Very good video and explanations. What I would do next is drain and fill the pan again, after about a week of normal driving. Than again about two months down the road. The fluid and transmission should be in good shape by then.
Strangely enough, looked under the Jag this AM. 40 degrees in the garage. NO LEAKING. Must be a Summer thing. Like I said.... the leak is not life ending. I like your attitude on Jags. I have owned a Jag Coupe for 16 years. I love different.... that is the Jag! Stay well! Thanks for all your help on this issue. Regards, Ben
Yep seals tighten up and fluid thickens the colder it gets. You drive it for a bit and it will of course it will leak until it cools again. Pulling my convertible apart now. I should have some new videos on transmissions after it is completed.
Thanks for the clear instructions! Just bought one of these with 110K and wow, was that transmission fluid nasty looking. Magnets were covered in goop as well. Had to be factory original making it 23 year old fluid - at least it didn't smell burnt. Took 5.5 qts. to get to the recommended stream coming out with 40 deg C at the pan. I think I'll do at least a couple of cold drain and fills on a yearly schedule as a follow-up.
You know... this car is gorgeous to look at and drive. That said, I am not going to reinvent the wheel. The leak is not all that bad. I have about a million in pan gaskets. I would not rebuild the tranny for a shifter seal. I have four other cars, so I guess I just like pain. Thanks for all your help! Best to you! Keep up the great videos!
Thanks for your info, I ordered the Rubber FK 354. I really want to do it without permatex. As you describe. Thanks again for all the coaching. Ill let you know how I make out. At this point. Ill have a Tranny shop that I know do it. I can wait for it. Stay well!
Thank-You for the part # I did Email them that I have a 1997. I have the sensors on the front of the Valve covers so I guess I have VVT. Thanks Again!! At 37.00 Dollars, that kit is a bargain! Jag dealers are selling for over 100.00 dollars. Each Bolt O ring is 8.00 Dollars if you don't watch it. Many Thanks!
Hi Thanks for the info! Will inquire as to whether it is rubber. No point in using another paper gasket. Did you use permatex with the rubber gasket? Thanks Again!
Hi-Any advice on which valve cover gaskets to use? I have one valve cover leaking. Left hand side. Should I do Both?? Thanks! have a Great Thanksgiving! I was telling a buddy what you said. If their on the road they are not leaking! Brilliant!
Not specifically a brand, just a full kit. One I have used is like the one listed below. It has all the bolt seals as well as the spark plug port seals. Also most kits I have found do not have the VVT seals so you will have to get them separately if your car has VVT. The kit below has them. Be sure to check the fit for your specific car. Jag did change a few things on the valve cover depending on the year and setup. Good luck. www.enginepartsonly.com/1999-jaguar-xk8-4-0l-valve-cover-gasket-set-vc4162g-e23/
can Valvoline max atf be used in olace of the febi. I had a 2000 Mercedes and the Valvoline Max worked just right. I was told these Jags have a Mercedes transmission. I habe a 2001 XJ8 and I'm assuming that the procedirw will be quite similar. Would you agree?
This is the ZF with a green tag on the side of the transmission. I have not seen anything that would suggest the use of any other fluid types would be safe. See the 2 minute mark I speak of this.
No problem.. Thanks for getting back! I am pleased to tell you my leak seems to disappear when I switched the tranny mode to Sport mode every now and then. Is this possible! Or it may be the Winter. Who knows with a car. Stay well! Ben .
The sport mode only prolongs the shifting times. It allows you to rev to higher RPMs before shifting. This makes the next gear start a bit higher in the revs giving a more aggressive driving experience. I don't see sport mode making any difference in fluid leaks but possibly the cold did thicken the oils. Easy way to check is get the car to normal operating temp while parked then shut it off and let it set to see if the leak comes back. Here's hoping it stays away.
I cant remember if these have a drain plug. A lot don't. If not it is drain fill and drive for a few hundred miles then drain fill again until the fluid is all clean when checked before a third or even forth drain and refill. You also could pull trans and pull converter to tip it around to get as much as possible out.
I have a 1997 XK-8 Where did you find a Rubber Gasket?? I tried using a paper one. I bought from the Jag Dealer part # JLM20204. I used Valvoline Max Life Fluid. But the paper gasket is leaking. Unfortunately, Have to redo the job. Thanks!
Latest Debacle: Cant get Rubber gasket from BMW. Can only get another PAPER crap gasket. Which RTV should I use?? Is there any Quick setting RTV I can use? I don't want to leave my Jag overnight, If I don't have to. I don't sleep well when my cars are not tucked in.
