How to Install a Gas Clothes Dryer | Ask This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey helps an expecting couple select and install a gas dryer.
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Time: 3-4 hours
Cost: $800 and up
Skill Level: Expert - licensed professionals only
Tools List for Installing a Gas Clothes Dryer:
Pipe wrench (x2)
Drill
Hole saw
Screwdriver
Shopping List:
Gas pipes
Gas pipe fittings
Gas nipples
Pipe dope
Dryer vent
Dryer vent cover
Flexible gas connector
Gas leak detector
Gas tubing hanger
Steps:
1. Any work involving gas can be dangerous and should be left to a licensed professional.
2. Start by shutting off the gas at the meter using a wrench or at the nearest gas shutoff upstream of where the new gas work will happen.
3. Measure and connect a series of gas pipes, fittings and nipples to the source of the gas to the rough location of the dryer. Secure all the connections between the pipes and the fittings with pipe dope and tighten them with the wrenches.
4. At the bottom of the gas work closest to the dryer, add a drip cap to allow for a sediment clean out.
5. Connect the flexible gas line to the end of the new gas pipes and then to the gas fitting on the dryer using the wrenches.
6. Drill a hole in the exterior wall where the dryer will vent. Do this using the drill with a hole saw attachment.
7. Insert the dryer vent cover into the dryer vent and tighten the clamp with a screwdriver until it’s secure.
8. Feed the dryer vent into the wall and then screw the dryer vent cover to the exterior wall.
9. Connect the dryer vent to the dryer and secure it to the dryer using a clamp and the screwdriver.
10. Plug in the dryer (this power is only to spin the drum) and turn the gas back on.
11. Test all the new gas work for any leaks using a leak detector.
12. Once you’ve confirmed the gas work is all perfectly sealed, secure the pipes to the walls using screws and the gas tubing hangers.
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Richard recommends that if the electrical service to the house is insufficient, a gas dryer could be a more suitable option for installation. Working with gas can be extremely dangerous, so, as with any other gas appliances in the house, this type of work should only be handled by a licensed professional.
Richard installed a 120V gas vented dryer, which is manufactured by GE Appliances (www.geapplianc.... The other materials he used for this installation, including the black gas pipes, fittings, nipples, and pipe dope, can all be found at home centers.
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Honestly, this old house is the best thing on RUclips. Never stop educating us!
Hey this old house where is ♥️ for me
Facts I've been watching since I was 9 yrs old.
So old he still uses the 220v term vs 240v. Old school house, long time watcher.
"Gas piping should always be done by a professional"
Me: I know what i'm doing. How did I learn? By watching This Old House.
I think this is required by law in MA.
@Tom Cartmel check your local regulations of course. All I know is that in other states property owners doing the work themselves merely have to get a permit if anything.
I was going to post this same exact thing! lol
@@n9woxMA requires a lot of things
I love Rich. He loves to bust chops in a friendly way. "No mancave down there..." Probably a fun guy to hang out with.
Met him at a home show several years ago. He's a super nice, down to earth guy.
He goes by Richard, not Rich.
Glad you guys liked it. Here's my bill for $1500 see you later.
I don't recommend plastic louvered exhaust vents...I just got done replacing the one on our new house two weeks ago because a louver broke off... It was only three years old. The combination of exhaust heat from the dryer and UV from sunlight made the plastic extremely brittle. The remaining louvers literally crumbled in my hand.
agreed, wouldn't use in area exposed to any sunlight. shaded should last longer.
work fine on the north side or without direct sunlight
It literally, not figuratively, crumbled.
I bought my house and was trying to work out how the dryer was vented. Checked the walls, the roof, attic, etc but still could find it. What I later realised they had vented it into the vent pipe for the plumbing.
I agree. After getting lint on them, the louvers tend to not want to close all the way and let in cold air. This style of vent works much better. www.lambro.net/product/4-dryer-vent-seal/
I just happened to have a gas dryer in my truck.
You know, he's got a 12,000 sqft express van.
