Just a note to all who are interested in the LG Gram. The finishing on the laptop is not good, especially the deck. I have several paint spots wearing out on my black 14 inch 11th gen, getting very rough. So given a choice, I might go with the white one instead. Loving the weight and rest of the package though
For those interested LG Glance works on 2021 LG Gram, as tested on my 17Z95P You need to unlock the camera, if it's is "secure mode" -then all features of Glance work. This works as an alternate to Logitech "Flow" on the MX Master 3 and 3S Mouse. Works really well!
The first 2022 Gram review I've found ... thank you! I'll be looking forward to your full review. A question in the meantime ... previous editions of the Gram have been knocked for their poor sound quality ... any improvements in that regard?
Intel Alder Lake can (unfortunately) use up to 64 W of power (but LG could have limited this). I'd be interested in the boost behaviour in everyday usage (file management, browsing, RUclips etc.) and how audible the fan reacts to that. Does the BIOS have an option to limit the CPU's power states?
Tried out this portable display with my iPad. Thought I’d share initial thoughts for anyone else considering this setup. The setup is iPad Pro 11 inch (M1 chip, iPad OS 16.6) and LG Gram+View (model 16MR70). To test the battery consumption I played a movie for 30 minutes using Infuse Pro. Sound played through the iPad speakers. This was repeated for all of the following tests. Test 1: Just the iPad (the portable display NOT attached). Brightness set to approx 50%. Result: consumed 3% of the iPad’s battery. Test 2: iPad with portable display, connected using the cable which came with the portable display. iPad brightness set to 0%, monitor set to 50%. Result: Consumed 18% of the iPad’s battery! Test 3: iPad with portable display, plus a battery bank connected to the second port of the portable display. Same brightness levels as test 2. The power bank has 10500 mAh capacity. Result: iPad battery gained 5%. The battery bank used 20% of it’s capacity. Closing thoughts… 1. The iPad can power the portable monitor for approx 2.5 hours (with iPad brightness set to minimum, i.e. viewing only the portable monitor). When using both the iPad and portable monitor (i.e. brightness set to 50% on both) I estimate about 2 hours use. 2. The speakers on the iPad worked even with the portable monitor connected, which surprised me. This was counter to a review I watched which suggested the sound is sent to the portable monitor and therefore muted (because the monitor has no speakers). Not sure why it worked for me. I also tried moving Safari browser to the portable display and played a youtube video, and the speakers continued to work fine. 3. I havent upgraded to iPad OS 17 yet. Reviews state external monitor support has generally improved, but I can’t comment on that yet. When I upgrade, if the situation with the speakers change then I’ll post a followup comment. 4. It would be nice if a battery bank could be connected to the portable display and only power the portable display - however when connected it immediately started charging the iPad too. Maybe if a lower amperage usb port was used (eg 1 amp instead of 2 amps), the portable monitor would realise it only has enough power for itself, but I haven’t tested this yet. 5. I was going to test both portable display and iPad set to 50% brightness, but Infuse app automatically dims the iPad after a while. For worst case scenario for battery consumption just add the result of test 1 and test 2. Would probably last marginally longer because the power used for the iPad internals and speakers is being counted twice. Anyway, I estimate consumption to be 3% (iPad) minus 1% (adjustment for speakers etc) plus 18% (portable display), equals approx 20% per half hour. 6. Other activities (other than playing a video) may get different results. This is just a quick initial test, mainly to see how I’m going to use this setup. 7. I’ve used the smaller sized iPad for years. But given the improvements to multitasking I think the larger 12.9 inch iPad Pro is really worth considering. In hindsight I think I’d have preferred to go that route. Yes it would be sacrificing 3 inchs (and a second screen), but the iPad Pro is significantly more power efficient, and a higher quality screen too (better colour accuracy, better contrast, higher refresh). Time will tell…. 8. The brightness controls do indeed work, using the physical buttons on the portable display. 9. I don’t know if yanking the usb cable out of the portable display can cause it issues long term. For now I think I’ll turn it off before disconnecting power (by holding the two brightness buttons for several seconds). 10. When the battery bank runs out of juice, the portable display does NOT instantly switch to getting power from the iPad. The portable display loses power briefly and reboots, thereby losing all of the window setup. Everything moves back to the iPad and external monitor support has to be re-enabled. Not ideal if expecting to use the power bank AND the iPad’s battery for an extended stint. Crux. Seems it’s a viable setup, so far….
16:10 is better than 16:9 but it's still too wide for laptop. That's why I'm still using model from 2006. It's Hp Compaq nc6320 with beautiful 15inch, matte, 4:3, 1400×1050 display. Would like to buy a new one but since majority of my drawings/paintings are portrait orientated it is pointless to swap it for 16:9, 16:10 or 3:2. It would be nice if some of those companies give a 4:3 option. There are probably a number of people who would choose 4:3 over other aspect ratios. Anyway I like your reviews teoh.
@@fatjoze 3:2 is still more of a widescreen than it's a square screen. Hp Spectre is an amazing looking laptop and probably with a high quality build, but 14inch 3:2 is significantly smaller than 15inch 4:3. It still lacks that one dimension. There is Lenovo thinkpad version with a 3:2 screen also and maybe dell latitude but i'm not sure. Anyway, since there are countless number of models made for media consumption, at least that " workstation" models should have a square screen or an option with a square screen. Maybe LG is going to make a square screen laptop since they released that amazing 16:18 ( or 18:16 it can be rotated) monitor a few months ago.
