Hi, excellent and detailed video. You mention that Omega had four years to perfect the design of the Moon Watch before it went into space. But what are the unique challenges for a watch in such an environment? I guess that an automatic wouldn't work in zero gravity, and the movement needs to survive the severe vibrations of blast off, but are there any other specialist problems? Would a change in air pressure affect the movement, and if so is that different to the problems encountered by a dive watch? Is the Moon Watch simply an excellent quality product, or is it in any way specifically designed for space travel? And why was Omega selected over Rolex or Longines?
The Speedmaster was originally made for car racing and thus not in any way designed for a space mission. You can find NASA's requirements here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwatch
Thanks! Reading via your link showed this comment from the NASA testers in one of the footnotes: "We conducted a number of rigorous tests and at the end of them all only Omega was left standing. Rolex failed primarily on account of the humidity test. Its watch’s hands became bent at high temperatures and got stuck. The crystal of the Longines watch got loose several times and the movement stopped working, too. The Speedmaster passed all the laboratory tests and exhibited the best reliability." The tests were very rigorous: mainly temperature/humidity, plus vibration and G-force survival. I've always cynically suspected that there was an element of PR shenanigans about Omega's Moon Watch, but it does seem to have been genuinely superior to other watches in the competition. Good to know!
The atmosphere in the Apollo spacecraft was oxygen at 5psi so one challenge would be either totally sealing the watch or allowing it to equalise pressure. When Aldrin was on the moon I am not sure if the watch was worn on the outside of his spacesuit of just on his wrist inside the space suit. He was only on the moon's surface for about 2 hours. Later missions were longer duration. In a weightless environment you still possess mass and inertia so the automatic winding mechanism should work on hand movements but it may not be so efficient. I can well imagine NASA testing these watches in many ways.
I think I remember reading an account by one of the Apollo astronauts who mentioned that they had to readjust the time on their automatic watches occasionally as they ran slightly slow outside of normal gravity.
While watching this video and admiring the interior of the Moonwatch, I just looked at my own Moonwatch that my granddad purchased for me in the early seventies when I was born. I always knew, that it was going to be mine one day. But granddad kept it in a safe place and wore it on special occations himself and he did hand it to me when I turned 18. And while granddad has passed on many years ago, I still wear this watch proudly, thinking of and thanking him for this great gift!
Take your time Stian; don't rush back at the cost of your health. You've a very loyal following who are more than ready to wait for you. All the best to you and your family from everyone here.
This speedmaster moon watch and an oyster perpetual are the two capstone watches I would like to own one day. Mainly in a nod to historical perspectives.
Nice work as usual! I have to say I love my 1968 321 pre-moon. I have put the caseback in mothball while enjoying a sapphire display caseback. I serviced the movement and simply couldn't hide the best part of the watch. 😊
In the house where I lived when I was younger -- New Jersey, US, 1960s-70s -- the house was heated by a hot water baseboard system too, but the heat came from natural gas rather than oil. For the house were we lived when I was in my mid to late teens, the heat came from oil (same arrangement; big underground tank with oil delivered monthy) but it was a forced air system. I guess for houses of that vintage, heating oil isn't too uncommon. 25:00 -- It's good you explained that. You see watchmakers online doing this all the time and often it's not explained why. So we get novice hobbyists on Reddit wondering why their reinstalled balance won't oscillate, and it's invariably that they managed to place the impulse jewel outside the fork.
The watches seemed nicely finished without being fancy. Great work on both, Stian. Interesting to know that display casebacks were not really possible until sapphire crystals came along.
Stian, I wouldn’t of bothered looking up The word for joke in French. We’ve had a second property in France for 20 years, and believe me, the French don’t have a sense of humour. Absolutely amazing digital photography in the video, your content just gets better and better. All the best to you and your family. M
My Dr has this watch on his wrist, he said it was his dad's. I took a picture of the watches on display in cape Canaveral in Florida when I visited 15 years ago. Nice watch and I really enjoy watching your videos.
Nice watches, nice video, great daughter! Love that she is captivated by the magic. Also I dig that Tom modified the watches in ways he liked. They are his, after all. It’s not like he modded Buzz’s watch.
I’d say for my money the Omega Speedmaster triple date Chronograph is the best watch period. The only other watch that I’d place next to it is the Ball world timer Chronograph, this is the most beautifully built watch ever when you inbox the Ball you are looking at a work of art. This is my educated opinion. The omega is more like a Time Machine not a watch it feels elegant on and looks great dressed up or casual,
@@NW-lj6oo yes it took me a few years to find one and when I opened the box I was frozen. I only wear it on special occasions I once wore it when I went to see my tag dealer to show it to them and to the people at Omega and mont Blanc all the dealers were next to each other in a hi end mall. And they all were speechless and crowded around me. No one tried to sell me anything. I have a speedmaster omega, the Batman GMT Tag, and a JLC- but my Ball is in its own class.
