Good Video, Just a few things, Maybe people should be More " Realistic " when it comes to buying a GFX card .... 1) Are the list of your games being played Going to Use Ray tracing, And Are you brainwashed into THINKING you need RayTracing? 2) Are you a Video Editor/Streamer and similar that needs the Type of Power that the RTX 4090 can offer? 3) Are You trying to become a Professional gamer 4) Do you Have a 4K High Refresh rate Monitor 5) Are you just a person that likes the " Bragging " rights for owning a 4090? Lastly, If you played games for years on PC before anyone of these New ?? cards came out and Had fun, then why the need to spend Hundreds more. Don't believe the Hype/advertising Bullshit, when you peel away the Veneer, it's that Same damn product with a new badge That's it...... I am willing to Bet that if a Sony rep knocked on your door and Gave you a Decked Out PS5 and 1 yr Game Sub, You would be playing those Games religiously, and how much would that cost, for me approx $800 Far less then the cost of a 4090
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Hey Daniel, to be honest - why should we care about MSRP, if there's no way to get a GPU for this price, because nVidia controls and shifts the market the way they want, to shift what everyone has to pay for their products. 😅🤷♂ Here in Germany you pay 25-40% above MSRP ... what a pity. Do you make a serious video just to give us good content or is it about nonsens, to get some profit from your partnership with JAWA?^^ Naahhh ... I guess the lines between are thin, very thin. I would stay realistic ... I mean nVidia RTX 4090 listed for 1.749€ ... but on the market for 2.249€ is 28,59% above MSRP... I would never ever compare MSRP. This is not a NEW effect which made it's way into the market with the release of the 4000-Series, this had also existed while 3000-Series was released. The moment I bought my RTX 3090 Ti, it was "only" 8% above the official MSRP, but at this price it was never seen again, so the prices came not even closer onto MSRP as this. - This situation doesn't became better with the 4000-Series... of cause not. But "sight" 😔 it's maybe easy to make it as simple as possible by comparing MSRPs, if you didn't had to pay for every GPU you got, because you got luck to get samples for free. It's then more easy right. And by the way: To rump, bluster or even to raor is better for kids, to do it outside of the house. That's what my parents teached me in my childhood and it makes sense, so I'm teaching it as well.
Like a pawn shop, they have to in order to turn around and re-sell it. You'll always get a lot less than you would selling it to the end user directly (ex. thru eBay). Just as I'd never sell anything to a pawn shop, I'd never sell my GPU to Jawa, but other people may prefer to not worry about listing theirs, being accountable to the buyer or potentially dealing with non-paying buyers.
@@Osprey850 True...they do need to make their money back, but I don't think the convenience and safety is worth the amount they give you thats just me though.
Tbf, that kinda did make sense in theory. The 3080 performed super similar and made it irrelevent, there was like a 20 percent gap between the 3080 and the 3090 Ti, with the 3080 Ti being 5 percent off the 3090 and 3090 Ti being 5 percent faster than a 3090 i think. The only reason to buy it was productivity due to extra cores and 24gb of vram vs 10 and 12gb. That and mining. The 3090 will go down as one of the best crypto investments of all time. Basically paid for itself and was a money printer for almost 2 years. Is it fucked up that was a thing? Absolutely, but thats what happened. It really wasnt a card people actually bought for gaming at the end of the day lol. The 4090 on the other hand is the first true 4K gaming card, as in the first and only GPU to exist that actually is an optimal 4K card instead of some glorified 1440p high refresh rate card that needs to play at a mix of medium/high settings in a lot of games and look worse than 1440p high or ultra. Yeah the 3090 was a trash card for gamers, but for productivity and mining it definitely had its purpose
@@Angel7blackthe 3090, 3090 Ti, 4080, 4080 Super are all 4K cards though. The 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti Super are a weird bunch: all of them perform similar or better than a 3090, but only in 1080p. At 1440p they get stunted and at 4K they fall off, due to the 192 bit bus and 3 of them because of the "just" 12GB of memory. More lik3 the 4090 is the first actually RTX card, even though it's just barely
@@CrusterfunkShenanigans based on the way that modern games are getting we'll be lucky if the 3090 or 6950xt from last gen will make it to 6000 nvidia or 9000 amd
@@elysian3623 very valid point, but I am lucky enough to have a backlog on my steamlibrary that I need two or more lifetimes for to complete them all.🍀
4090 is one of those GPUs Nvidia launches right after AMD looks to have a come back. For example Fury X was very close to 980 Ti, so they released 1080 Ti for good price. 6900 XT was close to 3090. It also just happens that AMD cant seem to execute more than 1 generation. Both Vega and RDNA3 underdelivered.
RDNA1 was also ass, but people made every excuse for how broken that architecture was with all the bugs. So far the only tome it feels like AMD can actually put out solid GPUs is when Sony hold’s their hand. By that I mean Polaris and RDNA2 which were GPUs used for the PS4(pro specifically i think) and PS5. Sony and Microsoft would not have accepted half cooked GPUs for their consoles
So true, 4090 just there to troll Radeon. I imagine one of those slap fights where the tough guys quickly learns to stay in his. TBH though, AMD don’t want to beat Nvidia, they just wanna get close enough so they can charge nvidia like prices and continue to push up prices. Win win for both companies. Remember, amd releases after nvidia as a pricing tactic. If they wanted to compete on performance they go hard and release on the same day and throw down but they don’t.
@@moldetaco2281 1080ti so isn't double the performance in resterision then 980ti but you still call it legendary. 4090 is very close to double in restoration any ways, and with RT can even give you more then double like in Alan wake 2. Also in my opinion 4090 is much more impressive than 1080ti and is bigger leap than 1080ti was.
The only reason RDNA2 wasn't also bad in comparison to Ampere is because AMD had a big node advantage with TSMC 7nm vs Samsung 8nm. If Ampere were also on TSMC then Nvidia would have destroyed AMD like they did with Ada vs RDNA3.
4090 could’ve been the GOAT if they didn’t price it so crazy Edit: I didn’t think this would blow up, so let me clarify to the people calling me broke that I OWN a 4090 🤣
@@mistarbeanz don’t need to watch a gamers nexus video to come to that conclusion lol. Performance is there but the fps per dollar isn’t. Don’t need a RUclipsr to tell you that
hot take. 1600$ isn’t too much especially if we woulda gotten a 1200 4080ti, 4090 is just fine at the retail msrp. those cards are supposed to be for the few that can afford it. i do have a problem with 1000-1200$ 4080/4080 supers though
@@stevieC11Hanworth Thats the new policy. At the time of buying EVGA hadnt updated its policy yet. EVGA had transferrable warranty on its cards. I placed it in my name after buying it. As long as you have proof that you bought it from the original owner you get the warranty which i have. I even called to make sure. I dont need it anyway.
@@Noa15Lvlol. In my defence it is the top of the range 3090 Rog strix white OC brand new from Ebuyer. 3 series is the goat of Nvidia happy gaming in sunny baltic. Edit confused baltic to balkans not so sunny in baltic regions
Rtx 4090 was the best purchase Ive ever made for 4k gaming. It simply shreds everything while being SILENT. My battle with noise was finally over. And no. Fck headphones.
Exacty! Had a 3080ti FE before and this fan was screaming. Sold it for 800€ and bought a 4090. In less demanding titles like World of Tanks the 3080ti had much higher powerdraw in 4k @ 144hz and sometimes could not even reach 144hz. Up to 300 or even more Watts before and ~150 Watts now with the 4090. It is silent, it is fast and gives the first acceptable 4k gaming experience. The 7900xtx was't in concideration since if I spend so much money on a GPU I go for the best anyways. I think it is still pretty overpriced though.
I bought a 4090 day one the morning they dropped at my local Micro Center and immediately compared it against my 3080Ti which is a 3090 essentially in Quake 2 RTX at 4K and my mind was blown when it was twice as fast. The 4090 was such a good generational jump over the last flagship, unfortunately the same couldnt be said for the rest of the stack. Still once the RTX 5000 series comes out getting your hands on a used 4090 will be such a nice uplift in performance for people and its really power efficient too.
Awesome comparison. I will say that your 3090 results are a little skewed downwards. At 350W the 3090 was heavily power limited. A model with three power connectors with a 450W+ power limit could hold 2Ghz+ stable while yours was hovering around 1800Mhz. I suppose the 4090 could be overclocked as well, but it is not nearly as power limited due to its much more efficient manufacturing process. This could also be making it look smoother on the lows.
@@OC.TINYYY The “convo” is very much not mute since you didn’t read. The 3090 is heavily power limited without three 8-pins. That’s the only way to OC over 2Ghz and hold it. The 4090 is not power limited in most cases. Any 4090 can OC. Not every 3090 can OC. Read lol.
NumBee-vv8et Not true. They show the 3090 being 39% slower than the 4090 taking the 4090 as the baseline. And the 4090 being 64% faster than the 3090 taking the 3090 as the baseline. Daniel needs to teach how percentages work in his videos as well it seems. And yes the 4090 is 2x or 100% faster than the 3090 in plenty of titles with heavy raytracing, in raster it's mostly 60-80% faster.
Bought a used RTX 3090 a little over a year ago for around $560. At 3440x1440 resolution, it's more than adequate in most games at max settings, looks like it's going to tide me over at least until the 50 series.
