David Miscavige's First And Only Media Interview | Ted Koppel
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- David Miscavige's first and only media interview was with Ted Koppel on Nightline, live on Feb 14, 1992.
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Outline
0:00 - Introduction
1:01 - Time magazine: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power
1:52 - Bad press
2:31 - Interview Intro Package #1
4:07 - The Int Base & Golden Era Productions
4:49 - Heber Jenztsch: President of the Church of Scientology
5:36 - Ken Rose
5:47 - The OCA Personality test
6:34 - Courses, auditing & the E-meter
7:04 - Critics of Scientology
7:16 - Richard Behar
7:33 - Dr. John Finucane
8:56 - Ken Rose
9:27 - Roxanne Friend
10:37 - Denials and accusations
11:02 - David Miscavige interview teaser
11:13 - Interview Intro Package #2
11:24 - L. Ron Hubbard on camera (1966)
11:42 - L. Ron Hubbard's background
12:24 - Dianetics and psychiatry
13:31 - Hubbard visits the Van Allen radiation belt
14:08 - Hubbard tells Scientology's confidential OT 3 story about Xenu
14:52 - Roxanne Friend: Auditing Body Thetans on the OT Levels
15:07 - Scientology's confidential OT Levels
15:46 - L. Ron Hubbard dies
16:16 - Richard Behar gets "fair gamed" by Scientology
16:45 - Scientology's "Fair Game" policy
17:07 - Vicki Aznaran - former Chairman of the Board RTC
17:53 - More denials and accusations
18:26 - David Miscavige interview begins
19:01 - Miscavige responds to the intro packages
19:44 - Cult Awareness Network
20:14 - Miscavige & Scientology are the ones getting harassed
23:35 - Why would I want to be a Scientologist?
26:53 - Scientology is interested in folks who have money
27:41 - Scientology is the largest social reform group in the entire world
28:52 - Scientology & psychiatry
31:12 - Undermining L. Ron Hubbard's credibility
33:42 - Miscavige lies about not knowing the context of Hubbard's Van Allen belt quote
35:06 - More about Scientology's war on psychiatry
35:44 - Siberia USA
37:05 - Psychiatry retaliates against Scientology
38:22 - Miscavige accuses FDA of murdering a Scientologist
39:55 - Why Miscavige accepted the interview with Ted Koppel
41:13 - Scientology's response to the TIME magazine article
42:24 - Miscavige accuses Richard Behar kidnapping conspiracy
45:17 - Miscavige accuses Richard Behar of working for Eli Lilly
47:21 - How far can the poor progress in Scientology?
49:36 - What does Scientology do that's different?
52:31 - How is the E-meter used in auditing?
55:49 - Could Miscavige audit Ted Koppel on-air?
56:20 - Using clay while studying
57:40 - Why is Scientology so expensive?
58:29 - Vicki Aznaran
1:00:49 - Roxanne Friend
1:01:25 - Miscavige lies about only using Scientologist doctors
1:02:16 - The Sea Organization & attacks on Scientology
1:04:43 - Miscavige admits to being personally involved with internal investigations
1:05:21 - Miscavige accuses critics of being coordinated
1:06:32 - Miscavige claims Dianetics cured his asthma
1:07:42 - Narconon attacked by psychiatry
1:09:37 - Earth's vested interests are threatened by Scientology
1:09:57 - What is a Clear?
1:11:29 - Why is Scientology a religion?
For a man so opposed to Psychiatry, he's the perfect candidate for an evaluation.
For people opposed to psychiatry they are awfully interested in controlling people's minds.
Narcissistic people rarely seek out therapy. And even if they do, they are rarely self-aware enough to actually change.
Hilarious
@@teeelleceeso true
He tried to be a psychiatrist and the officials told him he didn't qualify, so like the child he perpetually was he made his OWN version of mental issue health and vilified the (actually effective) psychiatry.
The worst thing that could have happened to Scientology was the Internet.
Frfr
Yep. The ability to communicate widely. The irony 😂
It’s a great information tool for the victims though.
@@KH-3414 It’s a good information tool, but it still will not help them find his wife or prosecute the establishment for all of their crimes against people.
@@KH-3414 ughh….because people were said to have been held captive and unable to leave. That’s kidnapping. I don’t see anyone prosecuted for this. Or held accountable by any other means or measures.
I’m amazed how similar David’s mannerisms is to Tom Cruise’s. It’s like Tom admired this man so much and spent so much time with him, he adopted his whole shtick.
I was thinking the same thing while watching this...
They actually believe their doppelgangers of each other, there's a bizarre practice in scientology where members have "twins".
Bingo. This is exactly what I felt - Tom Cruise in a other body and a different face, basically.
It is called twinning and it is directly from mk ultra trauma based mind control with also includes Satanic Ritual Abuse! See Jessie Czebotar @@aronrosas4191
I thought the exact same thing before coming across this comment, so I had to weigh in.. it's actually scary. And I actually like Tom cruise, but I'm also aware that he's a nutball.. brainwashed by the CULT of scientology
“I’m perfectly happy. What can Scientology do for me?”
