I feel like this channel is becoming more like JxmyHighroller... And I like it! More NBA content creators need to show facts and statistics to push their agendas instead of throwing their ideas around depending on their moods and biases
@@kaizoku8087 everything a youtuber with a lot of subscribers says is not law. you people act like these people aren’t humans and can never be wrong. this man in the video is clearly wrong
@@kanarip8798 Well apparently this RUclipsr who presented principles that are established with facts (can point to a player and determine the level of talent they are) are satisfied and are not argued against,whereas most of these commenters present lists based on opinions which implore bias due the fact that not everyone’s lists will be the same and may even be falsified due to talent level and production,which is stated in this vid too.
@@kanarip8798 You people? Oh wow.what did you mean by you people? Did you mean “you” people,or you “people”? If anyone has shown any inconsistency or incorrectness,it would be you,along with other users imploring lists for their superteam definition.
Why is it so crazy to think the Bucks aren’t a super team with 3 all star level players? Only reason Jrue Holiday hasn’t been a perennial all star is because PG has been so deep recently.
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 come on now you going say with a straight face the Bucks are a super team? NOBODY EVER considered them as that except for one person Stacks lol. But it’s not to take anything away from them. They’re a good team and it proved out by them winning a championship. But they ain’t no super team. People are starting to get carried away with this lol.
@@Wolverine-fd4qc why does it matter if they were considered a super team at first if there has been teams considered super teams that turned out not to be?
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 The only reason he hasn't been a perennial All Star is because he isn't one. Making one All Star team cos position/injuries happens almost every year. Go figure he was an EASTERN All Star, just like Devin Harris...
True. That’s just shows how talented the nba is getting. Let’s think about everything that’s happened since the nba got weaker in the expansion era. Every school in the Balkan Peninsula built a court after petrovic. The Cold War ended so the Soviet Union can now participate in the nba. We now have the basketball without borders program. The leauge had to get weaker in order to get stronger
@@kennethopoku226 they were the model but the big 3 heat were the super team the evolution of the concept, stans changed the term because they don't want there, favorite player to be accused of needing help
Super teams are built and not drafted, I would say that if ANY of the components of the super team in question were DRAFTED by the team then it's not really a super team therefore the GSW team of 2015-2019 was NOT a super team. The Celtics and Lakers of the 80s were NOT super teams.
by your definition, the Lakers are a supersteam. Lebron is the MVP caliber player, AD is the All-NBA performer, and Westbrook is the all star, and all of them are playing at those respective levels currently. Edit: Damn Lakers fans already mad even though I'm just saying their team is really good
1. Russ wasn’t an all star last year, so your argument falls 😂 2. He also mentions FIT, and the fact that Russ with his age and declining play as well as the fit problem it might cause to be next to AD and Bron, makes them not a super team. Try again 😂😂😂😂
No he didn’t, at the time Shaq and Kobe hadn’t built their brand yet, so no one knew they were two of the greatest ever yet, especially Kobe, but when you look back at the 2001 finals and see that they only lost one game in 4 total rounds you realize that yeah, they were a superteam. Everyone knows that was one of the greatest teams in history by roster and by their accomplishments.
Dude this video was quite literally the absolute most perfect thing ever. You basically put into words EVERYTHING that I have been thinking about for a long while now without fail.
Idek why this is a conversation. Got a man who was in the MVP race before being injured. When healthy a top 10 player in AD. And a man who just avg another triple double season. With decent role players around them. Definitely a superteam end of discussion.
Definitely one of the best definitions of a Superteam out there. To me, a Superteam is a Superstar with two other All-Star still playing in that level. That's why the Nets and Warriors are so scary because they both have two Superstars in Harden-KD and Curry-KD.
And you think lebron and AD don't fit there. All you are doing is giving the laker fans an excuse to ise if they do not win the championship this year. Lakers are a superteam and anything other than a title is considered a failure and everyone should shit on them for failing
@@10359877 I’ll be damned if niggas don’t think Westbrook, a mf who averaged 20+ points and almost 12 assists and 12 rebounds wouldn’t make the Lakers a superteam💀
This is an incredibly intelligent dissection of the concept of a "superteam", and I have no issue with LOW's criteria. However, I typically define it a bit less rigorously, as my goal is to use a definition that captures the essence of what I think a superteam should be. I don't want any team that I believe belongs in that category to get left out by my own criteria. Hence, for me, a "superteam" is simply... - A team with 3 or more perennial All-Stars who are all in their prime or currently playing at an "All-NBA level".
A Superteam is when you see current, former, prime All-Stars teaming up and some of them "sacrificing" their personal stats, play a lesser role, to ringchase. You can easily tell - it's an unnatural arc for team constructing. When All-Stars and Superstars suddenly become these 'mercenaries', giving up trying to win with their respective franchises. This Lakers team is surely a Superteam - all the tampering and 'name' players alone make it one.
Tampering has nothing to do with a super team. Super Tema is defined by the talent on the team, not how it got acquired. And your definition is so ass 😂 3 all stars? So is Gobert Conley and Mitchell a super team cuz they were all stars this year, or does that not fit your narrative? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Even if you want to argue Conley isn’t in his prime, is replacing Lavine with Conley rn make the Jazz a super team?
@@Nahanoo Oh Gobert and Conley are Superstars? Nope, only Mitchell is a Superstar, and a young one at that (pre-prime). Also, the Jazz were assembled organically. So what are you whining about? Were the Warriors a Superteam before Durant? Nope. They were organically put together. How about KG's Celtics? Yup, mercenaries. Yup, Superteam. LeBron's Heat and Cavs? Yup, mercs. Yup, Superteam. Your arguments are so ass. You need to recruit some braincells cause clearly you don't have them organically.
I define super team as 3 players who averaged 20+ the year prior hooking up. Bron/Wade/Bosh for example. Both the Nets and current Lakers fit the bill. The Jazz do not. The 90s Bulls didnt either, because Grant and Rodman were never scorers.
3 all star, 2 top 5 player in the league assume health, 1 former mvp that still in his prime, and a heck ton of former all star. It is a super team. Period.
Wtf? Dwight, Melo, Rondo and DJ haven’t been all star level players in 5 years at least they’re role players. I swear LeBron could play with someone that made 1 all star 8 years ago and y’all would still big it up.
@@Darkboi389 so? Former all stars as your role player, with 3 actual current all star, that is literally definition of SuperTeam. It is even worse than argue the Net isn't a superteam. Just fucking stop.
@@iamkailong Yea I really don't get why so many people try to force narrative that lakers are not super team. Lebron is top 3 player if not nr. 1, AD is, well top 7, and Russ top 20. That alone is superteam worthy and on top of that you have so many quality role players, its just insane. If Nets are crazy team that doesn't mean LA is not as well.
One of the points of the video, is that you shouldn't label them a super team until you get to see how they play THIS season, (Russ, Bron and AD). Some players rapidly decline in an off season, like 2018 thunder with Russ, PG-13 and Melo, with Melo declining.
Agreed. And That’s why the 80’s battles were so epic - there were 76ers, Lakers, and Celtics all battling which made it fair year to year and so competitive
The definition of superteam was best described by nba 2k in-game commentators; "you become a superteam if you win a lot." thats true. if you're a super team and you lose, people will have excuses like injuries or people being past their primes. you can only say that a team is a superteam after the season
That’s not true the San Antonio spurs weren’t a superteam, the Détroit Pistons of the mid 2000’s wasn’t a superteam, The Dallas Mavericks of the 2000´s wasn’t a superteam, The Phoenix Suns of Nash wasn’t a Superteam…. All depends on what you mean by “win a lot”. You talking about what Regular season game ? , Deep playoffs runs ? , winning multiple championships ?
Biggest superteam letdown are u serious? Kobe was 34 out his prime but still balling, tore his achille trying to do too much on his own.. howard coming off back injury and has never been the same since, Nash near 40, way past his prime and barely played. A 26 years old kobe, a 30 years old Nash, and Orlando magic Howard would have made it a superteam...that lakers team was nowhere near the 2012 miami heats with lebron, wade, bosh, ray Allen etc...
Also the 96 bulls don’t qualify under your standard I believe, they have no third perennial all star (Rodman was only a two time all star in his entire career and the latest one was 3 years before that season) and of course he was very much a one way player
I mean do you not think being so good at rebounding and defense without anything else can put you at an all star level. Because personally I do, but it’s a matter of opinion and get where you’re coming from
Dennis before 96's was 7xAll-Defense and 4xRebound leader. He might be one-way player but until then he was a superstar on that end, so how he is not an all-star caliber player?
