She's on her way to being the next metal superstar. Her growls actually go much deeper, and both her screams and cleans go much higher. Most people start with their Pisces video. You'll see some of that in Pisces. If you would like to see her voice utilized to the best of its ability, try Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev or the official video for Ape. Every song they do is very different, from the way she looks, the video and the way that the band plays, who are collectively just as talented as she is. You should probably have the lyrics already as well. I know that growling is not the easiest to understand at first, but you'll find out that she is a fantastic lyricist and the messages of their songs are extremely deep.
Pisces live sessions is a good example of her cleans, growls and belts, Who Is Going To Be The One Live is a very good example of her switching from clean to growls to cleans and the depth of her growls.
Couldn't agree more. In general, they are a truly special, once in a lifetime band. I hope them all the success they deserve. Further to that, Tati could sing in any genre and wreck it.
Jinjer are from the Ukraine. English isn't even her second language yet she writes lyrics beautifully in English and sings amazingly in English as well. She's insanely talented.
Almost all ukrainians are bilingual. For 70% of ukrainians ukrainian is the first language and russian is second. But she is from the east, then russian is the first her language, ukrainian is second and english is third.
Jinjer is a severely underrated band, nobody outside of metal has really heard of them. It's not just Tati's vocals that are amazing, the rest of the band are absolute masters at their craft and the arrangements are mesmerizing. They deserve more fame than they currently have, for sure.
Fun fact: she's self-taught. Considering the technical difficulties of what she does live (many similar artists sound much better in studio recordings than live) she's really one of a kind.
She is just a natural vocal beast. I mean I was doing this inthe 90's. It was just called crowling or screaming noise. Today, it is,a vocal technique. As a woman,speaking out to all girls who wanna try and practice it... First of all... Put your tongue out of your way. That mykes it hard to pronounce, for example "r". You have to mask it. The sound is not coming out of your chest,belt or head. It is hard to explain but it has a lot to do with your jaw position and your mouth and brathing technics. The impresdive thing she foesisthe switching. I cannot do that. My voice is to deep. Maybe if I practice. I am pretty much singing along with the bass singer from.Pentatonix. but it does not matter... It's all technique...even if you are a soprano....you can do it.
There have been several relatively high profile female singers who've done growls and screams (first that pops into my mind is Angela from Arch Enemy or Otep Shamaya from Otep), but Tatiana is probably the best one so far and easily outclasses most male harsh vocalists + plus the fact that she can also just sing really well in general. Reminds me of Opeth a little
@@baridormiracle4189 I can guarantee I've listened to enough bands in my life from plenty of subgenres (both as a teen and as an adult for 2 decades at this point) that I can say that with a fair bit of confidence. When I say 'most' I don't think you really grasp just how many mediocre 00s nu/metalcore frontmen there are (just as an example, of course, if you start digging through random one-off death/black/thrash/hardcore bands and even some relatively known acts, it gets much worse)
@@darko1295 into eternity's former singer stu block is one that comes to mind who can belt out every type of metal growling plus different clean types, high ranges etc.
Knowledge of technique is different to knowledge of genre. I know very little about jazz but if i were to watch a jazz guitarist play I could describe exactly what he was doing purely based on my knowledge of the guitar.
“I wasn’t expecting the dark lord himself to arise from the stage” loved that comment but would reeeeealy suggest you react to demolisher from slaughter to prevail. One of the hands down best male metal vocalists with his range of techniques within the style.
Jinjer is best described as a progressive metal band and this is probably their best composition. They're phenomenal musicians in addition to her amazing vocal ability and performing talent. This is lightning in a bottle. I've been listening to heavy metal over 30 years and Jinjer is the most exciting band in a long, long time. My wife and I went to see them last fall and she does all of that live -- and here in Portland on the last tour date still sounded awesome.
Your the first of all the reaction / reviewers that actually had some real knowledge about how she pulled off such vocal sounds with her voice. Thank you. Finally found out
Hmmm ? How about a symphonic metal band from Finland called Nightwish and the song "Ghost Love Score" from the Wacken Outdoor metal festival. This band and their female singer Floor Jansen are at a different level. You might also enjoy Floor and Henk Poort doing the duet from The Phantom of the Opera on the Dutch tv show Beste Zangers.
You have to watch the video for Devin Townsend - Kingdom live for EMGTV. I would love to see your input and analysis on how Devin uses his voice, both screaming and various types of clean vocals. No exageration when I say he's regarded as almost a godlike figure among heavy music/metal.
If you do Nightwish, (what am I saying, there's no IF!!!) prepare for your channel to blow up again. Tool, Nightwish, Slipknot, Rammstein, Jinjer are the big ones guaranteed to blow up your subscriber base.
All of the stage performances from Jinjer are Awsome and so good sounding. The guys on the instruments are on point every song and supporting her voice perfectly i really love this band :D
The funniest thing she has said in any interview is when she is asked about her vocal techinque.... she actually said she cannot explain how she does it herself.... and I'm over here like...can someone sit this woman down and perform a scientific study of her techinque and teach it in music schools, because to me her voice is out of this world!
Very occasionally i can hit notes that terrify my neighbors. They complained to my boyfriend's mother when she was down one summer. We live in a VERY uptight area.
i wrote it under ya dimash video already. but: dig into "nightwish" and start with "ghost love score". you can do "greatest show on earth", "poet n the pendulum" n letz say "Romanticide". ALso once you re a bit familiar with nightwish plz do "floor jansen and henk poort - phantom of the opera"
you should breakdown the vocals of Slaughter to Prevail - Demolisher. The deep growl is in Russian and would like to see if you know how a person can do that.
As a metalhead it's pure joy how through all sorts of people she impresses, love how open you are towards different music. (judging from this being the first video I've seen of you :) )
You could literally go through almost every video Jinjer has on RUclips and hear a different sound from this band. Tatiana is one of the best vocalist's in the world right now with the things she can do with her voice.
5:21 vocal fry is not dangerous at all, infact it is good for the vocal chords as a warmup technique. vocal fry is actually used to creat fry grit and fry screams which are typically much higher in pitch and volume than the vestibular growls she is doing. the myth of vocal fry damaging the vocal chords comes from a technique called sub-harmonic fry grit. mongolian throat singing is a great example of sub-harmonic fry grit. many people who try to imitate sub-harmonic fry grit accidentally use epiglottal grit which is the fastest way to damage vocal chords. but normal vocal fry has nothing to do with that, so there is no danger (unless you badly imitate cookie monster, or mongal singing).
