Did a stint in Sennelager in the early '70's. Paderborn is a truly lovely little city. Many fond memories of there, Bielefeld, Munster, Wildenrath, Krefeld and Berlin. Thank you Germany for allowing me to experience your country for the 7 years I spent there. Ich bin dankbar!
Back in Germany and training for war in the same vehicles that I remember from 20 years and more ago. It really is time that we Brits modernised our battle-winning equipment. Even well-trained and motivated people have their limitations.
Exactly and without the West aiding the Ukraine they would have been taken by now . Need more modren equipment from tanks to long range missiles and short range missiles as well as Artillery long range and also Air force needs made stronger also . Navy not so bad but is nothing to what it was way back in the 40s when Britain had bigger and better forces whose to blame ? I blame Thatcher for all the cuts in the forces .
@InvadeUSA And we saved you in WW2. After which we took the waves from your rule. Also. Without USA intelligence you wouldn't have won the Falklands. Which you did narrowly anyway. Against freezing conscripts. You are now just American puppet state. Heel poodle.
@@grahambiggs2017 You inbred yanks just hate seeing other countries doing world beating tasks, especially when that country is the UK. The Challenger 2 has proven to be the top tank in this war and you're just jealous it isn't the US that's leading.
To think 6 years and untold millions closing all our bases in Germany only to find a few years later we have to go back. Does anyone at a senior level in politics or the armed forces do any serious long term planning?
@@IwasBraveFor2WholeSeconds I know, we used to do the same during the Cold War, the difference was 50000 troops were there permanently in 1 BR Corps of BAOR.
No they don't . Forces are an easy target for cuts when the tree huggers and liberals demand savings and money for woke pish. Virtually everyone I served with back then said the same thing in 10 -20 yrs we will be trying to rebuild BAOR/BFG !!
I can forgive and understand the reasons then. What is unforgivable right now is the UK total lacklustre and frankly willfully ignorant defence posture. It's practically reality denying in its current stance like a sheer refusal to accept the world is more dangerous and respond. The ostrich approach.
I used to live in Bergen Hohne as a kid. Went back there recently. There are still a lot of empty quarters around Danziger and Seymour Strasse. Quite eerie.
US does no longer considers UK a credible fighting force (1) The armed forces would run out of ammunition "in a few days" if called upon to fight (2) The UK lacks the ability to defend its skies against the level of missile and drone strikes that Ukraine is enduring (3) It would take five to 10 years for the army to be able to field a war-fighting division of some 25,000 to 30,000 troops backed by tanks, artillery and helicopters (4) Some 30% of UK forces on high readiness are reservists who are unable to mobilise within NATO timelines - "so we'd turn up under strength" (5) The majority of the army's fleet of armoured vehicles, including tanks, was built between 30 to 60 years ago and full replacements are not due for years. You are once again LIONS LED BY DONKEYS. You need to restructure and rebuild and you need to do it now. Ask why your General Staff have been so inept for so long - that they have left Armed Forces in a near catastrophic state. Consider this UA has had around 200k casualties in conflict with RU in a little over a year.
It will take at least 10 years for the Russians to become a credible fighting force, so we dodged a bullet there. let's hope that Europe gets its act together and does what's needed this time around.
@@eddgar-ce3md They are replacing commanders in the field and at higher level, as per WWII they will find their Zhukov and Rokossovsky - they will have learned the lessons required to fight a peer to peer war. Moreover, if China bank rolls them - big problem.
I'm looking forward to seeing reports of UK units training in Finland and Sweden in joint operations in the coming years. Far from being a dying alliance, NATO is rapidly shaking off the cobwebs and massively increasing its operational capabilities.
@@corvinius4609 Sources? You mean the fact that Finland has already joined NATO and Sweden soon will. Or NATO nations like Germany have vastly increased their defense spending. After Russia invaded Ukraine, Germany doubled its defense budget and is now third in the world ahead of Russia. Poland is vastly increasing the size and capabilities of its forces, its 1,000 K2PLs supported by almost 700 K9 Thunders alone will be a massive asset for NATO. NATO defense budgets are rising and NATO is becoming far more proactive. As with this training operation of forward deployment of British forces to Germany and other NATO nation deploying battlegroups to threat areas. Like the Baltic states.
