At 4:07 forgot to mention but your level changes the multiplier of damage you do. So if your not one shotting enemies in the outer world, it’s mostly your level. This was datamined info from CTOBN again so thanks a lot to him
At the end of the day it’s a game so people should do whatever it’s fun to them, I’m doing my first play through and I’m going all in on luck, will not add anything to anything else until luck is max, maybe it’s useless or whatever but I think it should be fun in my own head cannon
It might stick out more with particular passives and higher atk value gear making the weight values higher, especially since you get gear that give additional effects, where you can get things like a staff that boosts ice damage from the belega corridor superior rusted arms drops, though the rings seem to just be +3 to a specific stat equip, unlike the +6 str equip the gustaruos drops. I kinda regret I forgot to purify 3 of my 4 pieces of gear before heading to the corridor because that dragon weapon going up by nearly a 50% attack increase in base value even if its attacks get fixed to fire, would really stand out for warrior who already went from hitting around 70ish with melee attacks up to 110ish with strohl once I got him to archetype 20 and got the +20% to slash damage and 2+ growth bonus to str. The game honestly put LESS weight into level up bonuses by allocating them to ARCHETYPE level equip values AND the archetype max level growth bonus. Since most archetypes tend to spread its stats at max 20 between +2 to +8ish on all 5 stats each, which by character level 20 can make up basically half a char’s stats. Either way this means getting seeker, mage and knight to max archetype will be valuable on a demo grind early lead, for the +20 hp, +20 mp and +2 end values respectively and apparently monk you get in cathedral gives +2 agi and merchant which can take a entire day and a half to acquire will likely be +2 luck on its tier 1 lineage and it has a money booster ver of mage’s overworld passive and can also boost acquistion gains mean using them as inherits will be great when bolstering gains while dungeon loop farmings. Either way if it’s gonna affect even just 20% of your total mod value, I would say that can really show. I decided to go with a mag + end focus since this game is definitely breathing that nocturne logic where hitting weakness is more critical to nearly double your turn count. Meanwhile physical classes like warrior appear to get skills to let them do killing blows that grant extra turns. Throw in the fact mage lineage has the best overworld passive and melee attack, an AoE wide spread spammer, it’s kinda just a good idea to focus on a magic build. Anyway, I expect later dungeons to be far easier to get over 100 to even 300+ archetype exp meaning far easier to loop grind to max more archetypes. And considering you gotta juggle over a dozen followers who rank cap at 8 and are all tied to unlocking archetypes, atleast the 6 or so in the demo, with sadly only enough time to unlock 5 of them in the 3 day span, it’s gonna be fun employing the persona 5 strat of blitzkrieg the ‘palace’ in one go to maximize as many days you spend building stats and rank ups instead. Atleast since they tied bonus stat ups thru requests instead of random activities as the days past, it shouldn’t be as much of a calculus course to sweep requests, especially if they tie some additional benefits later like enabling night activities after dungeon runs and what not.
Appreciate the info ! However there’s another fellow small content creator i want to reference. They prove your point with the magic stat but also show that the strength stat does indeed make a difference. They did a test using somewhere between 30-40 stats points before and after they were allocated. Not trying to promote someone else’s channel here but worth checking out so we are all well informed and learn from one another. “ Naz talgic “ is their name It’s the 4:00 mark of the following video Ultimate Beginner Guide~Metaphor: Refantazio
Agility impacts evasion and hit rate. Not gonna lie, Agility/Luck for Crits may be the "meta" play somewhat. Misses costing enemies 2 moves is super clutch. I cant see magic being significantly worse/better than strength really, just depends on how you want to build your Leader. Unfortunately though Magic does not impact the amount healed which is unfortunate.
@@Alistair_7609According to the talking tooth, Luck is also great for multi-hit moves landing all hits, recovering from ailments on top of the crit and item drop rate. It sounds worth it to me. That and Agility.