Thanks a lot for this excellent video. I think for todays watchers who are not that familiar with (watch) history it's important to mention that Omega and Longines were completely separate watch companies. The Swatch Group was founded as a reaction to the quartz crisis in the late 1970s at the beginning of the 1980s (1983 by Nicolas G. Hayek). Nicolas G. Hayek (sen.) basically saved the Swiss watch industry. I think even the English version of wikipedia is a little wrong with SSIH which wasn't a real merger but more of a collaboration between Omega and Tissot. When I grew up in Switzerland in the 1970s the only two watch brands that were talked about had been Omega and Tissot. That's probably why those are my favorite watch brands!
Thank you for another great video, Stian! I always know I’m in for a treat when you upload new content. The combination of truly professional watchmaking along with the history and humour thrown in is a winning combination. A couple of questions on this video - I noticed during the disassembly that one movement seemed like it might have had excessive sideshake on the centre wheel. I didn’t catch which watch it was. Watching you test hand clearance of the grey watch at 35:40 - 35:50 there is some wobble as you turned the hands. Was there perhaps excessive sideshake present here, that could’ve benefited from closing that hole slightly? The amplitude was still healthy for this watch, though. It is hard to tell for sure from the video, but I noticed that the hairspring stud in the black watch might be cylindrical instead of the triangular shape of the hole for it in the balance cock. A hairspring replacement? Or is it just the polished and rounded tip of the stud I’m seeing?
@@VintageWatchServices I also appreciate all the back story as you went. That was even better than the sound effects. Since I already commented, I thought "Don't over comment!" Since you responded, I will. Thanks!
I definitely want a "Speedy" but I can't decide which of the oh-so-many variations there are to buy. Love all of your videos! I have a 1966 Seamaster from you that is fantastic.
The story of Dave Scott’s Bulova watch that went to the moon is a fascinating one too. He was able to keep it after the trip and it shows up every once in a while on an auction.
@@VintageWatchServices I have had the modern replica in my hand about 10 times and just never pulled the trigger. I guess I am a Bulova guy but my next watch has to be an Omega.
Stian please don’t joke around this is very serious stuff this Watch Repair stuff. Just Joking. What no trouble in paradise. Great to see the moon watches on the bench. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Watching disassembly of that move.ent is almost beyond my comfortable nervous level. Like watching someone climbing 200m chimney. I have worked with some simple movements, but this is crazy!
Great tutorial on the watches Stian as always and both a very fine looking pieces, but I like the black face watch more. I did watch the first moon landing as I had just graduated from high school in 1969. I have no idea what the green substance you asked your viewers to identify. Maybe someone used too much grease on the watch because that is what it looked like to me. I do have a question that I can understand if you don't want to answer. Roughly, how much does it cost for a watch maker to service a chronograph watch if you don't have to make a repair? I've always wondered since I started watching your channel. I hope you and yours are healthy and at peace. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Regarding the entrances for the moon watch "competition" Hamilton sent a plain pocket watch even tho the requirement was a wristwatch with chronometer function. Imagine a pocketwatch on a chain getting tangled with stuff and banging around the capsule :)
I’ve often wondered if Hamilton was just pranking everyone with that entry or if the marketing team that was promoting their product was really that obtuse 😆
A delightful twofer, Stian. The two screws for the hour counter pinion clamp must be contenders for the title of teeniest Omega screws. You sound a bit tired. Fortunately, neither watch required you to wield your watchmaker's sledgehammer. Hope you feel 100% soon.
Wasn't Bulova up for the watch the astronauts were going to wear because a lot of the instruments in the capsule were made by Bulova? The Accutron movement couldn't be guaranteed to cause electrical interference, or so I heard.
That might very well be! There were several rounds of selection and Bulova might have been part of the first rounds, I don't know that in detail. The finalists were Omega, Rolex and Longines/Wittnauer. Bulova of course famously have their own moonwatch, worn in the Apollo 15 mission, but that was actually a private watch and not commissioned by NASA. It was a Bulova watch but the movement was made by Universal Geneve.
@@VintageWatchServices and famously the Seiko “Pogue” and others that astronauts wore that weren’t “official” NASA watches. More like they had used them for years for a specific purpose and knew how the worked.
I own a 1967 Speedmaster and have had it from new the cases you have there are nothing like mine , my watch has much slimmer lugs and does not have all that stuff on the back
Thank you Stian - again - for sharing this excellent video on RUclips: 👍👏👌! Space? Ach, that is another matter altogether. As a child of the 60s, I was always fascinated by it, but Stanley Kubrick's brilliant "2001: A Space Odyssey" brought the truth back home: space exploration is endlessly boring, unhealthy and extremely dangerous. To anyone disagreeing with this, just imagine living in an environment without air, without water, without good food, but with zero gravity, dangerous radiation, extreme cold, total silence, vast distances, darkness, little personal space, threatening flying objects, no live music, no medical (nor any other) help in emergencies and the voices of NASA controllers communicating with you.
Hello Enrique, yes, Tissot used these Lemania movements in different variations in some of their watches. Tissot, Lemania and Omega were part of the same umbrella company until the 1980s so you'll find the same chronograph movements in both Omega and Tissot. Omega would have copper plated movements while Tissot would have rhodium plated ones.
