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One of the best passages for the Word of the LORD appears in 1Kings 19 where Elijah meets The Messenger who feeds him, the Word who speaks to him when he gets to the mountain of God, and then the LORD who questions him after the Word tells him to stand before the LORD. All three appear in that chapter.
Revelations 19: 12-13 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
I would say that there was something in the still small voice that was not present in the other interactions. Sometimes God allows a part of his essence or attributes to travel through his voice. It’s very rare, but when it happens, you KNOW who’s speaking in a way that ordinary words can not convey. You can live or die on the reality of that type of deep revelation.
I have always been fond of the one I just posted... In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God... it pretty much sums up what and who The Word is.
absolutely agree! John is a master theologian and ties the hopes of the Hebrew Scriptures into the culmination of YHWH coming in the flesh, modeling the image of God perfectly (showing what true humanity is all about), to conquer the power of the serpent on the cross & bring about the new creation! Which God spoke in Genesis 1, by HIS WORD!
It makes sense that he'd use existing Jewish concepts, but he'd also have to be aware that the gentile audience is going to approach it with Greek philosophy in mind (particularly Heraclitus's use of the term as the mind behind the universe, not Aristotle's use as mere logic). Greek has multiple words for "word" that John could have used instead, some of which could elaborated on not-yet spelled-out finer points of Christology. Specifically choosing Logos would have told the (Hellenistic) Jewish audience "the Word as described in Philo" and the Gentile audience "our God is not some mere Olympian but the foundation of being itself."
@@abyssimus yeah, like Paul using a pagan altar to lead into the point he wanted to make. It makes sense to use what your audience is familiar with as a jumping off point
John 8 42 neither came I of my self but he sent me. Kjv so of Jesus is God then he did come of himself and he is telling a lie. Why do you have faith in God to save you if he lies? John 7 16 my doctrine is not mine but his that sent me. ... so if Jesus is God then who's doctrine is he teaching? Ask your self why you teach God lies so much . I look at the trinity chart and it says Jesus is God . The trinity is so easy to make fun of its false teaching
One of the best biblical teachers of our times. I’m so grateful to have be lead to Dr Heiser’s teaching, through a friend before he passed on to be with the Lord.
I picked up on this a while ago in my studies. It certainly adds a whole new understanding of how Yeshua was working throughout the Old Testament history. Amazing stuff
@cptarchangel257 Yes and Paul also said that the Old Testament spoke of us future saints as well. Even Daniel speaks of us. But my question, to be more specific, is where in the New Testament did they ever say Christ was *literally* in the Old Testament. For example, though the saints are prophecied and spoken of and pointed toward in the Old Testament we were hardly around during those ancient times
@@youngknowledgeseeker when muslims ask Christians where did Jesus say " I am God,Worship Me" as we know thats not how Jesus said to His deciples and showed His desciples that He was God. So, Jesus did not explicitly say where He was in the Old Testament but we can see wherever you see , ANGEL OF THE LORD, Word of the lord in the OT, it was Jesus. Below are some of the verses in OT, showing Trinity or Jesus. Isaiah 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me. Genesis 19:1-2 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” Daniel 10). Luke 2:8-15 Angel of the Lord Gen 32:1-2, Gen 16:7-10, 11-12, Gen 16:13-14, Isiah 63:7-8, 9-10, 11-14, 30:30, 40:10-11, 51:9-11 Gen 31:10-13, 48:15-16 = Angel redeems , God redeems. Meainig This Angel is God. Ex: 3:4-6, 3:7-9, 3:13-15, Exo 24:1-2, Exo 24:9-11, 23:20-21, Joshua 24:19-21, Zech 3:1-3, 4-5. Numb 22:21-23, JOhusa 5:13-14, 15, 6:2, Ex0 3:4-6. in Book of judges Judges 2:1-3, Malachi 3:1, Judges 6:11-13, 14-18, 19-21, 22-24. Messenger of the COvenant -- Angel of the covenant - Wonderful Judges 13:15-18, 19-20, 21-23.Isiah 9:6-7, LXX SEPUGINAT version - Angel of great councel is Jesus the Child. Job 26:11-14, Pslam 89:8-10, Isiah 52:13-15, 53:1-2, 11:1-2, Holy Spirit Isiah 63:7-8, 9-10, 11-14, Isiah 61:1-2, Luke 4:14-16, Isiah 32:14-16, 44:23, 59:20-21, Gal:4-7, Numbers 11:16-17, 21-23, 24-25, Isiah 11:1-5, Ps 78:40-41, Ps 106:32-33, Gen 6:1-3, Micha 2:6-7, 2 Sam 23:1-2, 2-4, Gen 1:1-2, Deut 32:9-11, Gen 1:26, Ps 104:30, JOb 33:2-4, Ps 139:7-11, TRINITY Gen 19:24, 13:17-19, Jeremiah 50:40, Amos 4:10-11, Gen 35:1 Trinity in OT - Angel of the Lord Greek word Messenger Gen 16:7-9, Gen 16:10-11, Gen 28:`0-22, Gen 31:10-11, 13, 48:15-16, Exo 3:1-3-6, Exo 3:13-15, Exo 23:20-23 (Quran 3:135) 5, Malchi 3:1, Rev 19:10, 22:8-9 (regular angel), Numbers 22:31-32 (Angel WOrshipped),Zech 3:3-4, 1:1-2, Isiah 63:7-9, 10-13, 14-16, WE HAVE SEEN GOD Judges 13:17-19, (My name is Wonderful meainng Incomprehensible)(Dabiel 8 Gabriel identifying himslef) Gen 32:24-25, Hosea 12:2:5, Judges 13:20-+22, Isiah 9:6-7 (Jesus is wonderful) Jesus The Messenger(Angel) of the Covernant Malachi 3:1, (My Messenger is John the Baptist, not just angels but human here - Malach meaning messenger) = Mark 1:1-3 = John is beung sent to prepare the way for YOU JESUS the Lord. Prpepeare the wy is OT calling for Yahweh. Exo 20:3, Mark 2:5-12 Isiah 40:3, Ps 44:21, ps 103:2-4, 1Kings 8:39, Mark 9:7, Mathew 28:19, John 5:43, Mathew 28:19, Holy Spirit Gen 1:1-2, Deut 32:11, Job 33:4, Ps 104:29-30, Isia 32:14-15, Mathew 1:18-20, Luke 1:34-35 , Spirit is Uncreated 2 Sam 23:1-3, Ps 139:7-12, Isiah 40:13-14 Holy Spirit is another Person = Distinct form God, Inseperable from God but who is Goddoes what God alone can do Nehemiah 9:20, 30, Ps 143:10, Ezekiel 2:2, 3:24, 11:5, 36:25-27(Born Agian) , 37:12-14, 39:29, Micha 2:7, 3:8, Zech 4:6. 7:12 WORD OF THE LORD in OT JOhn 1:1-4, 14 (John did'nt made this up) 8:39-40, 56-59 = Gen 15:1-6 word of the Lord
@@cptarchangel257 Ah I see. So it seems like you’re saying that it doesn’t say he was literally there anywhere however you and others infer it. Ok I just wanted to see if you would’ve been able to show me anywhere where it literally says he was there. Thank you for the attempt. I’m someone who used to believe in the trinity, but I definitely understand that it’s just nowhere in there, neither is the concept of Jesus being God anywhere. I’m not a Muslim, I definitely believe Jesus is the messiah and that he died, and that the Bible is authoritative. I would recommend “biblical Unitarians” to you, they have great resources and really try to read and teach the Bible as it would’ve been taught and understood in the first century and back.
“he had sent a man ahead of them, Joseph, who was sold as a slave. His feet were hurt with fetters; his neck was put in a collar of iron; until what he had said came to pass, the word of the Lord tested him.” Psalm 105:17-19 ESV
I am very thankful to God for the work and ministry of Dr. Heiser. My prayers go out to him in his final days and his family. Look forward to seeing and meeting him “on the other side”
The craziest thing about the embodied Word of God is that it was not Jesus before being born to Saint Mary in 1 AD, but the resurrected Jesus in human flesh and blood that we know of, transcending back in spacetime to speak to these prophets. Us humans think in linear terms but time on the other side is non-linear.
Exodus 33:18-23 18Moses said, “Please show me your glory.” 19And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” 21And the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen.” 🙌❤
Maybe. But I lean towards no. They would have understood the word as a symbolic anthropomorphism. In the vein of wisdom literature contemporary to their time.
@@youngknowledgeseeker Interesting. With the knowledge they had gained from the Holy Spirit since Jesus’ resurrection, I see it that Jesus’ followers would certainly have known. But, those for whom John was writing… the ones he hoped would find life and believe, they wouldn’t necessarily.
@@kymdickman8910 To be honest I think the only way it could be true is through progressive revelation. I just find it odd that if God wanted to let us know Jesus literally pre-existed he wouldn't have just said it clearly and not in questionable, off-hand, and scarce terms. For example two whole books are entirely dedicated to the topic of the law of Moses and understanding that it’s not a concern for Christian’s, how this is so, and what new law of Messiah we are under now. But as for the Trinity, Jesus being literally God, and even Jesus being pre-existent there are only a few vague, off-hand, debatable verses that only MAY teach that. For example sure the “word” was with God, but so was female “wisdom” in proverbs 8 and Jewish literature. But almost across the board no one even for a second imagines that wisdom is anything other than a personification of the fact that God is simply wise. In the same way, Gods word in Genesis as John clearly alludes to were sentences, his creative speech associated with wisdom. “Let there be light” - don’t know if John intended me to believe that sentence was actually a thinking conscious being at creation, not to mention Isaiah mentions that God says that he completely alone and by himself, with no other “person” beside him helping him create, made the world. There is a whole bunch of Jewish literature regarding “word” and “wisdom”, especially some developed during the intertestamental period right before Jesus. It seems like these ideas were in the cultural-religious atmosphere. So it is probably highly prudent and fair to John for us to at least familiarize ourselves with these concepts on their proper context before making a decision of what exactly John is trying to communicate with his gospel and chapter 1. The creative, God-like, God-explaining, God-representing, “word”, that God worked through in Genesis and that was associated and bound with his wisdom, “incarnated”, “took flesh”, became “embodied” in the human being Jesus. However you want to phrase it. Jesus is where you would find Gods wisdom and word, Jesus was the ultimate carrier of his word and only spoke what the Father commanded him (fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:15-19) So anyways as I said, I find that only through progressive revelation revealed to the Church much later could I possibly entertain the idea that Jesus is literally pre-existent or that Jesus is literally God. Because it’s just clearly not supported in the text.