I was eager to watch a video like this. Your knowledge and commitment to GPU performance reviews are unparalleled. I have the exact same Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 since launch and it has been a superb experience. Thank you!
Ayo I have the same card and playing Alan wake 2 rn. Coming from a 1050 laptop, it feels bonkers. I had to play apex legends at 720p low and barely got 60fps in my laptop and now the fan doesn't even bother to spin in the lobby at 4k everything maxed out
@@HippoKing19914090 isn’t that bad. Some just crank it to ridiculous OC with little gain. Mine runs at undervolt 300W in an ITX case with the same FPS and rendering speed as stock.
The problem was the 3090 was absolutely horrendous value compared to 3080/70. Its not fair to compare 4070-3070 because those cards were actually good value.
Honestly, I feel like so many of the very taxing/good-looking games hit the CPU-limit because of bad porting that GPU power doesn't matter as much currently
Yeah unless it's a 4k monitor! I have a 3440x1440p ultra wide monitor and it gets bottlenecked at stock resolution so I have to raise the render resolution to hit 99 percent on it with certain games!
@@Atzmn funny enough i just started playing cp again 2 days ago. my 9900k handles it fine at 1440p, obviously i’m not getting hella fps cause of my gpu but at 70-80fps it doesn’t bottle neck
Prediction: The 5090 will be awesome in terms of performance again and everything else will be sub par (also again). Price? Do not ask me. And yes, the 4090 is the first above 80 series card that is kind of worth it because of the insane uplift from the 3090 and difference to the 4080 (also no 4080 Ti in sight).
I agree. The 5090 will be amazing, but my bet it will cost around 2000$. The 5080 will be probably quite a bit slower, maybe around ~~30% slower than the 5090, for around half the price. Every other card down the stack will be overpriced piece of shit with Apple-like marketing strategies that make you want to always get the next tier up.
they are, if u calculate vs the actual replaced GPU by die size and memory interface. 3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060 (AD107 159MM 128bit ) +60%! 3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060ti (AD106 200MM 128bit ) + 90% !! 3060 (GA106 280MM 192bit) -> 4070ti (AD104 294MM 192bit ) + 128% !!! (with extreme TDP push) 3070 (GA104 392MM 256 bit) - 4080 (AD103 379MM 256bit) + 93% !! 3090 (GA102 628MM 384 bit) -> 4090 (AD102 609MM 384bit) + 64% ( maybe thermal or power limit by choice and 4090 is more cut down then 3090) if u look at the right numbers u can see how amazing are Ada Lovelace and TSMC 5NM, too bad that NV had no real competition so they took small dies built them on a good PCBs and coolers, overclock them to the moon and sell them for X2 the price.
@@Anankin12 price and names are last moment decision. think like: here is a AD107, it is tiny but it is stronger than 3060 by ~20% and our insiders think it will compete well with a 250-270$ card from AMD. "ok call it 4060 and sell it for 300$ (we have DLSS, RT, nv premium bla bla bla )" if it's go well its stays, if not it will drop a bit in price or will be replaced with a cut down higher tier die with a super/ti name. Ada Lovelace is amazingly good and efficient, RDNA3 is a flop, nvidia used it to sell lower overclocked GPU at extreme prices. why ? because they can.
well, I'm going to keep for a while the used 3090 I got for around 700$ last year, it's an EVGA as well. (even painted it white so it fits the build) with a nice undervolt it draws around 300W on a full load. RT without upscaling is obviously a no-go in 1440p in any game, maybe RTAO is manageable. To be honest I did not expect that I'd need to use so much upscaling with this card in 1440p, but that's modern gaming I guess... I wouldn't have liked this card if I bought it full price on release though.
I did the same upgrade path last Summer to get more VRAM for Stable Diffusion and other large language models. I'm definitely sticking with it for at least 2 more years just like you said.
pretty much the same deal here, except I got a FE, treating it well so it should last me a few years to come aswell ( not really wanting to have the "best' right away helps)
@@n.erdbeerwith the 4070 Super* But the pricing of the current mid tier (the 4070, which does not beat the 3090 Ti) is 20% higher than it should be at launch (even accounting for inflation) and there's a huge gap between the 70 and 70 Ti tiers. Not to mention the cut down bus and limited memory.
That said the 4070 Super launched at marginally higher price than what the 3070 and 2070 did (accounting for inflation. Yes, it launched at the same price I just said was 20% higher, but inflation has been so wild that 450 in 2020 has become 580 in 2024, while it was not much higher than 450 when the plain 70 launched) and there's a HUGE gap with the Ti (to the point that they had to slot in the Supers,.which is ridiculous) and then there's another gap between the very expensive 80 and 90. Oh well.
@@Anankin12 well, GPU price had less inflation than food/energy prices where I live, so I could care less tbh. A price increase sux but that's how it goes.
@@n.erdbeer as I said the 4070 Super is actually good, it is the 4070 that sucks (still does, costs like 5% less than the super while performing 10-20% less)
I’m gonna disagree with you on two fronts. I think raising the price as much as they did this time was actually insane. $800 for a 7 class? Really? $400 and $500 for both 60 classes? Insane That said i also dont think a new gen has to hit the 50 percent threshold everytime. Sometimes 25-30 percent is really all you need. In that sense just keep it at the same price or lower prices. It makes sense. But as is now it makes zero sense and its a robbery for everything except the 4070 Super and weirdly the 4090. Mind you $1600 for a GPU is mental, but when its THAT much faster than every other GPU on the market what is there to keep it’s price in check? The 4080/super and 7900XTX are such poor alternatives for anybody at 4K with deep pockets that they just dont make any sense at all
@@lifemocker85 RTX 2000 series was a rip...RTX 3000 was priced very well until the mining craze started and they used "shortages" as an excuse to jack up the prices while blaming scalpers. Rtx 4000...already stated the reason I believe they were priced the way they are. RTX 5000 I believe won't be great, but better than RTX 4000. Hopefully significantly so for the midrange.
The problem is that you can't find the card for MSRP. The card where I live goes for above 2000-2400€ Instead, I managed to get myself a 4080s for only 1k€
Jawa is like the GameStop of used GPU’s. Apparently my 3080 12 EVGA FTW3 Ultra in excellent condition and original packaging is valued at only $287 before tax. What a ripoff.
GPUs was exciting when they were invented back in the 90s. Since then they been used as hype content for manufacturers and streamers. They are just a piece of hardware that I buy every now and then when I feel that part of my PC needs an upgrade. Currently I own a 6800 non-xt and I dont need to upgrade the next few years.
The 3090 and 4090 were exciting products. That’s why I bought both of them. My 3090 Founders Edition is sitting on display in my bedroom now. Freakin things are beautiful.
Its kind of crazy how demanding games have become graphically over the last couple years. I bought a 3090 a little over a year ago to run Cyberpunk maxed out and now most new games if they have RT I'm unable to have RT active if i want a consistent 60+ frames. Not having RT isnt a deal breaker for me but I'm curious to see if this trend will continue
I do not think RT should even be a selling point until it can be implemented in a way your FPS does not tank. yeah it looks real good on some games but other games i can not really tell it is on but I can sure see my FPS drop.
it will continue, otherwise you wound buy next gen card... this whole RT bs is just about that. It alluring. When I was unable to run Alan Wake with PT I felt like missing out. I enabled it ingame, saw some nicer image and was hard to return to raster. Than I managed to run in 60fps with PT using Lossless Scaling FG... and very soon, I realized, PT adds NOTHING to the experience. Absolutely nothing. I was not even able to see it, and tested turning it off etc... So its just a placebo. If you cant have it, its a big deal, when u can have it, you dont care. At the end of the day, its BS and it only makes u buy these 1000 USD cards.
I'd say the RTX 4000 series are a massive improvement across the board: The RTX 4060Ti is 2.6x faster than the RTX 3050 The RTX 4070Ti is 2.2x faster than the RTX 3060 The RTX 4080 Super is 2x faster than the RTX 3070 Oh yeah those are the proper 40 series successor to their respective 30 series predecessors, just look at the die sizes. Why were the cards and chips named poorly and priced poorly? Cuz you bought all the crap Nvidia has put out since the gtx 600 series. Yes all the way back to 2012.
True lol, people will realise so late that any gpu pre ada is a piece of junk. 4060 has 2x perf/ watt compared to 3060 without even enabling FG. 4060 enables budget gaming laptops to be cool on 85w tdp with close to rtx 2080ti performance and exceeding that with FG. None would expect that when 2080ti launched.
@@filippetrovic845 The 4060 is on a much better process node and on a much smaller die. The 4060 is a 30/40 class GPU, the 3060 is about a 60 class GPU. The 4070Ti is the real 60 class GPU.
Could you do this same test suite 3090 vs 4080, might be interesting to see how much perf you're giving up in heavy RT workloads for that extra VRAM. 🤔
I know people always hate on the 4090 price, and for good reason tbh, but I went from the GOAT 1080ti to it and it has been probably the best purchase I have made since. I play at 1440p, so I won't have to worry about upgrading my GPU for at least another 5 years. Probably way longer thanks to DLSS/FSR frame gen advancements.
