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I dont know what I am talking about but the angle of the body when reclined doesn't look natural, healthy or 3ven comfortable. It has put me off buying one for years. Its the way it bends you neck and pushes the head forward.
if your upper body is tall, the headrest will jam on your shoulder which is super uncomfortable. I am 6 foot tall, these chairs are absolutely no go unless they have ways to increase the height of the headrest. Other than that, the chair does felt very "solid" and pretty comfortable.
It is not enough, also if you tall, you elbows will not touch elbow rests. This chair is a disaster. I'll have to modify it myself as noone buying it second hand. I bought it about 700eur with a small deffect.
I think in some respects the Freedom + headrest is one of the most, if not the most comfortable office chair. The padding & shaping of seat, back and headrest are incredibly comfortable for me, armrests are comfortable too though I prefer they were closer to my body. I think the movement of the chair is very nice too and works as beautifully sitting in the chair as it looks when you watch somebody else recline. The issue I found is how the movement of the chair and the geometry of the main supporting surfaces don't exactly synchronize perfectly. It is not exactly the problem the BTOD guys describe, in my experience/perspective. But there is something to it, where, if you adjust seat pan, backrest, headrest to fit like a glove when upright, then when you recline, the geometry and relative placement of these surfaces in supporting my body changes and it is no longer perfect. Adjusting for a better fit in recline mode leaves less than perfection in the fit going back to upright position. Maybe it's just my personal proportions or maybe I'm imagining things... I am jealous of anybody who decides to go for this chair and experience what a great, luxurious ergonomic-to-lounge solution it is.
This is why it took so long for me to review this chair…I was positive I was going to hate this chair like I did all those years ago (Pre RUclips review days!) when I bought it on a whim looking for a new chair. But when I found out about the hidden adjustment for the self adjust recline…GAME. CHANGER. also, the headrest makes it a lot more complete of a chair!! The one I bought used a while back, the self adjust tilt was so loose. Felt like my back was breaking. 2 weeks of using it this time for 8+ hours a day and I loved it!! No issues at all!!
I'm sitting in my second Freedom chair and I love it. I got the gel upgrade in the seat of the first one I owned and, while it was comfortable, it had durability issues. It developed creases and the gel began to leak out.
I'd love to see a video for heavy duty chairs - chairs that support 350lbs or more. Many have horrible design flaws that you don't realize until it's too late to return them, e.g. back mount fails, cheap gas cylinder, poorly constructed base and wheel inserts, tilt risk when a larger person leans back, etc.. As a 375lbs man of 6'3" I've had no luck with office chairs and can't find one that holds up or doesn't want to kill me - including the gesture which feels like it's trying to rip out my spine through my butt if I sit in it for more than 10 minutes.
Thanks for the detailed review. I had a Freedom headrest for the last 7 years, sold it recently and bought a Gesture headrest. I found the seat cushion foam (non gel type) was quite shallow and I bottomed out on the hard plastic after a few years of use and ended up using lots of cushions, last one being an amazon gel seat cushion. I'm 6'1" and 90kg's. The backrest and headrest could also do with a bit more cushioning IMO. The chair got a bit squeaky and rattled near the end, but held up well apart from that. I found out about the allen key tip on a forum..daft as you say it makes a huge difference to the chair. One thing that was amazing and I miss with the gesture is how the arms move when you recline-the Gestures are fixed.
Thanks for reviewing this chair, almost impossible to find anything about it and even worse finding one to try out. I really want to buy one but don't want to without trying it first and they almost never come up for sale on Marketplace.
do you know what the differences are between this model and the 25th anniversary model? i do see that theyve used more metal and the back plastic seems to be covered by fabric in the 25th but im not sure if thats all there is to it.
Love your reviews just subscribed. There is a company and 2 chairs from them that has me perplexed because so little reviews and yet they seem like they would be top tier in the mid price category. Can you please add to your reviews a Singapore company called Hinomi and review and compare their two models called the H1 pro V2 and the newest X1?
Thanks for the sub! I want to check out Hinomi, but haven't had the chance. They reached out and I asked if I could review their chairs, but they're only interested in sponsoring a video and won't send chairs over otherwise (in other words, only letting me do an overview, not a review)...which has me very suspicious!
I'm down to deciding between the Haworth Fern and the Humanscale Freedom Headrest. I'm going to try both in a showroom, but which would you go for, and is there anything I should watch out for in either?