Main question is battery and how does it compare to last year (by itself) and when used with display how does it compare to without display, thanks for lovely video
Hello Teoh, thanks for the review. I have a question. Does the fan turn on frequently when you are in power saving mode? I plan to use it mostly for photo retouching and drawing so I don't need much power but I very much prefer silent machines. How does this compare with last year model, is this more "silent" in similar scenarios? Thank you very much. Also I'd love to see in the future tests of battery life doing common thinks like drawing, photo retouching, office work... ;)
I bought the LG Gram View and of all the portable monitors I've tried, this is by far the best USB-C monitor. Best resolution, brightness, and ***FINALLY*** ports on either side of the display!!
Hi there. Awesome video. Just wondering how much laptop battery life to you lose when the power is not plugged in to the power. Looking to travel and hoping I could still get a solid 5 hours of use from my battery laptop while using it. Yes i am bringing a power bank but still curious to know how much battery this awesome screen sucks out :)
Great review, Mr Teoh Yi Chie. I have been eyeing these things for quite some time as I do freelance writing and a laptop would help me travel more. I know the Dell XPS is more power-packed with features, but is quite heavy and much more expensive. LG gram is lightweight which makes it great for travel. But, it'd be interesting to see whether the Gram 16 handles 4K video editing well, because I also do that occasionally. My current desktop monitor is BenQ SW240, which like the Gram is 16:10. So, it'd be the perfect companion PC. I don't wish to go with 16:9 anymore. P.S: if possible, can you review the LG gram Touch screen version, the one where you can sketch and paint on screen with a pen; for digital art. Thanks.
I reviewed last year’s LG Gram 14 2-in-1. I personally don’t like laptops that can fold 360 and anything with 16:9 aspect ratio display is an instant no go for me. Here’s that review Artist Review: LG Gram 14 Convertible 2-in-1 (2021) ruclips.net/video/mwiyvFmArfc/видео.html
@@teohontech7141 thanks for the reply. Have you tried editing 4K videos on the LG Grams? I ask this since I also work on films and documentaries, occasionally. It'd be great if this handles 4K editing well enough. I don't mind the display not being 4K.
Thank you very much for the quality of your reviews. By any chance, could you test the LG Gram 16 connected to an e-gpu with Premiere Pro using the +View as the main (and only) monitor plugged directly on the e-gpu in order to optimize the performance due to TB limitation with an internal screen? Curious to see the global performance gain, including the CPU as the laptop should (supposedly) be cooler.
is this non rtx model any good at real time 3d rendering ?(Blender eevee, twinmotion, enscape .. etc) does it have smooth experience with unreal engine 4/5 ?
Thank you! Matte display is ver good for LG, previous glossiest was really stop-factor to buy. Please test flex of used materilas, as you of course know, LG Gram also called as "flexy laptops". And please open bottom cover for looking to mainboard and battery and speacers and other...
The display cover flex like a thick cardboard or those thick plastic covers for containers. The keyboard top case flex slightly when you press down hard. I've the 2021 LG Gram for more than half a year and don't have any issues with that.
@Teoh - Nice heads up. When are you planning to post the full review? Am seriously considering this for my next laptop purchase. In your full review, it will be nice if you can cover the version including discrete graphics with its gameability potential, 16-inch pros n cons versus 17-inch, keypad sturdiness, typing comfort, trackpad quality, webcam quality, screen colour accuracy, overall screen and body sturdiness, typical charging duration from 0 to 100, battery life under different loads, usage scenarios for the +view (say zoom/teams call on main monitor and documents on the +view screen).. essentially stuff required for better productivity. Thanks much.
The review will by up end of this week. Gaming performance even with the discrete graphics card is not good so there may not be much reason to get the model that comes with the graphics card. Full charge is 3 hours. Battery life is about 9 hours. The display is very good.
Thanks, appreciate the quick revert Teoh. My suspicion came true, clear now that the gram lineage is Traveller/ SMB/ productivity oriented and never meant for gaming. Glad to hear positive vibes on the screen. Bit disappointed with 9hrs battery and 3hr charging time. Hope it lasts better with medium brightness, no multimedia editing and just doing regular office/productivity stuff. Also hope the webcam is quality full HD, invariably seen average grainy webcams on laptops. Someone on this section seems to have pointed at poor paint job on the black version that's a bit concerning. What is your view on the overall materials/sturdiness? this would be key for longevity and major concern for what's advertised as thin and light. Also hoping there's good hardware inside for wireless connectivity, given the predominantly WFH situation. On a different note, I'd be interested to know if there's any quality audio hardware inside for richer headphone experience. Looking forward to your review.
@@abhijeetsamal8302 9 hours battery life is good considering most other Windows laptops I've tested can't even last 6-7 hours with ease. As for build quality. this laptop is flexy when you flex it. If you're someone who associates weight or sturdiness with build quality, there will be a huge disconnected with this laptop because it's light and is flexy.
@@teohyc Thanks for the revert Teoh. I'm really intrigued about the +View and how it could translate to better productivity. Is it always dependent on the main laptop being powered ON, or possible to use independently as some form of tablet? Can it be used with main laptop being in sleep mode/closed lid, so you can read ebooks on the +View? Is it touchscreen or need to use the mouse? Sorry for too many questions, just the novelty of setup I'm curious to know.
When you hold the laptop with one hand at 11:56, does the laptop bend？and when typing, does the screen wobble? Thinking to buy Gram 16, very curious about how tough this laptop can be, with that super light weight.
There’s no flex when I’m holding it from the corner. And I do that quite often. No issues. The keyboard top case will flex if you press down hard, but not when typing. Display top has more flex. It is difficult to judge how tough or durable this is because we usually associate durable/tough with hardness or weight. This LG Gram has flex and is lightweight so there is this weird disassociation.
