Great build! For a name: for all that she claims to have moved on and be looking to brighter and better things, Sheila is still a little bitter about the outcome of her last election run and wants to make sure that her legacy as the first Governor of Superior is well-secured for years to come. Accordingly, she asks Russ to name the new development "Governor's Hill" so that its residents will remember Sheila Johnson's legacy of ambitious development instead of that pesky little fire. It remains to be seen if the dense tree canopy and lack of a fire station within the development will come back to bite her-let's hope Sheila is on better terms with Myrtle!
Phil - at 45:20 you started by putting trees all along the canal behind the residential houses. They are far too thick. The residents along there would specifically be wanting to see the stream/canal running behind their houses. That would also pump up the property value of all those houses.
At around the 45:00 min mark, you decorate the canal with boulders and rocks. That wouldn't happen, especially not with a canal designed to be only as deep as absolutely necessary for boat traffic and not an inch deeper. There's too much chance one of the rocks could dislodge and tear the bottom out of a boat (or otherwise make the canal impassable safely).
@CityPlannerPlays I also wanted to use this as a piggyback to respond your concerns about the density of trees. where I live (Oregon Coast) it looks exactly like that! close enough to the ocean that you can hear it. But not see it. That's what expensive houses are for
Emily recently got arrested for drinking and driving. She was also forced out of her car and charged with obstruction after screaming at officers that she was just “traveling” and believes the earth really is flat. Once in cuffs and secured in the back of the patrol car, it was leaked she released hot caca 💩 all over the floorboard, seat, side window, and miraculously, even the roof was defaced. Rumors are the patrol car was so plastered it still has not been cleared to return to service. Emily, now sober, realizes the errors of her ways and declares more funding and support for the local police who did their jobs to the highest of standards. She has also been in contact with M.A.D. (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) and is coordinating resources and recognition in the county area for related issues.
That canal would appear to only be one way (at best) with the expected current with the elevation change from Lake Superior. If anything, it would probably be a highly unsafe area to be in….
Wow, blown away by this episode. Fantastic new neighborhood, but it's a shame that some of that high density housing can't see the lake for the density of the forest behind them. I'm glad you liked the Granny Flats story! Thanks for using it!
@@EnchantingCat8365I was just thinking about that. To make a BUNCH of invisible paths all over the beach so it looks naturally walked all over instead of just a few small little areas where people weirdly walk in single file 😅😂
This might be more of a Florida beach thing, but we usually have restrooms/outdoor showers along the public beaches. Not sure if the asset exists, but a beach volleyball net/court would be a fun addition as well for the beach if possible. Also, I love all the trees!
Seems like the walking paths through those heavy forests would be dark and scary at night. Probably wouldn’t get much use unless some lights were installed.
As for me, I think trees are a bit too tall (or a bit too dense) and kinda ruins the view from some buildings but other than that it looks really good! Great build!
Another wonderful Magnolia County Episode. Thank you Suggestion: Maybe add some invisible paths to the beach parallel to the existing one. This way, people don’t need to walk in a single line.
I think that you went a little heavy on the trees (again) might need to thin them out some plus you should have used hedges or bushes along the canal not trees and that one house would definitely want the trees removed so that they have the view. You also might want to check your road speeds that van in the tour almost tipped over in the roundabout. I think that the default name is perfectly fine no need to change it.
I really enjoyed this addition to the city. Because of all the grading work I'd expect the trees to be younger. Maybe also reduce the amount of trees by 20-25%.
Piedmont Terrace Long ago, when European settlers first came to this region, relations with native peoples was understandably tenuous. Among these settlers was a man named Zachariah Piedmont, who came with his wife and three young children; while the other settlers moved on, escaping to warmer climes before the onset of winter, Piedmont and his family remained. Some versions of the tale claim that their wagon broke down, some say the younger daughter got lost and they stayed to search for her, and others claim they were simply weary of travel and decided to stay put. For whatever reason, they remained and built a cabin near the lakeshore. Whether by necessity or because he was just that sort of man, Zachariah got along fairly well with the local tribes. He and his son were fairly skilled at fishing and would barter their catch in exchange for other things they needed. He would climb the highest point of that hill to watch for passing groups, waving to beckon them to come trade. Sadly, his wife passed in the spring from consumption and he lost his children to pneumonia over the next two winters. "He who watches and waves" remained for many years, continuing to barter what he could despite his declining health - happy just to have the company, however brief it might have been. No one knows what became of old Zachariah but legends claim that his spirit became one with that hill, where he continues to generously share his resources for the sake of companionship.
Beaches aren't just areas that will attract an areas human residents, they are often covered in other life! Any way to get some birds down near the water? A fishing pier for perhaps for what is surely going to become a prime breeding spot for fish? The lake was probably prime wetland as well, so I could see concerned residents or larger goverments stepping it to get portions of it preserved for the nature it holds.
As someone from Pittsburgh, I love you having taken some inspiration from the city. I just have a few recommendations from my own experiences to make it feel more like home to me. All around the Pittsburgh suburban area there are a ton of super steep drop offs. Walls that are 50 feet tall and essentially 90 degrees, even right behind residential homes, most of which come from the blasting that took place to build a lot of the infrastructure in the surrounding areas. So I would honestly increase the number of sheer cliffs in the area, and I’d definitely tone down the number of rocks you placed, areas like what you placed are essentially nonexistent in the city. Also, your comments about the steepness of the roads were funny, since you said that 14% was a lot. There are plenty of residential roads which are closer to 25%, especially in the Dormont area. There’s one road at 34% and it’s considered to be one of the steepest roads in the world. Also: your concerns about trucks getting up to the top aren’t very common. Why would an 18-wheeler drive into a fully residential development? My last suggestion would be to limit the number of ways up to the top of the hill. I know you were talking about not wanting to cul-de-sac the development, but in my experience an area the size of what you developed would likely only have 2-3 entrances up, and the connections would be absolutely horrible to drive on. Pittsburgh manages to have some of the worst street designs I’ve ever experienced, and a few minutes clicking around on street view would show you how horrible it is. Blind 180 degree turns, intersections of 6 roads, etc, are super common around here. I look forward to seeing the development of the town in the next few videos!
