Brilliant nostalgia Thank you whoever posted it. What a tragedy the S & D line was not preserved in its entirety. With all that manpower needed for the 'system', no wonder Beeching had no difficulty in axing unviable Lines. But if only we had had the foresite to not destroy the trackbeds and build over them.
British Corruption in action sadly. The landed gentry are now finalising their plans for uk destruction sadly. May they love the Caliphate they will inherit
What a performance to do all that! Now that's all in a real days work. All done by manual mechanical working, no automation in this clip. Yet for all it's complication, it works safely, and things are kept moving. Those were the days, plenty of labour around.🙂👍 Good posting,
Excellent piece of archive film. Yes, with forms going left, right, and centre, it looks terribly beaurocratic. But, it worked. The recent rail disaster (July 2019) at Margam, Port Talbot, Wales, where two track workers were killed by an oncoming train, highlights the dangers that are present on the railways. Terribly, terribly tragic and simply shouldn't have happened. This safety film shows how things should be done.
Brilliant piece of film. Just shows what a safe system this is. Good communication, everything recorded. Still a system used on heritage railways today when needed.For those that don't understand it, there obviously a bit thick.
The pilot certainly clocks up some miles! I'm sure for some people, this probably seems like a lot of to-ing and fro-ing for an apparently straightforward process, but I for one find this sort of working supremely satisfying to watch.
'Straightforward approach....' Love that. Still, it needed all those checks and balances and the paperwork to keep trains running while maintenance was carried out, just not sure it was 'straightforward' and would be years before the digital age simplified things a tad. Lovely piece of film, lots of face to face contact, personal between the various members of staff doing their jobs, all unseen by the traveling public who will have had little or no idea of how much went into the operations to keep things safely running .
Nice shots of Shepton Mallet (Avinger Hammer). I later worked fron the industrial estate built upon the site and would walk down to where it went under the GW.
As with the comment below, nostalgic and informative. Passed by the remains of the S&D around Shepton Mallet a couple of days ago on way back from a weekend in S Wales.
Another vintage film of our wonderful Railway Heritage where Shepton Mallet was portrayed as Averton Hammer and Binegar as Boiland on the long gone Somerset and Dorset Railway line.
There is still a big push to get the ESR into Shepton Mallet with maybe rostered mainline trains between Westbury and Shepton Mallet as the ESR is fully connected to the NR metals at Torr works quarry and occasionally runs specials to Westbury. The viaduct is still there but the chances of trains running again on that are pretty low because of housing either side now blocking the old S&D to Charlton Road.
@@dodgydruid That would be great to see. The destruction of valuable through routes like the S&D was very shortsighted. No consideration was given to future change or shifting demand, but with no new petrol car sales from 2030, and the high cost of alternatives being an effective curb on personal transport, the chances of some lost lines being restored seems more likely. Schapps has indicated funding towards some of these.
I was wondering where it was filmed. I'd worked out it was somewhere on the old Southern Railway, by virtue of the upper quadrant lattice signal posts.
They did get a free house, rail travel across Europe and in many cases all their bills paid by the railway and if the station had a buffet prob got their food through the supplies department of the railways for nowt too. Station masters before privatisation came in all had 1st class PT's on retirement too.
I remember the pilotman armbands, when my class 33 driving uncle took me on cab rides on his out and abouts, occasionally he would be rostered to drop a Ford train to Willesden and we would wend our way up from the Sheerness line and around the backside end of Stewarts Lane, across Latimer Bridge and to Olympia where the pilotman would be waiting so he could travel onto MR metals and he would call out signals, speeds allowed etc until we got to the yard where he disappeared for a bit and we raided the works hut for tea. The same back from Willesden with the empties and off he jumped at Olympia where we would stop for a rostered break and mumping tea off the signalman then back to Hoo and off home after a bit of shunting. So if in the 70's you sometimes saw in the summer a young lad with his legs dangling dangerously over the side of the open door of a 33, was prob me hehe
No...Should be the form for retaining the form given to the pilotman to sign the form to proceed to give the station master his form, Then once he has signed the register the train can proceed..Averton signal man tells signal man at rear to send train through, the forms for the signal man and station master B. He signs the form which he the retains, and the pilot mans form.