@@iiWitcher Got it about a month ago. I play at 4k. Been watching for things to stabilize, but that does not seem to be the case for 40 or even 50 series. I am going to likely skip the 50 series. And again, I got the original 3080 with less ram, so the upgrade was worth it for me. Also, I give my son my old cards. He will enjoy the 3080 on his 1440 monitor.
Bought a used PNY XLR8 3090 for 420 euros. Half the price of a 4070 Super and less than a third of the price of a 4090. Cleaned it, undervolted it and it runs like a dream. For the price it was a no-brainer.
pc and frame latency are not taken into account during framegen fps and that severely deteriorates the gameplay experience rather than looking at pure fps count
I tried modded Frame Generation in Starfield. Gives me about 30 additional fps if not more to reach 144 and I can barely feel the input lag when playing on a low sensitivity. Mouse and keyboard of course.
@@johnderat2652 I think framegen has improved over time but I have turned it off while playing Forza 5 and enjoy the no compromise smooth experience with no strange artefacts from framegen. For high fps games I think framegen deteriotes from the action.
I maintain the 3090 and 4090 are "pro-sumer" class cards and they're a good deal when compared to rendering cards that are like $4000+. Until now there's been no option between the 8-10GB of vram gaming GPU, and the 48GB of vram rendering GPU thats also worse at gaming.
Lucky those who only got. 100-200$ markup on the release aib 4090. Now its going a premium of 300$ because "inflation" yet those are open box/returns or old sealed stocks. I'm not concerned for 5080 or new titans if the new one costs 2x a platform upgrade. Amd will either give us another 5700xt era where they downscale but nvidia is walling their best cards for ai so they'll only make gddr7 for the top class cards.
@@danielkissgremsperger3242 everyone who uses Dlss ...... ups sorry i didnt want to shout facts. But yes the reason it works is jkust for nvidia to sell 40 series cards. They are activly blocking amd from putting in fsr3 cause that would also benefit 30 series usern and those should pay up...Fomo at its peak.
I'd be lying if i said the really heavy titles look good enough to require that amount of performance drain on the cards... wish companies would spend more time optimizing. Instead of racing for 60fps still, we should be aiming for 144 or more with technologies we already have out there.
Can't wait for the 5090. I'm running out of things to upgrade for my PC: my 4090 has been through two generations of CPU/MB and Monitor upgrades: 12900k/Z690 to 7950X3D/X670 and Samsung Neo G9 47" to Neo G9 57". The 47" screen is now a secondary monitor. I can't make my PC any faster so I upgraded my 2 Mesh routers from 2 Asus AXE16000 to 2 Asus GT-BE98 Pro connected to multiple 10 Gbe switches. Also built a new server at home with 120 TB 10Gbe connection. My 4090 cannot push max settings for new games with my new monitor at 7680x2160. Also it does not support the newest Display port generation because my 57" Neo G9 can only get 120hz instead of the stock 240hz.
Hi Daniel, as always I am enjoying your videos. How well do you personally see the new battlemage gpus sitting, and do you think it is worth waiting for them to release? I have 700 dollars to readily spend but am unsure if I should wait for new completion to change the market.
As the other commenter said I don't think Battlemage will compete at that price point. I'm more interested in what AMD has up their sleeve with the upcoming AI-based upscaling release, and if Radeon 8000 series will be significantly better at taking advantage of it than 7000 series (more AI cores or architectural advantage). Both of these generations of GPUs should come out in the second half of this year
Path tracing is amazing tech. First time lighting in games feels real. I hope it’s the future but we all would need amazing computers for it to truly matter.
The 40 series is faster than the 30 series. 4090 is 70+% faster than the 3090 4080 is 80% faster than the 3070 4070 is 80% faster than the 3060 4060Ti is 80% faster than the 3050 They gaslit us into thinking it's a shitty generation.
I payed $2500 for A 4090 to replace a 3090 for AI programmer who's time was worth $300 per hour. It more than payed for itself. The 3090 is now working 24/7 on other tasks.
Got to say, I went from a Gtx 1060 3gb to a RX 6800, that has been quite exciting. However, pre gen pc components excited me more that the newest stuff because of price and seeing all the instability of DDR5 ram every week by working with customer service in tech. I lived with a i7 3770, DDR3 and a GTX 1060 for 8 years. So I sure can have these for 8 years too: Ryzen 9 5900x 32gb DDR4 3600Mhz RX 6800 16gb vram And a ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II, wasn't really gonna go Asus this time. But in the pricerange I got as an employee. There wasn't really any other motherboard in stock that could compare. All of it has been flawless so far. Even undervolted my Ryzen 9. The more cool and stable the pc is, the better. And it is mostly under 75 degrees.
@@dnice42 You are living in delusion, Nvidia cards usually have 10-12 delta, while AMD 17-20. So if AMD Gpu temp is 60 Hotspot ~ 80. Nvidia 60 Hotspot 70~ .
@darkfire3691 the Hotspot has to deal with cooler design, mounting pressure, and thermal interface. I got the hot spot on my 6800xt to 7 to 10 degree difference with a paste and washer mod from 15
It is possible to sell GPU through JAWA from another country? Cause I'm from Brazil and here the prices are insane, and to help, the government just put a import tax of 98% (yes, ninety-eight percent) so is not only impossible to Import but the local prices raised a lot 😢
@@кадзимагений-э2э my RX 6800 XT just crashed 😭, had to buy a 4070 (normal one) for $700, a used one ... But it's impossible to convert currency cause for us is 3500 reais (our currency) this is 2 times my apartment rent... The minimum wage in Brazil is 1412 reais.. So, for some one that earn that, he needs at least 3 month without spending anything to buy a used 4070... We are number 14º in tax ranking in the world, so... It's really hard to explain how absurd this country is when it comes to prices of electronics, cars, houses... And of course, corruption... In 180 countries, we are the 104 most corrupt country in the world... What more can I say
The only reason the 4090 looks good is because the 3090 itself was absolutely terrible value , you'd be getting 15% better performance on avergae than a 3080 for double the price , it was more useful for professional workloads but for gaming it was not very good
Brother in 2018-2019 a used GTX 1070 was between $600-$900 dude, during 2021-2022 the 3080 was reselling for $2000. RELAX. You can get more rasterization per dollar on the used market than ever before and Intel is literally bringing budget GPUs back, I’d argue this is one of the best times ever for beginners to build budget rigs.
u must be joking right? this is best era of gpus in 5 6 years.... during covid era 3090 costed 2000-3000 euros, even mid and low gpus were extinct or costed 500+, now you can get rx6800 or xt version for 400 or even 350 thats 16gb vram gpu that runs 4k most games and with fsr all games except alan wake and last of us. or get 550 euros worth 7900 GRE that run all games at 4k no issues, lower end gpus cost 250 300 now...
I'm glad Daniel uses high end gaming components for his videos. Such as CURRENT gen CPU, sweet spot RAM, and a freaking m.2 NVMe SSD. Most of the big YTers are not doing a mix of these components. I don't think it would affect performance, but I would like to see a power supply that uses the 2x6-12V native cable, not an adapter.
RTX 3090 leans heavily into being a consumer productivity card though. I have an rtx 3090 for work and push +20GB loads most of the time. Gaming it might hit 11-12GB of VRAM but I usually have some tasks running in the background that averages 8-12GB VRAM also. Low productivity mixed with gaming though, yeah a 4070ti super beats the 3090 in every way.
3090 was a good buy used $700-900 - it's the same price today as it was when I got it a year ago. It's still a smart buy because it's holding value so much better than any other GPU. Many people want high VRAM NVIDIA for AI. I'll resell for $500-600 (Strix 480W!) in a year for the 5090 and only have paid $200-300 to enjoy it for 2-3 years.
since I am busy renovating my house I am gonna wait for RTX 5000 refresh or a new RTX 6000. The RTX 3080 does it for me with water cooling. But I would be excited for an upgrade after 4-5 years.
They used to be great used deals before the whole AI boom. At one point you could pick them up for $600-$700 which is an incredible deal considering it still has performance comparable to a 4070Ti whilst also having double the VRAM and more memory bandwidth.
Can’t really justify the price of the gpu in my country. It’s about 2.1k€ for the cheapest model, either new or used, they are at almost the same price. This sucks as I started working with AI and a 4090 would be nice for both gaming and AI
A lot of people talk about the 40 Series with a lot of negativity, but my personal experience with a 4070 has been nothing but overwhelmingly positive. Though to be fair, I upgraded to a 4070 from a 1660 Ti. So the leap in performance and power was absolutely massive. Also, features newly available to me since buying a 4070 are very impressive to me (DLSS upscaling, frame generation, ray tracing, etc). So I admit my personal opinion might be biased and influenced by the "wow" factor of such a huge upgrade.
The experience you're having from your 4070 was supposed to be given at a 4060 level. The issue isn't with the cards, the performance uplift was great and the features were a large bonus over that. The issue is that every card got labeled as one tier higher than it should be, and then got a MSRP increase over that as well.
Dude, this is just a 4090 ad. The value of the 3090 was atrocious. Why do you think nVidia sent him a 3090 FE for this ad? In 5 months both nVidia and AMD will announce their new generations GPU’s. Buying a 4090 now is a really bad investment unless you really need it.
