I agree with everything you said, except I don’t think they should have done anything different for the Z06. The price is already so high, it makes sense to bring the next level features to the next two performance tiers that will be in the C8 lineup. The ZR1 will be something incredible. Want to compete with an F8? The ZR1 has got you. You say you want more? Then it’s Zora vs SF90. I really do hope that Chevy brings the features to these next two cars that you’re talking about. Until then, I do think they nailed the current Z06. Great vid!
Koenigsegg proves you can do it all - lightweight, powerful, comfort, gas milage, performance, extra seats, and luggage space. The question isn't, can Corvette do it, but, should they. I for one say, yes - one "halo" car - price ignored.
Nobody can do this. If Koenigsegg reduce back seats, lenght of the car and the weight it comes with it, it would be faster. No real supercars on the Nordschleife are 4 seaters.
I agree with you completely. The new ZR1needs to be a no compromise car. I love that Mustang GTD, but still like to see some actual numbers.? Track, weight, power etc. The onething the ZR1 may have over the GTD is you won't need to fill out an application to buy and there will probably be. More built. Great vidoe as always!
Although I would pick the ZR1 over over the Mustang, But I will say this is going to be one rare GTD Mustang to get and it would be best to get it because it is not going to come back, Yes they're going to build new mustangs but the GTD Mustang is just a little bit more special This one was outsourced through Ford so put your money into the Mustang GTD, The ZR1 will be found at a later time..
Speed Phenom, you need to get into a Porsche GT3 RS and GM should have placed active aero on the Corvette since the C7 Z cars. The C8 needs a diet; imagine if it were 300 lbs. lighter with active aero. The ZO6 and ZR1 are not focus cars or track cars like the Porsche GT RS cars. Your summation was accurate and on point and I wish that you were heading the Corvette Z cars performance division.
Good analysis, Austin. Chevrolet has, to my knowledge, never made a "halo" car (meaning a car that they know up front they're going to lose money on the entire production run). Changing that mindset is going to be harder than actually making the car. For that matter, it's going to be interesting to see how many GTDs Ford actually sells. I'm having a hard time thinking someone with $300k would pass on a Porsche, McLaren, etc. to buy an uber-Mustang. Not saying they won't, I just can't wrap my head around it.
Those people with those cars already have those cars and are probably adding to their collection. The gtd isn’t priced for those of us that are complaining about the price. I thought the gt500 cftp was too much but it was impossible to get one.
People who generally complain about the price have no idea what actual engineering or economy and how business works. If you really think someone who's rich enough to own any of these cars will care about brand or name than you sure are shit out of luck.
OTD price point of the Z06 is far below its current competitors. High demand-ADM, makes us do apples to oranges comparisons. That's fine. Chevy encourages these comparisons. But I still keep pre ADM pricing in mind. Production costs and lighter materials are covered by MSRP than OTD. Good job Chevy.
You are exactly correct Big us auto Mfgs can not get it thru their heads about weight In all Fairness lets wait and see what the Ford GTD turns out to be
Speed Phenom Awesome Video I think it's awesome that you know so much about Cars and I think the All New S650 Mustang GTD and upcoming C8 ZR1 very well could atleast keep up with their foreign competition and I can't wait to see how well that'll work out
You are young and the NORMAL Corvette buyers want performance, comfort and practicality. Chevy has done an outstanding job across the board compared to Ford overall in this arena You cannot run a business based on the subjective feelings of a few non buying individuals. It's obvious, that in a perfect world your comments would hold water, but it is in the here and now that we are reflecting on. Be real and use a little more forethought in your projections. The ZR1 will be a beast irregardless of any added or lack of aero bits.
@@burgerbandit3646y’all always think Chevy is following ford, when really they move in the next direction that makes sense. It’s funny how nobody calls ford out for copying
it'll be interesting to see how heavy the gtd will be, the gt500 was pretty thick and other than some body panels there isn't anything significant that makes me think it will come in under 3500 pounds
Well this car doesn't have a rear trunk, doesn't have rear seats, doesn't have heavy parts or components, this car also has a better weight balance overall. I don't think it really needs to be under 3500 pounds considering it has 800+hp. The Mercedes Benz AMG GT Black series weighs around 3600 pounds with 720 hp, from my perspective if the Mustang is lighter with more hp it will be faster if everything else matches up, also the Mercedes Benz AMG GT Black Series is faster than the Porsche GT3 RS.
Well considering it has seat deletes, no trunk, 95% Carbon fiber besides the door panels. Its likely going to be about 3600lbs. In the same territory as the AMG Black Series which holds the Nürburgring production car lap record. Its got more horsepower as well, so it should easily put down a sub 7 minute lap time. I'm thinking it does 6:50, maybe less. The ZR1 should be capable of the same, considering most people believe the Z06 can do sub 7 seconds as well.
@@razatiger22the gtd could do better then a 6:50 in my eyes as long as it doesn’t weight a crap load. It will have more downforce and more racecar tech and more horsepower then the amg it should be faster then it
I agree, seems like Corvette is trying to be good at everything. They need to make the Corvette ZR1 more aggressive from a suspension and drag pack point.
Here's the deal, Austin... You're talking about what the ZR1 should do from the perspective of someone that actually tracks their cars. I'm willing to bet that 90% of Corvette owners DON'T track their car, and the same can be said about most owners with high performance cars. Chevrolet isn't all THAT concerned with making the Corvette the best it can be because they're worried about cost, and they're more concerned with how many they actually sell. You compared the Corvette to the Porsche 911, well nearly 35,000 Corvette variants sold in 2022. Then you have the Porsche 911 - there were only about 10,200 911 variants that sold for 2022. The bottom line is, Chevrolet is more concerned with sales and keeping their shareholders happy.