@@vielotal2461 idk i think it's a little weird that dennis rodman seems to be like the only case of a guy like that being considered an all star level talent. i guess it is probably just bc being on those bulls put a spotlight on him but like for example i never see someone like dikembe mutombo praised in the same way
@@everythingin2544 i mean in a literal sense he was rarely ever an all star so semantics wise he's not a perennial all star player. and his status as pretty much an offensive liability + being a defensive "superstar" that still wasn't a great rim protector makes me tend to think he was a bit overrated
@@swochchhandashrestha8738 I agree with you completely. I normally love Low's content, but this was bad, though I liked his overall definition. I was confused when he said the 96 bulls are def a superteam when they didn't meet his own criteria, but then say lebron's heat aren't one when they do meet the criteria. Even Lebron's Cavs met those criteria, not even mentioned. Let's be real, Rodman prolly wasn't a better player than love or bosh, def not bosh. I feel like LOW is having one of those lebron is the greatest type of days cuz this video is sloppy.
I think they can have a few definitions this being one of them. Others that can qualify would be teams like the lakers and clippers from the last two years, because in a league of duo’s they had by far the best duos and supporting pieces around them that in contrast to the test of the league, they would have to be called a superteam. Also the way that they’re formed matters. The 15 and 16 warriors can’t be super teams for example because their mvp all nba and all star players were all drafted and developed by the warriors. Also I would personally call the 08 celtics a superteam but since superteams are usually used in a negative way, they wouldn’t be viewed that way since allen and kg weren’t demanding trades to the Celtics in order to form that team. They were traded there and that was that. Also the nets had the KD and kyrie duo and got the opportunity to trade for harden, which isn’t the same as the heat forming intentionally thru free agency at the same time, or the 15 Cavs being formed thru lebron signing and only singing because he knew the best pf in the league at the time would be coming shortly after. The same goes for those lakers and clippers teams where ad and pg forced trades in order to team up with lebron and kawhi. The fact is the way they were formed also matters. One last note: no one should ever be hesitant to throw the superteam label on teams like the lakers this year or that 18 thunder team before the season starts. Unless a team like the mentioned rockets are just clearly past their primes, they should be called a superteam, and if they don’t reach expectations that doesn’t mean they weren’t a superteam, but rather they just failed as one, thus getting the failed superteam label.
Stop. Now you’re trying to say duo’s are super teams? You realize the guys you’re trying to count nobody wanted? Rondo had a bad reputation and nobody wanted him so he signed two 1 year contracts and Dwight literally signed for the vet minimum off the streets and had no suitors.
@@Darkboi389 if there is a team that supposedly has the number one and 2 players in the league and one of the best supporting casts in the league, while every other team has a duo not trio’s yes that was a superteam. Imagine if u had a team with Giannis and KD (assuming u have them as the 2 best players in the nba rn) plus one of the best supporting casts, and there’s no team that has a big three, that’s a superteam. If a team is that much better in contrast to everyone else they can be called a superteam
I only know about you through peer to peer. How come I didn’t know about this channel sooner. This is some of the best basketball analysis I have seen on RUclips
@@Robertedwinhouse38 They are definitely a superteam. Lebron is known as a the best player in the league if not Top 5. AD is also a Top 10 player in the league was a Top 5 in MVP and DPOTY in the year prior. Russ is an MVP caliber player. Nunn and Melo are 15+ppg players with Rondo, Howard, Bazemore, Monk, Tucker, and Ariza who are all great role players. If that’s not a Superteam then how tf are the 17/18 Warriors a superteam? Is McGee, Pachulia, Livingston, David West better role players?? Is Russ not better than Klay and Dray??
@@nofalling9955 good argument, 17-18 wasn't a superteam just good draft picks down the line we will have some more teams like that with young talent improving year after year.
I agree with the definition but also I think the 2017-2019 Warrier and 2020-2022 Nets are in a category above "superteam" because they contain 2 perennial MVP candidates in addition to an all-NBA talent
What's different is Lebron openly recruited All-star players to win while the players from the past managed who their personnel were, and adjusted on their strengths and weaknesses.
So you didn't mention something that I was expecting: that a superteam has to be pieced together via trades/free agency. I don't think it counts if the team drafts all the players. In music, a "superband" is a band consisting of members of other bands that have already proven themselves (e.g. the traveling wilburys featuring bob dylan, tom petty, roy orbison, etc.). The beatles wouldn't be considered a superband. Is this comparison wrong?
Not at all. OKC drafted their "big 3" (KD, Russ, Beard). That's how it's supposed to be done. Celtics too (Bird, McHale, Parrish) Lakers good "GM-ing" got the high draft picks despite being good teams that completed their "big 3", years after getting Kareem in "free agency". "Superband" would indeed be: Eric Clapton on guitar Phill Collins on drums Paul McCartney on bass Kurt Cobain sings
@@darrengordon-hill I mean... it just seems to me that a superteam stems from the genius/obvious idea of "let's put these great players, who have already proven themselves, together on the same team." Drafting well just seems like good luck. Was anyone calling the warriors pre-KD a superteam? Or the 2014 spurs? Not to my recollection.
@@Zanzibarbarian88 I get that A LOT!! Me: agrees with OP OP: You're an idiot Me: for agreeing with you?? Sonics drafted KD and barely won 20 games Added Russ the next year; no great improvement (still dealing with old/bad contracts etc) Year after they get Harden... then Ibaka... the Nenad Kristic's & Pape Sow's contracts ended/were traded out, Sefolosha & Perkins in... they've barely looked back since - "how it's supposed to be".
Great video! I think it's good you put your definition and your arguments for it and made your point. I think it's a term that does get tossed around too easily. Whenever there is converging talent on a team it's quickly labelled a super team. I was a bit surprised that you didn't talk about the criteria of how the team gets formed. I know a lot of people consider free agency signings and player forced trades to be part of the definition as opposed to teams that got drafted or traded by teams without the player forcing it as part of the thought. Good stuff!
A superteam is nothing more than three or four top players teaming up in the peak of their powers. It’s that simple. Y’all can keep moving the goal post all you want to feed a narrative but that’s the definition of a superteam.
1. So a team with with the 18th, 19th, 20th best player in the league is a super team? 2. That’s YOUR definition of a super team. Stop talking like this some text book definition.
@@no.9292 what lol ? Tell me ur joking. Ur saying he's better then zion kat Beal lavine Middleton donovan booker Tatum butler and PG kyrie and ayton, lowry cp3 and brown, ja morant fox?
I like criteria but, for me, a superteam needs 2 or more superstars. Simple as that but my definition of superstar is restricting: best player and no.1 option on a championship team or the ability to be with preference to those who proved it. So, I only have 5 superstars (Kawhi, Giannis, Steph, KD, and Lebron) with 3 yet to win superstars (Luka, Harden, Embiid)
Some good points but some mistakes. First, a superteam consists of 3 franchise caliber players that teams would want to build their team around, and yes that includes an MVP caliber player. But two things are different. 1. Can't be home grown. At least one has played elsewhere and ideally arrived at their peak 2. Results don't matter. You are labelled a superteam before all players have even suited together.
A superteam is based on how good the team is, not circumstance. It doesn’t matter if they’re homegrown or not. If they’re a superteam, they’re a superteam
I have some deffinition too, regarding the fact that the word "superteam" has it's negative meaning too. The bad about forming superteams is bringing other franchises cornerstones and making them play second fiddle. And it's not the same as growing into a superstar level but staying with your team, but leaving the team you are carrying on your shoulders to become a spot up shooter in a contender.
Superteams can't be determined AFTER the fact. You can't wait to see how it turns out to classify them as a superteam. In other words it not about the results. Its about the components involved and the INTENTIONS of those individual components to collectively elevate their legacies similar to a SUPER GROUP in hip hop àla The Firm, Westside Connection, Slaughterhouse, the HRSMN, Run The Jewels, etc.
Well, we know who *is* a superteam this year 😆 Good vid L.O.W. Thorough breakdowns like these are desperately needed to correct the superficial discourse that pervade discussions of the game today.
I think I might've gone a little braindead when Low casually said that russ has been on teams that "benefitted his playstyle his entire career", whilst forgetting that the thunder started roberson at shooting guard for multiple years. Until the rockets tbh hed never been on a team with adequate spacing. I mean Low consistently hates on russ so Im not surprised. Just dont wanna hear shit if the lakers win the chip this year, considering he basically said he doesn't think the lakers will work numerous times, and even made this whole video to basically insinuate that.
@@darrengordon-hill key word: non shooter. Who would’ve thought that the thunder spacing would be bad when russ can’t shoot 3s and Roberson can’t even shoot. I mean u just explained it yourself, that’s why russ had to play hero ball, cuz his costar pg dropped 4 in elimination games and he had no spacing. Like can u honestly say that a team with horrible spacing is a team built for a slashing playmaker like russ?
“Super team” is a dumb term, anyone can beat anyone on any given night. Some teams are more talented than others but not every great team is a super team. The whole super team bs should be dropped all together.
@@jamalwalker04 Chris Paul doesn’t go out rockets win (different year Ik but close to the same roster) I don’t think any team has ever truly been unbeatable it’s basketball. Hell even the dream team lost a scrimmage
@@swishcountyproductions I said 2017 warriors which were different from the 18 warriors. the 2017 warriors are unbeatable the death lineup is can't be beaten more than once
We have to put the whole team in this argument not just a few top players. The COACHES count! The role players play a major role also. The warriors were deadly with Barbosa and Livingston and Wesley coming off that bench to keep or extend leads. Having three big names can backfire when you guy your bench. The Bulls had energy guys off the bench, ran three centers at the big guys back then and great offensive and defensive assistant coaches along with Phil Jackson. These guys throwing these top names on these teams is a short cut and it is hit or miss.