Sad the route they went on that game. It had great bones, but the unnecessary identity politics they threw into it created a cloud on the game and Remedy as a whole.
Remember when you bought a graphics card with raw performance that could just push higher resolution, with higher game settings (Textures, shadows, etc), with higher frames without all the trickery of frame generation, DLSS, FSR etc? I feel like we're kind getting ripped off anymore.
I bought my 4070 for ~450 USD May 2023 and I'm thinking on finally jumping to 4K. Last Black Friday I found a new 4090 for $1300 USD (Zotac Airo AMP Extreme, dunno how good that is). If I can find that model for about the same price, should I pull the trigger or wait for the 5090?
I would buy the 4090 fir that price because we don't know when the 5000 series will release and if you need the extra power then you can sell the 4090 and upgrade to the 5090.
@user-xz9uj9jo4h hurry up and get the 4090 lol. If you do welcome to the 4090 club ha and what are the rest of your specs? Are you going to upgrade other parts of your pc?
@@MrAnimescrazy I'm using a 5800X3D, but hopefully I can sell within the next couple of weeks. Still deciding between a 7800X3D or a 14700K (for both work and gaming). Leaning towards Intel.
@user-xz9uj9jo4h yes if you are going to be doing work and gaming go with intel unless if you are Satified with the performance of the 7800x3d when it comes to productivity.
Went from a 1060 to a 580 to a 3060 ti to a 4070. Idk when I'll upgrade again but haven't really been keeping up with GPUs as of late since I'm very happy with my 4070 and I don't play a shit ton of graphically demanding games. I'm happy to say that JRPGs don't require you to have a stupid powerful system and I'm very happy about that.
@@filippetrovic845 Heck no i don't listen to them. Also I didn't understand the person that said "If you play at 1080p and stay away from Triple A titles". Because I play at 1440p, and when I actually tried playing at 1080p, there was a huge bottleneck and performance dropped, but when I went back to 1440p, great performance and high fps. Also I tried a couple of Triple A titles with this card that I have paired with a 13600kf and 32gb of ddr5 ram, and it worked just fine. This card really is great.
This is why I play on low end cards. This comparisson makes my 3060 look not half bad when the 3090 is running on very demanding conditions with quite poor results. The thing is that they sell their xx90 series as ultimate cards that are too good even for gaming, then the lie unveils and it's not just that the card underpeforms for its price as soon as a new technology is implemented, but that this can even affect the mental of buyers who spent thousands on a card whose value inmensely drops after just a few years. Next card will be a RTX 6060 or a RTX 6070 (or ti / super variants) and I already know it's going to be a good deal.
4k gaming is so overrated and completely pointless unless you can afford a monster card that is 4090. You will experience the biggest visual difference by going from 1080p to 1440p. Going from 1440p which is a perfect sweet spot to 2140p doesn't make enough difference to justify the fps drop and I'll take higher fps any day. We're just not at the point yet where 4k gaming is reasonable with consumer cards
Wow even the 4090 struggles at native 4K in all of these games without any ray tracing or upscaling, and that point I'd play at 1440p on both GPUs. 4K is no joke and the 4090 is already nearly a 2 year old GPU , the 5090 is what I am saving up for and it'll be really worth it in my opinion so there you have it, gaming is extremely intensive yet disappointing unfortunately 😑
You can thank data science. Product mgrs collect mass consumer data and pump it through various ML models to refine what we'll barely tolerate at the highes prices. Its a literal science.
there is a vid on youtube of someone playing a game using DLSS and AMD Frame generation together and it was massively better than the DLSS Frame generation
Dont use 1080p this days only for very low end gpu like 3050 and slower because even on a 1080p sreen 1440p dlss qulity looks better and runs a bit better or the same as 1080 native and yeah it looks better even on a 1080p sreen with dsr in the controll center or coustom 1440p res on your 1080p sreen
The 4070 Ti was expected to be the 4080, but AMD's release of the 6950 disrupted those plans. Traditionally, Ti models have been targeting users of 2K/4K. It is interesting to note, despite negative sentiments to both manufacturers, particularly NVidia, a 4060 Ti was released. However, 4060 Ti's raw specifications were inferior to what people were expecting to be similar to the 4070, which led to ridicule for NVidia. Very interesting point is the 4060 and Ti versions, both have the same software additives, which provide these synthetic results.
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Good Video, Just a few things, Maybe people should be More " Realistic " when it comes to buying a GFX card .... 1) Are the list of your games being played Going to Use Ray tracing, And Are you brainwashed into THINKING you need RayTracing? 2) Are you a Video Editor/Streamer and similar that needs the Type of Power that the RTX 4090 can offer? 3) Are You trying to become a Professional gamer 4) Do you Have a 4K High Refresh rate Monitor 5) Are you just a person that likes the " Bragging " rights for owning a 4090? Lastly, If you played games for years on PC before anyone of these New ?? cards came out and Had fun, then why the need to spend Hundreds more. Don't believe the Hype/advertising Bullshit, when you peel away the Veneer, it's that Same damn product with a new badge That's it...... I am willing to Bet that if a Sony rep knocked on your door and Gave you a Decked Out PS5 and 1 yr Game Sub, You would be playing those Games religiously, and how much would that cost, for me approx $800 Far less then the cost of a 4090
Hey Daniel, to be honest - why should we care about MSRP, if there's no way to get a GPU for this price, because nVidia controls and shifts the market the way they want, to shift what everyone has to pay for their products. 😅🤷♂
Here in Germany you pay 25-40% above MSRP ... what a pity.
Do you make a serious video just to give us good content or is it about nonsens, to get some profit from your partnership with JAWA?^^
Naahhh ... I guess the lines between are thin, very thin.
I would stay realistic ... I mean nVidia RTX 4090 listed for 1.749€ ... but on the market for 2.249€ is 28,59% above MSRP... I would never ever compare MSRP. This is not a NEW effect which made it's way into the market with the release of the 4000-Series, this had also existed while 3000-Series was released.
The moment I bought my RTX 3090 Ti, it was "only" 8% above the official MSRP, but at this price it was never seen again, so the prices came not even closer onto MSRP as this.
- This situation doesn't became better with the 4000-Series... of cause not.
But "sight" 😔 it's maybe easy to make it as simple as possible by comparing MSRPs, if you didn't had to pay for every GPU you got, because you got luck to get samples for free. It's then more easy right.
And by the way: To rump, bluster or even to raor is better for kids, to do it outside of the house. That's what my parents teached me in my childhood and it makes sense, so I'm teaching it as well.
$40 for my 1070? 😭
Jawa is a huge ripoff! They give you peanuts for your GPU!
Yeah I just checked to see what i would receive for my 4080 super and they offered $600 😂
Like a pawn shop, they have to in order to turn around and re-sell it. You'll always get a lot less than you would selling it to the end user directly (ex. thru eBay). Just as I'd never sell anything to a pawn shop, I'd never sell my GPU to Jawa, but other people may prefer to not worry about listing theirs, being accountable to the buyer or potentially dealing with non-paying buyers.
Lmao😂
@@Osprey850 True...they do need to make their money back, but I don't think the convenience and safety is worth the amount they give you thats just me though.
@@JoseLopez-e8p1q They wanted like 800 for my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Anyone remember when you had people saying "the 3090 isn't a gaming card / isn't meant for gaming!"?
Tbf, that kinda did make sense in theory. The 3080 performed super similar and made it irrelevent, there was like a 20 percent gap between the 3080 and the 3090 Ti, with the 3080 Ti being 5 percent off the 3090 and 3090 Ti being 5 percent faster than a 3090 i think. The only reason to buy it was productivity due to extra cores and 24gb of vram vs 10 and 12gb. That and mining. The 3090 will go down as one of the best crypto investments of all time. Basically paid for itself and was a money printer for almost 2 years. Is it fucked up that was a thing? Absolutely, but thats what happened. It really wasnt a card people actually bought for gaming at the end of the day lol. The 4090 on the other hand is the first true 4K gaming card, as in the first and only GPU to exist that actually is an optimal 4K card instead of some glorified 1440p high refresh rate card that needs to play at a mix of medium/high settings in a lot of games and look worse than 1440p high or ultra. Yeah the 3090 was a trash card for gamers, but for productivity and mining it definitely had its purpose
@@Angel7blackthe 3090, 3090 Ti, 4080, 4080 Super are all 4K cards though.
The 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti Super are a weird bunch: all of them perform similar or better than a 3090, but only in 1080p. At 1440p they get stunted and at 4K they fall off, due to the 192 bit bus and 3 of them because of the "just" 12GB of memory.
More lik3 the 4090 is the first actually RTX card, even though it's just barely
@@Angel7black I dont feel my 3090 is or was a trashcard for gaming rly , still enjoying it loads and hopefully will untill 6090 comes ;)
@@CrusterfunkShenanigans based on the way that modern games are getting we'll be lucky if the 3090 or 6950xt from last gen will make it to 6000 nvidia or 9000 amd
@@elysian3623 very valid point, but I am lucky enough to have a backlog on my steamlibrary that I need two or more lifetimes for to complete them all.🍀
4090 is one of those GPUs Nvidia launches right after AMD looks to have a come back. For example Fury X was very close to 980 Ti, so they released 1080 Ti for good price. 6900 XT was close to 3090. It also just happens that AMD cant seem to execute more than 1 generation. Both Vega and RDNA3 underdelivered.