@@RelentlesGamer the rocks and that aren't common in the city but the smaller towns around Pittsburgh, where I'm from, have many, many falling rock signs
The hilltop neighborhood also looks like it would be a great area for a microtransit service of sorts, which you might be able to simulate with taxi stands. It might also be worth checking the taxi depots to see if you have enough taxis or if you need to expand.
You put a lot of trees behind the houses that back up onto the new canal. I would think that if I lived there, I would want a view of the waterway, even if I didn’t have direct access to it. Also, the homes on the hill might like to see the view. I mean, isn’t a bit ironic that the low income housing tower has the best views in the whole development?
When CPP said that we're just going to create a canal to link the lake, I was like "huh, I know how to do that". But that planning and its logic that went behind it to make sure it doesn't flood, that was awesome! Usually I'm doing damage control or at worse reloading as save after my canal shenanigans. Thank you, CPP!
21:45 100% sold on this. San Diego native here, you see this A TON in places like Del Mar, Solana Beach and anywhere where there isn't beachfront residences
I really appreciate how you continue to improve your videos. Adding bits of self-deprecating humor via text is a great touch. If anyone were to watch your videos from Bluffside Crossing to Magnolia County, they would tell how much of an evolution has occurred. This work isn’t easy. Thank you for your dedication to being a great builder.
I liked the rocks more, they look like disguised/decorated retaining walls. but there maybe be still some houses there that will be at a high risk of a landslide.
@@danilooliveira6580 in some places, the rocks are great. The one with the long curved road up the hillside is nice. In most others, it looks wrong. There could've been extra development space and cool concrete walls. Though CPP covered the entire hillside with trees at the end we don't see much. So I guess my point is moot either way
I love the Landscaping. It's amazing. It's a beautiful jewel jsut hidden enough for the finder upon discovering it finds ever lasting love. It so speaks to having a symbiosis between modern development and respecting nature living alongside it not against it. This is now my favorite build from you Phil.
Hi Phil, Ive been a subscriber since the bluffside crossing days! after graduating school and starting a new job ive been to busy to watch for a while, but I'm going to an open house about a redevelopment project in my neighborhood. Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to my interest in these sorts of issues and events
I would love to see some light posts added to the main walking paths between row home communities on the hill side. I know you don't view the city a lot at night, but I think it would make the area really stand out.
Every time I think I'm ready to take the plunge and try building a city of my own, Phil goes and does something that totally intimidates me and I take the game out of my cart.
Leazes Hill. In the city that I live (Newcastle, UK), there is a hill with a park at the top of it called Leazes Park, however there is also a park north of it called Castle Leazes. Just to the south of Leazes Park, you have our football (soccer) stadium for our football club (Newcastle United). You can see the stadium from pretty much every part of the city because it’s on an incline, and as such it’s referred to as ‘The Cathedral on top of the hill’ by locals (Geordies). Because the stadium has lopsided stands, and because of the incline, it is possible to see the fans in the stadium from most areas of the city. So my option suggestion is Leazes hill.
I LOVE how you used the rocks on the steep surfaces! It looks so much better than the default cliffs and is so much more unique than smoothing everything out.
THIS! This was the first CS2 episode where I didn't find myself missing Clearwater County. Great beach decals by Sully, great detailing. All the small things are slowly starting to come together now.
51:30 Could you remove the grass on the right side of the road because I don't think it would be good for buses and the grass if the buses drive over it
Felt a bit heavy on the trees on first glance because, well, video game. But take a step back and it's by far the best place to live in Magnolia county. Great job Mr Planner.
May I suggest "Mount Royal" for the name. Sheila Johnson sees herself as the effective leader of this community and really wants to attract newer citizens with deeper pockets to the region to further fund her venture within Paradise Bay (possibly looking to urbanize the cities downtown or attract more big companies to the area). She promises her former colleagues at the board of governors that they will receive first choice of these units. These fancier, more upscale and modern houses are available for these politicians (and at a discounted rate!) IF they can attract richer citizens to settle in the area. I am so thankful to have ran into your channel and have binged your series within the last two-ish months. The way you plan your cities in this game is so interesting and I love the care you put into each video! (PS. I would love to see a part of an episode dedicated to how you up zone some of your buildings in an organic way.)
Phil, this is once again a brilliant video. I'm so invested into the tale and history and future of not only the county, but also the citizens who inhabit it. I cannot wait to see where you take us!
I really appreciate rosewood terrace being built on a slope. I was born in a heavily sloped city and while you didn't quite do it the way they did it at my hometown, it is good to see you work *around* the geography rather than flattening everything up.
CPP! I’ve been subscribed and watching your channel for about a year now and I love your videos! I’m a musician for work and got to play a show in Madison last night for the first time. After exploring for a while and waking around, I love the area and the people, everyone is so nice. I love how it’s sandwiched between 2 lakes and you can see both from the capital! Thanks for your videos and your city’s kindness, keep up the good work!
Very cool build! You can see how much you enjoyed it from how it turned out. Those roads you added at the end made perfect sense. No doubt one of the most popular placed to live in Magnolia County... 👍
Bold move with the water there! Great build though. Nice to see houses on slopes too! And thanks for the shout out! Appreciate that, and glad the build didn't break of course. ;o)
I think at the top of the hill you could use a little mixed density instead of just regular townhomes. I think the citizens would have a couple small/local shops and restaurants. Maybe one block? Or one row?
Thanks for the love to western PA in the episode with you taking inspiration from Pittsburgh! Maybe as a nod to the Steel City, we can name the new neighborhood/district something like "Steel Slopes", "Carnegie Hill", or "Duquesne Bluff". Perhaps in the history of the area, an old steel mill owner or worker from western PA made their way to Magnolia County for retirement and chose to settle the hill since it reminded him so much of home. Thanks for another great video, love seeing more Magnolia County!
I think you should place the medieval castle on top of the hill next to the bus depot. Making that hill a “historical” park would probably be a major attractor for the commercial area you made last video, I can see that being sponsored by the shops there. And for so far I know the top of that hill is a strategic place to have a castle.
Really spectacular what you did with the beach. Really enjoying all of the new tools you can use. Wasnt expecting the new landscaping music, but it works really well.
This was really inspiring from a process perspective. I learn so many little tips like the walkways to measure water rise; i gave up trying to manipulate water because it always won. It also gives me perspective on how much trial and error goes on even in a professional's process. And also the reality that I'm never going to detail to this level...
