Are The British Royal Family Illegitimate? | Britain's Real Monarch | Real Royalty
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2019
- New evidence is unearthed that strongly suggests that Richard's brother, King Edward IV, was illegitimate. If that were the case, the entire royal bloodline that traces its lineage to Edward has no legal right to the throne. In fact, according to our own constitutional rules, Britain's real monarch today is not Elizabeth II, but King Michael, a resident of Jerilderie, Australia.
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You know a man has had a good life when he doesn't regret not being the king at all.
why is he just stepping up now then how did he not do it years ago.
Not knowing what you ever had..or what you really are..
Of course you'll say that..
He is the rightful king though. The crown belongs to him. A mistake was made and it needs to be corrected.
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Yes.
so if he wants his crown back he needs allies and troops and maybe a dragon
No u stupid thanos he need jokowi help
Dragons are ALWAYS a must!!
(EDIT: holy shit! Thanks for almost 100 likes!)
Actually it was Henry VII who had the dragon. The dragon was a Welsh symbol, and was used by Henry on his banner at the Battle of Bosworth by which he claimed the throne by conquest.
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The real family is so sweet. They understand what it is to not have a silver spoon in their mouth all the time. It offeres so much to respect.
Reading Shakespeare and then stating "that's pretty clear isn't it" got me 😂😂😂😂😂
@rosey.... Picked up in that too😅
You can strip a man from his title, but you can't strip him of his real value.
A man of great integrity, will never be forgotten
Shame on you timeline. Way to undermine your Royal family. I am disgusted. I guess you want to get rid of the family by bringing up something which happened 500 yrs ago. I am embarrassed for you..
@@maureenjamieson6223 THE QUEEN IS A THIEF , SHE IS SURVIVING ON THE ROBBED WEALTH OF THE WORLD.
The only thing that matters in life is have you been "born-again" KJV John 3:7.
@@berrymanmontgomery7875 Yes indeed. I am thank God.
@@berrymanmontgomery7875 👍 True integrity is "No doubt" based on someone having a "Holy" mindset, (Sanctified and set apart).
The bloke won. Grew up and stayed normal in Australia. Definitely a win
But still not the legitimate heir. Henry VII acquired his claim to the throne not by marriage with Edward IV's daughter, but through his own mother's Beaufort/Lancaster/Plantagenet blood. And although the Beauforts had been "barred" from succession almost a century earlier, Henry VII's claim via that exact line was accepted by parliament in 1485. And that is what counts.
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It also 'counts' to keep your head on your shoulders!
@@gazza2933 good one
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Parliament would have been made up of mostly barons at that time.
Definitely not your local MP. 👍🏻
>normal
>Australia
Lol no
The thing is, the english "Royal family" knows this. Blood lines, family heritage is their thing. And we can count on there are absolutely no details missed when it comes to that.... They actually might be afraid the public finding out.
And to me, it shows how ridiculous the whole "royal thing" is really... Owing my respect as a human being, (also behind closed doors) is what is counting for me. Having lots of money, having no empathy, and arrogance sitting on a high throne certainly doesn't owe my respect, quite the opposite....
This was interesting. Thank you 🙏
The problem is that you cant change one element from history, and then leave the other elements the same. Perhaps if the first event happened, the others would've been different and there would be different people on the throne today.
I am at a loss to see how little effect the different outcome would be. Especially That the monarchy was constituted monarchy.
@@jamesthornton9399the difference would certainly be different if the correct lineage was preserved at the source of the mishap. The rightful descendants would not be that free to marry whoever they want and they would have had more money that would open them to different opportunities and social circles to mingle and pair up with. The alternative royals that are living today would not have been born and most likely would not have been living in Australia, there would be different lineage entirely in the UK. Moreover, the UK probably would still be catholic as the mishap was before Henry VIII. Possibly there would be enough royal descendants in England that James VI from Scotland would not end up being king James I of England and Ireland as well, Scotland might have still be independent country. There would be different political tensions that would perhaps not lead to Cromwell dissolving monarchy in 1649 and then creation of constitutional monarchy might well not have happened (it started in 1688). In fact who knows, with the anti monarchy movements in Europe in the early XX century the British Royal Family might have been dissolved completely with revolution the same as in other countries if it still held more power at that point. I think it only survived so long as it was not perceived as powerful, the UK might have had a president today instead, but we would never know that. Perhaps the handsome archer has actually saved the RF after all, as it is still going strong today despite the political storms around them.
He did say that.
He has the royal blood but doesn't regret not having to participate inside the monarchy life. Such a kind soul :)
He would be killed if he threw a fit that made headlines
He is being mature and smart.
Stupid old kings would raise army and waste lives,money, energy etc for the Goddamn RIGHT!!
Considering how violent and volatile the Royal family's relationship today...I'm not surprised with that wise decision.
Who’d want to. He’s smart.