This video was stupid it's like if you had magic mj kobe lebron shaq and for some reason thay all performed bad in there first season he would say they are not a super team No it just means they performed bad
You saying magic, mj, kobe, lebron and shaq whould all play extremely bad in there prime together as a team is hella dumb and the only reason if the the did whould be if the where old. Something he already talked about in this video
@@abdullahinasrudin2086 no there In there prime but they proform bad ofc they would not but I'm saying even if a super team performs bad you can still call it a super team So if they performed bad would you not call them a super team?
Bro.... westbrook, lebron and davis, is a superteam, no questions about it. Westbrook can easily average a 20 points tripple double still. Any team with current 2 all nba players plus an allstar is automatically a superteam.
A super team is when you have either 3 or more perennial All-NBA players in their prime OR at least 2 of the Big 3 players are either MVP caliber or unmistakably top 10 in the league, accompanied by one or more perennial All-NBA or perennial All-Star players in their prime. They must also appear like an unbeatable team on paper. They also have to fit. Ex: 1971 Lakers, 60s Celtics, 2008 Celtics, 2011-2012 Heat, 2017-2019 Warriors, 87 Lakers, 2021 Nets A Big 3 for me is when 3 great individual talents, 2 of them being at an all star level, each brings a something to the dimension of a team so important to the identity of the team and their playstyle that we cannot deny. Ex: 2015-2016 Warriors, 2015 Clippers, 2005-2007 Spurs, 1996-98 Bulls, 2021 Lakers, 2015-2017 Cavs, 1986 Celtics, 2014 Spurs, 2022 Bucks, Suns, Bulls, Warriors. A dynamic duo is when you have two all nba players on your team with no other all star on the roster Ex: Lakers 2000-2004, Spurs 99, 2020 Lakers,
A say a super team is one superstar and three all stars or two superstars and one all star. Ex: 17 gsw, 18 okc, nets, lakers, 17 cavs For me the lakers meet that criteria. A big three for me is one superstar and two all stars. Ex: 15,16 GSW, 14,15 clips, 21 bucks You do not need to be a big 3 or even super team to be an all time great team the 2013 Spurs are a perfect example
A superstar for me is an arguable top 15 player. Which dame, Curry, kd, ad, Luka, Jokic, embid, trae, cp3, Kawhi, harden, PG, booker, jimmy, Tatum and dmitch.
But LeBron and Anthony Davis is you don’t need all three players to be top 15. And if you’re talking about the 2018 OKC team Russ was definitely top 15 you’re a hater otherwise
And Russ is an all-star caliber player you’re not gonna tell me a man who averages over 20 points lead the league in assists lead guards in rebounds and took his team to the playoffs is not a All-Star. You don’t have been selected in order to be in that category. Ad didn’t make an all star team are we saying he’s not an all stat
A superteam to me is 3 players who are or can be #1 options on a playoff contending team and have performed in high pressure situations, when it matters and in the playoffs(or superstars) on one team not built through the draft.
Nobody never talks about how the Chris Paul prime lead clippers aren’t a super team or even a big three. Why? I can possibly seen that a super team because for me it’s super team is two superstars Then an Allstar but all I saw was one on sup on that team. But a big 3 was certainly what they were
The lob city Clips were a big 3 for sure, but a super team? Nah. At least I never saw them as one: they had a MVP caliber player in CP3, a borderline star in Blake (at least imo) and a borderline all star in DJ. Imo, the Clippers were missing the 3rd allstar and Blake needed to become a consistent star for them to be a super team (and ofc they needed to be healthy). For me DeAndre never was a true allstar and that 3rd guy imo, even in his allstar game appearance and all nba seasons I felt he wasnt it, he didnt had the same impact at his prime like a Draymond at his prime for example: a player that the stats dont tell the hole story. He was a great center, great to elite rebounder and a great defender, but imo never was a true allstar caliber player. At least that team with him were really fun to watch :P.
Been a fan of the Clips since late 2009. Never saw them as a super team because of 1) coaching and 2) front office and ownership. Clips went from Vinny Del Negro (🤢🤢) to Doc Rivers and while that coaching change helped, assigning Doc to be coach AND Pres. of Basketball Ops was a TERRIBLE decision. Not to mention being owned by Donald freakin' Sterling. I can only imagine what the CP3-BG era Clips could do under current ownership and front office management.
I have read both of your comments and I agree it’s nice to know that people remember the late 2010 clips. I personally think 2015 clips were a super team as I finally saw Blake and Chris Paul as superstars and it makes as they beat the Spurs after beating the super team heat. There is no limits for this team but it seems like after they have surpassed expectations they go under them and lose the teams like the Rockets. I personally think that if they made it to the finals and want to ring people will talk about this team as a super team a lot more. But 2015 was honestly it’s only a year I think was a candidate as a superteam the rest of their years I just saw them as a big three and Blake Blake is always weird to me he’s always like in that caliber where he’s talented enough to be called a superstar but doesn’t have the résumé or even the character
To me a true superteam would be a team that is far and away the favourite at the time it is created. Or maby one of the top 2 in the league, but both have to be the clear 2 favourites. Miami big 3. Maby boston big 3(4). Current nets. KD warriors expecialy. Superteams, as anything in sports, should be looked at and defined compared to the era and the league around it.
You said it can’t be a super team if the members don’t play up to their expectations. However you contradict this when pointing out the OKC Thunder super team. Here’s my point - yes, even if the members underperform you can still be called a super team. To me super team is any attempt to stack guys with resumes together quickly and setting the bar really high as far as team expectations goes.
@@lebron3m173 stack them in their prime, they are definitely a superteam no matter of one underperforms or not. You stack Jordan, hakeem, and barkley in their prime in that era it is a superteam point blank. 2011 miami was a superteam eventhough lebron underperformed in the final and they lost, it was a superteam period. If nets make the finals and harden chokes that doesn't make them not a superteam. Aging players no longer in their prime isn't the same as players in their prime underperforming.
why do people act like there is a definitive explanation as to what a superteam is and just completely disregard the fact that it’s completely imaginary?
great vid. russ is a floor raiser, not a ceiling raiser. so while him coming back home should help la much better than people would make you believe, its unreasonable to label a team that hasn’t even played together with some questions a super team.
Superteam term feels so outdated now. Its normal to have 3 20 point/game on a team nowadays. Doesnt make it a superteam because in an era where offense is so significant, these so called “superteams” aren’t even that intimidating and can still be beaten. Bucks had 2 guys that can give you 25+ pts and 1 guy that can chip in at least 15+ but they aren’t a super-team. Nowadays teams can average 114 pts per game while 10 years ago teams averaged around 99-100 which is why the heat looked so OP back then. Idk if this makes any sense lol.
I agree with low’s criteria but I also think that a super team needs to be made thru free agency or a trade. No sane person calls the 2014-15 and 15-16 Warriors a super team because they built their big 3 thru the draft. Curry the mvp, Klay and Dray were both all nba but they weren’t labeled a super team cuz they built thru the draft. When they got KD in the off-season, that’s when they became a true superteam cuz they got him thru FA and he was also a top 5 player. But I did really enjoy this vid!
@@no.9292 Scottie and Jordan was all nba first team and you have Dennis Rodman who was all first defensive team and was leading the league in Rebs per game. Under those circumstances yes the 96 bulls were a superteam
@@no.9292 thats not true because draymond wasn’t as impactful on the defensive end and on rebounding as Rodman. Rodman was averaging a league leading 14 rebs
If a team built off of the draft or a team adding complementary players around a superstar wins a title, and it’s a team the media doesn’t wanna see win, they’ll be called a “superteam” and their win won’t be considered valid. Look at the Bucks for example. Imagine if the Jazz or Nuggets win a title. They’d be accused of being a “superteam” instead of just a “championship caliber team”.
This video is so genius! The breakdown between perennial all stars and all stars. I really want to do videos such as this. But im not good with facts and editing clips into my videos. Is there a possibility for help?
I feel like the bulls only had 1 year that could be considered a superteam. Most of the time they had the greatest player in the league and then every other player wasn’t even considered a top 30 player. Pippen was the 150th most paid player in the league lmao
Meanwhile I feel like the Miami heat had a super team for at LEAST 2 years, I could definitely argue 3. They had 3 top 15 players in the league and they also had some of the top role players in the league EASILY, with Ray Allen, bird man, battier, Norris cole,
The Bulls were never a superteam by this definition. One superstar and one all NBA and then nothing more. Not even the 96 team. It was a great team that played like a well oiled machine and had the best closer ever.