Wow! Such a cool addition to the community! The canal & beach I'm especially a fan of. I'd love to see you revisit the other beaches in Paradise Bay, Charity Island etc with Sully's sand textures, they look awesome!
Love the update on this video series. Since you are using Pittsburg PA as inspiration. I had grandparents in Natrona Heights near Pittsburg that I would spend my summer vacations with in my youth. The original village of Natrona - then known as East Tarentum - was built as a company town by the Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company in the 1850s. It received its name from "natron", a naturally occurring mineral composed primarily of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate. I love the idea for the beach. The family last was Gaschler which means glassblower. I would love to see a nature walk style park near by. As for the name I was thinking of Magnolia Heights. Love the videos. Keep up the wonderful work. 😎
I think some of the townhouses on the hills would have wanted better views of the beach. They would be wonderful views people would be likely to pay for! But I have to say this does remind me of the West Hills & Washington/Forest Park neighborhoods of Portland, OR. Forest Park is one of the largest urban forests in the US. Every wildfire season we all worry about it.
Recently stopped playing a hilly map city because I was struggling with building on elevation. This video is honestly the perfect inspiration to go back and try to keep it going. For a district name, my suggestion is Cedar Cliffs. A nod to the elevation and Cedar Street that wraps the neighborhood.
Great episode again. It makes so much fun to watch and since I found you I'm barely able to watch other CS2 RUclipsrs anymore. For me as an European, specific a German, it feels so strange to see a project like that with this wonderful view over the whole area and then be completly hidden in a forest. You would never find any "bigger" part of a town or village in the middle of a forest, especially not when it becomes to one of the best properties based on the view/location. For me one this is missing heavily on the beach. The opportunity for sports. I would expect to find some beach volleyball or football (soccer) places in the sand to enjoy after work / school hours with friends. But again - great work, deeply enjoyable to watch and always interesting to find the difference between our cultures on how to handle / build our stuff.
I love the new area so much! I live in CT and it reminds me a bit of our shoreline areas too. I think the density of the canopy is right, but I also think some targeted thinning of the trees would make sense in the yards of homes where there should be great views. I think this would simulate what the property owners themselves might do to enhance their views of the lake(s). I don't know about Wisconsin/Superior, but our local beaches have some reeds/vegetation/small dunes near the back close to the parking to block that sound/view, and act as a bit of a wildlife sanctuary for crabs and nesting birds. (They're usually blocked off a bit with some wood/wire fencing so people don't walk through them). This could enhance the beach realism further! All in all, I love it!
Juniper Hills! The area was largely covered by juniper trees. One of the local businesses is a Gin distillery that donated all the funds to build the local school on the hill. The school's Mascot is well known from a local (And living) Budgie/Parakeet named Juniper. Juniper is the pet of the local distiller's daughter.
Naming the hill top district: Assuming the inlet was historically important, the hill would have made a great spot for monitoring trade or military vessel activity in the protected harbor, as well as visual communication with "Signal Hill". Given the "Voyageur" namesake on the opposite shore, perhaps this is "Fort Voyageur". In the days of fur trade, a wooden palisade used to occupy the site of the new Elementary School, and it now fronts the street named for it's pioneering commander - "Paul-Frédéric Avenue". P.S. Love the use of armor rock for erosion control, throughout. Excellent solution to limiting the terrain smoothing, and I'll be stealing it :)
Love this! I always struggle in building on slopes, so good to see how it works in practice. I'm probably the odd one out in thinking that the trees blocking the views are OK - you wouldn't be clearing the entire hill for development, and where I live, that area would likely be subject to lots of controls on removing trees and vegetation anyway. With the transit routes (or lack there of) I'd still be pushing for at least one bus route through the new residential area - buses can traverse steeper grades than the road network placed in the new hood, so it wouldn't be unrealistic to include at least one to the main centre particularly for higher density areas. Also means cims wouldn't have to rely on cars or parking.
heya Phil! My main concern with this build is that you said you wanted boats to be able to pass underneath the bridges to other bodies of water, but the bridge closest to the development is very low. I doubt any boat could fit underneath other than maybe a kayaker. Also with all of the landscaping you've blocked the views haha
as a sailing dinghy owner... that was my first thought. My mast isn't getting under that bridge. (tbf, a draw bridge or taller bridge would probably be more expensive than the govt would want to do though. Maybe if Sheila has a sailboat, she'd want that done though!)
The new neighborhood looks great! Beach work and surfaces sounded messy but those blending decals were incredible. Two things: some residents of the new neighborhood might want to preserve their view living on the hills, so removing/replacing a couple trees could be nice. With the new canal, I could see a fishery operating in the lake - I wonder if there’s assets that could create the appearance of boats transiting the canal.
The house on the hill that can't see the beach due to the trees resonates with me. I'm in the same situation irl ... granted a little further from the beach than that. Keep it the way it is Phil. They can see the beach in winter when the leaves are gone.
As someone who works on cell towers, you're being quite generous by providing paved roads to the cell sites. Typically, they are infrequently used and usually poorly maintained.
Always a fan of your builds and your voice overs :) This is a gorgeous spot and I was excited to see you building in an area with steep terrain. I was intrigued you mentioning about buses being unable to service areas with steep slopes in the winter, thereby disallowing bus services at all to those areas. That (possibly) answers a frustration of mine where I live. It's right on a main road yet there are no bus routes (other than school buses) at all. Living right next to the Rocky Mountains, there's nowhere you won't get hills, but it always baffled me that my area would lack such an amenity. This might be otherwise fine, but that main road ALSO lacks sidewalks for a long stretch from where I live until the bottom of the hill. As someone who uses a wheelchair, this means I can't get to the nearest bus stop (at the bottom of the hill) even if I had a powered wheelchair for the uphill journey. Lastly, you and your aversion to jagged cliffs!! Where I live, all the exposed rocks are just a part of the scenery and they are even beautiful in their own way. I have to wonder if you'd be less averse if the game made an effort to make them look nicer and more natural. Here, exposed rocks have distinct bands of different colours where the earth has buckled and warped, showing the strata of ages passed. Roads often cut straight through ridges, blasted out by dynamite with no attempt to hide the scar. I'd love to see you embrace that sort of thing more!