@@youngknowledgeseeker I agree… I guess the interval between the resurrection and John’s putting pen to paper was long enough for that progressive revelation I was alluding to.
Thanks for this teaching, Dr Heiser. I thought I should point out that in the Spirit, it’s possible to “see” without actually “seeing”, in the sense that we see with our physical senses. A person’s spirit can interact with the reality of God and the spiritual realm in ways that don’t fit with our physical realities. It’s possible to “see” or sense in a vision and know the person speaking without actually seeing the person. Apologies if this sounds confusing, but I speak from experience.
Revelations 19: 11-13 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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You know-this concept occurred to me years ago. When I read “the Word of the Lord came to so and so” I wondered if this was a reference to the Preincarnate Christ. It seems like that is the case. It’s amazing really. I find that understandings like this cause me to love the Bible more and more. Thank you!
@@TomPlantagenet Well it’s 2 options based on all the evidence we have regarding “word of the Lord” as it was used in scripture and in extra biblical literature of the Jews. It is either a symbolic/poetic way of speaking of God and his actions in circumlocution Or It’s secretly presenting us a pre-existent heavenly being distinct from Yhwh (because it’s still not the Lord Yhwh, instead it is YHWH’s word). Wisdom too is described as a pre-existent being in the beginning with Yhwh aiding in the creation (wisdom is also a woman) Proverbs 8. But most people, and I think most scholars, do not even imagine that this is anything other than personification and that it is simply a symbolic way of saying that God is wise and created wisely.
@@TomPlantagenet Hmm my humble answer at best would be that’s for you to decide, but I just hope you get to base your decision on all the information we have available to us regarding the subject. Much of the time we don’t. But I would think that overall the evidence bears more weight toward the 1st option. If the second option turns out to be the true one, ok great, I honestly wish God would let me know, or when I find out when Jesus comes back I will apologize and be thankful that I could be corrected. But considering that there is no outright teaching that the word is a real conscious person that existed in the past before Jesus. Considering that even scholarship, probably not all, recognizes that “the word“ as it would’ve been understood in John’s Day, was not a literal pre-existent being but rather Gods creative speech which also was intimately associated with his wisdom.”. I lean toward the first option. So John says, remember Gods word that was all the way from the the beginning? (Keep in mind to think that the word was a real conscious being you’d have to imagine the sentence “Let there be light” is actually a person). John says that word that proceeded from God, that does his will and communicates it, that carry’s his mind, wisdom, and prerogatives, has now been embodied in the man Jesus, or can be found in him, or in poetic terms IS him. Jesus carry’s Gods words, his ultimate words in their highest truth. And Gods word was functionally God, like the Angel of the Lord that God told the Israelites they better listen to. You should know that it was written in Rabbinic literature that Moses was the Torah enfleshed as well. He was the embodiment of the law and it was found in his person and through him. I know this sounds like probably nonsense to you or an “explain away”, and I wouldn’t blame you I would’ve felt the same before I looked into it. So I can encourage you to do is to make sure that you are informed on the context of “word of God“ and how it was used in the first century and the few centuries surrounding it, as well as how the term was used and understood in the Bible itself and by its original audience.
Great video! And one more thing: In one of the chapters of Zechariah, I read a part where it says that the "word of Yahweh" came to the prophet and said that "he" was "sent" by Yahweh. Some translators believe that it was the prophet speaking about himself. But if it's the word of God speaking as a person to the prophet, then probably the view of the Godhead is original: And the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, “The hands of Zerubbabel have founded this house, and his hands will finish it. And you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me to you. For whoever has despised the day of small things will rejoice and will see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.” These seven are the eyes of Yahweh which are ranging throughout the whole earth. And I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” And I replied a second time and asked him, “What are these two twigs of olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” Zechariah 4:8-12 LEB
Ok if visions are things that see then the visible spectrum of light which is centered can be visible because it too has vision. Aka the ability to allow YOU to vision.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 true. But even in dreams, the prophets, like Daniel for example, did also see angels of the God of Israel in the form of people. They were also described as "spirits" or "winds".
YHWH appearing in human form throughout the Tanakh is honestly one of the coolest things ever. If anyone's curious, there's a book called the Angel of the Lord, which has a foreword written by Michael Heiser himself! It traces the most important appearances of the angel through the Old Testament and then relates it to Jesus.
Mike Heiser teaches strongly on the context of angels, and it makes a lot of sense in that (his words) "Angel is a job description, not a set of attributes" and goes on at length to prove that the "sons of God" in Gen6 and Deut 32 are spiritual beings of many appearances, some like a man, some frightening, some downright whakky, which if sent on a mission as a messenger are Angels. Otherwise they are Gods first created family. All logical and biblical and I thank him for pointing this out. But when Mike wants to expound on his other pet subject (jesus appearing on OT) then he throws his careful teaching to the wind and now "angel of the lord" is not a messenger any longer, but God himself in the form of one of the trinity. This is blatantly reading theology into scripture and Mike relying on his recent popularity and trust of readership to push something the bible does not explicitly say nor the worldview of the 1st century or second temple support.
I'm not a scholar but Jesus being an angel in Old Testament never has resonated with me. Especially when the Angel of the Lord is also in the New Testament; so I don't think it's Jesus in the Old Test. There are other ways to prove the trinity - there's more than sufficient evidence.. in both the old and NT; Jesus of course quoted "the Lord said to my Lord"
Jesus is "the Living Word" (John 6:63; 6:51, Heb. 4:12). He is also "Life," as is viewed in Acts 3:15. Jesus is also the "spoken Word," (Logos & Rhema). Logos= written word ( John 1:1 & John 18:32). Rhema, "living voice" (Matthew 4:4 & Ro. 10:17).
Revelations 19: 11-13 11 I saw heaven standing open(A) and there before me was a white horse, whose rider(B) is called Faithful and True.(C) With justice he judges and wages war.(D) 12 His eyes are like blazing fire,(E) and on his head are many crowns.(F) He has a name written on him(G) that no one knows but he himself.(H) 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,(I) and his name is the Word of God.(J)
This is why in Eastern Orthodox iconography, the pre-incarnate Christ is depicted in the Garden with Adam and Eve etc, it's considered a heresey to depict the father as an old man with a Grey beard.
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God Father, until Jesus was born in flesh, God had no physical body. In the Garden of Eden, God could simply appear (manifest visibly) to Adam and Eve.
orangeandslinky Santa Clause wearing red garment and coming from the sky in the chariots is just parody of the Lord who will come in the Day of his Vengeance.
@@danieljust295 Ooh! It’s nice to meet - albeit this remote way - someone else who sees Santa Claus the same way I do. I absolutely repudiate the whole phenomenon 🥰
Interesting to consider, I have had what I consider visions but it’s maybe more like a dream when I suddenly go somewhere else and strange things happen, I see and hear strange things, and there is some strange knowledge that this is a perfect realm not like ours, and things are communicated to me to strengthen and comfort me and that are wholly consistent with scripture. Not revelation of the future but more like a strong Spiritual confirmation of God’s word and presence
I should also mention I have had several strange experiences of angels, which are not the same as someone walking in the room and talking to me like we see happening to Mary and Zachariah as well as others, rather it’s like a vision in my head of an angel doing something very specific to tell me something. It’s not imagined or something I choose to think about, and it leaves me very surprised and wondering. I can share more specifics if desired but they are strange and not what I would have expected
Apparently in the Targum Adam and Eve heard the Word of God walking in the garden. That is very different to hearing the sound of God walking in the garden.
🔥 @1:52..what do you mean" whatever that is" lofty words or trying to sound rebellious 🔥.? 1 Samuel 3:3 and God’s lamp hadn’t yet gone out, and Samuel had laid down in Yahweh’s temple, where God’s ark was;
I have thought of it this way - the One we know as Jesus was called or known as the WORD prior to being born of a woman (Mary) and becoming like one of us.
The way to think of it is that any and every physical manifestation of God is called the WORD prior to being born as a human. And that also at the 2nd coming in the resurrected body he will be called to WORD again. Not just will every physical manifestation be the WORD, but the WORD is the name for the only manifestation there will be physically and the only way we will experience God physically. HE is the visible image of the invisible God.
Amen truevisions being what we see Sometimes they come in dreams sometimes they are given, gifted at a time subconsciously when we don't realize it and then revealed to us at a later time. I can testify to this because it is true. I have seen both of these and know that they have happened to me. The Holy Spirit speaks to us in our heart and mind and we hear him her it as so many people like to believe it is him yet I will say I do not know I only know that it is part of the godhead oh, and has shared many things with me. One of those was about my name and who I was to Abba Father.
"See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face of my Father, who is in the heavens." (Matthew 18 : 10)
In the Beginning was the Word , And the Word was With GOD and the word Spoke everything into existence Then The Son Jesus made man and that's where satan saw his replacement :)))
Wouldn't it serve us better to think of the "Word" as a way of communicating an idea, or a construct? Instead we, maybe arrogantly, think of words just as human spoken or written language. A vision, especially one like a movie. Would have much stronger communicative power, than just human words.
