I'm a new entry into the ADV/Dual sport space from road riding and I need to learn the basics somewhere. This was clear and to the point. I will refer back to this video when I get ready to click "buy" on a set of bags.
I'll throw in another vote for Nelson Rigg. Regardless of price, I actually appreciate the simple design. I like one big bag that I can put a bunch of stuff into, and organize it into smaller bags/containers myself. All the various compartments and buckles and features of other bags are just extra weight, complexity, water ingress, and failure points. I've had two sets of them and they proved nearly indestructible through many many crashes, and have never leaked, even after days in the pouring rain. I eventually broke enough buckles on my old bags to justify new ones, which are now even more indestructible with metal buckles! I also have a set of rackless Kriega OS bags, which are super light, super durable, and nice looking. Unfortunately they are also very expensive and have been not that waterproof.
More well needed great advice from you Ben. And I think from now on, when people are wanting similar advice that’s easy peasy to understand with tutorials, I’m going to definitely refer them to your channel.
I use the Kriega US Tailpacks. I can strap them on my raod bike, scrambler & dual sport & easily switch between bikes as needed. Plus, because they connect together I can carry as little as 10 L or as much as 80 L between the 4 bags I own (1 x 10 L, 2 x 20 l & 1 x 30 L). And they work as an every day commuter bag as well. I usually have a 20 L & 30 L bag stuffed inside the 10 L in case I need to hit up the grocery store or do some other shopping on the way home.
I have the Kriega OS-12 set up with 2 US-10 bags. Very customizable, from a tools only day trip to a full week with camping set up trip in a matter of minutes.
Love the content. I think luggage on motorcycles is a hard area to narrow down to a single solution if you ride different profiles. I use Mosko Reckless 80's on my Honda 300 Rally, and swap between Bumot hard cases and Mosko Backcountry Panniers on my R1250GSA depending on what I'm doing. Safety, bike protection and durability of the soft luggage when off-road is hard to beat....but when you are on a predominately road trip, the volume, security and ease of use of hard cases win hands down. Thanks for the great videos and content!
10:39 Like you mentioned, wider can be a problem with with panniers and racks. Back in 2012-2013 I had a first gen KLR. I had racks and hard (plastic) panniers on it. One time I pulled in to a gas station to the pump near the end, the one closest to me as I pulled in off the road, because the other pumps were in use. Like usual, we want to get close to the pump if we don't see the need to get off the bike when fueling up. I bonked my pannier into the bollard (pole) at the end of the pump island when I pulled in to close. I almost tipped over.
I have been very happy with my Hurricane Nelson Rigg bags. They are waterproof and don't need a dry sack. They are an incredible value and have a lifetime warranty. I have tested this warranty and was shocked at how easy it was. Just sent a picture of the damage and of the back destroyed (instead of returning), and they shipped me a brand new back. I had the replacement bag in less than a week. That is why I am a big fan of the Nelson Rigg bags.
I love these luggage videos! This is great info that I’ve been looking for as a newer adventure rider looking to get into moto camping also, so the more information I can get, the better.
On my XR650L, I use the Tusk Highland X2 with a Giant Loop Tillamook across the top for long trips. Depending on location, I strap Armadillo bags and Cactus Canteens to those bags.
I started off with the Tusk Excursion rackless and have been customizing to adapt it to my needs. I have added giant loop possibilities pouches to them along with adding aluminum molle panel to the tops of each side bag. Love your channel and keep being excellent!
I run the Lone Rider hybrid panniers, Givi top case (the one that fits two helmets) and a Giantloop tank bag that I'm blanking the size of now. I use my Tiger for all sorts of stuff since its my only vehicle so the setup was intended to be used for grocery shopping, camping, and traveling which it does extremely well. One drawback to the Lone Rider hybrid panniers is they are quite heavy for being 'soft' luggage, but they are extremely high quality and very reliable. Customer service is also top notch. Had something crack on me (it was plastic) and they were prompt to get it replaced at no extra charge. Would highly recommend them if anyone wants something that isn't hard luggage.
I've got a current gen Tiger 1200. I've got racks and a full set of metal boxes. Triumph branded, but made by Givi. I came within a gnat's eyelash of ordering Lone Rider bags, but marrying them with my existing hardware looked like it might be problematic. I didn't want to have to deal with returning them. Instead, I opted for the large Givi Canyon bags. You clamp a plastic plate to the pannier racks (which fit perfectly because they're Givi too) and the bags have a hard backing, like the LR Moto Bags. They simply mount onto the plastic plate, and they lock on with a keyed lock. For extra stuff, I bought a 50L Givi roll top duffle bag that I Rok Strap to my passenger seat. I mounted a RotoPax to my top box plate. I can switch between hard and soft bag systems in
En mi caso me gusta el sistema Rackless. Tengo uno de GL de 12lts, y uno de Tusk de 50lts. Me gusta que es ligero, y no añade peso extra de las sujeciones metálicas. Además es modular, al poder utilizar diferentes opciones sobre los sistemas. En mi caso lo utilizo en una KTM 790adv para viajar con mi esposa. Gracias por el video, este es un tema que me interesa. Saludos desde Argentina.