Wondering how you get to work with companies like LG, would really like to try out the Gram 16 & 17 to use for a week before deciding between which size to get. Btw according to sources the gram +view will cost 599SGD MSRP
I've been creating content and reviewing stuff since 2009. It's usually the companies that contact me to ask if I want to review their products. I rarely reach out to companies.
Update: I've been told the pricing is SGD 499. That's quite reasonable considering the brightness, 1440P resolution, aspect ratio and overall image quality.
@@teohontech7141 good to know! Yes its going for 599, hopefully you can give some update in the comments on roughly the battery life, i'm very curious since LG didn't get official Intel Evo certification. I'm deciding between the Gram 16 & 17 and intending to purchasing either one this week
@@Fujiwara.Takumi1 Only been using the laptop for 2 days so I can't say much about the battery life yet. But based on my experience with 2021 LG gram 16, battery life is 14 hours if I'm just playing RUclips videos. And overall battery life is good. Between 16 and 17, I probably recommend 16 because it's 150g lighter. Downside is numpad is 3 columns instead of 4.
@@teohontech7141 i see. I tried it in store and it doesn't give me a clear feel of which is preferred. Btw the +view is indeed 599. For pre-order which will ship on 1aug on lazada.
I didn't get the 2021 LG Gram 17 due to the poor speakers, have the speakers been improved? Or do they still only point down out the bottom of the laptop, or does it now have speaker holes on the top by keyboard?
Ohh thank you. I was really interested in this because of the 16:10 ratio and 2.5k pixels, but no touch or speakers makes this a rather pricey monitor compared to competitors. Thanks!
@@splattrick2432 Good audio from portable displays is rare. The pricing for this is actually quite competitive because it's 16:10 aspect ratio, 1440P resolution, 269 nits measured brightness, 100% sRGB 89% AdobeRGB. Just the fact that it's 16:10 already means it's better at productivity compared to 4K because at the same UI size, 16:10 will still show more content. No touch is personal preference. I don't have preference for or against touch for portable displays.
I dont know if my phone can provide enough the juice to power up the monitor. I have placed an order, but still very uncertain if this is the right monitor for my need.
Extra power is needed. Because displayPort does not transmit power. But if you mean DisplayPort that uses USB C connector, that will depend on the device providing the power
Any confirmations? I ordered this for ipad and Mac, havent received yet, but now i'm doubting. On ipad there will be no sound, it must use monitor speakers when connected, but there arent any. And looks like monitor settings cant be adjusted either. On Mac, usbc doesnt appear to support alt mode, and others said an adaptor doesnt work. Damn! Couldnt find confirmation anywhere on suitability for ipad (or mac) so thought i'd try, but looks like i will be returning it.
I was almost sold on this display after reading your review online. Until I saw the 30ms response time. I want to use it mainly on business trips as second display for work purposes. But still, 30ms seems very bad (reminds me of the early tfts). What are your thoughts on this after using the display?
I no longer have the unit to test so I can't say for sure. In theory, there may be ghosting effect if there is fast animation, e.g. moving windows around very quickly, quick scroll. But I did not noticed anything weird or out of ordinary worth mentioning.
I use the LG 16" portable monitor with a 27" 4K 5 ms response time monitor and I haven't experienced any issues. It does a fine job as a secondary display for work related tasks. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Thank you for the replies. I ordered it through my company. We have some good discounts. Will be able to experience it in 2 weeks on my next business trip.
@@kleinertester4244 Great to hear! Hopefully you'll enjoy it as much as I do. Having that 16:10 aspect ratio is great for productivity and I like having slightly more vertical pixels for my email and spreadsheets. The ability to connect it to my laptop with just the USB-C cable and not needing an external power cable is also nice for portability and working remotely.
Windows Hello face unlock replaced the fingerprint scanner. Face unlock works fine but is maybe a second or split second slower than fingerprint unlock.
@@forzer456 Aspect ratio is 16:10 which I prefer much more compared to 16:9. The LCD looks very good even though it's not OLED. Whether wireless/battery useful is really subjective. Personally I don't mind having cable connection. Also the LG is cheaper.
Not without some additional accessories, primarily the Genki ShadowCast HDMI to USB C converter specifically meant to alter the proprietary video settings Nintendo always does.
When you press the keys, they go below the keyboard deck. Some design problem. LG have a bad habit of innovating and forgetting to get the basics right.
@@teohyc I just took the 14Z90Q one (with i7). Thanks for the advice. For a long life battery laptop for linux, at that price, i've seen nothing better.
Having the matte display instead of glossy isn't "nice". It's terrible. You lose those beautiful, vivid, rich, natural-looking colors and replace them with a hazy coating which ruins it. Matte is only better if you work in very brightly lit environment and have no other choice. But even then you lose color accuracy and contrast, so then working with colors isn't preferable.
I prefer not to see my reflections all the time. The hazy coating appears only when there are direct reflections on it. When you have direct reflections on glossy, you get the reflections. A great LCD still looks great. And I'm prefer LCD over OLED despite having reviewed many OLED laptops and tablets over the years.
@@teohontech7141 watch the video called "How Has Nobody Made This Before?" In it you can clearly see the huge difference in image quality given the same panel. Also, he compared both displays in the dark so your "it only looks hazy in bright light" argument doesn't work here. It ALWAYS looks bad, no matter the lighting.