The modded watch is great. IMO, a speedmaster is a nice watch, but it isn't beyond customization if that is what someone wants to do with THEIR watch. I would love to see a channel that is devoted to resto-modding vintage watches. Get a bunch of people all wound up.
I have an EVE Flex stick in the pin vice. It's an abrasive material, the one I use is super fine so that it just cleans the pivot and doesn't remove any material.
Mate I saw you use that pivot polish pen at a slight angle. I can tell you right now that makes me super curious, don't you have the tail stock attachment for your lathe that does that?
Fantastic bro but the black needs a black strap and the other wants a strap that matches the dial great watches I had a speedmaster and sold it and regret it every day
Blague: I bet one of the installers said to the other, "..il est con, ce mec!" but perhaps Suisse-french has different slang pejorative expressions. Now I'll have to investigate. Welcome Back!
I have a quick question. Isn't the steel cover in the back of the actual moon watch not a 'dust cover' as you call it, but a steel cover to provide anti-magnetic shielding?
That cover wouldn't really have a big effect on protecting against magnetism, unfortunately, but I've seen it referred to as an anti-magnetic dust cover :)
There are two versions of this tool, one for wheels with an even number of spokes and one for odd number of spokes. I don't recall which number it is but think it's 6 or 7 or so
pretty unrelated question but, do you know if zenmarket (japan's ebay) is still good for finding some jdm watches? I spy a lot of their old seikosha railway pocket watches too... lots on there
No, it's not normal that the chrono seconds hand jumps in a random way, unless you're talking about microscopic level jumps. There will be a tiny movement in the start depending on where the clutch wheel and the chronograph wheel meet when the chronograph is engaged, but this should hardly be noticeable.
Hahaha. Tell a joke to a Frenchman? You are spot on. You then have to tell them why it's funny -why it is a joke. I suppose that's why they like people in stripey shirts and painted faces trying to escape from imaginary glass boxes. 🤣🤣.
I was wondering why there were 17 jewels (8 /12 cogs / wheels) and not 18 jewels (9 cogs / wheels), but then I noticed in this video there's a jewel underneath the hour-minute-second hands. Is that where the "one" jewel is?
Hi I have recently bought a 1961 (birth year) seamster looked up the numbers to confirm that it's genuine and it checks out however it doesn't say seamster on the dial is this a common thing the dial looks old enough to be genuine just hoping I didn't pay a lot for a Frankenstein
What effect does gravity or the lack of it have on a movement? Would a movement on a timegrapher in space read differently than if they were on Earth or the Moon? I need to know. Thanks. Glad to hear that you’re out of the hospital. jk Love you. ❤
Gravity doesn't have much effect on a watch movement. A much bigger concern would be the temperature variations. And I haven't been in the hospital but there are a few comments about it 🤔
A watch that went to the moon is interesting if the astronaut Ward on outside of his suit it would have been exposed to extreme temperature variance on and also if there was no air at all in the watch would it run a little faster because of friction I guess the answer is yes but very little you make it look so easy
Yes, you're absolutely right, the watch's accuracy will be affected by both the temperature variations and a lack of air inside the watch, but both of these effects would be very short in duration and the accuracy needed for these watches would be much less than the negative effects.
On the history portion of the video, I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t complete the Kennedy quote, leaving out the most important ‘western’ detail and maybe the biggest difference in the dichotomy of East and West philosophy. You quoted him as saying, ‘we will send a man to the moon’ period. In the Soviet way of thinking that would have been mission accomplished. Anything after that would just be icing on top. But Kennedy went on to further say, “..and return him safely back to the earth.” The mission would have only been a half-success and ultimately looked on as a failure, if the second half of the goal was not carried out. 🚀 🇺🇸
You're absolutely right, but to me it's a complete given that if you send someone to the Moon you will make sure they return safely also. In Norway you wouldn't even think about an option of just sending them somewhere to die 😉
@@VintageWatchServices In Norway, actually being closer to the old Soviet block, you would know better than me but I think the Soviets would have been all too glad to tout the “party’s success”, even if the cosmonauts had not returned safely. As long as the party was successful, was what mattered. They certainly didn’t have any problem ‘juicing’ their athletes in those days for the glory of the party ☭. Even though the East and West still disagree philosophically about a lot, I’m glad those days of a ‘hot’ Cold War are behind us. 🇳🇴 🇺🇸 🇷🇺
@@psidvicious Oh yes, and the views and values of the Russians haven't changed that much in my view, probably best demonstrated by the attack on Ukraine and their constant mix of arrogance and aggression. The right flank in the US are increasingly adopting those same values and attitudes, unfortunately. Very sad to see for us Europeans.