It's true that the death growls are mostly seen as a male thing, but for at least the last twenty years female singers have been using the technique. It's always difficult to tell who the first one was, but Otep Shamaya in Otep and Angela Gossow in Arch Enemy are probably among the first, both bands releasing albums in the early 2000:s. I'm no expert on this, but from what I understand the technique isn't gender specific, it's just cultural barriers that have made it more unusual for women to do it, and to appear in metal bands at all, something that seems to be changing lately.
I am most mention that girls have been doing growl since early 90's, some very early demos with very *garage* sound from late 80's I have discovered also. Right now, you have alot of good female vocals that are using only growl. Some bands: Infected Rain, Izegrim, Asagraum (All female Black Metal) and Konvent (All female doom/death metal band).
Tatiana has the best female growl in Metal. Her voice is 100% her own, with no enhancements. Her transitions are amazing. Check out I Speak Astronomy and Pisces Live session.
Dude, watching your face as soom as she started singing after the first verse was priceless. I think I saw your brain actually break for a second there.
You nailed the explanation on the growling, Unleash the Archers is a band with a very intriguing sound. I would suggest Awakening, Cleanse the Bloodlines, Northwest Passage or General of the Dark Army as intros to the band. I also agree with the Nightwish recommendations Phantom of the Opera has been done by almost all of their singers but Ghost love score is amazing as well
Tatiana's really impressive. She's the only female growler I know who sounds like male growlers. Ken, you should check out their Teacher Teacher song. She switches back and forth between the two techniques mid-sentence, it's mindblowing!
@@zel545 Thanks for the suggestion. I watched a few videos, including live recordings, and though she's talented I can clearly hear she's female when she growls. With Tatiana, if I didn't know better I could swear the growler was male.
What always stuns me about this performance is that lengthy belt before the "From the ashes of my roots" section. For the last song of the set, her being obviously tired, doing all these physical moves... it's crazy that she still had the energy to do that, lol.
She doesn't particularly enjoy going for lots of upper-5th-octave pop singer "money" belts, & so only pulls them out when a given song seems to demand it.... but she absolutely *can* deliver those high-end belts as well as the majority of chart pop singers when she decides to. Her influences are more reggae/ska & Amy Winehouse than anything you may have been expecting btw! ;)
Awesome Vid! I would like to clarify one point tho: There are 40-ish types of different distortions. I'm studying and, by the moment, I can reproduce 8-9 of them. Some have particular names, some are combinations of these names. One of these effects I can make is pretty similar to Tatiana's and is not made with the vestibular folds. Some time ago, when the studies about vocal distortions were starting, they thought that vocal folds couldn't make that sound so it should be other part of the system. That's correct. To make the "Death Growl" you have to use the corniculate cartilages. Vestibular Folds are not used in this distortion. Death Growl is a "supraglotic" distortion, so it is achieved by breaking the air flow. You let your vocal folds open, the air passes through and you break that flow with your corniculate cartilages, that is a structure above the vocal folds. The (in)famous "False Cords" are the main structure where the corniculate cartilages are, but are not involved in the distortion. (Edit: so this distortion should be called something like "Corniculate Growl" instead of "False whatever") Hope I explained my self well. Cheers, awesome vid! PS: pardon any grammar mistake, English is not my native language.
When did these studies start? And what is the nature of those studies? Camera with strobe light down the throat? Ultrasound to the neck? Do you have any citations you'd like to share? I've not looked into this so I'm up for anything.
@@utuebmakeustupid I've been studying fo a year now, but in less than a month I learned Corniculate and "Grunt" (the one used by Corey Taylor, among others). I'm trying to learn distortions in the upper register (above B4 and beyond). Highest distorded note/sound I can make is a C6. My aim is learning Dani Filth's whistle distortion who sits around the 7th octave. As for the studies, they started around the 70' by Seth Riggs. He basically created the basic criteria for studying the voice besides the "Classical Training". Seth created "Speech Level Singing" where the idea was to control the voice via volume (hence the name) in order to explore other vocal habilities. Microphones where a huge thing, because you could amplify the volume via speaker and not straining your voice. Later on,(I think the 90', not sure tho) "Complete Vocal Technique" was created in Denmark by Catherine Salodin. Here, the first concepts of different types/kinds of voice appeared. Then, people like Melissa Cross started to keep digging further and nowadays we have access to a lot of information. Thing is, we as consumers/students have to be very cautious because this kind of vocal techniques are equivalent to olimpic excercises. Thing is, if you don't have a proper coach, you can harm yourself pretty bad. PS: Sorry any grammar mistake, English is not my native language.
@@utuebmakeustupid also, yes. There are studies with cameras down the throat where you can see how everything works. I've seen my own vocal chords because of this :) I think is called "Nasofibroscopy" or something like that, in Spanish at least it's called like that.
@@utuebmakeustupid My vocal coach and his vocal coach/partner, are developing a "new branch" of study with "Anthropophysiology" as the main thread. This approach is very interesting due to the fact that many cultures are "used to" certain sounds depending on the region, background culture and history. Some African Tribes, for example, have "Ng", "kq", and "kx" sounds on their vocabulary, sounds that are super weird for others. Mongolians (and some say Vikings) have this "throaty" sound that's called "karyirá". This distortion is what is usually called "throat singing". ( A "rattle" + a whistled note produced by the position and shape of the tongue, lips and vocal cavity). Super interesting if you ask me. Hope it helped, good day! :)
If you want to see the best female growler that I know, check out Som Pluijmers, she has a youtube channel where she explains how to train your throat for those sounds. She started to sing like that as young as 12 and was already in a band as she was 16. Her genre is much more agressive though, I should warn you ^^
2:08 she's smiling cuz she knows how much that switch is screwing with first-time listeners heads haha. The sound quality is great in large part because Wacken isn't really a music festival, it is an outdoor recording studio with an 80,000 live audience. To see her segue into a totally different genre check out Judgement & Punishment live in Melbourne. Best belting performance IMO is I Speak Astronomy at Resurrection Fest (no separate video but this links to it and the venue has said they are fine with reactions ruclips.net/video/4HW-ACeiUMI/видео.htmlm02s). She can go lower with the growls in Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev. Cheers!