"Word of God" is a Title for a Person of God among humanity serving as a Shaman Priest channeling God with a voice out of the man's mouth. Under the exaltation of God in the flesh, the man's mouth was like a Speaker, remotely used by Heaven , though the Mouth was human and on Earth. This was revealed by Moses in Deuteronomy 32:43 or so. Moses said "SEE NOW THAT I MYSELF AM HE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME,". So this means, God was inside the bosom of Moses and the Speech coming out of his mouth was effected by God out of Heaven , using the man as a vessel or instrument of flesh and the voice of God , was not the property of the man or his own personal mind. This is like the title "Jewel of the Nile". a title given to a wise man or shaman in Egypt. So if a prophet like Jeremiah sought the Word of God, then Jeremiah with approval of God and prior Consent of God to apply , he gives over his human body to the Spirit, and the Spirit possesses the man , physically and causes the mouth to operate and voice comes out, as if Jeremiah was a Puppet. So Jesus said to the Jews , "If by the Finger of God , I do these things ( miracles ) then you know that the Kingdom of God has come to you " Jesus was implying that his corporal mass was used by God in Heaven as a Speaker, like the speaker on your television , radio or computer, it was physical sound and people used their ears to hear it, and so the Word of God means the Priest is under RAPTURE by GOD, and the VOICE coming out of the mouth of the Priest was GOD doing it. So the Father can be in the Son , and the Son is in the Father, with the Spirit is somewhat understood as a SHAMAN ACCOUNT. So the original estate of God at Peace or at Rest, in the darkness of the Void before the Creation was simply SPIRIT, and there was no divinity , it was just the entire mystery of God as One, but to accomplish a complex ritual of events, the Priesthood channeled God through the flesh of the "Anointed One". So if God prepared a physical body of Jesus , as a Puppet and the only LIFE in the body of Jesus is GOD, then Jesus is effectively God. In that account, Jesus did not have a privacy or personal life apart from God, he only appeared as long as God was contemplating the events designed to teach the People a lesson. So before any Titles God is vagary or ambiguity of SPIRIT to which no man can define that , but when God performed specific deeds, God became so named as associated to the deeds done, and taking away the behavior of God, to find God at Rest, you enter a VOID of NOTHINGNESS. So, the SPIRIT is the same substance that then accomplishes the Father and the Son , by the Spirit. So you want to know what is that "SPIRIT" you are calling God ??? Only God could explain that. 3=1
I was always wondering how Abraham recognized the Lord, how did Abraham know he talked with God. Genesis 17 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect Genesis 18 1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Wow. Yes. So, this embodied being, is pre-incarnateJesus himself? And, are there references to "The Word of the Lord" appearing, or coming to someone "via" an Angel...? For example, an Angel-- a different embodied being who is not Jesus, but who is nevertheless bringing "The Word of the Lord" to a prophet or servant? In other words, can this phrase be used both as a reference to the physical appearing (and Identity) of the Lord himself (albeit in a pre-incarnate form), while also as the message brought forth by other servant Angels?
Gen 15:1 After these things, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision.... The word of the Lord can denote a visional experience of God. Book of Samuel: There was no frequent vision. The Lord came and stood. This is the language of embodiment. A supernatural being, God, appearing as a man. The Word of the Lord. The Lord appeared to Samuel at Shiloh as the word of the Lord or God appearing as man. Jeremiah: Now the word of the Lord came to me saying...The Lord, Yaweh, put out his hand and touched Jeremiah's mouth. Embodiment to a tactile experience. God can show up in human form and He is referred to as the Word of the Lord. (Study notes, forgive the post)
Did you notice the separation between the word of the Lord and God in 1Sam 3:13? The same way you are bringing your point to light between the spoken word and a actual being, this verse clearly brings a separation between the Word and God. Also I was wondering if you have pondered the feud between Jesus and the Satan, being that Jesus is referred to as the Angel of the Lord? As I wonder why the Satan would put up such a fight against God it makes sense to me that he would think himself on equal ground with Jesus, as He is referred to as the Angel of the Lord. Brain tickler.
Question: Do you think that all of the animal species with all of the food to feed them was literally on a boat that was about 500 feet in length? You do realize that just the animal feed for a handful of all the animal species such as Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Elephants and Rhinos would take up the majority of this boat. For instance.... In a zoo, a typical adult elephant may eat 4-5 bales of hay and 10 - 18 pounds, or 4.5 to 8 kg, of grain a day. This amounts to a yearly quantity of more than 29,000 kg of hay and 2700 kg of feed per animal, The normal daily water(fresh) consumption is 25 - 50 gallons per animal, or 100 - 200 liters. The math literally doesn't add up. That's just one elephant not 2 or 7 which is another number mentioned in Genesis. So if 2 elephants actually eat 10 bales of hay per day then that is 3650 bales of hay just for TWO ELEPHANTS PER YEAR. Here is the problem.... that's just two animals not 14000 animal species that would have been on the ark. This the impossibility of this much feed being on the Ark is apparent along with the fact that 14000 animals cannot fit on a boat that is 500 feet in length let alone all the feed to feed them for an entire year. I know a rich person who has a 200 foot yacht and trust me it isnt as big as it may see. I am curious to hear your thoughts. Do tell me why I should believe that. Also, 40 days and 40 nights for the ark. 40 years in the wilderness for Moses and 40 days of Jesus temptation. Kinda weird don't you think? Almost like they copied it or the numerology meant something that has long since been lost or hidden by secret societies. There are also other problems with the Bible. Deuteronomy 32:8 talks about how a God named(Elyon gave the nations over to other Gods(Bene Ha Elohim) and Yahweh who is just one of these Gods got Israel. SO... yeah the bible is polytheistic not monotheistic. Thoughts? Did you ever read your bible and think about it?
According to the Gospel of John, the Word is God, that being Yahusha. So every time I hear "the Word of the Yahuah" (or LORD) I believe it was the Son or Yahusha.
OK, I was driving and may have missed it, but I didn't hear Dr. Heiser mention that the Hebrew word translated "word" is "d'bar" and also means "message", so that "ha' d'bar-YHWH" also means "the message of YHWH". That's much easier to understand.
If it's ha'debar it's a specific word. And it should be the same debar everytime it's used. Whereas if it's just referring to a word/message in general it should take no definite article. This becomes in a sense a proper noun phrase or title of something specific. Similar to the concept of the holy spirit or the angel of the presence.
Exodus 3:13-14 Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”. God said to Moses. “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” John 15 "I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE." John 8:58 “ 'Very truly I tell you,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I AM!' .” John8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I AM THE LIGHT OF THIS WORLD. Jesuses said "He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." (Genesis 1:3-5, on the 1st day of creation. The Sun was created on the 4th day of creation Genesis 1:14-18). John 10:9 "I AM THE DOOR. If anyone ENTERS BY Me, he will BE SAVED, and will go in and out and find pasture." Exodus 12 "Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household...The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect...all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE sides and tops of the DOORFRAMES of the houses... I am the Lord. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I WILL SEE THE BLOOD, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt." John 10 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, I AM THE DOOR of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I AM THE DOOR: by me if any man enter in, HE SHALL BE SAVED, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, "I AM THE RESURRECTION AND LIFE. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" (IN THE OLD TESTAMENT) Daniel 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."
yes its a person like in 1 kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
@@marytoye1472 Because Jesus is the Son who is sent by the Father. John 8: 18 I am one that bears witness of myself and the Father that SENT me bears witness of me. John 8:29 And he that SENT me is with me the Father has not left me alone for I always do those things that please him. John 12: 45 And he that SEES me SEES him that sent me. ( THE FATHER ) John 14:9 He that has SEEN ME has SEEN the Father. The only way to the Father is thru the Son Hopes that helps"
All eventually comes down to reading the Word Most read the word with the latest "hot shot book" in their hand, not even bothering to go and read and see if it is so, in context Sad day we are in that the believers do not know their Bible because its read in snippits. Get well soon precious brother, the body needs stable teaching without the blah blah Blessings in abundance Keep on keeping on Heads up Eyes open No fear
Many religious Pharisees read & know the scriptures by memory but they don’t know Yehovah personally they know of HIM two totally different things You Must Be Born Again From Above
The logos is alive and active the power and wisdom of the father. The same power that he spoke all creation into being. The logos doesn't become a noun until its formed in you at your new birth or spiritual resurrection. As a new creation as it was for Jesus clearly stated in Romans 1:3-4. When the 1st Adam dies and last Adam rises within us. (New spiritual man) When we are born of the spirit. Its NOT a preincarnate human being who was born of a virgin. Chosen at birth but not literally conceived. That happens when all humans are born from above I John 3:7-11. All elect firstfruits of the spirit are begotten of the same logos. I Peter 1:18, 1:18, I John 1:3 kjv. The church was deceived soon after 70 ad. The logos (light) in you is the hope of glory. The Most High is the father of LIGHTS. Plural. There is more than one Son of God. Ex 4:22, Hosea 11:1, Jer 2:3. All israel is the Son of God.
So why is the word not regarded to as the fourth member of God? I presuppose because the word became flesh, being Jesus Christ. But prior to Jesus birth? I’m not trying to heretical, just trying to understand.
If I understand your question right, you are presenting a question in a form that echoes the position of the Nestorian heresy. In traditional, orthodox christology, the "second Person" of the Trinity is one Person, regardless pre- or post- Incarnation. Human Jesus is not one Person, with pre-incarnate Word being a different Person, somehow integrated. They are one Person only. The concept of "Person", however, it should be noted... the word 'person' itself is a nuanced concept in traditional, Christian theological discussions. The word 'hypostasis' (literally meaning something like 'subsistence') in the Greek, is the word that is usually translated as "Person". The classical sense of Triadology regards _persons_ primarily in their relations to one another, whereas in our modern, English sense of the word "Person", we tend to think in terms of 'individuals', or 'people'. The Persons exist in relation with, not independently of, one another. To illustrate the significance of this, Jesus (again, according to orthodox theological tradition) uniquely has two wills, a human will and a divine will. We are also told in Scripture that, according to his humanity, he grew in knowledge. But these considerations do not make Jesus to be two persons, one divine and one human. He is always the one Person, and now having taken on human nature, he remains the one Light of Light, both fully human and fully divine. Hope that helps.
@@Giant_Meteor thank you very much. I understand this soundeded heretical, but that’s why I asked the question, so I don’t end up with a wrong doctrine. The way the Term “Word” is used through the Bible has caused me some trouble in terms of understanding. I’m definitely going to spend more time on and in the Word of God.
@@blakehoward9429 Two books you might try reading, if the subject of Christology interests you. They are both very old. I think it is good for modern Christians to stay in touch with the thoughts of previous generations of holy men. On the Unity of Christ, by Cyril of Alexandria On the Incarnation, by Athanasius
Isn’t convenient for the word of God to be learnt orally and written? Why would it turn into a person especially seeing the fact that Jesus is no longer with us.