“It isn’t for you then.”
Seems legit.
Hands down the best "gotcha" moment in the interview.
Just like any other cult, and above anything else, Scientology prays on people's weaknesses.
But 48:02 "This is the right religion for anybody." Lol
@@evanstein3011😂😂😂😂
In the case of a wealthy celebrity ted Koppel, the real question becomes: Don't ask what scientology can do for Koppel, ask what Koppel can do for scientology.
😂
Man, the good ol' days when news included investigative journalism.
My thought exactly
How true that 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you for watching and commenting
I know - that was truly fascinating. And the interviewer was brilliant… I wish I knew his reputation or had seen him before!!!
@@wordsleuth992 Ted Koppel is a legendary journalist...in the 80's and 90's perhaps one of the worlds best known news anchors (ABC - Dateline) 42 years, many awards for his work, in a day when journalistic integrity was everything. They don't make them like that anymore.
You can easily see why David Miscavige has only done one interview. To a Scientologist he probably sounds like a strong defender of their faith, to the average viewer he sounds like an incoherent, accusatory, paranoid, question dodging politician. Thank you Aaron for uploading the entire interview for our entertainment, Miscavige’s accusations are just wild!
HECIS DISGUSTING, HE'S NOTHING BUT A CON, A SNAKE OIL SALESMEN
HE IS SO FULL OF IT, SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER
CON PSYCHOPATH TRUMP!!
...and arrogant, rude, and obnoxious.
@@wlm4981
YES! Sounded EXACTLY like Tom Cruise! UNBELIEVABLE!
Even the body language! Wow!
@@ronilittle7028 Chicken and egg...or does TC sound like him?
@@terricarroll9679 I was thinking narcissistic which includes those traits
Ted Koppel gave a masterclass on the correct way to interview someone.
I don't know anything about a Masterclass but he did a good job. Very calm and relaxed while Miscavige was intense and anxious.
@@thomasluby1754I didn’t even know that, Miscavige acts like his BFF Tom Cruise in that 2000s interview he did with Matt Lauer where he hates on Brooke Shields
He did a horrible job. He's wouldn't stop interrupting and let David finish a sentence.
Remember when journalists used to be skeptical of con artists rather than propping them up? We need more people like Ted Koppel in this world!
I don’t pay attention to the media. What con artists do they prop up?
@@kiwe3546 Joe Bidan
You're referring to tucker Carlson?; They are literally entertainment, and have used that claim to defend themselves against defamation in court, brainiac.
@@Brainbaskit Not "literally" dum, dum. One of the definitions of literally is NOT "Use for emphasis". So annoying and uneducated.
Ted is a damn biased hack for the democrats.
David Miscavige: "Scientology cured my asthma!"
Also David Miscavige: Wheezing throughout the entire interview.
I noticed that early on with him also.
Noticed that as well.
I know right 👉 😁
no wheezing heard by me - get your ears checked !
@@shantishanti1949 On your authority alone? LOL Okay, boomer.
“Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
He doesn't have any wealth---or political power, ability to sentence people to his own private prison, or the ability to physically beat anyone with his own hands as punishment---that people haven't willingly given him.
Jan 6
men can get pregnant
Lil man syndrom.....this is what David Miscavidge is suffering from. I can also see he becomes angry easily. Whydoesnt &e ask David Miscavidge where he gets his $ from? How does he live. He says over and over again I don't take any $ check with the IRS. Well then why is he a millionare?
Love the quote.
the eyes don't lie!! His eyes are filled with Contempt and Rage!!
It’s so crazy how David’s wife has been missing for 17 years and no one cares👀 David also hiding out. I don’t know how Scientology is still active.
They are active because of $. Paying the law off. Selling absolute bullshit to people at a high price so that they can. $ really is the root of all evil.
they’re just insanely secretive and reclusive. people report shelley missing and LAPD investigates and says she isn’t missing, so unless scientology controls the entirety of the LAPD i think it’s more logical to assume they have their own insane reclusive church thing going on and she never leaves wherever she is.
She's not missing, she's been sighted and spoken to.
@@japonte173or high ranking officers are members??
@@japonte173LAPD said they spoke to her and she's fine. People need to let it go.
I’m not even sure how anyone could listen before coming to the obvious conclusion: David is nuts. It’s all in the eyes.
and even thee is a little strange.
Tom Cruise has the same eyes
Glad you noted the eyes. I just wrote a comment then resumed watching and took note of his eyes..was so struck by what is there I was about to make a 2nd comment but decided to read comments to see if anyone else sees it. Glad you did and hope others see it too cuz it is really profound. ? for you..nuts or evil? You can guess my opinion.
@@user-xe4bk8zs8y both!