I've done tech for several festivals in the EU and some in the US and because the big ones in several EU nations are also partially or fully televised (and these days fully streamed), the festivals are pretty much gigantic outdoor studios with a crapload of spectators. The ones that stood out the most to me were Wacken, Werchter and Pinkpop. Even the side stages and club stages are wired up like a freshly built studio. Usually it's just the main stage. Hence why you have so many bands that have DVD releases either all from one festival or the best ones picked from the several festivals. Doing the same level of recording at a venue organizing your own tech would be ridiculously expensive in comparison and with that is often only done by bands like Metalica and some of the major pop singers.
@@enlightendbel I hope that didn't come off as criticism of Wacken, I watch a lot of Jinjer's live stuff as well as some other bands to a lesser extent, and I just don't hear the same recording clarity in the stuff from most other festivals.
If you want another female who can rip it like that, check out Rule of Nines by Spiritbox. Courtney (the lead singer) does a one take live version and it is breathtaking.
people will no doubt mention archenemy when it comes to female deathmetal voices,but i always preferred Simone "Som" Pluijmers during her time in cerebral bore & Mallika Sundaramurthy from abnormality. i would reccomend 'cerebral bore-the bald cadaver' ,she doesnt do clean singing,but the grunts and pigsqueels are amazing.
She can get much deeper - "Who is Gonna Be the One? (Live), and much higher - "Pisces" (live session). The band is absolutely tight. The skipping is unnecessary and distracting. Pausing is a lot better, though you will get complaints about that, too.
He might be doing so for copyright reasons, but Napalm Records understands that this is what is making Jinjers fanbase grow and hasn't sent take downs to anyone afaik. There is no such thing as MTV anymore.
what ive heard from other vocal coaches as what we percieve as her doing a low tone is not low but actually just distorted by the vocal chords/throat and a note thats in her normal range
Queen Tati is awesome! As is the rest of the band, catch their recordings where they focus on 1 instrument, especially the base is insane, especially on Who is gonna be the one
All hail the reigning Queen of Metal!! Very important note: Never cut the video short before the Queen takes a bow!! She will then smile as sign of consent for closing the video and ONLY then will you proceed to close it. That´s all for now, you may be excused.
From MetalHead to another. I Love Tati till death. Still there is only one Queen of Metal and You and Me both know who She is! Dont want to go to that, with You. This is Jinjer reaction so I'll wait my turn...(Takes jacket and hat and turns away) 😊.
I will continue to re-iterate the comments across multiple videos of yours: Devin Townsend will blow your mind. Dude is a fucking master of the clean/growl performance...him and Mikael Åkerfeldt
You should've started with Pisces. Even though it was still cool watching your shocks reaction here, I think it would've been funnier watching you get shocked at her switching between her clean vocals and her growly vocals. Most vocal coaches have hilarious reactions to that one. You can still watch it, but you're not gonna be a shocked now that you've seen this first. Oh well.
Haha yeah Pisces leads the listener gently into an epic vocal ambush. First listens get more views than any other Jinjer video because it gets both the fans and people who just want to watch folks spit their drinks over their computer.
There have been and currently are several female vocalists who employ this alternating clean/growl technique. You can actually put Janis Joplin on this list, because even though she didn't growl, she was still the first popular female vocalist to employ screaming into her act. The first female to popularize its current form though, was Otep Shamaya back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Since then there have been dozens of female vocalists who have mastered it. Tatiana of Jinjer stands out among them because of how smooth and jazzy her voice is. She's a sultry, sexy demoness with a powerful stage presence.
Ken Lavigne can you please react to SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL- DEMOLISHER and dissect how Alex Terrible is achieving his EPIC vocals? And a bonus is that the drummer is a complete BEAST
1:58 - “Sean, you totally set me up!” Indeed-full marks to Sean. Keep it up, mate! All jest aside, if you might like to listen to more Jinjer, I think you’d really enjoy “Teacher, Teacher” ruclips.net/video/oRkRwL0vjOg/видео.html and “Who Is Gonna Be the One” ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html -and that’s just to name two among many others!
check out the pioneers: Otep, I wrestled a bear once, Arch Enemy there are a few Female lead "screamer" bands. And many that I missed, I am sure some one will fill in other details. Check out her song "Teacher Teacher". I like that one as well. I saw her in Phoenix pre-covid, I took the kids we all had a great time.
I did the countdown and, like 99% of reactions, there came the typical "The Dark Lord" comment at her heavy vocals. Sad there's so much built-up presupposition to metal music. I'd like to point out, and I have it on good authority, that The Devil actually sounds like Elmo. Anyway, glad he gave it a fair shake and saw the incredible technique and talent here (by the whole band). Cheers.
Congratulations, I've been watching many vocal coach reactions to Jinjer (and other artists with a style, but very few can describe actually how those growls are produced. Most of them mistake it for vocal fry and I have no idea how they don't realize that had she done that with vocal fry she'd be unable to speak after 2 minutes...
Nightwish either Ghost love Score (2013 Wacken), Poet and the Pendulum or Greatest Show on Earth (2015 Wembley) will blow your mind. Or if you want to dive deeper into metal I recommend Slipknot, Spit it out live at download 2009. Shows why Slipknot is a masterclass at crowd control
If you enjoyed that, there is an other great video in much higher quality highlighting what she can do: JINJER - Pisces (Live Session) | Napalm Records its 100% worth it
You should try other JINJER videos like (PISCES)live sessions & ( WHO IS GOING TO BE THE ONE) live at ressurection fest.there is also old school stuff like (OUTLANDER) & (scissors) both original videos. ENJOY!!!
I know an amazing vocalist that is similar to her , and she has already started having problems with her vocals. If she continues smoking it will get worse eventually
Hey Ken! I am a metal vocalist. When she gets into the growly part, that's called a guttural vocal. What she's actually doing is pushing air from her diaphragm, and then throttling back in her throat. There is absolutely no pain or anything caused when you do it this way. It's purely happening in the diaphragm and the mouth. Literally the way you hit that tone is to just breath out with an "UGH" and then just pretend to be a dragon. Tatiana is one of the most impressive female vocalists in metal today, but also check out In This Moment and Halestorm for some very impressive female vocals.