Can someone explain to me why their blood is so Royal? And why the peasants feel the need to give all their money to them while they go hungry and freeze to death?
"King" Michael and his family line dodged a bullet if you ask me. Talk about money and power all you want, but I'd take a close-knit, loving family and the respect and friendship of my community over an immensely distant and dysfunctional family and the "privilege" of having every detail of my life ordered and critiqued by other people.
AMEN!!!
that's the way we see it as outsiders, they live in a different bubble where all these thoughts of ours are irrelevant in a way
@@saucespicy5683 Well, with my "outside view" I am thankful that my bloodline isn't tainted with any "royalty"!.!.!
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE. HE NEEDS TO RESCUE BRITAIN AND AUSTRALIA FROM THE PRESENT TYRANNY
@@TRINITY8400 Sadly, I heard that King Michael passed in 2012. So he's not available for regime makeovers :(
Interesting that Simon Michael Abney-Hastings, 15th Earl of Loudoun was chosen to carry one of the gold spurs of the royal regalia, emblems of knighthood and chivalry to be presented to the king at the 2023 Coronation. The only Australian to have an Official role for the Coronation.
They know the true history. As long the Hasting don't come for them then the so called royals play nice.
it says on Wikipedia that he aknowledged his right to the throne.
Where theories like this fall apart is when you consider the fact that had the Duke of Clarence's descendants been royalty, they would have married other royals, not just any Tom, Dick or Mary, therefore, the people who "should" be on the throne today, wouldn't exist.
What a jolly man, he knows of his family trees, yet he is not affected by it, Good man!
I gotta say, if it's between Charles and a guy with lawn gnomes in his yard.... I'm standing with the lawn gnome man. XD
@mishrooms actually, I don't like him(Charles) because he is quite eccentric and doesn't seem to understand how the real world works. But think what you want, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :)
@@RummerChan All Hail The Lawn Gnome Man
Hhhhhh u made me laugh
@mishrooms but what they did to lady di was bad tho
Doesnt Tony Robinson play daddy in man down
The current royals would never give up their lavish lifestyle, power and wealth. This story was quite interesting. I really enjoyed it!
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Very interesting. Like Michael, I am a working class republican. I found a common ancestor in my mother's and fathers ancestry, and it is King Edward IV. One through a legitimate line, and the other through an illegitimate son Arthur Waite. This documentary has made the rest of my ancestry research very complicated now.
Ooooh ..... would you be able to keep us updated on that?
There are plenty of people around who could lay claim to any number of titles, but the brutal truth is, the ancestors of Elizabeth II were more ruthless bastards than their rivals.
If u think they were brutal then read about the " merowinger" .
And we ended up with our wonderful Queen Elizabeth whom I wouldn’t have swapped for anything
Anyone can be Monarch. You just have to have an army and take the Crown. History has proven that many times over.
@O and in a constitutional monarchy to have the backing of the majority of people and if you behave like a tyrranical despot they may well dethrone you (and decapitate you) and install someone else as monarch or despatch having a monarch altogether!
Hear, hear.
Let us help the Ausie overthrow the British monarchs, for historic justice' sake😀
@@chaveraoh I think the Aussies need to overthrow the Lefties first.
Exactly
Wonderful program professionally filmed, host has a warm way of connecting to people, inclusive even. The story of the Australian King of England….fascinating
and heartwarming. ❤
I've thoroughly enjoyed watching this! Thank you for posting it!
Queen Victoria being the grandmother of Europe and descendant of Edward IV (a bastard) makes all of Europe Royalty Ilegitimate
So they're just normal people who lucky crowned
And also the fact that her offsprings caused so much havoc in the 20th century, that we are still cleaning up after them.
@@diosaputra5030 lucky people to inherit titles and land. Land owners basically. Nothing special
Dont worry there is plenty of bastardy going on in the royals and nobility even without Victoria
And the anglican church too
I love what's said ... "The nature of history itself. It's fragile. It's accidental. ... some people rise up and others are cast down below ... we tend to think of the monarchy as a solid institution ... whereas in fact wealth, privilege and power and status just hang by a thread. There's no such thing as the divine right of kings". ... This beautifully sums up what I take away from this documentary. There's NO such thing as the divine right of kings (monarch).
But they are still under the highest King
The fact that the family lines of human beings are subject to accidents of fate or whatever other euphemisms one wishes to use for the Will of God really has nothing to do with the monarchist idea of the Divine Right of Kings that I can see. After all what sort of Divine Right did all the Saxon and Norman monarchs have to ownership of Britain to begin with? As Napoleon once said God is on the side the largest armies. That's also a bit of a massive oversimplification since natural disasters such as plagues, meteor collisions, volcanic eruptions or other "Acts of God" have also historically influenced property distribution but no more than the Socialist notion that all of us are equally entitled to an equal share in all the property in the world which is something that has never existed in actual practice anywhere.