I'm a secular retired therapist...when I listen to these conversations I can only conclude that the reason that Scientologists so fear therapy is because they believe that you will diagnose them, or they may have to consider the possibility that maybe they are a little crazy (that is the professional term ;) ) when, in fact, in my experience EVERYONE is a little crazy, including myself...:)
Can totally see why Miscavage no longer does interviews. He comes across as a complete nut job. I’m sure he hates that this interview is on RUclips for anyone to watch at anytime. Kind of makes me smile.
Miscavige did a pretty damn good job for a first time interview that was also on live tv. You're just jealous
At least he did not jump up and down on Ted's desk! 😂
To be honest I think he comes across very well
He’s the kind of man who sounds good to those who are already taken in, if not by Scientology then by other systems and beliefs that use these tactics. I feel for those people because they don’t understand how easily taken in they are.
He comes across as a bully and narcissist who is comfortable in the centre of his web.
@@Sanctified57 you come across as an insane brainwashed cultist for defending him
I can’t stop laughing imagining that Miscavige is standing the entire interview.
Don’t understand how this isn’t the top comment
Lol
This!🙌🤣
Ha ha ha 😊 That's a good one
I don’t get it
Amazing interview by a Ted Koppel. I believe Ted had the right personality for this task. Never allowed feelings or emotions dictate this interview. Classic example of being outsmarted.
I can really see why him and Tom Cruise get along so well. They’re like smug maniacal twins.
I can't stand Tom Cruise. That 💩 he said about Brooke Shields was reprehensible. What an 🍑
What did he say?
They are not smug. They are the opposite of smug. People like to call people smug as a way around calling them an asshole.
Boyfriend's
@@thenightporterhe was speaking facts
He's got more Tom Cruise mannerisms than Tom Cruise.
They both come out the same mould
Came here to say this! They look soo much alike
More like Tom Cruise has adopted David Miscavige mannerisms
Same haircut, same impoverished intellect.
I think they are lovers
For anyone curious, Miscavige learned that the show would be split up into two parts right before the interview was about to happen. Fearing that they would style their questions in the first part of the show to make him look bad in the second part, "Miscavige grabbed [Nightline's exec producer] by the shirt collar, pushed him against the wall, and screamed in his face, “YOU LIED! You’re trying to fuck me over! You handle this or we’re all walking out!”" They caved to his demands, showed him the pre-recorded segments, and aired them at the top of the show.
This is from a memoir by Mike Rinder, who escaped Scientology after working for decades in its top ranks. Really interesting read.
It's pretty obvious they were doing everything in their power to make him look bad. The media has always been that way. For decades they've now tried to make every right-wing commentator look also bad.
Rinder Rocks !!...
That just makes Miscavige sound like a badass.
@@kiwe3546Makes him sound like an immature toddler.
So he didn't take an of the many sly tricks the networks are known for? Sound like my kinda guy.
Ted: What can scientology can do for me? Miscavige: I will tell you, but first sign the contract for a billion years!
What saved me from Scientology when I was young??? I had and have zero follow through and never finish anything I start. Super grateful for this shortcoming now.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!😂
Missed opportunity to leave your comment unfinished
Hey twin
🤣 abilities some consider to be unnatural, but are actually useful
Love it man!! Keep going 100 percent ! Ooopppsss I mean 50 percent !
This is back when journalists still had balls! Back when the media wasn't scared to possibly " hurt feelings " using words. I remember watching this live when I was younger. Ted was a mfn G!
The way David kept trying to run the interview and Ted was like "yeah, nah kid" and steamrolled over him was hilarious.
@@mattdad8429Koppel was masterful, wasn't he. I saw this at the time.
The grift. Some people will believe anything.
You lost me at 'mfn G'
@@dortjuorfu478 Sheeeit, she HAD me at mfn G
If you think of a Miscavige like the CEO of a business, he really doesn’t sound too dissimilar from any other. The way he sells / defends his product.
It kind of reminds me of that guy who was a spokesman for the fast food industry in supersize me. Just constantly trying to skirt the truth and bend the facts. "If you're poor how do you progress in scientology?" "Well anyone who practices scientology isn't poor for very long, they're very successful"
Studies have shown that CEO is one of the professions with the highest numbers of psychopaths.
David just sounds like a really good defense lawyer, which is essentially what he is
he is quite literally on the cutting edge of the law beyond that of a lawyer who passed the bar, he blurs the line between cartoon bond villan criminal enterprise and formally registered tax entity and somehow continues to survive for decades
A lawyer and/or politician
It never ceases to amaze me how much Tom Cruise talks like Miscavige.
@Hannah Bride like clones of each other. Very creepy indeed.
think, this is the man, tom cruise, who worships him, salutes him and emasculates himself for over 30 years to miscavige! who calls miscavige, the leader of his "religion" his best friend (who in reality in laughing behind his back and using him), and who seemingly does not understand that a religious leader HAS no best friend because it's improper, immoral and unethical to treat any member above other members. And i'm pretty sure most "religious leaders" do not hang out doing all kinds of non religious activities with a member like attending car races, riding motorcycles together, and so on. And i'm pretty sure most "religions" don't have "handlers" to "handle' a member by giving them access to their professional and personal life...
