The Magnus Protocol theories and thoughts [ep. 11-20]

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  • @pyrosianheir
    @pyrosianheir 5 месяцев назад +18

    Lady Mowbray is HANDS DOWN my current favorite External. Something about her vibes are immaculate murder.

  • @calypsoriverstone
    @calypsoriverstone 6 месяцев назад +53

    "Did Celia kill her double" Oh gosh it's night vale again
    Celia even sounds similar to Cecil

    • @azcdtixs
      @azcdtixs 6 месяцев назад +6

      What if Celia is just transfem Cecil

    • @kitsuna2110
      @kitsuna2110 5 месяцев назад +4

      GUYS I HAVE A THEORY-☝️

    • @veronica_editig3698
      @veronica_editig3698 7 дней назад

      Protocol actually just takes place in nightvale and Celia is a transfem version of Cecil.

  • @eevilauntie
    @eevilauntie 5 месяцев назад +38

    Bonzo doesn't pay taxes, he commits so much tax evasion

    • @Sky-nq9pw
      @Sky-nq9pw 5 месяцев назад +1

      Insurance fraud in Getting off, now he'S commiting tax evasion, what does Bonzo not do

    • @LovecraftsFear
      @LovecraftsFear 4 месяца назад +1

      He gets tax exemptions as a public servant lol

  • @fruitygarlic3601
    @fruitygarlic3601 6 месяцев назад +15

    Regarding Sam's high empathy score, he also had one of the highest 'destructive obedience' scores, as measured by a test where someone begs you to stop giving them (fake) electric shocks. That raises another branch of questions about what the Institute wanted with these kids.

  • @TabbyeLynne
    @TabbyeLynne 6 месяцев назад +52

    If Celia had killed (or came into contact with) her doppelganger in this universe at all she would know her real name and not use Celia anymore
    What I think happened to her is that she was already pregnant when the eyepocalypse happened and she forgot, the same way she forgot her name and everything else about her life or maybe it was too early for her to know she was pregnant
    I think she only found out about the baby after she jumped universes and that's why she keeps teleporting close to where the universes meet but Jack stays in his bed (crib?) Celia belongs to the original universe, she is an interdimesional inmigrant but Jack was born here
    I believe somewhere in this universe there a Lynne Hammond who knows who the father of her child is, maybe she is still in a relationship with said father amd her baby is probably not called Jack
    Also notice how sudden Sam's laugh was when talking to Gwen, he started laughing in what seem like the middle of her sentence and it sounded kind of forced, like something was compelling him to laugh
    Remember how the people Mr. bonzo ate alive were laughing uncontrollably? And how the only one who survived didn't?
    Sam laughed at Gwen, Alice (also there) didn't

    • @dragonicdoom3772
      @dragonicdoom3772 6 месяцев назад +7

      If Celia did get pregnant with Jack before the apocalypse it would explain why she doesn't know who the father is: she probably forgot them along with her original name. Plus when she talks about it with Sam she said it was a weird couple of years for her, which is certainly one way of summing up being traumatised by one of the Fears, going to the Magnus Archives, getting chucked into an apocalypse, losing her identity, joining a cult, travelling to another universe and rebuilding her life in that other universe before finally having a baby.

  • @azcdtixs
    @azcdtixs 6 месяцев назад +33

    Dude might be the only man present here helping us all through difficult times (hiatus)

  • @dragonicdoom3772
    @dragonicdoom3772 6 месяцев назад +20

    I do agree that some of the Cases are missing the atmosphere of TMA but I understand that it must be hard for the writers to top TMA. Especially since the vast majority of the audience consists of TMA veterans who are going to be laser focussed on dissecting each episode for clues, so the team has to try and make the Cases compelling enough that they distract us from our conspiracy theorising.
    I also have a personal theory that Freddy is the OIAR's attempt at creating a digital/artificial Archivist. It seems to have plenty of Eye-related powers, including lie detection and seeing/knowing things it shouldn't (like how its able to access devices it shouldn't). It's tendency to give Cases similar to what is being said around it also reminds me of how Jon described his Knowing power: that just being around certain things, people or ideas can lead to him Knowing something related to them. Plus characters have mentioned that if you file a Case with the wrong code you get a notification of your mistake, but I don't think anyone has said WHO notifies them. I think its Freddy itself, using its powers to Know if the Case has been given the correct code like how Jon would summarise Statements before he even read them: he just Knew what they were about.
    Jumping off that, I think its notable that the Cases and spooky stuff is happening on digital platforms: CCTV, computers, phones etc when previously the Statements couldn't be stored digitally. I think because the Web is no longer using the Tapes its not preventing stuff from being stored digitally.
    It's also worth pointing out that the Drowned Victim (who seems to be a Vast victim instead of Buried since they talk about endlessly sinking into the ocean but never reaching the sea floor, very Vast-coded) was speaking in a very similar manner to Jon during the apocalypse. That plus DV's detachment from reality reminds me a lot of the victims trapped inside Domains.