I think the fern is an overall better chair. More customization to it. The humanscale is also an excellent chair, but better for people who want to set and forget their chair settings
Humanscale is foolish to make their chairs' tilt tension adjustment "secret" and inaccessible. Their chairs auto-adjust tilt tension based on the user's weight, but tilt tension is a function of weight AND HEIGHT! Take two users, both 200 lbs, but one is 5'1" and the other is 6'3", sitting on the exact same office chair. The 6'3" user will recline more easily than the 5'1" user because the former's weight is applied higher up the backrest, further away from the axis of rotation (the mechanism under the seat).
My work sent me this chair to use at home and I sent it back to them. Buyer beware; I found the lumbar of this chair to be very aggressive and the arm rests, while great that they stay in good form when reclining, were way too far apart for me. I am 5'9" for the record.
I have this chair and it has always been a little stiff on the lean back. This is fine for me at like 14 stone but if my partner sits on it, at more like 9 stone, then when she leans back it doesn't even register. I've oft jokingly referred to it as a sexist chair as such. Apparently adjustable all along!
What would you recommend on a old/refurbished/new chair at most $7-800? I have the freedom without headrest and have considered a used freedom with headrest for around $400. That problem is that I have some lower back pain with the chair, although I am not sure if it’s because of my settings or the cushion being stiff (this one was refurbished by Madison Seating). I’m 5’7” about 200 lbs and work from home but also need something for gaming. I would definitely prefer something with good lumbar. I would also love to get it with a headrest. Have been considering a Haworth Fern, HM embody (used through Madison seating), HM Vantum, or Freedom with headrest (also used from a local seller that sells liquidated office products). The freedom is coming out the cheapest at around $430 with the other 3 being 700+
Hi, Great video!. What is your opinion on the noise when recling the chair? Is it excessive as some reviewers state? I think your video is muted during the reclining. I think loud clicking noises might be a deal breaker for me. Thanks!
Not being a shot king I think the armrests are a show stopper for me. But seems like a solid option for our short Kings and Queens. Do you have any sub 5' kiddos that could try the chair out? Seems like it might be a great working/studying/gaming chair with it's auto adjusting features.
I have one. They're lovely when new. The longevity sucks. Sure, it's the most comfortable uncomfortable seat there is. You can feel it being right for your spine. Mine is worn out in 3 years. The pull-handle just broke off one day, the frame creaks and bangs and makes noise like it's going to break. The swivel is failing. The gel pads are falling off the armrests and the headrest moves out of position annoyingly. Relegated to guest chair, I now have something else.
I'd be really careful with the hex screw. Don't overturn it inwards. I wanted to tighten the recline so I kept screwing it. After repeated sitting and testing I checked the screw again and it is now stuck at an angle and I cannot get to it... And no, I didn't turn it with a large amount of force.
@@Ahnestly Secondhand with new reupholstery. I could leave them an email, but other than some advice I doubt they'd do anything. Especially if as you say it isn't even documented. We shouldn't be messing with it? Odd when they could have just added a knob. I am completely guessing but I feel there's nothing stopping the screw from going too deep. I could disassemble it all, but I've no idea if it would be any more accessible.
I love this comment so much LOL. You need to do it when the other students are there…guaranteed they’ll ask you what you’re doing and then other students will ask you to adjust theirs/borrow the wrench. You’re gonna be MVP
@@formulaic78 It can be expensive, but there are many grants, scholarships, and exemptions that counter that cost. With some of these grants and scholarships you can basically pay yourself with unused funds. Do well in class, research available funds that are out there and tuition is cost free.
@@tylergustman9494 That's good to hear. I went to college in the UK 25 years ago. Even though tuition fees were just 1,000GBP annually my family and I thought it was expensive cos you needed to pay dorm fees then later rent, for books and of course living costs. Then when my younger brother went tuition fees went up to 3,000GBP and my younger sister even later got hit with 9,000GBP. Funnily enough, how much we spent on college is completely uncorrelated to our earnings:)
@@Ahnestly no I did not know about that secret adjustment, my issue was I didn’t find it very comfortable. The padding was great it was like a gel like feeling but I really hated the recline and how the headrest adjusted. I was just curious just you. I found one on Offerup for $30 and couldn’t resist the temptation to try. I ended up selling for $300 but my fern I own I ended up putting an atlas headrest on it. It’s great
Just recently I was looking for a good review about this chair but did not find any until I received a notification from RUclips that you did it. I've been watching a few videos of yours and you have done all of it fantastically. You deserve millions subscribers. All the best! A question to you. Which one do you prefer? Is it your favourite chair Logitech Embody or the Humanscale Freedom? For game and work. Maybe a comparison video side by side? Thank you.