Gerald Johnson the Comforter is rather Holy Spirit who mingles with our spirit so we can have the mind of Christ and we can understand heavenly things - this is how Paul explains. 1 Cor 2 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
@@danieljust295 d j.John 14:20.And in that day ye shall know I am in my Father and ye in me and l in you.> 14:21,23,24,25,26, Jesus said these Words Not Me.
Gerald Johnson Yes, Christ is within us and we are His temple, he is within our spirit. This is what Comforter ( or Teacher) is. It’s his spirit, but Christ is in Heaven sitting on the throne.
If you are an idolator, you will see things normal people don’t. It speaks to the like minded, idolators, who are caught up in euphoriof an enchantment(seduced). These are also generally clueless to what’s relevant information(cutting through the thickness of theology and supernaturalism ) and what’s not. Those who receive idolators have always have their minds blown out of this world or simply in awe(not in the present of mind). Mar 7:6 And he said unto them, Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me. Mar 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN. Mar 7:8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men. 1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS 1Ti 4:2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron; There are no “bogeyman” hidden in your closets. Doctrines of men or demons, they are one and the same. Normal people knows how to be grounded in reality. Don’t conflate what has been traditionally understood and narrated before the Age of Enlightenment and as man progressively move towards greater enlightenment or revelations. Joh 1:14 And the Word became FLESH, and TABERNACLED among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth. Idolators couldn’t see the TABERNACLE expressed through Christ and have made an idol out of him. 1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is NOT of God. And THIS IS THE antichrist you heard is coming, and even now is already in the world. “….giving heed to SEDUCING spirits and doctrines of demons…” Gal 5:20 IDOLATRY, SORCERY, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, DIVISIONS, HERESIES, Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, DRUNKENNESS(high spirits, spirit of euphoria,fantasy,delusion), revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Sorcery = “Excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural” Indeed, “demons”(a supernatural expression) in the midst of your congregations, seated as…God(whose mouth is the “word of god” to you)
The word ( DaBaR) of YHVH came to Jonah. D( the door ) Yeshua said I am the door, B ( the house ) R ( the head ). Yeshua said in my Father’s house are many rooms ( the Father is the head of the house - temple) Got Torah Got Truth
This happened already twice in the history, there were two time periods of 400 years during the Lord spoke no words. It was the time when the Gentile civilizations emerged : Egypt, China. If we live in the time of the Gentiles then we should not be surprised that Lord doesn’t show up, or doesn’t show up often.
Read Revelation. We don’t need further prophecy or revelation. In fact, God makes clear no one is to add or take away from the Bible after the book of revelation. God shared what the end times will look like we need nothing further.
The Word of the Lord is not rare. The bible says it is near you. The Lord is still speaking to His people today. He is even showing up among people who dont know Him. A Muslim came to our church and said that Jesus asked him to come. We then answered all his question and he yielded his heart to the Lord.
God has been silenced for a long time, but God’s word was already sent here again in this world since year 2011-2012. But only few who have heard or received His calling from different countries, because the majority of the people are too busy in this noisy material world. Their minds and hearts are so full of materialistic and there’s no place for the word of God to enter. Like what was happened at the birth of the Lord. God sent one of His heavenly beings, before the chaos that is happening right now took place. He’s one of the elders from Heaven, that I think it was Moses. And once God spoke to someone, in a vision, the understanding and hearing will be from the hearts and not from the mind. Because the words of God written in the Holy Scriptures are all about our spirits within, as it was said that God is Spirit. John 4:24
Yes, this makes sense. I had already heard the concept regarding God walking in the garden but didnt know there were so many other passages with the implication. ( isnt this referred to as a theophany?) Not trying to be contradictory but a question just popped into my head: I f God appeared as man in the OT then why the need to be born of a woman in the NT? I know that sounds goofy but my brain is snagged on it. I mean I understand the message of Christ' s birth, death, and resurrection.
Because Christ had to fulfill all righteousness meaning in order to be from the line of David and have the fullness of the covenants he had to be born into a human lineage.
Divine beings, God included, maintain their divinity when they materialize into the 3rd dimension. In order for Christ to truly fulfill the law for man and conquer sin, he had to incarnate just as we did and experience every bit of our humanity. Simply materializing or appearing isn't the same as being born in the flesh. He descended into the lowest realm possible in order to fill all thing. I hope that helps ☺️
Surprised you didn’t mention Ezekiel for that text says the Word of YHWH came to Ezekiel and Ezekiel gives a visual description, which makes the Word of Yah also the Glory of Yah, He is also the Messenger of the Covenant who will come suddenly to his Temple, and also The Angel (messenger) of Yah.
Then let me ask you this. Who is Jesus referring to in John 10:35 when He references Psalm 82 and "those to whom the word of God came"? This can not mean a council of pagan gods. You are talking about the times the word of God came to them here. He is referring to mortal men. "If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken- do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? Maybe each nation/clan does have a Divine being, a principality, like Michael for Israel or the prince of Persia, etc, but I doubt Baal and Marduk and Horus were the ones in Psalm 82.
@Boris Disko No, it's a heavenly scene. It says he (elohim) is in the midst of the council of El/ God. Jesus calls the elohim of Psalm 82 as the 'Word of God' who Philo says is Melchizedek. Interestingly, John 8 seems to many to be a reference to Christ meeting Abraham and Abraham seeing him and rejoicing. Abraham met Melchizedek.
Elohim in Hebrew means someone who has authority or power, a ruler over something. Only in this sense Elohim is translated as “gods”. The question then is can people be referred as Elohim (gods)?
@@eew8060 The comment makes no sense if he is referring to men. They accused Him of blasphemy. Nowhere is it blashepmy to refer to lowercase "G" gods as gods. It only makes sense if He is referring to men.
@@borisdisko4322 "Blasphemy" was the umbrella term. Like: 'You committed a traffic violation!' That could be any number of things, speeding, running a red light, reckless driving etc...They specifically accused him of "although being a man, claim to being God/ a god". It makes plenty sense! It doesn't make sense if it's mortal men.
@@eew8060 That's the only way it makes sense, otherwise it's not blasphemy. You are really stretching comparing blashemy to a traffic violation. C'mon man. You know exactly what it is and what they were accusing Him of, and it doesn't make sense if they were not talking about mortal men. Although being a man He claimed to be God. That is exactly why He mentions Psalm 82, because men were referred to as gods. I will take Jesus's interpretation, where He clearly states that it is referring to those to whom the word of God came, mortal men, over any man's interpretation. Are you trying to say that God rebuked Melchizedek? Now you're just making stuff up out of thin air. You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make this claim true.
When you have dreams, you don't see various things in your dreams? It's a vision in his head in a dream. It's not that difficult. It doesn't mean God walked up to him. If there is such a concept of a God in human form, why is it NEVER EVER clearly described that way? How hard would it have been to say this clearly? Did God want to hide this fact? Why in the world would He want to do that? Stop reading jesus into whatever you can. You need to use exegesis instead of eisegesis.
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One of the best passages for the Word of the LORD appears in 1Kings 19 where Elijah meets The Messenger who feeds him, the Word who speaks to him when he gets to the mountain of God, and then the LORD who questions him after the Word tells him to stand before the LORD. All three appear in that chapter.
Revelations 19: 12-13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
I would say that there was something in the still small voice that was not present in the other interactions. Sometimes God allows a part of his essence or attributes to travel through his voice. It’s very rare, but when it happens, you KNOW who’s speaking in a way that ordinary words can not convey. You can live or die on the reality of that type of deep revelation.
I have always been fond of the one I just posted...
In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word was God... it pretty much sums up what and who The Word is.
This is amazing. You just answered part of my question above. I will look at this reference.
@@garyzimmerman62 There is another individual involved than just the Word.There's two of them sitting on the thrones Rev 3:21.
Frankly this makes way more sense than saying that John was writing about a Greek philosophical concept of the logos.
absolutely agree! John is a master theologian and ties the hopes of the Hebrew Scriptures into the culmination of YHWH coming in the flesh, modeling the image of God perfectly (showing what true humanity is all about), to conquer the power of the serpent on the cross & bring about the new creation! Which God spoke in Genesis 1, by HIS WORD!
It makes sense that he'd use existing Jewish concepts, but he'd also have to be aware that the gentile audience is going to approach it with Greek philosophy in mind (particularly Heraclitus's use of the term as the mind behind the universe, not Aristotle's use as mere logic). Greek has multiple words for "word" that John could have used instead, some of which could elaborated on not-yet spelled-out finer points of Christology. Specifically choosing Logos would have told the (Hellenistic) Jewish audience "the Word as described in Philo" and the Gentile audience "our God is not some mere Olympian but the foundation of being itself."
@@abyssimus yeah, like Paul using a pagan altar to lead into the point he wanted to make. It makes sense to use what your audience is familiar with as a jumping off point
@@tayh.6235 it wasn't pagan per say: but to an unknown God: that Paul states is really the God of the Jews and sent Jesus into the world.
John 8 42 neither came I of my self but he sent me. Kjv so of Jesus is God then he did come of himself and he is telling a lie. Why do you have faith in God to save you if he lies? John 7 16 my doctrine is not mine but his that sent me. ... so if Jesus is God then who's doctrine is he teaching? Ask your self why you teach God lies so much . I look at the trinity chart and it says Jesus is God . The trinity is so easy to make fun of its false teaching
Great Dr. Heiser!!! Yes, The Word of God is Christ!!! I continue praying for your soon healing. God Bless You Sir!!!
One of the best biblical teachers of our times. I’m so grateful to have be lead to Dr Heiser’s teaching, through a friend before he passed on to be with the Lord.
I picked up on this a while ago in my studies. It certainly adds a whole new understanding of how Yeshua was working throughout the Old Testament history. Amazing stuff
Can you name one place in the New Testament where they ever say Christ was in the Old Testament?
@@youngknowledgeseeker Jesus himself pointed to Old Testament and said it's all about Him.