@Hannah Bride Both of them are narcissist.
i imagine they read these comment together and are really flattered
Omg I was thinking that too. Thought maybe it was just me.
“Convince me why I should be a scientologist”
“Because you love yourself”
Straight out of cult leader 101
Always addressing the ego and hoping that it is unchecked.
Exactly
I can help you,and u will benefit, but I benefit more off u and the others that Hear the exact same message, regardless of the way the 'individual ' hears!!at the end of the fucking cycle/season/day,I will benefit off the stepping stones aka..PEOPLE..
notice that whoever speaks the religion, whoever has this power,accumulates more power,more money,now MORE POWER..
Answer:every single fucking 'religion ' conceived...dont ever come at me about bad and hell,cause while living, I have experienced hell,at my own fault,an with other folks on MY journey..and I still acknowledge that somewhere out there-SOMEONE HAS IT BETTER THAN YOU!!AAAANNNNNDDD
SOMONE HAS IT WORSE THAN YOU!!
ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS,IF U HATE UR LIFE,OR LOVE IT LOL..ALWAYS...SOME ARE BETTER OFF,SOME ARE WORSE OFF!! Find this balance, accept/respect YOUR own Thread!!threads are different, despite this same 'look'...that's us..threads...some feel weak enough to sacrifice family,money,love,children,ANYTHING to feel what??Important???EARTH IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT U WILL BE IMPORTANT (in ur head)COMPARED TO THE ENDLESS.....VASTNESS....OF SPACE.....smile and be insignificant!!!😂🤷♂️✌️😑🍻💯🤔🙃
Same as christianity... creepy
He is the most dangerous cult leader I have ever seen. And trust me I have seen a few. The fact that he is still in control is sickening. I think he murdered the leader. He is a sick sick man
I have low-key anxiety just listening to him gaslight. Total maniac.
Then stop listening.
Ted Koppel is/was a master interrogator. Such a classic gent but when he's probing you and reading you, quite intimidating.
I love it how Ted Koppel is not letting David Miscavige steam roll over him no matter how hard he tries to. How many lies can one person tell per minute?
How many minutes is this video 😂
Ted Koppel is an SP 😂
Aren't we all?
I'm tempted to say that DJT can tell more lies per minute, but this video is old, Miscaviage has had a long time to practice. Maybe they're on par.
Indeed!
The man talks in circles. He answers questions with questions and word salad analogies.
Kamala Harris has studied dave for decades.
U cant deny he gives irs the finger everyyyyy year though 😂
He was actually articulate and coherent. Whether it was all factual I don't know. But he defended his church about as well as the pope could defend his.
@Frip36 I absolutely disagree with you! Are we watching the same interview? P.S. And uh....no! It was certainly NOT all factual!!!!
He’d be a great politician.
His wife hasn't been seen in 15 years and he refuses to say where she is. He's also been said to beat up on people who want to leave. They were all a bunch of nuts They're all a bunch of nuts.
I was thinking about her while watching this.... I wonder if she is in witness protection.....
@@chellefell1331she's fine.
I didn't know this interview had happened until today, I have watched many interviews in the last few years starting with Leah Remini. She has put a spotlight on this group, and since then it is very difficult to not see something is very very wrong. I hope her lawsuit sheds more light, my heart goes out to the ones who were and are being deceived and victimized.
If people want to join their church, let them. That's their choice and their money.
The ability to say so much without actually saying a thing is a remarkable talent...
Yeah, I've always had a little bit of respect for individuals that are able to to that and remain composed and confident. I don't like them or what they're doing, but it is impressive on some level.
Yeah, Ted really didn't let him finish most points. I was interested, but he kept interrupting and steering it. "Well get back to that in a moment", but he mostly doesn't... weird.. Seems pretty full of himself to be honest.
J Peterson agrees
@@alainlalondewhat points? 😂😂😂
It’s called sophistry I believe
Ted Koppel was an absolute boss here
Keep your mouth shut
This gives me "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it" - vibes.
Ha ha! Yes miscavige is like a prep school billy Madison! Ha ha ha!!
💯
Giving Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman “American Psycho” vibes
I don't think so. I don't agree w his beliefs but he seems sane enough.
God, you can just tell in his eyes that he wants to pitch a fit and yell or try to hit Koppel. He knows he can't, and it's throwing him off. He isn't in his controlled environment where everyone lets him do whatever he wants. He's a spoiled brat that's finally run into someone that isn't having his bullshit. It's wonderful.
Okay mister psychologist, didn't recognize you in RUclips comments
And he’s not given another interview since
You are full of BS. See what in his eyes exactly? You must be psychic lol 😂
He's under pressure.. so of course he's gonna look crazy! We've all been there, except for it wasn't on TV heheh
@@upfront2375 1) Are you actually sticking up for David Miscavige??