To make you a bit astounded, Tatiana can make supportive, two different notes at the same time. Forget what it's called, but you know what I'm talking about. Possibly head and chest voice doing different notes, one cleaner, another not so much. Within all her live songs she uses echo, supportive, and occasional double note vocals, done by herself.
That's stupidly difficult to learn to do. A good starter for 10 is if you can teach yourself to whistle one note and hum another. That teaches you to separate out two tones from two completely different pitch-making systems, and to vary them from one-another with independent timing and pitch. You know you can do it well when you can sing a 2 part round with yourself.
@@mrpocock Thanx, that's very useful trick! Been myself drumming for sometime, by now. I used to sing/growl before on the gig, it didn't went so well, not a frontman here. Although playing drums and singing double voiced backup is something worth doing. Similarly, there's a band called Haken and their Gentle Giant'ish influence. Check them out, I call them Masters of Modern Prog Metal. Titanical talents... Coackroach King is their standard listen.
this "screams" called extream vocals. It healthy to you voice, if you learn it in correct way. It's a lot information in youtube about this. Chester Bennington, Ronnie Radke, Marco Hietala and many metal vocalists use this technic, but many vocalists isn't use healthy technic, and just lose their voices. Tatiana is one of the bests. This technic can be learned by any person, man, or female. It's based on using your false chords, not the vocal chords, and mixing it with any note on your register! Just two diferent sounds in your throat at the same time. This technique can be compared to guitar distortion, you have to have an open and not clamped voice, in any register, chest / mixed / head, and separately trained distortion. Then people learn to mix a clean voice with distortion and change the percentage of it.The distortion itself is formed due to the almost complete relaxation of the voice, and the auxiliary sound for the distortion output is a fry voice! With the proper skill, you can change the mixture as you like, do both a light raspy voice like Nickelback (a lot of clean, little distortion), and a wild bear roar, or a demonic scream like a Jinjer or LP (more distortion, less clean sound) While maintaining support and breath control. Only in this way, the voice will not get hurt! Hello from fans from Russia!!! Sorry for my English xd.
She's on her way to being the next metal superstar. Her growls actually go much deeper, and both her screams and cleans go much higher. Most people start with their Pisces video. You'll see some of that in Pisces. If you would like to see her voice utilized to the best of its ability, try Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev or the official video for Ape. Every song they do is very different, from the way she looks, the video and the way that the band plays, who are collectively just as talented as she is. You should probably have the lyrics already as well. I know that growling is not the easiest to understand at first, but you'll find out that she is a fantastic lyricist and the messages of their songs are extremely deep.
much deeper... search for pisces live in mexico, second part of second chorus
Pisces live sessions is a good example of her cleans, growls and belts, Who Is Going To Be The One Live is a very good example of her switching from clean to growls to cleans and the depth of her growls.
they don't go any deeper than that at all... the ending of the opening bar was literally LOWER than she can go
Som Pluijmers was screwed
You are damn right, she is a savage!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼💪🏻💪🏻💯 love it, and if you watch a interview English is not easy for she has a heavy accent
I've seen hundreds of initial Jinjer reactions and I tell ya what, it never gets old watching you folks hear her the first time.
Couldn't agree more. In general, they are a truly special, once in a lifetime band. I hope them all the success they deserve. Further to that, Tati could sing in any genre and wreck it.
Agreed, I love watching others react to them, it never gets old watching the awe and disbelief lol
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Yeah, makes you wonder how many of them are fake.
This has been my whole morning today. Fantastic content all around
Who knew the dark lord himself was a beautiful European woman
It seems rather obvious in hindsight.
Lol apparently Voldemort is trans :)
We all find out sooner or later
@White Walker nah
Shemself?
Jinjer are from the Ukraine. English isn't even her second language yet she writes lyrics beautifully in English and sings amazingly in English as well. She's insanely talented.
Almost all ukrainians are bilingual. For 70% of ukrainians ukrainian is the first language and russian is second. But she is from the east, then russian is the first her language, ukrainian is second and english is third.
She writes the lyrics in Russian & translates them
Tatiana is a goddess amongst the metal community
Jinjer is a severely underrated band, nobody outside of metal has really heard of them. It's not just Tati's vocals that are amazing, the rest of the band are absolute masters at their craft and the arrangements are mesmerizing. They deserve more fame than they currently have, for sure.
@@F3Ibane saw them the first time as support for Arch Enemy and Jinjer was way better. More stage presence, better sounding vocals, tighter playing.
@@F3Ibane The pandemic helped them a lot, now everyone knows them and after its end, they will be torn between countries and continents.
Fun fact: she's self-taught. Considering the technical difficulties of what she does live (many similar artists sound much better in studio recordings than live) she's really one of a kind.
People with that level of talent are once in a lifetime.
She is just a natural vocal beast. I mean I was doing this inthe 90's. It was just called crowling or screaming noise. Today, it is,a vocal technique. As a woman,speaking out to all girls who wanna try and practice it... First of all... Put your tongue out of your way. That mykes it hard to pronounce, for example "r". You have to mask it. The sound is not coming out of your chest,belt or head. It is hard to explain but it has a lot to do with your jaw position and your mouth and brathing technics. The impresdive thing she foesisthe switching. I cannot do that. My voice is to deep. Maybe if I practice. I am pretty much singing along with the bass singer from.Pentatonix. but it does not matter... It's all technique...even if you are a soprano....you can do it.
Also as she said, this is the LAST SONG IN THE SET, and she can still do that. She is absolutely insane.
My man legit said chimichanga that was the best reaction lmao
I mean im white but, this man is neon white.
@@nikwaggoner2480 LOL Ya he said it like Chimi Chain ga lol that was the best
"Jimmy Jenga"
Chimichanga ?
🤣🤣🤣
There have been several relatively high profile female singers who've done growls and screams (first that pops into my mind is Angela from Arch Enemy or Otep Shamaya from Otep), but Tatiana is probably the best one so far and easily outclasses most male harsh vocalists + plus the fact that she can also just sing really well in general. Reminds me of Opeth a little
Most male harsh vocalists? You're reaching dude. Listen to sufficient metals first and don't get too excited.
