Personally I think the old one it's better and the fact that I am a 1,90M toll boy still under 18 ears old I wish that even the old one would bee around 15 cm toller I belive to be at the size of my chest
NYC resident here. I have had 4 escooters/PEVs in the last 3 months. The first was the Gotrax elite which was wayyy too slow and small (I’m 6’ 175 lbs). The second was the G30 LP. I figured it had the same top speed (18.6 mph) as the original, 24 mile range, but cost $200 less, so I bought it. The true range turned out to be around 16 miles, and it stalled on the first hill! Third was the Emove Cruiser, which I loved in every way, except the most important way: the acceleration. On the Emove Cruiser, acceleration was twitchy and jerky with huge dead space in the throttle and I didn’t feel it was safe for NYC streets and traffic. Now I have the original Ninebot Max G30 and it feels like the best I can get for now. The acceleration, handling, and torque are great, but I wish the top speed were closer to 30 mph and that there was some sort of true suspension. I’m not sure the escooter I am looking for exists today, but until then, the original Ninebot Max serves me well. FYI, I see many reviews stating the Max loses top speed at 80% battery, and that’s not true for me. I am able to hit ~19 mph well below 80% battery.
experiment with some CFW (custom firmware) on the G30 and you will be pleasantly surprised! (I managed +10% throttle-response, +20% Power... increasing 700W >> 880W max output all without overheating the motor and only losing 3-4 miles Range)
@@ckaminsk I've dabbled with some cfw on my e25e using both the xiaomi app and the xaio flasher app with good results so far but the temps were alot higher than I wanted so knocked them back down. Only. Issue is it still doesn't really help On hills for my e25e. I feel like they've capped it so that you buy the external battery which is abit Shady. Maybe the battery mod will. Help support the fw I've removed but I think the motor will Still run hot. I was getting 22mph but temps were around 50c + compared to 22 standard
@@Goodman-4525 I'm happy with my nine bot if I can get a small generator I can get up to 60 miles that's fine for Miami. when the battery runs out I'll order a new one along with tires.
@@raybon7939 I'm going to be moving out to Miami, specifically coral gables for grad school.. Hoping to live within no more than a 5 mile radius of the school. Do you recommend the ninebot max or max G30LP version? Thanks!
@@Ringosbackup for what you just told me if stays like that , just 5 miles around the gables or even ten miles , you can use the nine bot for decades not months, there absolutely no where you would not be able to go, The areas there are little Havana gables coconut Grove Westchester downtown the nine bot would be able to travel From the gables to the Grove up to little Havana downtown back to the gables Prob on the same charge. Reason I say that is your prob under age 35 so your weight is prob 175 to 195 at that range You'll get 20 miles with half the battery left over I'm 235 pounds And I would get 18 miles. But there would no reason for you to go to little Havana except for Cuban food. South beach I think If you went no where else And back it would make it, Downtown is the party sceene you'll be going there alot, Kendal there's little reason for you to go Kendal Pinecrest less it's like Dinner , or friends house Also gables south, has a walk way no cars just for bikes and electric pev that extends miles, And even if you couldn't, the bus and metro allows nine bot on the bus and metro. The bus system is excellent,
Is this a new version of the G30P? Because the G30P is the exact same scooter except for a 5 km/h higher top speed. That is not enough. I want to see dual shocks, dual brakes, better ground clearance and fully internal cable routing in a new Ninebot model.
Got my new one today. I ride a cruiser and I think I’m having more fun on the scooter. I’m sure the novelty will wear off but I gotta say, they are so handy for whipping down to the shops.
Honestly, I would rather buy the FluidFreeride Horizon cuz it has a two way suspension, higher top speed, and just a few miles short in max range. Plus it is only $700
Very happy to own TWO Gen1 G30 scooters.... combined 2,700 miles of low-maintenance riding (except for inflating tires and tightening folding-latch bolt). BEST MONEY I'VE EVER SPENT
Thanks for the comparison, it’s just what I was searching for the last week! I was going to go with the G30LP, but looks like the original max will fit me better. I’m 6’4”
For me the original is still the better option even if it’s more expensive. I use mine to go to work and usually charge there and then it’s convenient that you don’t have to carry that adapter around plus I like the longer range. Did 3300 km already on mine and loving it I have the front tire that’s getting flat after a day or two so I had to bring it in. That’s a bit of a pain I must say as they have to send it to Ninebot and it’s about 2-3 weeks. Nice video 👍
Wow, nice -- 3300 km! We are posting some high mileage scooters on the live show tomorrow -- if you want to be on there send us the image of your screen - We'd love to see it!
Tom, add 4oz of Green Slime tire sealant, on a valve core removed tire. Buy the Grade Two type, for motorcycles/autos.( not the grade 1 bicycle type ). I am in a Construction intense area, so nails have happened here. Grade 2 Slime seals them right up, at a nominal loss of 7-10psi. [ do not pull the nail out, unless tiny. Slime seals around it.] I keep my tires at 45psi, for maximum speeds, so I usually can't even tell if I hit a nail. I catch them in my weekly inspections after work. I use mine as my main Transport, and if you don't yet have suspension( F&R ) I highly recommend it !
One thing no one seems to mention regarding the weight of the older Ninebot Max is that it would seem that other than having to lift it to store in a car trunk, once you fold it down into a locked position, you should be able to pull it behind you rolling it on the front wheel holding the handle bars, and thus negating most weight concerns.
I got the G30LP a couple of weeks ago. I am pretty happy with my purchase as it was about 25% less than the G30. Had I seen this video first, I may have changed my mind, but the apparent down grade of features are not that important except for the lower range. That is hard one to swallow. Mostly it was a purchase to see if I really like the mode of transport. I do indeed. I'm really enjoying the freedom of these vehicles and I will be upgrading to a more higher end scooter and keep this one at a vacation home for the summers.
It’s turns out the battery casings are exactly the same length. So I’ll bet that Nordium will have some fat battery upgrades available for the LP before too long! -Paul from ESG
I did the same. Started on a Ninebot Max and went to a Wolf Warrior. I lend out the Ninebot a lot so I can go on rides with people, but even with the beast Wolf at hand (which I love) I really enjoy getting on the Ninebot and wafting along without the jerky power almost all beast scooters have no matter how good your throttle control. Also the Ninebot is half the weight of the Wolf, and that makes a nice change sometimes.