The British Forces should never be underestimated. The British Airforce is surely top, the British Navy is also on a high level, and also the British Army has a high fighting spirit and good equipment (but not enough of it). I was in the German Bundeswehr in the 90s, and to me it was a gigantic stupidity (or Schröder and Merkel were KGB sleepers) that Germany reduced it´s forces so heavily during last 30 years. Germany should have at least 800 Leo2 and 2000 light tanks and a manpower of 250tsd plus, also in peace time. And mainly the German Airforce and the air defence is much too weak. In 2014 Germany should have also bought the 2 French carriers, which were produced for Russia but not delivered - I always had this opinion, but we have too many "Russians" in Germany (all EastGermany is still mentally part of Russian empire), which are a big burden for this country.
Good but 1 battlegroup is small in the overall scheme of things. That is the problem with the British Army. It is too small. It can't field more than 1 to 2 Brigades. It will be lucky to get to grips with the Russian Army who will destroy it from stand off positions.
Can we be realistic and highlight just how weak our 'firepower' is in 2023? Eroded from without by massive cuts in capability. The cancer of wokism from within. The UK is reduced to tokenism and posturing, gone are the days of Wellington, Nelson, Churchill, Montgomery.
"Churchill". You mean the dunce who predicted that India won't survive as a nation state whereas Pakistan will grow to be powerful? Lmao, give me a break.
The 232 series diesel engine seen at 3:27 is, ironically, Russian-built, formerly operated by the East German Reichsbahn (meaning up to 1990). I had no idea they were still in service.
Does UK even have any tanks? I heard years ago they were getting rid of them. I did hear the number though. The UK might have the best tank, but no one is afraid of 200 of them. Now free healthcare is being carefully allocated. As we are finding out in America from our leftist socialist. Yesterday I paid $17 for a burrito and drink at Chipotle. A national minimum wage was meant to kill the South. In some places fast food workers make what licensed electricians make. But for now, at least we have more than a handful of tanks and ships. The mighty UK has fallen.
No the UK is not getting rid of its tanks, its upgrading 148 of its current 230~ tanks, though hopefully that number will increase due to Russian aggression. The US Marine Corps has removed its tanks though to make it a slimmed down more specialist and less heavy force.
Still using Warriors I see... Interesting that such a useful AFV is still in Operation despite wanting to scrap them all years ago and terminating the upgrade program for them giving them enhanced fighting capability. Where exactly is AJAX?
They had a prototype upgraded warrior which lockheed Martin had developed and tested which included a new Turret and gun and improved armour . Their factory at Amptill had been upgraded to do the work then the government changed it's mind and scrapped the program and went for the US Ajax .
What happened to Scorpion and Swingfire? Fast, light, massively expensive engines, ATGM and a Rarden Cannon. Never saw combat go the best of my knowledge. Must be hundreds laid up.
@@isickofit A lot of the CVR(T) family of vehicles are in private ownership now. Ajax was supposed to be the all singing/dancing replacement family of vehicles but it's become an almighty s... show.
Fantastic that they’re back in Germany supporting allies and showing solidarity with our ‘not so far away’ neighbours. But oh dear, that kit looks pretty ancient and not at all cutting edge, with an exception, here & there. 😔 I do hope the kit that needs to be issued to not put lives at unnecessary risk (Iraq & Afghan are not distant memories of how we didn’t act quick enough. This is a different ball game, with a far greater potential for large scale casualties than recent conflicts. We gotta get away from towed artillery for a start, now, surely?
Yes. It gives a whole new point to what we did in BAOR all those years ago. What a pity we threw it all away and all the support services that went with it. Where are the medical services, stores and maintenance that we relied on then. It’s no use saying we can have NHS doctors and facilities a) you have to get people there and b) you have to have them. I think the support for the forces is a shambles on what was available in the seventies and it was starting to slide down the slope then. For the war we are now building up to we need more personnel, viable equipment and adequate ammunition but one has the strong opinion much of the money has been spun off to politically organised accounts as covid has clearly shown us exist. Shame on politicians of all parties who will let our bleed so they can profit!
We Brits probably have the best trained military in the world but we need to invest in quality with quantity. We were once a globally operational fighting force like the US. Times have changed and we need to change to put us back up there with the best because more often than not, as shown in two world wars and with Ukraine, we are the first to stand against threats to us and our neighbours.
We just haven’t enough men ! …….you lose men in war …..and you can’t pick them off the shelf ….attrition rate as shown in Ukraine is high…..we’d be broken after 4-5 weeks
Adding armour to the hatches would possibly make them too heavy to open and close quickly and easily.The incident I think you are referring to would have happened anyway as the hatches on the struck tank were open.