@@allanxxx8789 ........erm ,can you just go over that again ! I was with you right up to the first bit about “should the form “ ......then got confused ! Oh never mind ! Two trains have collided while we’ve been deciding what forms should be sent to what person
I’ve seen him, there’s a pair of flags and a skeleton, so I think he’s still being paid. I’m not sure when he’ll be able to retire or the state of his pension.
Okay... Let me see if I got this right. Station Master A signs the form 5 times and gives it to the Pilot. The Pilot gives the form to the flagman. The flagman puts 3 detonators on the Pilot’s up bound leg. Then the train proceeds and if any of the track workers see the Pilot on the locomotive.... that means that there will be 6 more weeks of winter!
I did manage to view this right through...But got lost after about 10 mins. I admire these guys who know what they are doing..But, poor me...My brain now hurts.
@@clivehughes2179 Think i can answer that...They clip the catch points. These are used to derail a runaway train/wagon. they are free points that are set open... if a train goes over them the wheels just push the blades over. If a train travels in the opposite direction then it will be derailed....As in this case, they need to run in the opposite, so they clip the points to keep them closed so they can then be run on / over in both directions.
@@GuitarandMusicInstitute The ethos on the Railway was less to assign blame, but more to find out what went wrong and then decide if procedures need to be changed to prevent it recurring.
A slow, methodical and manpower intensive administration system; developed no doubt due to the problems found in earlier systems. All with safety in mind: but more so that a signature or two, ties specific people to a duty or responsibility. So much in the UK is developed haphazardly and with 20:20 hindsight. Just look at the response to COVID in 2020.
@@dahliagreen5919 Thank u. I have noted the doctors and Nurses that had marched on Washington echoing this, those with enough stomach to take the verbal backlash, but they have guts, real guts. Giving up everything for truth. It takes a pair to say this is Wrong, and calmly explain why to others, in the face of ignorance. We must humble ourselves and relize they lied and tricked many. Its okay. We can right this. Before its too late. Our children and the world are watching. All of us are responsibile to the Truth. We all will be judged for our action, or inaction now.
Now lets look at the present daY Lotschberg Brig 60 km Simplon Inter-Model (SIM) route. Because of the increased width (4m) of inter-model work some features of infrastructure by the double track are ' out of running gauge' so these trains always run on the outside track on some corners. This means there is a minimum of 8 crossovers in the 60 km Now the cross overs work in pairs, leading and trailing so there are no reverse movements. Of course point locking is powered not manual.
Was that Norman Down, made famous by films made after closure, signing the register ? He was stationmaster at Binegar. I have a train register book from Binegar where he had to sign the register every day.
I don’t see how the form filling helps safety but it does mean you have someone to blame when it goes wrong. It looks more like being seen to be doing something than a system that makes things make it much safer.
It works because you follow the procedure. Very very simple and logical. Like anything if you have discipline you're alright. If you're stupid you wouldn't be doing the job.
The Pilotman exchanges hats with the Driver and signs his form again, then gets off the train and waves a green flag four times. The front engine toots four long and one short to the rear locomotive. The Pilotman shows his armband, then... ruclips.net/video/2qqUjbDSzKM/видео.html
The whole point of the procedure shown in the film is that it was a temporary set up to enable trains to run in either direction along a single set of rails whilst the other was closed. The very lack of the token or tablet instruments that were provided for permanent single lines were the reason for all the forms etc shown. In a few locations where there was normally double track and temporary single line working was carried out on semi-regular occasions the required instruments would be provided (provision of instruments and wiring, training etc cost the railway money to install and maintain etc so had to be justified) and the procedures shown in this film didn't apply. One such location was Shepperton and on the occasion of racing at Kempton Park, one line (the up) was utilised as a temporary siding between Shepperton and Sunbury. All the empty race stock was run to Shepperton (over the down) and then it was crossed over and joined the rear of the queue of empty stabled trains on the up. The down line was used as a single running line with a token instrument bought into use specifically for the occasion. Hopefully that makes sense.. Having done single line working, provided all the instructions are carried out correctly then it actually worked well and kept the traffic moving meaning that you might still have a train to travel on rather than a replacement bus. If you consider the pilot man to be a human token/tablet/staff then that might help things make a bit more sense. Can't remember if the film mentions it but if the pilotman's armband was not available (in the folder/envelope in the signalbox) the pilotman was required to wear a red flag strapped to his left upper arm- I never saw this in practice however.