2) PLENTY of other people who aren't used to being on camera have been under a similar or more intense level of scrutiny on camera and haven't acted that way. It's also important to note that he's trying to promote a belief system(essentially a for-profit church) that's supposed to provide people with the ability to handle any hardship and is falling apart because of high school level critical thinking questions.
Miscavige is frightening. He and Tom Cruise have a similar quietly rumbling, undercurrent of unhinged narcissism just under the surface
And what are you .. ? A psychiatrist? A mind reader or a shaman?
I think both Tom and
@@thinktankcritic5267Don’t need to be any of those to see that.
@@thinktankcritic5267people are learning to spot this behaviour, it’s becoming very obvious and transparent… a bit like the reason you’re irritated by it.
Now everything has a label on it! Every nuance of behavior every twitch of the eye or eyebrow can be construed as something devious, pathological and falling under a label category .. labeled ..! ? Crazy world
This guy is absolutely nuts. There is no lie too great that this Miscavige won’t spout.
Bidens twin
"Why didnt we think of this' - The Mafia
It's clear why this cult leader stopped doing interviews. You can hear the lawyers pulling thier hair out listening to him spew this nonsense. This is a man who is used to being agreed with 100% of the time. Thanks for the upload!
Consummate Yes man for sure!!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
That’s a good point. He exists In his own bubble.
@@LadyPamela63 While I definitely hope not, I don't believe Shelly is still alive.
@@lisanewman5378 I don’t either. They may have someone speaking for her, until I see her in person I’m afraid she is not with us.
30 years after this damning feature, and not only have there been no investigations/arrests, but Scientology is still allowed to operate in the United States. Mind boggling.
The question is: How can Biden still be "operating".
money talks and bullshit walks... they have bribed and have their fingers in the i.r.s., various police forces (lapd), and other authorities and politicians...add in our WAY OVERBOARD freedom of religion amendment and there you go!
Because the line is still drawn at ‘freedom of religion’ when it should be classified as a criminal organization subject to the RICO act.
@@happydayz7857 true... unfortunately, in this country, "freedom of religion" seemingly is more important than anything even illegality!
...as a non-profit....tax free corporation
As a retired psychologist l would love to give this man a series of testing. Its amazing what some uneducated people can make out of nothing!!!!
Like an E-meter testing? Except one that's AMA approved.
Meanwhile your profession changes it's fundamental views on what is healthy and normal vs. detrimental and demented, depending on the political winds.
He is simply a con man, lots of them out there. He just hit the jackpot on the biggest Scam under the guise of Religion...haha mixing Science & Religion is such an Oxymoron....😂
@@Frip36exactly.
Ted Koppel is the best in the business. I've been a fan 45 years.
Damn, I think he missed his calling. He would’ve killed it as a used car salesman! 😂
Or a sleazy defense attorney
he's earned way more money by doing this
@@victorfergn yep yep, I totally get that. It was more of a joke about how ruthless car salesman can be & he’s just unrelenting like them… 👍
@@brandonius78he sounds like a politician.
Man I wish there was a Ted Koppel today. He was the best.
👍🏻👍🏻
He died???
@@jackieblue9536 he’s still alive but he retired ages ago.
@@cotati76 actually he did a piece talking with Trump supporters pretty recently
@@carissalamkahouan699 he did? I’ll have to find it and watch it. I haven’t seen him in ages.
Yo when he said "space planes" and described them as literal DC 8s but just with space propulsion I literally burst out laughing on the bus, drawing the stares of the others. What a story.
This is what Scientologists actually believe
First time hearing Mr Miscavige, very impressed, makes many interesting points and valid criticisms of societal norms.
🤣🤣🤣
For me as a Brit these old school American news presenters and journalists were untouchable
How they are introduced after commercial is nostalgic
@@cookiechaser126 uupiii😊ppppipp😊ipi😊ppuj. U have have to to get get back back from i
That interviewer is also British born but grew up in america
Sadly, we no longer produce real journalists.
@@ethanwashoe5868 yes i was gonna say also
"It never ceases to amaze me how much Tom Cruise talks like Miscavige." I approve this message.
It’s like they are twins!
I’m sure you do approve
@@CarlaLou-ov8yc And how about you "CarlaLou"?... Are you a troll/bot paid for by the Cult and Complete and Utter Delusion that is 'scientology'?...
Tom imitates him or he toms🤔
In the motion picture industry it is widely known Tom Cruise is of very poor intelligence.
He cant even clearly describe why someone would want to be a Scientologist.
He's not "selling" it. That's why. You either believe in their system, or you don't. 🤷
This was a wild interview. Beyond me how this cult is still around
Considering Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are still around after thousands of years, why would it be beyond you that another cult has lasted decades.