Hey! I'm still an Embody fan overall (esp paired with the Atlas Headrest), BUT I think the Humanscale Freedom could give it a run for its money if you're looking for a softer/huggier backrest!
I bought mine refurbished around $100 The foam are not in the best condition but the frame itself was perfect I think Never thought about how much it really was at the time Anw still using it after almost 5 years while writing this comment and still my fav among other "budget" chair that I've tried even tho the armrest are broken now (can't stay up anymore)
If this was pre-Saul Goodman before he was on the run and in jail, you’d buy yourself a 10k purple chair to match with your tuxedos! ;) God I loved better call Saul!!!
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I dont know what I am talking about but the angle of the body when reclined doesn't look natural, healthy or 3ven comfortable. It has put me off buying one for years.
Its the way it bends you neck and pushes the head forward.
if your upper body is tall, the headrest will jam on your shoulder which is super uncomfortable. I am 6 foot tall, these chairs are absolutely no go unless they have ways to increase the height of the headrest. Other than that, the chair does felt very "solid" and pretty comfortable.
but the headrest high can be adjusted, no?
It is not enough, also if you tall, you elbows will not touch elbow rests. This chair is a disaster. I'll have to modify it myself as noone buying it second hand. I bought it about 700eur with a small deffect.
@@СергейТарасов-и9н thank you for sharing it!
I think in some respects the Freedom + headrest is one of the most, if not the most comfortable office chair. The padding & shaping of seat, back and headrest are incredibly comfortable for me, armrests are comfortable too though I prefer they were closer to my body. I think the movement of the chair is very nice too and works as beautifully sitting in the chair as it looks when you watch somebody else recline. The issue I found is how the movement of the chair and the geometry of the main supporting surfaces don't exactly synchronize perfectly. It is not exactly the problem the BTOD guys describe, in my experience/perspective. But there is something to it, where, if you adjust seat pan, backrest, headrest to fit like a glove when upright, then when you recline, the geometry and relative placement of these surfaces in supporting my body changes and it is no longer perfect. Adjusting for a better fit in recline mode leaves less than perfection in the fit going back to upright position. Maybe it's just my personal proportions or maybe I'm imagining things... I am jealous of anybody who decides to go for this chair and experience what a great, luxurious ergonomic-to-lounge solution it is.
For me the hidden adjustment was what you've shown with the backrest, didn't know you could push it further down.
Really helpful review. Thanks!
I remember you saying that you hated the Freedom. Good to see that you changed your mind lol. The Freedom is my favorite.
this was the chair that wrecked his back...
This is why it took so long for me to review this chair…I was positive I was going to hate this chair like I did all those years ago (Pre RUclips review days!) when I bought it on a whim looking for a new chair. But when I found out about the hidden adjustment for the self adjust recline…GAME. CHANGER. also, the headrest makes it a lot more complete of a chair!!
The one I bought used a while back, the self adjust tilt was so loose. Felt like my back was breaking. 2 weeks of using it this time for 8+ hours a day and I loved it!! No issues at all!!
I'm sitting in my second Freedom chair and I love it. I got the gel upgrade in the seat of the first one I owned and, while it was comfortable, it had durability issues. It developed creases and the gel began to leak out.
that sounds insanely absurd
I'd love to see a video for heavy duty chairs - chairs that support 350lbs or more. Many have horrible design flaws that you don't realize until it's too late to return them, e.g. back mount fails, cheap gas cylinder, poorly constructed base and wheel inserts, tilt risk when a larger person leans back, etc.. As a 375lbs man of 6'3" I've had no luck with office chairs and can't find one that holds up or doesn't want to kill me - including the gesture which feels like it's trying to rip out my spine through my butt if I sit in it for more than 10 minutes.
Thanks for the detailed review. I had a Freedom headrest for the last 7 years, sold it recently and bought a Gesture headrest. I found the seat cushion foam (non gel type) was quite shallow and I bottomed out on the hard plastic after a few years of use and ended up using lots of cushions, last one being an amazon gel seat cushion. I'm 6'1" and 90kg's. The backrest and headrest could also do with a bit more cushioning IMO. The chair got a bit squeaky and rattled near the end, but held up well apart from that. I found out about the allen key tip on a forum..daft as you say it makes a huge difference to the chair. One thing that was amazing and I miss with the gesture is how the arms move when you recline-the Gestures are fixed.
Thanks for reviewing this chair, almost impossible to find anything about it and even worse finding one to try out. I really want to buy one but don't want to without trying it first and they almost never come up for sale on Marketplace.
Wow, I love this chair! Looks like a good fit for me. I'll add it to the seriously consider list. Thanks!