@Anon but not q Basically that traditional legal principles such as hereditary property rights do not cease to exist regardless of the legitimacy of the Tudors or not. Legal traditions exist because it benefits us to have commonly accepted principles of law to refer to not because any of us are under any delusion that those principles have never been corrupted in practice by shady lawyers or dishonest judges and politicians. :)
the same goes for Zionistic beliefs over Palestine
@@misty5805 THEY wrote your bible.
Kinda surprised you’re still alive after this 🤘🏻 Keep on keepin’ on!! ❤
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What a lovely bloke King Michael is! Kind, productive, modest and rational, he seems like he'd be a good leader, regardless of bloodlines.
Something that occurs to me is that the departure of the Plantagenet line from royal culture may have been a blessing to the lasting health of King Michael and his family. Being excluded from the royal lineage allowed the Plantagenet descendants to escape the practice of royal inbreeding and bring the fresh, robust, healthy DNA of commoners into their family tree. The consequences of generations of inter-marriage and inbreeding within European royalty brought the monarchy many tragic genetic issues that we know of (haemophelia and porfiry, to name two,) and there are likely additional genetic problems caused by inbreeding that are still present in the current British royal family, but are yet to be identified and diagnosed by medical science. Those who abandoned the royal practice of inbreeding with their cousins appear to be far more healthy - both physically and emotionally - than most of the current Saxe-Coburg-Gotha ("Windsor") clan.
The royal charisma about him is unmistakeable.He certainly knows his roots yet he chose to live a normal but satisfying life with respectable achievements and wise humility.God bless his family and his generations to come with Kingly favor and success🙏🏻
God Bless Your Entire Family.😁❤
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Perfectly said ❤
The Windsors, or should I say Saxo-Coburg have 0 charisma, have you listened too William, Harry, Charles or Andrew. Literally 0! But maybe that's the point, they aren't Royal. I guess
Amen 🙏💞
I'm not British, but this was EXTREMELY interesting! Thank you so much for doing all the research and going through all the traveling and trouble to make this BRILLIANT video!
Why would you have to be British to enjoy this?
@@electricdreams9446 Oh please, snowflake! 🙄
@@jayb8881 huh.....
@@electricdreams9446 Exactly!
@@jayb8881 Brilliant! 😂😆😝
Brilliant! History at its best. Although nothing will change, it is what it is and it is the truth, that is history, like you said "the nature of history, is fragile, accidental". It reminds me of the history of Latin America. When Cristobal Columbus arrived in the americas, he thought he had arrived in India, not the Americas, so he called us Indians, which of course we are not. Also, he did not discovered us, before the Spaniards, there had been the Vikings, the Chinese, who treated us very different to how the pilfering Spaniards did.
I really feel this man is genuine, kind and fair minded. If our current 'royals' are aware of this travesty of justice, then I am even more ashamed of them now!
of course they are
It is not an injustice watch the whole documentary to get the facts.
Honestly I think he had a better life just being normal and actually being able to live....being that I’m seeing this in 2020, I pray that his family is safe from the fires as well as everyone else
Amen. May God be merciful.
He was saved by God from the illuminati
@@prettygirlie1266 There have been Kings brought to God by God Himself. Things may have been much more moral had they stayed on. But Satan had to set himself up ...
Although the fires have been the worst we have ever seen most of the country has not been burnt. I think where this family lives is on the plains. The fires have been concentrated on coastal areas and in hill and mountainous country.
We Australians appreciate the love and concern the international community has shown. However, I think we also need to let everyone know the majority of the country has not been burnt. North Queensland, where the Great Barrier Reef is located, is unaffected.
One of the big problems that is now stemming from the fires is that many tourists are cancelling holidays or not coming even to places such as the northern, western and central parts of Australia have not really been affected.
Thank God for the beautiful life he has
I love how Michael whips out his copy of the family tree and cross references everything
Yes! Probably the funniest part. And his tree looks way nicer.
This is how HISTORY become priceless!! The summary words are gold!! Brilliant documentary and Long Live King Michael🌹and his royal heirs🌹
Such a good point made at the end! I'd take Sir Michael's life any day, seems to have such a wonderful life of normalcy! I love the supposed queen shopping for dinner in Germany - funny stuff!
Great show 🙂
He looks like he could be a good King. A lovable King
He sure isn’t ARROGANT : BREATH OF FRESH AIR
Agreed! Lovely man.
However had he grown up a ‘royal’, he may not have become the man he is.
Could you knight me sire? I don't see why not!
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Now that’s what a real king should look like, handsome, charming and warm hearted, with humility as well. He was the real king.
prove it.
Looks more normal than any of the current royals.
Absolutely! Handsome,charming and wearing flip flops 😆👑👑👑
Long live King Michael and his Gorgeous bloodline.
APPARENT royal blood
I love Tony and all of his research documentaries. He is so good.
It amazes me that people do not understand that actions of the past cannot be judged according to to current standards which are ever changing.