There are many different brands and most are good. I personally use the Permatex brand. For a Transmission if you must use RTV I suggest don't rush it. Start early and try to get it all together so it can set up while you eat lunch and do a few other things for the recommended setup time. Then drive sparingly if you must. Be sure to fallow the directions of the product you buy as best as possible. I have driven sparingly (handful of miles) after only 4 hours but don't like to if I don't have to. Best of luck.
Do you guys know where I can find a diagram key showing which solenoids control which shifts? I replaced the fluid with the correct fluid. I still get a hard into first and a delayed engagement in reverse and drive. I feel pretty good about the fill but may try to add more fluid of needed.
Thanks for this video. So my main problem was I was unable to get enough ATF fluid into the car. I was not using a lift but used a level on the transmission pan. But I went with your specs of how much atf the car should take and now it rides normally again.
That is all relative to the exact fault or faults. The best thing is to get the codes read out and check the forums etcetera to see what others have found for the common fix. It may be worth a try to change the fluid if it has been some time. The main issue there is, if there is a bad part you may be in a situation of having to catch the fresh changed oil in a clean container so to be used again. Best of luck to you.
The supercharged version should have the Mercedes-Benz W5A580 5G-Tronic. The non-supercharged should have the ZF 5HP24. This is from 1997 to 2002. The Merc will be somewhat different from the video. I can not tell you how much being I have never worked on one. It will likely use a different volume and type of fluid. As always please fallow the owners and shop manuals. Many differences can be had from one year to the next. Hope this helps.
I cant really see if you have a rubber gasket. Permatex would have to sit 24 hours before filling. Ill have to leave it with a mechanic I can trust. After pan removal, that thing will leak for a while. I guess if it was easy everyone would have a Stunning Coupe and that would suck. Love this car! Thanks for all your pointers! Ill let you know how I made out! Be well!
I was able to get a rubber seal for this job but I know many things are getting harder to get your hands on now. This is the kit I used on my 1999 XK8 with the ZF transmission. ( www.autohausaz.com/pn/FK354 ) This may fit your car depending on year and transmission in it. Hope this helps.
I have replace them in BMWs with ZF boxes and it is usually not to bad. Just find a manual and fallow it closely. I always use a factory manual. Some are hard to get but these XKs are not hard at at all. Make sure you run the car at idle go thru the gears slowly to prime them all. Do this before you drive off to test and go easy on the test drive. You don't want to risk slamming gears.
I have never owned or worked on a X150 generation. I am not sure how much of the transmission design carried over. I would check with Jag forums if you haven't already. They cover almost every model. www.jaguarforums.com/
This could change slightly depending on each car due to different levels of fluid allowed out. It wound up being around 5 and 1/3 quarts used when my car was completed. Best to fallow the instructions on transmission temp and small stream out of filler hole. That will get you to the proper fill level.
@@weekendwarriorgarage4402 i use jgate all the time because to me it should be easier on the trany that ur not using the "pressure build up" the auto uses at all to switch gears ur actually putting it in the gear manually and as long as u remove ur foot from gas untile it goes fully into the next gear i imagine jgate will actual save ur trany but u have no control over 1to 2 and i feel it when it switches idk if thats normal?
@@FederalTracks I suggest this form thread. It looks like these folks use the J gate more than I. It is not just for the XK8 but should cover much of the items you stated. Hope it helps. www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x-type-x400-14/driiving-j-gate-16188/
I had to use about 5L for mine. Be sure and fallow your models manual and make sure it is correctly filled. The process and volume can change for many reasons.
Had the car on the lift today. The mechanic insists it is leaking at the Shifter Shaft seal and the famous connector on top that you cant reach. They claim the best way to fix it is to swing the tranny. I have to think hard about that. $$$$$$$$$
The harness connector is a bit of an issue. The O-rings are know to leak and can be done without pulling the transmission but is much harder and will require the trans mount be loose to swing it over. That being said be prepared for other items that could give due to the flexing such as the engine mounts. Good luck to you.
Yes it was resolved by replacing the seal. Unfortunately I did not make a video of that. It required me to drop the transmission to get to the seal. So I had to remove the exhaust and drive shaft to do this. It was a big job thankfully I could spread it over a few weekends. My Account Icon is a picture of the seal and back of the crank shaft.
This was not a flush just a change. The old fluid was not burnt other wise I would have had to flush it with a lot more fluid and special flushing tools. There are other ways to flush as well but a lot more work. I am not an advocate of flushing old transmissions unless no other choice. I will likely run this fluid for a year and change it again. This will get most the old oil out. The third change one more year later should do the trick and allow for a change every 5 years from then on to keep it fresh.
