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How to Calibrate and Correct Color and Brightness on a CRT TV, BVM and PVM Using SMPTE Pattern.
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Check out part 2. It details how to correct white balance/grey scale without a probe. • How To Correct White B...
I forgot to mention that you will have to adjust every video setting on your TV independently i.e. Sports, Movie, Pro, Standard.
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yo dude, everytime i pick up a crt i roll out this video- peace!
I miss the simple things in life. Looking at those old color striped screens, watching the tv listings go up the screen.
Wow this was so helpful, my CRT is looking great. I'm gonna go beat a hard game now thank you so much.
Hell yeah
Was that a euphemism?
I haven't owned a crt in 8 years but this makes me want to get one to do this. 😂 I found this video when I saw a retro picture of someone tuning a crt.
Dude you can do all kinds of cool stuff with a crt. Get one! The screen goes psychedelic when you wave magnets around it and you can shoot deadly lightning bolts out of the anode cap.
@@riggel8804 it's super tempting. My spouse would not approve. 😁
@@stellarorbit1341 women hate crts. I make my wife help move my 36 inchers to remind her who wears the pants in my house
I never ever knew how this color pattern was for. thanks a LOT wow.
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I can’t wait to mess around with my CRTs after watching this. Your videos are Gold 🏉
Thanks! I've got a bunch of videos already finished. Should be at least 1 per month coming out through 2022
@@riggel8804 they shall echo through eternity.
The CRT tube can be rejuvenated with the special gear called TV Tester.
Hey guys make sure youre using 240p Test Suite's color bars for the correct console. I was doing it on the Genesis and didn't see any of the three grey/black bars on the bottom right, thought something was wrong with my tv, but I tried SNES instead and they showed up.
This is probably obvious stuff but I'm throwing it out there in case someone makes the same mistake i did
8-bit colors vs. 16-bit
Have the last 50Hz CRT TV Sony produced in Europe, KV-29FX30E, and it has even more options in the service menu than my 20L5, it even shows hours used, errors on different boards , basicly you don't need to open it :). Thanks for the video!
Cool man thanks. Yeah there are a lot of bad ass consumer grade crts out there that people are sleeping on.
@@riggel8804 How many hours would you expect a tube too last? It has 14000 hours.
@@SamsungS-or1qf It's hard to say. Pro tubes are typically replaced around 30 to 40 k hours and I think they are more resistant than consumer tubes. I would guess a consumer tube starts to look tired around 20 k hours. It's not going stop working it will just start looking dim.
@@SamsungS-or1qf The FE-2 chassis is amazing, i have two Kv29ls30e, one with 14900 hours, and one with 3600; they look identical.
I tried doing a two point calibration on my crt with calman and a meter.
I used the service menu for rgb gain/drive to do this. I had the contrast set for 100 nits.
Couldn't really dial it in very well, it actually looked better with default warm setting adjusted with blue filter.
Some of this comes down to taste. I did a color calibration on a friends tv once. His white balance was WAY off. He hated it after I corrected it and I had to try and wack it out for him. I think he just got used to seeing his tv garish and grean pushed.
Some consoles and even some games look better with different white balance. I like live action movies with blue push but prefer games with perfect white balance or even some red push.
I have a sony trinitron kv-36fv16 and mine has gone way green. I tried adjusting the service settings and it helped a little but the way I take it is that there is a Resistor or cap or possibly a cold sotter joint on the neck board. Maybe I'll get the guts to try to fix it one day for now I've been using my sony trinitron kv-13fm13
im having the same issue
damn 36 down to 13. That's rough.
thanks a ton, that was super useful! I've seen the LCD ones but yours is more tailor-made for us retro-gamers.
I'm using RGB on my set and therefore there's no color setting... wondering how I'll be able to tune the SMPTE pattern. I guess I'll have to use the R, G and B gains and cuts?
Btw I'm pretty sure that ''cut'' is for the darker end of the color and ''gain'' is for the lighter end. ''bias'' is sometimes used instead of ''cut''
I've heard that gain is for the bright end before but from my experience you just have to play around with all the settings.
Excellent!.. 🤙..man i would have paid you too come calibrate my sony 36xbr800 if you live in NYC...just use it to watch vhs/dvds..🤙
Ha. I'd do it for a beer. How did it turn out?
@@riggel8804...🍺🍺👌...Man.. i chicken out🐓 Too scared to messed with this beast..she got the better of me..I figure i may just hire a tech to come out ..yup the pint is still on brother...just say when and where to meet up in the big 🍎... U Rock!🤘🤙. Keep up the exceptional content...