Good info Ben. Thanks for sharing. I started with Nelson Rigg panniers / saddle bags but later on moved to the Mosko panniers. Since I bought the Mosko gear there have been several less expensive options come out like Tusk. Love my Mosko gear but damn it was pricey
I used small soft saddlebags and a small backpack on a XR650R, and stayed in motels. Rode Baja, Nevada and California backcountry for a week to two weeks at a time. (Yes, I know how to camp, I hiked the John Muir Trail 40yrs ago, now I like comfort and good food)
Bought a used bike already kitted out with Kreiga OS bags. Very happy with them. Also picked up a used mosko backcountry duffle off kijiji for the top as their beavertail top gives some great storage flexibility
I am running the Tusk Expedition set up on my Gen 1 KLR 650. I did buy a medium dry duffel to use in place of the small when I want a little more capacity. I am still figuring out the best way to load my gear to get the most of the weight down low but the system works quite well. I am very pleased with the quality of construction also.
Yes, more luggage option videos, please! I'm considering buying a tw200 or a xl150 for my wife so we can do some gravel road exploring and camping. Would love to hear your opinions and options for smaller bikes like these.
I got the Giant Loop Siskyou saddlebag setup because it fits perfectly over my existing pannier racks, and because it was on clearance for some reason. Works great for a soft bag setup.
I use SW-Motech pro pannier racks and sysbag wp L panniers. I end up sw-motech pro racks because they are removable racks. Sysbag wp:s are quite roomy and light bags of their category, they also have quick release system. I have a 1year experience from those bags and i cant be any happier. Just bougt same series tank and top luggage. Highly recommendet.
I like the soft panniers due to ease of mounting and dismounting, and their capacity. (Of course, it may be excessive for short trips.) Overall, I find them a good compromise for shorter and longer trips as well as off- and on-road. My favorite is Bumot, as unlike most solutions, the hard plate that is mounted to the rack on most, is a part of the bag, so the rack is really unobtrusive when you have no bags. Anyway, thank you for the video!
I used a Giant Loop Great Basin bag on a Honda xr650r for a long time . There wasn’t a good place for the straps . I welded some oval chain link to some 3/4” strap iron . Then drilled a hole in the strap and used some existing bolts on the bike . Made getting the bag off very fast .
Being a broke ass Canadian my first luggage was a sketchers duffel bag I got from Winners held to the bike with sketchy looking cam strap placement. Now my luggage is a Rhinowalk tailbag and 2 Canadian Armed Forces issue big green duffel bags held on with sketchy looking cam strap placement. Moving up... The cheapest and most sketchy setup I seen was on Adv Rider where a guy turned a pair of waterproof coveralls into a DIY Giantloop bag; KLR rider naturally.
@@KingRory3845 Definitely looks like something out of the Maritimes I tell ya. I would really like to get a set of rackless Nelson rig though but I spend my money on gear so I will likely only get Wildheart or Rhinowalk.
@@MrKingsley lmao...is this where the Maritimers hang out? I've got the 25L Rhinowalk bags on DirtRack pannier racks on my 2023 KLR, and they're a great bag. Took a trip this past August from Sydney to Port Aux Basque, then up to Gros Morne, and on up to L'Anse Aux Meadow and back down. They're definitely waterproof as I had a day of fairly steady light rain, and dropped the bike in some mud on a side trail near Quirpon Nfld. The bag held up just fine.
Thank you for this. The taxonomy can get confusing! Aerostitch sells the big Ortlieb dry duffels; I upgraded to one during my cross-country trip last summer. It held all my camping gear, including my folding chair. Use the big Rok Straps to tie it down.
This is very useful content, and coming from an expert! Very helpful. I bought Shad racks for my Africa Twin with the idea I'll use a soft pannier setup that adapts to the Shad racks. For a quick starter on my Africa Twin, I also bought the 25L Oxford soft bags for just day tripping. They work well and look great. BTW, isn't there a famous character named Shadrack?😂
I have the Tusk Explorer 40 setup. I think i bought it through your links for my Royal Enfield Himalayan. I have since traded that in on a Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer. I installed the Tusks on it, but decided to put the Trekker panniers from Triumph on it for my cross country trip. I will be doing mostly road with some gravel/ dirt roads in Maine and Canada. I love the channel. I'm also thinking of doing some camping, but in Cabin types, and not tents . I've been in the gym the last year and a half after a career ending injury.
Have givi outback trekkers but they are very heavy! Last July I left Florida and did a two weeker through Appalachia with a 30L Mosko Scout duffle and Mosko tankbag. Initial regrets when leaving I'm facked don't have enough gear, but It actually worked out pretty well and made a super light setup on my not so light GSA.
Hard or soft rear bags was my concern. But you and others help me to decide. I decided I will drop my Transalp sometime so I chose Givi Canyon soft luggage with locking quick disconnect (no straps) as people have broken an ankle or leg falling over with their foot ending up under a hard luggage. The racks quick disconnect.
Got the Giant Loop Mojavi for day trips and the Coyote for this years BDR. Both fit great on the Tenere 700. Luggage is expensive, recommend buying it on Black Friday or when on sale. Thanks for the content!
Absolutely you can usually save at least 20% if you wait for a sale. Buying used is also an option because people buy this stuff and never use it so you can get brand new stuff for cheap
Got a set of Hepco and Becker Gobi side cases. They have KTM on them and I got them open box cheap. They are huge and pretty wide mounted. They worked for me but expensive to replace weathered worn patrs so now I'm looking for soft bags to replace them. Thanks for the video.
I still use a lot of older Wolfman stuff: have a couple of their tank bags also panniers and a great U-shaped throw over large bag. I also have the Giant loop Fandango tank and their Moto Trekk panniers I run on my CRF250 Rally. You collect a lot of stuff over the years!