I do believe that is true. Some years had VVT others did not. Auto makers do tend to do minor and sometimes major changes from one year to the next. The VIN on the car will help to narrow down any differences. Many venders can use this to help you get the right part.
It is very similar. It will fit a normal opening oil can though. I found it quite good for the job. No mess and not to expensive. Their are much better and faster options but they are much much more expensive. This tool is still used today so it has lasted quite well.
Very nicely done. Clear, concise and no annoying music. Thank you.
Very good video and explanations. What I would do next is drain and fill the pan again, after about a week of normal driving. Than again about two months down the road. The fluid and transmission should be in good shape by then.
Strangely enough, looked under the Jag this AM. 40 degrees in the garage. NO LEAKING. Must be a Summer thing. Like I said.... the leak is not life ending. I like your attitude on Jags. I have owned a Jag Coupe for 16 years. I love different.... that is the Jag! Stay well! Thanks for all your help on this issue. Regards, Ben
Yep seals tighten up and fluid thickens the colder it gets. You drive it for a bit and it will of course it will leak until it cools again. Pulling my convertible apart now. I should have some new videos on transmissions after it is completed.
Thanks for the clear instructions! Just bought one of these with 110K and wow, was that transmission fluid nasty looking. Magnets were covered in goop as well. Had to be factory original making it 23 year old fluid - at least it didn't smell burnt. Took 5.5 qts. to get to the recommended stream coming out with 40 deg C at the pan. I think I'll do at least a couple of cold drain and fills on a yearly schedule as a follow-up.
Was out in the Jag today! Stunning Car! Thanks for the info. Hope I never have to go that route. Stay well!
Enjoy and be safe.
You know... this car is gorgeous to look at and drive. That said, I am not going to reinvent the wheel. The leak is not all that bad. I have about a million in pan gaskets. I would not rebuild the tranny for a shifter seal. I have four other cars, so I guess I just like pain. Thanks for all your help! Best to you! Keep up the great videos!
You will be like many in old Jags. If it's not leaking it's out. Just keep an eye on the fluid levels and enjoy.
How do I know which solenoid is which?
greetings from England
This vid is grreat!
Thankyou so much. Very thorough.... just what i wanted
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for your info, I ordered the Rubber FK 354. I really want to do it without permatex. As you describe. Thanks again for all the coaching. Ill let you know how I make out. At this point. Ill have a Tranny shop that I know do it. I can wait for it. Stay well!
Best of luck to you.
Thanks Again! Happy Motoring!
Thanks, you too!
Thank-You for the part # I did Email them that I have a 1997. I have the sensors on the front of the Valve covers so I guess I have VVT. Thanks Again!! At 37.00 Dollars, that kit is a bargain! Jag dealers are selling for over 100.00 dollars. Each Bolt O ring is 8.00 Dollars if you don't watch it. Many Thanks!
Glad I could help. Good luck.
Hi Thanks for the info! Will inquire as to whether it is rubber. No point in using another paper gasket. Did you use permatex with the rubber gasket? Thanks Again!
No clean and dry only. be sure to check book for torque specs.
Hi-Any advice on which valve cover gaskets to use? I have one valve cover leaking. Left hand side. Should I do Both?? Thanks! have a Great Thanksgiving! I was telling a buddy what you said. If their on the road they are not leaking! Brilliant!
Not specifically a brand, just a full kit. One I have used is like the one listed below. It has all the bolt seals as well as the spark plug port seals. Also most kits I have found do not have the VVT seals so you will have to get them separately if your car has VVT. The kit below has them. Be sure to check the fit for your specific car. Jag did change a few things on the valve cover depending on the year and setup. Good luck.
www.enginepartsonly.com/1999-jaguar-xk8-4-0l-valve-cover-gasket-set-vc4162g-e23/
can Valvoline max atf be used in olace of the febi. I had a 2000 Mercedes and the Valvoline Max worked just right. I was told these Jags have a Mercedes transmission. I habe a 2001 XJ8 and I'm assuming that the procedirw will be quite similar. Would you agree?
This is the ZF with a green tag on the side of the transmission. I have not seen anything that would suggest the use of any other fluid types would be safe. See the 2 minute mark I speak of this.
No problem.. Thanks for getting back! I am pleased to tell you my leak seems to disappear when I switched the tranny mode to Sport mode every now and then. Is this possible! Or it may be the Winter. Who knows with a car. Stay well! Ben .