@TrickstarEX bare in mind you can naturally get all stats to about lvl 40 by levelling up (+20) and mastering all jobs (+15) I don't think it's worth getting it much higher when you could cap 3 stats with archetype bonuses. Str, end, agi for example
None of this matters, especially on normal difficulty. On my first playthrough, im going to allocate my points equally between strength and magic. I want my mc to be able to use all archetypes fairly decently. The second playthough is when I'll focus on a specialized build.
im doing the same thing and its working fine on hard, might save 20ish points for agi or end but im waiting for the stat formulas to drop. agi was useless in smtv
Taking out enemies in the open world is based on levels mostly. Maybe some from stat damage. But if you are the same level or even 1 level above, you can't one shot.
So my takeaway should be that your magic damage would always be at least good enough to use for the content you're in as long as your weapon is up to date?
I went 2:1 luck and agility because I want to try ailments and Summoner sounds like it needs enemy drops, and it feels fine so far. I'm hoping it surprises me and pays off.
This is still the prologue and the spells available have LOW magic scaling. Wait for the higher tier spells and some synthesis skills that require magic scaling And Im not sure about this, but would *magic affect max SP?*
for anyone doing a physical build, don't level luck, its a complete waste. the formula for crit is (luck + 50)/(enemy luck +50)+skill crit chance basically if the enemy has 50 luck, and you have 100, you only get an extra 1.5% crit chance, definitely not worth putting half your levels into
Totally disagree with this. I am on hard mode, at the 4th main hub and my magic just destroys enemies and bosses. Even early on it felt good once I got mage as well.
The magic formula is weaker compared to phys And the numbers are just generally weaker Magic formula is 1.7 Phys is 1.8 Strongest physical move is stonecleaver with a output of 550 While magic struggles to even get that far It doesn’t mean you can’t destroy enemies with magic but phys is just better Factually
@@Legendaryyy77 Until you fight enemies with High phy resist or repel phys in general. I always think you should have at least 1 magic user on your team. I chose mine to be the main character.
I'm still a little on the fence about this in the long term only because we don't know how weapons will scale later. Right now the difference in their stats is pretty substantial because we're working with small numbers, but each new weapon we get has been consistently adding around 30 more atk than the last, so it makes me think there will be a turning point eventually where the core stat of an ability will matter more than the weapon atk. I'll make sure to keep an eye on your channel to see how things will develop!
I've put everything into agility and I think while not the worst, probably would have been better to do something like +3 str +1 agility every 4 levels and on 5th level +1 luck. What you think about this?
Magic is the best way to go. Other companions can go with physical and such but going with magic is the most versatile for an mc- and i want to play more of a support/magiv dps route cus Sthrol and Hulkenberg fits the brute strenght role more.
someone is gonna go full en build. i wish there was a stat reset item because then i could go full magic build due to my bias and see how well it works out. but from the sounds of it it doesnt. at all.
I'm still on the fence about buying this game for one reason: I value highly replaybility, and if once again social links don't carry over to NG+... I'll pass. That being said, in relation to the video, SPOILERS ahead. Don't read if you want a fresh/blind experience. Apparently, the MC's ultimate skill is an Almighty physical move. So, there's also that.
@@OrukaBlanca Honestly, even if everything gets carried over (level, archetypes, etc) except social links, I'd still pass. For a second playthrough it's boring. After playing P4 on relase, P4G on the Vita, P5 and then Royal... yeah, no. If I want to have fun with builds and the gameplay, that aspect of the game just makes it tedious
@@TheTrankusFor what it’s worth, social links are a lot less of a chore in this game because it’s just one event per rank, rather than needing multiple to raise affinity first
I don't have the game yet. How does the regicide difficulty work? Is it NG+ only, or can you select it on a fresh save and is it like P3R mercilles where you can't switch back to it after changing to a lower difficulty so do I need to start a new game or can I continue from demo save and still play on regicide?
so equip affects skills in this game? HELL YEAH makes me happy, like very happy cuase in persona gear was trash (also very timely video i just started the demo download. can you reset stats?