This is really helped me with the color and hue settings.
Sweet. as a noobie I love videos like this.
Thanks for the guide, I just got a Toshiba 32af44 (finally a tv with a component support) and I just need a remote to configure this stuff up!
Cool man. That's a bad ass crt. I think I have a review of one on my channel. Any toshiba remote should work. Doesn't have to be the exact model. Just get something close.
@@riggel8804 Yeah your review convinced me to go get one! I'm about to set it up, and wow, component really is a step up from the composite format 😄
I have a crt where I can get it to tint green red or blue but It won't show full color, nothing happens when I turn the color knob, I can only adjust the color bias knobs on the back. It's a 1985 rca x-100
Wow. That's an old one. I don't know what to do. Sorry.
There’s another thing u can do….. if ur comfortable.. you could take the back cover off if you know what you’re doing and adjust the rings on the neck of the tube for Color convergence and purity, brightness and even focus if needed… I did that for my 32 inch Sayno crt… colors are aligned better and it’s brighter… you’ll find there’s 2 knobs one marked focus and the other brightness. I was adjusting everything while also adjusting the settings in the menu….
I've got a video on crt repairs that covers a lot of that stuff.
@@riggel8804 Oh..ok.
@@riggel8804 I didn’t know about that service menu U activated with the remote. That’s really neat.
@@chrisscott5339 yeah I don't know if the tv you mentioned has a sevice menu like that but a lot of TVs do. It's hard to find info on CRTs that aren't Sony
@@riggel8804Nah you can find service manuals online for basically any tv
Great information! Thank you very much for making this video and sharing the knowledge!
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If you keep tinkering with the color service menu settings. I think you can get the color on that set to match your flat screen XBR and BVM. On Your corrected settings you lowered the gcut to 6 and bcut to 10 but You have you green drive at 37 and blue drive at 33, you must lower the green drive. IMO I think your BVM and flatscreen XBR have too much blue color setting, I would lower the blue on those. Just trying to help.
Thanks. I tried messing with the drive setting but didn't have good results. I talked to some guys on redit who suggested I buy a probe and adjust white balance by adjusting gain/bias controls. I'm thinking about doing that
Was messing with my flatscreen xbr today and I think your right. It's too blue.
@@riggel8804 👍yeah I noticed that, My PVM wasn’t as blue for that level. I use the grey color bars to see if it looks off. It’s hard to see it if you use white screen for color correction. Color correction is one of the most important things imo, it vastly improves image quality.
@@gleamingtv3946 good eye
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You should make a video on how to adjust sharpness on a crt
I think you just adjust to taste. Most people like it turned down but it varies from set to set. I usually have it at around 10% to 33%
So informative. A couple questions: are plugged in via RGB, component, or composite? And what does Rgain, Ggain, Bgain, Rcut, Gcut, and Bcut do? Thanks!
Component.
I have a whole video explaining rcut etc. Its called something like "how to adjust white ballance"
@@riggel8804 I'll watch that video. Thanks again!
@@TheMikeyb86 ye
CUT affects to colors intensity on the lower end of grey scale, DRIVE affects the higher end of grey scale. When you start playing with those settings you really need a colorimeter.
@@DrKeez that's right. I got a separate video on how to correct white balance buy eye. I think it's in the description
Mine has good colors but needs more brightness contrast and brightness controls are not helping what can i do? Does it need motherboard repair?
I have a problem. On video 3 (componet output) it looks way greener than the other inputs ( video 1 and 2) any idea on how to fix this ?
Could be bad components. Hard to say without a video to look at. You could try adjusting the white balance on video 3. I have a video on white balance. Good luck!
Cables probably are plugged in wrong
@@Darian-mk1bw nah bro that's not the issue... I wish lmao
Do the flat screen Sonys have an extra piece of glass over the screen or something as compared to the older style black one?
Do you mean like an anti glare film? No. The only CRTs I have seen with those are very high end Pro monitors. The flatscreen Sonys are just a tube in a bezel.
Some flat screen crt’s do have extra glass in the front to make the tube strong enough to hold vacuum without blowing up. My fv300 seems like it’s got an extra half inch in front of where the phosphor coating is. That’s a lot of the reason why flat screen sets are heavier than curved screens. More glass in the front
@@dylanjastle trinitrons are stupid heavy. I had a kv-32fv300.i never noticed an extra layer of glass. I've seen some stylish early 90s zenith's with 2 layers of glass and wood grain. Those tvs swivel
So how did you actually get that colour bar on the screen I didn’t hear you say how that was done ?
I used 240p test suite.