11:39 1st line of defense black stuff just caused my 'biblically bewildered brain' to recall how the building of Noah's ark was to be sealed with pitch inside & out. From an engineering standpoint; few other designs would be able to endure the God only knows the amount of opening & closing of it's many wood joint-ment's that occurred during that entire year's time. Be interesting to see if that expansion/contraction action would endure most superior to the common rubber gasket technique of leading edge diver's watches. & who knew what for certain space conditions would have on such a mere rubber gasket. And as well, the space engineers chose Omega's tar like pitch substance because of that. Or perhaps it is only the by product of holding ones every first thought captive to the mind of Christ. Just another one of those many one's of... ''We His Believer's'' Who's patiently waiting & watching for '.' His✝Just⚖Return '.'
@@VintageWatchServices I don’t buy into the flat earth theory just as much as I don’t buy into us landing on the moon, both lies in my opinion but one thing I do know for sure is that you sir are an artist and make incredible content, thanks for the highly enjoyable uploads. Subbed and liked ❤️
Oh, it's a bit complicated to explain, but there's good information here: www.jewelpedia.net/sapphire-jewel-bearings-in-timepieces/ After growing the boule, they will cut it into tiny slices, cut out small circles from the slices, drill holes and polish them.
Exactly! The earth is flat and the sun revolves around it , obviously. Why believe in this stupid thing called science when there are random people on the internet saying things you feel like believing 🙄
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Hi, excellent and detailed video.
You mention that Omega had four years to perfect the design of the Moon Watch before it went into space. But what are the unique challenges for a watch in such an environment? I guess that an automatic wouldn't work in zero gravity, and the movement needs to survive the severe vibrations of blast off, but are there any other specialist problems? Would a change in air pressure affect the movement, and if so is that different to the problems encountered by a dive watch?
Is the Moon Watch simply an excellent quality product, or is it in any way specifically designed for space travel? And why was Omega selected over Rolex or Longines?
The Speedmaster was originally made for car racing and thus not in any way designed for a space mission. You can find NASA's requirements here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonwatch
Thanks! Reading via your link showed this comment from the NASA testers in one of the footnotes:
"We conducted a number of rigorous tests and at the end of them all only Omega was left standing. Rolex failed primarily on account of the humidity test. Its watch’s hands became bent at high temperatures and got stuck. The crystal of the Longines watch got loose several times and the movement stopped working, too. The Speedmaster passed all the laboratory tests and exhibited the best reliability."
The tests were very rigorous: mainly temperature/humidity, plus vibration and G-force survival.
I've always cynically suspected that there was an element of PR shenanigans about Omega's Moon Watch, but it does seem to have been genuinely superior to other watches in the competition. Good to know!
Oh yes, the tests were very rigorous and the Speedmaster was a clear winner. The PR shenanigans came after they were selected 😁
The atmosphere in the Apollo spacecraft was oxygen at 5psi so one challenge would be either totally sealing the watch or allowing it to equalise pressure. When Aldrin was on the moon I am not sure if the watch was worn on the outside of his spacesuit of just on his wrist inside the space suit. He was only on the moon's surface for about 2 hours. Later missions were longer duration. In a weightless environment you still possess mass and inertia so the automatic winding mechanism should work on hand movements but it may not be so efficient. I can well imagine NASA testing these watches in many ways.
I think I remember reading an account by one of the Apollo astronauts who mentioned that they had to readjust the time on their automatic watches occasionally as they ran slightly slow outside of normal gravity.
While watching this video and admiring the interior of the Moonwatch, I just looked at my own Moonwatch that my granddad purchased for me in the early seventies when I was born. I always knew, that it was going to be mine one day. But granddad kept it in a safe place and wore it on special occations himself and he did hand it to me when I turned 18. And while granddad has passed on many years ago, I still wear this watch proudly, thinking of and thanking him for this great gift!
That's very nice :)
Take your time Stian; don't rush back at the cost of your health.
You've a very loyal following who are more than ready to wait for you.
All the best to you and your family from everyone here.
I appreciate that, Michael :) I haven't really had any health issues though, apart from a normal cold.
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😢 wow, this longcovid's a bugger!
I was mixing you up with Joe Biden.
Pax brother.
This speedmaster moon watch and an oyster perpetual are the two capstone watches I would like to own one day. Mainly in a nod to historical perspectives.
Nice work as usual! I have to say I love my 1968 321 pre-moon. I have put the caseback in mothball while enjoying a sapphire display caseback. I serviced the movement and simply couldn't hide the best part of the watch. 😊
Yeah, I absolutely understand that and would have done the same 😊
In the house where I lived when I was younger -- New Jersey, US, 1960s-70s -- the house was heated by a hot water baseboard system too, but the heat came from natural gas rather than oil. For the house were we lived when I was in my mid to late teens, the heat came from oil (same arrangement; big underground tank with oil delivered monthy) but it was a forced air system.
I guess for houses of that vintage, heating oil isn't too uncommon.
25:00 -- It's good you explained that. You see watchmakers online doing this all the time and often it's not explained why. So we get novice hobbyists on Reddit wondering why their reinstalled balance won't oscillate, and it's invariably that they managed to place the impulse jewel outside the fork.
The watches seemed nicely finished without being fancy. Great work on both, Stian. Interesting to know that display casebacks were not really possible until sapphire crystals came along.
Fabulous watches with such an interesting history. Nice job.