@@Legendaryyy77 kinda sad i figured after smt v that they would allow you to respec (outside of the ones you got from starting choice) cause normally i am the wierd one who would spec super hard into magic, even if not optimal. now the question we will have to find out later is just. is magic bad in general or is it just that phys is still king.
this is kinda wierd, you say stats dontr really matter so dont go magic, but by that same logic surely you could avoid str as well and go say en/agi/luck instead
@@eddiealva9751umm, I got bad news for you. If this is following the same mechanics for magic as in persona and SMT. Magic skills can not get crits. Magic is mainly for hitting weakness, and afflicting status conditions.
@@DoctorCarthif I didn’t commit to a weakness and survivability build, full dump agi might be nice if you wanna play a physical focus protagonist and abuse critical strikes with low hit rate like crazy. Granted, I rather just exploit the hell outta inherits and dmg flexibility to get nearly double the turns so I can nuke, heal/buff up and blast even harder the next turn over. Aka the coveted nocturne strategy to minimize as much chances for the enemy to delete you, since belega corridor proved they will have VERY nasty enemies that could one turn obliterate your party without needing to hit crits and if they hit that and weakness, they will ride you to death town even if your levels are equal to them.
it also has the persona 3 elements lmaoo, looks amazing tho (stab, bash, pierce for physical). then the normal magic types, and finally dark and light. idk if the game has almighty yet tho
@@chisatenwith a merchant archetype that should sport high luck bonus and a passive to boost money and item drop acquisitions that is a sound path to take. Just due to how you acquire monk and merchant respectively, doesn’t give enough time in the demo to get both and be able to use both in a dungeon after. Though you can do belega corridor on day 2 and then cathedral on day 3 so you can pick up merchant on day 4 or vice versa of day 3 and 4, once the full game is out.
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At 4:07 forgot to mention but your level changes the multiplier of damage you do. So if your not one shotting enemies in the outer world, it’s mostly your level.
This was datamined info from CTOBN again so thanks a lot to him
At the end of the day it’s a game so people should do whatever it’s fun to them, I’m doing my first play through and I’m going all in on luck, will not add anything to anything else until luck is max, maybe it’s useless or whatever but I think it should be fun in my own head cannon
I lowkey like that stats matter less. And that it’s more about equipment. I also noticed magic doesn’t affect your healing abilites much either!
Yep ^^^
Huge change for ATLUS ngl
It might stick out more with particular passives and higher atk value gear making the weight values higher, especially since you get gear that give additional effects, where you can get things like a staff that boosts ice damage from the belega corridor superior rusted arms drops, though the rings seem to just be +3 to a specific stat equip, unlike the +6 str equip the gustaruos drops.
I kinda regret I forgot to purify 3 of my 4 pieces of gear before heading to the corridor because that dragon weapon going up by nearly a 50% attack increase in base value even if its attacks get fixed to fire, would really stand out for warrior who already went from hitting around 70ish with melee attacks up to 110ish with strohl once I got him to archetype 20 and got the +20% to slash damage and 2+ growth bonus to str.
The game honestly put LESS weight into level up bonuses by allocating them to ARCHETYPE level equip values AND the archetype max level growth bonus.
Since most archetypes tend to spread its stats at max 20 between +2 to +8ish on all 5 stats each, which by character level 20 can make up basically half a char’s stats.
Either way this means getting seeker, mage and knight to max archetype will be valuable on a demo grind early lead, for the +20 hp, +20 mp and +2 end values respectively and apparently monk you get in cathedral gives +2 agi and merchant which can take a entire day and a half to acquire will likely be +2 luck on its tier 1 lineage and it has a money booster ver of mage’s overworld passive and can also boost acquistion gains mean using them as inherits will be great when bolstering gains while dungeon loop farmings.
Either way if it’s gonna affect even just 20% of your total mod value, I would say that can really show.