Great post, Austin should get a single seater or full on track car. Regardless GTD will be compromised in some areas. GM is building a GT3.R. for those who want a full on track car.
This fella needs to remember the cost of this GTD is going to be. 300,000! Really?? Whatever chevy does will be cheaper than that for sure. Also, I guarantee chevy will pull out all the stops for the ZR1 hust as they have in the past. Did ford make a mustang that would compete year for year any ZR1, that's a nope. Guess this guy dont realize this..I guarantee the zira edition or ZR1 will be the thing that will get the attention, world wide!!
Well I agree that the car does compromise a bit on performance if it tries to do everything, you cant argue with the out of control demand for these cars and it still performs better than tons of supercars....
GM needs to build a no bells and whistles corvette. All options need to be strictly for performance. This will dramatically decrease the weight, while increasing the car’s effectiveness on any track.
Never in the history of Corvette production have the body panels been made from metal. It's body is famously fiberglass. The current C8 body panels are made from a molded carbon fiber/fiber glass combination.
It’ll probably have the same performance as the Z06 but with 100 ish extra hp and 200lbs. As with every ZR1 ever except the C4. The GTD will most likely be better, but idk if it will be 70-100k dollars better.
Why would it not ? We don't really know the pricing anyway, and the ZR1 is not gonna be limited edition like the Mustang is, the value and engineering and amount of work put into the car is far beyond the ZR1 if the ZR1 is made to be compromised.
@@raionshishi8290 The last ZR1 had a lower production run than the Dodge Demon. It was pretty limited. Though on the other hand, it wasn’t quite limited or special enough to hold its value in the same way a GT2 RS or this car will.
Knowing who is putting this ride together and what competition they are targeting, I think 3000 lbs is the target. It really seems the GTD is a legend in the making. If given the opportunity, I will gladly add one to my garage.
@@jaycordeiro905 I can't see the GTD making it anywhere near 3000lbs in its current size. More realistically its going to be around 3400-3600 lbs which is no problem considering the AMG Black Series is in that weight range and can do similar times to the GT2 RS on the Nurburgring.
Motor trend is now saying the ZR1 will be 900 hp all wheel drive starting MSRP $150k. If this is true id go with the ZR1 if everything is legit anyway. With lets say $100k left over doe i can buy a lot of go fast parts sky is the limit. Idk like the GTD just way out if reach for most if us anyway. Also its front engine is going to be as good as mid engine hasn’t been in years past time will tell I guess.
Truly the mustang is the best American car that's ever been built Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it ford is the first American car to kick Ferraris ass on track that tells you what you need to know there full don't get the credit they deserve but I'm here to give all the credit and some more forward to the hard won't never stop
I agree, but I don't expect GM to do this for the ZR1. I anticipate the ZR1 is going to be the Z06 with addition of the hybrid electric drive system from the E-ray, and that is about it. That will put the ZR1 around 830 combined HP. Maybe GM will make a future model, e.g., Zora, more track focused. Maybe as a sendoff to the C8, kind of like the ZR1 was the sendoff for the C7.
In my option GM can make the ZR1 compromised for the price point that I am guessing is their target, upper 100s to low 200s. That way it slots above the Z06. However, I agree with everything that you said for a Zora model that would be the new halo spec at a price point of upper 200s to lower 300s. That way the keep the market segments they are already in while creating an entry for a new segment. If the Zora was around 3000-3100lbs, with a 1,000 horsepower high revving engine and all the area that you mentioned then it’d be amazing. However, I don’t see GM doing that. They don’t seem to be in the low volume high margin market. Ford was dart creating the GT and the GTD with a partner that is doing the majority of the production. Ford gets the halo car and all that that conveys and the world gets something to lust after. In my opinion Ford just has a better vision for the type of vehicle that we’re talking about. I’ll be surprised if GM enters the fray. Although it’d be cool to watch even if I’m never buying any of these…
GM aint stamping out 200,000 dollar cars anytime soon, and the ZORA will be a rare car. The Celestiq is some hand built celebrity car for 300k. None of these cars with Y chassis are compromised.
We don’t yet know the physical flaws of the GTD so I still. Believe the Zr1 will be superior considering that we know everything wrong with the zo6 to make the zr1 better
We don’t know the physical capability yet either, but a time in the same ballpark as the GT Black Series would put it vastly ahead of anything a Z06 with more power can do.
@@The-fs5wn But I still think the. Zr1 would be faster because of the mid engine placement advantage, idk about all that other stuff people heard about the zr1 but one thing I know for sure is that engine is in the rear as far as the other information it hasn’t been updated/ confirmed
@@colorrookie5539 Rear engine mount doesn't give it all the advantages, it gives it an advantage that is common for RWD vehicles, but the Mustang GTD is 50/50 split, which is arguably a bigger advantage overall when looking at the full picture in performance.
When you add all the heat extractors on cars for track racing , the weight goes up exponentially. Many heat extractors are built in radiators that require fluids to cool the engine and other components . Weight goes up !
The benefit that the mustang has over the corvette really is more seating capacity (utility value) but then again the corvette which has excellent performance potential aint 300.000 thousand dollars and limited production, its allmost apples to oranges allmost.🙂
American car companies have never followed the same formula as European car companies, especially in the performance department. Sales is the name of the game for US automakers. Corvette sells 3x the amount of cars that the 911 Porsche does even if it isn't as extreme of a race car as the Porsche.