Nice double job Stian, interesting to compare.
The Omega moonwatch professional is my grail piece I'll get one eventually 👍
I bought one used in the 80's but sadly I traded it off. Fun to see the way they were put together, thanks.
Thanks for posting. Both are beautiful watches. I would love to have an Omega like this!
You and me both!
Awesome! A new video!!! Excellently done, as usual. And I was so excited to see my name on the screen!
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Stian, I wouldn’t of bothered looking up The word for joke in French. We’ve had a second property in France for 20 years, and believe me, the French don’t have a sense of humour. Absolutely amazing digital photography in the video, your content just gets better and better. All the best to you and your family. M
😁 These are Swiss French, I hope they have a better sense of humour than the French :)
Stian is my favorite watch maker !
That's very nice to hear :) 😊
Another fantastic video! Very interesting that the first automatic chronograph was built in 1947!
Absolutely beautiful work. ❤
Thank you very much!
Another great video Stain, thank you for sharing.
Thanks, Ben 😊
You make it look so easy, true sign of a craftsman, Bloody Brilliant sir ❤
Many thanks 😊
Late comment : Very Very good restauration on these 2 speedies ! Well done mate !
Thanks a lot!
@@VintageWatchServicesYou're welcome and WE ALL thank you for the great job you put in all the project you share with us ! 👏👍
My Dr has this watch on his wrist, he said it was his dad's. I took a picture of the watches on display in cape Canaveral in Florida when I visited 15 years ago. Nice watch and I really enjoy watching your videos.
Thanks! 😊
Nice watches, nice video, great daughter! Love that she is captivated by the magic.
Also I dig that Tom modified the watches in ways he liked. They are his, after all. It’s not like he modded Buzz’s watch.
Indeed!
I’d say for my money the Omega Speedmaster triple date Chronograph is the best watch period. The only other watch that I’d place next to it is the Ball world timer Chronograph, this is the most beautifully built watch ever when you inbox the Ball you are looking at a work of art. This is my educated opinion. The omega is more like a Time Machine not a watch it feels elegant on and looks great dressed up or casual,
I have never seen anyone comment before on the Ball Trainmaster Worldtime. An absolute masterpiece of a watch that is completely overlooked.
@@NW-lj6oo yes it took me a few years to find one and when I opened the box I was frozen. I only wear it on special occasions I once wore it when I went to see my tag dealer to show it to them and to the people at Omega and mont Blanc all the dealers were next to each other in a hi end mall. And they all were speechless and crowded around me. No one tried to sell me anything.
I have a speedmaster omega, the Batman GMT Tag, and a JLC- but my Ball is in its own class.
Thank you for posting 👍👍
Great work on that chronograph something that’s way outside my level of experience.
You'll get there! 💪
This a really informative video and the watches look really good.
Thanks a lot for this excellent video.
I think for todays watchers who are not that familiar with (watch) history it's important to mention that Omega and Longines were completely separate watch companies. The Swatch Group was founded as a reaction to the quartz crisis in the late 1970s at the beginning of the 1980s (1983 by Nicolas G. Hayek). Nicolas G. Hayek (sen.) basically saved the Swiss watch industry.
I think even the English version of wikipedia is a little wrong with SSIH which wasn't a real merger but more of a collaboration between Omega and Tissot. When I grew up in Switzerland in the 1970s the only two watch brands that were talked about had been Omega and Tissot. That's probably why those are my favorite watch brands!
Yep, that's a good point 👍
Thank you for another great video, Stian! I always know I’m in for a treat when you upload new content.
The combination of truly professional watchmaking along with the history and humour thrown in is a winning combination.
A couple of questions on this video - I noticed during the disassembly that one movement seemed like it might have had excessive sideshake on the centre wheel. I didn’t catch which watch it was.
Watching you test hand clearance of the grey watch at 35:40 - 35:50 there is some wobble as you turned the hands. Was there perhaps excessive sideshake present here, that could’ve benefited from closing that hole slightly?
The amplitude was still healthy for this watch, though.
It is hard to tell for sure from the video, but I noticed that the hairspring stud in the black watch might be cylindrical instead of the triangular shape of the hole for it in the balance cock. A hairspring replacement? Or is it just the polished and rounded tip of the stud I’m seeing?
I got mine in 1971 and it is on my wrist today as my daily.
thank you for your professional job from grigoriy
My pleasure, glad it was helpful! 😄
Nice touch! The dropping of the parts into the ultrasonic sound, by size! Lol
Glad you liked it!
@@VintageWatchServices I also appreciate all the back story as you went. That was even better than the sound effects. Since I already commented, I thought "Don't over comment!" Since you responded, I will. Thanks!
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First off, glad you're back! My Heuer was at your place, sadly you were in hospital.
Think you have me confused for someone else, buddy :)
@@VintageWatchServiceshe is predicting the future maybe?
@@VintageWatchServicesIt was another watch person, sorry.