@@lukapaunov 68" and 9 It can handle bigger riders, but any serious hill will be slow going. I upgraded to Emove Cruiser and I would recommend that as a first scooter as it is much more versatile.
The older one was designed for rideshare hence why it’s more durable has a much further distance and better speed the newer one was designed to be a budget scooter with a slower speed less distance and features personally I would get the older scooter as it all around pretty durable nine mirror indestructible can be used in the rain within reason obviously don’t write it in a typhoon yes the G 30 costs more than the G 30 LP but you get what you pay for and the differences are worth it
Hey, I hope you guys talk about the difference between first and second generation motors, it makes a world of difference. Also Segway have marketed the G30LP to have a sturdier build. I have the G30LP and no stem wobble which seems to be an issue with the original Max over time. I would have preferred if I didn't have to carry around a brick all the time though. But I'm very happy with the scooter!!
I have been using the G30LP for two months, I'm impressed with it. I bought it to use on the golf course, I can easily get about 3 rounds from a single charge. It rides well on grass and gravel. I've used it off road and have also had no issues. The only thing I don't like is the charging port cap as it comes out too easily and the fender makes a rattling sounds at high speeds, I wish they added suspension as this would improve the overall quality of the ride offroad. I've tested it on steep hills and have had no issues. 30 km/h is also fast enough. Chuck, can you please comment on the differences in the motors between 1 and 2 in your review?
Range range range, after owning the max for 9 months it’s the most important thing when it comes to a scooter. The real range will be 35-40% LESS than the advertised range, people have to understand that. If you want a scooter that consistently goes 25+ miles you’ll need the real max. (41 mile range)
stability is the main thing that makes the ninebot max a scooter I would purchase... as soon as Chuck mentioned less stability I declared max still reigns the land of the ninebots
everyone people on facbook and instagram have bad reviews about these scooters and say their customer service is horrible. i hear alot of people are stuck with broken scooters and wont get a reply from Segway. Sucks cuz i was already convinced on buying one of these... im still hopeful!
Customer service definitely isn't going to be as good as from one of the US distributors like Apollo, Voro, or Fluidfreeride. The wait for parts and repairs is definitely longer from Segway Ninebot. On the plus side, the inital quality is really high. Right now, my favorite entry level scooter to ride is the Apollo Air Pro. -Paul
Who has had one more then 2000km? Please answer. How much in repairs in that time? Trying to figure out if cheaper then car. Thanks so much for answers!!!
Got old one when it just came out, it's almost perfect made arround 5000km on it allready, battery maybe got little less capable but still i can make thes 40km without any problems on Sport Mode. Changed wheel Bearings 2times i think front wheel bearing are not so reliable but it's cheap and easy to replace so i don't see an issue yet.
Segway is still making both models in 2022. G30LP is just the lite model of the G30P The specs are pretty much the same besides battery life and distance. But I heard the e45 is just as nice as the g30LP
@@Alex-ei6qr Via the part number printed on the motor hub, there's a difference in the end digit of the part number I cant remember exactly but that's what everyone is saying in forums. So you could always ask a seller for a used scooter for a picture of that part number first before you buy.
@@Alex-ei6qr Well most of the time people buy used if they don't have much money usually from scooter rental businesses they are upgraded to newer models. I got my ES2 with 300 miles on it for $200 which was insanely cheap back in 2019 when they were going for $649
I have the older, Gen 2 Model. I am a big guy, 6' & 230lbs, and even I find the older deck length limited at times. Buying today, I would NOT have bought the Max 30glp. I have begun customizing mine, suspension, trunk & tow hitch, all Finally Completed to MY Master Mechanic specifications.
likely 2nd gen because the kick stand is on the front instead of the rear, still doesn't explain why the G30P has a lower top speed than the G30LP. Both should be limited at 18.6mph and not 15mph.
i have early first gen of max.. it is amazing long range scooter that i use a lot on my long trips up to 70 kilometres.. 5000 kilometers with any problems so far.. and i carry 19 kilos on steps a lot... need to charge it somehow..no problems on light rain.. and i only drive it on ECO mode because of my long trips. and i like it that way.. we need ninebot max pro with more range
Got an Segway *Ninebot* *MAX* *G30E* *II* _(25kmh/65km),_ and i'm 85kg 182cm. Really nice scooter. Driven over 1400km on it. Its stil like new, not even a lose bolt or any puncture tire.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Forgot to say that real range for me in Sport mode are between 50-55km (i always ride in S mode). i'v got no major hills, biggest hight diff are like 40m. And have the regen brake on max, use it as my main brake.
Hey Chuck - Always appreciate your reviews. Happy new year. I just ordered the G30LP off Amazon this past Sunday. When I ordered it, it was $599.99 which is $200 less than the original G30. It hasn't arrived yet. Now I wonder if I should stick with it or somehow trade it for the original. I knew the height was a couple inches shorter and the range (listed) is 40 down to 25 on the G30LP which didn't matter to me. The deck being smaller and the charging brick now needed for the G30LP kinda was a blow to my excitement lol i wear a size 11 sneaker and am 5'10 so I really hope the size of the G30LP will still be comfortable to ride on for 10-15 miles at a time. Seems like the giddyup is faster on original but long distance the LP will win out. Think spending the extra $200 is worth trading it in when I get it? Just stinks because I thought just the wire to carry around would be way easier and I guess now I won't fit both my feet on the deck. The distance difference doesn't matter to me much especially since they both have same top speed. Thank you!
For me, at $100 difference, I’d get the original. At $200 off, I’d get the LP unless you really need the range. The LP deck doesn’t feel crowded at all to me (size 10 shoes), but the original Max does feel noticeably roomier. For some reason I really like the tiny bit of extra top speed on the G30LP. It’s hard to go wrong with either one. -Paul from ESG
@@RGrider311 I really appreciate that message, Paul. Thank you. Believe it or not I ordered the LP 2 days prior to it going back to the original $699.99 price. Glad to hear the deck isn’t too crowded. It probably is more annoying carrying the battery for the LP tho. Was hoping if I rode the LP I can put the battery the Original Max uses in a small pouch. Probably can’t do that with the battery for the LP. The extra top speed, don’t they go the same 18.6 mph top speed?