Chevy has been trying hard to break the 7 min benchmark. Dodge almost did it. Ford is taken on the challenge. The comparison of Zr1 and GTD is valid since both cars are going for the nurb time. The difference between the the two is Ford is going all out with the mustang that they’ve been developing for some time. The ZR1 on the other hands is tricky like he said. I did see two variations of the ZR1 on the nurb but Chevy has confirm active aerodynamics unlike the mustang GTD which it has. I’ve heard that the GTD is extremely fast. Like faster then expectations then Ford anticipated.
I feel you about the frunk, but you have to look at the targeted audience that the corvette has in its arena. yes the gen X are getting into corvettes now. And yes GM has to take that in consideration when producing a mass-produced car. Now Ferrari, Lambos, etc cars are not built in mass production for the most part. so comfort is a looked at aspect of the person buying the corvette, It wont be many people that buy the car put it through the paces it was designed for. I have never ran my zo6 on the track and probably won't. But I want the fastness and the comfort of the car. I do get your point though.
I dont think its really a fair comparison. Simply because the GTD is so exclusive, there will only be a few made. And its stickering 500k..which will be a million dollars. I would kive to see a special edition Corvette setup the same, but do you want to oay that same price? For most..its a no.
I think you're absolutely right Austin if GM doesn't do what you said that GTD will definitely rollover the ZR1 bad if they don't do what you said the GTD might completely destroy it actually
In the zo6 I wouldn't imagine there would be carbon. Got to look at the trims, the z06 was always the cheap man's zr1. It was the zr1 that went all out.
Don’t agree u saying that say the ZR1 should have all this carbon fiber part’s would be great if they could keep price down. That being said if chevy could make a ZR1 for the majority of people that just want big HP with a comfortable car that could be used as a daily if needed or wanted. Because thats were chevy will sell more than a more track oriented car. But not saying a ZR1 R wouldn’t be cool with best of everything would be awesome. I don’t believe the ZR1 will be over $200,000 MSRP who knows after dealer greed. But who knows how much the new mustang be after dealer greed could be $400,000 after lol!! I do believe when ZR1 is released it will be more available than the GTD because thats what vets usually r available to the masses what makes chevy great in my eyes. Not saying the GTD isn’t awesome but it is way out of reach for the average consumer specially me hahaha. The ZR1 is also out of my reach but i like to dream big. Great video as always love ur content always what im looking for. Rumors r 850 hp on the ZR1 twin turbos the Zora suppose to Be over 1000hp but like u mentioned who knows until its released. I know u will keep us informed on what’s out there what u know ur racing experience’s always a pleasure. Thanks Austin
@@joshgessinger4509 No problems, it happens, but yea, directly from Ford, no dealership bs, of course you only simply pick a dealership to help deliver the car, so it's your personal choice to make it easier and better or faster I guess too ? Either way they can't touch the car, it's yours.
@@raionshishi8290 thats great so sick of the dealerships taking advantage of us all. These cars today cost way to much as it is. Idk why we cant buy all our cars trucks right from the Manufacturers. Just have service garages to service the vehicles sick of the greed its got out of control. Thanks for the information Appreciate it.
Quisiera que Corvette diera ese paso pero no quieren encarecer el producto y por tal causa nunca sabremos el rendimiento del Corvette con una carroseria ligera dónde podría competir de tu pa tu
U cannot compare a mustang with a corvette it's Ike u bring a hammer to a knife fight, the shape of the mustang to the shape of the corvette cutting the wind, the corvette is way sharper compare to the mustang, mustang compares with Camaro and there it stays
So just watched brink of speed he’s saying that the ZR1 will not be twin turbos but will have the eray front wheel drive system making it AWD 835 hp. This sounds like a better car being AWD less traction issues of course. The Zora will have twin turbos not the ZR1 says information is coming right from GM. Also says ZR1 will maybe have aero wing cant wait to see.
@@Wolf0fallstreets well if I had actually said that it isn’t a supercar I might take the time to answer you. Try reading it again in the context I wrote it. Trolls everywhere.
Nah, ZR1 will blow the doors off that Mustang at a bit more than half the price. Plus latest rumor is it will be a hybrid/all-wheel-drive. Plus then there ill still be the Zora to come at around 1,000HP. Game over.
As a loyal Ford man and a mustang owner my thoughts is GM has always been a day late and a dollar short. Here's why, let's take a trip down history lane, shall we. When Ford started with the svt program in the late 90s and early 2000s, high rpm overhead cam engines. GM stuck with the dinosaur pushrod 6500rpm antique. Instead of trying to compete they threw up their hands and said whatever it'll never last. When the first rear engine Ford GT came out did they try to compete? No the stepped back and let Ford lead the way. It wasn't until the last version of the Ford GT that they said maybe it's something to to this. Even then I was 5 or 6 years later after the GT shocked the world before you get a rear engine Corvette. GM hasn't been on the same level as Ford since the 60s. If everything goes true to form it'll be 4 or 5 years or longer before GM comes out with a exclusive track focused car if they come out with one at all. By then Ford will be so far ahead there's no catching up. They discontinued the Camaro leaving the mustang all alone in the market. (along with Dodge) They just don't have it in them to compete never had it never will. Like they ever stood a chance in the first place.