I think Michael, looks, speaks, thinks, and acts very well for a King!
agreed
Fully agree!
Another Woke Cancelled Culture!
Who cares????
These people would make up anything goes.
And properly murdered his brothers sons. A truly good man. Lol.
I agree the skipper king.
He had a very kingly presence about him...a noble yet affable humility
Great research! Really enjoyed this. Thank you!!
Oh,just happened on this wonderful historical Revelation. Was watching the the British Royals Family on ,BBC. It was about the recent loss of HMTQ.
WHAT a incredible experience, happened to hear about the " Man who Could have Been King" I truly believe now we all have a destiny, probably pre-planned ?? I enjoyed this so much,haven't been able to stop doing more research. Thank You
Bless him in his endeavors. Finding food for benefit of everyone to ensure there is no starvation is much more practical and noble than anything I can think of.
Exactly!!
We get all the way through to the end to find out that the true King of England lives a quiet life in Australia, looks like the Skipper from Gilligan's Island, and is one hell of a nice guy!
Very true, that is why I can't comprehend that why is anyone rubishing Harry and Megan. They are a married couple whom want to live their life a way they like, no one's buzyness, only the press wouldn't know what to talk about without hating someone, specially the English press, they are the most descipable press on Earth, hardly ever!!! tell the truth, very sad that some people believe them.
Tony Robbo's Jewish . Most Jewish media pundits hate Monarchies bcs of past Regal pogroms they suffered . Why he accepted a Knighthood seems treacherous hypocrisy !
Australia is a member of the Commonwealth. Now, you even have the King! And he ain’t goin’ nowhere✌️
@@sumanamjs I don't blame him! Ya know, that whole show would never had worked if they had wound up with a total douche-bag at the end. This humble and hard working man and his family made it all worth the watch.
😂😂😂🍾 cheers
Interesting and fascinating, but the whole thing about Edward IV's supposed illegitimacy is moot because Henry VII ruled by right of conquest. His marriage to Elizabeth of York was simply to placate York loyalists. If Henry Tudor's conquest didn't make him the rightful king, then the entire Norman line of kings, starting with William the Conqueror, weren't rightful kings to begin with.
That is exactly what I was thinking... I have only watched about 5 minutes but once I knew the reason for the "illegitimacy" I just looked to the comments to find one like this. 1 Edward was not born to be king and only took the throne as revenge for the killing of his father who had power over the brain-dead Henry 6th. 2. After Edward died the throne passed to Richard 3 after whatever happened to the boys in the tower, there is no case for Richard being illegitimate so Henry beating him in battle just wins the claim out and out because he beat the 'legitimate' king at the time. 3. Yes I agree with you that marrying Elizabeth wasn't his claim it was only to strengthen his claim to the throne and to stop everyone picking sides between York and Lancaster bc it united them. Also, I don't think Henry 7th line was banned from taking the crown as bastards can be legitimized and I don't even think there were any issues in the first place, he was the last noble of Lancastrian descent which is where his claim came from. All claims are viable as long as you have the biggest army and the most supporters lol.
Yes. And even if there wasn’t that, Elizabeth 1 had no heirs of the body.james vi was Scottish and his children half danish. I stopped watching after the introduction. Too many ifs and buts and maybes.
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What a down to earth Michael Hastings is , I would rather his life style , than the royal family , Michael and his family live an honest life good luck to them all , well done tony for making for bringing this to our attention 👏👏👏👏
He seems like a kind, emotionally intelligent person, glad he's been enjoying a good life & is living the way that makes him happy
Maybe God is protecting this man & his family from a humongous mess.
See what is going among the Royals in Britain now?
hahaha could well be thats the case
What an excellent show... well done Tony and crew... from an impressed aussie... 🤗
What a Fantastic research!! Congratulations !! Thank you
OMG! This video needs to be shared around the world! The REAL King Michael looks so kind. The interviewer is so lucky to have met the rightful King. The daughters joked and laughed because they are so used to their happy carefree lives down under. A blessed family. But it makes me sad to know that the REAL King was not on the throne
I don't know that he's the real King there are several of us that stem from the actual royal family Crown in the beginning of time the McNichols family is supposedly the rightful royal family Sophie of Hanover was the last legitimate Royal Queen that takes it in a whole different direction of which my cousins are talking about right now because they're direct ancestors so we've got some problems and we're trying to figure out who can help us figure out the real thing anybody got a law degree
The royal family will never take a. DNA test just dig up king Richard and test his blood with king Charles
@@shariedeal930 You'll need someone with more than a UK law degree. You'll need a couple of British historians, genealogists and access to royal records. Then, you'll need at minimum, a British Lord or higher, to confirm every finding, and a few advocates in Parliment. Best of Luck, but it will likely remain a great story to pass to your posterity.
This kind of thing happened at the time, not just to the British monarchy. Or someone warred against the King/Queen, overthrew them, and took the throne.