I decided to go with a mag + end focus since this game is definitely breathing that nocturne logic where hitting weakness is more critical to nearly double your turn count.
Meanwhile physical classes like warrior appear to get skills to let them do killing blows that grant extra turns.
Throw in the fact mage lineage has the best overworld passive and melee attack, an AoE wide spread spammer, it’s kinda just a good idea to focus on a magic build.
Anyway, I expect later dungeons to be far easier to get over 100 to even 300+ archetype exp meaning far easier to loop grind to max more archetypes.
And considering you gotta juggle over a dozen followers who rank cap at 8 and are all tied to unlocking archetypes, atleast the 6 or so in the demo, with sadly only enough time to unlock 5 of them in the 3 day span, it’s gonna be fun employing the persona 5 strat of blitzkrieg the ‘palace’ in one go to maximize as many days you spend building stats and rank ups instead.
Atleast since they tied bonus stat ups thru requests instead of random activities as the days past, it shouldn’t be as much of a calculus course to sweep requests, especially if they tie some additional benefits later like enabling night activities after dungeon runs and what not.
magic doesnt effect healing at all, but weapon damage does
Appreciate the info !
However there’s another fellow small content creator i want to reference. They prove your point with the magic stat but also show that the strength stat does indeed make a difference.
They did a test using somewhere between 30-40 stats points before and after they were allocated.
Not trying to promote someone else’s channel here but worth checking out so we are all well informed and learn from one another.
“ Naz talgic “ is their name
It’s the 4:00 mark of the following video
Ultimate Beginner Guide~Metaphor: Refantazio
just saw the guide
yeah he did a great amount of explaining!
Agility impacts evasion and hit rate. Not gonna lie, Agility/Luck for Crits may be the "meta" play somewhat. Misses costing enemies 2 moves is super clutch.
I cant see magic being significantly worse/better than strength really, just depends on how you want to build your Leader. Unfortunately though Magic does not impact the amount healed which is unfortunate.
lol thanks, these are the 2 stats I was wondering about
I don't know I was nuking things with magic in the demo.
luck is useless, if you have 100 luck and the enemy has 50, you get a +1.5% crit chance. not worth a single point
@@Alistair_7609According to the talking tooth, Luck is also great for multi-hit moves landing all hits, recovering from ailments on top of the crit and item drop rate. It sounds worth it to me. That and Agility.
@TrickstarEX bare in mind you can naturally get all stats to about lvl 40 by levelling up (+20) and mastering all jobs (+15)
I don't think it's worth getting it much higher when you could cap 3 stats with archetype bonuses. Str, end, agi for example
None of this matters, especially on normal difficulty. On my first playthrough, im going to allocate my points equally between strength and magic. I want my mc to be able to use all archetypes fairly decently. The second playthough is when I'll focus on a specialized build.
I'm going for an Agi/Lck build. High-crit Dodge Tanks for days! And the boost to loot drops is a big plus.
im doing the same thing and its working fine on hard, might save 20ish points for agi or end but im waiting for the stat formulas to drop. agi was useless in smtv
Taking out enemies in the open world is based on levels mostly. Maybe some from stat damage. But if you are the same level or even 1 level above, you can't one shot.
Rip I went a magic build
You did good.
Magic 8s the best thing in this game.
Same
I went full luck
Magic was incredible in the demo not sure how it works further in. I was whooping with light in the demo.
Me too...
So my takeaway should be that your magic damage would always be at least good enough to use for the content you're in as long as your weapon is up to date?
Yes you're right
yeah but so is physical, they seem to have the exact same damage formula
I went 2:1 luck and agility because I want to try ailments and Summoner sounds like it needs enemy drops, and it feels fine so far. I'm hoping it surprises me and pays off.
This is still the prologue and the spells available have LOW magic scaling.