GM didn't stick because they were archaic. LS/LT engines can produce more reliable horsepower in very compact package. These engines have won more races in races from Nascar to Le Mans. They are the go to engine for engine transplants. The ZO6 engine revs higher and produces more horsepower than any Coyote engine. The fancy Mustang is still a rear drive car with a heavy engine. It will never handle as well as mid-engine car. By the way, I've Fords as well as GM cars. My Fords sooner or later leak oil. GM engines never.
In my opinion, the new ZR1 won't even be in competition with the GT3RS or GTD. Chevy knows it's customers (primarily middle aged men who either want to feel sporty or middle aged men trying to relive their younger days). That is who will buy the majority of ZR1's. Ford will sell a few GTD's but only as possible investments or by die-hard Mustang fans. The GT3RS/GT2RS is in a class all to itself and will continue to be the car the others aspire to be.
Nope. Y chassis cars have destroyed pretty much everything in their respective categories by actual professionals that drive vehicles for a living. Pobst was off 0.6 tenths of a second of the GT3RS with the Z06 in below freezing temperatures WITHOUT a track alignment. Ultralight weight street cars that are more or less made just for track DONT HAVE BALANCE as actual road cars. For it to compete is a ridiculous statement with the track time evidence everywhere on the internet. Its more or less guaranteed the ERAY and ZR1 will be better than the competitions cars whether your a fan boy or not at this point. I still dont get why you couldnt have even tested a ZL11LE which is now legendary as a track car. Most expensive isnt the best anymore in this world we live in. GM is about to upstage ROLLS ROYCE AND MERCEDES with their Celestiq. Betting against GM is silly with the products they are making.
C8 ZR1 will cost considerably less than the gtd and will have much less refinements. General motors never goes all the way as far as purpose building. They always seem to build a car that can do it all but is a master of nothing. The lower priced bargain so called supercar. It will not compete just like the C8 Z06 got smoked by the Ford Gt .
I don’t think you know the difference between production vs hand built limited run. FYI a GT3rs is actually on the porche production line.. A GTD is a limited hand built in a different country (Canada). Now we know the ZR1 will be over 1000hp/800fpt. I bet you will be begging for one instead of your GTD. Hope GM reads this and hears your comments.
I agree with everything you said, except I don’t think they should have done anything different for the Z06. The price is already so high, it makes sense to bring the next level features to the next two performance tiers that will be in the C8 lineup. The ZR1 will be something incredible. Want to compete with an F8? The ZR1 has got you. You say you want more? Then it’s Zora vs SF90. I really do hope that Chevy brings the features to these next two cars that you’re talking about. Until then, I do think they nailed the current Z06. Great vid!
Comparing the GTD to REAL production street car makes no sense. 1000 limited run & they choose who gets one? Come on!
I agree, there is no comparison between the GTD and Z06! What good is a car if only 1000 people can own one.
👍👍 Exactly! Put the GTD up against the GT3.R Corvette on the track. The GTD will only be at car shows or some collectors garage, not on the street.
For sure
He’s comparing pears to apple. Z06 and ZR1 are production cars. Sure, you can get the best car for a million dollars.
@@TheWityfulThe GT3 RS is a production car.
Koenigsegg proves you can do it all - lightweight, powerful, comfort, gas milage, performance, extra seats, and luggage space. The question isn't, can Corvette do it, but, should they. I for one say, yes - one "halo" car - price ignored.
How can you ignore price?
@@kareemhailey9585Cus if you want something great, then it's gonna cost.
Nobody can do this.
If Koenigsegg reduce back seats, lenght of the car and the weight it comes with it, it would be faster.
No real supercars on the Nordschleife are 4 seaters.
@@bernhard.k 2300HP is quite more than enough. It totes back seats and cargo space as well. Win, win.
@@RMS027 maybe on the straight line, but not on the track.
I have been a Chevy man. since I was a very young man. I always have loved Chevy cars. I have owned quite a few of Chevy cars.
I always felt the Mustang/ Corvette an uneven rivalry. Now Mustang/ Camaro or Corvette/ GT makes more sense.
Agree
I agree with you completely. The new ZR1needs to be a no compromise car. I love that Mustang GTD, but still like to see some actual numbers.? Track, weight, power etc. The onething the ZR1 may have over the GTD is you won't need to fill out an application to buy and there will probably be. More built. Great vidoe as always!
The GTD mustang is basically a racecar. The ZR1 is a street car. Maybe it's better to compare the GT3.R Corvette to the GTD in the track.
The z06 1lz in a base 07 package is also only 129k. Several hundreds of thousands of dollars cheaper
Apples to Watermelons
@@philfeist2127
You killed it with that statement 👏
@@kme5925 for real this GTD is off of Planet Mars sic!
Go and find one for 129k, I'll wait!😂
I built an 07 package online for 129. I buy msrp or less only
Although I would pick the ZR1 over over the Mustang, But I will say this is going to be one rare GTD Mustang to get and it would be best to get it because it is not going to come back, Yes they're going to build new mustangs but the GTD Mustang is just a little bit more special This one was outsourced through Ford so put your money into the Mustang GTD, The ZR1 will be found at a later time..
Only 1000 GTD's to be made, and ford will hand pick who gets one.
@@Cryptoinvestor-pv4fy I think Ford will build more 1,300
Speed Phenom, you need to get into a Porsche GT3 RS and GM should have placed active aero on the Corvette since the C7 Z cars. The C8 needs a diet; imagine if it were 300 lbs. lighter with active aero. The ZO6 and ZR1 are not focus cars or track cars like the Porsche GT RS cars. Your summation was accurate and on point and I wish that you were heading the Corvette Z cars performance division.
Need to know the weight on the GTD.