@@teohontech7141 youtube removed my first reply so I'll try posting it again. No, I don't like looking at my reflections. Perhaps you came from 3000-4000 years ago, but curtains are a thing. You should google them. Not to mention that without them, on a sunny day a matte display is just as unusuable. "The hazy coating appears only when there are direct reflections on it." nope, that's not how laws of physics work. Matte coating doesn't just distort light coming from the outside, the same thing happens from the inside, hence why, put side by side, a glossy monitor would always look superior, as is very evident from the video comparison I sent above. Also, I hate OLEDs, but previous LG Grams had glossy IPS, not OLED.
@@TabalugaDragon As someone who dislike reflections, the 1st second the glossy display appears on Dave2D's video, that's an instant no-go for me. However, I can see that EVE has applied strong anti-reflective coating on the display although Dave did not mention it, otherwise the reflections will have even more contrast. I use curtains. And I a mix of glossy and matte displays everyday. My main BenQ SW2700PT is matte. iPad Pro and Samsung tablets, Macbook Air are glossy. I have portable monitors that are matte and glossy. Apple does have the best glossy display and that's thanks to their strong anti-reflective coating. I can see in the Dave's video that the colours and contrast are indeed better. But is it better to the extent that you can call matte display bad? Nope. As for the fuzzy text shown on the matte screen on Dave's video. I would say there's a problem with that matte display since I don't see fuzzy text on my high-res matte displays. Anyway, it's good there are options, glossy and matte. Even Apple offers matte for their glossy displays, because there are people who prefer matte. So it seems there are people who are willing to pay higher price (to Apple) to buy lousier quality matte displays.
@@teohontech7141 there is no anto-reflective coating there, the reflections on it were evident to the max. "Apple does have the best glossy display and that's thanks to their strong anti-reflective coating. " then... why are their screens so reflective? Dave demonstrated it perfectly, they reflect everything when the screen is dark of off, just like any glossy display. "I can see in the Dave's video that the colours and contrast are indeed better. But is it better to the extent that you can call matte display bad" bad compared to glossy. If you only use matte screen it may look ok. But I recently bought a glossy monitor(I could barely find one) and it's like a dust curtain was removed from it. Bright, colorful, high contrast, blacks are black and not grey anymore, the colors are vivid and natural-looking. "since I don't see fuzzy text on my high-res matte displays. " I do. I used numerous matte displays in my life and they reflect light exactly the same way as shown in his video(he was filming in a studio), and they are completely unusable on a sunny day without curtains. Like I said that's just how laws of physics work. You can't just distort light coming from the outside without doing the same with light coming from the inside. "Anyway, it's good there are options, glossy and matte." do you and I even live in the same universe? No, there aren't any options, for most segments that is. Try finding a glossy display on a budget to mid-range gaming laptop. You know how many glossy options are there? ZERO. Same with desktop gaming displays. I could barely find a glossy display on the market but even that one pretty much a TV-converted-into-a-monitor, not a proper monitor. It's 32 inches and only 1080p resolution(great at watching movies but far from the best for using text), and that's because there are almost no options. It has a decent response time of 5ms and 75hz, but still, I'd prefer a higher pixel density, but it's just not a thing on glossy displays anymore. And you know why? One of main reasons is because youtubers like you always praise matte coating without mentioning it's downsides. You keep talking about how great it is that a matte display doesn't have reflections and yet fail to mention that you sacrifice image qiality for it. So people blindly go and buy matte displays, many not even knowing that image is not the same on them, despite you making an otherwise impression of it based on your review. As a result, display manufacturers see the lack of interest in glossy displays and have pretty much stopped making them, especially on gaming devices. As a reviewer, it's your obligation to be objective, and mention both sides of the coin, not just the positives.
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Just a note to all who are interested in the LG Gram. The finishing on the laptop is not good, especially the deck. I have several paint spots wearing out on my black 14 inch 11th gen, getting very rough. So given a choice, I might go with the white one instead. Loving the weight and rest of the package though
For those interested LG Glance works on 2021 LG Gram, as tested on my 17Z95P You need to unlock the camera, if it's is "secure mode" -then all features of Glance work. This works as an alternate to Logitech "Flow" on the MX Master 3 and 3S Mouse. Works really well!
The first 2022 Gram review I've found ... thank you! I'll be looking forward to your full review. A question in the meantime ... previous editions of the Gram have been knocked for their poor sound quality ... any improvements in that regard?
Intel Alder Lake can (unfortunately) use up to 64 W of power (but LG could have limited this). I'd be interested in the boost behaviour in everyday usage (file management, browsing, RUclips etc.) and how audible the fan reacts to that. Does the BIOS have an option to limit the CPU's power states?
Tried out this portable display with my iPad. Thought I’d share initial thoughts for anyone else considering this setup.
The setup is iPad Pro 11 inch (M1 chip, iPad OS 16.6) and LG Gram+View (model 16MR70).
To test the battery consumption I played a movie for 30 minutes using Infuse Pro. Sound played through the iPad speakers. This was repeated for all of the following tests.
Test 1: Just the iPad (the portable display NOT attached). Brightness set to approx 50%. Result: consumed 3% of the iPad’s battery.
Test 2: iPad with portable display, connected using the cable which came with the portable display. iPad brightness set to 0%, monitor set to 50%. Result: Consumed 18% of the iPad’s battery!
Test 3: iPad with portable display, plus a battery bank connected to the second port of the portable display. Same brightness levels as test 2. The power bank has 10500 mAh capacity. Result: iPad battery gained 5%. The battery bank used 20% of it’s capacity.
Closing thoughts…
1. The iPad can power the portable monitor for approx 2.5 hours (with iPad brightness set to minimum, i.e. viewing only the portable monitor). When using both the iPad and portable monitor (i.e. brightness set to 50% on both) I estimate about 2 hours use.