  • @Itsmidnight_youneedtosleep
    @Itsmidnight_youneedtosleep 5 месяцев назад +10

    I interpreted isaac newton giving the fruit of knowledge to the dog as him turning it into an avatar in a way. That would mean that the magnus institutes experiments would relate to turning people into avatars. I think the capacity to become an agent is for those who became an avatr through other means, like ink5oul, and becoming a catalyst is them putting you through whatever happened to the dog with the apple. Also, Ive noticed whatever [ERROR] is, I dont think its bad. Every time that we’ve seen it get a statement from somebody, its either been a corpse, or the time with Gwen where it let her live. My theory is that the corpses had already been dead, and it just fed on the fear they had when they died and of what killed them. Since [ERROR] came from the archivists office in the institute, I think its definitely a previous archivist. Also, I completely forgot until recently that the tapes from tma arent from the eye, they were from the web. We also know that annabel specifically planned to escape to another dimension after tma and spread more fear, so maybe she is still manipulating things from the shadows. I dont think Freddy is necessarily bad either, but he definitely has some goal, something that he wants the employees at OIAR to do. Especially due to episode 22, I think its somehow Jon, Martin, and Jonah from tma inside freddy, which could mean that maybe they have several different goals.

  • @mossymoobloom1384
    @mossymoobloom1384 6 месяцев назад +32

    Can’t believe the writers called you out personally for the cork board and string theories

  • @GarethOfByzantium
    @GarethOfByzantium 5 месяцев назад +11

    The universe Darren came from could be the OG Archives Universe.

  • @abbytoocoolya1058
    @abbytoocoolya1058 6 месяцев назад +20

    I was not excepting the isaac newton creating the fruit of knowledge and feeding it to a dog than in turn turned into a tree bit kckgcksgkacgk
    also I liked your checker flannel at the beginning

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +2

      Why hello Abby! and yes I too didn’t expect that😭

    • @abbytoocoolya1058
      @abbytoocoolya1058 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@PinkelotjeArt jellos pinky, also thought, is it... is it like the dog became the fruit of knowledges tree🤔 or does this mean trees are super smart. like in Narnia books with the trees hears you and tell your secrets to the evil peeps. or something idk lol

  • @phantomkowai6621
    @phantomkowai6621 5 месяцев назад +11

    There’s smthn about the Magnus universe that loves doom lesbian hunters

  • @healingbunnyboi2742
    @healingbunnyboi2742 2 месяца назад +1

    My theory as to why Teddie keeps coming round is that he sneaks in to listen to cases bc he feels the compulsion similar to Jon. Or at least is just drawn back.

  • @dragonicdoom3772
    @dragonicdoom3772 6 месяцев назад +15

    Regarding episode 17 and the universe hopping, its worth noting the guy ended up in Oxford which is where Hilltop Road is. Assuming he stayed in relatively the same location when travelling universes (we know universes can have different buildings and such since the cleaner lady who got pulled into the TMA universe mentions not being able to find her favourite coffee shop), his therapist was located somewhere in Oxford as well. We also know that the Web spent years prying open the Crack in Reality until it became a giant hole, a "gaping wound in reality" as Anabel put it. Maybe since then its split into several Cracks that branch out from it, causing people who are in Oxford to just fall through randomly

  • @davidgforlando
    @davidgforlando 6 месяцев назад +36

    Im so excited to see what the next ten episodes reveal with so much mystery going around!

  • @PixelOverload
    @PixelOverload 6 месяцев назад +7

    Couldn't these "benevolent entities" simply be Jon, Martin, and Jonah? If they got dragged into this world through the hole at hilltop house _along_ with the nightmares (as at least some essence of them seems to) they would likely come through as something similar to the nightmares, probably intimately entwined with them, but appearing for all intents and purposes as their "benevolent" counterpart to the inhabitants of this world 🤔

  • @chillilefanu
    @chillilefanu 6 месяцев назад +9

    TMP ep 15 ‘drowned victom’ and TMA ep 15 lost johns cave story of maura popham recounting the disappearance of her sister elena… cave diving. but im trying to not think to hard about theories because i want to listen and be shocked by future events (i say as im watching a theory video)

  • @GarethOfByzantium
    @GarethOfByzantium 5 месяцев назад +7

    The glitch when people lie is REAL.