Unbelieveable , we were in Germany fo rover 60 yrs with the infrastructure and support all in place. Now thanks to Westminster/MOD short sightedness and complete lack of awareness we now have to spend £millions shifting kit and manpower back and forward !! Totall stupidity !!
So you would suggest keeping 100.000 men ready to fight? Are you willing to pay the accompanying tax rise of 20 % ? With production of a few thousand tanks? Or would you defund the health services even more? And are you one of the volunteers?
@@willy_wombatthe NHS must end it’s totally and utterly outlived it’s usefulness it is now a complete money bin. Spend half on the army and the other half on preparing good health insurance schemes
If they do, people will realize that the invincible Chally 2 doesn't even have blow off panels despite having a paper thin lower front glacis (as proven in Iraq).
Even if it will take a long time: I believe that one day there will be a United States of Europe and a common European army, we can now see where egoism and narrow-mindedness lead, that the old spirits of imperialism want to rule the world again and that gunboat politics are being practiced again! It was all there! Resist and drive the Villains back!
Challenger 2 is the biggest disaster of brittish tank builders. If you use google translate and read ukrainian battle reports and feedback's from elite forces like Azov, then you will see that ukrainians are in panic from Challenger 2, they are highly unreliable tanks constantly braking down and simply lacking motor power. Tank is good for deserts and paved roads but it is too weak for ukrainian terrain. That is why ukrainians are using leopards, mraps and every single battle machine there is, except challenger!
@@tp_timtam863that’s only because they’ve not been committed to battle yet. Chally 2 is good, but it’s not any better than any other MBT when faced with hi tech anti tank weapons.
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Did a stint in Sennelager in the early '70's. Paderborn is a truly lovely little city. Many fond memories of there, Bielefeld, Munster, Wildenrath, Krefeld and Berlin. Thank you Germany for allowing me to experience your country for the 7 years I spent there. Ich bin dankbar!
you and your comrades are wellcome.
happy to host and train with our allies and brothers in arms !
"Krefeld" Grew up there.
@@Vatnik_tschistilka And now you troll?
Once enemies now we stand united against the red terror
Amazing to see the smallest British Army training and being asked to be all around Europe
All that's missing is Wolfgang's Bratty Wagon 😄
Oh the Bratty I miss them
Spent some good times in Hohne.
Back in Germany and training for war in the same vehicles that I remember from 20 years and more ago. It really is time that we Brits modernised our battle-winning equipment. Even well-trained and motivated people have their limitations.
But why? Your tank that has never seen battle has never been defeated and is "unpenetrable"
Exactly and without the West aiding the Ukraine they would have been taken by now . Need more modren equipment from tanks to long range missiles and short range missiles as well as Artillery long range and also Air force needs made stronger also . Navy not so bad but is nothing to what it was way back in the 40s when Britain had bigger and better forces whose to blame ? I blame Thatcher for all the cuts in the forces .
3 things you can be assured of in life.
1. Death
2. Taxed
3. The British army is always somewhere doing something.
love your black humor. Carry on.
@@InvadeUSAThere's the one that kicked your ass at New Orleans. 🤔
@InvadeUSA And we saved you in WW2. After which we took the waves from your rule. Also. Without USA intelligence you wouldn't have won the Falklands. Which you did narrowly anyway. Against freezing conscripts. You are now just American puppet state. Heel poodle.
@@grahambiggs2017 Jealous.
@@grahambiggs2017 You inbred yanks just hate seeing other countries doing world beating tasks, especially when that country is the UK. The Challenger 2 has proven to be the top tank in this war and you're just jealous it isn't the US that's leading.
Thats it... that is the entire British Army
Amazed to see they are still using the 105 mm light gun .
I was using them in the 70s! A good tool though.
13 Martinique Light Battery.
And FV 432's
The dyeing, flickering embers of a once mighty Army.
We need a good gust of wind to reignite the flames that gust is a good 100 billion quid annually
Same happens with US ... jee, if all our armys desolve for sake of wokeness China as an easy game ... heck without an army even weak RU would have.
Great to see them back in Bergen, fond memories of watching our guys in and around Bergen and Celle as a child and centurians moving around!
To think 6 years and untold millions closing all our bases in Germany only to find a few years later we have to go back. Does anyone at a senior level in politics or the armed forces do any serious long term planning?
@@IwasBraveFor2WholeSeconds I know, we used to do the same during the Cold War, the difference was 50000 troops were there permanently in 1 BR Corps of BAOR.