Love my Mosko rackless bags to keep weight low and closer to the center of gravity. The 40 liter works well for weekend trips and the 80 liter for a week or more. I prefer to use a larger dry duffel on top as it affords extra space when needed for grocery/beer stops before finding a camp location. Got a bag that sits nicely between the headlight cowl and windscreen for wallet, keys, charging cables, tire guage, hat, beanie, etc. A smaller backpack for hydration, snacks and whatnot. Not a fan of tank bags.
I bought my '23 890 used with tusk racks and hard cases which I use during the week and I have Tusk Pilots and a few different size drybags for camping/trips. I also have an original set of GL Mototrekks (the 21L) version, but the shape and very short top make it difficult to get anything in those so I will strap them on for the day trip stuff. I would absolutely try rackless if i didn't commute on the bike though.
Started with a set of used Nelson riggs sierra bags. They work great, but after an unschedualed dismount, the left bag tore. I picked up a set of the tusk bags for next season. Hopeing to have a couple trips this year.
So I just got 2009 klr 650 plans of riding gravel roads and highway so watched all kinds of videos of different motorcycles never gave any thought of safety gear and other I’m thinking maybe I should have been a decedent of John D Rockefeller I can’t believe this stuff would be so expensive I’ll have way more money in safety gear then I paid for a used bike thanks Dork for your video
My specific motorcycle camping gear setup involves the wife in her Pathfinder (generally) following me around carrying the gear. No added weight on the bike that way but it's also MUCH more expensive.
Great work putting this video together! Have to respectfully disagree that rackless luggage is difficult to install/remove with no quick release systems. Kriega have this aspect absolutely dialled with their OS system; couldn’t be simpler to install and remove.
@@DorkintheRoad Fair point. What I meant to get across is that Kriega’s OS Base essentially is a quick release system. Have you used that rackless setup at all? It can be removed or fitted in less than 1 minute.
I’ll give my 2 cents because I went for the most affordable yet easy to deal with set up. Givi pannier racks $200 Nelson rigg hurricane soft panniers - $200 Universal Amazon top case - $100 70L Earthpack Drybag - $50 I ride a Super Tenere and I do big cross country tours with light offroad like gravel roads and easy trails. I really like this set up because I have the soft bags on the side for safety and I have the hard top case for easy in and out when stopping for fuel or whatever I can quickly grab a bottle of water or snack out of the top case and not have to deal with a toll top. And the dry bag duffle goes behind me on the passenger seat. I carry my MSR Xplorer suit in the left side of the soft bags, I carry all my tools and repair items on the right side. I carry all my camping gear in the duffle bag behind me and I carry all my random things like water bottles, snacks and mild lays for easy access in the top case. Just did a 5,000 mile tour and it worked fantastic, won’t change a thing
I would like to see you include Nelson Rigg in your luggage content. They have some excellent budget friendly options that would be applicable to your audience of new adv and dual sport riders.
Yes, this was useful! I'm still on the fence about what luggage I want for my DR-Z 400S. A friend has the Tusk Olympus on his DR-Z, but that's way overkill for my needs. He has that size because he hauls stuff for him and his wife.
I'd never put panniers on a dual sport. The highland is probably what I would run on a DRZ. I like the excursion but they're too small for camping for me anyway.
@ Thanks for the tip. His DRZ looks like a wide load even with just the racks on them. The way I thrash my DRZ on everyday riding , I’d probably mangle the racks .
A relative new player on the scene is rhino walk … tried a couple versions and certainly not Mosko quality but cheap bags that get the job done … and if it’s a concern, they are made in the USA …
Personally for me when it comes to duffle bags, the difference between top loaders and side loaders like the Giant Loop option is key. Top loaders are much easier to organize and extract, especially if luggage is still sitting on the bike. In contrast for items in the middle of the side loader type bags, you have to pull out items to get to the item you need. Liked the GL bag a lot, but ended up selling in favor of a roll top variation...
I am running the Tusk Pilot soft panniers with the Tusk pannier rack on my T7. Is it the best? No. You need the quick release additions to the bags to make them truly useful for quicker removal. But for the price I can buy two sets of these bags, with the quick release, and still be well under the price point of GL or Mosko Moto.
A question - where to put a small tent? Inside drybag or into another bag? Inside is better IMO as you don't have to fiddle with mounting additional bags. BUT a tent can get dirty and wet. What then?
I run Wolfman soft luggage both a set of rackless and on other bike rack Wolfman. Why cause they are 1/3 the cost of all the others, so far work just as well
Dork I was just literally looking for a video like this! Need one that would be compatible on both a 23 Pan Am Special and 25 Ibex 450 when it comes to US!!!
I'm starting out with a hi-viz yellow dry duffle bag. I plan to mount it (stuffed with old pillows) for most rides, just for the extra visibility. Why are there so few hi-viz options from most manufacturers? I found quite a few on Amazon from lesser known manufacturers, but I question the quality.
I bought the reckless 80 about 8 years ago on a pre-production sale of some kind, it was about half what they charge now. I could never justify that cost nowadays if I ever have to replace it. It's held out really well though, I spent 6 weeks with it on the bike this year. Definitely a pain at hotels, it takes me like 20 minutes to cart all my crap inside, and even longer to remount the next day. Too awkward and heavy to carry the whole thing inside, too many pieces to bring inside with a single trip. But I only stay in hotels like 3 times a year. I picked up a set of those "cheap" rhinowalk side bags I think they're 14L per side. But they're super floppy on the bike, so I haven't used them for anything yet. Waiting for an all pavement trip where I only need 28L of stuff? May never happen lol. I can only fit my base camping gear - no food, water, clothing, or tools. Any bigger size though, and I'm sure I'd fling the floppy bastards right off the bike, even on pavement. They'd be ok if you had some sort of structure underneath to strap them down.