Hey Mate, I just recently bought the g30lp and it honestly fits me pretty well, although I’m 6’4, wear size 14 shoes and only 14 years old 😂, but yeah overall don’t worry to much on the deck being smaller and the hand bar height as well, I still think it’s a great scooter. Having to carry around a charger doesn’t really bother me at all, the actual rubber charging port can be annoying sometimes but it’s fine. Enjoy your scooter 👍😊.
The new G30LP has a Gen 2 motor. Does your Max have Gen 1 or Gen 2 when you did the comparison? I have the Gen 1 (naturally tweaked to go to 30kph) but my understanding is that the Gen 2 models' battery will drain evenly allowing you to keep constant speed until its almost drained. The Gen 1 models' speed decreases as the battery drains. I decided to go with the Max because I can eventually upgrade the rear wheel to a Gen 2 (brush-less motor) which will give me the constant continuous speed but still have overall far better distance with the larger battery (which can also be upgraded to go much faster and even further distance) :)
100% correct. The Gen 2 is also has a “guaranteed range” (so no range anxiety) and will maintain full power throughout unlike Gen 1 which will reduce power from 2/3 battery. That hill climb race should have been tried with half battery remaining - the Gen 2 would have smashed the Gen 1 (if it had the Gen1 motor of course).
Idk Segway is still making both models in 2022. G30LP is just the lite model of the G30P The specs are pretty much the same besides battery life and distance
Have there been any issues with tires breaking off? I literally just today had the back tire snap off my swagteon. Im only 165 lbs. Never buying swagtron again
Do you think there's a way to make Segway to produce and sell suspension for the ninebot g30 to individual customers as they do for the Voi ones? I know monorim and sharkset exist, but I find them ugly.
This just shows some companies try to sell the New one as better but usually start cheaping out and charging more money for a product that isn’t as good
Full review should drop this coming Tuesday and it will be the main topic for our live show this coming Tuesday as well. Feel free to tune in and ask any questions.
Damn that scared me... I’m buying a ninebot max soon... I didn’t know there was a new one. Thought I was gonna have to buy the newer one but nah I’m still buying the older one.
there is a MAXG30 II model out (2021) with some differences from original MAX. Has second gen motor, different rear light and reflectors also rear wheel fender. Anyone had a chance to test Vs the old MAXG30 or the MAXG30LP ?
We haven't. Our Max is definitely a gen 1 motor. The main difference will be that the Gen 2 motor keeps a higher top speed longer, as the battery discharges. I would love to swap a Gen 2 into our G30 and re-test! -Paul
Great review. Ninebot has a new F40 comes out 2 month ago with similar specs and price comepare to max G30LP but with front wheel driver. Which one do you recommand? I am bit confused in my choice between front driver and rear wheel driver.
Hey Chuck, 1st time buyer & new to the sport.. Thks to you & your vids & guide + your crew. I'm going with the Mantis pro, instead of Apollo Pro... Range & all around features, made decision not to difficult. However the lack of weather resistance on Mantis & 1port charges scares me a tad..
Thank you John. This is a great idea. We have an ES4 and an ES22, but not an ES45 yet. I really like the idea of a comparison because the ES2 vs ES22 is a night and day difference! I don't care for the ES2 at all, but the E22 is actually pretty nice to ride and I'll bet the ES45 is better in a similar way. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the reply! I was just wondering because my Costco sells the es3 plus which is an es4 clone made just for Costco for 580 dollars but segway was selling the es45 for 720 dollars for memorial day weekend sale. Costco is cheaper and has a 3month return policy on electronics that i dont have to mail anything (just bring to store) in case there is a defect in those 3 months. But was just curious if perhaps the es45 is immensely better to justify paying 140$ more and not having the costco reliability.
Hey guys, a friend of mine rode my scooter, I didnt know he is actually 112 KG, im now scared, I dont know if he damaged the system cause he is Over the maximum weight. Do you guys have any experience about this? I feel the scooter going well, no difference after he rode it, but I still thinking about it
They don't just suddenly break because someone is a little over the rated limit. You'll get more force happening from jumping off curbs or hitting large bumps
For ME, the original Ninebot Max is the ultimate scooter in its class. Making the deck smaller and the stem shorter helps no one. The only thing they could have done as an upgrade, is to make it dual motor. This scooter needs nothing else. It’s great as is ! 🛴👍🏽😃
awesome review chuck like always best scooter reviewer segway scooter are amazing just wish they had fast charging avaible to compensate for battery life!!!
Ours has a tested top speed of 17.8 mph. That's with a 1st generation motor. G30's with Gen 2 motors maintain speed better as the battery gets lower, and I think they may also have a slightly higher top speed (maybe 1mph faster) -Paul
Classic example of companies making inferior product due to cost of inflation. Call it "next gen" but only give 50% range of older gen scooter for 80% of price. Really gives you incentive to switch to Niu who isn't pulling this trickery.
Why did Ninebot go completely backwards in everything? Not promising for future models...also it's the Max for a reason of being the maximum potential, not so much portability. Maybe it was done for shorter riders who don't need the increased range but I dunno, the original is still better imo
The G30 is perfect in every way, except for, Speed, Suspension, Speed, Suspension, Breaking, Speed, Torque, Suspension, Speed, Acceleration, Fun, Speed, Did I mention it was dangerously slow? On the plus side, you can fall asleep on the "segway" ninebot Max G30. It's that slow and boring.
@@reesecollins482 The Max is great, perfect in every way other than suspension and speed. They are a high quality product, just slow, and a bit stiff in the old ride department. I'd pay 3 times the price of a Max for a performance scoot with the same quality.
It seems like you need a car sir lol are you using the scooter for the highway? Electric scooters are really popular on campus at University you know the small stuff
@@jaedevrick Naah, I've got way too many cars (and motorcycles) already. Just want a ninebot G30 quality performance scooter, for now the Wolf Warrior X plus will have to do, it's just not Honda/Yamaha quality. The segway ninebot is approaching Japanese quality I'd suggest. Just no performance.