@cptarchangel257 Yes and Paul also said that the Old Testament spoke of us future saints as well. Even Daniel speaks of us. But my question, to be more specific, is where in the New Testament did they ever say Christ was *literally* in the Old Testament. For example, though the saints are prophecied and spoken of and pointed toward in the Old Testament we were hardly around during those ancient times
@@youngknowledgeseeker when muslims ask Christians where did Jesus say " I am God,Worship Me" as we know thats not how Jesus said to His deciples and showed His desciples that He was God. So, Jesus did not explicitly say where He was in the Old Testament but we can see wherever you see , ANGEL OF THE LORD, Word of the lord in the OT, it was Jesus.
Below are some of the verses in OT, showing Trinity or Jesus.
Isaiah 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for US? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
Genesis 19:1-2
The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
Daniel 10). Luke 2:8-15
Angel of the Lord
Gen 32:1-2, Gen 16:7-10, 11-12, Gen 16:13-14,
Isiah 63:7-8, 9-10, 11-14, 30:30, 40:10-11, 51:9-11
Gen 31:10-13, 48:15-16 = Angel redeems , God redeems. Meainig This Angel is God.
Ex: 3:4-6, 3:7-9, 3:13-15,
Exo 24:1-2, Exo 24:9-11, 23:20-21, Joshua 24:19-21, Zech 3:1-3, 4-5. Numb 22:21-23, JOhusa 5:13-14, 15, 6:2, Ex0 3:4-6.
in Book of judges
Judges 2:1-3, Malachi 3:1, Judges 6:11-13, 14-18, 19-21, 22-24.
Messenger of the COvenant -- Angel of the covenant - Wonderful
Judges 13:15-18, 19-20, 21-23.Isiah 9:6-7, LXX SEPUGINAT version - Angel of great councel is Jesus the Child.
Job 26:11-14, Pslam 89:8-10, Isiah 52:13-15, 53:1-2, 11:1-2,
Holy Spirit
Isiah 63:7-8, 9-10, 11-14, Isiah 61:1-2, Luke 4:14-16, Isiah 32:14-16, 44:23, 59:20-21, Gal:4-7,
Numbers 11:16-17, 21-23, 24-25, Isiah 11:1-5, Ps 78:40-41, Ps 106:32-33, Gen 6:1-3, Micha 2:6-7, 2 Sam 23:1-2, 2-4, Gen 1:1-2, Deut 32:9-11, Gen 1:26, Ps 104:30, JOb 33:2-4, Ps 139:7-11,
TRINITY
Gen 19:24, 13:17-19, Jeremiah 50:40, Amos 4:10-11, Gen 35:1
Trinity in OT - Angel of the Lord Greek word Messenger
Gen 16:7-9, Gen 16:10-11, Gen 28:`0-22, Gen 31:10-11, 13, 48:15-16, Exo 3:1-3-6, Exo 3:13-15,
Exo 23:20-23 (Quran 3:135)
5, Malchi 3:1, Rev 19:10, 22:8-9 (regular angel), Numbers 22:31-32 (Angel WOrshipped),Zech 3:3-4, 1:1-2, Isiah 63:7-9, 10-13, 14-16,
WE HAVE SEEN GOD
Judges 13:17-19, (My name is Wonderful meainng Incomprehensible)(Dabiel 8 Gabriel identifying himslef) Gen 32:24-25, Hosea 12:2:5, Judges 13:20-+22, Isiah 9:6-7 (Jesus is wonderful)
Jesus The Messenger(Angel) of the Covernant
Malachi 3:1, (My Messenger is John the Baptist, not just angels but human here - Malach meaning messenger) = Mark 1:1-3 = John is beung sent to prepare the way for YOU JESUS the Lord. Prpepeare the wy is OT calling for Yahweh. Exo 20:3, Mark 2:5-12 Isiah 40:3, Ps 44:21, ps 103:2-4, 1Kings 8:39, Mark 9:7, Mathew 28:19, John 5:43, Mathew 28:19,
Holy Spirit
Gen 1:1-2, Deut 32:11, Job 33:4, Ps 104:29-30, Isia 32:14-15, Mathew 1:18-20, Luke 1:34-35 ,
Spirit is Uncreated
2 Sam 23:1-3, Ps 139:7-12, Isiah 40:13-14
Holy Spirit is another Person = Distinct form God, Inseperable from God but who is Goddoes what God alone can do
Nehemiah 9:20, 30, Ps 143:10, Ezekiel 2:2, 3:24, 11:5, 36:25-27(Born Agian) , 37:12-14, 39:29, Micha 2:7, 3:8, Zech 4:6. 7:12
WORD OF THE LORD in OT
JOhn 1:1-4, 14 (John did'nt made this up) 8:39-40, 56-59 = Gen 15:1-6 word of the Lord
@@cptarchangel257 Ah I see. So it seems like you’re saying that it doesn’t say he was literally there anywhere however you and others infer it.
Ok I just wanted to see if you would’ve been able to show me anywhere where it literally says he was there. Thank you for the attempt. I’m someone who used to believe in the trinity, but I definitely understand that it’s just nowhere in there, neither is the concept of Jesus being God anywhere.
I’m not a Muslim, I definitely believe Jesus is the messiah and that he died, and that the Bible is authoritative. I would recommend “biblical Unitarians” to you, they have great resources and really try to read and teach the Bible as it would’ve been taught and understood in the first century and back.
Wow, this is impeccable timing. I was just reading about this yesterday.
“he had sent a man ahead of them, Joseph, who was sold as a slave. His feet were hurt with fetters; his neck was put in a collar of iron; until what he had said came to pass, the word of the Lord tested him.”
Psalm 105:17-19 ESV
Please pray for those in Christian cults like the one I left Voice of Healing in Houston. The mind control is terrible.
Do you still attend? I have a friend who still goes.
@@lasirius1 I officially left after their calling Mike King of Kings during their new year service going into 2020
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Absolutely brilliant teaching.
I am very thankful to God for the work and ministry of Dr. Heiser. My prayers go out to him in his final days and his family. Look forward to seeing and meeting him “on the other side”
The craziest thing about the embodied Word of God is that it was not Jesus before being born to Saint Mary in 1 AD, but the resurrected Jesus in human flesh and blood that we know of, transcending back in spacetime to speak to these prophets. Us humans think in linear terms but time on the other side is non-linear.
Praying for you Dr Heiser everyday at 7:55 pm eastern time!! 🙏❤
Exodus 33:18-23
18Moses said, “Please show me your glory.” 19And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. 20But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” 21And the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen.”
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Could we then understand John 1:1 as John having in mind that his audience would've known who he was talking about?
Yes… they would have known of Whom he was writing.
Maybe. But I lean towards no. They would have understood the word as a symbolic anthropomorphism. In the vein of wisdom literature contemporary to their time.
@@youngknowledgeseeker
Interesting. With the knowledge they had gained from the Holy Spirit since Jesus’ resurrection, I see it that Jesus’ followers would certainly have known. But, those for whom John was writing… the ones he hoped would find life and believe, they wouldn’t necessarily.
@@kymdickman8910 To be honest I think the only way it could be true is through progressive revelation. I just find it odd that if God wanted to let us know Jesus literally pre-existed he wouldn't have just said it clearly and not in questionable, off-hand, and scarce terms. For example two whole books are entirely dedicated to the topic of the law of Moses and understanding that it’s not a concern for Christian’s, how this is so, and what new law of Messiah we are under now.
But as for the Trinity, Jesus being literally God, and even Jesus being pre-existent there are only a few vague, off-hand, debatable verses that only MAY teach that.
For example sure the “word” was with God, but so was female “wisdom” in proverbs 8 and Jewish literature. But almost across the board no one even for a second imagines that wisdom is anything other than a personification of the fact that God is simply wise. In the same way, Gods word in Genesis as John clearly alludes to were sentences, his creative speech associated with wisdom.
“Let there be light” - don’t know if John intended me to believe that sentence was actually a thinking conscious being at creation, not to mention Isaiah mentions that God says that he completely alone and by himself, with no other “person” beside him helping him create, made the world.
There is a whole bunch of Jewish literature regarding “word” and “wisdom”, especially some developed during the intertestamental period right before Jesus. It seems like these ideas were in the cultural-religious atmosphere. So it is probably highly prudent and fair to John for us to at least familiarize ourselves with these concepts on their proper context before making a decision of what exactly John is trying to communicate with his gospel and chapter 1.
The creative, God-like, God-explaining, God-representing, “word”, that God worked through in Genesis and that was associated and bound with his wisdom, “incarnated”, “took flesh”, became “embodied” in the human being Jesus. However you want to phrase it. Jesus is where you would find Gods wisdom and word, Jesus was the ultimate carrier of his word and only spoke what the Father commanded him (fulfilling Deuteronomy 18:15-19)
So anyways as I said, I find that only through progressive revelation revealed to the Church much later could I possibly entertain the idea that Jesus is literally pre-existent or that Jesus is literally God. Because it’s just clearly not supported in the text.
@@youngknowledgeseeker I agree… I guess the interval between the resurrection and John’s putting pen to paper was long enough for that progressive revelation I was alluding to.
Thanks for this teaching, Dr Heiser. I thought I should point out that in the Spirit, it’s possible to “see” without actually “seeing”, in the sense that we see with our physical senses. A person’s spirit can interact with the reality of God and the spiritual realm in ways that don’t fit with our physical realities. It’s possible to “see” or sense in a vision and know the person speaking without actually seeing the person. Apologies if this sounds confusing, but I speak from experience.
Me too, my friend
HE STILL SPEAKS,
THANKS
DR HEISER
This is mind-bowing.
Well said dr. Heiser and Shalowm and a joyful new Day.
Thank you. I just started reading "The Unseen Realm."
well, the way you present the word of God is amazing! Thank you!
Revelations 19: 11-13
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Some would say it is Santa Clause … satanic parody of Jesus, the King.
Wow good scripture , Jesus Bless u
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I JUST read this yesterday and was planning to do a longer study on it. Thank you!
Dr. Heiser is amazing
You know-this concept occurred to me years ago. When I read “the Word of the Lord came to so and so” I wondered if this was a reference to the Preincarnate Christ. It seems like that is the case. It’s amazing really. I find that understandings like this cause me to love the Bible more and more. Thank you!
Or not
@@youngknowledgeseeker please clarify “or not”
@@TomPlantagenet Well it’s 2 options based on all the evidence we have regarding “word of the Lord” as it was used in scripture and in extra biblical literature of the Jews.