Hi Stian, wonderful watches omega moonwatches love space exploration. Great watches. ❤😊🤩🙏🤝😁😀💯🤗⌚⌚⌚⌚
Grey watch is gorgeous
I definitely want a "Speedy" but I can't decide which of the oh-so-many variations there are to buy. Love all of your videos! I have a 1966 Seamaster from you that is fantastic.
Pfp checks out
Very cool to hear, Brian!
The story of Dave Scott’s Bulova watch that went to the moon is a fascinating one too. He was able to keep it after the trip and it shows up every once in a while on an auction.
Oh yes, I'd love to get my hands on one of those Bulovas also :)
@@VintageWatchServices I have had the modern replica in my hand about 10 times and just never pulled the trigger. I guess I am a Bulova guy but my next watch has to be an Omega.
Stian please don’t joke around this is very serious stuff this Watch Repair stuff. Just Joking. What no trouble in paradise. Great to see the moon watches on the bench. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
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I would gather this watch is in the priceless range.
I really like your voice describing what you’re doing. When you do an omega 564 can u take note of which main spring winder you use. #7?
The trouble with your video is that I was not a big fan of the speedmaster, but now that I see the details of the movement I want one 🙂 Takk!
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Wow, how long did it take you to become a master in this craft, this was amazing to watch.
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Watching disassembly of that move.ent is almost beyond my comfortable nervous level. Like watching someone climbing 200m chimney. I have worked with some simple movements, but this is crazy!
One step at a time and before you know it you're working on a chronograph 😎
Great tutorial on the watches Stian as always and both a very fine looking pieces, but I like the black face watch more. I did watch the first moon landing as I had just graduated from high school in 1969. I have no idea what the green substance you asked your viewers to identify. Maybe someone used too much grease on the watch because that is what it looked like to me. I do have a question that I can understand if you don't want to answer. Roughly, how much does it cost for a watch maker to service a chronograph watch if you don't have to make a repair? I've always wondered since I started watching your channel. I hope you and yours are healthy and at peace. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Hello Robert, thanks for your kind words as always :) A service like this one will cost somewhere between €500-1000, I'd think
I am sure for some of those valuable watches you work on your service is well worth the cost. Thanks for responding Stian.@@VintageWatchServices
Que the music Frankie...
"Fly me to the Moon.
Let me play among the stars...
And let me see what spring is like on
Jupiter and Mars."
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Two watches in 40 minutes, that is well into athlete status! :)
I changed the colour of the chrono hands on my Certina, glad it's not just me!
Regarding the entrances for the moon watch "competition" Hamilton sent a plain pocket watch even tho the requirement was a wristwatch with chronometer function. Imagine a pocketwatch on a chain getting tangled with stuff and banging around the capsule :)
You are completely right about Hamilton and that would indeed have been hilarious 🤣
I’ve often wondered if Hamilton was just pranking everyone with that entry or if the marketing team that was promoting their product was really that obtuse 😆
Incredible, 2 Chronos??? Great work Stian. Can I ask , what grit did you use to polish the crystals? Thank you!
I use 800, 1200 and 2000
@@VintageWatchServices thanks Stian.
Как всегда великолепно, отличные часы отличная работа. Спасибо Вам за видео.
Thanks so much!
наши на стрелы и штурманы не менее космические
A delightful twofer, Stian. The two screws for the hour counter pinion clamp must be contenders for the title of teeniest Omega screws. You sound a bit tired. Fortunately, neither watch required you to wield your watchmaker's sledgehammer. Hope you feel 100% soon.
Yeah, those screws are extremely small indeed 😂
My guess as to what the dried green substance is. It's petrolium jelly.
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Not it's pot
Wasn't Bulova up for the watch the astronauts were going to wear because a lot of the instruments in the capsule were made by Bulova? The Accutron movement couldn't be guaranteed to cause electrical interference, or so I heard.
That might very well be! There were several rounds of selection and Bulova might have been part of the first rounds, I don't know that in detail. The finalists were Omega, Rolex and Longines/Wittnauer.
Bulova of course famously have their own moonwatch, worn in the Apollo 15 mission, but that was actually a private watch and not commissioned by NASA. It was a Bulova watch but the movement was made by Universal Geneve.
@@VintageWatchServices and famously the Seiko “Pogue” and others that astronauts wore that weren’t “official” NASA watches. More like they had used them for years for a specific purpose and knew how the worked.
I own a 1967 Speedmaster and have had it from new the cases you have there are nothing like mine , my watch has much slimmer lugs and does not have all that stuff on the back
The pre-moon Speedmasters wouldn't say it was the first watch on the moon 😉
Thank you Stian - again - for sharing this excellent video on RUclips: 👍👏👌!
Space?
Ach, that is another matter altogether. As a child of the 60s, I was always fascinated by it, but Stanley Kubrick's brilliant "2001: A Space Odyssey" brought the truth back home: space exploration is endlessly boring, unhealthy and extremely dangerous.
To anyone disagreeing with this, just imagine living in an environment without air, without water, without good food, but with zero gravity, dangerous radiation, extreme cold, total silence, vast distances, darkness, little personal space, threatening flying objects, no live music, no medical (nor any other) help in emergencies and the voices of NASA controllers communicating with you.