@@DorkintheRoad I would suggest it depends on one's use case...if you're a low intensity user of these products, savings of 90% for something that you use 10% of the time may save a significant amount. I can buy a lot of part-time RhinoWalk bags for the cost of any of the suggested pieces. Will they last a lifetime? No. Will they do what I want once or twice a year? Yup. But to your point, buying someone else's used high end system might be the best bet at the end of the day. Time for a Point/Counterpoint series?
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos-they’ve been super helpful in answering a lot of my questions as a new rider. I recently got a Himalayan 450 and am currently exploring luggage options. I saw one of ADV Matt’s videos about his DIY rackless luggage system using the Rhinowalk base system. I really like the idea of a modular setup but am not 100% sure if it’s a smart investment. I’d love to hear your opinion! P.S. I’m also curious about the GIVI Canyon Universal Saddle Base. What are your thoughts on it?
Dear Mr Dork I do not recall any casual or formal comparison of the CRF450rl and the KTM 500 (family) from you. I am interested in your opinion and view. I have heard many opinions of the two, but you do provide a different angled view on many moto things than the rest of the pack. Whatya say good sir? Please assume they will both be fitted with a GET ECU in this comparison.
I mean I built a 450L and talked about it a lot... I like it but it needs a lot of work to be functional for what I do. The 500 is great right out of the box especially at the prices they're going for right now.
I have the mosko reckless 80. With the knoblin it's minutes on and off. Downside is organization need to keep track of where you put your shit or it's a pain. I love the setup tho.
Good overview, but I'd have to disagree with the comment that rackless bags aren't "quick release". My Mosko Reckless 80 can go on and off the bike in no time at all. Release two straps, and pop the entire base plate off the Knoblin with the side holsters still attached. Piece of cake to put on and take off the bike, or switch from one bike to another. Awesome system.
Yes but compared to just popping off a soft pannier on a quick release mount, that's an eternity AND you have to run the straps back through and around the frame when you reinstall. No, it doesn't take long but it's not the 2 second removal that a soft pannier can be.
@@DorkintheRoad I have cleats mounted permanently where the passenger pegs used to be, so no dicking around with snaking straps around frame tubes etc...Granted, it's not 2 seconds, but if I'm so busy that I can't spare 2 minutes( if I take my time ) to attach/remove my bags, then something is seriously wrong with my life!
Rackless saddlebags were literally a third of the video? If you mean the old school throw over kind they don't really work on dual sport and adventure bikes.
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My wife tells me to stop buying so many motorcycle purses...
Your wife is a very unreasonable woman. Has she been talking to my wife?
As a single man, my motorcycle purse collection is bordering on unreasonable.
Wifes!
What do the know???
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“unscheduled dismount” is my new favorite term, thanks for that. 😂
I'm a new entry into the ADV/Dual sport space from road riding and I need to learn the basics somewhere. This was clear and to the point. I will refer back to this video when I get ready to click "buy" on a set of bags.
I've had VERY good experience with Nelson Rigg bags. Nice economy price and lifetime warranty.
I'll throw in another vote for Nelson Rigg. Regardless of price, I actually appreciate the simple design. I like one big bag that I can put a bunch of stuff into, and organize it into smaller bags/containers myself. All the various compartments and buckles and features of other bags are just extra weight, complexity, water ingress, and failure points.
I've had two sets of them and they proved nearly indestructible through many many crashes, and have never leaked, even after days in the pouring rain. I eventually broke enough buckles on my old bags to justify new ones, which are now even more indestructible with metal buckles!
I also have a set of rackless Kriega OS bags, which are super light, super durable, and nice looking. Unfortunately they are also very expensive and have been not that waterproof.
More well needed great advice from you Ben. And I think from now on, when people are wanting similar advice that’s easy peasy to understand with tutorials, I’m going to definitely refer them to your channel.
Very kind of you
Damn, you are killing it recently with these educational videos and hot takes! Keep em coming dude!
Thank you!
I use the Kriega US Tailpacks. I can strap them on my raod bike, scrambler & dual sport & easily switch between bikes as needed. Plus, because they connect together I can carry as little as 10 L or as much as 80 L between the 4 bags I own (1 x 10 L, 2 x 20 l & 1 x 30 L). And they work as an every day commuter bag as well. I usually have a 20 L & 30 L bag stuffed inside the 10 L in case I need to hit up the grocery store or do some other shopping on the way home.
“Ask me how I know” is a phrase you use which is a reason why you are a reliable go-to resource!
I have the Kriega OS-12 set up with 2 US-10 bags. Very customizable, from a tools only day trip to a full week with camping set up trip in a matter of minutes.
Clear and structured, like everything you do!
Love my simple Tusk bags for day trips but the Mosko stuff is great and yes pricey....... Thanks for the info!
thanks for watching!
I, too, have the Tusk Excursion. Comes complete. Fits fantastic on the Beta. Half the price of the others. Works well.
Love the content. I think luggage on motorcycles is a hard area to narrow down to a single solution if you ride different profiles. I use Mosko Reckless 80's on my Honda 300 Rally, and swap between Bumot hard cases and Mosko Backcountry Panniers on my R1250GSA depending on what I'm doing. Safety, bike protection and durability of the soft luggage when off-road is hard to beat....but when you are on a predominately road trip, the volume, security and ease of use of hard cases win hands down. Thanks for the great videos and content!