Looks like they Ford/Multimatic went all in on this project.
Insane cars !! ❤❤
Good analysis, Austin. Chevrolet has, to my knowledge, never made a "halo" car (meaning a car that they know up front they're going to lose money on the entire production run). Changing that mindset is going to be harder than actually making the car. For that matter, it's going to be interesting to see how many GTDs Ford actually sells. I'm having a hard time thinking someone with $300k would pass on a Porsche, McLaren, etc. to buy an uber-Mustang. Not saying they won't, I just can't wrap my head around it.
Would you change your mind if the GTD ends up being 10 seconds quicker than a GT3RS around the ring?
Those people with those cars already have those cars and are probably adding to their collection. The gtd isn’t priced for those of us that are complaining about the price. I thought the gt500 cftp was too much but it was impossible to get one.
People who generally complain about the price have no idea what actual engineering or economy and how business works. If you really think someone who's rich enough to own any of these cars will care about brand or name than you sure are shit out of luck.
OTD price point of the Z06 is far below its current competitors. High demand-ADM, makes us do apples to oranges comparisons. That's fine. Chevy encourages these comparisons. But I still keep pre ADM pricing in mind. Production costs and lighter materials are covered by MSRP than OTD. Good job Chevy.
You are exactly correct Big us auto Mfgs can not get it thru their heads about weight In all Fairness lets wait and see what the Ford GTD turns out to be
Speed Phenom Awesome Video I think it's awesome that you know so much about Cars and I think the All New S650 Mustang GTD and upcoming C8 ZR1 very well could atleast keep up with their foreign competition and I can't wait to see how well that'll work out
You are young and the NORMAL Corvette buyers want performance, comfort and practicality. Chevy has done an outstanding job across the board compared to Ford overall in this arena You cannot run a business based on the subjective feelings of a few non buying individuals. It's obvious, that in a perfect world your comments would hold water, but it is in the here and now that we are reflecting on. Be real and use a little more forethought in your projections. The ZR1 will be a beast irregardless of any added or lack of aero bits.
Reason is to be only person to get entire line of C8’s; that will make history Dude!
I think you need to get yourself a GT3 RS
Wow you bave a major point.... Hope Corvette development is listening right now !!!
Straight difference between the two: The ZR1 is a streetcar trying to be a racecar while the GTD is a racecar trying to be a streetcar.
That was great! Very informative! Thanks! Let's GOOOOO FORD!
great vid one of your best imo that doesnt have you driving on the track.
Zr1 needs to have carbon body and maybe even a carbon chassis people would pay 300,000 for a carbon body twin turbo ZR1
How dope would it be to just do exactly what the GTD did with the C8?? Just put the GT3 bits on it and go for track records!
@almsdrew Chevy does take inspiration from Ford every once in a while. Definitely sounds like something they'd be considering after this dropped.
@@burgerbandit3646y’all always think Chevy is following ford, when really they move in the next direction that makes sense. It’s funny how nobody calls ford out for copying
@mogulme6190 Inspiration and copying is two completely different things.
To hell wiith a mustang GTD
it'll be interesting to see how heavy the gtd will be, the gt500 was pretty thick and other than some body panels there isn't anything significant that makes me think it will come in under 3500 pounds
Well this car doesn't have a rear trunk, doesn't have rear seats, doesn't have heavy parts or components, this car also has a better weight balance overall. I don't think it really needs to be under 3500 pounds considering it has 800+hp. The Mercedes Benz AMG GT Black series weighs around 3600 pounds with 720 hp, from my perspective if the Mustang is lighter with more hp it will be faster if everything else matches up, also the Mercedes Benz AMG GT Black Series is faster than the Porsche GT3 RS.
Well considering it has seat deletes, no trunk, 95% Carbon fiber besides the door panels. Its likely going to be about 3600lbs. In the same territory as the AMG Black Series which holds the Nürburgring production car lap record.
Its got more horsepower as well, so it should easily put down a sub 7 minute lap time. I'm thinking it does 6:50, maybe less. The ZR1 should be capable of the same, considering most people believe the Z06 can do sub 7 seconds as well.
@@razatiger22the gtd could do better then a 6:50 in my eyes as long as it doesn’t weight a crap load. It will have more downforce and more racecar tech and more horsepower then the amg it should be faster then it
What do you think of dealer markups with the Z06? Been seeing some of them for upwards of 250 thousand dollars.
I agree, seems like Corvette is trying to be good at everything. They need to make the Corvette ZR1 more aggressive from a suspension and drag pack point.
Well said as usual...
Here's the deal, Austin...
You're talking about what the ZR1 should do from the perspective of someone that actually tracks their cars. I'm willing to bet that 90% of Corvette owners DON'T track their car, and the same can be said about most owners with high performance cars.
Chevrolet isn't all THAT concerned with making the Corvette the best it can be because they're worried about cost, and they're more concerned with how many they actually sell. You compared the Corvette to the Porsche 911, well nearly 35,000 Corvette variants sold in 2022. Then you have the Porsche 911 - there were only about 10,200 911 variants that sold for 2022.
The bottom line is, Chevrolet is more concerned with sales and keeping their shareholders happy.
Great post, Austin should get a single seater or full on track car. Regardless GTD will be compromised in some areas. GM is building a GT3.R. for those who want a full on track car.
This fella needs to remember the cost of this GTD is going to be. 300,000! Really?? Whatever chevy does will be cheaper than that for sure. Also, I guarantee chevy will pull out all the stops for the ZR1 hust as they have in the past. Did ford make a mustang that would compete year for year any ZR1, that's a nope. Guess this guy dont realize this..I guarantee the zira edition or ZR1 will be the thing that will get the attention, world wide!!