The sport mode only prolongs the shifting times. It allows you to rev to higher RPMs before shifting. This makes the next gear start a bit higher in the revs giving a more aggressive driving experience. I don't see sport mode making any difference in fluid leaks but possibly the cold did thicken the oils. Easy way to check is get the car to normal operating temp while parked then shut it off and let it set to see if the leak comes back. Here's hoping it stays away.
How do you drain and refil the torque converter?
I cant remember if these have a drain plug. A lot don't. If not it is drain fill and drive for a few hundred miles then drain fill again until the fluid is all clean when checked before a third or even forth drain and refill. You also could pull trans and pull converter to tip it around to get as much as possible out.
I have a 1997 XK-8 Where did you find a Rubber Gasket?? I tried using a paper one. I bought from the Jag Dealer part # JLM20204. I used Valvoline Max Life Fluid. But the paper gasket is leaking. Unfortunately, Have to redo the job. Thanks!
Looked thought my records and I believe I used this kit. FK354 Pro-King Products
GREAT VIDEO
Latest Debacle: Cant get Rubber gasket from BMW. Can only get another PAPER crap gasket. Which RTV should I use?? Is there any Quick setting RTV I can use? I don't want to leave my Jag overnight, If I don't have to. I don't sleep well when my cars are not tucked in.
There are many different brands and most are good. I personally use the Permatex brand. For a Transmission if you must use RTV I suggest don't rush it. Start early and try to get it all together so it can set up while you eat lunch and do a few other things for the recommended setup time. Then drive sparingly if you must. Be sure to fallow the directions of the product you buy as best as possible. I have driven sparingly (handful of miles) after only 4 hours but don't like to if I don't have to. Best of luck.
Do you guys know where I can find a diagram key showing which solenoids control which shifts? I replaced the fluid with the correct fluid. I still get a hard into first and a delayed engagement in reverse and drive. I feel pretty good about the fill but may try to add more fluid of needed.
A shop manual will give you this information. You can try this.
cardiagn.com/jaguar/jaguar-xk8/
Thanks for this video. So my main problem was I was unable to get enough ATF fluid into the car. I was not using a lift but used a level on the transmission pan. But I went with your specs of how much atf the car should take and now it rides normally again.
Glad to help. Nice to know one more still on the road. @@tainchains
Thanks! Clean and dry. Proper torque ... Got it! Thanks!
Glad it helped!
Thanks for the pointers! Will do!
Glad it was helpful.
Thanks so much for this great video. Very helpful.. Yeah,
please work on mine!
Glad it helped.
So gearbox fault is a transmission fluid change or could it be a bigger problem
That is all relative to the exact fault or faults. The best thing is to get the codes read out and check the forums etcetera to see what others have found for the common fix. It may be worth a try to change the fluid if it has been some time. The main issue there is, if there is a bad part you may be in a situation of having to catch the fresh changed oil in a clean container so to be used again. Best of luck to you.
Hey is this the same for a 2000 jaguar xjr? I removed drain plug but trying to make sure it's the same size torx bit 27
The supercharged version should have the Mercedes-Benz W5A580 5G-Tronic. The non-supercharged should have the ZF 5HP24. This is from 1997 to 2002. The Merc will be somewhat different from the video. I can not tell you how much being I have never worked on one. It will likely use a different volume and type of fluid. As always please fallow the owners and shop manuals. Many differences can be had from one year to the next. Hope this helps.
I cant really see if you have a rubber gasket. Permatex would have to sit 24 hours before filling. Ill have to leave it with a mechanic I can trust. After pan removal, that thing will leak for a while. I guess if it was easy everyone would have a Stunning Coupe and that would suck. Love this car! Thanks for all your pointers! Ill let you know how I made out! Be well!
I was able to get a rubber seal for this job but I know many things are getting harder to get your hands on now. This is the kit I used on my 1999 XK8 with the ZF transmission.
( www.autohausaz.com/pn/FK354 ) This may fit your car depending on year and transmission in it. Hope this helps.
Any experiemce replacing the shift solenoids. I am having issue going into reverse amd back into drive with hard shifting
I have replace them in BMWs with ZF boxes and it is usually not to bad. Just find a manual and fallow it closely. I always use a factory manual. Some are hard to get but these XKs are not hard at at all. Make sure you run the car at idle go thru the gears slowly to prime them all. Do this before you drive off to test and go easy on the test drive. You don't want to risk slamming gears.
And do check your fluid level after priming and test drive. Low fluid can cause delayed and or hard shifting.