I've been watching this old house for over 30year great show the good old days
There is one concern out of the whole installation, that would be the dryer vent, that paper pipe is a fire hazard due to it being flammable, I would use either the aluminum flexible pipe or the solid sheet metal pipe, other than that the installation was perfect and I want to be an HVAC technician and a plumber and these videos are really inspiring and I learn a lot from them.
Im pretty sure that was aluminum
Finally a picture of the finished product. Thanks TOH!
"thanks toh" the owl house
Her glasses are epic. Feels like I’m back in 1990!
This Old House comes to install your new dryer hookup. Let's put the vent and gas connection like 8 feet apart so the vent has to stretch across the wall!
with carbon monoxide I like to use hard pipe for gas dryer venting. The flexible stuff can be damaged easily.
The flexible duct exhaust which was installed is flammable if I’m not mistaken. Rigid is the best way to go. Especially since it’s in an open area.
you are mistaken
It is not flammable... please stop repeating old wives tales.
@@stevesullivan9752
It's not an old wives tale. RUclips video by the dryer vent dr shows the flexible aluminium foil vent hose catch fire and burn immediately when a flame is applied. There is paper under the foil.
@@stevesullivan9752
The duct type used in this video is absolutely flammable……plenty of videos on RUclips illustrate that fact. If one insists on using a flexible vent pipe there are ones made entirely of aluminum.
With that said a solid vent pipe is always best as flexible vent pipes don’t flow as well and also are prone to lint buildup
Yes, current international fuel gas codes require semi-rigid or rigid vent ducting for gas-fired dryers. Semi-rigid duct runs can't be as long as rigid ones.
That light in the background at the 1:50 mark is really cool.
If you guys could direct a “This Old Car” channel, formatted JUST like this?? You’d be the most valuable educators in the world!!
You don’t like Scotty Kilmer yelling all the time?
Jonathan Lea I feel bad because I don’t know who that is, but I was referring to this exact teaching style and method
Scotty Kilmer is on RUclips and has car repair tutorials and advice. He knows his stuff but he’s always yelling.
@@Nikodymus Scotty kilmers the best 😂
@@jonathanalea update, I found him. And he’s awesome!
always call the plumber before you have the baby!!! LMAOL
Occasionally, the plumber is responsible for having the baby... ;-)
I'm a little disappointed that rigid ducting wasn't used for the dryer vent, especially with such an easy, short run...
No need to be. Flexible duct works great. As long as your municipality's codes allow for it there is no problem in using it.
@@StoneE4 It might be adequate, but it will still collect more lint, and if the mylar type is used it's extremely flammable. I can justify doing things "good enough" when there's a good reason but the extra time/cost in this case would be minuscule.
@@ClaytonNummer, Agree.
Clayton Nummer - The mylar flex duct becomes more and more brittle with each successive heat cycle from the dryer. Subsequently, it doesn't take too long before that stuff starts to fall apart. As to whether or not it's flammable, I don't know. But, I _seriously_ doubt that. Nonetheless, I strongly advise against using that crap. However, the foil type and the semi-rigid type are just fine to use. They may build up lint faster than rigid metal duct, but not enough to cause any safety concerns. The vast majority of lint build-up in dryer ducts is not due to the type of ductwork used, it's due to people not cleaning their lint screens, having too long a run, crushed ductwork, too many bends in the line, and foreign obstructions. Those issues can be just as big of a problem with rigid metal lines as with flex lines.
There are two main rules to follow if you want to keep a dryer working properly and safely... (1.) Clean your lint screen every time you use it, and (2.) keep the vent line as short and straight as possible. Follow those rules and you won't have many problems with flex duct or rigid metal duct.
I find it hilarious all the keyboard professionals that show up in the comment sections on This Old House and Ask This Old House episodes on RUclips who think they know better than people who have been doing their trades for decades. If rigid ducting wasn’t used there is a good reason for it.
I love how dead inside these guys are. It’s my favorite part of This Old House!
That foil venting seems a little hokey. I prefer to install 24g steel smoke pipe and fittings that are taped and properly supported
@@dancooper6002 A gas dryer.
RUclips's best . Good luck guys .