It is either a symbolic/poetic way of speaking of God and his actions in circumlocution
Or
It’s secretly presenting us a pre-existent heavenly being distinct from Yhwh (because it’s still not the Lord Yhwh, instead it is YHWH’s word).
Wisdom too is described as a pre-existent being in the beginning with Yhwh aiding in the creation (wisdom is also a woman) Proverbs 8. But most people, and I think most scholars, do not even imagine that this is anything other than personification and that it is simply a symbolic way of saying that God is wise and created wisely.
@@youngknowledgeseeker wouldn’t option 2 be tantamount to the Logos of John1:1. “The Word was with God and the Word was God”.?
@@TomPlantagenet Hmm my humble answer at best would be that’s for you to decide, but I just hope you get to base your decision on all the information we have available to us regarding the subject. Much of the time we don’t.
But I would think that overall the evidence bears more weight toward the 1st option. If the second option turns out to be the true one, ok great, I honestly wish God would let me know, or when I find out when Jesus comes back I will apologize and be thankful that I could be corrected.
But considering that there is no outright teaching that the word is a real conscious person that existed in the past before Jesus. Considering that even scholarship, probably not all, recognizes that “the word“ as it would’ve been understood in John’s Day, was not a literal pre-existent being but rather Gods creative speech which also was intimately associated with his wisdom.”. I lean toward the first option.
So John says, remember Gods word that was all the way from the the beginning? (Keep in mind to think that the word was a real conscious being you’d have to imagine the sentence “Let there be light” is actually a person). John says that word that proceeded from God, that does his will and communicates it, that carry’s his mind, wisdom, and prerogatives, has now been embodied in the man Jesus, or can be found in him, or in poetic terms IS him. Jesus carry’s Gods words, his ultimate words in their highest truth. And Gods word was functionally God, like the Angel of the Lord that God told the Israelites they better listen to. You should know that it was written in Rabbinic literature that Moses was the Torah enfleshed as well. He was the embodiment of the law and it was found in his person and through him.
I know this sounds like probably nonsense to you or an “explain away”, and I wouldn’t blame you I would’ve felt the same before I looked into it. So I can encourage you to do is to make sure that you are informed on the context of “word of God“ and how it was used in the first century and the few centuries surrounding it, as well as how the term was used and understood in the Bible itself and by its original audience.
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Great video! And one more thing: In one of the chapters of Zechariah, I read a part where it says that the "word of Yahweh" came to the prophet and said that "he" was "sent" by Yahweh. Some translators believe that it was the prophet speaking about himself. But if it's the word of God speaking as a person to the prophet, then probably the view of the Godhead is original:
And the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, “The hands of Zerubbabel have founded this house, and his hands will finish it. And you will know that Yahweh of hosts has sent me to you. For whoever has despised the day of small things will rejoice and will see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.” These seven are the eyes of Yahweh which are ranging throughout the whole earth. And I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” And I replied a second time and asked him, “What are these two twigs of olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?”
Zechariah 4:8-12 LEB
Thanks Mike. Been reading Scriptures for along time and only recently I have picked up on seeing what is obvious.
Ok if visions are things that see then the visible spectrum of light which is centered can be visible because it too has vision. Aka the ability to allow YOU to vision.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 true. But even in dreams, the prophets, like Daniel for example, did also see angels of the God of Israel in the form of people. They were also described as "spirits" or "winds".
YHWH appearing in human form throughout the Tanakh is honestly one of the coolest things ever. If anyone's curious, there's a book called the Angel of the Lord, which has a foreword written by Michael Heiser himself! It traces the most important appearances of the angel through the Old Testament and then relates it to Jesus.
@Taylor J.
That very same book has an Appendix (5) "Why Michael Might be Christ"
Mike Heiser teaches strongly on the context of angels, and it makes a lot of sense in that (his words) "Angel is a job description, not a set of attributes" and goes on at length to prove that the "sons of God" in Gen6 and Deut 32 are spiritual beings of many appearances, some like a man, some frightening, some downright whakky, which if sent on a mission as a messenger are Angels. Otherwise they are Gods first created family. All logical and biblical and I thank him for pointing this out.
But when Mike wants to expound on his other pet subject (jesus appearing on OT) then he throws his careful teaching to the wind and now "angel of the lord" is not a messenger any longer, but God himself in the form of one of the trinity. This is blatantly reading theology into scripture and Mike relying on his recent popularity and trust of readership to push something the bible does not explicitly say nor the worldview of the 1st century or second temple support.
@@ken440 Well, Jesus is God's messenger, isn't he?
I'm not a scholar but Jesus being an angel in Old Testament never has resonated with me. Especially when the Angel of the Lord is also in the New Testament; so I don't think it's Jesus in the Old Test. There are other ways to prove the trinity - there's more than sufficient evidence.. in both the old and NT; Jesus of course quoted "the Lord said to my Lord"
@@timothy6828 ha ha. yes like you are too. A human son of God. Are you the angel of the lord?
Jesus is "the Living Word" (John 6:63; 6:51, Heb. 4:12). He is also "Life," as is viewed in Acts 3:15. Jesus is also the "spoken Word," (Logos & Rhema). Logos= written word ( John 1:1 & John 18:32). Rhema, "living voice" (Matthew 4:4 & Ro. 10:17).
Revelations 19: 11-13
11 I saw heaven standing open(A) and there before me was a white horse, whose rider(B) is called Faithful and True.(C) With justice he judges and wages war.(D) 12 His eyes are like blazing fire,(E) and on his head are many crowns.(F) He has a name written on him(G) that no one knows but he himself.(H) 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,(I) and his name is the Word of God.(J)
This is why in Eastern Orthodox iconography, the pre-incarnate Christ is depicted in the Garden with Adam and Eve etc, it's considered a heresey to depict the father as an old man with a Grey beard.
I tried, but I dont think links are allowed here.
Jesus Christ is the physical form of God Father, until Jesus was born in flesh, God had no physical body. In the Garden of Eden, God could simply appear (manifest visibly) to Adam and Eve.
The big old guy in the sky is a stupid thing isn't it? Sounds kind of like a Santa Claus like thing.
orangeandslinky Santa Clause wearing red garment and coming from the sky in the chariots is just parody of the Lord who will come in the Day of his Vengeance.
@@danieljust295 Ooh! It’s nice to meet - albeit this remote way - someone else who sees Santa Claus the same way I do. I absolutely repudiate the whole phenomenon 🥰
Yes the Word of God is a person he is Yeshua.
And the word became flesh, and dwelt among us
In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God and The Word WAS GOD.....
Our Redeemer has been with us since the beginning.
Blessings to you & yours Mike
Amen, thank you.
God bless.
Miss you Michael😢
Finally!! Someone gets it. Sheesh, I thought I was alone on this.
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I think that this thinking can also be really pertinent about the messenger of the Lord, the angel of Yahweh
I agree
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Interesting to consider, I have had what I consider visions but it’s maybe more like a dream when I suddenly go somewhere else and strange things happen, I see and hear strange things, and there is some strange knowledge that this is a perfect realm not like ours, and things are communicated to me to strengthen and comfort me and that are wholly consistent with scripture. Not revelation of the future but more like a strong Spiritual confirmation of God’s word and presence
I should also mention I have had several strange experiences of angels, which are not the same as someone walking in the room and talking to me like we see happening to Mary and Zachariah as well as others, rather it’s like a vision in my head of an angel doing something very specific to tell me something. It’s not imagined or something I choose to think about, and it leaves me very surprised and wondering. I can share more specifics if desired but they are strange and not what I would have expected
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Is there something more comprehensive on this topic? An article or paper specifically for this would be great.
I know little of Dr. Heiser. I am very surprised to find Evangelicals who are even aware of this topic or aware that this understanding exists.
Apparently in the Targum Adam and Eve heard the Word of God walking in the garden.
That is very different to hearing the sound of God walking in the garden.
🔥 @1:52..what do you mean" whatever that is" lofty words or trying to sound rebellious 🔥.?
1 Samuel 3:3 and God’s lamp hadn’t yet gone out, and Samuel had laid down in Yahweh’s temple, where God’s ark was;
The Word of the Lord can produce a visually aswell .. wen your great in his grace .. Samuel Samuel'.l you
Excellent
Rather amazing. Never knew this.
I love these video teaching sessions. Where can I access the longer version of these classes that the 10 minute exerpts are clipped from.
In Talmud Sanhedrin 95b, the Eternal presents himself to Sennacherib as an old man
I have thought of it this way - the One we know as Jesus was called or known as the WORD prior to being born of a woman (Mary) and becoming like one of us.
The way to think of it is that any and every physical manifestation of God is called the WORD prior to being born as a human. And that also at the 2nd coming in the resurrected body he will be called to WORD again. Not just will every physical manifestation be the WORD, but the WORD is the name for the only manifestation there will be physically and the only way we will experience God physically. HE is the visible image of the invisible God.
Amen truevisions being what we see Sometimes they come in dreams sometimes they are given, gifted at a time subconsciously when we don't realize it and then revealed to us at a later time. I can testify to this because it is true. I have seen both of these and know that they have happened to me. The Holy Spirit speaks to us in our heart and mind and we hear him her it as so many people like to believe it is him yet I will say I do not know I only know that it is part of the godhead oh, and has shared many things with me. One of those was about my name and who I was to Abba Father.
This is very cool 😎
The filling of the spirit its like smoke " but let's make the Word ".. it's not a head .. the heart knows vision " not tn9w
Are the angels able to see God or only see Him in the Angel of the Lord, who we know as Jesus?
"See that you do not despise one of these little ones.
For I say to you that their angels in the heavens continually behold the face of my Father, who is in the heavens."
(Matthew 18 : 10)
Isaiah 55 11 ✝️
So what does it mean in the Old Testament when a passage says, "The Lord spoke His word"?
It means that God spoke. Not every occurence of "word" is tied to the second Yahweh figure
In the Beginning was the Word , And the Word was With GOD and the word Spoke everything into existence Then The Son Jesus made man and that's where satan saw his replacement :)))
Wouldn't it serve us better to think of the "Word" as a way of communicating an idea, or a construct? Instead we, maybe arrogantly, think of words just as human spoken or written language. A vision, especially one like a movie. Would have much stronger communicative power, than just human words.