Soft Luggage FTW! Hard cases are heavy, bulky and damage prone during off trail excursions.
10:39 Like you mentioned, wider can be a problem with with panniers and racks. Back in 2012-2013 I had a first gen KLR. I had racks and hard (plastic) panniers on it. One time I pulled in to a gas station to the pump near the end, the one closest to me as I pulled in off the road, because the other pumps were in use. Like usual, we want to get close to the pump if we don't see the need to get off the bike when fueling up. I bonked my pannier into the bollard (pole) at the end of the pump island when I pulled in to close. I almost tipped over.
I have been very happy with my Hurricane Nelson Rigg bags. They are waterproof and don't need a dry sack. They are an incredible value and have a lifetime warranty. I have tested this warranty and was shocked at how easy it was. Just sent a picture of the damage and of the back destroyed (instead of returning), and they shipped me a brand new back. I had the replacement bag in less than a week. That is why I am a big fan of the Nelson Rigg bags.
I love these luggage videos! This is great info that I’ve been looking for as a newer adventure rider looking to get into moto camping also, so the more information I can get, the better.
On my XR650L, I use the Tusk Highland X2 with a Giant Loop Tillamook across the top for long trips. Depending on location, I strap Armadillo bags and Cactus Canteens to those bags.
Nice concise comparison Ben!
I started off with the Tusk Excursion rackless and have been customizing to adapt it to my needs. I have added giant loop possibilities pouches to them along with adding aluminum molle panel to the tops of each side bag. Love your channel and keep being excellent!
Keriga bags have served me well and find there way to latch on every bike in my garage .
I run the Lone Rider hybrid panniers, Givi top case (the one that fits two helmets) and a Giantloop tank bag that I'm blanking the size of now. I use my Tiger for all sorts of stuff since its my only vehicle so the setup was intended to be used for grocery shopping, camping, and traveling which it does extremely well. One drawback to the Lone Rider hybrid panniers is they are quite heavy for being 'soft' luggage, but they are extremely high quality and very reliable. Customer service is also top notch. Had something crack on me (it was plastic) and they were prompt to get it replaced at no extra charge. Would highly recommend them if anyone wants something that isn't hard luggage.
Fantastic overview. Thanks for this
I've got a current gen Tiger 1200. I've got racks and a full set of metal boxes. Triumph branded, but made by Givi. I came within a gnat's eyelash of ordering Lone Rider bags, but marrying them with my existing hardware looked like it might be problematic. I didn't want to have to deal with returning them. Instead, I opted for the large Givi Canyon bags. You clamp a plastic plate to the pannier racks (which fit perfectly because they're Givi too) and the bags have a hard backing, like the LR Moto Bags. They simply mount onto the plastic plate, and they lock on with a keyed lock. For extra stuff, I bought a 50L Givi roll top duffle bag that I Rok Strap to my passenger seat. I mounted a RotoPax to my top box plate. I can switch between hard and soft bag systems in
En mi caso me gusta el sistema Rackless. Tengo uno de GL de 12lts, y uno de Tusk de 50lts.
Me gusta que es ligero, y no añade peso extra de las sujeciones metálicas.
Además es modular, al poder utilizar diferentes opciones sobre los sistemas.
En mi caso lo utilizo en una KTM 790adv para viajar con mi esposa.
Gracias por el video, este es un tema que me interesa.
Saludos desde Argentina.
Good info Ben. Thanks for sharing. I started with Nelson Rigg panniers / saddle bags but later on moved to the Mosko panniers. Since I bought the Mosko gear there have been several less expensive options come out like Tusk. Love my Mosko gear but damn it was pricey
I used small soft saddlebags and a small backpack on a XR650R, and stayed in motels. Rode Baja, Nevada and California backcountry for a week to two weeks at a time.
(Yes, I know how to camp, I hiked the John Muir Trail 40yrs ago, now I like comfort and good food)
Bought a used bike already kitted out with Kreiga OS bags. Very happy with them. Also picked up a used mosko backcountry duffle off kijiji for the top as their beavertail top gives some great storage flexibility
your intro is sick i like that old video game style and sound lil
Great video. I have tried most of the options but I have now settled on the Kriega kit.
Great video, I’m running the Rinowalk soft bags, trying out of if I like the soft bags, so far I like them.
Very informative and I would add that Nelson Rigg is another option to look at. Hard to beat a lifetime warranty, design, and value. Great stuff
Let's see some luggage options on that Himalayan you have in the garage 🤟
I am running the Tusk Expedition set up on my Gen 1 KLR 650. I did buy a medium dry duffel to use in place of the small when I want a little more capacity. I am still figuring out the best way to load my gear to get the most of the weight down low but the system works quite well. I am very pleased with the quality of construction also.
Yes, more luggage option videos, please! I'm considering buying a tw200 or a xl150 for my wife so we can do some gravel road exploring and camping. Would love to hear your opinions and options for smaller bikes like these.
Giant loop coyote would be my go-to for those... But it's pretty much my favorite luggage setup ever so that's not a shock
I meant to say, "xr150l"
I got the Giant Loop Siskyou saddlebag setup because it fits perfectly over my existing pannier racks, and because it was on clearance for some reason. Works great for a soft bag setup.
Those are super underrated. Pretty much nobody knows about them
I use SW-Motech pro pannier racks and sysbag wp L panniers.