I always thought that gas is this mortifying thing that can start to leak at any time because it is under pressure like water mains. But it turns out, I didn't knew, that gas is almost as strong pressure as your breath. If you have a gas pipe wide open, you can take your finger and gently put it on the hole and it will stop the pressure. It is literally as strong as your breath.. I was really surprised by it, I always thought that gas pipe, if broken, it will whistle gas like mains water, but it turns out that it isn't the case.
Probably best to put a carbon monoxide alarm in there. As for the gas leaking, it should be detectable through smell.
@@fartpluswetone8077 you should know Carbon Monoxide is completely odourless
@@stephensnell1379 Natural Gas and Propane fuels are treated with Methyl Mecarptan to give off a rotten egg smell.
Well, that's the case for commercial and residential use.
I thought the dryer was shrinking my clothes, turns out it was the refrigerator
i love how they just have a sheet of plywood in place where a window used to be
0:59 Plywood was already there to replace the glass in the window well.
Whirlpool 4396009RP flexible hose and 4396006RW close elbow will work great!
You are supposed to use a little of the flexible duct as possible btw, It has a horrible airflow rating, 1 foot = 4 feet normal tin pipe.
Can they run the washer, dryer, and air conditioner at the same time with that little panel?
ya, thats only about 25 amps, If they all switch to led lights and a efficent airconditioner 60 is "enough" if they dont have an electric oven or dryer. But its still tight to say the least.
Probably not. I have that same issue. I have to turn the AC off to use my washer/dryer.
@@briancarter1597 Well it depends of a few factors- the physical size of the panel is irrelevant, thats a 60 amp panel- which probably also leads to a sub panel somewhere. It really depends on your over all usage through out the house- by switch to all led you can save 15 amps easily in a house (equal to 2 window ac's) the running amperage of a two 1/2 ton system is about that much for a modern unit so just by switching out the light bulbs you effectively made room to run the ac 24/7 in addition to what you usually do.
If you go around the house and cut out the wasteful usage you'll save a ton of energy and free up allot of amps even in a small panel.
Well if they already been running everything prior to the dryer I'm sure the gas dryer won't have tremendous impact
@@ozziesheppard17 Are you getting paid by the LED Council or something? Stop mentioning LED's! :P
YOUR A GOOD BOY RICHARD
That type of exhaust duct is not recommended for dryer use as lint can easily get trapped and possibly cause a fire.
Is there a reason you're using steel piping as opposed to polyurethane which is being used as a replacement for many gas mains?
Plastic pipes are only allowed underground and not inside/outside buildings.
IPC and UPC, both model plumbing codes in the United States, call for laquored black iron pipe, or copper is allowed on propane systems. Most pipe fitters do thread their own on site from 21ft sticks, off their truck. And they use pipe dope almost universally. In some states, you'll find a left-right nipple and coupling used instead of unions.
Fast Forward to 2023. All they need is a GE All in One. No need for gas, venting or a 240 volt outlet.
12/2 with ground Romex works on furnaces appliances and bathroom circuits
Viktor Osipov Well done.
All of the electrical is a mess in that house. A fire just waiting to happen. I agree with you guys about the flex duct, pretty cheesey. I didn't expect to see this on ATOH.
Between steel and copper which is the best for gas piping....
Steel is for gas and copper is for water.
@@R_A_3000 not necessarily Rene. Copper IS used for various gas lines... especially in hospitals.
Great Episode!
Are these home owner actors? Or how to we get this old house to come to our house? Just wondering
You contact the show saying your project and they come. Note that you still have to pay for most of it. You just get reduced price on labour.
Good project
I have a electric dryer instead of the additional gas I only have one 240 Volt plug and it’s in the best place for a dryer so my only option was electric
(With no gas lines) and no 120 volt plug only 240
I just happen to have a wooden window to run the vent through lol, but good information.
That "window" faces a back area where someone can break in. Also, do you really want a window on a secluded side of the basement when your family is down there doing work? I've plugged windows with reinforced wood for said reasons.