RDNA1 was also ass, but people made every excuse for how broken that architecture was with all the bugs. So far the only tome it feels like AMD can actually put out solid GPUs is when Sony hold’s their hand. By that I mean Polaris and RDNA2 which were GPUs used for the PS4(pro specifically i think) and PS5. Sony and Microsoft would not have accepted half cooked GPUs for their consoles
So true, 4090 just there to troll Radeon. I imagine one of those slap fights where the tough guys quickly learns to stay in his. TBH though, AMD don’t want to beat Nvidia, they just wanna get close enough so they can charge nvidia like prices and continue to push up prices. Win win for both companies. Remember, amd releases after nvidia as a pricing tactic. If they wanted to compete on performance they go hard and release on the same day and throw down but they don’t.
still went with a 7800xt nitro + desktop use it next to my 4060 laptop.
@@moldetaco2281
1080ti so isn't double the performance in resterision then 980ti but you still call it legendary. 4090 is very close to double in restoration any ways, and with RT can even give you more then double like in Alan wake 2. Also in my opinion 4090 is much more impressive than 1080ti and is bigger leap than 1080ti was.
The only reason RDNA2 wasn't also bad in comparison to Ampere is because AMD had a big node advantage with TSMC 7nm vs Samsung 8nm. If Ampere were also on TSMC then Nvidia would have destroyed AMD like they did with Ada vs RDNA3.
4090 could’ve been the GOAT if they didn’t price it so crazy
Edit: I didn’t think this would blow up, so let me clarify to the people calling me broke that I OWN a 4090 🤣
Sounds like someone watched the recent Gamers Nexus video
@@mistarbeanz don’t need to watch a gamers nexus video to come to that conclusion lol. Performance is there but the fps per dollar isn’t. Don’t need a RUclipsr to tell you that
hot take. 1600$ isn’t too much especially if we woulda gotten a 1200 4080ti, 4090 is just fine at the retail msrp. those cards are supposed to be for the few that can afford it. i do have a problem with 1000-1200$ 4080/4080 supers though
It is GOAT
80% performance against 3090 is actually insane tho, 4090 is the goat for me, I can for real throw ewe at it and that fucker still surprises me
oh man, new games are so badly optimized they manage to make the 4090 look like a 3050.
I bought a 3090 used for 840 dollars about a year ago and love it, I hope to buy a 4090 at close to the same price in another year or so.
I bought 3080 for less than half and get 90% of 3090 performance. VRAM was never a issue for me
I got a used EVGA 3090 for 650$ last summer. Used for only 6 months in a mining rig and still had warranty on it. Really happy with it
Warrant isn't valid unless you bought it from new
@@stevieC11Hanworth Thats the new policy. At the time of buying EVGA hadnt updated its policy yet. EVGA had transferrable warranty on its cards. I placed it in my name after buying it. As long as you have proof that you bought it from the original owner you get the warranty which i have. I even called to make sure. I dont need it anyway.
@@Z3R0-FC okay thanks. A good deal 👌 I paid 3k for my 3090 lol. Happy gaming
@@stevieC11Hanworth 3k for 3090? Craaazy! I bought mine used aswell for 500 Euros. Now every 3090 goes from 600Euros and above here in Baltics.
@@Noa15Lvlol. In my defence it is the top of the range 3090 Rog strix white OC brand new from Ebuyer. 3 series is the goat of Nvidia happy gaming in sunny baltic. Edit confused baltic to balkans not so sunny in baltic regions
Holy hell, people are naive to be willing to pay 2k for a GPU that needs fake resolutions to get a playable framerate on certain titles.
You need help.
The 30 series was never exciting.
Folks paid $1000 or more for a 3070 during those times...
i paid $650 for mine on launch. sucks to be you
@@videogamesruinedmylife3769 Me? Tell that to most owners that paid $1000.
5:20 - This could be the tiniest Daniel has ever been in these videos. What will the future hold?
Rtx 4090 was the best purchase Ive ever made for 4k gaming. It simply shreds everything while being SILENT. My battle with noise was finally over.
And no. Fck headphones.
Exacty! Had a 3080ti FE before and this fan was screaming. Sold it for 800€ and bought a 4090. In less demanding titles like World of Tanks the 3080ti had much higher powerdraw in 4k @ 144hz and sometimes could not even reach 144hz. Up to 300 or even more Watts before and ~150 Watts now with the 4090.
It is silent, it is fast and gives the first acceptable 4k gaming experience. The 7900xtx was't in concideration since if I spend so much money on a GPU I go for the best anyways.
I think it is still pretty overpriced though.
I bought a 4090 day one the morning they dropped at my local Micro Center and immediately compared it against my 3080Ti which is a 3090 essentially in Quake 2 RTX at 4K and my mind was blown when it was twice as fast. The 4090 was such a good generational jump over the last flagship, unfortunately the same couldnt be said for the rest of the stack. Still once the RTX 5000 series comes out getting your hands on a used 4090 will be such a nice uplift in performance for people and its really power efficient too.
Awesome comparison. I will say that your 3090 results are a little skewed downwards. At 350W the 3090 was heavily power limited. A model with three power connectors with a 450W+ power limit could hold 2Ghz+ stable while yours was hovering around 1800Mhz. I suppose the 4090 could be overclocked as well, but it is not nearly as power limited due to its much more efficient manufacturing process. This could also be making it look smoother on the lows.
Nah, 4090 is double the performance of a 3090 regardless. They both have similar OC headroom, so the convo is mute.
too power hungry
@@OC.TINYYY The “convo” is very much not mute since you didn’t read. The 3090 is heavily power limited without three 8-pins. That’s the only way to OC over 2Ghz and hold it. The 4090 is not power limited in most cases. Any 4090 can OC. Not every 3090 can OC. Read lol.
NumBee-vv8et Not true. They show the 3090 being 39% slower than the 4090 taking the 4090 as the baseline. And the 4090 being 64% faster than the 3090 taking the 3090 as the baseline. Daniel needs to teach how percentages work in his videos as well it seems.
And yes the 4090 is 2x or 100% faster than the 3090 in plenty of titles with heavy raytracing, in raster it's mostly 60-80% faster.
It's not double its 50% fastern
Bought a used RTX 3090 a little over a year ago for around $560. At 3440x1440 resolution, it's more than adequate in most games at max settings, looks like it's going to tide me over at least until the 50 series.
I was eager to watch a video like this. Your knowledge and commitment to GPU performance reviews are unparalleled. I have the exact same Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 since launch and it has been a superb experience. Thank you!
What are the rest of your specs?
Ayo I have the same card and playing Alan wake 2 rn.
Coming from a 1050 laptop, it feels bonkers. I had to play apex legends at 720p low and barely got 60fps in my laptop and now the fan doesn't even bother to spin in the lobby at 4k everything maxed out
@@lullabyX86 that is a huge upgrade.
Still want a 4090 tho lol
i've just bought it, couldnt be happier!
@@ejczi Give me one lol
I got the 4080 super and it’s really awesome too !
Elec bill sure doesnt want to be introduced
@@HippoKing19914090 isn’t that bad. Some just crank it to ridiculous OC with little gain. Mine runs at undervolt 300W in an ITX case with the same FPS and rendering speed as stock.
The problem was the 3090 was absolutely horrendous value compared to 3080/70. Its not fair to compare 4070-3070 because those cards were actually good value.
4070-3070 have terrible value since theyre overpriced and vram gimped
Not for the class of fps they give, 4070 1440p mid-high settings
3070 high / max 1080p@@lifemocker85
@@nttinvisexactly, a terrible price and not enough Vram as was stated.
@Lynnfield3440 i guess yoou could say that but adding more doesn't benefit nvidia because the performance level it to low anyway
@@nttinvis textures doesnt effect performance one can just have better quality of textures if theres enough vram
What about the coil whine in the 4090 cards
Honestly, I feel like so many of the very taxing/good-looking games hit the CPU-limit because of bad porting that GPU power doesn't matter as much currently
Yeah unless it's a 4k monitor! I have a 3440x1440p ultra wide monitor and it gets bottlenecked at stock resolution so I have to raise the render resolution to hit 99 percent on it with certain games!
So many new AAA games lock my 7600x to 80-100% its mind boggling to me that ar 1440p high im still cpu bound in a lot of scenarios
Not necessarily. CP 2077 is a taxing good-looking game that work on a potato CPU and needs 6 fast (ish) cores.
@@HanSolo__ cp is heavily cpu bound after the 2.0 update...
@@Atzmn funny enough i just started playing cp again 2 days ago. my 9900k handles it fine at 1440p, obviously i’m not getting hella fps cause of my gpu but at 70-80fps it doesn’t bottle neck
Prediction: The 5090 will be awesome in terms of performance again and everything else will be sub par (also again). Price? Do not ask me.
And yes, the 4090 is the first above 80 series card that is kind of worth it because of the insane uplift from the 3090 and difference to the 4080 (also no 4080 Ti in sight).
I agree. The 5090 will be amazing, but my bet it will cost around 2000$.