2. The speakers on the iPad worked even with the portable monitor connected, which surprised me. This was counter to a review I watched which suggested the sound is sent to the portable monitor and therefore muted (because the monitor has no speakers). Not sure why it worked for me. I also tried moving Safari browser to the portable display and played a youtube video, and the speakers continued to work fine.
3. I havent upgraded to iPad OS 17 yet. Reviews state external monitor support has generally improved, but I can’t comment on that yet. When I upgrade, if the situation with the speakers change then I’ll post a followup comment.
4. It would be nice if a battery bank could be connected to the portable display and only power the portable display - however when connected it immediately started charging the iPad too. Maybe if a lower amperage usb port was used (eg 1 amp instead of 2 amps), the portable monitor would realise it only has enough power for itself, but I haven’t tested this yet.
5. I was going to test both portable display and iPad set to 50% brightness, but Infuse app automatically dims the iPad after a while. For worst case scenario for battery consumption just add the result of test 1 and test 2. Would probably last marginally longer because the power used for the iPad internals and speakers is being counted twice. Anyway, I estimate consumption to be 3% (iPad) minus 1% (adjustment for speakers etc) plus 18% (portable display), equals approx 20% per half hour.
6. Other activities (other than playing a video) may get different results. This is just a quick initial test, mainly to see how I’m going to use this setup.
7. I’ve used the smaller sized iPad for years. But given the improvements to multitasking I think the larger 12.9 inch iPad Pro is really worth considering. In hindsight I think I’d have preferred to go that route. Yes it would be sacrificing 3 inchs (and a second screen), but the iPad Pro is significantly more power efficient, and a higher quality screen too (better colour accuracy, better contrast, higher refresh). Time will tell….
8. The brightness controls do indeed work, using the physical buttons on the portable display.
9. I don’t know if yanking the usb cable out of the portable display can cause it issues long term. For now I think I’ll turn it off before disconnecting power (by holding the two brightness buttons for several seconds).
10. When the battery bank runs out of juice, the portable display does NOT instantly switch to getting power from the iPad. The portable display loses power briefly and reboots, thereby losing all of the window setup. Everything moves back to the iPad and external monitor support has to be re-enabled. Not ideal if expecting to use the power bank AND the iPad’s battery for an extended stint.
Crux. Seems it’s a viable setup, so far….
16:10 is better than 16:9 but it's still too wide for laptop. That's why I'm still using model from 2006. It's Hp Compaq nc6320 with beautiful 15inch, matte, 4:3, 1400×1050 display. Would like to buy a new one but since majority of my drawings/paintings are portrait orientated it is pointless to swap it for 16:9, 16:10 or 3:2. It would be nice if some of those companies give a 4:3 option. There are probably a number of people who would choose 4:3 over other aspect ratios. Anyway I like your reviews teoh.
2021 Huawei matebook 3:2 / HP spectre 3:2
@@fatjoze 3:2 is still more of a widescreen than it's a square screen. Hp Spectre is an amazing looking laptop and probably with a high quality build, but 14inch 3:2 is significantly smaller than 15inch 4:3. It still lacks that one dimension.
There is Lenovo thinkpad version with a 3:2 screen also and maybe dell latitude but i'm not sure.
Anyway, since there are countless number of models made for media consumption, at least that " workstation" models should have a square screen or an option with a square screen.
Maybe LG is going to make a square screen laptop since they released that amazing 16:18 ( or 18:16 it can be rotated) monitor a few months ago.
Main question is battery and how does it compare to last year (by itself) and when used with display how does it compare to without display, thanks for lovely video
Hello Teoh, thanks for the review. I have a question. Does the fan turn on frequently when you are in power saving mode? I plan to use it mostly for photo retouching and drawing so I don't need much power but I very much prefer silent machines. How does this compare with last year model, is this more "silent" in similar scenarios? Thank you very much. Also I'd love to see in the future tests of battery life doing common thinks like drawing, photo retouching, office work... ;)
I bought the LG Gram View and of all the portable monitors I've tried, this is by far the best USB-C monitor. Best resolution, brightness, and ***FINALLY*** ports on either side of the display!!
Can you daisy chain 2 +views together using the other usb-c port? Thanks
Hi there. Awesome video. Just wondering how much laptop battery life to you lose when the power is not plugged in to the power. Looking to travel and hoping I could still get a solid 5 hours of use from my battery laptop while using it. Yes i am bringing a power bank but still curious to know how much battery this awesome screen sucks out :)
Great review, Mr Teoh Yi Chie. I have been eyeing these things for quite some time as I do freelance writing and a laptop would help me travel more. I know the Dell XPS is more power-packed with features, but is quite heavy and much more expensive. LG gram is lightweight which makes it great for travel. But, it'd be interesting to see whether the Gram 16 handles 4K video editing well, because I also do that occasionally. My current desktop monitor is BenQ SW240, which like the Gram is 16:10. So, it'd be the perfect companion PC. I don't wish to go with 16:9 anymore.
P.S: if possible, can you review the LG gram Touch screen version, the one where you can sketch and paint on screen with a pen; for digital art. Thanks.
I reviewed last year’s LG Gram 14 2-in-1. I personally don’t like laptops that can fold 360 and anything with 16:9 aspect ratio display is an instant no go for me.
Here’s that review
Artist Review: LG Gram 14 Convertible 2-in-1 (2021)
ruclips.net/video/mwiyvFmArfc/видео.html
@@teohontech7141 thanks for the reply. Have you tried editing 4K videos on the LG Grams? I ask this since I also work on films and documentaries, occasionally. It'd be great if this handles 4K editing well enough. I don't mind the display not being 4K.