Very good insight, Yves! 👍
Thanks for another great video! What tweezers are you using? And what's the dimensions on the new gaskets you put into the pushers?
I'm using 7A-Bra tweezers from Regine Horology and I don't recall the size of the gaskets
Does Tissot have a watch with this movement?
Hello Enrique, yes, Tissot used these Lemania movements in different variations in some of their watches. Tissot, Lemania and Omega were part of the same umbrella company until the 1980s so you'll find the same chronograph movements in both Omega and Tissot. Omega would have copper plated movements while Tissot would have rhodium plated ones.
Yay! Another video!
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The modded watch is great. IMO, a speedmaster is a nice watch, but it isn't beyond customization if that is what someone wants to do with THEIR watch. I would love to see a channel that is devoted to resto-modding vintage watches. Get a bunch of people all wound up.
I noticed you cleaning the pivots with a pin vice after disassembly. Can you describe what you're using? Is it some form of compacted glass-fibre?
I have an EVE Flex stick in the pin vice. It's an abrasive material, the one I use is super fine so that it just cleans the pivot and doesn't remove any material.
@@VintageWatchServices Gotcha, thanks for that 👍
23;40 That also happens quite often to me, that people don't get it when i'm joking.
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Not in that century but in that decade!
Yeah, brain fart 🙄
And he had a strange way of pronouncing “decade”.
Mate I saw you use that pivot polish pen at a slight angle. I can tell you right now that makes me super curious, don't you have the tail stock attachment for your lathe that does that?
Sure, but it's only a couple of turns for cleaning, I'm not polishing the pivots
Seems like several of the parts retained a memory of zero-gravity and floated right off the watch.
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Fantastic bro but the black needs a black strap and the other wants a strap that matches the dial great watches I had a speedmaster and sold it and regret it every day
Blague: I bet one of the installers said to the other, "..il est con, ce mec!" but perhaps Suisse-french has different slang pejorative expressions. Now I'll have to investigate. Welcome Back!
I'm sure they had their thoughts! 😂
The first watches, but not the first springs!
I have a quick question. Isn't the steel cover in the back of the actual moon watch not a 'dust cover' as you call it, but a steel cover to provide anti-magnetic shielding?
That cover wouldn't really have a big effect on protecting against magnetism, unfortunately, but I've seen it referred to as an anti-magnetic dust cover :)
hi, wondering what is the part # of the tool used to remove the driving wheel at 8:02
It's a Bergeon Presto tool
@@VintageWatchServices would it be the #3 presto?
There are two versions of this tool, one for wheels with an even number of spokes and one for odd number of spokes. I don't recall which number it is but think it's 6 or 7 or so
pretty unrelated question but, do you know if zenmarket (japan's ebay) is still good for finding some jdm watches? I spy a lot of their old seikosha railway pocket watches too... lots on there
I wouldn't know, I'm afraid
Very cool, did you make the replacement screw instead of getting a replacement from Omega to save your client money, or because you cant get them new?
You cannot just buy screws, indeed, so I made one fit
are these watches with the nice defect to jump in a random way the second chrono arm when you start it?
Great job as usual Stean…
Not sure I understand what you're saying, Fulvio?
@@VintageWatchServices I saw in some model of moonwatch when you push the chromo start, the second's arm jumps in a random way
That's a fault in that watch then, most likely that the chrono seconds hand isn't properly fit on the pivot
@@VintageWatchServices strange, 'cause omega wrote it is normal...for me isn't it at that high price
No, it's not normal that the chrono seconds hand jumps in a random way, unless you're talking about microscopic level jumps. There will be a tiny movement in the start depending on where the clutch wheel and the chronograph wheel meet when the chronograph is engaged, but this should hardly be noticeable.
Hahaha. Tell a joke to a Frenchman? You are spot on. You then have to tell them why it's funny -why it is a joke. I suppose that's why they like people in stripey shirts and painted faces trying to escape from imaginary glass boxes. 🤣🤣.
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my favorite heavy lifter.. now like the french ask, the question that kills.. Speedy or equivalent roller... who makes the better watch jejejeje..
I was wondering why there were 17 jewels (8 /12 cogs / wheels) and not 18 jewels (9 cogs / wheels), but then I noticed in this video there's a jewel underneath the hour-minute-second hands. Is that where the "one" jewel is?
The single jewel is the impulse jewel on the balance
Do we get a weekly Dad joke with your Patreon?
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Hi I have recently bought a 1961 (birth year) seamster looked up the numbers to confirm that it's genuine and it checks out however it doesn't say seamster on the dial is this a common thing the dial looks old enough to be genuine just hoping I didn't pay a lot for a Frankenstein
If it doesn't say Seamaster on the dial it's not a Seamaster :)
Ok thanks for the speedy reply
👏Bravo🙏 Grazie del bel video ben spiegato 👏
c est super merci beaucoup
j ai une 145022 de 1969 avec le frein de chrono en delrin!!
amazing
It hurts me soooo badly, when someone pulls hands with inappropriate tool, especially on such watches 😭
Look for tool like Horotec MSA 05.128.