The 5080 will be probably quite a bit slower, maybe around ~~30% slower than the 5090, for around half the price. Every other card down the stack will be overpriced piece of shit with Apple-like marketing strategies that make you want to always get the next tier up.
@@100500danielLolz, as it turns out 5080 will be significantly slower than 4090 but will catch up in ray tracing.
If only those gains applied to every tier
they are, if u calculate vs the actual replaced GPU by die size and memory interface.
3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060 (AD107 159MM 128bit ) +60%!
3050 (GA107 200MM 128bit) -> 4060ti (AD106 200MM 128bit ) + 90% !!
3060 (GA106 280MM 192bit) -> 4070ti (AD104 294MM 192bit ) + 128% !!! (with extreme TDP push)
3070 (GA104 392MM 256 bit) - 4080 (AD103 379MM 256bit) + 93% !!
3090 (GA102 628MM 384 bit) -> 4090 (AD102 609MM 384bit) + 64% ( maybe thermal or power limit by choice and 4090 is more cut down then 3090)
if u look at the right numbers u can see how amazing are Ada Lovelace and TSMC 5NM, too bad that NV had no real competition so they took small dies built them on a good PCBs and coolers, overclock them to the moon and sell them for X2 the price.
@@gametime4316 Where`s the 4070 ?
@@gametime4316yes but price wise the 4060 is more than a 3060, so you're still getting fucked. The only card that did work is the 4090
@@walter1824 just a cut down 4070 ti, it would have compared to a cut 3060 12gb if there was one
@@Anankin12 price and names are last moment decision.
think like:
here is a AD107, it is tiny but it is stronger than 3060 by ~20% and our insiders think it will compete well with a 250-270$ card from AMD.
"ok call it 4060 and sell it for 300$ (we have DLSS, RT, nv premium bla bla bla )"
if it's go well its stays, if not it will drop a bit in price or will be replaced with a cut down higher tier die with a super/ti name.
Ada Lovelace is amazingly good and efficient, RDNA3 is a flop, nvidia used it to sell lower overclocked GPU at extreme prices.
why ? because they can.
well, I'm going to keep for a while the used 3090 I got for around 700$ last year, it's an EVGA as well. (even painted it white so it fits the build)
with a nice undervolt it draws around 300W on a full load. RT without upscaling is obviously a no-go in 1440p in any game, maybe RTAO is manageable. To be honest I did not expect that I'd need to use so much upscaling with this card in 1440p, but that's modern gaming I guess...
I wouldn't have liked this card if I bought it full price on release though.
I upgraded mine for 3080 10gb to 3090 for $570. Been happy with it and going to build an all new system with 5090.
I did the same upgrade path last Summer to get more VRAM for Stable Diffusion and other large language models. I'm definitely sticking with it for at least 2 more years just like you said.
pretty much the same deal here, except I got a FE, treating it well so it should last me a few years to come aswell ( not really wanting to have the "best' right away helps)
@zacthegamer6145 what is your budget for your 5090 build?
Interested to see the 5090, hope its a worthy upgrade over my 4080.
You know they won’t actually do anything to improve gaming performance. They only care about AI now because that is where all their money is now.
real, but who knows @@OctagonalSquare
Same here, but you're already upgrading? The 4080 hasn't been out for that long.
@@OctagonalSquareYou mean you hope it sucks 😂
@@OctagonalSquare Oh believe me, the 5090 WILL improve on performance.
I remember when the mid tier of the current gen would beat the previous gen highest end card.
But this happens with 4070 ti...
@@n.erdbeerwith the 4070 Super*
But the pricing of the current mid tier (the 4070, which does not beat the 3090 Ti) is 20% higher than it should be at launch (even accounting for inflation) and there's a huge gap between the 70 and 70 Ti tiers.
Not to mention the cut down bus and limited memory.
That said the 4070 Super launched at marginally higher price than what the 3070 and 2070 did (accounting for inflation. Yes, it launched at the same price I just said was 20% higher, but inflation has been so wild that 450 in 2020 has become 580 in 2024, while it was not much higher than 450 when the plain 70 launched) and there's a HUGE gap with the Ti (to the point that they had to slot in the Supers,.which is ridiculous) and then there's another gap between the very expensive 80 and 90. Oh well.
@@Anankin12 well, GPU price had less inflation than food/energy prices where I live, so I could care less tbh. A price increase sux but that's how it goes.
@@n.erdbeer as I said the 4070 Super is actually good, it is the 4070 that sucks (still does, costs like 5% less than the super while performing 10-20% less)
a lot more people would've been fine with the 40 series pricing if the whole product stack got 50% perf improvement gen over gen across the board
Yeah 4060 is trash
I’m gonna disagree with you on two fronts. I think raising the price as much as they did this time was actually insane. $800 for a 7 class? Really? $400 and $500 for both 60 classes? Insane
That said i also dont think a new gen has to hit the 50 percent threshold everytime. Sometimes 25-30 percent is really all you need. In that sense just keep it at the same price or lower prices. It makes sense. But as is now it makes zero sense and its a robbery for everything except the 4070 Super and weirdly the 4090. Mind you $1600 for a GPU is mental, but when its THAT much faster than every other GPU on the market what is there to keep it’s price in check? The 4080/super and 7900XTX are such poor alternatives for anybody at 4K with deep pockets that they just dont make any sense at all
that didn't happen because they had to sell the old rtx 3000 and rx 6000 stuff
wrong. rtx have been always ridiculously ovepriced
@@lifemocker85 RTX 2000 series was a rip...RTX 3000 was priced very well until the mining craze started and they used "shortages" as an excuse to jack up the prices while blaming scalpers.
Rtx 4000...already stated the reason I believe they were priced the way they are. RTX 5000 I believe won't be great, but better than RTX 4000. Hopefully significantly so for the midrange.
The problem is that you can't find the card for MSRP. The card where I live goes for above 2000-2400€
Instead, I managed to get myself a 4080s for only 1k€
Jawa is like the GameStop of used GPU’s. Apparently my 3080 12 EVGA FTW3 Ultra in excellent condition and original packaging is valued at only $287 before tax. What a ripoff.
GPUs was exciting when they were invented back in the 90s. Since then they been used as hype content for manufacturers and streamers. They are just a piece of hardware that I buy every now and then when I feel that part of my PC needs an upgrade. Currently I own a 6800 non-xt and I dont need to upgrade the next few years.
Now we have entered an era we games are mostly playable after a few years upon release.
The 3090 and 4090 were exciting products. That’s why I bought both of them. My 3090 Founders Edition is sitting on display in my bedroom now. Freakin things are beautiful.
Picked up a 3 month old XFX 7900 XTX for around 600$ for 1440P. Have been stoked with the performance thus far.
Its kind of crazy how demanding games have become graphically over the last couple years. I bought a 3090 a little over a year ago to run Cyberpunk maxed out and now most new games if they have RT I'm unable to have RT active if i want a consistent 60+ frames. Not having RT isnt a deal breaker for me but I'm curious to see if this trend will continue
I do not think RT should even be a selling point until it can be implemented in a way your FPS does not tank. yeah it looks real good on some games but other games i can not really tell it is on but I can sure see my FPS drop.
it will continue, otherwise you wound buy next gen card... this whole RT bs is just about that. It alluring. When I was unable to run Alan Wake with PT I felt like missing out. I enabled it ingame, saw some nicer image and was hard to return to raster. Than I managed to run in 60fps with PT using Lossless Scaling FG... and very soon, I realized, PT adds NOTHING to the experience. Absolutely nothing. I was not even able to see it, and tested turning it off etc...
So its just a placebo. If you cant have it, its a big deal, when u can have it, you dont care. At the end of the day, its BS and it only makes u buy these 1000 USD cards.
The 23 dislikes must be students you gave a C/D grade too
I'd say the RTX 4000 series are a massive improvement across the board:
The RTX 4060Ti is 2.6x faster than the RTX 3050
The RTX 4070Ti is 2.2x faster than the RTX 3060
The RTX 4080 Super is 2x faster than the RTX 3070
Oh yeah those are the proper 40 series successor to their respective 30 series predecessors, just look at the die sizes. Why were the cards and chips named poorly and priced poorly? Cuz you bought all the crap Nvidia has put out since the gtx 600 series. Yes all the way back to 2012.
True lol, people will realise so late that any gpu pre ada is a piece of junk. 4060 has 2x perf/ watt compared to 3060 without even enabling FG. 4060 enables budget gaming laptops to be cool on 85w tdp with close to rtx 2080ti performance and exceeding that with FG. None would expect that when 2080ti launched.
@@filippetrovic845 The 4060 is on a much better process node and on a much smaller die.
The 4060 is a 30/40 class GPU, the 3060 is about a 60 class GPU.
The 4070Ti is the real 60 class GPU.
Could you do this same test suite 3090 vs 4080, might be interesting to see how much perf you're giving up in heavy RT workloads for that extra VRAM. 🤔
shouldn't the correct comparison be 3090 ti vs 4090?
Upgraded from the RTX 3090 to the 4090, and it was well worth it. Better temps, better performance, better everything.
I know people always hate on the 4090 price, and for good reason tbh, but I went from the GOAT 1080ti to it and it has been probably the best purchase I have made since. I play at 1440p, so I won't have to worry about upgrading my GPU for at least another 5 years. Probably way longer thanks to DLSS/FSR frame gen advancements.