@@utthapa There will be dropped frames with 4K video editing even with proxies, at least with DaVinci Resolve.
Thank you very much for the quality of your reviews.
By any chance, could you test the LG Gram 16 connected to an e-gpu with Premiere Pro using the +View as the main (and only) monitor plugged directly on the e-gpu in order to optimize the performance due to TB limitation with an internal screen? Curious to see the global performance gain, including the CPU as the laptop should (supposedly) be cooler.
I don't have eGPU to test. Maybe search Reddit to see if others have tested
Can it work in portrait mode?
*Edit*
Yes. I checked LG's site.
Recieve mine next week!!! Yeahhh
Which one did you buy?
@@teohontech7141 16INCH 12TH GEN IN BLACK !
is this non rtx model any good at real time 3d rendering ?(Blender eevee, twinmotion, enscape .. etc)
does it have smooth experience with unreal engine 4/5 ?
Thank you! Matte display is ver good for LG, previous glossiest was really stop-factor to buy. Please test flex of used materilas, as you of course know, LG Gram also called as "flexy laptops". And please open bottom cover for looking to mainboard and battery and speacers and other...
The LG Gram body has some flex and the display cover is more flexible. So yeah, this is a flexy laptop. I don't really have any issues with it though.
Loan units can’t get opened so he can’t check the insides!
Anyone can recommend USB-C to HDMI adapter for windows PC? My PC only have HDMI port. I bought an adapter but did not work.
You are so amazing teoh
You have a long experience with the LG series. how sturdy is it ? long term feedback on the construction is welcomed!
The display cover flex like a thick cardboard or those thick plastic covers for containers. The keyboard top case flex slightly when you press down hard. I've the 2021 LG Gram for more than half a year and don't have any issues with that.
I think I'll like it
@Teoh - Nice heads up. When are you planning to post the full review? Am seriously considering this for my next laptop purchase. In your full review, it will be nice if you can cover the version including discrete graphics with its gameability potential, 16-inch pros n cons versus 17-inch, keypad sturdiness, typing comfort, trackpad quality, webcam quality, screen colour accuracy, overall screen and body sturdiness, typical charging duration from 0 to 100, battery life under different loads, usage scenarios for the +view (say zoom/teams call on main monitor and documents on the +view screen).. essentially stuff required for better productivity. Thanks much.
The review will by up end of this week. Gaming performance even with the discrete graphics card is not good so there may not be much reason to get the model that comes with the graphics card. Full charge is 3 hours. Battery life is about 9 hours. The display is very good.
Thanks, appreciate the quick revert Teoh. My suspicion came true, clear now that the gram lineage is Traveller/ SMB/ productivity oriented and never meant for gaming. Glad to hear positive vibes on the screen. Bit disappointed with 9hrs battery and 3hr charging time. Hope it lasts better with medium brightness, no multimedia editing and just doing regular office/productivity stuff. Also hope the webcam is quality full HD, invariably seen average grainy webcams on laptops. Someone on this section seems to have pointed at poor paint job on the black version that's a bit concerning. What is your view on the overall materials/sturdiness? this would be key for longevity and major concern for what's advertised as thin and light. Also hoping there's good hardware inside for wireless connectivity, given the predominantly WFH situation. On a different note, I'd be interested to know if there's any quality audio hardware inside for richer headphone experience. Looking forward to your review.
@@abhijeetsamal8302 9 hours battery life is good considering most other Windows laptops I've tested can't even last 6-7 hours with ease.
As for build quality. this laptop is flexy when you flex it. If you're someone who associates weight or sturdiness with build quality, there will be a huge disconnected with this laptop because it's light and is flexy.
@@teohyc Thanks for the revert Teoh. I'm really intrigued about the +View and how it could translate to better productivity. Is it always dependent on the main laptop being powered ON, or possible to use independently as some form of tablet? Can it be used with main laptop being in sleep mode/closed lid, so you can read ebooks on the +View? Is it touchscreen or need to use the mouse? Sorry for too many questions, just the novelty of setup I'm curious to know.
@@abhijeetsamal8302 It's just a computer monitor and does what a computer monitor does. There's no touchscreen.
When you hold the laptop with one hand at 11:56, does the laptop bend？and when typing, does the screen wobble? Thinking to buy Gram 16, very curious about how tough this laptop can be, with that super light weight.
There’s no flex when I’m holding it from the corner. And I do that quite often. No issues.
The keyboard top case will flex if you press down hard, but not when typing.
Display top has more flex.
It is difficult to judge how tough or durable this is because we usually associate durable/tough with hardness or weight. This LG Gram has flex and is lightweight so there is this weird disassociation.
Is the LG Gram you’re reviewing the 2-in-1 with stylus support? Please say yes.
no. just a laptop
Noooooooo
@@derpyazerty Personally, I am glad there's no touchscreen on The gram
Wondering how you get to work with companies like LG, would really like to try out the Gram 16 & 17 to use for a week before deciding between which size to get.
Btw according to sources the gram +view will cost 599SGD MSRP
I've been creating content and reviewing stuff since 2009. It's usually the companies that contact me to ask if I want to review their products. I rarely reach out to companies.
Update: I've been told the pricing is SGD 499. That's quite reasonable considering the brightness, 1440P resolution, aspect ratio and overall image quality.
@@teohontech7141 good to know! Yes its going for 599, hopefully you can give some update in the comments on roughly the battery life, i'm very curious since LG didn't get official Intel Evo certification. I'm deciding between the Gram 16 & 17 and intending to purchasing either one this week
@@Fujiwara.Takumi1 Only been using the laptop for 2 days so I can't say much about the battery life yet. But based on my experience with 2021 LG gram 16, battery life is 14 hours if I'm just playing RUclips videos. And overall battery life is good.