I'm sure that the real Monarchy would not be mixed up in this NWO rubbish like these lot is ,a question I would like ask ,the boy who escaped from the the window of the palace I wonder why.?
Watch out buddy, Camilla will be trying to get a date with you.....😂
Lol
Camila has ended up with a commoner it suits her right!
YES!
Ewww!
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That was very interesting! Thank you for your research!
your right...just like we found out my son's have lineage for Denmark...we aren't sure where they fit in but we do know " Princes" are the picture....they each had a child as well...but like you said...your right on target..I learned alot from this..Thank you for your time and energy on this not to mention all the little things you did as well just to put this all together.....
Not the first illegitimate monarch, and probably not the last.
@belenda gramacki *reality: fck off, i got another idea*
I am 0 rhesus neg, blue blood. All my family are rhesus -
Surely i fit in there somewhere.
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Thanks Cris Frieboes.
It will be the last. The monarchy serves basically no purpose anymore. There's really no reason to usurp the throne anymore.
How humble and kind he is and his daughters beautiful.
Dear Michael and family, Sir, it is indeed an honor to know you and your family.
With lot's of love and prayers from Bhutan.
Loved this!!! Thank you!!
In fact, King Michael I, passed away in 2012, so the rightful heir to the English Throne is King Simon I, not Charles whom belongs in Coburg Castle in Northern Bavaria, Germany!
Fascinating and beautifully well researched. I had read of this decades ago while studying Royal History regarding the Hastings Lineages. Studying Royal History was a favorite hobby of mine for many years. My own husband is a researcher and Predictive Modeler of Neural Net Models. His Undergraduate degree is in History. His Masters Degree is in Social Science. Research was a perfect and passionate career choice for him. We have oftentimes said that good, trustworthy imperial data tells the real stories through its PESKY LITTLE FACTS and, oftentimes, not simply through the LARGELY KNOWN FACTS. Certainly that wisdom has been showcased by you and your passionate love of research. BRAVO GOOD to you 👏 👍. I certainly respect your devoted work.
My great, great grandmother Mary Brown born 1705 leads to Royalty. I traced my ancestry to the Hastings.
@@fairchild1737Very cool!! 💞
A man who who does not seek the pleasures of power, who accept and understand the privileges and freedoms of a simple life, that man is a man who I can call king.
This was really fun. Thank you
The counter argument is that Edwards father made a quick trip home to see his wife, or had her brought to him so they could spend some time together. This was quite common at the time and maybe this one trip ent unrecorded or is lost to time.
Michael definitely got the better end of the deal. He strikes me as a most genuine man, easy going, most likeable, with morals, principles, & a sense of humor. He doesn't act like a stuffed shirt, but rather someone I'd like to sit down and have a conversation with. Best wishes to him.
A true King is humble and kind.
Lol just casually starting a succession war on tv
My thoughts exactly! LOL
Lmao
Would be nice to witness tbh 🤣
@@mirzar8695 u ain't lieing
Lol
This is SO fascinating, I had no idea! How this would have changed history in so many ways. I have watched so many documentaries and have read so much about the monarchy and this is the first hearing of this. I think King Michael has true happiness, more so than the royal family will ever have.
Do you accept this as 100% truth?? LOL You are too ignorant to be real.
@Real Royalty. TY so much for this breath of fresh air history.
The Act of Settlement, saying that the future monarch has to be a legal child, is from 1701. Means, these rules did not apply in the time of Edward yet.
Also laws don't really matter for a feudal system. Might makes right. Or are we now going to say William the Conqueror isn't a legitimate English king lol.
Why should there be The Act of Settlement?
If Edward IV was illegitimate, then there wouldn't be a Henry VIII who wanted to be divorced by the catholic church from his first wife Catherine of Aragon, which was denied by the pope. That was the reason why Henry VIII made his own church. Maybe the Kings of England would still be catholic...
There would be another history. On the other hand several other countries of northern Europe had seperated from the catholic church.
But the history would defiantly different. If the Pole/Hastings family would have inherited the crown, they would have married other partners. Princesses from other countries for example. And princesses from the "Hastings" royal family would have married foreign princes. No one could tell if there would have been a war about religion in England. The british parliament enacted The Act of Settlement because they wanted to exclude catholic descendant of Elisabeth Stuart, but with the alternative line of succession maybe no Britain would exist, if the crown of England and Scotland never merged together.
Actually it doesn't matter. The father of Edward IV never disputed, that the fourth child of his wife wasn't his. He had 13 children overall with her. I don't think he would have so much children with her, if he would have thought she betrayed him. And he couldn't be so stupid that he couldn't count the time how long a pregnancy take...
@@red.aries1444 Henry VIII's claim to the throne did not depend on Edward IV. His father, Henry VII, did explicitly claim the throne through his mother's Beaufort ancestry. And although this family had been blocked from succession a century earliert, parliament accepted this exact claim by Henry VII in 1485. So he was crowned king BEFORE he married Elizabeth of York, Edward IV's daughter.