"Word of God" is a Title for a Person of God among humanity serving as a Shaman Priest channeling God with a voice out of the man's mouth. Under the exaltation of God in the flesh, the man's mouth was like a Speaker, remotely used by Heaven , though the Mouth was human and on Earth. This was revealed by Moses in Deuteronomy 32:43 or so. Moses said "SEE NOW THAT I MYSELF AM HE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES ME,". So this means, God was inside the bosom of Moses and the Speech coming out of his mouth was effected by God out of Heaven , using the man as a vessel or instrument of flesh and the voice of God , was not the property of the man or his own personal mind. This is like the title "Jewel of the Nile". a title given to a wise man or shaman in Egypt. So if a prophet like Jeremiah sought the Word of God, then Jeremiah with approval of God and prior Consent of God to apply , he gives over his human body to the Spirit, and the Spirit possesses the man , physically and causes the mouth to operate and voice comes out, as if Jeremiah was a Puppet. So Jesus said to the Jews , "If by the Finger of God , I do these things ( miracles ) then you know that the Kingdom of God has come to you " Jesus was implying that his corporal mass was used by God in Heaven as a Speaker, like the speaker on your television , radio or computer, it was physical sound and people used their ears to hear it, and so the Word of God means the Priest is under RAPTURE by GOD, and the VOICE coming out of the mouth of the Priest was GOD doing it. So the Father can be in the Son , and the Son is in the Father, with the Spirit is somewhat understood as a SHAMAN ACCOUNT. So the original estate of God at Peace or at Rest, in the darkness of the Void before the Creation was simply SPIRIT, and there was no divinity , it was just the entire mystery of God as One, but to accomplish a complex ritual of events, the Priesthood channeled God through the flesh of the "Anointed One". So if God prepared a physical body of Jesus , as a Puppet and the only LIFE in the body of Jesus is GOD, then Jesus is effectively God. In that account, Jesus did not have a privacy or personal life apart from God, he only appeared as long as God was contemplating the events designed to teach the People a lesson. So before any Titles God is vagary or ambiguity of SPIRIT to which no man can define that , but when God performed specific deeds, God became so named as associated to the deeds done, and taking away the behavior of God, to find God at Rest, you enter a VOID of NOTHINGNESS. So, the SPIRIT is the same substance that then accomplishes the Father and the Son , by the Spirit. So you want to know what is that "SPIRIT" you are calling God ??? Only God could explain that. 3=1
Thanks
Does God ever talk to us in our head?
I was always wondering how Abraham recognized the Lord, how did Abraham know he talked with God.
Genesis 17
1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect
Genesis 18
1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Seems like the first time God introduced Himself then after that Abraham knew Him when he saw Him again.
lw216316 Most likely, but when was that ?
@@danieljust295 Look at the beginning of this comment gen 17:1
lw216316 Right. So Gen 17 seems to imply Abraham saw God, yet in Exodus 33 God says that no one can see him and live. Any thoughts of that ?
@@danieljust295 Are you baiting me or do you really want to know?
Wow. Yes. So, this embodied being, is pre-incarnateJesus himself? And, are there references to "The Word of the Lord" appearing, or coming to someone "via" an Angel...? For example, an Angel-- a different embodied being who is not Jesus, but who is nevertheless bringing "The Word of the Lord" to a prophet or servant? In other words, can this phrase be used both as a reference to the physical appearing (and Identity) of the Lord himself (albeit in a pre-incarnate form), while also as the message brought forth by other servant Angels?
Gen 15:1 After these things, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision.... The word of the Lord can denote a visional experience of God. Book of Samuel: There was no frequent vision. The Lord came and stood. This is the language of embodiment. A supernatural being, God, appearing as a man. The Word of the Lord. The Lord appeared to Samuel at Shiloh as the word of the Lord or God appearing as man. Jeremiah: Now the word of the Lord came to me saying...The Lord, Yaweh, put out his hand and touched Jeremiah's mouth. Embodiment to a tactile experience. God can show up in human form and He is referred to as the Word of the Lord. (Study notes, forgive the post)
Did you notice the separation between the word of the Lord and God in 1Sam 3:13? The same way you are bringing your point to light between the spoken word and a actual being, this verse clearly brings a separation between the Word and God. Also I was wondering if you have pondered the feud between Jesus and the Satan, being that Jesus is referred to as the Angel of the Lord? As I wonder why the Satan would put up such a fight against God it makes sense to me that he would think himself on equal ground with Jesus, as He is referred to as the Angel of the Lord. Brain tickler.
Question: Do you think that all of the animal species with all of the food to feed them was literally on a boat that was about 500 feet in length? You do realize that just the animal feed for a handful of all the animal species such as Cattle, Sheep, Goats, Elephants and Rhinos would take up the majority of this boat. For instance.... In a zoo, a typical adult elephant may eat 4-5 bales of hay and 10 - 18 pounds, or 4.5 to 8 kg, of grain a day. This amounts to a yearly quantity of more than 29,000 kg of hay and 2700 kg of feed per animal, The normal daily water(fresh) consumption is 25 - 50 gallons per animal, or 100 - 200 liters.
The math literally doesn't add up. That's just one elephant not 2 or 7 which is another number mentioned in Genesis. So if 2 elephants actually eat 10 bales of hay per day then that is 3650 bales of hay just for TWO ELEPHANTS PER YEAR. Here is the problem.... that's just two animals not 14000 animal species that would have been on the ark. This the impossibility of this much feed being on the Ark is apparent along with the fact that 14000 animals cannot fit on a boat that is 500 feet in length let alone all the feed to feed them for an entire year. I know a rich person who has a 200 foot yacht and trust me it isnt as big as it may see. I am curious to hear your thoughts.
Do tell me why I should believe that.
Also, 40 days and 40 nights for the ark. 40 years in the wilderness for Moses and 40 days of Jesus temptation. Kinda weird don't you think? Almost like they copied it or the numerology meant something that has long since been lost or hidden by secret societies.
There are also other problems with the Bible. Deuteronomy 32:8 talks about how a God named(Elyon gave the nations over to other Gods(Bene Ha Elohim) and Yahweh who is just one of these Gods got Israel. SO... yeah the bible is polytheistic not monotheistic. Thoughts? Did you ever read your bible and think about it?
According to the Gospel of John, the Word is God, that being Yahusha. So every time I hear "the Word of the Yahuah" (or LORD) I believe it was the Son or Yahusha.
OK, I was driving and may have missed it, but I didn't hear Dr. Heiser mention that the Hebrew word translated "word" is "d'bar" and also means "message", so that "ha' d'bar-YHWH" also means "the message of YHWH". That's much easier to understand.
If it's ha'debar it's a specific word. And it should be the same debar everytime it's used. Whereas if it's just referring to a word/message in general it should take no definite article. This becomes in a sense a proper noun phrase or title of something specific. Similar to the concept of the holy spirit or the angel of the presence.
Exodus 3:13-14
Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”. God said to Moses. “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
John 15
"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE."
John 8:58
“ 'Very truly I tell you,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I AM!' .”
John8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I AM THE LIGHT OF THIS WORLD. Jesuses said "He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life." (Genesis 1:3-5, on the 1st day of creation. The Sun was created on the 4th day of creation Genesis 1:14-18).
John 10:9
"I AM THE DOOR. If anyone ENTERS BY Me, he will BE SAVED, and will go in and out and find pasture."
Exodus 12
"Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household...The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect...all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to TAKE SOME OF THE BLOOD AND PUT IT ON THE sides and tops of the DOORFRAMES of the houses... I am the Lord. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are, and when I WILL SEE THE BLOOD, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt."
John 10
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, I AM THE DOOR of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I AM THE DOOR: by me if any man enter in, HE SHALL BE SAVED, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."
John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, "I AM THE RESURRECTION AND LIFE. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"
(IN THE OLD TESTAMENT) Daniel 12:1-2
“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."
So would it be ok to say that it was Jesus appearing to Abram and Jeremiah etc...? Since John 1 says Jesus IS the Word? 🤷🏻♀️
Yes
Weird I was just thinking about if the word of God literally turned into a person lol
I’d say that the Word of God ‘turned out to be’ not ‘turned into’ 🥴
yes its a person like in 1 kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?
Very strong Scripture , Jesus bless u
God always chose when and how he would appear to his elect. Exodus 24:10 Numbers 12:8 Moses Aaron, Abihu, Miriam saw God.
Why does Jesus say No one has ever seen the Father but me
@@marytoye1472 Because Jesus is the Son who is sent by the Father.
John 8: 18
I am one that bears witness of myself and the Father that SENT me bears witness of me.
John 8:29
And he that SENT me is with me the Father has not left me alone for I always do those things that please him.
John 12: 45
And he that SEES me SEES him that sent me. ( THE FATHER )
John 14:9
He that has SEEN ME has SEEN the Father.
The only way to the Father is thru the Son
Hopes that helps"
All eventually comes down to reading the Word
Most read the word with the latest "hot shot book" in their hand, not even bothering to go and read and see if it is so, in context
Sad day we are in that the believers do not know their Bible because its read in snippits.
Get well soon precious brother, the body needs stable teaching without the blah blah
Blessings in abundance
Keep on keeping on
Heads up
Eyes open
No fear
Many religious Pharisees read & know the scriptures by memory but they don’t know Yehovah personally they know of HIM two totally different things
You Must Be Born Again From Above
The logos is alive and active the power and wisdom of the father. The same power that he spoke all creation into being. The logos doesn't become a noun until its formed in you at your new birth or spiritual resurrection. As a new creation as it was for Jesus clearly stated in Romans 1:3-4. When the 1st Adam dies and last Adam rises within us. (New spiritual man) When we are born of the spirit. Its NOT a preincarnate human being who was born of a virgin. Chosen at birth but not literally conceived. That happens when all humans are born from above I John 3:7-11. All elect firstfruits of the spirit are begotten of the same logos. I Peter 1:18, 1:18, I John 1:3 kjv. The church was deceived soon after 70 ad.
The logos (light) in you is the hope of glory. The Most High is the father of LIGHTS. Plural. There is more than one Son of God. Ex 4:22, Hosea 11:1, Jer 2:3. All israel is the Son of God.