Well I agree that the car does compromise a bit on performance if it tries to do everything, you cant argue with the out of control demand for these cars and it still performs better than tons of supercars....
The question should be can the gtd compete with the bew zr1
Noooooo😂😂
Well at this point maybe, especially when we don’t know the weight of the mustang it should be interesting to see how the two compare
GM needs to build a no bells and whistles corvette. All options need to be strictly for performance. This will dramatically decrease the weight, while increasing the car’s effectiveness on any track.
It's not going to happen. That's not the GM way
@@Lanse1984 I mean, I think thats what the Zora is planned to be. a 1000hp Corvette on a limited production run that is 100% race car.
Never in the history of Corvette production have the body panels been made from metal. It's body is famously fiberglass. The current C8 body panels are made from a molded carbon fiber/fiber glass combination.
The Corvette is all composite body panels not aluminum body panels.
where's your friend Joseph Gatt haven't seen him in a long time in your videos you guys still friends???
It’ll probably have the same performance as the Z06 but with 100 ish extra hp and 200lbs. As with every ZR1 ever except the C4. The GTD will most likely be better, but idk if it will be 70-100k dollars better.
Why would it not ? We don't really know the pricing anyway, and the ZR1 is not gonna be limited edition like the Mustang is, the value and engineering and amount of work put into the car is far beyond the ZR1 if the ZR1 is made to be compromised.
@@raionshishi8290 The last ZR1 had a lower production run than the Dodge Demon. It was pretty limited. Though on the other hand, it wasn’t quite limited or special enough to hold its value in the same way a GT2 RS or this car will.
The GTD will also have aluminum doors. It sounds like it will be below 3,000 pounds.
Knowing who is putting this ride together and what competition they are targeting, I think 3000 lbs is the target. It really seems the GTD is a legend in the making. If given the opportunity, I will gladly add one to my garage.
@@jaycordeiro905 I can't see the GTD making it anywhere near 3000lbs in its current size. More realistically its going to be around 3400-3600 lbs which is no problem considering the AMG Black Series is in that weight range and can do similar times to the GT2 RS on the Nurburgring.
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Motor trend is now saying the ZR1 will be 900 hp all wheel drive starting MSRP $150k. If this is true id go with the ZR1 if everything is legit anyway.
With lets say $100k left over doe i can buy a lot of go fast parts sky is the limit. Idk like the GTD just way out if reach for most if us anyway. Also its front engine is going to be as good as mid engine hasn’t been in years past time will tell I guess.
Truly the mustang is the best American car that's ever been built Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it ford is the first American car to kick Ferraris ass on track that tells you what you need to know there full don't get the credit they deserve but I'm here to give all the credit and some more forward to the hard won't never stop
Zr1 I fell will just need awd and alittle lighter then the zo6 is now with more power will contend with the best of them
So now that the new corvette came out with not 850 but 1064HP and the specs are out what the update
Comparing apples to oranges, GTD is a track focused car with a very limited production, can’t even compare the two.
Well Said Brother!
I agree, but I don't expect GM to do this for the ZR1. I anticipate the ZR1 is going to be the Z06 with addition of the hybrid electric drive system from the E-ray, and that is about it. That will put the ZR1 around 830 combined HP.
Maybe GM will make a future model, e.g., Zora, more track focused. Maybe as a sendoff to the C8, kind of like the ZR1 was the sendoff for the C7.
There has been leaks for a while of the turbo manifolds of the zr1
In my option GM can make the ZR1 compromised for the price point that I am guessing is their target, upper 100s to low 200s. That way it slots above the Z06. However, I agree with everything that you said for a Zora model that would be the new halo spec at a price point of upper 200s to lower 300s. That way the keep the market segments they are already in while creating an entry for a new segment. If the Zora was around 3000-3100lbs, with a 1,000 horsepower high revving engine and all the area that you mentioned then it’d be amazing. However, I don’t see GM doing that. They don’t seem to be in the low volume high margin market. Ford was dart creating the GT and the GTD with a partner that is doing the majority of the production. Ford gets the halo car and all that that conveys and the world gets something to lust after. In my opinion Ford just has a better vision for the type of vehicle that we’re talking about. I’ll be surprised if GM enters the fray. Although it’d be cool to watch even if I’m never buying any of these…
GM aint stamping out 200,000 dollar cars anytime soon, and the ZORA will be a rare car. The Celestiq is some hand built celebrity car for 300k. None of these cars with Y chassis are compromised.
We don’t yet know the physical flaws of the GTD so I still. Believe the Zr1 will be superior considering that we know everything wrong with the zo6 to make the zr1 better
We don’t know the physical capability yet either, but a time in the same ballpark as the GT Black Series would put it vastly ahead of anything a Z06 with more power can do.
@@The-fs5wn But I still think the. Zr1 would be faster because of the mid engine placement advantage, idk about all that other stuff people heard about the zr1 but one thing I know for sure is that engine is in the rear as far as the other information it hasn’t been updated/ confirmed
@@colorrookie5539 Rear engine mount doesn't give it all the advantages, it gives it an advantage that is common for RWD vehicles, but the Mustang GTD is 50/50 split, which is arguably a bigger advantage overall when looking at the full picture in performance.
Austin you rock! Peace
I love how Ford balance the weight in the GTD if only they could use this method in the rest of the Mustangs
Yes. Why is the vette sooo damn heavy?