I guess that todays ATC system are extremly more reliable/faster than telephones + forms + flags. But what are the detonators for, to explode and notice that the train should stop?
This, or basically the way Britain is running it's railways, is just a nightmare. I can't understand why they were using such an outdated way of running railways in 1957, like....how was it even possible that they went over 200km/h just 19 years earlier? This way of doing wrong/ Single line working is just begging for a serious accident or derailment to happen, not to speak of the mindboggling way they communicate between signal boxes; why don't they just call each other and use standard phrases when speaking on the phone and use the block indicator additionaly (where there are still mechanical signal boxes) like they do here in Germany? The german way of running railways is not the best way possible, but they are light years ahead compared to this, this is just wasting resources in so many ways. And no, i don't hate the Brits, i'm just a german signal men/dispatch who fails to see how this was ever used without delaying trains multiple days or killing everyone involved in the process. On another note, despite my lack of understanding, this is a marvelous document of it's time, makes one wish that high-quality film was more available in previous times.
And they were killing off more modern systems at the same time. The lines around Newcastle upon Tyne were electric from the days of pre grouping (North Eastern Railway, pre 1922) and yet BR didn’t replace them but scrapped them all and put on diesel and steam instead. We electrified our mainlines 30 years later than the main European countries.
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Brilliant nostalgia Thank you whoever posted it. What a tragedy the S & D line was not preserved in its entirety. With all that manpower needed for the 'system', no wonder Beeching had no difficulty in axing unviable Lines. But if only we had had the foresite to not destroy the trackbeds and build over them.
British Corruption in action sadly. The landed gentry are now finalising their plans for uk destruction sadly. May they love the Caliphate they will inherit
What a performance to do all that!
Now that's all in a real days work.
All done by manual mechanical working, no automation in this clip.
Yet for all it's complication, it works safely, and things are kept moving.
Those were the days, plenty of labour around.🙂👍
Good posting,
Labour was cheap. Those who had, had most and those who didn’t got paid a pittance.
The labours had awful living conditions and were under paid, it’s a very good thing we no longer have an abundance of them
Excellent piece of archive film. Yes, with forms going left, right, and centre, it looks terribly beaurocratic. But, it worked. The recent rail disaster (July 2019) at Margam, Port Talbot, Wales, where two track workers were killed by an oncoming
train, highlights the dangers that are present on the railways. Terribly, terribly tragic and simply shouldn't have happened. This safety film shows how things should be done.
Brilliant piece of film. Just shows what a safe system this is. Good communication, everything recorded. Still a system used on heritage railways today when needed.For those that don't understand it, there obviously a bit thick.
The pilot certainly clocks up some miles! I'm sure for some people, this probably seems like a lot of to-ing and fro-ing for an apparently straightforward process, but I for one find this sort of working supremely satisfying to watch.
Must cost a lot in tickets as well! 🤣🤣
It's amazing how these things can run smoothly when they go according to plan.
A good ,safe system , I've handsignalled a crossover many times during single line working . Never a problem .
'Straightforward approach....' Love that. Still, it needed all those checks and balances and the paperwork to keep trains running while maintenance was carried out, just not sure it was 'straightforward' and would be years before the digital age simplified things a tad. Lovely piece of film, lots of face to face contact, personal between the various members of staff doing their jobs, all unseen by the traveling public who will have had little or no idea of how much went into the operations to keep things safely running
.