Wait for the higher tier spells and some synthesis skills that require magic scaling
And Im not sure about this, but would *magic affect max SP?*
no thats level
Agi is the best… if you miss a hit is very paintfull… agi is accuracy and evasion.
for anyone doing a physical build, don't level luck, its a complete waste.
the formula for crit is (luck + 50)/(enemy luck +50)+skill crit chance
basically if the enemy has 50 luck, and you have 100, you only get an extra 1.5% crit chance, definitely not worth putting half your levels into
Outside of that, there is a way to increase luck for free once a week. :)
Totally disagree with this. I am on hard mode, at the 4th main hub and my magic just destroys enemies and bosses. Even early on it felt good once I got mage as well.
The magic formula is weaker compared to phys
And the numbers are just generally weaker
Magic formula is 1.7
Phys is 1.8
Strongest physical move is stonecleaver with a output of 550
While magic struggles to even get that far
It doesn’t mean you can’t destroy enemies with magic but phys is just better
Factually
@@Legendaryyy77 Until you fight enemies with High phy resist or repel phys in general. I always think you should have at least 1 magic user on your team. I chose mine to be the main character.
I'm still a little on the fence about this in the long term only because we don't know how weapons will scale later. Right now the difference in their stats is pretty substantial because we're working with small numbers, but each new weapon we get has been consistently adding around 30 more atk than the last, so it makes me think there will be a turning point eventually where the core stat of an ability will matter more than the weapon atk. I'll make sure to keep an eye on your channel to see how things will develop!
hey thanks
have a good time with the game
I've put everything into agility and I think while not the worst, probably would have been better to do something like +3 str +1 agility every 4 levels and on 5th level +1 luck. What you think about this?
3:00 reminded me of Strange Journey Stat bonuses.
You sure are grinding your life in this game💔
me learning this after I dumped all my points into magic
Magic is the best way to go.
Other companions can go with physical and such but going with magic is the most versatile for an mc- and i want to play more of a support/magiv dps route cus Sthrol and Hulkenberg fits the brute strenght role more.
Ill invest in magic still but ill invest in agility and luck more after this video luckily im only lvl 10 after the demo
I went literally full mag because i went full str in my smtv v just to do something different and i'm already level 28😢
Hopefully there’s a stat relocate item
I'm sure it'll be worth it closer to end game, plus magic gives you more oppertunity to attack weak points
someone is gonna go full en build.
i wish there was a stat reset item because then i could go full magic build due to my bias and see how well it works out. but from the sounds of it it doesnt. at all.
smt 5 had a stat reset item so maybe this game does too
I balance it out with strength and magic.
I reserves it for the full game to allocate all but i would be happy if we can reallocate
I think persona, tensei and metaphor are like kamen rider they tranform with style
I'm still on the fence about buying this game for one reason: I value highly replaybility, and if once again social links don't carry over to NG+... I'll pass. That being said, in relation to the video, SPOILERS ahead. Don't read if you want a fresh/blind experience. Apparently, the MC's ultimate skill is an Almighty physical move. So, there's also that.
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No...things dont carry over to ng+ it just unlocks a new endgsme stuff
@@OrukaBlanca Honestly, even if everything gets carried over (level, archetypes, etc) except social links, I'd still pass. For a second playthrough it's boring. After playing P4 on relase, P4G on the Vita, P5 and then Royal... yeah, no. If I want to have fun with builds and the gameplay, that aspect of the game just makes it tedious
On the fence this is goty my friend. Buy it.
@@TheTrankusFor what it’s worth, social links are a lot less of a chore in this game because it’s just one event per rank, rather than needing multiple to raise affinity first
@@joaopereira4218 Maybe it's goty for you. As I said, I value replaybility
If you don’t fight the dragon in the beginning can you you go back later to fight it ?
no
I don't have the game yet. How does the regicide difficulty work? Is it NG+ only, or can you select it on a fresh save and is it like P3R mercilles where you can't switch back to it after changing to a lower difficulty so do I need to start a new game or can I continue from demo save and still play on regicide?