@kiwe3546 those other religion don't rob, abuse and enselave you like scientology tho.
@@halimasari9615dedicate 2 years of your life to an American “mega church.” You’ll be unpleasantly surprised
Ted Koppel retained control of the interview. He was a master of interviews.
P.S. - WHERE is Shelley Miscavige?
haha Ted Koppel was the real deal. You can really tell David Miscavige is a man used to having the final word and used to being in charge. You can almost see flames in his eyes anytime Ted cut him off or pushed back.
@@TDOLLAHe's a little bully I guess he's assaulted people physically 😮
Testosterone levels are plummeting nowadays. Relates to communication.
I noticed he squeezed his hands together a few times to maintain control.
Absolute pleasure to observe a GENUINE journalist. They are extinct in this generation.
@@mustaffa1611 wait, are you for real? you do know they've been exposed time and time and again for being fake news right? hell, if you fell their bullshit you're probably the type of person who falls for the scientology con in the first place.
@@mustaffa1611 it's a cool concept really, but they edit out the context all the time to make people look worse then they actually are and hell weren't they apart of the whole "stolen election" shit, yeah those losers are very trustworthy...to people who are easily swayed (i.e. those qanon cunts). hell if you consider yourself, a truly intelligent skeptic who doesn't fall for every asshole who caters to you and your beliefs than you should watch timbah on toast's career deep dive on his entire career, all the good and the bad he's done in a balanced and thoughtful way. then you'll fully understand what i mean.
Notice how much time Koppel was given to interview one person on a given topic. TV journalism nowadays is much more formulaic & searching for some sensory driven viewings not uncovering deeper meaning on a topic.
When news is profit-driven, we get schlock. Viewers are as responsible as greed journalism for where we are.
Yes I know. Seems an actual genuine and fair interview
No they are not
I love the guy out there calling them out all the time, in LA.
Streets LA
@@Cwho9ss yeah, I love them!!! It’s so sad to see these videos tbh…. The one guys lip could not have gone down any further if he tried! It was like a baby ready to cry! Weird & wild ish!
Dacid Miscaviage reminds me of an 80's movie villian. Lol
Evil Tom Cruise
This guy needs to run for something: he's mastered the art of talking forever and not saying anything.
That's called a politician bro
@@bkohler89 which is why the OP said he should run for something. Everybody knows that’s called a politician 🫤
@@bkohler89 That was the point of the comment.
Former Scientologists, who decided to leave, the church, said that David was a sociopath. He actually tortured some people by beating him physically and psychologically. This should be outlawed. In addition to the above claims, another one of the Scientologists that wanted to leave said “
You cannot be poor and be a Scientologist”. Now that’s a real red flag right there Debra Bader.
Exactly what interests liberals. Why they vote Democrat.
Mr. Koppel was brutally intelligent and truly terrific.
Driving in his Mercury arriving at his spaceship, L Ron Hubbard took off for Mars, Starburst, reaching the Milky Way ... he then left the supermarket aisle and took the candy bars home with him and wrote a phantasmagorical story.
Nice interview. I would have liked to see him interview groups that are infinitely worse than the Church of Scientology, such as the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
and remarkably patient.
And...? Yes ??
@@janetmcarthur5257 infinitely worse in what way? Not arguing - genuinely curious.🙂🤔
“Scientology is so good it doesn’t need a sales pitch”, he says. That is every salesman’s pitch.
Well, I’m sold…on never joining Scientology. No wonder this is the only interview he’s done
Anyone else notice how eerily similar his communication style is to Tom Cruise?
Eye contact, aggressive posture, etc. they definitely train these people
Good point. CULT-Y.
I thought the same thing! Just like Tom Cruise!
That was one of the most disturbing things about this interview.
Spot on
I can't believe how similar TC and DM mannerisms are.
oh man, ted koppel DESTROYED him with such a calm rational demeanor that just highlighted the mounting defensive paranoia david miscavige was completely unable to hide. i would LOVE for the behavior panel to analyze this interview! they always appreciate an interviewer who is calm, unshakable, and relentless with hard questions. fantastic!
What is the behavior panel? What am I missing!? As someone with a Master's in behavioral psych that sounds right up my alley.
And I appreciate that Mr Koopel did his homework before this interview
@@thescarletgraywitch8052 it’s a you tube channel with 4 body language experts. They analyze different peoples interviews and reactions. It is really good! I highly recommend! Channel is called The Behaviour Panel
@@thescarletgraywitch8052 ooooh they are a great youtube channel! their channel is The Behavior Panel and they are 4 behavior experts who do work for police interrogations and other areas of behavior analysis! they look at body language and statement analysis mostly and it is fascinating! I highly recommend! :)
@@alison2649 seriously! he read the books and everything!
Ted Koppel has Miscavige on the run.