Between 16 and 17, I probably recommend 16 because it's 150g lighter. Downside is numpad is 3 columns instead of 4.
@@teohontech7141 i see. I tried it in store and it doesn't give me a clear feel of which is preferred. Btw the +view is indeed 599. For pre-order which will ship on 1aug on lazada.
I didn't get the 2021 LG Gram 17 due to the poor speakers, have the speakers been improved? Or do they still only point down out the bottom of the laptop, or does it now have speaker holes on the top by keyboard?
Same downward facing speakers. Similar quality
@@teohontech7141
Does the display allow power pass-through? Power to 1 usb c of monitor, other usb c from monitor to laptop
@@non-wokeletsgobrandon394 No power pass through from the monitor.
Does the View monitor have speakers and is it touchscreen? Wasnt able to find information on the official site on that
No speakers. Just 2 USB-C ports and brightness control. Specs here www.lg.com/ca_en/lg-gram/lg-16mq70
Ohh thank you. I was really interested in this because of the 16:10 ratio and 2.5k pixels, but no touch or speakers makes this a rather pricey monitor compared to competitors. Thanks!
@@splattrick2432 Good audio from portable displays is rare. The pricing for this is actually quite competitive because it's 16:10 aspect ratio, 1440P resolution, 269 nits measured brightness, 100% sRGB 89% AdobeRGB. Just the fact that it's 16:10 already means it's better at productivity compared to 4K because at the same UI size, 16:10 will still show more content.
No touch is personal preference. I don't have preference for or against touch for portable displays.
Does the display work with other laptops while using the same usb c cable?
Yes
Good review thanks
Just something for future improvement… it’s pronounced as ‘mag-nerds’ rather than ‘mag-necks’
Hi Teoh,
Will this monitor works with external power in one USB-C port and the other port connected to a Samsung Phone?
Thank you
If your phone can provide enough power then there’s no need to connect the display to power source.
I dont know if my phone can provide enough the juice to power up the monitor. I have placed an order, but still very uncertain if this is the right monitor for my need.
@@stevennguyen89 let us know how you get on!
@@BennyBait sure! I'm still waiting for it to be delivered 😪
@@BennyBait hi Ben, so my monitor arrived and it doesn't work with my Galaxy Phone.
Will you need extra power if you use displayport to usb c 3.2 cable ?
Extra power is needed. Because displayPort does not transmit power. But if you mean DisplayPort that uses USB C connector, that will depend on the device providing the power
Is it possible to daisy chain the +view? Is it possible to use USB A to USB C for the portable monitor?
No daisy chain
can you use it with samsung galaxy tab s8 plus???
does this portable screen also works with apple products?
It does, but only with those that can output video of course.
@@teohyc Do you have any recommended portable monitor that is compatible with Windows and Macbook
Any confirmations?
I ordered this for ipad and Mac, havent received yet, but now i'm doubting.
On ipad there will be no sound, it must use monitor speakers when connected, but there arent any. And looks like monitor settings cant be adjusted either.
On Mac, usbc doesnt appear to support alt mode, and others said an adaptor doesnt work.
Damn! Couldnt find confirmation anywhere on suitability for ipad (or mac) so thought i'd try, but looks like i will be returning it.
I was almost sold on this display after reading your review online. Until I saw the 30ms response time. I want to use it mainly on business trips as second display for work purposes. But still, 30ms seems very bad (reminds me of the early tfts).
What are your thoughts on this after using the display?
I no longer have the unit to test so I can't say for sure. In theory, there may be ghosting effect if there is fast animation, e.g. moving windows around very quickly, quick scroll. But I did not noticed anything weird or out of ordinary worth mentioning.
I use the LG 16" portable monitor with a 27" 4K 5 ms response time monitor and I haven't experienced any issues. It does a fine job as a secondary display for work related tasks. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Thank you for the replies. I ordered it through my company. We have some good discounts. Will be able to experience it in 2 weeks on my next business trip.
@@kleinertester4244 Great to hear! Hopefully you'll enjoy it as much as I do. Having that 16:10 aspect ratio is great for productivity and I like having slightly more vertical pixels for my email and spreadsheets. The ability to connect it to my laptop with just the USB-C cable and not needing an external power cable is also nice for portability and working remotely.
Does it have heating issues? Considering the 17inch model
I did not experience any heating issues. There are some in the comments section mentioning heating.
@@teohontech7141 Thank you for your response, I am confused between the gram 17 and the omen
@@nutsyfern what u get
Is it compatible with MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019)
Yes
Will the monitor work when plugged in to a mac mini?
Yes
I heard they got rid of the fingerprint scanner for the 2022 models?
Windows Hello face unlock replaced the fingerprint scanner. Face unlock works fine but is maybe a second or split second slower than fingerprint unlock.
@@teohontech7141 ahh ok what a bummer.
Regarding sound?! Is it Loud in speakers?
Audio quality maybe 4/5. It's loud. But there's a limit to how good downward facing speakers can sound compared to upward facing ones.
Does this work with macbook pro? Can you show us?
It works with the Macbook Pro. No issues.
Any built-in speaker?
Not for the external display
Is there a battery in this monitor?
No
How about PWM in these displays?
My camera wasn't able to capture PWM. LCDs usually don't have PWM issues.
How does it compare to the zenscreen
This is better
@@teohontech7141 in what way resolution? I know the zenscreen has a few options (wireless, battery, eg).