Regicide is just hard but you can’t use the reset button
@@Legendaryyy77 bruh
@@LesoTheGamerboy and it’s locked behind NG+
@@Legendaryyy77 Bruh. What the hell is even the point of the mode.
Well I guess I’ll just start a new game Cause they made the dragon seems as if it was unbeatable
so equip affects skills in this game? HELL YEAH makes me happy, like very happy cuase in persona gear was trash
(also very timely video i just started the demo download. can you reset stats?
You cannot reset stats. If you wanna hold off from allocating them when you level up you can
@@Legendaryyy77 kinda sad i figured after smt v that they would allow you to respec (outside of the ones you got from starting choice) cause normally i am the wierd one who would spec super hard into magic, even if not optimal. now the question we will have to find out later is just. is magic bad in general or is it just that phys is still king.
@@Legendaryyy77
Is that confirmed we cannot reset stats in the full game? I know we can't in the demo but plenty more game coming on Friday.
well there was a item called "tablet" in SMTVV that let you relocate them so actually
maybe
its not confirmed but we will see
@@Legendaryyy77 yeah we will. and im sure if its not in there it gets modded real quick
Hey blud, nearly level 30 is wild lol. I’m 19 and thought I was grinding lol
@@joebarrett29 yeah I was farming + maxing archetypes
this is kinda wierd, you say stats dontr really matter so dont go magic, but by that same logic surely you could avoid str as well and go say en/agi/luck instead
Becuz this game is strength biased BADLY
@@Legendaryyy77Does Gunner/Sniper strength as well? It's my favorite right now :)
Going full magic 😂
Same! Magic and luck! Lucky critical hit magic! 😂
@@eddiealva9751umm, I got bad news for you. If this is following the same mechanics for magic as in persona and SMT. Magic skills can not get crits.
Magic is mainly for hitting weakness, and afflicting status conditions.
Wait till anti physical mobs
There are a few sure
But you got your fire purified dragon weapon
Agility does nothing 🗣️
Also true
Wish I kinda mentioned this
Magic and agility are on the lower spectrum
Agility increases evasion and hit rate so actually worth it, compared to like endurance where the scaling is awful
@@DoctorCarthif I didn’t commit to a weakness and survivability build, full dump agi might be nice if you wanna play a physical focus protagonist and abuse critical strikes with low hit rate like crazy.
Granted, I rather just exploit the hell outta inherits and dmg flexibility to get nearly double the turns so I can nuke, heal/buff up and blast even harder the next turn over.
Aka the coveted nocturne strategy to minimize as much chances for the enemy to delete you, since belega corridor proved they will have VERY nasty enemies that could one turn obliterate your party without needing to hit crits and if they hit that and weakness, they will ride you to death town even if your levels are equal to them.
@@Legendaryyy77 I've been seeing mixed information, where does it say what each stat does?
@@FAITERA discord.gg/megaten
Join this server
I will just put everything into st, I like to unga my way into victory
you only need about 75 str to cap out with job bonus stats, consider doing 50 50 with end
@@Alistair_7609 thx
Smt3 called it want it stats back
it also has the persona 3 elements lmaoo, looks amazing tho (stab, bash, pierce for physical). then the normal magic types, and finally dark and light. idk if the game has almighty yet tho
full luck
Crit moment
I am going for luck partly because of increasing item drops. As I do a ton of farming, I figured that would help with getting stuff to equip and sell.
@@chisatenwith a merchant archetype that should sport high luck bonus and a passive to boost money and item drop acquisitions that is a sound path to take.
Just due to how you acquire monk and merchant respectively, doesn’t give enough time in the demo to get both and be able to use both in a dungeon after.
Though you can do belega corridor on day 2 and then cathedral on day 3 so you can pick up merchant on day 4 or vice versa of day 3 and 4, once the full game is out.
I have luck build
W
Max Luck is the only viable build
I see you are a man of culture as well
I knew magic build was trash
Yeah this game is HEAVILY phys favored