  • @Alexandria-sh4wb
    @Alexandria-sh4wb 3 месяца назад +1

    as an absolute dimwit in terms to analyzing TMP & TMA, these are a godsend 🛐🛐🛐

  • @Nikowo1610
    @Nikowo1610 6 месяцев назад +31

    My theory is that Sam and Alice and Celia will kiss eachother on their cheeks in triangle formation

    • @kitsuna2110
      @kitsuna2110 5 месяцев назад +1

      This is real and true actually and god I wish I were in on that polycule 😭

    • @CandyLover556
      @CandyLover556 5 месяцев назад +3

      The Magnus Polycule ❤❤

    • @Nikowo1610
      @Nikowo1610 3 месяца назад +1

      Okay maybe this didn't happen

    • @CandyLover556
      @CandyLover556 3 месяца назад

      @@Nikowo1610 Gwen* and Alice and Celia?

    • @veronica_editig3698
      @veronica_editig3698 7 дней назад

      I mean Sam can’t do that anymore because of multidimensional shenanigans but Gwen can.

  • @douglysium9770
    @douglysium9770 6 месяцев назад +10

    I want to pitch the idea that ERROR isn't killing anyone yet but it could be what's causing people to give thise post-mortem statements for whatever reason.
    33:30 this theme works as both a continuation of The Eye and The Extinction. Dekker hypothesizes the Exinction to not just be the fear of going extinct but of catastrophic change. As he says in MAG 134, “Time of Revelation,” “But now the fear is not of a rapture or a revelation. It is of catastrophic change. Mankind will warp the world so much it kills us all, and leaves only a thousand years of plastic behind. Technology will strip us of what it means to be human, and leave us something alien and cold. We will press a button that in a moment will destroy everything we have ever been. Animals are witnessing the end of their entire species within a single generation.” So the idea of advancing technology that makes it easier and easier to observe people could fit in line with both The Eye and The Extinction with the fear of surveillance and change. But maybe I'm over thinking it.

  • @sophscrib7438
    @sophscrib7438 6 месяцев назад +11

    Your videos help me make sense of this podcast omg thank you so much-
    Im a firm believer that Agnes will come back because if Gerry AND Gertrude can come back, so can Agnes (im delusional)

  • @cthulhluftagn3812
    @cthulhluftagn3812 5 месяцев назад +3

    I think the Spiders plan didnt quite work in the way it imagined, rather then just dumping the powers outside reality it also caused a shit ton more breaks into said reality to appear, hence why we see people moving between them away from hilltop.
    Rather then break the lock they blew the doors off.

    • @cthulhluftagn3812
      @cthulhluftagn3812 5 месяцев назад +1

      The entities are part of the universe they came from, even if they where outside it.
      By ejecting them from reality entirley it caused significant damage to the fabric of the multiverse, possibly a cascading reaction of damage echoing out across all existence.
      Hopefully we wont discover other, less human entities out there in the blank eternal..

  • @violetstellanova4470
    @violetstellanova4470 6 месяцев назад +11

    I have a hard time understanding what’s going on in the episodes themselves because of the echoey/distorted audio so I really appreciate your videos that break everything down.

    • @Nikowo1610
      @Nikowo1610 6 месяцев назад +4

      Have you tried using the transcripts? You have to wait an extra few hours for them to release but sometimes I find them really helpful if I didn't catch what characters were saying

    • @violetstellanova4470
      @violetstellanova4470 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Nikowo1610 That’s not a bad idea actually

  • @HumanBean23
    @HumanBean23 6 месяцев назад +11

    I thank you a million times for getting us through this hiatus

  • @juliet__o_O
    @juliet__o_O 6 месяцев назад +6

    I really love these videos because i am absolutely terrible at theorizing about literally anything on my own, so this sort of video is honestly perfect to help my immersion