@@forzer456 Aspect ratio is 16:10 which I prefer much more compared to 16:9. The LCD looks very good even though it's not OLED. Whether wireless/battery useful is really subjective. Personally I don't mind having cable connection. Also the LG is cheaper.
I love windows laptops! and for "love" I mean hate.
can u plug an 11inch ipad pro to this display?
Yes. USB-C to USB0C
Can a Switch be used with this?
Not without some additional accessories, primarily the Genki ShadowCast HDMI to USB C converter specifically meant to alter the proprietary video settings Nintendo always does.
why tha cursor so big??
I like big cursors. Lol
When you press the keys, they go below the keyboard deck. Some design problem. LG have a bad habit of innovating and forgetting to get the basics right.
I didn't even realise that until you mentioned it
2022 model ? or 2021 ?
@@dsinemoi1mouton if you can find the 2021 model at a good price it is still worth the money. Main downside is the very reflective display
@@teohyc I just took the 14Z90Q one (with i7).
Thanks for the advice.
For a long life battery laptop for linux, at that price, i've seen nothing better.
@@dsinemoi1mouton 2022
Having the matte display instead of glossy isn't "nice". It's terrible. You lose those beautiful, vivid, rich, natural-looking colors and replace them with a hazy coating which ruins it. Matte is only better if you work in very brightly lit environment and have no other choice. But even then you lose color accuracy and contrast, so then working with colors isn't preferable.
I prefer not to see my reflections all the time. The hazy coating appears only when there are direct reflections on it. When you have direct reflections on glossy, you get the reflections. A great LCD still looks great. And I'm prefer LCD over OLED despite having reviewed many OLED laptops and tablets over the years.
@@teohontech7141 watch the video called "How Has Nobody Made This Before?"
In it you can clearly see the huge difference in image quality given the same panel. Also, he compared both displays in the dark so your "it only looks hazy in bright light" argument doesn't work here. It ALWAYS looks bad, no matter the lighting.
@@teohontech7141 youtube removed my first reply so I'll try posting it again. No, I don't like looking at my reflections. Perhaps you came from 3000-4000 years ago, but curtains are a thing. You should google them. Not to mention that without them, on a sunny day a matte display is just as unusuable.
"The hazy coating appears only when there are direct reflections on it." nope, that's not how laws of physics work.
Matte coating doesn't just distort light coming from the outside, the same thing happens from the inside, hence why, put side by side, a glossy monitor would always look superior, as is very evident from the video comparison I sent above.
Also, I hate OLEDs, but previous LG Grams had glossy IPS, not OLED.
@@TabalugaDragon As someone who dislike reflections, the 1st second the glossy display appears on Dave2D's video, that's an instant no-go for me. However, I can see that EVE has applied strong anti-reflective coating on the display although Dave did not mention it, otherwise the reflections will have even more contrast.
I use curtains. And I a mix of glossy and matte displays everyday. My main BenQ SW2700PT is matte. iPad Pro and Samsung tablets, Macbook Air are glossy. I have portable monitors that are matte and glossy. Apple does have the best glossy display and that's thanks to their strong anti-reflective coating.
I can see in the Dave's video that the colours and contrast are indeed better. But is it better to the extent that you can call matte display bad? Nope.
As for the fuzzy text shown on the matte screen on Dave's video. I would say there's a problem with that matte display since I don't see fuzzy text on my high-res matte displays.
Anyway, it's good there are options, glossy and matte. Even Apple offers matte for their glossy displays, because there are people who prefer matte. So it seems there are people who are willing to pay higher price (to Apple) to buy lousier quality matte displays.
@@teohontech7141 there is no anto-reflective coating there, the reflections on it were evident to the max.
"Apple does have the best glossy display and that's thanks to their strong anti-reflective coating. " then... why are their screens so reflective? Dave demonstrated it perfectly, they reflect everything when the screen is dark of off, just like any glossy display.
"I can see in the Dave's video that the colours and contrast are indeed better. But is it better to the extent that you can call matte display bad" bad compared to glossy. If you only use matte screen it may look ok. But I recently bought a glossy monitor(I could barely find one) and it's like a dust curtain was removed from it. Bright, colorful, high contrast, blacks are black and not grey anymore, the colors are vivid and natural-looking.
"since I don't see fuzzy text on my high-res matte displays. " I do. I used numerous matte displays in my life and they reflect light exactly the same way as shown in his video(he was filming in a studio), and they are completely unusable on a sunny day without curtains.
Like I said that's just how laws of physics work. You can't just distort light coming from the outside without doing the same with light coming from the inside.
"Anyway, it's good there are options, glossy and matte." do you and I even live in the same universe? No, there aren't any options, for most segments that is. Try finding a glossy display on a budget to mid-range gaming laptop. You know how many glossy options are there? ZERO. Same with desktop gaming displays. I could barely find a glossy display on the market but even that one pretty much a TV-converted-into-a-monitor, not a proper monitor. It's 32 inches and only 1080p resolution(great at watching movies but far from the best for using text), and that's because there are almost no options. It has a decent response time of 5ms and 75hz, but still, I'd prefer a higher pixel density, but it's just not a thing on glossy displays anymore.
And you know why? One of main reasons is because youtubers like you always praise matte coating without mentioning it's downsides. You keep talking about how great it is that a matte display doesn't have reflections and yet fail to mention that you sacrifice image qiality for it. So people blindly go and buy matte displays, many not even knowing that image is not the same on them, despite you making an otherwise impression of it based on your review. As a result, display manufacturers see the lack of interest in glossy displays and have pretty much stopped making them, especially on gaming devices. As a reviewer, it's your obligation to be objective, and mention both sides of the coin, not just the positives.