And one more thing. If Edward IV had not claimed to be king, then the Lancaster main line would possibly not had died off during the Wars of the Roses. Edward's brother George, the duke of Clarence, would have been too weak to claim the throne. So Henry VI's son, prince Edward of Wales, would have become king somewhere around 1480 after his father's natural death (not murdered in 1471 by Yorkists). So the house of Lancaster would have persisted and we would see a completely different royal line today.
@@theodoravonwied5441 - Yes! So many alternate scenarios to ponder, the millions of ripple or butterfly effects over many centuries to imagine...what is, what could’ve been, and what never was...it’s so fascinating and fun to think about!!
@@theodoravonwied5441 I think there is a misunderstanding. :-) I don't doubt Henry VII claim to the throne. Any other claim is irrelevant after the parliament acceptet Henry VII as the rightful king. After this it really doesn't matter even if he wasn't of royal blood.
My point is, that the Act of Settlement says that everyone who isn't a descendant of Sophia of Hannover and who married a catholic is excluded. You can't argue with any later law to something which happenened before. There are to much possibilities over the years. And even if George Plantagenet had inherited the throne, then the following English kings and queens had definitely married other partners, so there never would have been a Michael Abney-Hastings. So nice interesting story, but any other person with more rights to the english throne than the actual queen Elizabeth is a completly stupid idea.
You can't take Shakespeare as history, he's not historically accurate, he's writing to entertain, plus he's a subject of the Tudors.
It would be a very clever way to mock your supporters though.
this is bullshit look up the new king of england on youtube
@@jhunterb123 I don't understand. btw I am a Shakespeare expert.
Really? In Shakespeare's King Richard the III he was a hunchback and we were told that he probably made that up as he was a villan. However when they discovered Richard's skeleton a few years ago guess what...he was a hunchback!
@@kevinlongman007 Yes, but it was greatly exaggerated by the Tudors. He had a slight scoliosis of the spine. Shakespeare's portrayal of him was probably based on a history written by Moreton, and copied out by Thomas More. They lived long after the events written about. There is plenty of evidence to say he was a good king. Shakespeare is not only writing to entertain, he has to keep his head on his shoulders in Tudor times when he lived.
I realise this is not a recent post. As a Blackadder fan I found this ultimately comical start to finish, as a relative of Rob Roy and an Australian it doesn't surprise me in the slightest we have the real king incognito with a warm republican heart. Absolute classic!
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
I really liked that they did this research. He has a strong claim, no doubt, since he is the current Plantagenet heir, but the fact is that Henry VII was King by Right of Conquest. He married Elizabeth of York to add legitimacy to his already frail claim through John of Gaunt, but while he was not 'legitimate,' he was still King. This was a great thought exercise and lesson about history though. I wonder how many others through that long line of Kings and Queens were not really legitimate. But as always, appearance is reality, and possession is 9/10ths of the law, especially when talking about royalty.
He looks like a King :) he is charming, well-mannered, chilled, friendly, seems very decent. Real monarch!
Thanks Tony, interesting docco. There is interesting information in the Bible about Kings and Queens. Especially European monarchies. I think you would be fascinated by the role that prophecy had and has in these things. I am English living in NZ and learnt about bible prophecies since coming here.
Daniel 2:43 speaks of the European King's being of the One seed. We know this to be Victoria. All of her children and grandchildren ruled in the European kingdoms but could not unify as was prophecied. All there for us to study. Prophecied thousands of year ago. Cheers Pat
Great work dear
As a child, I wondered what makes one family royal and another ordinary????? I think it is simply power and money fueling it all, Titles being obtained by sheer force and brutality. Their blood is not blue, it is red just like anyone else's.
Their blood might not be blue, but at least it accumulated gen-defects over centuries. So they are special.
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Still to this day i have the same question. It seems clear money and resources are what sets these two groups apart.
Beaucoup de consanguinité du aux mariages cousins cousines accompagné de tares successives
The Hastings are taking this lightly, but I guarantee the Tudor line takes this quite seriously.
I guarantee you that they do not.
@@Peter-ov6xh maybe not anymore, the crown is basically finished after the queen dies, due to all the illegal, and pedophile activity in the family and friends. No sense on being serious about something that will basically be lowered to the status of glorified zoo attraction.
@@rj4313 hey now, that's mean to Zoos.
@@rj4313 so insightful of you.
Correct basically for the future.
Very interesting! Thank you!
Question: Michael Hasting’s children and grandchildren having been born in Australia and to an Australian mother, instead of being born in England and to an English mother of a noble bloodline, would this alone preclude Michael Hasting’s heirs, in theory, from ever occupying the throne?
Fascinating research and presentation, thank you. Although one could perhaps take the concluding reflections a few steps further, to a more transcendent point latently there.