Nice shots of Shepton Mallet (Avinger Hammer). I later worked fron the industrial estate built upon the site and would walk down to where it went under the GW.
As with the comment below, nostalgic and informative. Passed by the remains of the S&D around Shepton Mallet a couple of days ago on way back from a weekend in S Wales.
Another vintage film of our wonderful Railway Heritage where Shepton Mallet was portrayed as Averton Hammer and Binegar as Boiland on the long gone Somerset and Dorset Railway line.
👍 😎
There is still a big push to get the ESR into Shepton Mallet with maybe rostered mainline trains between Westbury and Shepton Mallet as the ESR is fully connected to the NR metals at Torr works quarry and occasionally runs specials to Westbury. The viaduct is still there but the chances of trains running again on that are pretty low because of housing either side now blocking the old S&D to Charlton Road.
@@dodgydruid That would be great to see.
The destruction of valuable through routes like the S&D was very shortsighted. No consideration was given to future change or shifting demand, but with no new petrol car sales from 2030, and the high cost of alternatives being an effective curb on personal transport, the chances of some lost lines being restored seems more likely. Schapps has indicated funding towards some of these.
Def S&DJR, looks like Pete smith in the 2nd class 5 and a 7F as the 3rd.
I was wondering where it was filmed. I'd worked out it was somewhere on the old Southern Railway, by virtue of the upper quadrant lattice signal posts.
All that work and responsibility on the part of the station masters and in comparison to todays money they were paid peanuts!
They did get a free house, rail travel across Europe and in many cases all their bills paid by the railway and if the station had a buffet prob got their food through the supplies department of the railways for nowt too. Station masters before privatisation came in all had 1st class PT's on retirement too.
@@dodgydruid thanks for the informed details, sounds like a pretty good deal overall.
it was much better to work as a station master then
Blimey glad Im not the only one who got bamboozled by all the form swapping going on.......
I remember the pilotman armbands, when my class 33 driving uncle took me on cab rides on his out and abouts, occasionally he would be rostered to drop a Ford train to Willesden and we would wend our way up from the Sheerness line and around the backside end of Stewarts Lane, across Latimer Bridge and to Olympia where the pilotman would be waiting so he could travel onto MR metals and he would call out signals, speeds allowed etc until we got to the yard where he disappeared for a bit and we raided the works hut for tea.
The same back from Willesden with the empties and off he jumped at Olympia where we would stop for a rostered break and mumping tea off the signalman then back to Hoo and off home after a bit of shunting. So if in the 70's you sometimes saw in the summer a young lad with his legs dangling dangerously over the side of the open door of a 33, was prob me hehe
Yet another little gem of our Trains system, in all its glory, Love all things steam, and all things railways.
Fascinating and it worked!
Please sign the form and register to proceed to open the register to sign the form, then sign the form to sign the form to collect the form.
No...Should be the form for retaining the form given to the pilotman to sign the form to proceed to give the station master his form, Then once he has signed the register the train can proceed..Averton signal man tells signal man at rear to send train through, the forms for the signal man and station master B. He signs the form which he the retains, and the pilot mans form.
@@allanxxx8789 ........erm ,can you just go over that again ! I was with you right up to the first bit about “should the form “ ......then got confused ! Oh never mind ! Two trains have collided while we’ve been deciding what forms should be sent to what person
True to form in the great BR tradition. In the interim, three more forests have been felled and pulped in readiness for the next single line working.
Monty Python runs a railroad.
However , everyone knows and has signed for their responsibility and knowledge of procedures, smooth running or shit creek .
What happened to the poor sod with the flags and dets out at the Distant? Nobody told him it's over - I bet that he's still out there to this day.
No matter- he's raking it in . Wonder what time they booked him off!
He is probably still there but sadly neither the signal nor the station are.