Great addition! Regarding the difference in tree density... It seems as if the city planners realized the lax regulations regarding preservation of old growth trees was detrimental. In the sessions just prior to the new addition, they added regulations that require a large percent of old growth trees to be retained.
As a born-and-raised and current Yinzer (Pittsburgh resident), I love that you're taking inspiration from the Steel City for the hilly area that you developed in this episode. However, I have a few suggestions to help you take further inspiration from the City of Champions: (1) don't worry as much about the grades - a 25% grade for any distance less than 1 mile is acceptable for hilly terrain. Buses, garbage, etc all manage to do fine on these steeper roads - even in the winter! (2) many of the neighborhoods in PGH are isolated - there's maybe 2 ways in/out of the area (just enough to not be a cul-de-sac). To make this build more 'Burgh-esqe - reduce the road connectivity. (3) Do more to maximize developable lots: its not uncommon to have parallel streets that are terraced with a connecting road only once every quarter to half mile (see the road layout in the Elliot section of the city). What these areas lack in vehicular connectivity though, they make up for with 'paper streets' - public stairs that appear on maps to serve as connections between these long parallel roads. Often they extend an existing road up an impossible grade (see #1 for definition of impossible grade). This is the 'respect the topography' approach. (4) The other way I often see to neighborhood-building in PGH is to superimpose a grid on the hillside regardless of the grade (within reason - see #1 again). This is how we have so many small grids - think maybe 8 total blocks - next to each other that aren't at the same angle: they're built on different hills and oriented to maximize development. This is the 'bend the topography to my will' approach. (5) Gain more density by making maximum use of what the topography gives you: I see this often with short spur roads into a hollow to develop that valley. These are labeled with "no outlet" and appear all over the PGH hillsides. (6) Stop covering up the hillsides with rocks - if you need to manicure the area, do so with a retaining wall as another commenter suggested. This is common in PGH and allows for the terraced roads referenced in #2. (7) Gain more connectivity between areas that are next to each other but with drastically different elevations (think separated by a sheer cliffside) by building inclines! I'm not sure if such a feature is possible in CS2, but the Southside Slopes/Allentown/Mt. Washington/Duquesne Heights neighborhoods used to have at least 13 inclines before the decline of industry in the Southside Flats/South Shore led to most of them going out of business. (8) Lastly, and this one isn't really applicable to this development from what I could see - but instead of winding up and down neighboring hills, connect them with a bridge. Its not uncommon to go up one hill, over the bridge, down the other. And the ravine under the bridge often has its own road and development that would take a meandering 2+ mile drive to get to the nearby hilltop. I hope you take some of these suggestions and take a closer look at the road layout in PGH to help make this more realistic of an urban hillside development. I do want to add that I am a big fan of your work, and often take the tricks you demonstrate and use them to build my own city. Keep up the good work!!!
Great build! For a name: for all that she claims to have moved on and be looking to brighter and better things, Sheila is still a little bitter about the outcome of her last election run and wants to make sure that her legacy as the first Governor of Superior is well-secured for years to come. Accordingly, she asks Russ to name the new development "Governor's Hill" so that its residents will remember Sheila Johnson's legacy of ambitious development instead of that pesky little fire. It remains to be seen if the dense tree canopy and lack of a fire station within the development will come back to bite her-let's hope Sheila is on better terms with Myrtle!
I really love that name. And its right next to Johnson Grove so its kinda funny to me.
thats really good act
I love it!
Love it.
The locals are definitely going to call this one Fireman's Hill for the amount of times they'll have to climb it 😂
City Planner Plays: "I am not a detailer."
Also City Planner Plays: proceeds to build one of the best looking beaches I've seen in the game to date.
CPP is honestly the Bob Ross of city building, so I'm not surprised.
Especially nice work with the terrain and textures!
While 'painting' the beach, Phil DID become Bob Ross :D amazing work
Phil - at 45:20 you started by putting trees all along the canal behind the residential houses. They are far too thick. The residents along there would specifically be wanting to see the stream/canal running behind their houses. That would also pump up the property value of all those houses.
Maybe they wouldn't because of the boat traffic noise, I guess that was what he was thinking about.
I came here to say the same thing. If I were buying along the canal or lake or river, I'd want to see it.
@@moonlight-hm4bh it would really only be suitable for small craft traffic - boat noise is a "feature" of a waterside home. :)
They're also a fire hazard, something Phil should be very worried about considering history...
Great point. Will fix this!
At around the 45:00 min mark, you decorate the canal with boulders and rocks. That wouldn't happen, especially not with a canal designed to be only as deep as absolutely necessary for boat traffic and not an inch deeper. There's too much chance one of the rocks could dislodge and tear the bottom out of a boat (or otherwise make the canal impassable safely).
I'd like to hear what Emily Timmons has been up to. We voted for her to win but have barely heard anything about her or what she has planned
She's just a governor in name! Sheila still holds the power in Magnolia County! Sheila had a lot of megaprojects and barely faced opposition.
@@arushiiru Well I mean isn't Governor Timmons literally Sheila's understudy before?
I think that's a fair question.... stay tuned!
@CityPlannerPlays I also wanted to use this as a piggyback to respond your concerns about the density of trees. where I live (Oregon Coast) it looks exactly like that! close enough to the ocean that you can hear it. But not see it. That's what expensive houses are for
Emily recently got arrested for drinking and driving. She was also forced out of her car and charged with obstruction after screaming at officers that she was just “traveling” and believes the earth really is flat. Once in cuffs and secured in the back of the patrol car, it was leaked she released hot caca 💩 all over the floorboard, seat, side window, and miraculously, even the roof was defaced. Rumors are the patrol car was so plastered it still has not been cleared to return to service. Emily, now sober, realizes the errors of her ways and declares more funding and support for the local police who did their jobs to the highest of standards. She has also been in contact with M.A.D. (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) and is coordinating resources and recognition in the county area for related issues.
Phil: Fire coverage looks fine so I won't worry about it.
Also Phil: *makes the most flammable neighbourhood yet*
You made a special canal to connect the lakes, but you didn't make a boat launch? There should be a boat launch to get the boats in there!
On it!
this goes along with my naming suggestion lol
@@itstaylor2137 What was your suggestion?