No, alot of royal child, especially the hanovers were not born in England. Its not a requirement. Also many monarchs married feign spouses
Indeed fascinating but the point is rather moot. The British "line of succession" is riddled with illigitimacies, regicide, interruptions and influxes of foreign dynasties.
Exactly.
Moot because Parliament not a person’s heritage decides who is monarch. It has been thus since at least 1485 - Henry VII’s time.
Yes our Queens family heretage comes from Germany and her husband from Greece
pat gladwell Some of the Queen’s middle distant heritage is German. The most recent of her ancestors, who were born in Germany, were 2 of 8 her great parents, Queen Mary’s parents. They were both born in Germany in the 1860s. But even that is not clear cut as Queen Mary’s grandmother and great grandmother were born in England being Queen Victoria and one of her daughters. Otherwise you have go back another generation to find more German ancestry to Prince Albert.
The Hanoverian dynasty derived its claim to the throne from George I’s grandmother Elizabeth, daughter of James VI of Scotland I of England (In other words his British heritage was much closer to him than the Queen’s German heritage).
All royal families until the twentieth century tended to have foreign spouses. By emphasising the foreign heritage and not the British is artificial. The present Queen has comparatively little non British blood, particularly when compared to virtually all her predecessors back to Elizabeth I. Elizabeth I and Edward VI are almost unique in the British monarchy after William the Conqueror in that they had very little non British blood
Keeps the bloodline healthy. :)
I would love to see the results of a DNA test.
On everyone. Can you imagine? One giant Soap Opera! 🇺🇸
Never going to happen in this matter.
The current queen and the royal family didnt allow it. For… obvious reasons 😂
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excellent video!
I've watched this numerous times and wondered about Mr. Hastings family. I truly hope all of them are happy and well. A very warm and kind man that lived an ordinary life in Australia with his children and grandchildren. No regrets about not being involved with the monarchy. His family was his wealth. Looking at this part of his life can make one self reflect what's really important.
I love this guy, what a family man! 5 kids, 5 grand kids - if that's not success I don't know what is - long live the TRUE King!
There are lots of reasons why Edward IV was likely legitimate too.
Also, NONE of this matters. Cause Edward took the throne by conquest.
True Royal family is beautiful and filled with love and humility. Long live King Michael !
That's why I felt it was kind of cruel to disturb them with that fairy tale.
He died in 2012.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍I totally agree with your comment
@@xrayban2 not fairly tale it’s the truth
Long Live King Micheal the First!
This is what life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness really looks like.
This is an awesome video.
Would love it if you did the same to trace who should legitimately be called the True Prince of Wales. When Llywelin was ambushed and beheaded in 1282 his wife Elinor and baby daughter Gwenllïan were taken and incascerated in a Nunery at Sempringham in Lincolnshire and were imprisoned there until their deaths. This ensured no legitimate heir to the title of Prince or Princess of Wales. Would love to know, based on similar research who is alive today and could be proved to be that legitimate heir. 🏴🏴 BTW we are still not allowed to bring their remains home to Aberffraw on Anglesey, the location of their historical Royal seat.
The whole Dutch house of Orange is illegitimate!!
Wilhelmina could't get children.
Juliana was adopted.
Her first born was from her father...!
They kept her away, somewhere in Holland.
Beatrix was the 2nd child.
She and the rest ( our so called king and princesses) are all bastards, because Juliana was adopted, so no one has the blood nor genes from the first Dutch king, hundred years ago.
From my quick research the prince's of whales eventually run out of sons with their daughters marrying into the British Royal family. So this guys the prince's or if you take Edward to be legitimate which most schollers do at this point then it's king Charles.
@@LadyCheshire95 Wales.
You can just look and listen to this man and you know. He's a true King.
Indeed, I do think than evry one is Happy were he Is the Queen on the Trone for the nex 300 years, Charles wating, and William losing that few hairs than he have left, and this guy's famaly in Australia. Despait evry thing, this don't make the last 500 years of British history invalid and make the great actions of sovrans like Elizabeth I, Victoria I, Eduard VII, George V, George VI and Elizabeth II invalid as well, the guided the nation in pece and in war in a ever chaneging world. They maby weren't king in their boold but their actions are definatly the actions of a king/Queen. And I'm sure than most of US common People woud not be able to do the same
Completely agree. He wants a republic rather than a monarchy... Salute you sir.. what Happy real people they are... Stay blessed..
No Jesus is the true King
Well done Baldrick 😂. Very well presented and most interesting.
Please claim your title now, especially after Queen Elizabeth's passing. We need you & your family's influence now more than ever!!!
forreal, the fact that King Charles is not legitimate makes it so much worse
stop talking libellous silly nonsense@@veronicahaney6005
Fascinating and intriguing revelation. Michael has a very noble demeanor and that certain confidence that comes with the royal legacy he was born into.
Fascinating! Michael died in 2012 so according to this documentary the current monarch would be King Simon I.