  • @etanifi7613
    @etanifi7613 4 месяца назад +3

    I HAVE A THEORY ABOUT WHY IT IS JOHN MARTIN AND JERGAN INSIDE OF FREDDIE
    - Since the powers were transported into another world, they all had to be transported
    - Gerry compares the fears to colors. The colors bleed and fade into one another.
    - You cannot just take one fear, so logically only the people who have been toutched or marked by all 12 fears were transported with them.
    - The only people in the series who meet these conditions are: John, Martin, and Leightner
    - John: obviously the easiest, Elias litterally spells it out for us, he was marked by each of the 12 fears carefully puppeted by Elias
    - Martin: as John and martin traverse through the fear landscape, john says over and over again that they need to experience the fear and travel though the hellscapes rather than just walking around. These are the conditions that need to be met in order to reach the penoptacon
    - Leightner: Jergan Leightner was constantly involved in all sorts of powers, amassing and using almost 1000 books. These books were easily enough to make a mark on him from all 12 powers, especially when he was fleeing the house with rooms full of such power
    I think the fact that all of these characters have been marked or at the very least “touched” by each of the 12 powers. I also think that It helped that they were all dead when the powers changed dimensions. This leaves their mind/consciousness to go to whatever evil computer that they are currently trapped in.
    It is also worth mentioning that all of these characters died within the premises of the Magnus institute and that may have effected their transformation
    There are a few exceptions and other characters that seem to fit into these categories
    Mikael Celasa - he was an assistant of Jergan Leightner who later traded with all sorts of fear related objects, if these were enough to mark him, and (if Annabel is to be trusted), he is dead. But another similarity is that all of these people died while on the premises of the Magnus institute. This (considering the fact that the penoptacon was the center of the new world) May serve as a sort of gateway to the new dimension.
    Gertrude Robinson - If my earlier assumption is correct and you have to die inside the Magnus institute then she meets that requirement. However, Gertrude was working against Elias in her later years and probably would’ve made DAMN sure that she was never marked by all of the powers. Otherwise Elias would’ve just used her to carry out his plan.
    I am also not fully convinced that she is out of the picture, I think that she may have taken some sort of precaution or safety measure over herself and Gerard, so she may be involved, but not stupid enough to get trapped inside a machine.
    Elias Bouchard/Jonah Magnus - He most certainly died within archive property and one could say that all the powers touched him when he became the pupil of the eye, but at that point, I think it may have been too late for him as a human being. And before that, he experienced them through the eye, I dont think it counts as a mark
    This theory definatley has flaws, but i do see the relation.
    (I also joined very late so my knowledge of the ARG and other theorizing is very minimal)

  • @Sky-nq9pw
    @Sky-nq9pw 5 месяцев назад +3

    Can we, as a community, call Sam and Celia salmonella? I dont even know why but it came to mind and I for some reason love it!

  • @thalianTutor
    @thalianTutor 6 месяцев назад +4

    Still love your videos! I’m so excited to see where the story is going. My theory of Inksoul being a nascent Extinction avatar is pretty much dead in the water but I can’t wait to see what happens next

  • @hopefullyexisting1531
    @hopefullyexisting1531 6 месяцев назад +3

    YIPPEE finally i can understand whats going on again

  • @insanefreak2481
    @insanefreak2481 6 месяцев назад +3

    Omg yes been waiting for this! The hiatus from RQ is giving serious lonely vibes glad to consume some more magnus content!

  • @Idkwhattoputasmyusernameyay
    @Idkwhattoputasmyusernameyay 6 месяцев назад +3

    Oh yeah also the dude from 13 was called Darren just like in episode 17 were Darien was sort of universse hopping

  • @Ezra.mp3
    @Ezra.mp3 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm so sure, given the state of things aka post Collin smashing computers, that him being taken care of means he got killed
    Edit for typos

  • @localechoes
    @localechoes 6 месяцев назад +5

    (e15) heard someone say that the victim could be from mag 195? bc that was like the infinite drowning domain so

  • @a.jbradley
    @a.jbradley 6 месяцев назад +1

    Yes!!! I have been waiting for this video keep checking the channel! Have loved your magnus content so far!

  • @marigold2257
    @marigold2257 6 месяцев назад +2

    Woooooooo, I have been looking forward to this for a while

  • @Erynwithawhy13
    @Erynwithawhy13 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you I am so starved for TMP content ❤

  • @davidgforlando
    @davidgforlando 6 месяцев назад +4

    I agree with you that the format of Personal Screening takes away from it making me not like it as much, as well as Anti Social but I still like anti social alot :P

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +3

      I think I can appreciate the absurdity and the characterisation of Ink5oul in antisocial but the actual horror doesn’t do it for me

    • @bobroll6530
      @bobroll6530 6 месяцев назад +3

      Personally i generally don't find horror related to social network much scarry
      The character is fun, the concept is interesting in of itself, they just don't work for me as an horror thing

  • @sevencubed_
    @sevencubed_ 6 месяцев назад +7

    Cheshire is pronounced chesher
    shire is on'y pronounced as you did on its own, when part of a name it's more of a sher or sheer

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +5

      Yeah I suck at pronouncing things whnsshn but good to know!