@@baridormiracle4189 I can guarantee I've listened to enough bands in my life from plenty of subgenres (both as a teen and as an adult for 2 decades at this point) that I can say that with a fair bit of confidence. When I say 'most' I don't think you really grasp just how many mediocre 00s nu/metalcore frontmen there are (just as an example, of course, if you start digging through random one-off death/black/thrash/hardcore bands and even some relatively known acts, it gets much worse)
@@darko1295 into eternity's former singer stu block is one that comes to mind who can belt out every type of metal growling plus different clean types, high ranges etc.
@@darko1295 I see
No one has congratulated you for repping MF DOOM's visage. You're a G.
"I have no idea about this genre"
5 seconds later: Proceeds to perfectly explain the physics involved in the technique.
Knowledge of technique is different to knowledge of genre. I know very little about jazz but if i were to watch a jazz guitarist play I could describe exactly what he was doing purely based on my knowledge of the guitar.
Fernando Spina also, “...I hope she does it again.” I thought, “don’t you worry.”
Of course. He's a vocal coach. He said genre not vocal technique. I assume he knows about that : )
@@Iamsmallfry Ha ha!
“I wasn’t expecting the dark lord himself to arise from the stage” loved that comment but would reeeeealy suggest you react to demolisher from slaughter to prevail. One of the hands down best male metal vocalists with his range of techniques within the style.
Jinjer is best described as a progressive metal band and this is probably their best composition. They're phenomenal musicians in addition to her amazing vocal ability and performing talent. This is lightning in a bottle. I've been listening to heavy metal over 30 years and Jinjer is the most exciting band in a long, long time. My wife and I went to see them last fall and she does all of that live -- and here in Portland on the last tour date still sounded awesome.
I really appreciate your open-mindedness when checking out music that may not be in your wheelhouse! Great technical insights, too. :)
Tatiana's a badass. That's all that need be said. Her vocals, her lyrics, and even paintings are awesome.
Your the first of all the reaction / reviewers that actually had some real knowledge about how she pulled off such vocal sounds with her voice. Thank you. Finally found out
Hmmm ? How about a symphonic metal band from Finland called Nightwish and the song "Ghost Love Score" from the Wacken Outdoor metal festival. This band and their female singer Floor Jansen are at a different level. You might also enjoy Floor and Henk Poort doing the duet from The Phantom of the Opera on the Dutch tv show Beste Zangers.
i second that
Go go go, Ghost Love Score Live At Wacken 2013 ruclips.net/video/JYjIlHWBAVo/видео.html
If u really loved this...try out their song “Pisces” (live session) video....really shows her talent intimately
Im up for this, i agree :D
this song really got them noticed
Listen to „I speak Astronomy“ and „Pisces - live Session“. They are outstanding!
You have to watch the video for Devin Townsend - Kingdom live for EMGTV. I would love to see your input and analysis on how Devin uses his voice, both screaming and various types of clean vocals.
No exageration when I say he's regarded as almost a godlike figure among heavy music/metal.
Now that you did Jinjer, we need to get also Nightwish. Ghost Love Score live from Wacken 2013.
korpi Tarja phantom of the opera or anything from end of an era live show
Ohhhhhh he's gonna love this!
If you do Nightwish, (what am I saying, there's no IF!!!) prepare for your channel to blow up again. Tool, Nightwish, Slipknot, Rammstein, Jinjer are the big ones guaranteed to blow up your subscriber base.
Slaughter to prevail - demolisher. You're welcome
Pisces - Live studio is definitely the next one for you to see. Another great song of theirs would be Teacher, Teacher.
All of the stage performances from Jinjer are Awsome and so good sounding. The guys on the instruments are on point every song and supporting her voice perfectly i really love this band :D
The funniest thing she has said in any interview is when she is asked about her vocal techinque.... she actually said she cannot explain how she does it herself.... and I'm over here like...can someone sit this woman down and perform a scientific study of her techinque and teach it in music schools, because to me her voice is out of this world!
Very occasionally i can hit notes that terrify my neighbors. They complained to my boyfriend's mother when she was down one summer. We live in a VERY uptight area.
i wrote it under ya dimash video already. but: dig into "nightwish" and start with "ghost love score". you can do "greatest show on earth", "poet n the pendulum" n letz say "Romanticide". ALso once you re a bit familiar with nightwish plz do "floor jansen and henk poort - phantom of the opera"
Just make sure you do the live version of Ghost Love Score at Wacken 2013. This is the best introduction to Nightwish.
ruclips.net/video/JYjIlHWBAVo/видео.html
Here comes the Nightwish Army!!
How about Floors feature in the Sancta Terra song by Epica? Live of course
Also Song of Myself and Storytime!
you should breakdown the vocals of Slaughter to Prevail - Demolisher. The deep growl is in Russian and would like to see if you know how a person can do that.
As a metalhead it's pure joy how through all sorts of people she impresses, love how open you are towards different music. (judging from this being the first video I've seen of you :) )
You could literally go through almost every video Jinjer has on RUclips and hear a different sound from this band. Tatiana is one of the best vocalist's in the world right now with the things she can do with her voice.
5:21 vocal fry is not dangerous at all, infact it is good for the vocal chords as a warmup technique. vocal fry is actually used to creat fry grit and fry screams which are typically much higher in pitch and volume than the vestibular growls she is doing. the myth of vocal fry damaging the vocal chords comes from a technique called sub-harmonic fry grit. mongolian throat singing is a great example of sub-harmonic fry grit. many people who try to imitate sub-harmonic fry grit accidentally use epiglottal grit which is the fastest way to damage vocal chords. but normal vocal fry has nothing to do with that, so there is no danger (unless you badly imitate cookie monster, or mongal singing).
I was at Wacken last year and saw this live... pure awesomeness
It's true that the death growls are mostly seen as a male thing, but for at least the last twenty years female singers have been using the technique. It's always difficult to tell who the first one was, but Otep Shamaya in Otep and Angela Gossow in Arch Enemy are probably among the first, both bands releasing albums in the early 2000:s. I'm no expert on this, but from what I understand the technique isn't gender specific, it's just cultural barriers that have made it more unusual for women to do it, and to appear in metal bands at all, something that seems to be changing lately.
ive been to a few otep concerts, she uses a voice changer but mostly to give static to her voice- like an old radio
Kittie from the 90s and Flyleaf has some growls too.
