavy lump of coal on my foot?...Ooh!" "Silly duffer."
They experimented a little with oil burning in the UK but it never took off. We had large reserves of high-quality coal, none of the really long freight runs you get in the US and trains small enough that a guy could fire the locomotive with a shovel.
Given how much black smoke you see constantly coming out of heritage railway trains, this video should still be used for training.
Heh maybe so. But these guys don't just have the training but a lot of experience as well. The firemen on heritage roads don't have the advantage of experience.
But what do I know; I thought getting my BBQ going was hard...
Gosh I didn’t realise it was so complicated and involved. Fascinating video. I’ll be looking out for the colour of the smoke on the steam trains at my local heritage railway, the GCR
This method of firing actually works for stationary boilers too, I've done it. It works best if the load is relatively constant.
The local steam train in our area is oil fired 😎
My father was a fireman based at Derby the smoke and noise are iconic wonderful.
Great video shows how the firemen did his job
I was always trying to find this video in full length! Always trust your local Volunteer Railway if you get to know the staff.
Those firemen must have been strong, and look at the early British locos when many had no cabs at all.
back then real men were waterproof and didn't need a cab
I love this video. Great info and insight into firing a steam loco.
Fascinating, thank you.
Its the way he says it.......wonderful!
This is such an awesome channel
It is interesting to see that all bridges over the rail lines are heavily sooted in areas immediately above the rail lines.
I was a b.r.fireman.thid is a true description of firing.however not all locomotives were the same even the same class.i.e jubilee s.6 p some would steam better with a bi one under the door .p.s.best job I ever had I my live life.
This is excellent! I've watched this time and time again, and I still enjoy it. I regret that I will probably never fire a steam engine, though it would surely be exiting (and hard work as well), but that's not the point. The point is, that all the skill and work that was necessary to run these "simple" engines efficiently, was there. And not only the firemen and the drivers, but all the maintenance people too! Hats off to those doing it, and to the system for running it all and doing everything in the most economical way possible, if a steam engine can ever be called economical, which it probably can't. But that was what they had in those days. And they really tried to make the best out of it. I'm impressed. 🙂
A steam engine can be called economical - but you must judge historically, and not from the point of view of today. Steam was a great progress compared to horses, and much more economical.
@@ncs8730 I agree.
Never fired a loco with the front damper open, except for going tender first. As for the little and often worked only when the loco was in tip top shape. in reality this method was rarely used.
Awsome
Iv never been told that before...👍👍
Wow
I thought title and Often" was the GWR way. LMS much have pinched it!
11:36 "If due to... well... if, as sometimes happens"
What is it he's avoiding saying there?
I'm not exactly sure, but it's evidently something both embarrassing and well-known to the company, that they're trying to be tactful about. Honestly, it's absolutely *exemplary* labour relations to include a bit like that in the film, and sadly something you'd never see in any training video today - it's a way of indirectly saying, to the working men who'd be shown this film, that the boffins and bean-counters who wrote it do understand what life is actually like on the foot-plate, that accidents do happen even to the best of us, that ideal theory is hard to always apply under challengingly non-ideal conditions. It's a humanising moment of briefly dropping the clipped formality, to basically show that the management are reasonable, decent people* who won't fire you if you've just had one bad day and that it's safe, for example, to approach them and tell them if you've accidentally bent the baffle plate, so it can be repaired. This film was presumably made back in the pre-war days when the phrase "we're all in this together" actually had at least *some* meaning.
*At least, that's the impression they're trying to give; just exactly how true it really was, I couldn't say.
boner joke
He may have just gone off script and used the "well" to pause and find his place again. Then the editor didn't bother cutting out thay little slip. Just a theory; I don't really know.
Whom ever gave this a thumbs down, and why?
Pass.
This is a good video. I can only see a person with a negative agenda
Some idiot who has listened to the "save the planet, damn the people" ilk for too long!!! Never heard the term "All things in moderation"!
Don’t worry, it’s gone now 😂
"Whom" ever? *_Whom_* ever?!? Whoever taught you to write should have told you to read more first! ;-)
How does the fireman watch for smoke when running at night?
Believe it or not your eyes would eventually adapt to the darkness and you would be able to see
@@737Adventures not if you look at the fier all the time when putting in coal.
I was a fireman at kingmoor carlisle they demonstrate control fireing 6 every 2 mins regarding black smoke you did not look for that also you kept the firebox doors close the 2 main things when fireing oh bye the way you fired left handed you kept your eye on the steam guage and also the water guage if you were putting coal in the fire box you knocked off the water injectors the idea was you were not putting cold water and coal at the same time the scot engines had a long fire box so you put 4 one side 4 the other
@@tomhind266d6 You did no such thing. You sold potatoes at a stand with mustard on them. The only smoke you saw was when the grill needed cleaning.
@@tomhind266d6
Can you take some sentence structure classes, you had like 80 conversations going on in one massive sentence.
Fill the firebox up on most trips
What is that metal device that is flipped up in the center of the fire opening?
The firehole flap. The opening is called the firehole and the flap allows the fireman a better view of the fire than a fully open firehole as the glare from the fire is significantly reduced.
A warbler plate. It sings as it get cool, alerting the coal shovel guy it needs more coal.
What would happen if the crown of the firebox became uncovered whist the fire was hot?
The fusible plugs in the crown would melt and the steam from the boiler would quench the fire.
before fusbile plugs were "invented" if the firebox was uncovered the crown would melt and cause sudden evaporation drastically increasing the boiler pressure and causing boiler explosion
@@titan8976 oh my
@@FerroequinologistofColorado yeah... check this
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You would have to kill the fire as adding more water up tothe crown sheet would cause a boiler explosion
"Here, I've found a lump of coal."
"Jolly good. The very thing we're looking for. Be careful not to drop it on your foot."
"What, me drop a great, heavy lump of coal on my foot?...Ooh!"
"Silly duffer."
Thank good for coal. Where would we be without it?😀
We’d be stuck in the dark ages and the way the world is headed we’re on our way back again
What the pression, 6 shovles of coal
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Then you go to the USA and have to learn a totally different way because we burned oil in our steam engines.
They experimented a little with oil burning in the UK but it never took off. We had large reserves of high-quality coal, none of the really long freight runs you get in the US and trains small enough that a guy could fire the locomotive with a shovel.
beeble2003 exactly right!
Different fuel, same basic principle!
Driving a modern car is easy compared to this!
Fucking type 🤣😂😂😂🤣