I happened to find that my (very well used) 37" WEGA FD display was too green, I wonder if it was just a thing that happened a lot from factory
They all start to drift after awhile. It's amazing they look as good as they do after 25 years. I got a video on correcting white ballance that might help you.
I couldn't beat Battletoads (yet) so I just crushed Kirby's Dreamland for ya. Suck it King Dede. Also subbed, but that's neither here nor there.
Now you're ready for Crystal Pony
Great video! Really amazing stuff! But I think you forgot to tell us what you do with the "picture/contrast" after you had everything set. Everything seems a little dark
I think I mention it in there somewhere...probably towards the end...anyways, you want to turn it up. Once your color/chroma, tint/hue and brightness are dialed in you leave them alone. Adjust contrast and brightness to taste. It's the only thing you adjust from now on. I adjust it from game to game and movie to movie. Some like it dark some like it bright.
@@riggel8804 you're absolutely right you did mention it later on. I've watched this video countless times and somehow missed that every time. Sorry for that and thanks for the video! You're doing gods work! Cheers
I found it works better to use the color bars and adjust so that all guns are equal down to level 1(barely visable), colors turned out great.
Do you mean you turn the R, G, and B guns all the way down in the service menu?
@Riggel yes i put all colors to 0 in menu(r-drive), then adjusted according to lvl 1 on the color bars map so they all have equal intensity which should be barely visible for lvl 1.
@@SamsungS-or1qf Interesting technique. I haven't tried that.
usually there are color settings for the upper and lower limits in the service menu. I believe on Sonys the drive settings are for the upper limits and bias is for the lower. Did you turn the bias down as well? Sometimes the menu calls it gain instead of bias.
@Riggel i turned it all down and adjusted only r-drives, idk if its a good technique, looks good 😁
I have a 1080i Philips CRT TV. And, in the service menu, I can't find where to turn off every colour individually. There is an option called RGB allign, but, turning R G or B to zero doesn't turn them off-it makes them less blown out, and more when the number is higher... If anyone can help, please let me know.
Purchase a dark blue theater gel to get a blue screen. Look up my "how to correct white balance" video for more detail on how to adjust R, G, and B guns.
@@riggel8804 Allright, thanks :)
@@Melibond64 ye
My pvm is little softly green
The white look like soft pink .
I don't see discoloration in the neck gun.
What can be wrong?.
On screen menu looks great
check out my vid on correcting white balance.
@@riggel8804
I will try tomorrow and will post the results
@@azariayehezkel9064 coo
What setup did you use to display a 240p image from your pc using retroarch?
crtemudriver
I'm really jealous you have a Old school TV as your computer screen.
git u sum crtemudriver boi!
12:15 - at this point the older Trinitron looks better than the newer one(on its side)! New one is too blue - set color temp to neutral or warm!
I agree the color was too blue on the tate tv. I have a link in the description of this video where I demonstrate how to set white balance. I set the white balance on the tate tv in that video and the tv is now less blue.
My TV must be in bad shape.. Cant get the color bars to match up at all
It's weird, on my Trinitron, when I use the blue filter to adjust the colour to the correct setting everything looks really saturated and red. Is it the bias or the cutoff or something that I need to adjust after that?
dont know bruh. Send me a link to a vid I take a look. I got a vid on adjusting white balance....might want to turn down the contrast......?
Ya know what... I just got it. It's a little 21 inch Sony flat screen with just over 15000 hours on it. The geometry's a bit off but the colours pop and it's nice and sharp. It's got a beefy little mono speaker as well. I just played through riot city on it and it looks amazing. The more I use it the more I like it. Rather than worry about colour levels I'm better off just playin some fuckin games on it! 🤣
Do you leave contrast that low? Or what do you set contrast to? You never showed how to calibrate it
All the other settings I leave alone once calibrated but I constantly adjust contrast. If the movie is dark I turn contrast up. If I am playing a bright colorful nintendo game and I turn contrast down. Adjust to taste.
I remember calling savon pat’s personal cell phone about my kv25xbr, he told me to just throw it away and get a pvm LOL. I got it repaired in the end, but my red is too Red and have no idea how to turn it down or if there’s a secret menu like this
fuckin pat told me I should use my BVM1911 as a boat anchor. Dude doesn't use pro monitors. He just pokes around in them.
Sometimes you have to bury your dead.