Agreed, ninebot messed up badly by strongly impling this was an upgrade of the original which it clearly is not. Should have changed the model name to Max mini or Max light.
The bigger battery from the first model actually is a direct plug in to the 2nd model..the physical size of the battery is identical, so you can get the same range as the original but in a smaller size scooter
@@patrickfischer5385 its same with laptops and desktops, power supply is inside desktop pc, while laptops has that giant brick that is connected on wire. Same with scooters, power supply battery is inside scooter and newer one has brick outside on the cord.
At first i bought the G30LE because it was a bit cheaper but after watching this video i cancelled the order and bought the G30. It only cost me 80EUR more. Literally, the G30LE is a pretty big downgrade for almost the same price. It's smaller, it has significantly less range and the charging port is flimsy. I don't know what Segway was thinking, in my opinion the price should be way less for it to be even considered as a smaller successor.
Typical pricing on the new Max (G30LP) is $699: geni.us/4LcB8B, while the original Ninebot Max (G30) typically sells for $799: geni.us/rhkI
in dubai the 30glp is 435$ so do i get it
can you help us clear the error 15 codes off our ninebot max g30p please
does anyone know how to clear the error code 15 off our ninebot max g30p scooters
Personally I think the old one it's better and the fact that I am a 1,90M toll boy still under 18 ears old I wish that even the old one would bee around 15 cm toller I belive to be at the size of my chest
@@davidhuber9418 yeah. Dump the scooter in a lake... Segway makes junk now.
NYC resident here. I have had 4 escooters/PEVs in the last 3 months. The first was the Gotrax elite which was wayyy too slow and small (I’m 6’ 175 lbs). The second was the G30 LP. I figured it had the same top speed (18.6 mph) as the original, 24 mile range, but cost $200 less, so I bought it. The true range turned out to be around 16 miles, and it stalled on the first hill! Third was the Emove Cruiser, which I loved in every way, except the most important way: the acceleration. On the Emove Cruiser, acceleration was twitchy and jerky with huge dead space in the throttle and I didn’t feel it was safe for NYC streets and traffic. Now I have the original Ninebot Max G30 and it feels like the best I can get for now. The acceleration, handling, and torque are great, but I wish the top speed were closer to 30 mph and that there was some sort of true suspension. I’m not sure the escooter I am looking for exists today, but until then, the original Ninebot Max serves me well.
FYI, I see many reviews stating the Max loses top speed at 80% battery, and that’s not true for me. I am able to hit ~19 mph well below 80% battery.
experiment with some CFW (custom firmware) on the G30 and you will be pleasantly surprised! (I managed +10% throttle-response, +20% Power... increasing 700W >> 880W max output all without overheating the motor and only losing 3-4 miles Range)
@@ckaminsk what app? And do you need an android phone for any of this or will iPhones work?
get the Varla dual motor scooter
The gen 2 motor Max (original) can keep speed longer.
You can also buy suspension 3rd party for this scooter
@@ckaminsk I've dabbled with some cfw on my e25e using both the xiaomi app and the xaio flasher app with good results so far but the temps were alot higher than I wanted so knocked them back down. Only. Issue is it still doesn't really help On hills for my e25e. I feel like they've capped it so that you buy the external battery which is abit Shady. Maybe the battery mod will. Help support the fw I've removed but I think the motor will Still run hot. I was getting 22mph but temps were around 50c + compared to 22 standard
Sounds like cost cutting is in play here.
Probably a bit of that and a bit of a response to those people who thought it was too large.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide don't they already make the 365 and the 365 pro for people who need a lighter one? I mean Xiaomi owns Ninebot
@@Goodman-4525 I'm happy with my nine bot if I can get a small
generator I can get up to 60 miles that's fine for Miami.
when the battery runs out I'll order a new one along with tires.
@@raybon7939 I'm going to be moving out to Miami, specifically coral gables for grad school.. Hoping to live within no more than a 5 mile radius of the school. Do you recommend the ninebot max or max G30LP version? Thanks!
@@Ringosbackup for what you just told me if stays like that , just 5 miles around the gables or even ten miles , you can use the nine bot for decades not months, there absolutely no where you would not be able to go,
The areas there are little Havana gables coconut Grove Westchester downtown the nine bot would be able to travel
From the gables to the Grove up to little Havana downtown back to the gables Prob on the same charge.
Reason I say that is your prob under age 35 so your weight is prob 175 to 195 at that range
You'll get 20 miles with half the battery left over
I'm 235 pounds
And I would get 18 miles.
But there would no reason for you to go to little Havana except for Cuban food.
South beach I think
If you went no where else
And back it would make it,
Downtown is the party sceene you'll be going there alot,
Kendal there's little reason for you to go Kendal Pinecrest less it's like
Dinner , or friends house
Also gables south, has a walk way no cars just for bikes and electric pev that extends miles,
And even if you couldn't, the bus and metro allows nine bot on the bus and metro.
The bus system is excellent,
Why can't they release the Ninebot Max Plus to consumers already? We want upgrades, not downgrades.
The G30P Max the Larger is now out
Is this a new version of the G30P? Because the G30P is the exact same scooter except for a 5 km/h higher top speed. That is not enough. I want to see dual shocks, dual brakes, better ground clearance and fully internal cable routing in a new Ninebot model.
Got my new one today. I ride a cruiser and I think I’m having more fun on the scooter. I’m sure the novelty will wear off but I gotta say, they are so handy for whipping down to the shops.
Well said!
Watched dozens of videos on scooters the last few months, just pulled the trigger on the nine bot max g30 Thanks for all the info 👍🏽
Thanx
Honestly, I would rather buy the FluidFreeride Horizon cuz it has a two way suspension, higher top speed, and just a few miles short in max range. Plus it is only $700
Very happy to own TWO Gen1 G30 scooters.... combined 2,700 miles of low-maintenance riding (except for inflating tires and tightening folding-latch bolt). BEST MONEY I'VE EVER SPENT
Where does this g30p fit in?
Im getting the old one now lol
Yep exactly just got one really like it
Me too
I'm a simple man. I see a new Electric Scooter Guide video, I click it.