Nice 👍😄😁
I love this couple. They are perfect together. I love how you guys empower them. I love This Old House
right, cause they will be divorced within a year and/or the black daddy will be long gone. lmao
What about gas operated central air conditioner or ac unit
I have a question about the diameter of the outlet on the meter. It is currently 1" diameter. I will have somewhere about 90' of pipe from the meter to the furthest appliance. So I would like to attach a 1.5" pipe to the meter. Can you install a 1.5" diameter outlet on the gas meter with 1" outlet? From my understanding, attaching 1.5" pipe to the 1" outlet on the meter would create a bottle neck right there? Thanks
When I open the gas valve… is it normal to hear it sound? How lo h should I leave the gas open? I can actually smell gas…
OH SNAP NEW THIS OLD HOUSE
beautiful family
Can you come Michigan please we dishwasher install in the new faucet and sink fixed
Good job guys 👍🏻😉
Well I was going to comment about the flexible duct, instead of rigid but I see there was already a few posts on it .
grandn 86 wait what’s so better about flexible?
I think you misunderstood my comment. Rigid venting to me is much better, There is more chance of lint getting built up inside the ribs of flexible venting. To me, not a good idea, especially with it being a gas dryer.
they don't talk about the details.. size of duct, size of flex gas line fittings
good upload boys keep it up
@This Old House How much does it cost for someone to do it??? I have in Atlanta,Ga...
When to choose a rigid v. flex vent? Another recent dryer install video showed using rigid vent pipe. Neither indicates when one form is more suitable to a situation than the other.
I have no idea why he chose that vent duct. Best would be rigid but secondarily there is a semi rigid one that's kind of in-between
Hard pipe and elbows are always preferred over the flexible duct, if you are going to use flexible duct use as little as possible. Its only used so that you can make the connection and have the dryer be closer to the wall. Connecting hard pipe to the dryer when it up against the wall can be very difficult.
I'm just going to add here that it's not as much about younger men not having the mechanical ability it's about them not having been introduced to a culture where you understand that you do have the mechanical ability You just have to dive in and figure it out. I've started more projects in my life that I had no idea how I was going to finish but I knew I either had a group of friends that knew or nowadays I had RUclips. Unless it was something that was inherently dangerous I was more than willing to jump in and still am. So more than the mechanical knowledge that my dad gave me which was largely directed at engines that use points and chokes and carburetors which is useless now or how you can put white lead in a differential and make it act like new for a little while, he let me know that I can figure it out. My kid comes home with a busted radiator... You go buy one and you put it in. RUclips is your best friend now
I wish I can do this
That montage music just touches my soul.
I'm surprised Richard used that flexible exhaust and not the smooth bore type ?
Yes, that flexible ducting is a fire hazard
If you clean or replace it every year. It should be fine.
In tests simulating a real dryer fire, the rigid ducts burn though in under a minute anyways. It will flow better, and is a bit more fire resistant, but it will still likely burn. Although I assume he did it since it works fine and is way cheaper and easier.
@@g36killer, No doubt, but with such a short easy install, I just figured he would have used the smooth duct, that's all.
@@g36killer If you use rigid duct you don't have to clean it out almost ever!
That washer is one of the new 2018 Kenmore Elite top load washers with an agitator. At least they have a good taste on functional laundry appliances.
And what happens to the warranty or parts availability when Sears goes out of business within the next year or so??? There hasn't been a Sears store in my area for the past 5-6 years either.
@@aaronbays4 nothing will happen Kenmore is for sale, so it will be the same!
@@aaronbays4 someone will buy Kenmore and retain service contracts. When Sears sold Craftsman, Stanley Black & Decker agreed to take over the famous lifetime warranty. The same will happen with Kenmore.
Whirlpool makes Kenmore dryer.
Hi TOH I'm your first thumbs up ! 👍☺
i think i would have them run a new circuit vs using gas...
Хороший проект👍
I have the exact same GE gas dryer. Used once a week for 30 minutes, only on low. A year and half old. Now, no power. Replaced door switch, that did not solve the problem. GE is coming out to fix it. VERY Disappointing because it was a $900 dryer barely used.
My electric dryer (Roper/Whirlpool) had a no-start condition. The door switch, thermal fuses, timer, and motor all seemed good and the fuses and door switch tested OK. First I replaced the timer, no luck. Tried replacing the thermal fuse for fun since they're about $1-2 each when bought in bulk. Still no luck, but I do have enough dryer thermal fuses for the rest of my life. I broke down and ordered a new motor. STILL NO LUCK. Argh that thing was expensive!