Similar to the old Japanese sniper sent to some remote island who thinks the war’s still on coz nobody got back word to him to come home
I’ve seen him, there’s a pair of flags and a skeleton, so I think he’s still being paid. I’m not sure when he’ll be able to retire or the state of his pension.
It's happened , and a right bollocking to the person in charge
Nice to see Grayson of 'Look at it this way' with Chalmondley-Warner at 7:19
Everything done properly!
Okay... Let me see if I got this right. Station Master A signs the form 5 times and gives it to the Pilot. The Pilot gives the form to the flagman. The flagman puts 3 detonators on the Pilot’s up bound leg. Then the train proceeds and if any of the track workers see the Pilot on the locomotive.... that means that there will be 6 more weeks of winter!
Too late .......while you’ve been sending forms here there and everywhere two trains have collided.
And some poor bugger is wondering why he’s got detonators bound to his leg.
@@stupididiot369 only if the rules haven't been followed , without the form nothing moves
I never knew, but what a palaver. Necessary though.
I did manage to view this right through...But got lost after about 10 mins.
I admire these guys who know what they are doing..But, poor me...My brain now hurts.
So did I - seems very complicated - why do the points have to be clipped
@@clivehughes2179 Think i can answer that...They clip the catch points. These are used to derail a runaway train/wagon. they are free points that are set open... if a train goes over them the wheels just push the blades over. If a train travels in the opposite direction then it will be derailed....As in this case, they need to run in the opposite, so they clip the points to keep them closed so they can then be run on / over in both directions.
All those forms and paperwork which will be sent to some central location where they will never be looked at again.
Unless there’s an accident! Then it’s jolly useful.
@@tomsalter7852 only for blaming people I suppose...
@@GuitarandMusicInstitute The ethos on the Railway was less to assign blame, but more to find out what went wrong and then decide if procedures need to be changed to prevent it recurring.
@@sapper82 - which would be to add more forms and signatures
Wow, lots of paperwork in those days. Also, I cannot find Boiland on the map? Thanks.
Nowhere near the end and I'm completely lost
A slow, methodical and manpower intensive administration system; developed no doubt due to the problems found in earlier systems. All with safety in mind: but more so that a signature or two, ties specific people to a duty or responsibility.
So much in the UK is developed haphazardly and with 20:20 hindsight. Just look at the response to COVID in 2020.
But its a pcr test plandemic, testing for genetic material when ones body responds to detoxify itself. Part of chromosome 8
@@cjones3710 wtf?
@@dahliagreen5919 Thank u. I have noted the doctors and Nurses that had marched on Washington echoing this, those with enough stomach to take the verbal backlash, but they have guts, real guts. Giving up everything for truth. It takes a pair to say this is Wrong, and calmly explain why to others, in the face of ignorance. We must humble ourselves and relize they lied and tricked many. Its okay. We can right this. Before its too late.
Our children and the world are watching.
All of us are responsibile to the Truth. We all will be judged for our action, or inaction now.
Good old S and D !
Now lets look at the present daY Lotschberg Brig 60 km Simplon Inter-Model (SIM) route. Because of the increased width (4m) of inter-model work some features of infrastructure by the double track are ' out of running gauge' so these trains always run on the outside track on some corners. This means there is a minimum of 8 crossovers in the 60 km Now the cross overs work in pairs, leading and trailing so there are no reverse movements. Of course point locking is powered not manual.
Little chance of a mishap because the procedures are so tight.
Simplicity itself!
Nice interesting video
What a hoot. Do you think they did all this bureaucracy when off-camera? Rail signaling is forever a nightmare.
Yes
Wow ! ..........erm ............can you just go over that again ......I got a bit confused.!
For some people they 9:21
The system worked, quite simply. The persons emoyed were considered fully competent. Unlike percentages of the current thick generation.
Was that Norman Down, made famous by films made after closure, signing the register ? He was stationmaster at Binegar. I have a train register book from Binegar where he had to sign the register every day.
Probably. He was still there 10 years later when the line closed, and I believe he continued on living in the stationmaster's house.
Definitely him. He even signs one of the forms at 'Boiland' using his real name.