You are a simple man with that stupid line alright
Thanks for the comparison, it’s just what I was searching for the last week! I was going to go with the G30LP, but looks like the original max will fit me better. I’m 6’4”
Absolutely get the original Max if you are 6'4"
Get the G30P! It's the global addiction ;) 30kmh.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide do you guys have the version 2? The serial number apparently starts with a 9!
But here in Australia.. we call it the G30P!
@@8drifit You can still get the 30 km/h if you simply change the region to USA in the xiaomi flasher app.
C, I am 6 feet, 230lbs myself. Definite go the older, Gen 2 type. Add F & R suspension as well.
They are crazy to remove the high line option which people choose it for.
They didn’t remove it the new version the g30(L)p is the lite version that’s all
For me the original is still the better option even if it’s more expensive. I use mine to go to work and usually charge there and then it’s convenient that you don’t have to carry that adapter around plus I like the longer range. Did 3300 km already on mine and loving it
I have the front tire that’s getting flat after a day or two so I had to bring it in. That’s a bit of a pain I must say as they have to send it to Ninebot and it’s about 2-3 weeks.
Nice video 👍
Wow, nice -- 3300 km! We are posting some high mileage scooters on the live show tomorrow -- if you want to be on there send us the image of your screen - We'd love to see it!
I filled my front and rear tires with tubeless sealant through the stem and it worked like a charm
@@devious-1 Right but when you have to change the tube
it'll be a nasty mess & clean up for an hour or so!!!
Tom, add 4oz of Green Slime tire sealant, on a valve core removed tire. Buy the Grade Two type, for motorcycles/autos.( not the grade 1 bicycle type ). I am in a Construction intense area, so nails have happened here. Grade 2 Slime seals them right up, at a nominal loss of 7-10psi. [ do not pull the nail out, unless tiny. Slime seals around it.] I keep my tires at 45psi, for maximum speeds, so I usually can't even tell if I hit a nail. I catch them in my weekly inspections after work. I use mine as my main Transport, and if you don't yet have suspension( F&R ) I highly recommend it !
@@rexluminus9867 Did you fail to read his comment ? "Tubeless" was a clue....
One thing no one seems to mention regarding the weight of the older Ninebot Max is that it would seem that other than having to lift it to store in a car trunk, once you fold it down into a locked position, you should be able to pull it behind you rolling it on the front wheel holding the handle bars, and thus negating most weight concerns.
Thanks for the input
I got the G30LP a couple of weeks ago. I am pretty happy with my purchase as it was about 25% less than the G30. Had I seen this video first, I may have changed my mind, but the apparent down grade of features are not that important except for the lower range. That is hard one to swallow.
Mostly it was a purchase to see if I really like the mode of transport. I do indeed. I'm really enjoying the freedom of these vehicles and I will be upgrading to a more higher end scooter and keep this one at a vacation home for the summers.
It’s turns out the battery casings are exactly the same length. So I’ll bet that Nordium will have some fat battery upgrades available for the LP before too long! -Paul from ESG
I did the same. Started on a Ninebot Max and went to a Wolf Warrior. I lend out the Ninebot a lot so I can go on rides with people, but even with the beast Wolf at hand (which I love) I really enjoy getting on the Ninebot and wafting along without the jerky power almost all beast scooters have no matter how good your throttle control. Also the Ninebot is half the weight of the Wolf, and that makes a nice change sometimes.
Thanx
Hey what is your height and foot size? I am afraid that g30 le is to small for me
@@lukapaunov 68" and 9 It can handle bigger riders, but any serious hill will be slow going. I upgraded to Emove Cruiser and I would recommend that as a first scooter as it is much more versatile.
The older one was designed for rideshare hence why it’s more durable has a much further distance and better speed the newer one was designed to be a budget scooter with a slower speed less distance and features personally I would get the older scooter as it all around pretty durable nine mirror indestructible can be used in the rain within reason obviously don’t write it in a typhoon yes the G 30 costs more than the G 30 LP but you get what you pay for and the differences are worth it
Well said! -Paul
Hey, I hope you guys talk about the difference between first and second generation motors, it makes a world of difference. Also Segway have marketed the G30LP to have a sturdier build. I have the G30LP and no stem wobble which seems to be an issue with the original Max over time. I would have preferred if I didn't have to carry around a brick all the time though. But I'm very happy with the scooter!!
We are going over the different motors in our Deep Dive tomorrow night. ruclips.net/video/MbrO5Mu1k1A/видео.html
Nice! Can't wait!
Pretty sure if the new model had a brick included you would barely get 16 miles out of it. For that weight of scooter its still pretty low.
@@jlcain100 I only use it to get to work and back and shopping etc.. and it covers all of it so no complaints
@@jlcain100 Is it 65km model?. Mine does around 50-55km (Drive always in 'Sport' mode). I'm 85kg and 182cm.
I have been using the G30LP for two months, I'm impressed with it. I bought it to use on the golf course, I can easily get about 3 rounds from a single charge. It rides well on grass and gravel. I've used it off road and have also had no issues. The only thing I don't like is the charging port cap as it comes out too easily and the fender makes a rattling sounds at high speeds, I wish they added suspension as this would improve the overall quality of the ride offroad. I've tested it on steep hills and have had no issues. 30 km/h is also fast enough. Chuck, can you please comment on the differences in the motors between 1 and 2 in your review?
Wanna buy one rn just for rainy days i cant take my 2000$ scooter out, did u ever ride it in rain and how did it do?
What is your height and foot size? I am afraid that g30lp would be to small for me
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Oh it does great in the rain like pouring rain i was scared at first until i was at work and had to ride it back home it its good
Range range range, after owning the max for 9 months it’s the most important thing when it comes to a scooter. The real range will be 35-40% LESS than the advertised range, people have to understand that. If you want a scooter that consistently goes 25+ miles you’ll need the real max. (41 mile range)
stability is the main thing that makes the ninebot max a scooter I would purchase... as soon as Chuck mentioned less stability I declared max still reigns the land of the ninebots
@Sativa "less responsive than than a 9-bot" is a proper euphemism describing the mother of my childn an' performance in adult situations
everyone people on facbook and instagram have bad reviews about these scooters and say their
customer service is horrible. i hear alot of people are stuck with
broken scooters and wont get a reply from Segway. Sucks cuz i was
already convinced on buying one of these... im still hopeful!