Using cutting tweezers to remove tight chronograph hands is common practice for professionals
What effect does gravity or the lack of it have on a movement? Would a movement on a timegrapher in space read differently than if they were on Earth or the Moon? I need to know. Thanks. Glad to hear that you’re out of the hospital. jk Love you. ❤
Gravity doesn't have much effect on a watch movement. A much bigger concern would be the temperature variations.
And I haven't been in the hospital but there are a few comments about it 🤔
I love idiot story!
Hii i have seico 5 watch i need to repair and restore how can contact to you for this job...
do you know why dial backs always so dirty and not well machined?
Probably because no one will ever see them :)
A watch that went to the moon is interesting if the astronaut Ward on outside of his suit it would have been exposed to extreme temperature variance on and also if there was no air at all in the watch would it run a little faster because of friction I guess the answer is yes but very little you make it look so easy
Yes, you're absolutely right, the watch's accuracy will be affected by both the temperature variations and a lack of air inside the watch, but both of these effects would be very short in duration and the accuracy needed for these watches would be much less than the negative effects.
Lol I just finished servicing a Baumgartner 866. This is such a disheartening video when I thought the 866 was a task lol
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You should get a dog to help you out. He would be a watchdog.
😂 The dad joke to rule all dad jokes! Well done, sir 😁
natural oil did that to the rubber gasket, who ever lubricated should have used silicone
Thanks for the info!
no the first watch, it was the seiko pogue
Not at all, the Pogue was never on the moon.
@@VintageWatchServices Why do people say things like that? 🤔
On the history portion of the video, I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t complete the Kennedy quote, leaving out the most important ‘western’ detail and maybe the biggest difference in the dichotomy of East and West philosophy. You quoted him as saying, ‘we will send a man to the moon’ period. In the Soviet way of thinking that would have been mission accomplished. Anything after that would just be icing on top. But Kennedy went on to further say, “..and return him safely back to the earth.” The mission would have only been a half-success and ultimately looked on as a failure, if the second half of the goal was not carried out. 🚀 🇺🇸
You're absolutely right, but to me it's a complete given that if you send someone to the Moon you will make sure they return safely also. In Norway you wouldn't even think about an option of just sending them somewhere to die 😉
@@VintageWatchServices In Norway, actually being closer to the old Soviet block, you would know better than me but I think the Soviets would have been all too glad to tout the “party’s success”, even if the cosmonauts had not returned safely. As long as the party was successful, was what mattered. They certainly didn’t have any problem ‘juicing’ their athletes in those days for the glory of the party ☭. Even though the East and West still disagree philosophically about a lot, I’m glad those days of a ‘hot’ Cold War are behind us. 🇳🇴 🇺🇸 🇷🇺
@@psidvicious Oh yes, and the views and values of the Russians haven't changed that much in my view, probably best demonstrated by the attack on Ukraine and their constant mix of arrogance and aggression. The right flank in the US are increasingly adopting those same values and attitudes, unfortunately. Very sad to see for us Europeans.
11:39 1st line of defense black stuff just caused my 'biblically bewildered brain' to recall how the building of Noah's ark was to be sealed with pitch inside & out. From an engineering standpoint; few other designs would be able to endure the God only knows the amount of opening & closing of it's many wood joint-ment's that occurred during that entire year's time.
Be interesting to see if that expansion/contraction action would endure most superior to the common rubber gasket technique of leading edge diver's watches. & who knew what for certain space conditions would have on such a mere rubber gasket. And as well, the space engineers chose Omega's tar like pitch substance because of that.
Or perhaps it is only the by product of holding ones every first thought captive to the mind of Christ.
Just another one of those many one's of... ''We His Believer's''
Who's patiently waiting & watching for '.' His✝Just⚖Return '.'
Looks like green paper..
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The water resist on these speedmaster are insanly bad......
Well a joke in frenche is un blague
My birthday is coming up at the end of the month, if anyone has a Reduced Speedmaster hanging around. Just saying.
Since we never went to moon neither did OMEGA so on that basis I will not buy a watch marketed on lies.
😂 Yep, and the earth is flat, right?
@@VintageWatchServices I don’t buy into the flat earth theory just as much as I don’t buy into us landing on the moon, both lies in my opinion but one thing I do know for sure is that you sir are an artist and make incredible content, thanks for the highly enjoyable uploads. Subbed and liked ❤️
Thanks for this video. Question: seeing all those jewels, even on the very old watches. How do they make those?
Oh, it's a bit complicated to explain, but there's good information here: www.jewelpedia.net/sapphire-jewel-bearings-in-timepieces/
After growing the boule, they will cut it into tiny slices, cut out small circles from the slices, drill holes and polish them.
7:54 plastic piece buried in the middle of the movement! Why would they do such a thing? This is low class
No watch has EVER been on the moon!
Exactly! The earth is flat and the sun revolves around it , obviously. Why believe in this stupid thing called science when there are random people on the internet saying things you feel like believing 🙄