I don’t see how the form filling helps safety but it does mean you have someone to blame when it goes wrong. It looks more like being seen to be doing something than a system that makes things make it much safer.
If everyone follows the system , you've really got to try to balls it up
It works because you follow the procedure. Very very simple and logical. Like anything if you have discipline you're alright. If you're stupid you wouldn't be doing the job.
Today, the line is shut completely and a bus service setup, i have actually as a secondmqn done this wrong line working
Trains are moving so slow, I think I'd rather be involved in a crash, less forms to fill out at the hospital!!!.
Good old S and D.
Hmm a 7F pulling passengers. Has to be S&DJR.
The Pilotman exchanges hats with the Driver and signs his form again, then gets off the train and waves a green flag four times. The front engine toots four long and one short to the rear locomotive. The Pilotman shows his armband, then...
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i dont get it
The token system works better which is placed in the leather pouch and the hoop is handed from signalman to driver at start of single line section
The whole point of the procedure shown in the film is that it was a temporary set up to enable trains to run in either direction along a single set of rails whilst the other was closed. The very lack of the token or tablet instruments that were provided for permanent single lines were the reason for all the forms etc shown. In a few locations where there was normally double track and temporary single line working was carried out on semi-regular occasions the required instruments would be provided (provision of instruments and wiring, training etc cost the railway money to install and maintain etc so had to be justified) and the procedures shown in this film didn't apply.
One such location was Shepperton and on the occasion of racing at Kempton Park, one line (the up) was utilised as a temporary siding between Shepperton and Sunbury. All the empty race stock was run to Shepperton (over the down) and then it was crossed over and joined the rear of the queue of empty stabled trains on the up. The down line was used as a single running line with a token instrument bought into use specifically for the occasion. Hopefully that makes sense..
Having done single line working, provided all the instructions are carried out correctly then it actually worked well and kept the traffic moving meaning that you might still have a train to travel on rather than a replacement bus. If you consider the pilot man to be a human token/tablet/staff then that might help things make a bit more sense. Can't remember if the film mentions it but if the pilotman's armband was not available (in the folder/envelope in the signalbox) the pilotman was required to wear a red flag strapped to his left upper arm- I never saw this in practice however.
My brain hurts!
I guess that todays ATC system are extremly more reliable/faster than telephones + forms + flags. But what are the detonators for, to explode and notice that the train should stop?
Yep, exactly so.
Yup, basically they go off like firecrackers under the wheels so it's a warning for the driver.
😅😅😮😅😅😅😅
S&D headcodes.
Averton Hammer.
Avnt a hammer.
Haha.
That why like the heatage railway do it the old well,
This, or basically the way Britain is running it's railways, is just a nightmare. I can't understand why they were using such an outdated way of running railways in 1957, like....how was it even possible that they went over 200km/h just 19 years earlier? This way of doing wrong/ Single line working is just begging for a serious accident or derailment to happen, not to speak of the mindboggling way they communicate between signal boxes; why don't they just call each other and use standard phrases when speaking on the phone and use the block indicator additionaly (where there are still mechanical signal boxes) like they do here in Germany? The german way of running railways is not the best way possible, but they are light years ahead compared to this, this is just wasting resources in so many ways. And no, i don't hate the Brits, i'm just a german signal men/dispatch who fails to see how this was ever used without delaying trains multiple days or killing everyone involved in the process.
On another note, despite my lack of understanding, this is a marvelous document of it's time, makes one wish that high-quality film was more available in previous times.
Bad Aibling...
British Railways were still building brand new steam locomotives at this point. And coaling plants for them. The whole system was archaic.
And they were killing off more modern systems at the same time. The lines around Newcastle upon Tyne were electric from the days of pre grouping (North Eastern Railway, pre 1922) and yet BR didn’t replace them but scrapped them all and put on diesel and steam instead. We electrified our mainlines 30 years later than the main European countries.
@@melanierhiannabut France and W Germany were using steam locomotives until the mid 70s