"I hope she does that again"
Me: grabbing the popcorn
You should really listen to some Opeth. Mikael Akerfeldt will blow your mind.
Mikael is what inspired Tatiana
The Pisces live session is a great jinjer vid. It was the video that went viral and had people freaking out over her vocal abilities.
I am most mention that girls have been doing growl since early 90's, some very early demos with very *garage* sound from late 80's I have discovered also. Right now, you have alot of good female vocals that are using only growl. Some bands: Infected Rain, Izegrim, Asagraum (All female Black Metal) and Konvent (All female doom/death metal band).
Kardavox Academy is a channel that focuses on the techniques for Metal voice, so screams and growls. May even be interesting to other vocal coaches.
Really glad you reacted to this performance specifically. A lot of people react to recorded sessions but this is Jinger live just crushing it :D
Tatiana has the best female growl in Metal. Her voice is 100% her own, with no enhancements. Her transitions are amazing. Check out I Speak Astronomy and Pisces Live session.
if you want more growl try ARCH ENEMY - Nemesis (Live at Wacken 2016) or Nightwish - Yours Is An Empty Hope.Vehicle Of Spirit.Live at Wembley (2015)
Dude, watching your face as soom as she started singing after the first verse was priceless. I think I saw your brain actually break for a second there.
You nailed the explanation on the growling, Unleash the Archers is a band with a very intriguing sound. I would suggest Awakening, Cleanse the Bloodlines, Northwest Passage or General of the Dark Army as intros to the band. I also agree with the Nightwish recommendations Phantom of the Opera has been done by almost all of their singers but Ghost love score is amazing as well
Tatiana's really impressive. She's the only female growler I know who sounds like male growlers.
Ken, you should check out their Teacher Teacher song. She switches back and forth between the two techniques mid-sentence, it's mindblowing!
there's someone who growls like Tatiana, check out Once Human
@@zel545 Thanks for the suggestion. I watched a few videos, including live recordings, and though she's talented I can clearly hear she's female when she growls. With Tatiana, if I didn't know better I could swear the growler was male.
@@mugwump7049 Check out Som Pluijmers of Cerebral Bore :)
@@LadyArsenica1 OK, you win! She does sound more like a pig than an actual human of whatever gender, though... ;D Not a fan of this style.
Caro from Oathbreaker can hit those demon notes , but doesn't do it nearly as prominently.
What always stuns me about this performance is that lengthy belt before the "From the ashes of my roots" section. For the last song of the set, her being obviously tired, doing all these physical moves... it's crazy that she still had the energy to do that, lol.
She doesn't particularly enjoy going for lots of upper-5th-octave pop singer "money" belts, & so only pulls them out when a given song seems to demand it.... but she absolutely *can* deliver those high-end belts as well as the majority of chart pop singers when she decides to. Her influences are more reggae/ska & Amy Winehouse than anything you may have been expecting btw! ;)
Awesome Vid!
I would like to clarify one point tho:
There are 40-ish types of different distortions. I'm studying and, by the moment, I can reproduce 8-9 of them. Some have particular names, some are combinations of these names. One of these effects I can make is pretty similar to Tatiana's and is not made with the vestibular folds. Some time ago, when the studies about vocal distortions were starting, they thought that vocal folds couldn't make that sound so it should be other part of the system. That's correct. To make the "Death Growl" you have to use the corniculate cartilages. Vestibular Folds are not used in this distortion. Death Growl is a "supraglotic" distortion, so it is achieved by breaking the air flow. You let your vocal folds open, the air passes through and you break that flow with your corniculate cartilages, that is a structure above the vocal folds. The (in)famous "False Cords" are the main structure where the corniculate cartilages are, but are not involved in the distortion. (Edit: so this distortion should be called something like "Corniculate Growl" instead of "False whatever")
Hope I explained my self well.
Cheers, awesome vid!
PS: pardon any grammar mistake, English is not my native language.
When did these studies start? And what is the nature of those studies? Camera with strobe light down the throat? Ultrasound to the neck? Do you have any citations you'd like to share? I've not looked into this so I'm up for anything.
@@utuebmakeustupid I've been studying fo a year now, but in less than a month I learned Corniculate and "Grunt" (the one used by Corey Taylor, among others). I'm trying to learn distortions in the upper register (above B4 and beyond). Highest distorded note/sound I can make is a C6. My aim is learning Dani Filth's whistle distortion who sits around the 7th octave.
As for the studies, they started around the 70' by Seth Riggs. He basically created the basic criteria for studying the voice besides the "Classical Training". Seth created "Speech Level Singing" where the idea was to control the voice via volume (hence the name) in order to explore other vocal habilities. Microphones where a huge thing, because you could amplify the volume via speaker and not straining your voice. Later on,(I think the 90', not sure tho) "Complete Vocal Technique" was created in Denmark by Catherine Salodin. Here, the first concepts of different types/kinds of voice appeared. Then, people like Melissa Cross started to keep digging further and nowadays we have access to a lot of information. Thing is, we as consumers/students have to be very cautious because this kind of vocal techniques are equivalent to olimpic excercises. Thing is, if you don't have a proper coach, you can harm yourself pretty bad.
PS: Sorry any grammar mistake, English is not my native language.
@@utuebmakeustupid also, yes. There are studies with cameras down the throat where you can see how everything works. I've seen my own vocal chords because of this :)
I think is called "Nasofibroscopy" or something like that, in Spanish at least it's called like that.
@@OsoASeks Thanks, I now have some names to look up.
@@utuebmakeustupid My vocal coach and his vocal coach/partner, are developing a "new branch" of study with "Anthropophysiology" as the main thread. This approach is very interesting due to the fact that many cultures are "used to" certain sounds depending on the region, background culture and history. Some African Tribes, for example, have "Ng", "kq", and "kx" sounds on their vocabulary, sounds that are super weird for others. Mongolians (and some say Vikings) have this "throaty" sound that's called "karyirá". This distortion is what is usually called "throat singing". ( A "rattle" + a whistled note produced by the position and shape of the tongue, lips and vocal cavity). Super interesting if you ask me. Hope it helped, good day! :)
If you want to see the best female growler that I know, check out Som Pluijmers, she has a youtube channel where she explains how to train your throat for those sounds. She started to sing like that as young as 12 and was already in a band as she was 16. Her genre is much more agressive though, I should warn you ^^
Check out the one most reactors get recommended for the shock factor "Pisces (Live Session)"
react to DEVIN TOWNSEND DEADHEAD LIVE AT ROYAL ALBERT HALL PLSSSS!!!