@@torbjornripstrand1103 exactly. Jordan did carried them by himself, I can barely see an argument that says they ever had a superteam, meanwhile almost every team Lebron’s been on has had 2+ future hall of famers
@@BillyBobJoeSurviv I think what made the Bulls great was their defence. They as a Group was very limited offensively, except Jordan, but was all time great at defence. And defence has a lot to do with mindset and willingness to play hard and that was what Jordan demanded from his roster. The only two players that did succeed to some extent before or after the Bulls were Cartwright 5-6 years earlier at NYK and H Grant for some years in Orlando. Pippen couldn’t do it at Houston and Portland
In the music industry, there's the concept of the "supergroup", which is a band or performing group that is formed from members who were already previously famous and successful with their own solo careers or their own previous bands. So to me, a superteam is analogous to this - a situation where NBA players who were already superstars or franchise players team up either through free agency, trades, or both. A highly successful team built entirely through the draft, even if it has multiple all stars or superstars, does not fit this definition. So as crazy as it may sound, the 73-9 Warriors were not a superteam. However, when KD joined the next season via free agency, THEN the Warriors became a full-on superteam. I acknowledge there is some grey area though - If it were just KD and Curry on the team with no Klay or Draymond, then I'm not entirely sure if it's a superteam.
So the 23rd, 24th, 25th player in the league together is a super team? 😂😂😂 Conley Gobert and Mitchell are super team? Derozan Lavine Ball Vucevic are a super team? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jrue Giannis Middleton??
Its not about being an all star in a vacuum, its about how players come together. Players being drafted + developing into all stars over time doesnt fit the definition. But players who are already established all stars and coming together via free agency or forcing a trade in the peak of their prime does fit the definition
A superteam to me is any team that combines 3 players that averaged 20+ before they got together. Any time you have 3 guys who have been recent MVP candidates on one team, then we're talking super DUPER team.
First and foremost great video. Lebron was first or second in the mvp race last year. AD is all nba caliber player and Russ is all star caliber. You got 3 hof coming off the bench in Melo Dwight and Rondo.
When I think of a supperteam is when a team has atleast 2 all NBA players still at or near their prime and atleast one all star at or near his prime. BTW by prime im not referring only at their age, I mean their production.
For me there are 2 types of superteams: on paper and in effectiveness. On paper is for example this year lakers team with LeBron, Davis, Westbrook, Melo, etc... And in effectiveness I'd have the 90's decade Bulls, Shaq and Kobe's lakers, Bron's heat and the Warriors dynasty, basicaly very dominant teams, while I don't have an example any team that consistently dominates in the regular season and the playoffs (not necessarily winning, but at least reaching the finals), it could be a team without a top 20 player but if they had 3 straight seasons with 60+ wins and reached the finals they would be effectively a superteam but not a superteam on paper. Even though that's my opinion, I don't disagree with most common definitions.
actually the modern definitions of superteam during this era is when 2 or 3 all stars from different teams joined forces and played on a single team! so the hawks consisting of horford korver teague and millsap doesnt count because they are all homegrown stars and they just became all stars because they became top seed on that same season! also the bucks is not superteam as claimed by stephen jackson because jrue holiday is the only player that joined the bucks ( i will not count brook lopez and jeff teague because mainly they are just complimentary player at this stage).
You said multiple last all stars like they’re in their prime? 😂 are you dumb? Also you have to consider fit and how Russ fits with the team. A team of Jokic KAT Embiid is not a super team cuz of fit. A team of Curry Dame Kyrie isn’t a super team cuz of fit. They have a big 3 and good squad but they ain’t no super team
Lakers are a superteam. Lottery picks and all stars are on this team. The Raptors in the 2019 Finals took down a superteam WITHOUT having to be a superteam. No lottery picks or major free agents. Pure drafts, trades and development. Raptors will be forever something that LeBron isn't: an anomoly.
Oh yeah ignore the fact that Klay and KD were injured yep. Also lottery picks and all stars means nothing if they are past their primes, use your braim
Unrelated but congrats on 200k on the PLAYBACK CHANNEL 🥳
facts congrats L.O.W.‼️‼️‼️
I feel like this channel is becoming more like JxmyHighroller... And I like it! More NBA content creators need to show facts and statistics to push their agendas instead of throwing their ideas around depending on their moods and biases
No offense but LOW has been doing this for a while, he is one of the few good NBA content creators on here
The disrespect
Are you just starting watching LOW?
LOW has always been way better.
@@thareelhelloagain gut has the nerve to name himself after the guy from Black Butler nah bruh you the blonde one
When you’re feeling low, watch LOW
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As a Bucks fan I really enjoyed this. Thanks for posting
Stephen Jackson was really on crack on his take tho.
Fake ring. The Bucks are getting exposed next season
@@stopplzs 😂
@@stopplzs Lml word
@@stopplzs lol rent free.
To me, a super team is when 3 or more top 20 players sign/force a trade to a team and one player has to be top 5
If you watched the vid,you would see that is a false clarification due to the subjectiveness of a “top 20 player”
@@kaizoku8087 everything a youtuber with a lot of subscribers says is not law. you people act like these people aren’t humans and can never be wrong. this man in the video is clearly wrong
@@kanarip8798 Well apparently this RUclipsr who presented principles that are established with facts (can point to a player and determine the level of talent they are) are satisfied and are not argued against,whereas most of these commenters present lists based on opinions which implore bias due the fact that not everyone’s lists will be the same and may even be falsified due to talent level and production,which is stated in this vid too.
@@kanarip8798 You people? Oh wow.what did you mean by you people? Did you mean “you” people,or you “people”? If anyone has shown any inconsistency or incorrectness,it would be you,along with other users imploring lists for their superteam definition.
@@kaizoku8087 so now he’s using facts when in the video he said it’s all subjective 🤣 yall pick and choose
I wanted to jump through the screen and choke Stephen Jackson for calling the Bucks a super team. When he said that on LIVE TV I was like when🤦🏾♂️
*superb
Why is it so crazy to think the Bucks aren’t a super team with 3 all star level players? Only reason Jrue Holiday hasn’t been a perennial all star is because PG has been so deep recently.
@@MrSayWhatIThink23 come on now you going say with a straight face the Bucks are a super team? NOBODY EVER considered them as that except for one person Stacks lol. But it’s not to take anything away from them. They’re a good team and it proved out by them winning a championship. But they ain’t no super team. People are starting to get carried away with this lol.
@@Wolverine-fd4qc why does it matter if they were considered a super team at first if there has been teams considered super teams that turned out not to be?
@@MrSayWhatIThink23
The only reason he hasn't been a perennial All Star is because he isn't one.
Making one All Star team cos position/injuries happens almost every year.
Go figure he was an EASTERN All Star, just like Devin Harris...
The definition of a Superteam is so different than it was just 10 years ago
Wonder who was responsible for that new definition lol
True. That’s just shows how talented the nba is getting. Let’s think about everything that’s happened since the nba got weaker in the expansion era. Every school in the Balkan Peninsula built a court after petrovic. The Cold War ended so the Soviet Union can now participate in the nba. We now have the basketball without borders program. The leauge had to get weaker in order to get stronger
@@NikhilAutar 2008 Celtics but if you got a different agenda go ahead
@@kennethopoku226 they were the model but the big 3 heat were the super team the evolution of the concept, stans changed the term because they don't want there, favorite player to be accused of needing help
Super teams are built and not drafted, I would say that if ANY of the components of the super team in question were DRAFTED by the team then it's not really a super team therefore the GSW team of 2015-2019 was NOT a super team. The Celtics and Lakers of the 80s were NOT super teams.
by your definition, the Lakers are a supersteam. Lebron is the MVP caliber player, AD is the All-NBA performer, and Westbrook is the all star, and all of them are playing at those respective levels currently.
Edit: Damn Lakers fans already mad even though I'm just saying their team is really good
Watch the whole video…
Either you didn’t watch the video or live in a fantasy land where it isn’t the offseason lol
@@killerfoxes2909 watch the video again
Watch the video…
1. Russ wasn’t an all star last year, so your argument falls 😂
2. He also mentions FIT, and the fact that Russ with his age and declining play as well as the fit problem it might cause to be next to AD and Bron, makes them not a super team. Try again 😂😂😂😂
bruh shannon sharpe had a great point at the beginning part of the video
No he didn’t, at the time Shaq and Kobe hadn’t built their brand yet, so no one knew they were two of the greatest ever yet, especially Kobe, but when you look back at the 2001 finals and see that they only lost one game in 4 total rounds you realize that yeah, they were a superteam. Everyone knows that was one of the greatest teams in history by roster and by their accomplishments.
@@sarcasm3605 look at Kobe's stats and performance in those runs, he was a top 5 together with Shaq.
Exactly.
Kobe grew into a star with Shaq. Dude wasn't even a starter his first two seasons. AD was a 5 time allstar before he forced his way to LA.
@@Runforestrun Bruh. Who called 1998 Lakers a super team?
@@Runforestrun Kobe still performed like a star. But you can't call Kobe/Shaq or 2020 Bron/AD a superteam
Dude this video was quite literally the absolute most perfect thing ever. You basically put into words EVERYTHING that I have been thinking about for a long while now without fail.