BritikoBeats oh what a pitty!
@Valerie O'Brien Judging from recent history, I would say the present Royal family's behaviour isn't exactly superior either.
You can look for the descendants of Boudicca's father
@Valerie O'Brien I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ABOUT LEGITIMACY AND THE hOLY bLOOD AND THE rOYAL gRAIL BLAH BLAH. sorry unintended capitals.
@Valerie O'Brien you d know that does "habits" and "attitudes" that you see from the said current "royals" are just stuff that was trained for them right? they were taught to not act like human even they are absolutely 100percent human. they are taught to supress it.
Keep the kingdom but the man's family deserves retribution and some recognition.
Hi Tony a really enjoyable story. Any chance you could do a series on weather Charles and camilla could be related as one of Charles ancestors alleged had an affair with one of camillas ancestors.
I really enjoyed this documentary! Thanks! I believe Michael has had a better and richer life than Britain's royals
That's correct. His children and grandchildren all talk to him, and are part of his life. Not something King Charles can boast about at all.
Couldn’t agree more.
...this is only based on what happened FROM the point they started to look into the line of the monarchy... go further back and you'd have a different monarchy again.
Raster Boy99 exactly! So, everything that happened, happened for a reason so I’d just call the royal family we know - the royal family !!
I think that's his point . just saying..
true, and the right to rule of the current royals have already been established. i mean i dont know how things goes but things happens for a reason so we cannot discredit their right to rule nowadays.
It is not important who is supposed to sit in the throne but who does. Power is not given - its taken. I will give you a good example , my country (Bulgaria) had a pig farmer as Tzar for 1 year , just because he managed to get the throne threw rebellion while the Tzar was at war. If you look at the English Monarchy its the same. For example Queen Mary (Henry 8th daughter) should of never been queen because her brother Edward 4th (king at the time) took away her and Elizabeth's titles and made them illegitimate. He left the crown to Lady Jane Gray. She was queen for few months until Mary took the throne via Rebellion. In fact the Tudors took the crown via Rebellion during the war of the Roses.
@@mowtow90 ...hmmm yes. This pretty much confirms the pointlessness of the Monrachy.
très belle conclusion. bravo :)
Some Hastings went to California and the name of neighborhood there, still so well respected. Hastings Ranch is a magical little development near the foothills on the east side of Pasadena. I kind of always wanted to live there when I was small. Christmastime was the best and a favorite place to drive to for getting into the holiday spirit. Same goes for Huntington drive in San Marino, next door where the Huntington Library is nearby. It's awesome!
I used to go to the Huntington library with my Aunts to see my ancestor Lady Beauchamp painting. My mom's paternal Collins DNA goes to King Louis 16th married Knights Templars Beauchamps. My father's DNA goes to King O'Neil of Tara, Ireland. Robert Stewart de Brus hapolog group R-L21. I also have Hastings ancestry. I have it all.
@@fairchild1737 wow, that is awesome, and more so, that you're aware if it all !
@@planetclaire820boulder8 thank you! It hurts when someone doesn't believe me which is most of the time. What is your mother and fathers last names? My aunt lived in Pasadena. We would go to the Christmas parade. I remember the floating pig. We would go to Camp High Hill alot. School and private Christmas party and summer fun. I had a big family. 12 Aunts and uncles. Most everyone gone now. 😪
"All the kings started died like flies." Is so similar to "Now, the kings are dying like flies." By Tyrion Lannister
No coincidence. GRRM was heavily influenced by the History of the Middle Ages & events that transpired as well as Literature about the era.
Even so, still wouldn’t be correct because Henry VII did not claim his throne by lineage but instead through right of conquest
Agree.
And via lineage from his mother? Margaret Beaufort was a direct descendant of John of Gaunt
@@jackfitch8134 not a strong nor arguable legitimate line. His biggest claim is his marriage to Elizabeth of York
From Edward all Kings and Queens have no right to the throne and no illegitimate can claim the throne through right of conquest . Micheal Halletts family blood line proceeds Edward the so he is was the rightful heir . He had no interest in the throne and neither did his sons he died in 2012. We have known about him for years but it was all hushed up.
@@ruthjackson4342 Right of conquest by it's very definition is right of ownership through force of arms - legitimacy or even having any relation to the previous royal bloodline is of absolutely no relation to this (whoever is capable of hosting an army, invading and conquering becomes king). Henry VII made it very clear that he was not co-ruling with his wife Elizabeth of York who was viewed by some factions as rightful heir to the throne, but instead he chose to marry her symbolically as a sign of peace. His claim to throne comes not through his bloodline, nor his wife's but instead in seizing government.
The thing to remember is that Henry IV also survived The War of the Roses. Kingship has as much to do with fight as right.
Thanks a lot, tony. Your doccos are always fascinating & this is no exception.
I could beat you in a fight I reckon
Just wonderful documentary and research.