2:08 she's smiling cuz she knows how much that switch is screwing with first-time listeners heads haha. The sound quality is great in large part because Wacken isn't really a music festival, it is an outdoor recording studio with an 80,000 live audience. To see her segue into a totally different genre check out Judgement & Punishment live in Melbourne. Best belting performance IMO is I Speak Astronomy at Resurrection Fest (no separate video but this links to it and the venue has said they are fine with reactions ruclips.net/video/4HW-ACeiUMI/видео.htmlm02s). She can go lower with the growls in Pit Of Consciousness live in Kiev. Cheers!
I've done tech for several festivals in the EU and some in the US and because the big ones in several EU nations are also partially or fully televised (and these days fully streamed), the festivals are pretty much gigantic outdoor studios with a crapload of spectators.
The ones that stood out the most to me were Wacken, Werchter and Pinkpop.
Even the side stages and club stages are wired up like a freshly built studio.
Usually it's just the main stage.
Hence why you have so many bands that have DVD releases either all from one festival or the best ones picked from the several festivals.
Doing the same level of recording at a venue organizing your own tech would be ridiculously expensive in comparison and with that is often only done by bands like Metalica and some of the major pop singers.
@@enlightendbel I hope that didn't come off as criticism of Wacken, I watch a lot of Jinjer's live stuff as well as some other bands to a lesser extent, and I just don't hear the same recording clarity in the stuff from most other festivals.
4:30 am and I'm howling in laughter at the cookie monster comment 😂
I love her!! Best concert I’ve been to!
There are tons of women doing this now. I got into it well over a decade ago with Arch Enemy, Light this city and a few others. Been around a while 🙂
If you want another female who can rip it like that, check out Rule of Nines by Spiritbox. Courtney (the lead singer) does a one take live version and it is breathtaking.
people will no doubt mention archenemy when it comes to female deathmetal voices,but i always preferred Simone "Som" Pluijmers during her time in cerebral bore & Mallika Sundaramurthy from abnormality.
i would reccomend 'cerebral bore-the bald cadaver' ,she doesnt do clean singing,but the grunts and pigsqueels are amazing.
She can get much deeper - "Who is Gonna Be the One? (Live), and much higher - "Pisces" (live session).
The band is absolutely tight.
The skipping is unnecessary and distracting. Pausing is a lot better, though you will get complaints about that, too.
He might be doing so for copyright reasons, but Napalm Records understands that this is what is making Jinjers fanbase grow and hasn't sent take downs to anyone afaik. There is no such thing as MTV anymore.
The live session isn't live audio tho. It's just the album audio without the vocal harmonies. But she can sing tho
@@themaggot8 It's not the album audio, there are distinct differences, it is however recorded in a studio and has mixing.
People complaining about pausing the video should probably just go listen to the song.
what ive heard from other vocal coaches as what we percieve as her doing a low tone is not low but actually just distorted by the vocal chords/throat and a note thats in her normal range
Always good to see reactions to our metal goddess.
React to NightWish - Ghost Love Score Live at Wacken 2013 and get ready for the Army..
I love Tatiana vestibular folds..
Queen Tati is awesome!
As is the rest of the band, catch their recordings where they focus on 1 instrument, especially the base is insane, especially on Who is gonna be the one
You got a great speaking voice. I can totally see you doing voice over work.
Jinjer is an Unkrainian band, with Tatiana Shmaylyuk on vocals!!! Impressive master piece!!!
All hail the reigning Queen of Metal!!
Very important note: Never cut the video short before the Queen takes a bow!! She will then smile as sign of consent for closing the video and ONLY then will you proceed to close it. That´s all for now, you may be excused.
Lolll true tht man !!! That smile is the icing in the cake ! 😍
From MetalHead to another. I Love Tati till death. Still there is only one Queen of Metal and You and Me both know who She is! Dont want to go to that, with You. This is Jinjer reaction so I'll wait my turn...(Takes jacket and hat and turns away) 😊.
She's great...next you can try Alissa White Glutz (Arch Enemy) She is also very versatile!
Hahaha. My favorite thing is to watch the shock value of reactions to Jinjer
Also check out theband Seven Spires. The vocalist, Adrienne Cowen, is a highly musically trained juggernaut. Soaring highs and ripping harsh vocals.
I will continue to re-iterate the comments across multiple videos of yours: Devin Townsend will blow your mind. Dude is a fucking master of the clean/growl performance...him and Mikael Åkerfeldt
Ken - "Nightwish - Ghost Love Score - Wacken 2013". Prepare to fall under the spell of the divine Floor Jansen. 👍 🤘
You should've started with Pisces. Even though it was still cool watching your shocks reaction here, I think it would've been funnier watching you get shocked at her switching between her clean vocals and her growly vocals. Most vocal coaches have hilarious reactions to that one. You can still watch it, but you're not gonna be a shocked now that you've seen this first. Oh well.
Haha yeah Pisces leads the listener gently into an epic vocal ambush. First listens get more views than any other Jinjer video because it gets both the fans and people who just want to watch folks spit their drinks over their computer.
@@j.f.fisher5318 - It's good for shock value if we're talking about normal reactors, for vocal coaches the live videos are better material.
That's such a tired meme. Jinjer is much more than a shock value.
There have been and currently are several female vocalists who employ this alternating clean/growl technique. You can actually put Janis Joplin on this list, because even though she didn't growl, she was still the first popular female vocalist to employ screaming into her act. The first female to popularize its current form though, was Otep Shamaya back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Since then there have been dozens of female vocalists who have mastered it. Tatiana of Jinjer stands out among them because of how smooth and jazzy her voice is. She's a sultry, sexy demoness with a powerful stage presence.
I just found her by accident tonight,much like you, and I think she is amazing. It is "Cookie Monster" vocals BTW.