That canal would appear to only be one way (at best) with the expected current with the elevation change from Lake Superior.
If anything, it would probably be a highly unsafe area to be in….
You also need a lift bridge at the bottom of the canal to allow boat usage.
People moving in: Wow, what a great view!
CPP: Lest's block it!
Wow, blown away by this episode.
Fantastic new neighborhood, but it's a shame that some of that high density housing can't see the lake for the density of the forest behind them.
I'm glad you liked the Granny Flats story! Thanks for using it!
can't you make one of those invisible parks to make people exercise and stuff on the beach?
This was my thought as well!
I had the exact same thought
And also add more path so that the people dont walk all in one line
@@EnchantingCat8365I was just thinking about that. To make a BUNCH of invisible paths all over the beach so it looks naturally walked all over instead of just a few small little areas where people weirdly walk in single file 😅😂
This might be more of a Florida beach thing, but we usually have restrooms/outdoor showers along the public beaches. Not sure if the asset exists, but a beach volleyball net/court would be a fun addition as well for the beach if possible.
Also, I love all the trees!
Was going to suggest this as well as adding in a couple of lifeguard towers.
@leghumper83 for a Beach this size, not too many though. Wouldn't want to make it look too much like a very busy seafront beach!
we have all those here in greece too, great suggestions!!
@@hooimeijerf Yeah, exactly. Also: a marina, since it was opened for boat traffic in the first place.
Loved the Sheila Johnson Easter egg during the city tour😂
What's up y'all, it's Sheila Johnson and this is my crib.
Seems like the walking paths through those heavy forests would be dark and scary at night. Probably wouldn’t get much use unless some lights were installed.
It would add a lot to the nighttime aesthetic as well!
Good point! Will get that fixed!
Definitely something I've noticed w most of your walking paths. I love the walkability, but I probably wouldn't use it after dark.
As for me, I think trees are a bit too tall (or a bit too dense) and kinda ruins the view from some buildings but other than that it looks really good! Great build!
Definitely this. Too big trees and also too dense.
yes, i mean, one of the benefits of living on a hill is the view :)
I had the exact same thought, agreed.
But on the other hand, trees offer shelter on an exposed hillside.
PGH MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥💯
Fun Fact: Pittsburgh hosts the steepest street in the US; Canton Ave with a 37% grade.
another fun fact: has North America's longest running funicular
I remember being in college in PA, and me and my buddy raced our bikes DOWN Arlington ave in Southside.
I thought it was san francisco or paris
greatest city in the world
@@Thatguyinyourclass ITS CALLED THE INCLINE.
Another wonderful Magnolia County Episode. Thank you
Suggestion:
Maybe add some invisible paths to the beach parallel to the existing one. This way, people don’t need to walk in a single line.
A real jem of a neighborhood Did you add a dog park?
@@tarablack3309 I think he could also add parks and delete the assets, keeping the zoning, so people would start using it for activities like a park
Great suggestion! I'll get that in the next one!
Here was me thinking that the canal would finally be an instance of CPP not smoothing edges
Same! 😂
Those canal builders did a good job smoothing!
Lol, I didn't even realize I did it there!
I think that you went a little heavy on the trees (again) might need to thin them out some plus you should have used hedges or bushes along the canal not trees and that one house would definitely want the trees removed so that they have the view. You also might want to check your road speeds that van in the tour almost tipped over in the roundabout. I think that the default name is perfectly fine no need to change it.
I saw some wave decals... that always helps a bit with the beach look
I really enjoyed this addition to the city. Because of all the grading work I'd expect the trees to be younger. Maybe also reduce the amount of trees by 20-25%.
Piedmont Terrace
Long ago, when European settlers first came to this region, relations with native peoples was understandably tenuous. Among these settlers was a man named Zachariah Piedmont, who came with his wife and three young children; while the other settlers moved on, escaping to warmer climes before the onset of winter, Piedmont and his family remained. Some versions of the tale claim that their wagon broke down, some say the younger daughter got lost and they stayed to search for her, and others claim they were simply weary of travel and decided to stay put. For whatever reason, they remained and built a cabin near the lakeshore.
Whether by necessity or because he was just that sort of man, Zachariah got along fairly well with the local tribes. He and his son were fairly skilled at fishing and would barter their catch in exchange for other things they needed. He would climb the highest point of that hill to watch for passing groups, waving to beckon them to come trade.
Sadly, his wife passed in the spring from consumption and he lost his children to pneumonia over the next two winters. "He who watches and waves" remained for many years, continuing to barter what he could despite his declining health - happy just to have the company, however brief it might have been.
No one knows what became of old Zachariah but legends claim that his spirit became one with that hill, where he continues to generously share his resources for the sake of companionship.
Beaches aren't just areas that will attract an areas human residents, they are often covered in other life! Any way to get some birds down near the water? A fishing pier for perhaps for what is surely going to become a prime breeding spot for fish?
The lake was probably prime wetland as well, so I could see concerned residents or larger goverments stepping it to get portions of it preserved for the nature it holds.
As someone from Pittsburgh, I love you having taken some inspiration from the city. I just have a few recommendations from my own experiences to make it feel more like home to me. All around the Pittsburgh suburban area there are a ton of super steep drop offs. Walls that are 50 feet tall and essentially 90 degrees, even right behind residential homes, most of which come from the blasting that took place to build a lot of the infrastructure in the surrounding areas. So I would honestly increase the number of sheer cliffs in the area, and I’d definitely tone down the number of rocks you placed, areas like what you placed are essentially nonexistent in the city.
Also, your comments about the steepness of the roads were funny, since you said that 14% was a lot. There are plenty of residential roads which are closer to 25%, especially in the Dormont area. There’s one road at 34% and it’s considered to be one of the steepest roads in the world. Also: your concerns about trucks getting up to the top aren’t very common. Why would an 18-wheeler drive into a fully residential development?
My last suggestion would be to limit the number of ways up to the top of the hill. I know you were talking about not wanting to cul-de-sac the development, but in my experience an area the size of what you developed would likely only have 2-3 entrances up, and the connections would be absolutely horrible to drive on. Pittsburgh manages to have some of the worst street designs I’ve ever experienced, and a few minutes clicking around on street view would show you how horrible it is. Blind 180 degree turns, intersections of 6 roads, etc, are super common around here.