Customer service definitely isn't going to be as good as from one of the US distributors like Apollo, Voro, or Fluidfreeride. The wait for parts and repairs is definitely longer from Segway Ninebot. On the plus side, the inital quality is really high. Right now, my favorite entry level scooter to ride is the Apollo Air Pro. -Paul
Who has had one more then 2000km? Please answer. How much in repairs in that time? Trying to figure out if cheaper then car. Thanks so much for answers!!!
I get over 20 miles of range on my newer Version and the Box says it has 24.9mile in it to go with weight variation
Got old one when it just came out, it's almost perfect made arround 5000km on it allready, battery maybe got little less capable but still i can make thes 40km without any problems on Sport Mode. Changed wheel Bearings 2times i think front wheel bearing are not so reliable but it's cheap and easy to replace so i don't see an issue yet.
That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Distance comparison f2 pro and g30 gen 2? I can't find your information on the g30 gen 2.
Do you guys know what the difference is between the older max G30 and the max G30E II?
So is the black one worth it?
How user serviceable is this model? And what’s the availability of replacement parts?
I'm 5'4 and I still prefer the length of the Max's deck. Because of my old ES1 though, I'm totally used to smaller/shorter decks.
Man, they really took some steps backwards with the newer model. Thanks for the review and comparison.
Thanks for watching! -Vosk
Which one is better the ninebot e45 or the ninebot g30lp about the acceleration . the weight . smother ride . the braking and climbing .?
Segway is still making both models in 2022. G30LP is just the lite model of the G30P The specs are pretty much the same besides battery life and distance. But I heard the e45 is just as nice as the g30LP
Also worth mentioning is that the Older max now has the Generation 2 motor for 10% faster acceleration than the previous generation
Can you tell visually if its gen 1 or 2, or what questions to ask when buying online?
@@Alex-ei6qr Via the part number printed on the motor hub, there's a difference in the end digit of the part number I cant remember exactly but that's what everyone is saying in forums. So you could always ask a seller for a used scooter for a picture of that part number first before you buy.
@@cameraman1234567890 Thanks for the reply. Suppose all new ones will be gen 2, unless old stock was found hidden in a warehouse, which is unlikely.
@@Alex-ei6qr Well most of the time people buy used if they don't have much money usually from scooter rental businesses they are upgraded to newer models. I got my ES2 with 300 miles on it for $200 which was insanely cheap back in 2019 when they were going for $649
I have the older, Gen 2 Model. I am a big guy, 6' & 230lbs, and even I find the older deck length limited at times. Buying today, I would NOT have bought the Max 30glp. I have begun customizing mine, suspension, trunk & tow hitch, all Finally Completed to MY Master Mechanic specifications.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. -Vosk
Was this a 1st generation or 2nd generation motor on the original Max?
likely 2nd gen because the kick stand is on the front instead of the rear, still doesn't explain why the G30P has a lower top speed than the G30LP. Both should be limited at 18.6mph and not 15mph.
i have early first gen of max.. it is amazing long range scooter that i use a lot on my long trips up to 70 kilometres.. 5000 kilometers with any problems so far.. and i carry 19 kilos on steps a lot... need to charge it somehow..no problems on light rain.. and i only drive it on ECO mode because of my long trips. and i like it that way.. we need ninebot max pro with more range
I'm going for the P100S when it drops. Even if it's $2000AUD
Great video. Iam getting me the max one long range. Now at least i know what the difference between them both and the max is the best for range
Why would they make it smaller?
Dope video! Just got my Ninebot Max 2 days ago, and I'm glad I did!!! Shouts from Toronto! :)
Just in time for the idiots at City Hall to institute draconian anti-environmental scooter laws.
@@HD613YOW Whaaat nooo. They made changes?
Got an Segway *Ninebot* *MAX* *G30E* *II* _(25kmh/65km),_ and i'm 85kg 182cm. Really nice scooter.
Driven over 1400km on it.
Its stil like new, not even a lose bolt or any puncture tire.
Very insightful! Thanks for sharing.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Forgot to say that real range for me in Sport mode are between 50-55km (i always ride in S mode). i'v got no major hills, biggest hight diff are like 40m. And have the regen brake on max, use it as my main brake.
Hey Chuck - Always appreciate your reviews. Happy new year. I just ordered the G30LP off Amazon this past Sunday. When I ordered it, it was $599.99 which is $200 less than the original G30. It hasn't arrived yet. Now I wonder if I should stick with it or somehow trade it for the original. I knew the height was a couple inches shorter and the range (listed) is 40 down to 25 on the G30LP which didn't matter to me. The deck being smaller and the charging brick now needed for the G30LP kinda was a blow to my excitement lol i wear a size 11 sneaker and am 5'10 so I really hope the size of the G30LP will still be comfortable to ride on for 10-15 miles at a time. Seems like the giddyup is faster on original but long distance the LP will win out. Think spending the extra $200 is worth trading it in when I get it? Just stinks because I thought just the wire to carry around would be way easier and I guess now I won't fit both my feet on the deck. The distance difference doesn't matter to me much especially since they both have same top speed. Thank you!
For me, at $100 difference, I’d get the original. At $200 off, I’d get the LP unless you really need the range. The LP deck doesn’t feel crowded at all to me (size 10 shoes), but the original Max does feel noticeably roomier. For some reason I really like the tiny bit of extra top speed on the G30LP. It’s hard to go wrong with either one. -Paul from ESG
@@RGrider311 I really appreciate that message, Paul. Thank you. Believe it or not I ordered the LP 2 days prior to it going back to the original $699.99 price. Glad to hear the deck isn’t too crowded. It probably is more annoying carrying the battery for the LP tho. Was hoping if I rode the LP I can put the battery the Original Max uses in a small pouch. Probably can’t do that with the battery for the LP. The extra top speed, don’t they go the same 18.6 mph top speed?
@@playboy2323 Look for an aftermarket charger(due diligence) that fits in stem pouch.