Yes damn that is a huge upgrade what are the rest of your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy 7800x3d, 32gb 6000mhz ram, and 2x Nextorage 2tb ssd.
Amazing the uplift you get when you have a fully unlocked die vs a binned 3080
Bought a 4090 over Xmas. And a 7800x3d very happy with my purchase. It's a beasty combo
I went with the same combo
Went from a 1080ti, to a 3080 (original), to a 4090. Great cards all.
Why'd you went from 3080?
@@iiWitcher cause he has money
Went straight to the 4090 from the 1080 Ti. A hell of an uplift.
@@iiWitcher Got it about a month ago. I play at 4k. Been watching for things to stabilize, but that does not seem to be the case for 40 or even 50 series. I am going to likely skip the 50 series. And again, I got the original 3080 with less ram, so the upgrade was worth it for me. Also, I give my son my old cards. He will enjoy the 3080 on his 1440 monitor.
@@Hexenkind1that's essentially what I'm looking for from my 2070 super. I just can't justify the price atm
Bought a used PNY XLR8 3090 for 420 euros. Half the price of a 4070 Super and less than a third of the price of a 4090. Cleaned it, undervolted it and it runs like a dream. For the price it was a no-brainer.
pc and frame latency are not taken into account during framegen fps and that severely deteriorates the gameplay experience rather than looking at pure fps count
I tried modded Frame Generation in Starfield. Gives me about 30 additional fps if not more to reach 144 and I can barely feel the input lag when playing on a low sensitivity. Mouse and keyboard of course.
@@johnderat2652 I think framegen has improved over time but I have turned it off while playing Forza 5 and enjoy the no compromise smooth experience with no strange artefacts from framegen. For high fps games I think framegen deteriotes from the action.
Play 1440p, don't turn on RT and use DLSS Quality, trust me every game will hit 60+ FPS on the market
I maintain the 3090 and 4090 are "pro-sumer" class cards and they're a good deal when compared to rendering cards that are like $4000+.
Until now there's been no option between the 8-10GB of vram gaming GPU, and the 48GB of vram rendering GPU thats also worse at gaming.
Glad I bought the RTX 4090 when it came out.
Bought the FE version, no regrets 😊
Same. And I probably won't upgrade for years, at least not for my gaming PC. :)
@@acidcrow4051 Same here!
Yup me too.
Same!
Lucky those who only got. 100-200$ markup on the release aib 4090. Now its going a premium of 300$ because "inflation" yet those are open box/returns or old sealed stocks. I'm not concerned for 5080 or new titans if the new one costs 2x a platform upgrade. Amd will either give us another 5700xt era where they downscale but nvidia is walling their best cards for ai so they'll only make gddr7 for the top class cards.
For those on a 3090 like I am, mod in FSR3, it just works... Boosted my fps in cp2077 from 60-70fps to 90-120fps (Pathtracing on/1080)
At 4K DLSS quality with FSR3 fg I get around 50-60fps with path tracing and all other settings maxed out; they are still very capable cards.
Who plays on 1080p with a 3090 lol
running fsr 1080p damn that's so ugly....
@@danielkissgremsperger3242 everyone who uses Dlss ...... ups sorry i didnt want to shout facts.
But yes the reason it works is jkust for nvidia to sell 40 series cards. They are activly blocking amd from putting in fsr3 cause that would also benefit 30 series usern and those should pay up...Fomo at its peak.
😂😂😂😂 straight dad type stuff...." You probably hear my kids stomping around upstairs cause that's how we roll on this channel" 😂😂😂 💀💀💀💀💀
8k gaming,16k gaming was marketed back then finally 4090 can do 4K maxed 60fps and a good 4k high refresh gaming in 2024
Great stuff bro. Love content like this.
Cyberpunk 2077 4K without DLSS comparison is missing🤔
I always love that your Kids a having the Time of theirs lives upstairs :D
i have a 3090 and play 1440p but i still dont use ray tracing, ray tracing doesnt look any better for me to justify turning it on
I'd be lying if i said the really heavy titles look good enough to require that amount of performance drain on the cards... wish companies would spend more time optimizing. Instead of racing for 60fps still, we should be aiming for 144 or more with technologies we already have out there.
Can't wait for the 5090. I'm running out of things to upgrade for my PC: my 4090 has been through two generations of CPU/MB and Monitor upgrades: 12900k/Z690 to 7950X3D/X670 and Samsung Neo G9 47" to Neo G9 57". The 47" screen is now a secondary monitor.
I can't make my PC any faster so I upgraded my 2 Mesh routers from 2 Asus AXE16000 to 2 Asus GT-BE98 Pro connected to multiple 10 Gbe switches. Also built a new server at home with 120 TB 10Gbe connection.
My 4090 cannot push max settings for new games with my new monitor at 7680x2160. Also it does not support the newest Display port generation because my 57" Neo G9 can only get 120hz instead of the stock 240hz.
Hi Daniel, as always I am enjoying your videos. How well do you personally see the new battlemage gpus sitting, and do you think it is worth waiting for them to release? I have 700 dollars to readily spend but am unsure if I should wait for new completion to change the market.
For 700$ you can get a 7900XT. I don't think any Battlemage GPU will reach this level of performance yet.
As the other commenter said I don't think Battlemage will compete at that price point. I'm more interested in what AMD has up their sleeve with the upcoming AI-based upscaling release, and if Radeon 8000 series will be significantly better at taking advantage of it than 7000 series (more AI cores or architectural advantage). Both of these generations of GPUs should come out in the second half of this year
jewtel is going to suk like always
Path tracing is amazing tech. First time lighting in games feels real. I hope it’s the future but we all would need amazing computers for it to truly matter.
The 40 series is faster than the 30 series.
4090 is 70+% faster than the 3090
4080 is 80% faster than the 3070
4070 is 80% faster than the 3060
4060Ti is 80% faster than the 3050
They gaslit us into thinking it's a shitty generation.
I payed $2500 for A 4090 to replace a 3090 for AI programmer who's time was worth $300 per hour. It more than payed for itself. The 3090 is now working 24/7 on other tasks.
What do you mean? GPUs have always been exciting. Example A: 7900 XT I bought one at launch...
Got to say, I went from a Gtx 1060 3gb to a RX 6800, that has been quite exciting. However, pre gen pc components excited me more that the newest stuff because of price and seeing all the instability of DDR5 ram every week by working with customer service in tech. I lived with a i7 3770, DDR3 and a GTX 1060 for 8 years.
So I sure can have these for 8 years too:
Ryzen 9 5900x
32gb DDR4 3600Mhz
RX 6800 16gb vram
And a ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II,
wasn't really gonna go Asus this time. But in the pricerange I got as an employee. There wasn't really any other motherboard in stock that could compare. All of it has been flawless so far. Even undervolted my Ryzen 9. The more cool and stable the pc is, the better. And it is mostly under 75 degrees.
Daniel, may I ask why Nvidia benchmarks always show GPU temp but no GPU Hotspot temp?
Makes them look worse so they don't, people in comments like to say it's the actual temp on amd cards that use it
@@dnice42 You are living in delusion, Nvidia cards usually have 10-12 delta, while AMD 17-20. So if AMD Gpu temp is 60 Hotspot ~ 80. Nvidia 60 Hotspot 70~ .
@darkfire3691 the Hotspot has to deal with cooler design, mounting pressure, and thermal interface. I got the hot spot on my 6800xt to 7 to 10 degree difference with a paste and washer mod from 15
It is possible to sell GPU through JAWA from another country? Cause I'm from Brazil and here the prices are insane, and to help, the government just put a import tax of 98% (yes, ninety-eight percent) so is not only impossible to Import but the local prices raised a lot 😢
That's sad... i feel you bro
@@кадзимагений-э2э my RX 6800 XT just crashed 😭, had to buy a 4070 (normal one) for $700, a used one ... But it's impossible to convert currency cause for us is 3500 reais (our currency) this is 2 times my apartment rent... The minimum wage in Brazil is 1412 reais.. So, for some one that earn that, he needs at least 3 month without spending anything to buy a used 4070... We are number 14º in tax ranking in the world, so... It's really hard to explain how absurd this country is when it comes to prices of electronics, cars, houses... And of course, corruption... In 180 countries, we are the 104 most corrupt country in the world... What more can I say
@@rodrigofleischfresser1458 wonder where the tax money end up...
@@кадзимагений-э2э Pocket of our dear president who was in jail for stealing more than any other group in a republic from the people in the history
The only reason the 4090 looks good is because the 3090 itself was absolutely terrible value , you'd be getting 15% better performance on avergae than a 3080 for double the price , it was more useful for professional workloads but for gaming it was not very good
The GPU market has never been this bad ever.
The first and second crypto booms were worse.
Pd: WAY worse
Brother in 2018-2019 a used GTX 1070 was between $600-$900 dude, during 2021-2022 the 3080 was reselling for $2000. RELAX. You can get more rasterization per dollar on the used market than ever before and Intel is literally bringing budget GPUs back, I’d argue this is one of the best times ever for beginners to build budget rigs.
u must be joking right? this is best era of gpus in 5 6 years.... during covid era 3090 costed 2000-3000 euros, even mid and low gpus were extinct or costed 500+, now you can get rx6800 or xt version for 400 or even 350 thats 16gb vram gpu that runs 4k most games and with fsr all games except alan wake and last of us. or get 550 euros worth 7900 GRE that run all games at 4k no issues, lower end gpus cost 250 300 now...
used GPU market booming used 3080s are top card to Target
Avatar "unobtainium" settings, please ...