I look forward to seeing the development of the town in the next few videos!
Pittsburgh def has spaghetti intersections lol
@@RelentlesGamer the rocks and that aren't common in the city but the smaller towns around Pittsburgh, where I'm from, have many, many falling rock signs
44:10 you could add some watch towers or shomething looking like lifeguard towers for safety (along the beach)
Pittsburgh Mentioned! Glad to see you take inspiration from our city.
The hilltop neighborhood also looks like it would be a great area for a microtransit service of sorts, which you might be able to simulate with taxi stands. It might also be worth checking the taxi depots to see if you have enough taxis or if you need to expand.
You put a lot of trees behind the houses that back up onto the new canal. I would think that if I lived there, I would want a view of the waterway, even if I didn’t have direct access to it. Also, the homes on the hill might like to see the view. I mean, isn’t a bit ironic that the low income housing tower has the best views in the whole development?
When CPP said that we're just going to create a canal to link the lake, I was like "huh, I know how to do that". But that planning and its logic that went behind it to make sure it doesn't flood, that was awesome! Usually I'm doing damage control or at worse reloading as save after my canal shenanigans. Thank you, CPP!
I think you might be able to make the trees a bit less dense without ruining the build. Then it will blend in more with the whole city
21:45 100% sold on this. San Diego native here, you see this A TON in places like Del Mar, Solana Beach and anywhere where there isn't beachfront residences
I’ve really been loving your use of the rocks for landscaping and detailing lately. Just really adds something extra to the beauty of the build
I really appreciate how you continue to improve your videos. Adding bits of self-deprecating humor via text is a great touch. If anyone were to watch your videos from Bluffside Crossing to Magnolia County, they would tell how much of an evolution has occurred. This work isn’t easy. Thank you for your dedication to being a great builder.
Bad news guys, Phil is still allergic to quai walls and retaining walls. 🙃
I liked the rocks more, they look like disguised/decorated retaining walls. but there maybe be still some houses there that will be at a high risk of a landslide.
@@danilooliveira6580 in some places, the rocks are great. The one with the long curved road up the hillside is nice. In most others, it looks wrong. There could've been extra development space and cool concrete walls.
Though CPP covered the entire hillside with trees at the end we don't see much. So I guess my point is moot either way
I love the Landscaping. It's amazing. It's a beautiful jewel jsut hidden enough for the finder upon discovering it finds ever lasting love.
It so speaks to having a symbiosis between modern development and respecting nature living alongside it not against it.
This is now my favorite build from you Phil.
Hi Phil, Ive been a subscriber since the bluffside crossing days! after graduating school and starting a new job ive been to busy to watch for a while, but I'm going to an open house about a redevelopment project in my neighborhood. Just wanted to thank you for your contribution to my interest in these sorts of issues and events
This tickles my brain in the perfect way, love the editing and the story telling keep it up man, I'll have to go back and watch all the episodes.
I would love to see some light posts added to the main walking paths between row home communities on the hill side. I know you don't view the city a lot at night, but I think it would make the area really stand out.
Think you should put a fence around Shelia’s house
Every time I think I'm ready to take the plunge and try building a city of my own, Phil goes and does something that totally intimidates me and I take the game out of my cart.
I think you should call the hill "Null Vista" since the trees block most of the views :D
@@SDGGames 🤣🤣🤣
Leazes Hill.
In the city that I live (Newcastle, UK), there is a hill with a park at the top of it called Leazes Park, however there is also a park north of it called Castle Leazes.
Just to the south of Leazes Park, you have our football (soccer) stadium for our football club (Newcastle United). You can see the stadium from pretty much every part of the city because it’s on an incline, and as such it’s referred to as ‘The Cathedral on top of the hill’ by locals (Geordies). Because the stadium has lopsided stands, and because of the incline, it is possible to see the fans in the stadium from most areas of the city.
So my option suggestion is Leazes hill.
I LOVE how you used the rocks on the steep surfaces! It looks so much better than the default cliffs and is so much more unique than smoothing everything out.
THIS! This was the first CS2 episode where I didn't find myself missing Clearwater County. Great beach decals by Sully, great detailing. All the small things are slowly starting to come together now.
51:30 Could you remove the grass on the right side of the road because I don't think it would be good for buses and the grass if the buses drive over it
Just moved to Madison myself and I’ve been loving spending time at the locks and watching the boats come through, so I 1000% love this!!
Felt a bit heavy on the trees on first glance because, well, video game. But take a step back and it's by far the best place to live in Magnolia county. Great job Mr Planner.
May I suggest "Mount Royal" for the name.
Sheila Johnson sees herself as the effective leader of this community and really wants to attract newer citizens with deeper pockets to the region to further fund her venture within Paradise Bay (possibly looking to urbanize the cities downtown or attract more big companies to the area).
She promises her former colleagues at the board of governors that they will receive first choice of these units. These fancier, more upscale and modern houses are available for these politicians (and at a discounted rate!) IF they can attract richer citizens to settle in the area.
I am so thankful to have ran into your channel and have binged your series within the last two-ish months. The way you plan your cities in this game is so interesting and I love the care you put into each video! (PS. I would love to see a part of an episode dedicated to how you up zone some of your buildings in an organic way.)
The time lapse of you adding trees everywhere with that music really gave a Bob Ross vibe, perfect to put on in the evening and fall asleep to!
Bro, I gotta say that these videos make me so happy. I don’t understand how they can make me feel so excited. Keep going. From Puerto RICO.
Phil, this is once again a brilliant video. I'm so invested into the tale and history and future of not only the county, but also the citizens who inhabit it. I cannot wait to see where you take us!
I really appreciate rosewood terrace being built on a slope. I was born in a heavily sloped city and while you didn't quite do it the way they did it at my hometown, it is good to see you work *around* the geography rather than flattening everything up.
CPP! I’ve been subscribed and watching your channel for about a year now and I love your videos!
I’m a musician for work and got to play a show in Madison last night for the first time. After exploring for a while and waking around, I love the area and the people, everyone is so nice. I love how it’s sandwiched between 2 lakes and you can see both from the capital!
Thanks for your videos and your city’s kindness, keep up the good work!
The use of real-life location shots is something that I love about this uniqueness of this channel.