Hey Mate, I just recently bought the g30lp and it honestly fits me pretty well, although I’m 6’4, wear size 14 shoes and only 14 years old 😂, but yeah overall don’t worry to much on the deck being smaller and the hand bar height as well, I still think it’s a great scooter. Having to carry around a charger doesn’t really bother me at all, the actual rubber charging port can be annoying sometimes but it’s fine. Enjoy your scooter 👍😊.
The new G30LP has a Gen 2 motor. Does your Max have Gen 1 or Gen 2 when you did the comparison? I have the Gen 1 (naturally tweaked to go to 30kph) but my understanding is that the Gen 2 models' battery will drain evenly allowing you to keep constant speed until its almost drained. The Gen 1 models' speed decreases as the battery drains. I decided to go with the Max because I can eventually upgrade the rear wheel to a Gen 2 (brush-less motor) which will give me the constant continuous speed but still have overall far better distance with the larger battery (which can also be upgraded to go much faster and even further distance) :)
100% correct. The Gen 2 is also has a “guaranteed range” (so no range anxiety) and will maintain full power throughout unlike Gen 1 which will reduce power from 2/3 battery. That hill climb race should have been tried with half battery remaining - the Gen 2 would have smashed the Gen 1 (if it had the Gen1 motor of course).
Our original Max is a Gen1 motor. The new G30LP does a remarkable job of maintaining speed throughout almost the entire battery. -Paul from ESG
@@RGrider311 Thanks Paul.
I just bought a second hand G30 with gen 1 motor and i have not noticed decreased power as the battery drains?
Idk Segway is still making both models in 2022. G30LP is just the lite model of the G30P The specs are pretty much the same besides battery life and distance
and they drop the price by 2/3?
So the new one is cheaper 🤔
More like they dropped the price by around 13%
The new one is 600 at best buy
Hello! I am new to e-scooters! I just can't decide between the Ninebot G30 max LP or the xioami m365 pro 2 . Which one would you recommend? thanks!
Hello. Nice Video. Very useful. Wich would you buy right now, KQi3 Pro or G30Lp? I would like to know your opinion. Thks
We would go with the Niu! -Vosk
May i please ask your opinion. On kugoo g max?
Have there been any issues with tires breaking off?
I literally just today had the back tire snap off my swagteon. Im only 165 lbs. Never buying swagtron again
Wow! That's terrible. Where did the Swagtron break? Axle, frame? the wheel itself? Which model of Swagtron was it?
-Paul
Do you think there's a way to make Segway to produce and sell suspension for the ninebot g30 to individual customers as they do for the Voi ones?
I know monorim and sharkset exist, but I find them ugly.
Suspensions are available everywhere now. Amazon for starters.
please do an update vs the new segway f40 vs ninebot max
Which is good to buy. Xiaomi 1s or the new max(G30lp)
If you need lighter weight (or you are under 180lbs) then go with the Xiaomi, but for better durability and if you are over 180lbs I'd go for the Max.
The G30 has more power, bigger wheels and the motor is in the rear wheel
This just shows some companies try to sell the New one as better but usually start cheaping out and charging more money for a product that isn’t as good
are they airline or TSA approved?
It looks like things really went downhill - ok for a kid’s play toy but there are far better small scooters! Looking forward to the real review!
Full review should drop this coming Tuesday and it will be the main topic for our live show this coming Tuesday as well. Feel free to tune in and ask any questions.
Please make review video ninebot max g30 vs new ninebot f40 thank you
Excellent Video. Thank you so much for this video.
Glad it was helpful!
The new one G30(L)P The letter (L) stands for lite! Light weight etc…
Great review. Just what I needed.
Thanks so much!
Подскажите можно ли на 30lp поставить батарею от обычного Макса на 15300 амперчасов, по размерам она один в один
Damn that scared me... I’m buying a ninebot max soon... I didn’t know there was a new one. Thought I was gonna have to buy the newer one but nah I’m still buying the older one.
The original G30 is hard to improve on! -Paul
The original g30 has been updated slightly with gen 2 motor etc. Seems like the LP version is for small and Light People
there is a MAXG30 II model out (2021) with some differences from original MAX. Has second gen motor, different rear light and reflectors also rear wheel fender. Anyone had a chance to test Vs the old MAXG30 or the MAXG30LP ?
We haven't. Our Max is definitely a gen 1 motor. The main difference will be that the Gen 2 motor keeps a higher top speed longer, as the battery discharges. I would love to swap a Gen 2 into our G30 and re-test! -Paul
Great review. Ninebot has a new F40 comes out 2 month ago with similar specs and price comepare to max G30LP but with front wheel driver. Which one do you recommand? I am bit confused in my choice between front driver and rear wheel driver.
Rear wheel drive is safer.
Hey Chuck, 1st time buyer & new to the sport..
Thks to you & your vids & guide + your crew.
I'm going with the Mantis pro, instead of Apollo Pro...
Range & all around features, made decision not to difficult. However the lack of weather resistance on Mantis & 1port charges scares me a tad..
Witch is better i cant deside max g30le or segway f40e you know ?
G30LE
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide why ?
I thinks its a lot smaler scoter
hear a question is the g30lp faster than the g30p?
They are about the same! -Vosk
Hi, the new g30lp has quite same speed and range compare to es4, while es4 is cheaper than g30lp
Can you do a differences between ninebot es4 and ninebot es45?
Thank you John. This is a great idea. We have an ES4 and an ES22, but not an ES45 yet. I really like the idea of a comparison because the ES2 vs ES22 is a night and day difference! I don't care for the ES2 at all, but the E22 is actually pretty nice to ride and I'll bet the ES45 is better in a similar way. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for the reply! I was just wondering because my Costco sells the es3 plus which is an es4 clone made just for Costco for 580 dollars but segway was selling the es45 for 720 dollars for memorial day weekend sale. Costco is cheaper and has a 3month return policy on electronics that i dont have to mail anything (just bring to store) in case there is a defect in those 3 months. But was just curious if perhaps the es45 is immensely better to justify paying 140$ more and not having the costco reliability.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide il definitely check out your es2 v es22 video to try and get an idea.