I'm glad Daniel uses high end gaming components for his videos. Such as CURRENT gen CPU, sweet spot RAM, and a freaking m.2 NVMe SSD. Most of the big YTers are not doing a mix of these components. I don't think it would affect performance, but I would like to see a power supply that uses the 2x6-12V native cable, not an adapter.
You can get a 4070 ti Super for 800.00 and it outperforms a 3090.
I bought a 4070 ti super on ebay and it was lost in the mail....800 out the door.
Rip bro@@KJV0812
RTX 3090 leans heavily into being a consumer productivity card though. I have an rtx 3090 for work and push +20GB loads most of the time. Gaming it might hit 11-12GB of VRAM but I usually have some tasks running in the background that averages 8-12GB VRAM also.
Low productivity mixed with gaming though, yeah a 4070ti super beats the 3090 in every way.
@@KJV0812 Damn that sucks
Second hand 3090s are much cheaper than 800 atm. These two cards are not competitors
Looks like 5090 will finally be the run RT no matter what card. Only took 4 generations
3090 was a good buy used $700-900 - it's the same price today as it was when I got it a year ago.
It's still a smart buy because it's holding value so much better than any other GPU. Many people want high VRAM NVIDIA for AI.
I'll resell for $500-600 (Strix 480W!) in a year for the 5090 and only have paid $200-300 to enjoy it for 2-3 years.
since I am busy renovating my house I am gonna wait for RTX 5000 refresh or a new RTX 6000. The RTX 3080 does it for me with water cooling. But I would be excited for an upgrade after 4-5 years.
For the right price I still think a 3090 would please most people
They used to be great used deals before the whole AI boom. At one point you could pick them up for $600-$700 which is an incredible deal considering it still has performance comparable to a 4070Ti whilst also having double the VRAM and more memory bandwidth.
Can’t really justify the price of the gpu in my country. It’s about 2.1k€ for the cheapest model, either new or used, they are at almost the same price. This sucks as I started working with AI and a 4090 would be nice for both gaming and AI
A lot of people talk about the 40 Series with a lot of negativity, but my personal experience with a 4070 has been nothing but overwhelmingly positive. Though to be fair, I upgraded to a 4070 from a 1660 Ti. So the leap in performance and power was absolutely massive. Also, features newly available to me since buying a 4070 are very impressive to me (DLSS upscaling, frame generation, ray tracing, etc). So I admit my personal opinion might be biased and influenced by the "wow" factor of such a huge upgrade.
The experience you're having from your 4070 was supposed to be given at a 4060 level. The issue isn't with the cards, the performance uplift was great and the features were a large bonus over that. The issue is that every card got labeled as one tier higher than it should be, and then got a MSRP increase over that as well.
Your view is clearly biased…
@@Someonecalledluiz 100% true
does it really cost 1600 where is the proof I see 2000 and more
I like how you roll on this channel! Keep up the excellent work.
Dude, this is just a 4090 ad. The value of the 3090 was atrocious. Why do you think nVidia sent him a 3090 FE for this ad? In 5 months both nVidia and AMD will announce their new generations GPU’s. Buying a 4090 now is a really bad investment unless you really need it.
@@nekron75 It's NVIDIA, not "nVidia"...
alan sweet baby saga inc woke 2
Sad the route they went on that game. It had great bones, but the unnecessary identity politics they threw into it created a cloud on the game and Remedy as a whole.
imagine if the 4090 had 1080ti pricing lol
Who plays with RT on to be honest it ruins the image quality for lighting effects I’d rather have high detail than the lighting
Remember when you bought a graphics card with raw performance that could just push higher resolution, with higher game settings (Textures, shadows, etc), with higher frames without all the trickery of frame generation, DLSS, FSR etc? I feel like we're kind getting ripped off anymore.
I bought my 4070 for ~450 USD May 2023 and I'm thinking on finally jumping to 4K. Last Black Friday I found a new 4090 for $1300 USD (Zotac Airo AMP Extreme, dunno how good that is).
If I can find that model for about the same price, should I pull the trigger or wait for the 5090?
I would buy the 4090 fir that price because we don't know when the 5000 series will release and if you need the extra power then you can sell the 4090 and upgrade to the 5090.
@@MrAnimescrazy Yeah, I was thinking the same. Just sold my 4070 for a bit more than what I paid for.
@user-xz9uj9jo4h hurry up and get the 4090 lol. If you do welcome to the 4090 club ha and what are the rest of your specs? Are you going to upgrade other parts of your pc?
@@MrAnimescrazy I'm using a 5800X3D, but hopefully I can sell within the next couple of weeks. Still deciding between a 7800X3D or a 14700K (for both work and gaming). Leaning towards Intel.
@user-xz9uj9jo4h yes if you are going to be doing work and gaming go with intel unless if you are Satified with the performance of the 7800x3d when it comes to productivity.
How I can be excited when these cards are like 3 times too expensive for me to even consider lol.
Went from a 1060 to a 580 to a 3060 ti to a 4070. Idk when I'll upgrade again but haven't really been keeping up with GPUs as of late since I'm very happy with my 4070 and I don't play a shit ton of graphically demanding games. I'm happy to say that JRPGs don't require you to have a stupid powerful system and I'm very happy about that.
If you still play at 1080p and stay away from triple A games you’re perfectly fine.
@@ZackSNetwork I play in 1440p, but still 4070 more than capable of playing my jrpgs and competitive shooters at high fps.
4070 is a great gpu. dont listen to poor amd fanboys.
@@filippetrovic845 Heck no i don't listen to them. Also I didn't understand the person that said "If you play at 1080p and stay away from Triple A titles". Because I play at 1440p, and when I actually tried playing at 1080p, there was a huge bottleneck and performance dropped, but when I went back to 1440p, great performance and high fps. Also I tried a couple of Triple A titles with this card that I have paired with a 13600kf and 32gb of ddr5 ram, and it worked just fine. This card really is great.
Where are the HELLDIVERS 2 benchies
Now 3090 is only worth $699 or less. so 4090 is still overpriced. The lowest price you can buy is $1799.
"Not my usual video..." but seeing generational improvement jumps is useful in plenty of ways other than "which do I buy?"
This is why I play on low end cards. This comparisson makes my 3060 look not half bad when the 3090 is running on very demanding conditions with quite poor results. The thing is that they sell their xx90 series as ultimate cards that are too good even for gaming, then the lie unveils and it's not just that the card underpeforms for its price as soon as a new technology is implemented, but that this can even affect the mental of buyers who spent thousands on a card whose value inmensely drops after just a few years.
Next card will be a RTX 6060 or a RTX 6070 (or ti / super variants) and I already know it's going to be a good deal.
4k gaming is so overrated and completely pointless unless you can afford a monster card that is 4090. You will experience the biggest visual difference by going from 1080p to 1440p. Going from 1440p which is a perfect sweet spot to 2140p doesn't make enough difference to justify the fps drop and I'll take higher fps any day. We're just not at the point yet where 4k gaming is reasonable with consumer cards
So if the 4090 is 1.65 times faster than the 3090 and a 4090 is $1500 getting a $3090 for $500 used is kind of a bargain
Wow even the 4090 struggles at native 4K in all of these games without any ray tracing or upscaling, and that point I'd play at 1440p on both GPUs. 4K is no joke and the 4090 is already nearly a 2 year old GPU , the 5090 is what I am saving up for and it'll be really worth it in my opinion so there you have it, gaming is extremely intensive yet disappointing unfortunately 😑
It is not disappointing just play at high settings with or without raytracing and use an upscaler if you need. Don't buy unreal 5 games
You can thank data science. Product mgrs collect mass consumer data and pump it through various ML models to refine what we'll barely tolerate at the highes prices. Its a literal science.
there is a vid on youtube of someone playing a game using DLSS and AMD Frame generation together and it was massively better than the DLSS Frame generation
Who is in his right mind buying a used gpu for 1000$
Dont use 1080p this days only for very low end gpu like 3050 and slower because even on a 1080p sreen 1440p dlss qulity looks better and runs a bit better or the same as 1080 native and yeah it looks better even on a 1080p sreen with dsr in the controll center or coustom 1440p res on your 1080p sreen
Yeah, i really would like to see a 3090 doing all that with the fsr3 mod. I bet it would be super playable most games at max graphics.
It's not the modern hardware. It's the incompetent devs doing an horrid job at optimizing their games.
WTF did i read 410 Watts? My Eyes bleeding
The 4070 Ti was expected to be the 4080, but AMD's release of the 6950 disrupted those plans. Traditionally, Ti models have been targeting users of 2K/4K. It is interesting to note, despite negative sentiments to both manufacturers, particularly NVidia, a 4060 Ti was released. However, 4060 Ti's raw specifications were inferior to what people were expecting to be similar to the 4070, which led to ridicule for NVidia. Very interesting point is the 4060 and Ti versions, both have the same software additives, which provide these synthetic results.