Very cool build! You can see how much you enjoyed it from how it turned out. Those roads you added at the end made perfect sense. No doubt one of the most popular placed to live in Magnolia County... 👍
Bold move with the water there! Great build though. Nice to see houses on slopes too! And thanks for the shout out! Appreciate that, and glad the build didn't break of course. ;o)
One of my favorite builds!! And the beach!!! Chef’s kiss 👨🍳😚
Just imagine how nice the smell would be while living in that neighborhood. Delightful stuff!! Also good for wild flowers and birds.
I think at the top of the hill you could use a little mixed density instead of just regular townhomes. I think the citizens would have a couple small/local shops and restaurants. Maybe one block? Or one row?
One of my favourite episodes I think, i love these hilly forested dense developments.
You are the best content creator. There are many good ones, but I love your knowledge and ideas. A million subs is where you should be.
I think the households on the hill will be calling out "BRING ME A SHRUBBERY!" as they can't see their magnificent view of the lake over the trees.
Thanks for the love to western PA in the episode with you taking inspiration from Pittsburgh! Maybe as a nod to the Steel City, we can name the new neighborhood/district something like "Steel Slopes", "Carnegie Hill", or "Duquesne Bluff". Perhaps in the history of the area, an old steel mill owner or worker from western PA made their way to Magnolia County for retirement and chose to settle the hill since it reminded him so much of home.
Thanks for another great video, love seeing more Magnolia County!
I think you should place the medieval castle on top of the hill next to the bus depot.
Making that hill a “historical” park would probably be a major attractor for the commercial area you made last video, I can see that being sponsored by the shops there. And for so far I know the top of that hill is a strategic place to have a castle.
Really spectacular what you did with the beach. Really enjoying all of the new tools you can use. Wasnt expecting the new landscaping music, but it works really well.
The rock props and creating the rock retaining walls look phenomenal!
It looks so good, I love it! It reminds me a little bit of the Pyynikki area of Tampere! I LOVE the dense landscaping!
This was really inspiring from a process perspective. I learn so many little tips like the walkways to measure water rise; i gave up trying to manipulate water because it always won. It also gives me perspective on how much trial and error goes on even in a professional's process.
And also the reality that I'm never going to detail to this level...
I love how you used the rocks to form the cliff face, looks great!
Wow! Such a cool addition to the community! The canal & beach I'm especially a fan of.
I'd love to see you revisit the other beaches in Paradise Bay, Charity Island etc with Sully's sand textures, they look awesome!
i really enjoy all this building on uneven ground and working with the topography 🧡
Really enjoyed this one! That beach turned out absolutely excellent! 🏖
This is definitely my favorite neighborhood that you've created so far; I'd love to live in an area like that!
Love the update on this video series. Since you are using Pittsburg PA as inspiration. I had grandparents in Natrona Heights near Pittsburg that I would spend my summer vacations with in my youth. The original village of Natrona - then known as East Tarentum - was built as a company town by the Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company in the 1850s. It received its name from "natron", a naturally occurring mineral composed primarily of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate. I love the idea for the beach. The family last was Gaschler which means glassblower. I would love to see a nature walk style park near by. As for the name I was thinking of Magnolia Heights. Love the videos. Keep up the wonderful work. 😎
I think some of the townhouses on the hills would have wanted better views of the beach. They would be wonderful views people would be likely to pay for! But I have to say this does remind me of the West Hills & Washington/Forest Park neighborhoods of Portland, OR. Forest Park is one of the largest urban forests in the US. Every wildfire season we all worry about it.
Recently stopped playing a hilly map city because I was struggling with building on elevation. This video is honestly the perfect inspiration to go back and try to keep it going.
For a district name, my suggestion is Cedar Cliffs. A nod to the elevation and Cedar Street that wraps the neighborhood.
The rocks and trees really brought it all together!
Great episode again. It makes so much fun to watch and since I found you I'm barely able to watch other CS2 RUclipsrs anymore.
For me as an European, specific a German, it feels so strange to see a project like that with this wonderful view over the whole area and then be completly hidden in a forest. You would never find any "bigger" part of a town or village in the middle of a forest, especially not when it becomes to one of the best properties based on the view/location.
For me one this is missing heavily on the beach. The opportunity for sports. I would expect to find some beach volleyball or football (soccer) places in the sand to enjoy after work / school hours with friends.
But again - great work, deeply enjoyable to watch and always interesting to find the difference between our cultures on how to handle / build our stuff.
as someone from pittsburgh it was nice to see you use my hometown as inspiration
Just came back from the hospital and it’s such a treat to get a new cpp video. Keep up the good work!
I love the new area so much! I live in CT and it reminds me a bit of our shoreline areas too. I think the density of the canopy is right, but I also think some targeted thinning of the trees would make sense in the yards of homes where there should be great views. I think this would simulate what the property owners themselves might do to enhance their views of the lake(s). I don't know about Wisconsin/Superior, but our local beaches have some reeds/vegetation/small dunes near the back close to the parking to block that sound/view, and act as a bit of a wildlife sanctuary for crabs and nesting birds. (They're usually blocked off a bit with some wood/wire fencing so people don't walk through them). This could enhance the beach realism further! All in all, I love it!
Juniper Hills!
The area was largely covered by juniper trees. One of the local businesses is a Gin distillery that donated all the funds to build the local school on the hill. The school's Mascot is well known from a local (And living) Budgie/Parakeet named Juniper. Juniper is the pet of the local distiller's daughter.
Love it! You did what I said a few episodes ago. You connected the lake with the the big lake!
Naming the hill top district: Assuming the inlet was historically important, the hill would have made a great spot for monitoring trade or military vessel activity in the protected harbor, as well as visual communication with "Signal Hill". Given the "Voyageur" namesake on the opposite shore, perhaps this is "Fort Voyageur". In the days of fur trade, a wooden palisade used to occupy the site of the new Elementary School, and it now fronts the street named for it's pioneering commander - "Paul-Frédéric Avenue".
P.S. Love the use of armor rock for erosion control, throughout. Excellent solution to limiting the terrain smoothing, and I'll be stealing it :)
Love this! I always struggle in building on slopes, so good to see how it works in practice. I'm probably the odd one out in thinking that the trees blocking the views are OK - you wouldn't be clearing the entire hill for development, and where I live, that area would likely be subject to lots of controls on removing trees and vegetation anyway.