No they don't . Forces are an easy target for cuts when the tree huggers and liberals demand savings and money for woke pish. Virtually everyone I served with back then said the same thing in 10 -20 yrs we will be trying to rebuild BAOR/BFG !!
I like this channel because I can practice my english.
The draw down of forces in Germany in the 90’s/2000’s doesn’t seem like such a good idea now does it?
I can forgive and understand the reasons then. What is unforgivable right now is the UK total lacklustre and frankly willfully ignorant defence posture. It's practically reality denying in its current stance like a sheer refusal to accept the world is more dangerous and respond. The ostrich approach.
Hindsight is easier than foresight, Schlaumeier (smart arse)!
eh no
we dont want you here
we want nato troops as partners not ocupation troops in redicouless numbers
@@tavish4699go home, you are drunk. Lol
@@NormanTheDormantDoormat go home you are are noot supossed to be on the continent
BAOR was 55,000 back in the late 70's!!!!
With the TA and regular reservists (over 100,000 strong) to be brought into BAOR as reinforcements.
Seems almost impossible to imagine now.
How sad that it takes an Exercise for the RE Tpr Cmdr to get to know their soldiers
Imagine if we had some kind of permanent presence out there. Maybe units could alternate, on 2-year rotations. How cool would that be??...
You mean like we did from 1945 until the late 90s early 2000s?
I served 4 years in Germany (92-96) and loved it.
I see what you did there 😂
I used to live in Bergen Hohne as a kid. Went back there recently. There are still a lot of empty quarters around Danziger and Seymour Strasse. Quite eerie.
US does no longer considers UK a credible fighting force (1) The armed forces would run out of ammunition "in a few days" if called upon to fight (2) The UK lacks the ability to defend its skies against the level of missile and drone strikes that Ukraine is enduring (3) It would take five to 10 years for the army to be able to field a war-fighting division of some 25,000 to 30,000 troops backed by tanks, artillery and helicopters (4) Some 30% of UK forces on high readiness are reservists who are unable to mobilise within NATO timelines - "so we'd turn up under strength" (5) The majority of the army's fleet of armoured vehicles, including tanks, was built between 30 to 60 years ago and full replacements are not due for years. You are once again LIONS LED BY DONKEYS. You need to restructure and rebuild and you need to do it now. Ask why your General Staff have been so inept for so long - that they have left Armed Forces in a near catastrophic state. Consider this UA has had around 200k casualties in conflict with RU in a little over a year.
The USA lost every war it was in. The UK had Vietnam under control untill the yanks took over. The rest is history
It will take at least 10 years for the Russians to become a credible fighting force, so we dodged a bullet there. let's hope that Europe gets its act together and does what's needed this time around.
@@eddgar-ce3md They are replacing commanders in the field and at higher level, as per WWII they will find their Zhukov and Rokossovsky - they will have learned the lessons required to fight a peer to peer war. Moreover, if China bank rolls them - big problem.
Anyway....the many bands in the British Army are the best...
@@daftvader4218 Best "Bands and Busbys" all stars.
I'm looking forward to seeing reports of UK units training in Finland and Sweden in joint operations in the coming years. Far from being a dying alliance, NATO is rapidly shaking off the cobwebs and massively increasing its operational capabilities.
That sounds amazing. Do you have a source for this?
@@corvinius4609 Sources?
You mean the fact that Finland has already joined NATO and Sweden soon will. Or NATO nations like Germany have vastly increased their defense spending. After Russia invaded Ukraine, Germany doubled its defense budget and is now third in the world ahead of Russia.
Poland is vastly increasing the size and capabilities of its forces, its 1,000 K2PLs supported by almost 700 K9 Thunders alone will be a massive asset for NATO.
NATO defense budgets are rising and NATO is becoming far more proactive. As with this training operation of forward deployment of British forces to Germany and other NATO nation deploying battlegroups to threat areas. Like the Baltic states.
Get the BAOR back please.
The British Forces should never be underestimated. The British Airforce is surely top, the British Navy is also on a high level, and also the British Army has a high fighting spirit and good equipment (but not enough of it).
I was in the German Bundeswehr in the 90s, and to me it was a gigantic stupidity (or Schröder and Merkel were KGB sleepers) that Germany reduced it´s forces so heavily during last 30 years.
Germany should have at least 800 Leo2 and 2000 light tanks and a manpower of 250tsd plus, also in peace time. And mainly the German Airforce and the air defence is much too weak.