Sent you an email, hope you have time to respond :)
Thanks for making this video! You're totally correct about the hidden adjustment and I was looking for something just like this!
My only question is what TEXTILE should we get? There are like dozens of textile and color combos on the website. Zero explanation
Did he say booty juices?
do you know what the differences are between this model and the 25th anniversary model? i do see that theyve used more metal and the back plastic seems to be covered by fabric in the 25th but im not sure if thats all there is to it.
Love your reviews just subscribed. There is a company and 2 chairs from them that has me perplexed because so little reviews and yet they seem like they would be top tier in the mid price category. Can you please add to your reviews a Singapore company called Hinomi and review and compare their two models called the H1 pro V2 and the newest X1?
Thanks for the sub! I want to check out Hinomi, but haven't had the chance. They reached out and I asked if I could review their chairs, but they're only interested in sponsoring a video and won't send chairs over otherwise (in other words, only letting me do an overview, not a review)...which has me very suspicious!
I'm down to deciding between the Haworth Fern and the Humanscale Freedom Headrest. I'm going to try both in a showroom, but which would you go for, and is there anything I should watch out for in either?
I think the fern is an overall better chair. More customization to it. The humanscale is also an excellent chair, but better for people who want to set and forget their chair settings
what would be a good budget alternative for the humanscale i rececently broke my office chair
will you cover the new Steelcase Karman with high back?
What is the best chair for around $300 for someone with lower back pain?
Colamy Atlas. But blind chair recommendations are pretty much useless.
Humanscale is foolish to make their chairs' tilt tension adjustment "secret" and inaccessible. Their chairs auto-adjust tilt tension based on the user's weight, but tilt tension is a function of weight AND HEIGHT! Take two users, both 200 lbs, but one is 5'1" and the other is 6'3", sitting on the exact same office chair. The 6'3" user will recline more easily than the 5'1" user because the former's weight is applied higher up the backrest, further away from the axis of rotation (the mechanism under the seat).
My work sent me this chair to use at home and I sent it back to them. Buyer beware; I found the lumbar of this chair to be very aggressive and the arm rests, while great that they stay in good form when reclining, were way too far apart for me.
I am 5'9" for the record.
I have this chair and it has always been a little stiff on the lean back. This is fine for me at like 14 stone but if my partner sits on it, at more like 9 stone, then when she leans back it doesn't even register. I've oft jokingly referred to it as a sexist chair as such. Apparently adjustable all along!
What would you recommend on a old/refurbished/new chair at most $7-800? I have the freedom without headrest and have considered a used freedom with headrest for around $400. That problem is that I have some lower back pain with the chair, although I am not sure if it’s because of my settings or the cushion being stiff (this one was refurbished by Madison Seating). I’m 5’7” about 200 lbs and work from home but also need something for gaming. I would definitely prefer something with good lumbar. I would also love to get it with a headrest. Have been considering a Haworth Fern, HM embody (used through Madison seating), HM Vantum, or Freedom with headrest (also used from a local seller that sells liquidated office products). The freedom is coming out the cheapest at around $430 with the other 3 being 700+
Absolutely, my favorite chair! It's the best reclining chair ever. I like it better than my Aeron.
Just got this chair form a government auction for $10 and it's in a really good condition. The only thing I dislike is how low the arm rest is
Hi, Great video!. What is your opinion on the noise when recling the chair? Is it excessive as some reviewers state? I think your video is muted during the reclining. I think loud clicking noises might be a deal breaker for me. Thanks!
Had this chair for 4 years. Didn't know about the secret adjustment. LUL. Thank you!
Not being a shot king I think the armrests are a show stopper for me. But seems like a solid option for our short Kings and Queens. Do you have any sub 5' kiddos that could try the chair out? Seems like it might be a great working/studying/gaming chair with it's auto adjusting features.
This sounds like a great chair for short people!
Can you tell me where this adjustment screw is on the older models? Mine doesn't have it in the same place as yours.
The cylinder is basically touching the floor. They need bigger wheels.
definitely overpriced
Does it have a serial number so Humancase can trace how old it is for the warranty?
I have one. They're lovely when new. The longevity sucks. Sure, it's the most comfortable uncomfortable seat there is. You can feel it being right for your spine. Mine is worn out in 3 years. The pull-handle just broke off one day, the frame creaks and bangs and makes noise like it's going to break. The swivel is failing. The gel pads are falling off the armrests and the headrest moves out of position annoyingly. Relegated to guest chair, I now have something else.