When you speak and every word you speak is made manifested,...... then you speak with a different kind of consideration for the TRUTH.
The word of God is His character.
Why, then, do many Christians call their Bible the word of God?
I can understand it as the Word of God revealed, but not as the Word.
Tradition. The “word” in the New Testament is perhaps 99% of the time referring to the gospel message specifically.
So why is the word not regarded to as the fourth member of God?
I presuppose because the word became flesh, being Jesus Christ. But prior to Jesus birth?
I’m not trying to heretical, just trying to understand.
If I understand your question right, you are presenting a question in a form that echoes the position of the Nestorian heresy.
In traditional, orthodox christology, the "second Person" of the Trinity is one Person, regardless pre- or post- Incarnation. Human Jesus is not one Person, with pre-incarnate Word being a different Person, somehow integrated. They are one Person only.
The concept of "Person", however, it should be noted... the word 'person' itself is a nuanced concept in traditional, Christian theological discussions. The word 'hypostasis' (literally meaning something like 'subsistence') in the Greek, is the word that is usually translated as "Person". The classical sense of Triadology regards _persons_ primarily in their relations to one another, whereas in our modern, English sense of the word "Person", we tend to think in terms of 'individuals', or 'people'. The Persons exist in relation with, not independently of, one another.
To illustrate the significance of this, Jesus (again, according to orthodox theological tradition) uniquely has two wills, a human will and a divine will. We are also told in Scripture that, according to his humanity, he grew in knowledge. But these considerations do not make Jesus to be two persons, one divine and one human. He is always the one Person, and now having taken on human nature, he remains the one Light of Light, both fully human and fully divine.
Hope that helps.
@@Giant_Meteor thank you very much.
I understand this soundeded heretical, but that’s why I asked the question, so I don’t end up with a wrong doctrine. The way the Term “Word” is used through the Bible has caused me some trouble in terms of understanding.
I’m definitely going to spend more time on and in the Word of God.
@@blakehoward9429 Two books you might try reading, if the subject of Christology interests you. They are both very old. I think it is good for modern Christians to stay in touch with the thoughts of previous generations of holy men.
On the Unity of Christ, by Cyril of Alexandria
On the Incarnation, by Athanasius
Yes.
Jesus is the Word of God John 1:1
Isn’t convenient for the word of God to be learnt orally and written? Why would it turn into a person especially seeing the fact that Jesus is no longer with us.
T.V wrong he is with us
John 14:26 the Comforter.
Gerald Johnson the Comforter is rather Holy Spirit who mingles with our spirit so we can have the mind of Christ and we can understand heavenly things - this is how Paul explains.
1 Cor 2
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
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Gerald Johnson Yes, Christ is within us and we are His temple, he is within our spirit. This is what Comforter ( or Teacher) is. It’s his spirit, but Christ is in Heaven sitting on the throne.
Sophia
If you are an idolator, you will see things normal people don’t. It speaks to the like minded, idolators, who are caught up in euphoriof an enchantment(seduced). These are also generally clueless to what’s relevant information(cutting through the thickness of theology and supernaturalism ) and what’s not. Those who receive idolators have always have their minds blown out of this world or simply in awe(not in the present of mind).
Mar 7:6 And he said unto them, Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.
Mar 7:8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.
1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS
1Ti 4:2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
There are no “bogeyman” hidden in your closets. Doctrines of men or demons, they are one and the same.
Normal people knows how to be grounded in reality. Don’t conflate what has been traditionally understood and narrated before the Age of Enlightenment and as man progressively move towards greater enlightenment or revelations.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became FLESH, and TABERNACLED among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.
Idolators couldn’t see the TABERNACLE expressed through Christ and have made an idol out of him.
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is NOT of God. And THIS IS THE antichrist you heard is coming, and even now is already in the world.
“….giving heed to SEDUCING spirits and doctrines of demons…”
Gal 5:20 IDOLATRY, SORCERY, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, DIVISIONS, HERESIES,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, DRUNKENNESS(high spirits, spirit of euphoria,fantasy,delusion), revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Sorcery = “Excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural”
Indeed, “demons”(a supernatural expression) in the midst of your congregations, seated as…God(whose mouth is the “word of god” to you)
The word is God Jesus , He is the man , and the word in the old testament and the new testament , It is Jesus who does the work.
The word ( DaBaR) of YHVH came to Jonah. D( the door ) Yeshua said I am the door,
B ( the house ) R ( the head ). Yeshua said in my Father’s house are many rooms ( the Father is the head of the house - temple) Got Torah Got Truth
i just thought of this one Jesus is on the right of GOD Who is one one the left the amen who punishes sinners? :))
TELL THEM ABOUT THE CODE IN PI, YOU HAVE IT HEISER!!! I DELIVERED IT TO YOUR SECRETARY. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT
Please elaborate!
I've had visions where the Lord was highlighting PI, would you please explain what you've discovered?
@@Julia-rd3lv you could find pretty much anything in pi, no? It goes forever
So why has the word of the LORD been so rare for the last 2000 years?
I hope Dr. Heiser answers this question.
This happened already twice in the history, there were two time periods of 400 years during the Lord spoke no words. It was the time when the Gentile civilizations emerged : Egypt, China.
If we live in the time of the Gentiles then we should not be surprised that Lord doesn’t show up, or doesn’t show up often.
Read Revelation. We don’t need further prophecy or revelation. In fact, God makes clear no one is to add or take away from the Bible after the book of revelation. God shared what the end times will look like we need nothing further.
Travis Burch He was rather asking why God is not speaking in person to people as He did in OT.
The Word of the Lord is not rare. The bible says it is near you. The Lord is still speaking to His people today. He is even showing up among people who dont know Him. A Muslim came to our church and said that Jesus asked him to come. We then answered all his question and he yielded his heart to the Lord.
God has been silenced for a long time, but God’s word was already sent here again in this world since year 2011-2012.
But only few who have heard or received His calling from different countries, because the majority of the people are too busy in this noisy material world.
Their minds and hearts are so full of materialistic and there’s no place for the word of God to enter. Like what was happened at the birth of the Lord.
God sent one of His heavenly beings, before the chaos that is happening right now took place.
He’s one of the elders from Heaven, that I think it was Moses.
And once God spoke to someone, in a vision, the understanding and hearing will be from the hearts and not from the mind. Because the words of God written in the Holy Scriptures are all about our spirits within, as it was said that God is Spirit. John 4:24
Yes, this makes sense. I had already heard the concept regarding God walking in the garden but didnt know there were so many other passages with the implication. ( isnt this referred to as a theophany?) Not trying to be contradictory but a question just popped into my head: I f God appeared as man in the OT then why the need to be born of a woman in the NT? I know that sounds goofy but my brain is snagged on it. I mean I understand the message of Christ' s birth, death, and resurrection.
Because Christ had to fulfill all righteousness meaning in order to be from the line of David and have the fullness of the covenants he had to be born into a human lineage.
Divine beings, God included, maintain their divinity when they materialize into the 3rd dimension. In order for Christ to truly fulfill the law for man and conquer sin, he had to incarnate just as we did and experience every bit of our humanity. Simply materializing or appearing isn't the same as being born in the flesh. He descended into the lowest realm possible in order to fill all thing.
I hope that helps ☺️
He came in the flesh to be the perfect sacrificial lamb to be the atonement for all mankind.
Surprised you didn’t mention Ezekiel for that text says the Word of YHWH came to Ezekiel and Ezekiel gives a visual description, which makes the Word of Yah also the Glory of Yah, He is also the Messenger of the Covenant who will come suddenly to his Temple, and also The Angel (messenger) of Yah.
Yeah… I agree. But maybe it was in the video from which this short clip was taken. Yeah??
Amen
Then let me ask you this. Who is Jesus referring to in John 10:35 when He references Psalm 82 and "those to whom the word of God came"? This can not mean a council of pagan gods. You are talking about the times the word of God came to them here. He is referring to mortal men.
"If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken- do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
Maybe each nation/clan does have a Divine being, a principality, like Michael for Israel or the prince of Persia, etc, but I doubt Baal and Marduk and Horus were the ones in Psalm 82.
@Boris Disko
No, it's a heavenly scene. It says he (elohim) is in the midst of the council of El/ God.
Jesus calls the elohim of Psalm 82 as the 'Word of God' who Philo says is Melchizedek.
Interestingly, John 8 seems to many to be a reference to Christ meeting Abraham and Abraham seeing him and rejoicing. Abraham met Melchizedek.
Elohim in Hebrew means someone who has authority or power, a ruler over something. Only in this sense Elohim is translated as “gods”. The question then is can people be referred as Elohim (gods)?
@@eew8060 The comment makes no sense if he is referring to men. They accused Him of blasphemy. Nowhere is it blashepmy to refer to lowercase "G" gods as gods. It only makes sense if He is referring to men.
@@borisdisko4322
"Blasphemy" was the umbrella term. Like: 'You committed a traffic violation!' That could be any number of things, speeding, running a red light, reckless driving etc...They specifically accused him of "although being a man, claim to being God/ a god".
It makes plenty sense!
It doesn't make sense if it's mortal men.
@@eew8060 That's the only way it makes sense, otherwise it's not blasphemy. You are really stretching comparing blashemy to a traffic violation. C'mon man. You know exactly what it is and what they were accusing Him of, and it doesn't make sense if they were not talking about mortal men.
Although being a man He claimed to be God. That is exactly why He mentions Psalm 82, because men were referred to as gods. I will take Jesus's interpretation, where He clearly states that it is referring to those to whom the word of God came, mortal men, over any man's interpretation.
Are you trying to say that God rebuked Melchizedek? Now you're just making stuff up out of thin air. You really have to do some mental gymnastics to make this claim true.
When you have dreams, you don't see various things in your dreams? It's a vision in his head in a dream. It's not that difficult. It doesn't mean God walked up to him. If there is such a concept of a God in human form, why is it NEVER EVER clearly described that way? How hard would it have been to say this clearly? Did God want to hide this fact? Why in the world would He want to do that? Stop reading jesus into whatever you can. You need to use exegesis instead of eisegesis.
Memra.
Theophany.