  • @Spades_And_Stars12345
    @Spades_And_Stars12345 6 месяцев назад +6

    For TMAGP10/15/TMA130, why is Lucia Wright being called Error? What is the story behind that? I think I missed something lol
    Edit: ok I found the introducing Error's voice actor in the cast list and what Error actually does in TMAGP 10, but is it just a connection between the TMA episode and the TMAGP episode through the voice actor or does Lucia Wright have something to do with the Institute?

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +7

      We don’t know if error is Lucia wright only that her and error share the same voice actor. In tmagp 10 something was released from the magnus institute which was credited as Error. They did the same with Norris, Chester and Augustus before the series released. The identity of error is thus unclear.

    • @Spades_And_Stars12345
      @Spades_And_Stars12345 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@PinkelotjeArt A few friends and I have a little theory that the thing released was John cause he kinda seems immortal now in some sense. Tho idk how he would ahve gotten to this new dimension since he wasn't at Hilltop Road. Do u think this could be possible? What r ur theories on what was released? Also ur video makes for great background talk while I changed lightbulbs and dyed my hair :)

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Spades_And_Stars12345 I don’t think it’s Jon just for the fact we know Errors voice actor. My personal thought it’s properly a new character, most likely redacted who was a character in a open casting call. Referred to as a being who steals peoples identities to make its own or something like that. Could maybe align with error.
      That or sticking to the theory that they only credit it as error because it’s a character from the magnus archives, Agnes MAYBE, but that’s me talking and I’ll make anything Agnes related.

    • @Sky-nq9pw
      @Sky-nq9pw 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Spades_And_Stars12345 I believe it has something to do with her giving an in voice statement. If Error is jon, I doubt he'd still have his voice. What if it was stolen from the tapes? Also, Error not having a physical body might be due to Lucia Wright having an encounter with a flesh ritual, so with the experience stolen via tape recorder may mean her body was stolen as a result ofthat?

    • @Spades_And_Stars12345
      @Spades_And_Stars12345 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@Sky-nq9pw It makes sense that they could have taken the recording of John's voice and used some sort of AI to read out statements. This can also work with Martin's voice, tho idk what tapes they would have used for the third voice (I don't remember who it belongs to rn)
      Also, I have no idea if the tapes or The Eye can steal bodies, especially since The Eye focuses more on stealing secrets in a sense. I could see The Flesh or The Stranger stealing bodies cause they do similar things. I really don't know if Lucia's body could have been stolen since she was present to give her statement. It's an interesting theory tho that could open up a lot of possibilities.

  • @argyropoeia
    @argyropoeia 6 месяцев назад +4

    wow crab jumpscare

    • @PinkelotjeArt
      @PinkelotjeArt  6 месяцев назад +1

      There’s silt in my brain

    • @argyropoeia
      @argyropoeia 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@PinkelotjeArt mine too bestie

  • @amelia-nq3ew
    @amelia-nq3ew 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank u for making these videos!! so fun and helpful

  • @Ezra.mp3
    @Ezra.mp3 4 месяца назад

    I'm so sure, given the state of things aka post Collin smashing computers, that hik being taken care of means he got killed

  • @GarethOfByzantium
    @GarethOfByzantium 5 месяцев назад +1

    You wanna bet Connor is Alice’s deadname?!

  • @bobroll6530
    @bobroll6530 6 месяцев назад +9

    Agnes can't still win
    Because she's already won
    Our hearts
    Not much more tbh

  • @patsmith7095
    @patsmith7095 6 месяцев назад

    Ha! Great work.

  • @scribbleshrimp
    @scribbleshrimp 5 месяцев назад +1

    Yayyy :3

  • @chew5262
    @chew5262 6 месяцев назад

    What’s on the sticky note board,

  • @LaundryFaerie
    @LaundryFaerie 2 месяца назад

    I wonder if Crypto Bro is Colin's ex.

  • @vkgamimg8493
    @vkgamimg8493 2 месяца назад

    Jartin

  • @wiebsterbeer
    @wiebsterbeer 6 месяцев назад +1

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