With the transit routes (or lack there of) I'd still be pushing for at least one bus route through the new residential area - buses can traverse steeper grades than the road network placed in the new hood, so it wouldn't be unrealistic to include at least one to the main centre particularly for higher density areas. Also means cims wouldn't have to rely on cars or parking.
The dense trees are awesome, whole county should look like that! I also really like the riprap on the canal.
heya Phil! My main concern with this build is that you said you wanted boats to be able to pass underneath the bridges to other bodies of water, but the bridge closest to the development is very low. I doubt any boat could fit underneath other than maybe a kayaker. Also with all of the landscaping you've blocked the views haha
as a sailing dinghy owner... that was my first thought. My mast isn't getting under that bridge. (tbf, a draw bridge or taller bridge would probably be more expensive than the govt would want to do though. Maybe if Sheila has a sailboat, she'd want that done though!)
A drawbridge would be quite appropriate. Or a rotating one (but this is kind of narrow)
The new neighborhood looks great! Beach work and surfaces sounded messy but those blending decals were incredible.
Two things: some residents of the new neighborhood might want to preserve their view living on the hills, so removing/replacing a couple trees could be nice. With the new canal, I could see a fishery operating in the lake - I wonder if there’s assets that could create the appearance of boats transiting the canal.
Where is the boat ramp and marina going to go? Maybe a pier? Maybe a water fountain in the pond by the shopping mall area?
The house on the hill that can't see the beach due to the trees resonates with me. I'm in the same situation irl ... granted a little further from the beach than that. Keep it the way it is Phil. They can see the beach in winter when the leaves are gone.
I loved this! This is the kinda stuff I do, more detailing and a bunch of landscaping
I love the look of row homes on steeper roads, really feels like home
As someone who works on cell towers, you're being quite generous by providing paved roads to the cell sites. Typically, they are infrequently used and usually poorly maintained.
That basketball court looks sooo much better! Gonna grab those decals too!
Always a fan of your builds and your voice overs :) This is a gorgeous spot and I was excited to see you building in an area with steep terrain.
I was intrigued you mentioning about buses being unable to service areas with steep slopes in the winter, thereby disallowing bus services at all to those areas. That (possibly) answers a frustration of mine where I live. It's right on a main road yet there are no bus routes (other than school buses) at all. Living right next to the Rocky Mountains, there's nowhere you won't get hills, but it always baffled me that my area would lack such an amenity. This might be otherwise fine, but that main road ALSO lacks sidewalks for a long stretch from where I live until the bottom of the hill. As someone who uses a wheelchair, this means I can't get to the nearest bus stop (at the bottom of the hill) even if I had a powered wheelchair for the uphill journey.
Lastly, you and your aversion to jagged cliffs!! Where I live, all the exposed rocks are just a part of the scenery and they are even beautiful in their own way. I have to wonder if you'd be less averse if the game made an effort to make them look nicer and more natural. Here, exposed rocks have distinct bands of different colours where the earth has buckled and warped, showing the strata of ages passed. Roads often cut straight through ridges, blasted out by dynamite with no attempt to hide the scar. I'd love to see you embrace that sort of thing more!
Great addition! Regarding the difference in tree density... It seems as if the city planners realized the lax regulations regarding preservation of old growth trees was detrimental. In the sessions just prior to the new addition, they added regulations that require a large percent of old growth trees to be retained.
Love the build! The city of Bend may need to learn a thing or two from what Paradise Bay just accomplished with its hilltop development...
As a born-and-raised and current Yinzer (Pittsburgh resident), I love that you're taking inspiration from the Steel City for the hilly area that you developed in this episode. However, I have a few suggestions to help you take further inspiration from the City of Champions:
(1) don't worry as much about the grades - a 25% grade for any distance less than 1 mile is acceptable for hilly terrain. Buses, garbage, etc all manage to do fine on these steeper roads - even in the winter!
(2) many of the neighborhoods in PGH are isolated - there's maybe 2 ways in/out of the area (just enough to not be a cul-de-sac). To make this build more 'Burgh-esqe - reduce the road connectivity.
(3) Do more to maximize developable lots: its not uncommon to have parallel streets that are terraced with a connecting road only once every quarter to half mile (see the road layout in the Elliot section of the city). What these areas lack in vehicular connectivity though, they make up for with 'paper streets' - public stairs that appear on maps to serve as connections between these long parallel roads. Often they extend an existing road up an impossible grade (see #1 for definition of impossible grade). This is the 'respect the topography' approach.
(4) The other way I often see to neighborhood-building in PGH is to superimpose a grid on the hillside regardless of the grade (within reason - see #1 again). This is how we have so many small grids - think maybe 8 total blocks - next to each other that aren't at the same angle: they're built on different hills and oriented to maximize development. This is the 'bend the topography to my will' approach.
(5) Gain more density by making maximum use of what the topography gives you: I see this often with short spur roads into a hollow to develop that valley. These are labeled with "no outlet" and appear all over the PGH hillsides.
(6) Stop covering up the hillsides with rocks - if you need to manicure the area, do so with a retaining wall as another commenter suggested. This is common in PGH and allows for the terraced roads referenced in #2.
(7) Gain more connectivity between areas that are next to each other but with drastically different elevations (think separated by a sheer cliffside) by building inclines! I'm not sure if such a feature is possible in CS2, but the Southside Slopes/Allentown/Mt. Washington/Duquesne Heights neighborhoods used to have at least 13 inclines before the decline of industry in the Southside Flats/South Shore led to most of them going out of business.
(8) Lastly, and this one isn't really applicable to this development from what I could see - but instead of winding up and down neighboring hills, connect them with a bridge. Its not uncommon to go up one hill, over the bridge, down the other. And the ravine under the bridge often has its own road and development that would take a meandering 2+ mile drive to get to the nearby hilltop.
I hope you take some of these suggestions and take a closer look at the road layout in PGH to help make this more realistic of an urban hillside development. I do want to add that I am a big fan of your work, and often take the tricks you demonstrate and use them to build my own city. Keep up the good work!!!
Don't normally comment but wanted to say this was my favorite MC video so far. Keep up the great work ❤
38:21 Who wouldn't like wet water 😁👍
I love how dense the forest is in the new neighbourhood!