In 2014 Germany should have also bought the 2 French carriers, which were produced for Russia but not delivered - I always had this opinion, but we have too many "Russians" in Germany (all EastGermany is still mentally part of Russian empire), which are a big burden for this country.
Germany, France & UK. This is already too much for Putin.
Good but 1 battlegroup is small in the overall scheme of things. That is the problem with the British Army. It is too small. It can't field more than 1 to 2 Brigades. It will be lucky to get to grips with the Russian Army who will destroy it from stand off positions.
Can we be realistic and highlight just how weak our 'firepower' is in 2023?
Eroded from without by massive cuts in capability.
The cancer of wokism from within.
The UK is reduced to tokenism and posturing, gone are the days of Wellington, Nelson, Churchill, Montgomery.
Unfortunately uk is now a benefits welfare army , crazy
"Churchill". You mean the dunce who predicted that India won't survive as a nation state whereas Pakistan will grow to be powerful? Lmao, give me a break.
The 232 series diesel engine seen at 3:27 is, ironically, Russian-built, formerly operated by the East German Reichsbahn (meaning up to 1990). I had no idea they were still in service.
Does UK even have any tanks? I heard years ago they were getting rid of them. I did hear the number though. The UK might have the best tank, but no one is afraid of 200 of them. Now free healthcare is being carefully allocated. As we are finding out in America from our leftist socialist. Yesterday I paid $17 for a burrito and drink at Chipotle. A national minimum wage was meant to kill the South. In some places fast food workers make what licensed electricians make. But for now, at least we have more than a handful of tanks and ships. The mighty UK has fallen.
Stop with the jealousy, mate.
Careful, your dumb is showing….
No the UK is not getting rid of its tanks, its upgrading 148 of its current 230~ tanks, though hopefully that number will increase due to Russian aggression. The US Marine Corps has removed its tanks though to make it a slimmed down more specialist and less heavy force.
"UK might have the best tanks" No. They don't. Let us see what changes with Chally 3.
@@death_paradeit’s shaping up to be a tasty piece of kit .. all one of it 😅
You're behind the curve British Army
Still using Warriors I see... Interesting that such a useful AFV is still in Operation despite wanting to scrap them all years ago and terminating the upgrade program for them giving them enhanced fighting capability. Where exactly is AJAX?
Still in the factory 😂 should have binned it off and procured CV90
They had a prototype upgraded warrior which lockheed Martin had developed and tested which included a new Turret and gun and improved armour .
Their factory at Amptill had been upgraded to do the work then the government changed it's mind and scrapped the program and went for the US Ajax .
What happened to Scorpion and Swingfire?
Fast, light, massively expensive engines, ATGM and a Rarden Cannon. Never saw combat go the best of my knowledge. Must be hundreds laid up.
@@davidchampkin5999 Yep, money talks..........
@@isickofit A lot of the CVR(T) family of vehicles are in private ownership now. Ajax was supposed to be the all singing/dancing replacement family of vehicles but it's become an almighty s... show.
Fantastic that they’re back in Germany supporting allies and showing solidarity with our ‘not so far away’ neighbours. But oh dear, that kit looks pretty ancient and not at all cutting edge, with an exception, here & there. 😔
I do hope the kit that needs to be issued to not put lives at unnecessary risk (Iraq & Afghan are not distant memories of how we didn’t act quick enough. This is a different ball game, with a far greater potential for large scale casualties than recent conflicts. We gotta get away from towed artillery for a start, now, surely?
Yes. It gives a whole new point to what we did in BAOR all those years ago. What a pity we threw it all away and all the support services that went with it. Where are the medical services, stores and maintenance that we relied on then. It’s no use saying we can have NHS doctors and facilities a) you have to get people there and b) you have to have them. I think the support for the forces is a shambles on what was available in the seventies and it was starting to slide down the slope then. For the war we are now building up to we need more personnel, viable equipment and adequate ammunition but one has the strong opinion much of the money has been spun off to politically organised accounts as covid has clearly shown us exist. Shame on politicians of all parties who will let our bleed so they can profit!
Spent 4 years in Hohne
Only good thing about sennelager is that Irish bar in paderborn😂
there is an Irish bar in every city and town around the world.
Good grief many a night I had in there and the Highlander before heading to Black & Whites disco 😂
Great to see the Brits waking up but we have a long way to go.