When you add all the heat extractors on cars for track racing , the weight goes up exponentially. Many heat extractors are built in radiators that require fluids to cool the engine and other components . Weight goes up !
The benefit that the mustang has over the corvette really is more seating capacity (utility value) but then again the corvette which has excellent performance potential aint 300.000 thousand dollars and limited production, its allmost apples to oranges allmost.🙂
The 2024 ZR1 will have twin turbos instead of a supercharger. It's well worth to wait.
the problem with auto makers is that they are cutting corners. it could be way better. if they stop cutting corners.
American car companies have never followed the same formula as European car companies, especially in the performance department.
Sales is the name of the game for US automakers. Corvette sells 3x the amount of cars that the 911 Porsche does even if it isn't as extreme of a race car as the Porsche.
Chevy has been trying hard to break the 7 min benchmark. Dodge almost did it. Ford is taken on the challenge. The comparison of Zr1 and GTD is valid since both cars are going for the nurb time. The difference between the the two is Ford is going all out with the mustang that they’ve been developing for some time. The ZR1 on the other hands is tricky like he said. I did see two variations of the ZR1 on the nurb but Chevy has confirm active aerodynamics unlike the mustang GTD which it has. I’ve heard that the GTD is extremely fast. Like faster then expectations then Ford anticipated.
Im gonna guess 750 hp for the Zr1
800-840 id say
ZR1 every time.
I feel you about the frunk, but you have to look at the targeted audience that the corvette has in its arena. yes the gen X are getting into corvettes now. And yes GM has to take that in consideration when producing a mass-produced car. Now Ferrari, Lambos, etc cars are not built in mass production for the most part. so comfort is a looked at aspect of the person buying the corvette, It wont be many people that buy the car put it through the paces it was designed for. I have never ran my zo6 on the track and probably won't. But I want the fastness and the comfort of the car. I do get your point though.
I think the GTD will make GM greenlight a ZR1 1LE.
lol. This aged well. Half the price, significantly more horsepower.
When you do lower the weight of the c8 zo6 and zr1 it will end up costing 300,000$
It costs 20k per 100lb for weight loss. Not worth blowing people out of the market on a street car.
a light American Super Sports Car ? 😂, I mean it´s possible but have you any idea how expensive the Car goes ?
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The front fenders of the Z06 are carbon fiber. There are NO aluminum body panels on any Corvette. Look it up - fender liners as well
I dont think its really a fair comparison. Simply because the GTD is so exclusive, there will only be a few made. And its stickering 500k..which will be a million dollars. I would kive to see a special edition Corvette setup the same, but do you want to oay that same price? For most..its a no.
I just don’t like the exhaust on the GTD
I think you're absolutely right Austin if GM doesn't do what you said that GTD will definitely rollover the ZR1 bad if they don't do what you said the GTD might completely destroy it actually
In the zo6 I wouldn't imagine there would be carbon. Got to look at the trims, the z06 was always the cheap man's zr1. It was the zr1 that went all out.
Don’t agree u saying that say the ZR1 should have all this carbon fiber part’s would be great if they could keep price down. That being said if chevy could make a ZR1 for the majority of people that just want big HP with a comfortable car that could be used as a daily if needed or wanted. Because thats were chevy will sell more than a more track oriented car. But not saying a ZR1 R wouldn’t be cool with best of everything would be awesome. I don’t believe the ZR1 will be over $200,000 MSRP who knows after dealer greed. But who knows how much the new mustang be after dealer greed could be $400,000 after lol!! I do believe when ZR1 is released it will be more available than the GTD because thats what vets usually r available to the masses what makes chevy great in my eyes. Not saying the GTD isn’t awesome but it is way out of reach for the average consumer specially me hahaha. The ZR1 is also out of my reach but i like to dream big.
Great video as always love ur content always what im looking for. Rumors r 850 hp on the ZR1 twin turbos the Zora suppose to
Be over 1000hp but like u mentioned who knows until its released. I know u will keep us informed on what’s out there what u know ur racing experience’s always a pleasure.
Thanks Austin
Um, the GTD won't have dealer mark ups, anyone who has been keeping up with information would know this.
@@raionshishi8290 Well good to hear i keep up pretty good just missed that somehow.
@@raionshishi8290 so GTD will come right from ford u wont go threw a dealer.
@@joshgessinger4509 No problems, it happens, but yea, directly from Ford, no dealership bs, of course you only simply pick a dealership to help deliver the car, so it's your personal choice to make it easier and better or faster I guess too ? Either way they can't touch the car, it's yours.
@@raionshishi8290 thats great so sick of the dealerships taking advantage of us all. These cars today cost way to much as it is. Idk why we cant buy all our cars trucks right from the Manufacturers. Just have service garages to service the vehicles sick of the greed its got out of control.
Thanks for the information
Appreciate it.
AGREE ZR1 Needs to go on diet , I think, FIRST Chevrolet needs to Solve the Z06 Ticking ENGINE problem, , a $300K Mustang is ccccrazy imo
Quisiera que Corvette diera ese paso pero no quieren encarecer el producto y por tal causa nunca sabremos el rendimiento del Corvette con una carroseria ligera dónde podría competir de tu pa tu
i thought that the Corvette is made out of Fiberglass
Zr1 just took a huge 💩 on the gtd
Why? GTD is a purpose built street legal race car u rookie lol
Let me guess the ZO6 is for sale! ZR1 all the way! GTD can go only so far with a 400k price tag! Ouch!