A super team is 2 superstars and 1 allstar on the same team. A god squad is that shit KD built in GS and Brooklyn and what bron just built in LA
Idek why this is a conversation. Got a man who was in the MVP race before being injured. When healthy a top 10 player in AD. And a man who just avg another triple double season. With decent role players around them. Definitely a superteam end of discussion.
@@antoinepitts6403 facts
LA might be a superteam, but they ain't a God Squad
@@Charlie-jf1me ok… the topic was superteams but yea I agree
That would make the Cavs 2015-2017 a super team and they clearly weren’t
Definitely one of the best definitions of a Superteam out there. To me, a Superteam is a Superstar with two other All-Star still playing in that level. That's why the Nets and Warriors are so scary because they both have two Superstars in Harden-KD and Curry-KD.
And you think lebron and AD don't fit there. All you are doing is giving the laker fans an excuse to ise if they do not win the championship this year. Lakers are a superteam and anything other than a title is considered a failure and everyone should shit on them for failing
So the bucks are a superteam?
how are warriors scary when you said "curry-kd", kd's not on the warriors
@@weneedhim526 I think they meant when KD was on the warriors - they just got the tenses mixed up.
@@10359877 I’ll be damned if niggas don’t think Westbrook, a mf who averaged 20+ points and almost 12 assists and 12 rebounds wouldn’t make the Lakers a superteam💀
This is an incredibly intelligent dissection of the concept of a "superteam", and I have no issue with LOW's criteria.
However, I typically define it a bit less rigorously, as my goal is to use a definition that captures the essence of what I think a superteam should be. I don't want any team that I believe belongs in that category to get left out by my own criteria. Hence, for me, a "superteam" is simply...
- A team with 3 or more perennial All-Stars who are all in their prime or currently playing at an "All-NBA level".
I think 1 has to be 1st team all nba and 1 second team all nba or better as well as 3 all nba
All in their prime? Idk about that
@@itzwakk335 My bad. Made a typo. I meant to say "or", not "and".
Explicitly, "in their prime OR playing at an All-NBA level".
A Superteam is when you see current, former, prime All-Stars teaming up and some of them "sacrificing" their personal stats, play a lesser role, to ringchase.
You can easily tell - it's an unnatural arc for team constructing. When All-Stars and Superstars suddenly become these 'mercenaries', giving up trying to win with their respective franchises.
This Lakers team is surely a Superteam - all the tampering and 'name' players alone make it one.
Tampering has nothing to do with a super team. Super Tema is defined by the talent on the team, not how it got acquired. And your definition is so ass 😂 3 all stars? So is Gobert Conley and Mitchell a super team cuz they were all stars this year, or does that not fit your narrative? 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Even if you want to argue Conley isn’t in his prime, is replacing Lavine with Conley rn make the Jazz a super team?
@@Nahanoo Oh Gobert and Conley are Superstars? Nope, only Mitchell is a Superstar, and a young one at that (pre-prime).
Also, the Jazz were assembled organically. So what are you whining about?
Were the Warriors a Superteam before Durant? Nope. They were organically put together.
How about KG's Celtics? Yup, mercenaries. Yup, Superteam. LeBron's Heat and Cavs? Yup, mercs. Yup, Superteam.
Your arguments are so ass. You need to recruit some braincells cause clearly you don't have them organically.
I define super team as 3 players who averaged 20+ the year prior hooking up. Bron/Wade/Bosh for example. Both the Nets and current Lakers fit the bill. The Jazz do not. The 90s Bulls didnt either, because Grant and Rodman were never scorers.
So the Bulls are a superteam?
I call the Lakers team a retirement home, and their young senior care providers are on the bench
Remember in 2015 they named the entire Atlanta hawks roster player of the month.
Corniest shit I ever seen in my life
Pretty good team, but not one with a superstar
Changing the narrative pure usual, why am I not surprised
3 all star, 2 top 5 player in the league assume health, 1 former mvp that still in his prime, and a heck ton of former all star. It is a super team. Period.
Wtf? Dwight, Melo, Rondo and DJ haven’t been all star level players in 5 years at least they’re role players. I swear LeBron could play with someone that made 1 all star 8 years ago and y’all would still big it up.
@@Darkboi389 just casuals they really counting gasol as an all star when we had him lmao
@@Darkboi389 so? Former all stars as your role player, with 3 actual current all star, that is literally definition of SuperTeam.
It is even worse than argue the Net isn't a superteam. Just fucking stop.
@@iamkailong Yea I really don't get why so many people try to force narrative that lakers are not super team. Lebron is top 3 player if not nr. 1, AD is, well top 7, and Russ top 20. That alone is superteam worthy and on top of that you have so many quality role players, its just insane. If Nets are crazy team that doesn't mean LA is not as well.
One of the points of the video, is that you shouldn't label them a super team until you get to see how they play THIS season, (Russ, Bron and AD). Some players rapidly decline in an off season, like 2018 thunder with Russ, PG-13 and Melo, with Melo declining.
Agreed. And That’s why the 80’s battles were so epic - there were 76ers, Lakers, and Celtics all battling which made it fair year to year and so competitive
damn I won't lie Shannon Sharpe absolutely destroyed Skip there on that clip in the intro that's hilarious 😭
2 MVP caliber players + a third all star = superteam
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The definition of superteam was best described by nba 2k in-game commentators; "you become a superteam if you win a lot." thats true. if you're a super team and you lose, people will have excuses like injuries or people being past their primes. you can only say that a team is a superteam after the season
Exactly. It’s safe to the Nets are a superteam but we don’t know about the Lakers
That’s not true the San Antonio spurs weren’t a superteam, the Détroit Pistons of the mid 2000’s wasn’t a superteam, The Dallas Mavericks of the 2000´s wasn’t a superteam, The Phoenix Suns of Nash wasn’t a Superteam….
All depends on what you mean by “win a lot”.
You talking about what Regular season game ? , Deep playoffs runs ? , winning multiple championships ?
73-9 warriors weren’t a super team🤦🏾♂️just stop. And the nets haven’t won anything yet so that means their not a superteam? That’s just dumb
@@Tech-cy9yo how? The nets haven’t won anything lmao this is a poor definition
@@eternallyg actually u right
Being an all star doesn’t make you a superstar I’m glad someone finally said it lol especially when fans vote them in
Fr.😂🤣
You be doing your research. I really like watching these videos
I’m surprised u didn’t mention the biggest super team letdown in nba history (LA Lakers 2012)
@@kenjordan954 touché well put 👏🏽
Biggest superteam letdown are u serious? Kobe was 34 out his prime but still balling, tore his achille trying to do too much on his own.. howard coming off back injury and has never been the same since, Nash near 40, way past his prime and barely played. A 26 years old kobe, a 30 years old Nash, and Orlando magic Howard would have made it a superteam...that lakers team was nowhere near the 2012 miami heats with lebron, wade, bosh, ray Allen etc...
Not really
@@kbthegoat824 exactly
@@kbthegoat824 yes I’m serious ask anyone in 2012 and they’ll say it’s a super team 🙄
Also the 96 bulls don’t qualify under your standard I believe, they have no third perennial all star (Rodman was only a two time all star in his entire career and the latest one was 3 years before that season) and of course he was very much a one way player
I mean do you not think being so good at rebounding and defense without anything else can put you at an all star level. Because personally I do, but it’s a matter of opinion and get where you’re coming from
Dennis before 96's was 7xAll-Defense and 4xRebound leader. He might be one-way player but until then he was a superstar on that end, so how he is not an all-star caliber player?
@@vielotal2461 idk i think it's a little weird that dennis rodman seems to be like the only case of a guy like that being considered an all star level talent. i guess it is probably just bc being on those bulls put a spotlight on him but like for example i never see someone like dikembe mutombo praised in the same way
@@everythingin2544 i mean in a literal sense he was rarely ever an all star so semantics wise he's not a perennial all star player. and his status as pretty much an offensive liability + being a defensive "superstar" that still wasn't a great rim protector makes me tend to think he was a bit overrated
@@swochchhandashrestha8738 I agree with you completely. I normally love Low's content, but this was bad, though I liked his overall definition. I was confused when he said the 96 bulls are def a superteam when they didn't meet his own criteria, but then say lebron's heat aren't one when they do meet the criteria. Even Lebron's Cavs met those criteria, not even mentioned. Let's be real, Rodman prolly wasn't a better player than love or bosh, def not bosh. I feel like LOW is having one of those lebron is the greatest type of days cuz this video is sloppy.