I end up sw-motech pro racks because they are removable racks. Sysbag wp:s are quite roomy and light bags of their category, they also have quick release system. I have a 1year experience from those bags and i cant be any happier. Just bougt same series tank and top luggage. Highly recommendet.
I have the Mosko Moto Reckless 80 and love em. Tough as nails, great looking, and very functional.
I even deliver bacon with it.
How do I get on your delivery list?
I like the soft panniers due to ease of mounting and dismounting, and their capacity. (Of course, it may be excessive for short trips.) Overall, I find them a good compromise for shorter and longer trips as well as off- and on-road. My favorite is Bumot, as unlike most solutions, the hard plate that is mounted to the rack on most, is a part of the bag, so the rack is really unobtrusive when you have no bags. Anyway, thank you for the video!
I used a Giant Loop Great Basin bag on a Honda xr650r for a long time . There wasn’t a good place for the straps . I welded some oval chain link to some 3/4” strap iron . Then drilled a hole in the strap and used some existing bolts on the bike . Made getting the bag off very fast .
That was a great informative and relatable video thanks for sharing Ben👊
Being a broke ass Canadian my first luggage was a sketchers duffel bag I got from Winners held to the bike with sketchy looking cam strap placement. Now my luggage is a Rhinowalk tailbag and 2 Canadian Armed Forces issue big green duffel bags held on with sketchy looking cam strap placement. Moving up...
The cheapest and most sketchy setup I seen was on Adv Rider where a guy turned a pair of waterproof coveralls into a DIY Giantloop bag; KLR rider naturally.
Awesome, love it!
@@KingRory3845 Definitely looks like something out of the Maritimes I tell ya. I would really like to get a set of rackless Nelson rig though but I spend my money on gear so I will likely only get Wildheart or Rhinowalk.
@@MrKingsley lmao...is this where the Maritimers hang out? I've got the 25L Rhinowalk bags on DirtRack pannier racks on my 2023 KLR, and they're a great bag. Took a trip this past August from Sydney to Port Aux Basque, then up to Gros Morne, and on up to L'Anse Aux Meadow and back down. They're definitely waterproof as I had a day of fairly steady light rain, and dropped the bike in some mud on a side trail near Quirpon Nfld. The bag held up just fine.
Thank you for this. The taxonomy can get confusing!
Aerostitch sells the big Ortlieb dry duffels; I upgraded to one during my cross-country trip last summer. It held all my camping gear, including my folding chair. Use the big Rok Straps to tie it down.
Excellent information
Thank you Ben for that awesome video epic seed behind you. I know it’s your property, but they fog and the hobbit like scene is awesome.
This is very useful content, and coming from an expert! Very helpful. I bought Shad racks for my Africa Twin with the idea I'll use a soft pannier setup that adapts to the Shad racks. For a quick starter on my Africa Twin, I also bought the 25L Oxford soft bags for just day tripping. They work well and look great. BTW, isn't there a famous character named Shadrack?😂
I have the Tusk Explorer 40 setup. I think i bought it through your links for my Royal Enfield Himalayan. I have since traded that in on a Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer. I installed the Tusks on it, but decided to put the Trekker panniers from Triumph on it for my cross country trip. I will be doing mostly road with some gravel/ dirt roads in Maine and Canada. I love the channel. I'm also thinking of doing some camping, but in Cabin types, and not tents . I've been in the gym the last year and a half after a career ending injury.
Have givi outback trekkers but they are very heavy! Last July I left Florida and did a two weeker through Appalachia with a 30L Mosko Scout duffle and Mosko tankbag.
Initial regrets when leaving I'm facked don't have enough gear, but It actually worked out pretty well and made a super light setup on my not so light GSA.
I have a pair of soft paniers. I can use them for most of my grocery shopping too!
Rhino walk has 2 quick locks on the top carrier rack. Can adjust for 3 different size racks you do not to buy
Hard or soft rear bags was my concern.
But you and others help me to decide.
I decided I will drop my Transalp sometime so I chose Givi Canyon soft luggage with locking quick disconnect (no straps) as people have broken an ankle or leg falling over with their foot ending up under a hard luggage.
The racks quick disconnect.
I got the Giantloop coyote bag because I liked the video you put out on it !
Thank you, Ben, for liking my comment !
Got the Giant Loop Mojavi for day trips and the Coyote for this years BDR. Both fit great on the Tenere 700. Luggage is expensive, recommend buying it on Black Friday or when on sale.
Thanks for the content!
Absolutely you can usually save at least 20% if you wait for a sale. Buying used is also an option because people buy this stuff and never use it so you can get brand new stuff for cheap
Got a set of Hepco and Becker Gobi side cases. They have KTM on them and I got them open box cheap. They are huge and pretty wide mounted. They worked for me but expensive to replace weathered worn patrs so now I'm looking for soft bags to replace them. Thanks for the video.
I still use a lot of older Wolfman stuff: have a couple of their tank bags also panniers and a great U-shaped throw over large bag. I also have the Giant loop Fandango tank and their Moto Trekk panniers I run on my CRF250 Rally. You collect a lot of stuff over the years!
Have the rack-less mosko moto 40l with the alpine 30l mosko moto for all the space I need 👍 keep up the great vids mate
Been thinking about getting the 30L for my 40 and 80. Looks like it's much easier to get in than the stingers. How do you like it?
@ yes mate really good bag would recommend it 👍
Love my Mosko rackless bags to keep weight low and closer to the center of gravity.
The 40 liter works well for weekend trips and the 80 liter for a week or more.