U cannot compare a mustang with a corvette it's Ike u bring a hammer to a knife fight, the shape of the mustang to the shape of the corvette cutting the wind, the corvette is way sharper compare to the mustang, mustang compares with Camaro and there it stays
So just watched brink of speed he’s saying that the ZR1 will not be twin turbos but will have the eray front wheel drive system making it AWD 835 hp. This sounds like a better car being AWD less traction issues of course. The Zora will have twin turbos not the ZR1 says information is coming right from GM. Also says ZR1 will maybe have aero wing cant wait to see.
This is all you need to know. First…I own a Mustang GT. But $300K for a Mustang. I think not.
This is nothing like your 5.0
@@richardmodglin3900 oh for sure. But at that price your into Italian super car territory.
Lol. Aside from brand snobbery what keeps the GTD from being a super car?
@@Wolf0fallstreets well if I had actually said that it isn’t a supercar I might take the time to answer you. Try reading it again in the context I wrote it. Trolls everywhere.
@@Wolf0fallstreets it being a mustang lmao
Glazing ford over a non production vehicle
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That Zr1 ain’t got 💩 on that GTD!! Chevy loses AGAIN 🫵🤣👏🏽
Guess again 😂 1064 hp and most likely alot cheaper than the GTD
Too soon junior! 😂
@@al151 Look at my comment. It’s 1 month old. They just came out with the ZR1 news last night. You couldn’t wait to come back to this comment 😂😂
@@al151 Chevy got tired of being last
@@joshup Congratulations, Chevy is finally keeping up at a cheaper price. Camaro is still 🚮 but it’s cool. Chevy finally doing something 👏🏽
Nah, ZR1 will blow the doors off that Mustang at a bit more than half the price. Plus latest rumor is it will be a hybrid/all-wheel-drive. Plus then there ill still be the Zora to come at around 1,000HP. Game over.
Nice crystal ball.
The last zr1 got smoked by the gt500 so I don’t see that happening
Sure it did. Your source? Never happened
@@marcog6470 I guess you are not aware the last ZR1 was front-engined/rear wheel drive...
@@KRGruner gt500 smoked it, and it’s 50k cheaper lol
As a loyal Ford man and a mustang owner my thoughts is GM has always been a day late and a dollar short. Here's why, let's take a trip down history lane, shall we.
When Ford started with the svt program in the late 90s and early 2000s, high rpm overhead cam engines. GM stuck with the dinosaur pushrod 6500rpm antique.
Instead of trying to compete they threw up their hands and said whatever it'll never last. When the first rear engine Ford GT came out did they try to compete? No the stepped back and let Ford lead the way.
It wasn't until the last version of the Ford GT that they said maybe it's something to to this. Even then I was 5 or 6 years later after the GT shocked the world before you get a rear engine Corvette. GM hasn't been on the same level as Ford since the 60s.
If everything goes true to form it'll be 4 or 5 years or longer before GM comes out with a exclusive track focused car if they come out with one at all. By then Ford will be so far ahead there's no catching up.
They discontinued the Camaro leaving the mustang all alone in the market. (along with Dodge) They just don't have it in them to compete never had it never will. Like they ever stood a chance in the first place.
GM didn't stick because they were archaic. LS/LT engines can produce more reliable horsepower in very compact package. These engines have won more races in races from Nascar to Le Mans. They are the go to engine for engine transplants. The ZO6 engine revs higher and produces more horsepower than any Coyote engine. The fancy Mustang is still a rear drive car with a heavy engine. It will never handle as well as mid-engine car.
By the way, I've Fords as well as GM cars. My Fords sooner or later leak oil. GM engines never.
In my opinion, the new ZR1 won't even be in competition with the GT3RS or GTD. Chevy knows it's customers (primarily middle aged men who either want to feel sporty or middle aged men trying to relive their younger days). That is who will buy the majority of ZR1's. Ford will sell a few GTD's but only as possible investments or by die-hard Mustang fans. The GT3RS/GT2RS is in a class all to itself and will continue to be the car the others aspire to be.
Nope. Y chassis cars have destroyed pretty much everything in their respective categories by actual professionals that drive vehicles for a living. Pobst was off 0.6 tenths of a second of the GT3RS with the Z06 in below freezing temperatures WITHOUT a track alignment. Ultralight weight street cars that are more or less made just for track DONT HAVE BALANCE as actual road cars. For it to compete is a ridiculous statement with the track time evidence everywhere on the internet. Its more or less guaranteed the ERAY and ZR1 will be better than the competitions cars whether your a fan boy or not at this point. I still dont get why you couldnt have even tested a ZL11LE which is now legendary as a track car. Most expensive isnt the best anymore in this world we live in. GM is about to upstage ROLLS ROYCE AND MERCEDES with their Celestiq. Betting against GM is silly with the products they are making.
Bro the gt500 cftp smokes all those chevys tho.. the GTD def will as well 😂
No mustang is a super car
So the z06 was a waste
C8 ZR1 will cost considerably less than the gtd and will have much less refinements. General motors never goes all the way as far as purpose building. They always seem to build a car that can do it all but is a master of nothing. The lower priced bargain so called supercar. It will not compete just like the C8 Z06 got smoked by the Ford Gt .
Great ford engineering is to just make everything out of carbon fiber.
This is not even comparable
I don’t think you know the difference between production vs hand built limited run. FYI a GT3rs is actually on the porche production line.. A GTD is a limited hand built in a different country (Canada). Now we know the ZR1 will be over 1000hp/800fpt. I bet you will be begging for one instead of your GTD. Hope GM reads this and hears your comments.