It turned out to be the motor wiring harness clip thing not making a good connection with the motor. A zip tie tied gently but snugly around a loop of the motor wires tightened things up and it's been running fine for over a year. A $0.05 zip tie fixed the problem. *smack*
Gas dryers are going to be a little more complex than electric, but electric are so simple (with lots of safety features) that I can't imagine that the gas variants are that much more complex. If GE will fix it under warranty, good for you! If not, go with the simplest things first. AppliancePartsPros and RUclips videos are your friend. Also the people on DoItYourself.com can be helpful (or at least they'll try).
Nice lint trap. Richard trying to take out family slowly
Magnificent 👍
I dont think I would ever use the mylar exhaust hose for a gas dryer. You could easily tear or rip it and have poisonous gases enter your home. Consider using sheet metal ducting and metal tape the seams. CHEERS :)
What is the larger-dark-fitting attached to the yellow flex line? @ 7:23 (not the Union fitting in his hand) That fitting does NOT come with the flex gas line. Once I figure this out I am going to make a video as all "gas dryer installation" videos do not say what that fitting is. I purchased the brasscraft flex line but am unable to connect to our gas dryer (new 2020).
laying on the dryer attached to the end of the flex line @ 7:23
1/2"x3/8" coupling
60amp service? what is this, the 20s? lmfao damn upgrade that panel!
In europe we have 16A service usually
It's 230v and not 110 but it would still be not more than 32 A, and we live with it
i have 100 AMPS
It's cast iron, not steel
Surprised to see the utilization of flex hose for ventilation
What is cast iron, the pipes?! You sure they aren't steel
@@flat-earther Hi! I misspoke - it's technically steel
Richard, seriously? Flex duct? You rail against this and have even replaced it in other videos showing it's failures and downside with lint. Easiest run to do with rigid pipe, this was just beyond lazy. If you use rigid pipe you will almost never have to clean it. With heating/cooling cycles over time this mylar flex duct degrades and can open up.
Was thinking the same thing, it's a straight shot too with the only elbows at the drier and the hole in the wall.
You read my mind. I specifically remember the video of them comparing vent duct types.
Between having to run the duct between a window boarded up with uninsulated plywood, and a 60A breaker box, I think he just wanted to get out of there. Did you see that he didn't even plug the dryer into the closest outlet? It probably didn't even work. I think the demo on having to run gas pipe was enough entertainment value. The homeowner could barely squeeze into the side of the house to help run the duct. This house didn't have a washer and dryer because it seriously wasn't equipped to handle it. I think Rich did his best in the time and budget allotted.
@@Skammerd True, home owner probably bought the washer/dryer set (because for some reason they give you deals if you buy both but not just one), plus he bought the vent kit too and Rich just did the installation of the gas pipe to make it all happen.
Heck the floor of the basement almost looked like dirt.
@@Mike__B I think it's what they call a "cellar" up there in New England. Actual stone foundation wall!
Gas!
Do u need pipe dope for flex gas connect?
Teflon tape
@@jakemanwhonneedscookies rated for gas, I think it's yellow compared to regular white for water.
What happened to plumbers putty? 🤣
Bad choice using foil hose
1:16 Anyone guess just how old that breaker panel is?
Likely not that old. Depending on how old the house is, it may not be original. I would think it was have fuses if it were older than say 50 or 60 years
1980s? Maybe. It has breakers so i cant be that old.
I-T-E became ITE Imperial sometime in the 60's. They used that name until purchased by BBC (now ASEA Brown Boveri) in 1976, so that box would be from sometimes in the 60's until 1976.
TheOtherBill I had two rewatch that part two times to figure out where you saw the brand. Good eye!
Not that old. My parents' house had a 30 amp service with glass fuses until the late 90's. No A/C and gas appliances made it perfectly workable.
The drip leg is not up to code.
Do you have any recommendations of licensed professionals in the Baltimore MD area, to do a walk through of my home we would love to know if we have the necessary pipes in our house and which should we install, a gas or electric washer and dryer?