What else?
oh seeing someone taller than me (5'9 ish) sit cross legged on this thing absolutely sold me
looking for you review the Newtral Magic H Chair thanks
I'd be really careful with the hex screw. Don't overturn it inwards. I wanted to tighten the recline so I kept screwing it. After repeated sitting and testing I checked the screw again and it is now stuck at an angle and I cannot get to it... And no, I didn't turn it with a large amount of force.
Oh damn. Maybe call their customer support to see if anything can be done?
@@Ahnestly Secondhand with new reupholstery. I could leave them an email, but other than some advice I doubt they'd do anything. Especially if as you say it isn't even documented. We shouldn't be messing with it? Odd when they could have just added a knob.
I am completely guessing but I feel there's nothing stopping the screw from going too deep. I could disassemble it all, but I've no idea if it would be any more accessible.
Damn my Seat Depth lever doesnt work, is there any solutions or some loosening screws I have to do?
It might have broken...I think the mechanism is made from plastic. It can def be fixed/replaced!
I'm pretty sure mine had a metal base. Maybe they 'updated' it to cheap out? If so that's very disappointing. I like the chair a lot.
you can configure it with a metal base its a upgrade and costs more than the plastic or powdered aluminium base
The college I attend has these in their classrooms, better believe I’m bringing a hex wrench to class.
I love this comment so much LOL. You need to do it when the other students are there…guaranteed they’ll ask you what you’re doing and then other students will ask you to adjust theirs/borrow the wrench. You’re gonna be MVP
That must be why college is so expensive in the US!
@@formulaic78 It can be expensive, but there are many grants, scholarships, and exemptions that counter that cost. With some of these grants and scholarships you can basically pay yourself with unused funds. Do well in class, research available funds that are out there and tuition is cost free.
@@tylergustman9494 That's good to hear. I went to college in the UK 25 years ago. Even though tuition fees were just 1,000GBP annually my family and I thought it was expensive cos you needed to pay dorm fees then later rent, for books and of course living costs. Then when my younger brother went tuition fees went up to 3,000GBP and my younger sister even later got hit with 9,000GBP. Funnily enough, how much we spent on college is completely uncorrelated to our earnings:)
About to get the embody now you came up with this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lolll let me know what you decide on (both on sale too!!). Please consider using my links when you pick up!!
@@Ahnestly gonna go test this one in the store very quick was never on my radar.
Tried the freedom the armrests don't go in enough for me (I'm 5'2) and too many moving pieces not for me 🫠
it would be nice to see a review on the new razer iskur v2
$1800? Cmon..
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"secret adjustments"... 😂
Plz review Hinomi X1🙏
Do a tier list.
I do not like this chair, I tried for 1 week and sold
I get it! Did you know about the secret adjustment??
@@Ahnestly no I did not know about that secret adjustment, my issue was I didn’t find it very comfortable. The padding was great it was like a gel like feeling but I really hated the recline and how the headrest adjusted. I was just curious just you. I found one on Offerup for $30 and couldn’t resist the temptation to try. I ended up selling for $300 but my fern I own I ended up putting an atlas headrest on it. It’s great
Just recently I was looking for a good review about this chair but did not find any until I received a notification from RUclips that you did it. I've been watching a few videos of yours and you have done all of it fantastically. You deserve millions subscribers. All the best! A question to you. Which one do you prefer? Is it your favourite chair Logitech Embody or the Humanscale Freedom? For game and work. Maybe a comparison video side by side? Thank you.
Hey! I'm still an Embody fan overall (esp paired with the Atlas Headrest), BUT I think the Humanscale Freedom could give it a run for its money if you're looking for a softer/huggier backrest!
I have one
Very deep saddle
Is the upgraded gel seat compared to the regular foam a big deal?
Awesome review!
I bought mine refurbished around $100
The foam are not in the best condition but the frame itself was perfect I think
Never thought about how much it really was at the time
Anw still using it after almost 5 years while writing this comment
and still my fav among other "budget" chair that I've tried
even tho the armrest are broken now (can't stay up anymore)
The chair is almost perfect. Of the armrest had more adjustability itd be perfect.
I have a friend thats 6'9... he liked the amia but loved this chair.
FIRST!
I won't spend more then $200 on a chair. They're also easy to clean.
If this was pre-Saul Goodman before he was on the run and in jail, you’d buy yourself a 10k purple chair to match with your tuxedos! ;)
God I loved better call Saul!!!
Dude you're not suppose to sit for more than 1 hr let alone 8 hrs, no matter how ergonomic the chair is. Put that height adjustable desk to use man.
another awesome review!