Check out
judgement and punishment (live) and Pisces (live)
Both clean vocals and vocal fry
That cookie monster in the house cracked me up 😂😂, awesome reaction man :)
React to the Swedish band Arch Enemy. The Song Nemesis is really good. Also a female fronted metalband. You will be surprised once more
Ken Lavigne can you please react to SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL- DEMOLISHER and dissect how Alex Terrible is achieving his EPIC vocals? And a bonus is that the drummer is a complete BEAST
Gorgeous...................................................
1:58 - “Sean, you totally set me up!”
Indeed-full marks to Sean. Keep it up, mate!
All jest aside, if you might like to listen to more Jinjer, I think you’d really enjoy “Teacher, Teacher” ruclips.net/video/oRkRwL0vjOg/видео.html and “Who Is Gonna Be the One” ruclips.net/video/U6rv5qi8-8s/видео.html -and that’s just to name two among many others!
check out the pioneers: Otep, I wrestled a bear once, Arch Enemy there are a few Female lead "screamer" bands. And many that I missed, I am sure some one will fill in other details. Check out her song "Teacher Teacher". I like that one as well. I saw her in Phoenix pre-covid, I took the kids we all had a great time.
The first reaction of Jinjer should be Pisces. That would be more surprising... But it's to late now. I love the band. Great reaction! :))
I did the countdown and, like 99% of reactions, there came the typical "The Dark Lord" comment at her heavy vocals. Sad there's so much built-up presupposition to metal music. I'd like to point out, and I have it on good authority, that The Devil actually sounds like Elmo. Anyway, glad he gave it a fair shake and saw the incredible technique and talent here (by the whole band). Cheers.
It always amazes me how much stamina she has when you take into account that this was the last song of the set.
This woman can sing and also sound like Cookie Monster bravo.
Congratulations, I've been watching many vocal coach reactions to Jinjer (and other artists with a style, but very few can describe actually how those growls are produced. Most of them mistake it for vocal fry and I have no idea how they don't realize that had she done that with vocal fry she'd be unable to speak after 2 minutes...
I have to come back and make notes on your explanation on how that distorted vocal is done.
Nightwish either Ghost love Score (2013 Wacken), Poet and the Pendulum or Greatest Show on Earth (2015 Wembley) will blow your mind. Or if you want to dive deeper into metal I recommend Slipknot, Spit it out live at download 2009. Shows why Slipknot is a masterclass at crowd control
OMG I was waiting for this!! I subscribe!! But now you need to react to Nightwish - Ghost Love Score live at Wacken 2013, is a must!
Good reactThanks!
And thats the last set and still kicking it.
You have to check out Outlander by Jinjer next. It is an earlier iteration of the band.
If you enjoyed that, there is an other great video in much higher quality highlighting what she can do: JINJER - Pisces (Live Session) | Napalm Records its 100% worth it
Like the analysis. Unlike the skipping times.
Fair assessment- my bad, I will never skip like that again. it wrecks the flow of the song.
1:26 I busted out laughing!
This band is out of this world and are super good live.
For a good shock value you should start with "Pisces" Live Session
You should try other JINJER videos like (PISCES)live sessions & ( WHO IS GOING TO BE THE ONE) live at ressurection fest.there is also old school stuff like (OUTLANDER) & (scissors) both original videos. ENJOY!!!
She smokes, drinks and never warms up. She is at the very top in the metal scene 👌
That's about as metal as you can get.
Fine and dandy until she blows her voice out. It WILL catch up eventually,
I know an amazing vocalist that is similar to her , and she has already started having problems with her vocals. If she continues smoking it will get worse eventually
How do you know if Tatiana smokes or not, I've never seen any footage or anything about her doing it
@@alecwesterholm9122 There is an interview with her saying it
For more i recommend "Pieces live Session" and "Teacher Teacher"
*pisces
Hey Ken! I am a metal vocalist. When she gets into the growly part, that's called a guttural vocal. What she's actually doing is pushing air from her diaphragm, and then throttling back in her throat. There is absolutely no pain or anything caused when you do it this way. It's purely happening in the diaphragm and the mouth. Literally the way you hit that tone is to just breath out with an "UGH" and then just pretend to be a dragon. Tatiana is one of the most impressive female vocalists in metal today, but also check out In This Moment and Halestorm for some very impressive female vocals.
To make you a bit astounded, Tatiana can make supportive, two different notes at the same time. Forget what it's called, but you know what I'm talking about. Possibly head and chest voice doing different notes, one cleaner, another not so much. Within all her live songs she uses echo, supportive, and occasional double note vocals, done by herself.
That's stupidly difficult to learn to do. A good starter for 10 is if you can teach yourself to whistle one note and hum another. That teaches you to separate out two tones from two completely different pitch-making systems, and to vary them from one-another with independent timing and pitch. You know you can do it well when you can sing a 2 part round with yourself.
@@mrpocock Thanx, that's very useful trick! Been myself drumming for sometime, by now. I used to sing/growl before on the gig, it didn't went so well, not a frontman here. Although playing drums and singing double voiced backup is something worth doing. Similarly, there's a band called Haken and their Gentle Giant'ish influence. Check them out, I call them Masters of Modern Prog Metal. Titanical talents... Coackroach King is their standard listen.
Devin Townsend - Kingdom live and Opeth - Ghost of Perdition live reactions would be awesome
this "screams" called extream vocals. It healthy to you voice, if you learn it in correct way. It's a lot information in youtube about this. Chester Bennington, Ronnie Radke, Marco Hietala and many metal vocalists use this technic, but many vocalists isn't use healthy technic, and just lose their voices. Tatiana is one of the bests. This technic can be learned by any person, man, or female. It's based on using your false chords, not the vocal chords, and mixing it with any note on your register! Just two diferent sounds in your throat at the same time. This technique can be compared to guitar distortion, you have to have an open and not clamped voice, in any register, chest / mixed / head, and separately trained distortion. Then people learn to mix a clean voice with distortion and change the percentage of it.The distortion itself is formed due to the almost complete relaxation of the voice, and the auxiliary sound for the distortion output is a fry voice! With the proper skill, you can change the mixture as you like, do both a light raspy voice like Nickelback (a lot of clean, little distortion), and a wild bear roar, or a demonic scream like a Jinjer or LP (more distortion, less clean sound) While maintaining support and breath control. Only in this way, the voice will not get hurt! Hello from fans from Russia!!! Sorry for my English xd.