Amazing video but this man actually said "irregardless" noooo 4:15
I think they can have a few definitions this being one of them. Others that can qualify would be teams like the lakers and clippers from the last two years, because in a league of duo’s they had by far the best duos and supporting pieces around them that in contrast to the test of the league, they would have to be called a superteam. Also the way that they’re formed matters. The 15 and 16 warriors can’t be super teams for example because their mvp all nba and all star players were all drafted and developed by the warriors. Also I would personally call the 08 celtics a superteam but since superteams are usually used in a negative way, they wouldn’t be viewed that way since allen and kg weren’t demanding trades to the Celtics in order to form that team. They were traded there and that was that. Also the nets had the KD and kyrie duo and got the opportunity to trade for harden, which isn’t the same as the heat forming intentionally thru free agency at the same time, or the 15 Cavs being formed thru lebron signing and only singing because he knew the best pf in the league at the time would be coming shortly after. The same goes for those lakers and clippers teams where ad and pg forced trades in order to team up with lebron and kawhi. The fact is the way they were formed also matters. One last note: no one should ever be hesitant to throw the superteam label on teams like the lakers this year or that 18 thunder team before the season starts. Unless a team like the mentioned rockets are just clearly past their primes, they should be called a superteam, and if they don’t reach expectations that doesn’t mean they weren’t a superteam, but rather they just failed as one, thus getting the failed superteam label.
Stop. Now you’re trying to say duo’s are super teams? You realize the guys you’re trying to count nobody wanted? Rondo had a bad reputation and nobody wanted him so he signed two 1 year contracts and Dwight literally signed for the vet minimum off the streets and had no suitors.
@@Darkboi389 if there is a team that supposedly has the number one and 2 players in the league and one of the best supporting casts in the league, while every other team has a duo not trio’s yes that was a superteam. Imagine if u had a team with Giannis and KD (assuming u have them as the 2 best players in the nba rn) plus one of the best supporting casts, and there’s no team that has a big three, that’s a superteam. If a team is that much better in contrast to everyone else they can be called a superteam
I only know about you through peer to peer.
How come I didn’t know about this channel sooner. This is some of the best basketball analysis I have seen on RUclips
Just keep that same energy and don’t call them a super-team if they win.
If they win superteam if they lose it’s cause they’re old
@@nofalling9955 nah even if they win they’re not a super team. Especially compared to real super teams in this era
Stephen Jackson’s dumb stupid biased argument against the Bucks.
@@Robertedwinhouse38 They are definitely a superteam. Lebron is known as a the best player in the league if not Top 5. AD is also a Top 10 player in the league was a Top 5 in MVP and DPOTY in the year prior. Russ is an MVP caliber player. Nunn and Melo are 15+ppg players with Rondo, Howard, Bazemore, Monk, Tucker, and Ariza who are all great role players. If that’s not a Superteam then how tf are the 17/18 Warriors a superteam? Is McGee, Pachulia, Livingston, David West better role players?? Is Russ not better than Klay and Dray??
@@nofalling9955 good argument, 17-18 wasn't a superteam just good draft picks down the line we will have some more teams like that with young talent improving year after year.
I agree with the definition but also I think the 2017-2019 Warrier and 2020-2022 Nets are in a category above "superteam" because they contain 2 perennial MVP candidates in addition to an all-NBA talent
This video is legendary bro the facts,the visuals the concept all around A1 video💪🏾
What's different is Lebron openly recruited All-star players to win while the players from the past managed who their personnel were, and adjusted on their strengths and weaknesses.
Doesn’t matter how you get them. Super team is defined by the talent on the team. Not how you acquired them
So you didn't mention something that I was expecting: that a superteam has to be pieced together via trades/free agency. I don't think it counts if the team drafts all the players. In music, a "superband" is a band consisting of members of other bands that have already proven themselves (e.g. the traveling wilburys featuring bob dylan, tom petty, roy orbison, etc.). The beatles wouldn't be considered a superband. Is this comparison wrong?
Not at all.
OKC drafted their "big 3" (KD, Russ, Beard).
That's how it's supposed to be done.
Celtics too (Bird, McHale, Parrish)
Lakers good "GM-ing" got the high draft picks despite being good teams that completed their "big 3", years after getting Kareem in "free agency".
"Superband" would indeed be:
Eric Clapton on guitar
Phill Collins on drums
Paul McCartney on bass
Kurt Cobain sings
@@darrengordon-hill I mean... it just seems to me that a superteam stems from the genius/obvious idea of "let's put these great players, who have already proven themselves, together on the same team." Drafting well just seems like good luck. Was anyone calling the warriors pre-KD a superteam? Or the 2014 spurs? Not to my recollection.
Or maybe you're agreeing with me? Sorry I may have misunderstood.
@@Zanzibarbarian88
I get that A LOT!!
Me: agrees with OP
OP: You're an idiot
Me: for agreeing with you??
Sonics drafted KD and barely won 20 games
Added Russ the next year; no great improvement (still dealing with old/bad contracts etc)
Year after they get Harden... then Ibaka... the Nenad Kristic's & Pape Sow's contracts ended/were traded out, Sefolosha & Perkins in... they've barely looked back since - "how it's supposed to be".
Great video! I think it's good you put your definition and your arguments for it and made your point. I think it's a term that does get tossed around too easily. Whenever there is converging talent on a team it's quickly labelled a super team. I was a bit surprised that you didn't talk about the criteria of how the team gets formed. I know a lot of people consider free agency signings and player forced trades to be part of the definition as opposed to teams that got drafted or traded by teams without the player forcing it as part of the thought. Good stuff!
A superteam is nothing more than three or four top players teaming up in the peak of their powers. It’s that simple. Y’all can keep moving the goal post all you want to feed a narrative but that’s the definition of a superteam.
So a big 3 and a superteam are just synonyms to you then?
1. So a team with with the 18th, 19th, 20th best player in the league is a super team?
2. That’s YOUR definition of a super team. Stop talking like this some text book definition.
@@Nahanoo whatever makes you feel better.
@@Nahanoo yea i think a team with booker, paul george, and Chris paul (players close to 18th, 19th, 20th best) is a superteam whats your point
@@ryanw9122 that’s not a super team. That’s a big three. Btw they are way higher then that but even then, that’s not a super team
irregardless is not a word
They are 3 future HOF’s and are 3 all stars and top 20 players they are definitely a superteam
I wouldn't say russ is top 20 but okay
@@goldenaura7122 he definitely is ...
@@no.9292 what lol ? Tell me ur joking. Ur saying he's better then zion kat Beal lavine Middleton donovan booker Tatum butler and PG kyrie and ayton, lowry cp3 and brown, ja morant fox?
@@tj5180 a healthy Westbrook is easily top 10-20 at worst
@@Beezy_420 he's nowhere near top 20 or top 10. Stop
I like criteria but, for me, a superteam needs 2 or more superstars. Simple as that but my definition of superstar is restricting: best player and no.1 option on a championship team or the ability to be with preference to those who proved it. So, I only have 5 superstars (Kawhi, Giannis, Steph, KD, and Lebron) with 3 yet to win superstars (Luka, Harden, Embiid)
Dude thank you this needed to be said 💯
We might not be a superteam but we close and contending team, as long as we get the ring that's all that matters
Some good points but some mistakes.
First, a superteam consists of 3 franchise caliber players that teams would want to build their team around, and yes that includes an MVP caliber player.
But two things are different.
1. Can't be home grown. At least one has played elsewhere and ideally arrived at their peak
2. Results don't matter. You are labelled a superteam before all players have even suited together.
Good points
A superteam is based on how good the team is, not circumstance. It doesn’t matter if they’re homegrown or not. If they’re a superteam, they’re a superteam
@@gangg1762 the bucks are not superteam, but they're great. It matters if it's homegrown or not
@@timothyojukwu9718 I agree that the bucks are not a superteam, but it doesn’t matter if they’re home grown or not.
I have some deffinition too, regarding the fact that the word "superteam" has it's negative meaning too. The bad about forming superteams is bringing other franchises cornerstones and making them play second fiddle. And it's not the same as growing into a superstar level but staying with your team, but leaving the team you are carrying on your shoulders to become a spot up shooter in a contender.
The 90s bulls wouldn't fit that criteria, Rodman wasn't a perenial allstar, nor Horace Grant.
Exactly what I said. W. Big 3 sure, not a super team.
Superteams can't be determined AFTER the fact. You can't wait to see how it turns out to classify them as a superteam. In other words it not about the results. Its about the components involved and the INTENTIONS of those individual components to collectively elevate their legacies similar to a SUPER GROUP in hip hop àla The Firm, Westside Connection, Slaughterhouse, the HRSMN, Run The Jewels, etc.
Well, we know who *is* a superteam this year 😆
Good vid L.O.W. Thorough breakdowns like these are desperately needed to correct the superficial discourse that pervade discussions of the game today.
Uh then who
@@jamaalsjourney the nets
@@Jeremy-vp3yr it’s funny it’s like people forget the nets are a super team
This is a great definition, looking forward to using it in the future
I think I might've gone a little braindead when Low casually said that russ has been on teams that "benefitted his playstyle his entire career", whilst forgetting that the thunder started roberson at shooting guard for multiple years. Until the rockets tbh hed never been on a team with adequate spacing. I mean Low consistently hates on russ so Im not surprised. Just dont wanna hear shit if the lakers win the chip this year, considering he basically said he doesn't think the lakers will work numerous times, and even made this whole video to basically insinuate that.
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Roberson: not ball dominant non-shooter.