Thank you. I have an xj8. but same thing. I don't have a lift so I depend on jackstands to get it level. Any tips for getting it level on jackstands?
Magnetic or tape on a level to the pan.@@tainchains
Is there anything different between the XK8 and the XK transmission fluid change I have an x150 model
I have never owned or worked on a X150 generation. I am not sure how much of the transmission design carried over. I would check with Jag forums if you haven't already. They cover almost every model. www.jaguarforums.com/
How much more fluid did you add after it warmed up?
This could change slightly depending on each car due to different levels of fluid allowed out. It wound up being around 5 and 1/3 quarts used when my car was completed. Best to fallow the instructions on transmission temp and small stream out of filler hole. That will get you to the proper fill level.
Bolts screwing into aluminum casing should be in stainless steel.
Where are you at? Any chance you could work on mine?
Thanks for the great video
I am in Texas. I do not work on cars professionally anymore. I only work on family and friends cars now days. Thanks for the comment.
question? my xk8 jerks alil when switching from 1 to 2 i notice 1 is a very short gear is this just my car or does urs do this to??
I have never noticed any jerks (hard shift???) in my car, even under hard acceleration.
@@weekendwarriorgarage4402 its not realy a jerk u just feel the switch from 1 to 2 is that normal?
@@weekendwarriorgarage4402 i use jgate all the time because to me it should be easier on the trany that ur not using the "pressure build up" the auto uses at all to switch gears ur actually putting it in the gear manually and as long as u remove ur foot from gas untile it goes fully into the next gear i imagine jgate will actual save ur trany but u have no control over 1to 2 and i feel it when it switches idk if thats normal?
@@FederalTracks I suggest this form thread. It looks like these folks use the J gate more than I. It is not just for the XK8 but should cover much of the items you stated. Hope it helps.
www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x-type-x400-14/driiving-j-gate-16188/
@@weekendwarriorgarage4402 lol i live in jgate i love it
How many liters of transmission oil is in the box ?
I had to use about 5L for mine. Be sure and fallow your models manual and make sure it is correctly filled. The process and volume can change for many reasons.
What does a rebuild and reseal go for on a Jag ZF tranny????
Not sure the full price but it would be high. Most likely around 500-1000 to get the tranny out. It would only go up from there.
I will be doing a pull and external reseal of all parts I can get my hands on. I will not be breaking the tranny down in this up coming video.
Had the car on the lift today. The mechanic insists it is leaking at the Shifter Shaft seal and the famous connector on top that you cant reach. They claim the best way to fix it is to swing the tranny. I have to think hard about that. $$$$$$$$$
The harness connector is a bit of an issue. The O-rings are know to leak and can be done without pulling the transmission but is much harder and will require the trans mount be loose to swing it over. That being said be prepared for other items that could give due to the flexing such as the engine mounts. Good luck to you.
did you resolved the rear main seal leak? how hard was that.
Yes it was resolved by replacing the seal. Unfortunately I did not make a video of that. It required me to drop the transmission to get to the seal. So I had to remove the exhaust and drive shaft to do this. It was a big job thankfully I could spread it over a few weekends. My Account Icon is a picture of the seal and back of the crank shaft.
What year is your XK?
1999 Coupe (red) and same on the Convertible (black).
Es un XJ8 x308?
No XK8 1999 with AJ 26 engine and ZF Transmission.
@@weekendwarriorgarage4402 OK thank you. The 1999 xj8 with V8 4.0 engine and gearbox is the same as yours?
@@tinovaj4857 I believe so but not 100% on the Transmission.
.....................what about the other 2/3rds of old fluid you have left in there?
This was not a flush just a change. The old fluid was not burnt other wise I would have had to flush it with a lot more fluid and special flushing tools. There are other ways to flush as well but a lot more work. I am not an advocate of flushing old transmissions unless no other choice. I will likely run this fluid for a year and change it again. This will get most the old oil out. The third change one more year later should do the trick and allow for a change every 5 years from then on to keep it fresh.
The 1997 is different than the 1999. That is what they replied. Must be a full Moon.
I do believe that is true. Some years had VVT others did not. Auto makers do tend to do minor and sometimes major changes from one year to the next. The VIN on the car will help to narrow down any differences. Many venders can use this to help you get the right part.
04 jag 30 gearbox lock in in park
Not sure what you are asking.
That pump is a normal fluidsoap pump you trow avay every 2week. What a joke
It is very similar. It will fit a normal opening oil can though. I found it quite good for the job. No mess and not to expensive. Their are much better and faster options but they are much much more expensive. This tool is still used today so it has lasted quite well.