I prefer to use a larger dry duffel on top as it affords extra space when needed for grocery/beer stops before finding a camp location.
Got a bag that sits nicely between the headlight cowl and windscreen for wallet, keys, charging cables, tire guage, hat, beanie, etc.
A smaller backpack for hydration, snacks and whatnot.
Not a fan of tank bags.
I bought my '23 890 used with tusk racks and hard cases which I use during the week and I have Tusk Pilots and a few different size drybags for camping/trips. I also have an original set of GL Mototrekks (the 21L) version, but the shape and very short top make it difficult to get anything in those so I will strap them on for the day trip stuff. I would absolutely try rackless if i didn't commute on the bike though.
I use the Nelson-Rigg hurricane line, I have both the panniers and the reckless saddle bags. With the tank and tail bag. Good quality and price.
Started with a set of used Nelson riggs sierra bags. They work great, but after an unschedualed dismount, the left bag tore. I picked up a set of the tusk bags for next season. Hopeing to have a couple trips this year.
How can you skip Kriega, among the best affordable and versatile soft panniers
So I just got 2009 klr 650 plans of riding gravel roads and highway so watched all kinds of videos of different motorcycles never gave any thought of safety gear and other I’m thinking maybe I should have been a decedent of John D Rockefeller I can’t believe this stuff would be so expensive I’ll have way more money in safety gear then I paid for a used bike thanks Dork for your video
I think these luggage videos are very useful Ben. I wouldn’t be butt hurt if you did more of them if there is more info to share.
Lol good to hear
My specific motorcycle camping gear setup involves the wife in her Pathfinder (generally) following me around carrying the gear. No added weight on the bike that way but it's also MUCH more expensive.
Great work putting this video together! Have to respectfully disagree that rackless luggage is difficult to install/remove with no quick release systems. Kriega have this aspect absolutely dialled with their OS system; couldn’t be simpler to install and remove.
I didn't say it was difficult I said it was slower than a quick release. I can install a rackless bag in less than 5 minutes
@@DorkintheRoad Fair point. What I meant to get across is that Kriega’s OS Base essentially is a quick release system. Have you used that rackless setup at all? It can be removed or fitted in less than 1 minute.
I am planning on ordering the Rinohwalk 48L rackless system soon. At about $150 I figured it would be a good place to start.
Excellent!
I use the Giant Loop rack less Great Basin bag and the Tillamook duffle bag. They work well for me on my CRF 300 L.
I like the Great Basin a lot but I always put way too much stuff in lol
I’ll give my 2 cents because I went for the most affordable yet easy to deal with set up.
Givi pannier racks $200
Nelson rigg hurricane soft panniers - $200
Universal Amazon top case - $100
70L Earthpack Drybag - $50
I ride a Super Tenere and I do big cross country tours with light offroad like gravel roads and easy trails.
I really like this set up because I have the soft bags on the side for safety and I have the hard top case for easy in and out when stopping for fuel or whatever I can quickly grab a bottle of water or snack out of the top case and not have to deal with a toll top.
And the dry bag duffle goes behind me on the passenger seat.
I carry my MSR Xplorer suit in the left side of the soft bags, I carry all my tools and repair items on the right side. I carry all my camping gear in the duffle bag behind me and I carry all my random things like water bottles, snacks and mild lays for easy access in the top case.
Just did a 5,000 mile tour and it worked fantastic, won’t change a thing
I would like to see you include Nelson Rigg in your luggage content. They have some excellent budget friendly options that would be applicable to your audience of new adv and dual sport riders.
Yes, this was useful! I'm still on the fence about what luggage I want for my DR-Z 400S.
A friend has the Tusk Olympus on his DR-Z, but that's way overkill for my needs. He has that size because he hauls stuff for him and his wife.
I'd never put panniers on a dual sport. The highland is probably what I would run on a DRZ. I like the excursion but they're too small for camping for me anyway.
@ Thanks for the tip. His DRZ looks like a wide load even with just the racks on them. The way I thrash my DRZ on everyday riding , I’d probably mangle the racks .
A relative new player on the scene is rhino walk … tried a couple versions and certainly not Mosko quality but cheap bags that get the job done … and if it’s a concern, they are made in the USA …
Rhino Walk are definitely not made in the USA. They are manufactured in China, which is fine. They are a good option for the price.
Personally for me when it comes to duffle bags, the difference between top loaders and side loaders like the Giant Loop option is key. Top loaders are much easier to organize and extract, especially if luggage is still sitting on the bike. In contrast for items in the middle of the side loader type bags, you have to pull out items to get to the item you need. Liked the GL bag a lot, but ended up selling in favor of a roll top variation...
Good point
I am running the Tusk Pilot soft panniers with the Tusk pannier rack on my T7. Is it the best? No. You need the quick release additions to the bags to make them truly useful for quicker removal. But for the price I can buy two sets of these bags, with the quick release, and still be well under the price point of GL or Mosko Moto.
Went with Bumot soft panniers on my 1200GSA as they fit the factory rack.
A question - where to put a small tent? Inside drybag or into another bag? Inside is better IMO as you don't have to fiddle with mounting additional bags. BUT a tent can get dirty and wet. What then?
I run Wolfman soft luggage both a set of rackless and on other bike rack Wolfman. Why cause they are 1/3 the cost of all the others, so far work just as well
I have Mosko Panniers on my 1250GS, and some Tusk Highland X2's I had on my Tenere that now live on my 300L but they seem huge on it.