It's a Trinitron and they're all pretty similar so try this. With TV on standby use the remote and press in order - Display --> 5 --> Vol. Up --> Standby/Power. Write down original values in the service menu before changing anything. You''ll want to look for RDR(Red gain or drive) and RCT(Red Cutoff). My Trinitron also had far too much red. I reduced the RDR and all is good.
ty my brother
You're welcome :)
5:30 - Before adjusting Color and Tint, you should disable "Trinitone"(whatever the heck that is!) and 'color correction'. I've found that those don't really do anything useful and could throw off your calibration results
Trinitone adjusts white balance to make it more blue. Color correct adjust white balance to make it more red.
@@riggel8804 Then start from a level playing field - turn it off in the user menu(it's right there!) - and then do grayscale. That goes for all such "enhancers". Why wouldn't you?
@@Zickcermacity Trinitone is what plants need to grow. It's got electrolytes.
@@riggel8804 I know you're just joking
@@Zickcermacity Ha ha yeah. Probably should have turned the trinitone off. I do that in my white balance correction video don't know why I didn't do it here. Honestly, I don't know if it makes much of a difference. Trinitone affects white balance and if your white balance is off you can't really correct it by adjusting contrast, hue, brightness and color. You need to do a white balance correction for that and that's a whole other can of worms.
I don't understand, what is G CUT and B cut for?
I hot a video on white balance that goes in detail
Good stuff!
thank
Is there any way to rejuvenate a worn out crt tube?
Haha, is that old xbr48 worn out?
@@riggel8804 no I still haven’t found one yet you said in this video yours was and I just was wondering just Incase mine is
@@Caleb-fv5fp I've heard people say the old curved screen consumer sonys have a dimmer image. I don't know if this is by design or from being old and worn out. My hunch is that its just from being a 30 year old crt.
You can theoretically rejuvinate them. I borrowed a rejuvininator but I couldn't get any of the neck board adapters to fit my tv. Plus I think the rejuve is really for tvs in really bad shape where one of the color guns is almost non functional. You always run the rusk of bricking your tv when you do a rejuve. I chickened out.
@@riggel8804 yeah it just kinda scares me when people say stuff like the tube is worn out cause we might run out of CRTs in good condition one day
@@Caleb-fv5fp I'm sure we will run out. No big deal. There are some really good lcd solutions out there.
So I need a remote?
Would a universal remote work?
@@charcoalcharizd just buy any sony remote on ebay. All sony remotes work on all sony tvs. my 1980s pvm remote works on my 2020 lcd consumer tv.
Is that a BVM-2016P?
bvm1911
How did you get those bars on your TV to begin with?
boomer magic
@@riggel8804 no for real 😂
Is there like a DVD I can buy? Or a program on a game console?
@@superlink235 google search smpte color pattern. That's what it is. I use a program called 240p test suite. It's free to download. It runs on video game consoles like snes nes tg16. You can also load it from an emulator.
@@riggel8804 oh awesome dude! Thank you
@@superlink235 ye
Do you know how you can adjust the reds on the Vega trinitron tvs
Yes what model trinitron do you have?
@@riggel8804 Sony KV-27FS100
@@SlickEd91 watch my video on how to adjust white balance. It gives detailed instructions. That tv might not have red gun controls in the service menu i. E. Rcut, rdrive. If not, what you do is adjust the bdrive and gdrive in concert. I. E. If you want to turn the red gun down 5, on the high end, you turn the gdrive and bdrive UP 5. Same thing goes for the bcut and gcut on the low end.
If the color is really bad you probably need to "rejuvenate" the tv which is problematic to get done these days and didn't work all the great in the best of times.
@@riggel8804 ok I just got into it and it does have those settings I noticed the the default factors on the gdrive were 63 and the bdrive the same 63 but the rdrive was 100 so what can I do if it's that high?
@@SlickEd91 okay. So you are in luck. Having a rdrive makes it a little easier. I can't tell you where to set the numbers. You have to figure it out by eye. You need a reference monitor and test patterns. Do you have test patterns available? Most lcd screens have excellent white balance and work well as reference monitors. Have you watched my video on white balance?
Thank for the video man my wega had this proble were everything has s light hint of green im going to try this i hope it works because it really bothers me.im already subscribe to your channel and gave the video a like but i can still beat tmnt on the nes or xmen on the genessis as a thanks
Haha. Yeah. Tmnt is really good and not to hard. I'm super nostalgic for genesis xmen games so I'm biased. Clone wars is really hard and long
I am playing Kirby's Extra Epic yarn on the 3DS. I will beat that one.
Very good
😭😭😭 thanks
I got no remote for mine 😭
Any sony remote will work. I've used a 1990s pvm remote on a 2010 lcd.
Fuckin' buy one
@@efuuu hey bro
@@verdantmischief7092 What?
Too bad, using front on/off button every time degrade tube 10 times faster.