Sounds like the perfect teammate for "hero ball/My teammates suck so I gotta shoot 18of43"...
exactly. that was a headscratching comment from Low lol
@@darrengordon-hill key word: non shooter. Who would’ve thought that the thunder spacing would be bad when russ can’t shoot 3s and Roberson can’t even shoot. I mean u just explained it yourself, that’s why russ had to play hero ball, cuz his costar pg dropped 4 in elimination games and he had no spacing. Like can u honestly say that a team with horrible spacing is a team built for a slashing playmaker like russ?
@@ShoumikMajumdar
Yes.
Because he's a ball hog that nobody wants to play with.
Got him an MVP and "historic statistical season".
Playback and peer to peer are my go tos! Love the chemistry you and Agent got! Continue ascending
Lost me when you said the lebron-wade-bosh trio wasn't a super team 💀
He said 2014
@Bronsexual Police Department 2014 sped
2014
I think that was a great breakdown this definition should def be spread in the basketball world
A super team is a team with super hero’s on it like the justice league, fantastic 4, and the avengers
2:50 the perfect example for this are the 2021 jazz
“Super team” is a dumb term, anyone can beat anyone on any given night. Some teams are more talented than others but not every great team is a super team. The whole super team bs should be dropped all together.
this statement "anyone can beat anyone on any given night" is true
but it doesnt apply to 7 game series
@@phoenixplayz1581 this no team in the NBA was beating the 17 warriors in a 7 game series superteams were designed for the playoffs
It’s a good term it’s just that people don’t know the definition of it nowadays. I think the Nets are the only true superteam in the right now
@@jamalwalker04 Chris Paul doesn’t go out rockets win (different year Ik but close to the same roster) I don’t think any team has ever truly been unbeatable it’s basketball. Hell even the dream team lost a scrimmage
@@swishcountyproductions I said 2017 warriors which were different from the 18 warriors. the 2017 warriors are unbeatable the death lineup is can't be beaten more than once
We have to put the whole team in this argument not just a few top players. The COACHES count! The role players play a major role also. The warriors were deadly with Barbosa and Livingston and Wesley coming off that bench to keep or extend leads. Having three big names can backfire when you guy your bench.
The Bulls had energy guys off the bench, ran three centers at the big guys back then and great offensive and defensive assistant coaches along with Phil Jackson.
These guys throwing these top names on these teams is a short cut and it is hit or miss.
Having watched the whole video and heard all of your points.
This is straight cap, Lakers are a super team no doubt.
This video was stupid it's like if you had magic mj kobe lebron shaq and for some reason thay all performed bad in there first season he would say they are not a super team
No it just means they performed bad
@@dt-lg2oc this something that never gonna happen so your argument is just dumb
You saying magic, mj, kobe, lebron and shaq whould all play extremely bad in there prime together as a team is hella dumb and the only reason if the the did whould be if the where old. Something he already talked about in this video
@@abdullahinasrudin2086 no there In there prime but they proform bad ofc they would not but I'm saying even if a super team performs bad you can still call it a super team
So if they performed bad would you not call them a super team?
Is that cookin soul I hear in the background? Good job LOW
Bro.... westbrook, lebron and davis, is a superteam, no questions about it. Westbrook can easily average a 20 points tripple double still. Any team with current 2 all nba players plus an allstar is automatically a superteam.
Russ wasn't even an all star
Russ is not on All Nba level, AD is always hurt and Lebron is too old. 2 years ago they would win a ring together.
A super team is when you have either 3 or more perennial All-NBA players in their prime OR at least 2 of the Big 3 players are either MVP caliber or unmistakably top 10 in the league, accompanied by one or more perennial All-NBA or perennial All-Star players in their prime. They must also appear like an unbeatable team on paper. They also have to fit.
Ex: 1971 Lakers, 60s Celtics, 2008 Celtics, 2011-2012 Heat, 2017-2019 Warriors, 87 Lakers, 2021 Nets
A Big 3 for me is when 3 great individual talents, 2 of them being at an all star level, each brings a something to the dimension of a team so important to the identity of the team and their playstyle that we cannot deny.
Ex: 2015-2016 Warriors, 2015 Clippers, 2005-2007 Spurs, 1996-98 Bulls, 2021 Lakers, 2015-2017 Cavs, 1986 Celtics, 2014 Spurs, 2022 Bucks, Suns, Bulls, Warriors.
A dynamic duo is when you have two all nba players on your team with no other all star on the roster
Ex: Lakers 2000-2004, Spurs 99, 2020 Lakers,
2020-21 Bucks isn't a super team and the 2019-20 Lakers isn't a superteam it was a dou. Bron and AD that's it no big 3 just 2 players.
A say a super team is one superstar and three all stars or two superstars and one all star. Ex: 17 gsw, 18 okc, nets, lakers, 17 cavs
For me the lakers meet that criteria.
A big three for me is one superstar and two all stars. Ex: 15,16 GSW, 14,15 clips, 21 bucks
You do not need to be a big 3 or even super team to be an all time great team the 2013 Spurs are a perfect example
A superstar for me is an arguable top 15 player.
Which dame, Curry, kd, ad, Luka, Jokic, embid, trae, cp3, Kawhi, harden, PG, booker, jimmy, Tatum and dmitch.
Westbrook isn’t a top 15 player, nor is he an all star.
But LeBron and Anthony Davis is you don’t need all three players to be top 15.
And if you’re talking about the 2018 OKC team Russ was definitely top 15 you’re a hater otherwise
And Russ is an all-star caliber player you’re not gonna tell me a man who averages over 20 points lead the league in assists lead guards in rebounds and took his team to the playoffs is not a All-Star.
You don’t have been selected in order to be in that category.
Ad didn’t make an all star team are we saying he’s not an all stat
A superteam to me is 3 players who are or can be #1 options on a playoff contending team and have performed in high pressure situations, when it matters and in the playoffs(or superstars) on one team not built through the draft.
Nobody never talks about how the Chris Paul prime lead clippers aren’t a super team or even a big three. Why?
I can possibly seen that a super team because for me it’s super team is two superstars Then an Allstar but all I saw was one on sup on that team.
But a big 3 was certainly what they were
The lob city Clips were a big 3 for sure, but a super team? Nah. At least I never saw them as one: they had a MVP caliber player in CP3, a borderline star in Blake (at least imo) and a borderline all star in DJ.
Imo, the Clippers were missing the 3rd allstar and Blake needed to become a consistent star for them to be a super team (and ofc they needed to be healthy). For me DeAndre never was a true allstar and that 3rd guy imo, even in his allstar game appearance and all nba seasons I felt he wasnt it, he didnt had the same impact at his prime like a Draymond at his prime for example: a player that the stats dont tell the hole story. He was a great center, great to elite rebounder and a great defender, but imo never was a true allstar caliber player.
At least that team with him were really fun to watch :P.
Been a fan of the Clips since late 2009. Never saw them as a super team because of 1) coaching and 2) front office and ownership.
Clips went from Vinny Del Negro (🤢🤢) to Doc Rivers and while that coaching change helped, assigning Doc to be coach AND Pres. of Basketball Ops was a TERRIBLE decision. Not to mention being owned by Donald freakin' Sterling.
I can only imagine what the CP3-BG era Clips could do under current ownership and front office management.
I have read both of your comments and I agree it’s nice to know that people remember the late 2010 clips.
I personally think 2015 clips were a super team as I finally saw Blake and Chris Paul as superstars and it makes as they beat the Spurs after beating the super team heat.
There is no limits for this team but it seems like after they have surpassed expectations they go under them and lose the teams like the Rockets.
I personally think that if they made it to the finals and want to ring people will talk about this team as a super team a lot more.
But 2015 was honestly it’s only a year I think was a candidate as a superteam the rest of their years I just saw them as a big three and Blake Blake is always weird to me he’s always like in that caliber where he’s talented enough to be called a superstar but doesn’t have the résumé or even the character
Still don't understand how this channel doesn't have a mill subs AT LEAST
Westbrook wasn’t an all star, nor did he make an all NBA team. This isn’t a superteam until he plays like one. Period
It’s just the casuals who say that
To me a true superteam would be a team that is far and away the favourite at the time it is created. Or maby one of the top 2 in the league, but both have to be the clear 2 favourites.
Miami big 3. Maby boston big 3(4). Current nets. KD warriors expecialy.
Superteams, as anything in sports, should be looked at and defined compared to the era and the league around it.
Nets aren’t the far and above favourites
Lmao Stephen jack was definitely too faded in that intro clip about the bucks.
You said it can’t be a super team if the members don’t play up to their expectations. However you contradict this when pointing out the OKC Thunder super team. Here’s my point - yes, even if the members underperform you can still be called a super team. To me super team is any attempt to stack guys with resumes together quickly and setting the bar really high as far as team expectations goes.