Dork I was just literally looking for a video like this! Need one that would be compatible on both a 23 Pan Am Special and 25 Ibex 450 when it comes to US!!!
You're probably going to need panniers with racks on both bikes just because the pan America is way wider than the ibex
@ ah awesome, i’m gonna reach out to mosko moto and ask if they got one that could possibly be compatible for both. Thanks!
I'm starting out with a hi-viz yellow dry duffle bag. I plan to mount it (stuffed with old pillows) for most rides, just for the extra visibility. Why are there so few hi-viz options from most manufacturers? I found quite a few on Amazon from lesser known manufacturers, but I question the quality.
I bought the reckless 80 about 8 years ago on a pre-production sale of some kind, it was about half what they charge now. I could never justify that cost nowadays if I ever have to replace it. It's held out really well though, I spent 6 weeks with it on the bike this year. Definitely a pain at hotels, it takes me like 20 minutes to cart all my crap inside, and even longer to remount the next day. Too awkward and heavy to carry the whole thing inside, too many pieces to bring inside with a single trip. But I only stay in hotels like 3 times a year.
I picked up a set of those "cheap" rhinowalk side bags I think they're 14L per side. But they're super floppy on the bike, so I haven't used them for anything yet. Waiting for an all pavement trip where I only need 28L of stuff? May never happen lol. I can only fit my base camping gear - no food, water, clothing, or tools. Any bigger size though, and I'm sure I'd fling the floppy bastards right off the bike, even on pavement. They'd be ok if you had some sort of structure underneath to strap them down.
What do you think of the kemimoto bags?
I've had a chance to review several Kemimoto bags and other products like the heated gloves and heated jacket, it's all pretty good and a good value.
I'm not a huge fan of the cheaper stuff just because in my experience it doesn't last long and you end up paying more in the long run to replace it.
@@DorkintheRoad I would suggest it depends on one's use case...if you're a low intensity user of these products, savings of 90% for something that you use 10% of the time may save a significant amount. I can buy a lot of part-time RhinoWalk bags for the cost of any of the suggested pieces. Will they last a lifetime? No. Will they do what I want once or twice a year? Yup. But to your point, buying someone else's used high end system might be the best bet at the end of the day. Time for a Point/Counterpoint series?
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos-they’ve been super helpful in answering a lot of my questions as a new rider. I recently got a Himalayan 450 and am currently exploring luggage options. I saw one of ADV Matt’s videos about his DIY rackless luggage system using the Rhinowalk base system. I really like the idea of a modular setup but am not 100% sure if it’s a smart investment. I’d love to hear your opinion!
P.S. I’m also curious about the GIVI Canyon Universal Saddle Base. What are your thoughts on it?
What? No love for Nelson Rigg duel sport saddle bags or the nr trails end bags?
I can only talk about the stuff I have, man. This was not a recommendations video I was just giving some examples that I had video of.
Dear Mr Dork
I do not recall any casual or formal comparison of the CRF450rl and the KTM 500 (family) from you. I am interested in your opinion and view. I have heard many opinions of the two, but you do provide a different angled view on many moto things than the rest of the pack. Whatya say good sir?
Please assume they will both be fitted with a GET ECU in this comparison.
I mean I built a 450L and talked about it a lot... I like it but it needs a lot of work to be functional for what I do. The 500 is great right out of the box especially at the prices they're going for right now.
You should give Nelson Rigg some love. Far more affordable than most of these options.
Hard to talk about stuff I haven't used.
@ that’s why I suggested giving it some love!
Nelson Rigg Gear economical, maybe compared with Moscow and giant loop?
Ben have you checked out 21 brothers luggage. Don't know if Mr Duck will put import tax on 😅
Love seeing all that well organized, secure, lightweight GL gear 👍
ty Dork
I have the mosko reckless 80. With the knoblin it's minutes on and off. Downside is organization need to keep track of where you put your shit or it's a pain. I love the setup tho.
Buddy, we live so close to each other... id be keen to meet up for a ride sometime. We just made a super chilly trip up to mt. Hebo..
“ unscheduled, dismount”…😂😂
Turkana: reasonably priced, tough and lots of options.
Can u give us the seat concepts discount code??
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@Dorkintheroad, what’s that little air mattress pump that you use? Do you recommend? I’m looking for one at the moment.
I've used a few over the years. Anything MotoCamp Nerd sells is good
@ checked it out, nothing on the site. Do you have an Amazon equivalent?
Good overview, but I'd have to disagree with the comment that rackless bags aren't "quick release". My Mosko Reckless 80 can go on and off the bike in no time at all. Release two straps, and pop the entire base plate off the Knoblin with the side holsters still attached. Piece of cake to put on and take off the bike, or switch from one bike to another. Awesome system.
Yes but compared to just popping off a soft pannier on a quick release mount, that's an eternity AND you have to run the straps back through and around the frame when you reinstall. No, it doesn't take long but it's not the 2 second removal that a soft pannier can be.
@@DorkintheRoad I have cleats mounted permanently where the passenger pegs used to be, so no dicking around with snaking straps around frame tubes etc...Granted, it's not 2 seconds, but if I'm so busy that I can't spare 2 minutes( if I take my time ) to attach/remove my bags, then something is seriously wrong with my life!
What about saddle bags?
Rackless saddlebags were literally a third of the video? If you mean the old school throw over kind they don't really work on dual sport and adventure bikes.
@@DorkintheRoad The kind cowboys used, black leather and brass buckles. I could be wrong but I never heard the phrase saddle bags during the video.
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