What about Mine clearance and drones
There was no point in removing the army out of Germany , should of just stayed there
bergen..... the notico & the zepplin (the Weinbergure)
Warrior lethal weapon fast and reliable unfortunately light armour
It can be fitted with dorchester add on packs and bar armour in theatre.............
They should be in Estonia 🇪🇪 🇪🇪
We Brits probably have the best trained military in the world but we need to invest in quality with quantity. We were once a globally operational fighting force like the US. Times have changed and we need to change to put us back up there with the best because more often than not, as shown in two world wars and with Ukraine, we are the first to stand against threats to us and our neighbours.
We just haven’t enough men ! …….you lose men in war …..and you can’t pick them off the shelf ….attrition rate as shown in Ukraine is high…..we’d be broken after 4-5 weeks
How are they protecting from drone attacks on light guns and tanks? As shown in Ukraine
Every 4th vehicle or so should probably be somekind of anti air anti drone vehicle now me thinks
Great tank but pay more attention to the hatch armour for the protection of amunition and crew.
Adding armour to the hatches would possibly make them too heavy to open and close quickly and easily.The incident I think you are referring to would have happened anyway as the hatches on the struck tank were open.
I'll say it: withdrawing 1 Division from Central Europe was a massive mistake. Now? I'd return it, to northern Poland and the Baltic States.
Isn't 1 Division the entirety of British Army's field fighting formations?
Unbelieveable , we were in Germany fo rover 60 yrs with the infrastructure and support all in place. Now thanks to Westminster/MOD short sightedness and complete lack of awareness we now have to spend £millions shifting kit and manpower back and forward !! Totall stupidity !!
I swear some of these surnames are just puns.
Doesn't seem that long ago that the MOD decided Russia wasn't a threat and closed the German bases. oopsy
Fact is the UK does not have firepower, about 250 tanks that they have is the same amount that Ukraine has lost in its counter offensive.
But the british army arent civilians fighting for there homeland, the are highly trained professional warriors.
It will be card board cut out tanks they will be using
Pip Pip!!
00:28 Ups, allready in Washington. Sorry, German habits.
Uk with its 30 thousand infantry soldiers. 2 months worth of casualties in a battle with Russia
room temperature IQ
So you would suggest keeping 100.000 men ready to fight? Are you willing to pay the accompanying tax rise of 20 % ? With production of a few thousand tanks?
Or would you defund the health services even more?
And are you one of the volunteers?
@@willy_wombatthe NHS must end it’s totally and utterly outlived it’s usefulness it is now a complete money bin. Spend half on the army and the other half on preparing good health insurance schemes
😂😂😂😂😂😂 bRITISH FIRE POWER DONT MAKE ME LAUGH,great professional personel lack luster equipment,whether navy RAF or army......
Expanding battle group still laughing
Playing at war in Germany while british tanks are hiding in Western Ukraine desperately trying to avoid any battle deployment.
If they do, people will realize that the invincible Chally 2 doesn't even have blow off panels despite having a paper thin lower front glacis (as proven in Iraq).
@@death_parade Go and do some research, you trolling git.
Options for change😂
"Battle Groups" your avin a laugh.
Even if it will take a long time: I believe that one day there will be a United States of Europe and a common European army, we can now see where egoism and narrow-mindedness lead, that the old spirits of imperialism want to rule the world again and that gunboat politics are being practiced again! It was all there! Resist and drive the Villains back!
What an apalling thought. Resist the EUSSR and its anti national, anti democratic Euroimperialism.
Challenger 2 is the biggest disaster of brittish tank builders. If you use google translate and read ukrainian battle reports and feedback's from elite forces like Azov, then you will see that ukrainians are in panic from Challenger 2, they are highly unreliable tanks constantly braking down and simply lacking motor power. Tank is good for deserts and paved roads but it is too weak for ukrainian terrain. That is why ukrainians are using leopards, mraps and every single battle machine there is, except challenger!
British army is weak.
It’s currently on fire in the fields of Ukraine
Except..... Not a single Challenger 2 has been lost in Ukraine. Now, if we're talking about T-72s, T-80s and T-90s then you would absolutely be right.
Here comes the shills!
@@tp_timtam863that’s only because they’ve not been committed to battle yet. Chally 2 is good, but it’s not any better than any other MBT when faced with hi tech anti tank weapons.
@@Jimmythefish577
I disagree, but only time will tell.
@@Jimmythefish577 It is better though, that is why it won Iron Spear.
4 tanks? so 50% of our forces then.