Hey guys, a friend of mine rode my scooter, I didnt know he is actually 112 KG, im now scared, I dont know if he damaged the system cause he is Over the maximum weight. Do you guys have any experience about this?
I feel the scooter going well, no difference after he rode it, but I still thinking about it
Should be fine my friend weighs 245lbs and has ridden mine numerous times no issues
They don't just suddenly break because someone is a little over the rated limit. You'll get more force happening from jumping off curbs or hitting large bumps
I got the new Ninebot I like I’m buying the the zero10x soon
Wow I'm so glad I watched this I'm getting ready to get it and I was getting the new one but now I think I'm getting the old one can't wait
Enjoy
Can you review the hero s8 plz
this isn't a replacement for the older model the g30lp is your cheaper option
For ME, the original Ninebot Max is the ultimate scooter in its class. Making the deck smaller and the stem shorter helps no one. The only thing they could have done as an upgrade, is to make it dual motor. This scooter needs nothing else. It’s great as is ! 🛴👍🏽😃
We think so too -- the original Max is one of the best all-around scooters in the world -- certainly the most dependable and safest.
Dual motors would be killer on the Max. Ninebot unfortunately will never do something that cool.
thank you for this comparison.
what is the difference ninebot max g30 lp from le ??
I believe the G30LE is the european spec version of the G30LP. From what I can tell, it's the same, but with a 5km/h lower top speed.
Electric Scooter Guide thanks xD
great video!
Great video! I appreciate it 👍
After watching this video, I decided to go with an older scooter
awesome review chuck like always best scooter reviewer segway scooter are amazing just wish they had fast charging avaible to compensate for battery life!!!
Thank you, I was trying to understand why the newer one was cheaper…
I want to ask you how much weight you carry
What do you mean ?
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I want to tell you, can this scooter carry 108 kg ninebot max g30
what about the g30ld?
We don’t have that one
If the price of the new model is less than the old model...then fair enough.
but it sacrafices battery life.
The newer model is $100 cheaper than the older one.
but the cut is worth more than 100
How fast is the original?(top speed)
Ours has a tested top speed of 17.8 mph. That's with a 1st generation motor. G30's with Gen 2 motors maintain speed better as the battery gets lower, and I think they may also have a slightly higher top speed (maybe 1mph faster) -Paul
Segwey: if your old Max wasnt slow enough for you, we made sure this one is!
I have the escooto max copy of this and it is identical in every way power looks handling and lasts , £379
Enjoy your scooter
I’m 6’4 and the newer one works fine.
Nice! Thanks for the feedback.
Glad I have the older one.
Both are awesome! -Vosk
Classic example of companies making inferior product due to cost of inflation. Call it "next gen" but only give 50% range of older gen scooter for 80% of price. Really gives you incentive to switch to Niu who isn't pulling this trickery.
Thanks for the feedback
does fast charger works on the new one ?
So the new one is essentially shit, looking at replacing my E2 perhaps I am just done with Segway
What are you getting?
@@FighterChamp. Came back to Segway Maxs, also fell of my scooter and broke my arm, so lucky me
@Sativa Back to the hood yank
I make the Turbo +5 speed booster for these
Why did Ninebot go completely backwards in everything? Not promising for future models...also it's the Max for a reason of being the maximum potential, not so much portability. Maybe it was done for shorter riders who don't need the increased range but I dunno, the original is still better imo
Yea - Segway is making a ton of models of all different sizes. Not 100% sure on their strategy.
The G30LP is the lite model of the g30p is not a Replacement
The G30 is perfect in every way, except for,
Speed,
Suspension,
Speed,
Suspension,
Breaking,
Speed,
Torque,
Suspension,
Speed,
Acceleration,
Fun,
Speed,
Did I mention it was dangerously slow?
On the plus side, you can fall asleep on the "segway" ninebot Max G30. It's that slow and boring.
can you link me a scooter that does everything the max does but for cheaper? i can't find anything better for the price.
@@reesecollins482 The Max is great, perfect in every way other than suspension and speed. They are a high quality product, just slow, and a bit stiff in the old ride department.
I'd pay 3 times the price of a Max for a performance scoot with the same quality.
@@MrWilliam.Stewart it's still cheaper to upgrade the suspension and hack/upgrade to 48v than buy some overpriced shit for 3000$ imo
It seems like you need a car sir lol are you using the scooter for the highway? Electric scooters are really popular on campus at University you know the small stuff
@@jaedevrick Naah, I've got way too many cars (and motorcycles) already. Just want a ninebot G30 quality performance scooter, for now the Wolf Warrior X plus will have to do, it's just not Honda/Yamaha quality. The segway ninebot is approaching Japanese quality I'd suggest. Just no performance.
The idea of releasing a new scooter is to make it better, not worse Segway.
Agreed, ninebot messed up badly by strongly impling this was an upgrade of the original which it clearly is not. Should have changed the model name to Max mini or Max light.
The scooter was not supposed to be better the Letter L in G30LP stand for lite. Is just the lighter version of the g30p
G my old one is looking good. They have gone to shit to try to cut cost.
Thank you so much
Thanks for watching! Appreciated.
The bigger battery from the first model actually is a direct plug in to the 2nd model..the physical size of the battery is identical, so you can get the same range as the original but in a smaller size scooter
Really? How?
@@patrickfischer5385 its same with laptops and desktops, power supply is inside desktop pc, while laptops has that giant brick that is connected on wire. Same with scooters, power supply battery is inside scooter and newer one has brick outside on the cord.
At first i bought the G30LE because it was a bit cheaper but after watching this video i cancelled the order and bought the G30. It only cost me 80EUR more. Literally, the G30LE is a pretty big downgrade for almost the same price. It's smaller, it has significantly less range and the charging port is flimsy. I don't know what Segway was thinking, in my opinion the price should be way less for it to be even considered as a smaller successor.
@Sativa yeah, different prices in the States vs Europe.
I picked up the old version for 120
Awesome!
120 kg...can ride?
I think it is okay, these things are tanks.
ARTHUR MOY IN CULPEPER VIRGINIA KINDA LIKE IT
Ninebot Max G30P Version 2 is what you want, not the LP as its smaller and the P is Larger