Lets stack jordan, magic, shaq, bird and get them out of their retirement cuz damnn they have a great resume
@@lebron3m173 stack them in their prime, they are definitely a superteam no matter of one underperforms or not. You stack Jordan, hakeem, and barkley in their prime in that era it is a superteam point blank. 2011 miami was a superteam eventhough lebron underperformed in the final and they lost, it was a superteam period. If nets make the finals and harden chokes that doesn't make them not a superteam. Aging players no longer in their prime isn't the same as players in their prime underperforming.
why do people act like there is a definitive explanation as to what a superteam is and just completely disregard the fact that it’s completely imaginary?
I think this was a really great definition
great vid. russ is a floor raiser, not a ceiling raiser. so while him coming back home should help la much better than people would make you believe, its unreasonable to label a team that hasn’t even played together with some questions a super team.
Superteam term feels so outdated now. Its normal to have 3 20 point/game on a team nowadays. Doesnt make it a superteam because in an era where offense is so significant, these so called “superteams” aren’t even that intimidating and can still be beaten. Bucks had 2 guys that can give you 25+ pts and 1 guy that can chip in at least 15+ but they aren’t a super-team. Nowadays teams can average 114 pts per game while 10 years ago teams averaged around 99-100 which is why the heat looked so OP back then. Idk if this makes any sense lol.
1991 Warriors had 3 players who scorers 20+ ppg
Love your takes on what makes a super team
I agree with low’s criteria but I also think that a super team needs to be made thru free agency or a trade. No sane person calls the 2014-15 and 15-16 Warriors a super team because they built their big 3 thru the draft. Curry the mvp, Klay and Dray were both all nba but they weren’t labeled a super team cuz they built thru the draft. When they got KD in the off-season, that’s when they became a true superteam cuz they got him thru FA and he was also a top 5 player. But I did really enjoy this vid!
1 or more SUPERSTAR in a TEAM IS A SUPERTEAM
This is spot on
I think Bsolz said it best imo.
A super team is a team with championship or bust expectations
So by your logic the 2015 and 2016 Warriors classify as a superteam?
made me rethink my opinion about the 96 bulls. off of those qualifications yes they were a super team
with the videos mindset , the bulls were not a super team....
@@no.9292 Scottie and Jordan was all nba first team and you have Dennis Rodman who was all first defensive team and was leading the league in Rebs per game. Under those circumstances yes the 96 bulls were a superteam
dennis was a drop of its lik saying steph , klay and draymond is a super team,
@@no.9292 thats not true because draymond wasn’t as impactful on the defensive end and on rebounding as Rodman. Rodman was averaging a league leading 14 rebs
If a team built off of the draft or a team adding complementary players around a superstar wins a title, and it’s a team the media doesn’t wanna see win, they’ll be called a “superteam” and their win won’t be considered valid. Look at the Bucks for example.
Imagine if the Jazz or Nuggets win a title. They’d be accused of being a “superteam” instead of just a “championship caliber team”.
This video is so genius! The breakdown between perennial all stars and all stars. I really want to do videos such as this. But im not good with facts and editing clips into my videos. Is there a possibility for help?
I feel like the bulls only had 1 year that could be considered a superteam. Most of the time they had the greatest player in the league and then every other player wasn’t even considered a top 30 player. Pippen was the 150th most paid player in the league lmao
Meanwhile I feel like the Miami heat had a super team for at LEAST 2 years, I could definitely argue 3. They had 3 top 15 players in the league and they also had some of the top role players in the league EASILY, with Ray Allen, bird man, battier, Norris cole,
The Bulls were never a superteam by this definition. One superstar and one all NBA and then nothing more. Not even the 96 team. It was a great team that played like a well oiled machine and had the best closer ever.
@@torbjornripstrand1103 exactly. Jordan did carried them by himself, I can barely see an argument that says they ever had a superteam, meanwhile almost every team Lebron’s been on has had 2+ future hall of famers
@@BillyBobJoeSurviv I think what made the Bulls great was their defence. They as a Group was very limited offensively, except Jordan, but was all time great at defence. And defence has a lot to do with mindset and willingness to play hard and that was what Jordan demanded from his roster.
The only two players that did succeed to some extent before or after the Bulls were Cartwright 5-6 years earlier at NYK and H Grant for some years in Orlando.
Pippen couldn’t do it at Houston and Portland
I thought this was common sense but obviously I’m wrong, thanks for always providing context low
In the music industry, there's the concept of the "supergroup", which is a band or performing group that is formed from members who were already previously famous and successful with their own solo careers or their own previous bands. So to me, a superteam is analogous to this - a situation where NBA players who were already superstars or franchise players team up either through free agency, trades, or both. A highly successful team built entirely through the draft, even if it has multiple all stars or superstars, does not fit this definition.
So as crazy as it may sound, the 73-9 Warriors were not a superteam. However, when KD joined the next season via free agency, THEN the Warriors became a full-on superteam. I acknowledge there is some grey area though - If it were just KD and Curry on the team with no Klay or Draymond, then I'm not entirely sure if it's a superteam.
I always think that superteams are those teams that have 1 mvp caliber and 3 great all stars and great pieces that support the 4 stars
the lakers are a super team
@@no.9292 in your definition maybe yes but mine its a big 3
Pistons were a superteam anybody around at the time felt the same way when Sheed went there
3 mvp caliber players IS a superteam.
3 or more of the top 20-25 players on one team. Nets and Lakers both super teams
So the 23rd, 24th, 25th player in the league together is a super team? 😂😂😂 Conley Gobert and Mitchell are super team? Derozan Lavine Ball Vucevic are a super team? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Jrue Giannis Middleton??
@@Nahanoo derozan, vuc, ball, Jrue aren’t top 25 and Middleton is maybe
@@Nahanoo and neither is Conley
@@Nahanoo 😂😂
This was good logic. The three all star point Made
Its not about being an all star in a vacuum, its about how players come together. Players being drafted + developing into all stars over time doesnt fit the definition. But players who are already established all stars and coming together via free agency or forcing a trade in the peak of their prime does fit the definition
A superteam to me is any team that combines 3 players that averaged 20+ before they got together. Any time you have 3 guys who have been recent MVP candidates on one team, then we're talking super DUPER team.
That’s not definitely not what a superteam is lmao. You’re reaching
So the cavs with LeBron dwade and Isiah Thomas in 2018 were a superteam because they all averaged 20 ppg at one point
@@dododump3144 I'm obviously talking about guys who are still capable. Not guys who are washed up. I mean duh.
@@Tech-cy9yo Yeah okay Bron/KD fanboy.
Really good video, man!
2 superstars (a player that can be the best player on a championship team) and an all star. That’s my definition and I’m sticking with it.
imagine this team being assembled in 2012 or 13
First and foremost great video. Lebron was first or second in the mvp race last year. AD is all nba caliber player and Russ is all star caliber. You got 3 hof coming off the bench in Melo Dwight and Rondo.
When I think of a supperteam is when a team has atleast 2 all NBA players still at or near their prime and atleast one all star at or near his prime. BTW by prime im not referring only at their age, I mean their production.
For me there are 2 types of superteams: on paper and in effectiveness. On paper is for example this year lakers team with LeBron, Davis, Westbrook, Melo, etc... And in effectiveness I'd have the 90's decade Bulls, Shaq and Kobe's lakers, Bron's heat and the Warriors dynasty, basicaly very dominant teams, while I don't have an example any team that consistently dominates in the regular season and the playoffs (not necessarily winning, but at least reaching the finals), it could be a team without a top 20 player but if they had 3 straight seasons with 60+ wins and reached the finals they would be effectively a superteam but not a superteam on paper. Even though that's my opinion, I don't disagree with most common definitions.
I also think these days you need to put 1 or 2 top tier role players as a criteria too
actually the modern definitions of superteam during this era is when 2 or 3 all stars from different teams joined forces and played on a single team! so the hawks consisting of horford korver teague and millsap doesnt count because they are all homegrown stars and they just became all stars because they became top seed on that same season! also the bucks is not superteam as claimed by stephen jackson because jrue holiday is the only player that joined the bucks ( i will not count brook lopez and jeff teague because mainly they are just complimentary player at this stage).
Lakers are definitely a super team bro 💯
How?
@@xpertyt6801 exactly
Lebron and AD by themselves are a championship winning duo, add in Westbrook and multiple past All Stars and they’re definitely a super team.
You said multiple last all stars like they’re in their prime? 😂 are you dumb? Also you have to consider fit and how Russ fits with the team. A team of Jokic KAT Embiid is not a super team cuz of fit. A team of Curry Dame Kyrie isn’t a super team cuz of fit. They have a big 3 and good squad but they ain’t no super team
Lakers are a superteam. Lottery picks and all stars are on this team. The Raptors in the 2019 Finals took down a superteam WITHOUT having to be a superteam. No lottery picks or major free agents. Pure drafts, trades and development. Raptors will be forever something that LeBron isn't: an anomoly.
Oh yeah ignore the fact that Klay and KD were injured yep. Also lottery picks and all stars means nothing if they are past their primes, use your braim
They were favoured to win even with the injuries. Plus injuries shouldn't be an excuse.
@@nicksirju8717 so they beat the warriors fare and square with all teams healthy? Please stop this bullshit