Richard reaction was priceless. Just call a licensed electrician. Have him upgrade the electrical panel. Then have him install a dedicated 220V outlet for the dryer.
Are you gonna pay the hefty cost to do that ?
Are heat pump dryers common in the US?
I'm not sure I've ever seen one at a typical appliance store. Cost/benefit just isn't there I guess.
@@oambrosia In Europe pretty much all of them are using heat pump technology.
@@sulkijatarra Yeah, I can see a heat pump being more efficient than conventional (read: old) tech. But energy is relatively cheap in the US making the additional cost less appealing.
@@sulkijatarra energy is much more expensive in Europe.
No.
What min did he hook up to the main line
That basement wall looks disgusting. Anyone want to know how to fix it?
Probably power wash it and then paint it.
You can cement finish the wall.
Sell the house?
First time hearing about a gas dryer. At least here in Germany / Europe they are allways electric, and nowadays with efficient heatpipes. But of course here we have 220/240 volt all the time on every outlet, so dryers can go on any outlet.
Gas dryers cost about $100 more, but are more efficient/cheaper to run.
Some states, including California, are starting to ban gas appliances for new construction because natural gas is a carbon-based fuel.
@@n9wox *Commiefornia
Hey
the vent hose looks like a mickey mouse job
I didn't even know that thing exists. :D
This has got to be the clueless couple I've scene on TOH. She's goofier than goofy and he's dumber than dumber.
@@robb9702 Goofy? I'm guessing you don't have a mirror Robert?
Knowing how crooked I I am I would hook the gas line to other family’s line..
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Why did he use the farthest outlet away from the window?
Trevor Phillips had an old house like that with 100amps service. All the outlets were in 3 20amp breakers so if I had to guess plugging into the closet one may of popped the breaker due to over load. Had to play the what you wanna run where game all the time just like she said with ac or hair dryer.
I was thinking it may be because it's a duplex and that other outlet may be on the other unit's meter. Either that or perhaps the closer outlet is on the same circuit as their A/C or some other high-drain appliance.
Should not be using a flexible duct
Should be rigid
Everbody commenting on the flexible duck used. RELAX everything is going to be alright.
so they cant dry clothes by hanging them?
No. Let me guess... you have an outhouse?
@@stevesullivan9752 no but we still dry our clothes by hanging lmao its almost free
Just have to watch that your dryer won’t starve your furnace for gas
Plumbers putty, now pipe dope.
shoulda just upgraded the panel and went electric,gonna have to be upgrade anyway
Upgrading the panel...
yea expect a hefty price tag
I have an electric dryer but my house has the gas line in the laundry room. My next one will be gas. Gas is almost half the cost if electricity
Upgrade the panel .......new service with 100 amp...two family home...3500 plus
Sure but Richard had the gas dryer in his van he was trying to off load. Had to talk them into that option :)
Mark Warrington who in their right mind would use a electric dryer? If you dont have natural gas get propane.......
A lot of people in this comment section must be sponsored by Rigid.
Is that really just plywood for the window? No insulation or glass?
The plastic pipe on the vent doesnt meet code where I live. I wouldve hard piped it in actual tin.
Does a dryer create enough heat/force to push the lint out that vent? Seems like you might get a lot of clogs
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I have a had dryer collecting dust anyone want it?
She goes to the laundromat.
Richard: *talks about male threads*
The threads: "did you just assume my gender?" Haha jk I'm just bugging ya. Great video for sure 👍
males need lube. . . lmao
That flex hose for the venting, soundings like a call to the Fire dept is commng soon
I didn't even know gas dryers even existed. These seem harder to install. Usually, most retailers include the installation when purchasing a new washer and dryer. I wonder if they would include it as well for gas dryers.
They include installation as far as the flex-line lookup. Anything more they won't touch. Gas dryers are awesome for the reasons mentioned; more power and gas is cheap compared to electricity.
Drying time for gas dryers is much faster than electric. Cycle time for my gas dryer is about the same as my top-load washing machine, which means that the dryer doesn't slow down the wash/dry process.
Most people are buying a new gas dryer to replace the original. Simple to hook up. Shut off the gas valve, remove old dryer. Hook line to new dryer, turn on gas valve.