Wish we had more interviewers like this these days
He seemed like an extremely aggressive salesperson who wants to come into your house and who puts his foot in so you can’t shut the door. Everything the host says just bounces back with a flow of aggressive words and a pointing finger. He seems against the whole world. Scary aggressive man
The only thing missing at the end of the interview is Miscavige asking Ted if he wants the floor mats and mudflaps.
But Scientologists don't come to you. You go to them.
Yeah and he sure hates Forrest piece on the cult on Nightline 😁
31:26 Miscavige is clenching his hands so tightly his knuckles are white while trying to contain his anger. This was probably the first and last time he tolerated someone challenging him without physical lashing out at them. Such a scary little man.
He seemed like a composed and articulate executive defending himself and his company with vigor.
lol he was not clenching his hands
@@Frip36You under every comment defending him😂😭
Decades after this expose came out and still not one politician or gov't body has done jack s**t. At the minimum their tax exempt status should be rescinded. And in an ideal scenario there would be jail time.
I just began watching this and from the beginning, Ted Koppel says that a lot of people were afraid to speak about Scientology. He and his team deserve credit for airing this story and interview, probably especially his team since Ted's high profile may have given him some level of protection from harassment.
I am acquainted with someone who worked for NPR decades ago, and she told me that she got some kind of tip that led her to a naive investigation into Scientology. Soon thereafter, she got bizarre anonymous phone calls and I think also a letter with vaguely threatening comments telling her to cease her investigation immediately. She was unnerved and told her producer about it, and her producer told her to stop the investigation immediately, saying that Scientology is a dangerous organization that harasses journalists and has been linked with deaths of people and that it's best to leave it alone. And so she did, and she was very shaken up. After she dropped it, they stopped harassing her. So the organization stayed largely out of the media for a long time at least in part by intimidating journalists, and any journalist who followed through with any investigation really deserves credit.
I can't help but be a little bit amused by Miscavige's claim that an organization that calls itself a cult awareness nerwork is a 'religious hate group.' I do wonder how many people who belong to harmful cults hear the term 'cult' used in reference to their groups and take offense.
Ted Koppel totally owned Miscavige.
This is what happens when the guy who is USED to being the smartest guy in the room, actually has a discussion with THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM!
He did!! I love it when David said Scientology had been voted the Community Outreach Group of the Year and Ted doesn't miss a beat.. "By Whom?"
No, he did not.
@@StarCityAudits Hey- how's the Sea Org these days David?
Correction: the guy who THINKS he's the smartest guy in the room, because he will only allow rooms to be filled with sycophants. This interview was amazing and Ted Koppel is my new hero :)
@@StarCityAudits Found the scientologist!
Mr. Koppel gave David the biggest ass whooping without having to move a finger or even get loud. True master of his craft.
The worst thing that could have happened to humanity was the internet. I was born in 1957, am 67, and have been an automation/electronics engineer all my working life, and I think that I know what I'm talking about.
Mr. Koppel teaches a master class on interviewing here. Perfection.
If you want to be a Washington bully on television and tell the American people what to think,
this is a major American media master class. Ted has bags under bags under his eyes, and that wig!
@@johnwattdotca found the Scientologist 🤣
@@sinatra222 I see you don't like to think at all. Anything else totally stupid to say?
@@johnwattdotca Koppel called out a bully, which Miscavige clearly was then, and still is now. And Koppel was masterful in not letting that little dictator pull any crap. BTW: This episode won an Emmy award.
@@namename4012 I'm not surprised the episode won an Emmy, intended to validate the content. You are still wrong, and for someone who can type as an intelligent person I'm surprised you want to keep spouting off lies. Koppel was over-bearing and directive, asking questions but cutting off answers. Miscavige was explanatory, probably too much for the average American, while he was calm and always reasonable. I stress, and you should understand, Scientology isn't a religion or a cult. It's about Science, and yes, it's expensive. What is the life problem you have that makes you such a hater?
The brilliant thing Ted did was to keep him talking. The more he talks, the more insane Dave sounds.
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good point. Let them talk
Dave is a delusional nut.
The bigger the hole..
@@marcusmaher-triskellionfil5158with a huge shovel to dig a hole.
He loves using the phrase, “You have to understand”.
A revealing phrase. Prince Andrew used it several times in his disastrous interview. It betrays a feeling on the part of the speaker that they have authority over you and don't want you to think outside the box, and you MUST see things their way.
the way they smile at each other shows that they both know what it is
No wonder that was David’s only interview!!! Dude was owned by the legend himself, cool 😎 Ted Koppel!!
Ted really did his homework! Most interviewers don’t
David was not prepared to deal with an interviewer so intelligent and knowledgeable of his "church." Ted did his homework AND he was rational and lucid. At the very beginning, Ted saying that he was quite happy with his life, his family, his job, what could the church POSSIBLY have to offer him, and David never really had a concrete answer for him.
I have my own issues with psychology and psychiatrists in general. But I am not going to throw them all under the bus because psychology was used as a tool to convince German people the good that could be achieved with the Holocaust.
@@paulcolburn3855 he told him that scientology would make him more productive. it's pretty good answer. but generally, it's pointless trying to get a real answer from a psychopath
@@CoolGobyFish yeah I got that part "more productive." But that is an entirely "subjective" answer on what was entirely "objective" reporting. It doesn't really mean anything.
I am sure that is the same answer you would get from John Travolta and Tom Cruise, more "productive."
@@paulcolburn3855 well. productivity can be measured. so it's an objective answer. not that I support this cult leader, but he has a pretty good answer for everything (as most psychopath in power)
Miscavige did a great job of displaying the need for quality mental health....wow.
Don't give this little goblin any credit. Any humanity he shows is just an act. He doesn't give a shit about you or anyone else... he wouldn't run a cult that strips people of their money promising answers otherwise
Excuse me??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why do they call themselves a church when they don't believe in God. It's a successful cult which is scary. I worked for a bookstore years ago and remember LRon Hubbards's bks in the science fiction section. It is a testimony to the ignorance of many people that a scifi writer would become a rich cult leader.
LOL
@@Amy.PCB.home. They call themselves a church so they won't have to pay taxes...
Ugh. That pointing finger! And that RELENTLESS voice. Ted Koppel incredible.
If this guy handed me a glass of water to drink, I wouldn't drink it.
David’s cadence and demeanor reminds me of a certain actor of impossible missions.
Com Truise?
😂
DM copied TC.
This is such a great reminder of what great journalism used to look like. The time when journalists would challenge their guests whilst wittingly roasting them like this 🤣
And also have on a guest that society opposes and detests without getting accused of 'giving them a platform' and inherently supporting them. That scares a lot of interviewers out of being willing to have those sorts of people on to be challenged.
Good times. Miss um
Many (almost all) of journalists who are in the business today got their jobs because #1) they are great looking AND #2) their parents were rich enough that they could afford unpaid internships in the business until they got their first shot. That is it. Looks and money. What journalism does NOT require today (something that Ted Kopel possessed) is intelligence and quick thinking. Ted was able to respond (in turn) to each of David's points. There pretty much isn't a journalist working today that could do that without following a perfectly worded script. They can't think like that because they can't think.
In 2002, Katie Couric interviewed Ann Coulter. All Katie could do is ask gotcha questions from a script and when Ann responded (in turn) Katie would dismiss all of Ann's rebuttals with the comment "well I am conducting the interview and I will ask the questions." Katie could never match wits with Ann Coulter (that could never happen) BUT she got her position in the media because of her looks and connections. She can't do any investigative anything, but she made the big bucks.
Journalists and reporters, they do not want to be challenged on their own shows. To be challenged might expose the fact either A) they don't know anything or B) they can't think or possibly C) they don't know anything AND they can't think. Those are not pre-requisites' for an industry where the people working in it are focused on looks and money.
The journalists who can do this still exist. They just don't have the platforms they once had because media companies have been allowed to conglomerate to ridiculous levels. Serious journalism is not what advertisers want to sponsor. End of story.
@@billplaney2585 Precisely put.
Omg the sound of the Nightline starting took me back about 25 years instantly
Ted Koppel, wow, when journalist went after the real stories & delivered to the people.
I am 30 minutes in and I can already see why Dave does not do interviews with the media anymore. This is a train wreck.
Brah he was 28 back then and doing his first Tv interview he’s a good talker.
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@@jamoin4310 at one point he contracted himself! Anyone watching back then would have spotted it.
He’s actually very good. Anyone who can’t see that is insane .
@@MrDavital1 Yup..he is good, this is how he got to the top...and he is a psychopath
I love how David Miscavige struggles through the first question by rambling about how Scientology has made breakthroughs in communication. 😂 The irony is not lost on me.
This tool communicates less effectively than a street urchin in Atlantic City
Could you imagine if in 1992, there was an internet and youtube? He would have been screwed!!!
Miscavige has a sociopathic stare. Scary dude.
It is 2023, Where is his wife?
I had never had the pleasure of seeing this interview before, and I now have a much deeper respect for the journalism integrity of Mr. Koppel. His cool, calm demeanor is a stark contrast with Miscavige's flustered answers.
This was once the norm and, since I was a child raised during the time when this level of journalism was the norm, I had forgotten how important (and frankly, impressive) it was to strengthen the fabric of society.
Koppelv and this show do not have integrity. They were going to run the hit pieces after interviewing Miscaviage but Miscaviage demanded they play first so he can respond. This show was sued for running a story about a defect causing cars to explode when the show actually rigged cars with fireworks and intentionally made them explode
Edie Marie Young: I will take your comment at face value. Look at Ted Koppel, a media talking head.
He's got bags under bags under his eyes, and look at that wig. He doesn't look like a happy camper.
The other man looks healthy and talks quickly. That's the problem you have with him, he talks fast.
You must be one of those Americans who has problems reading and blames the words.
@@le_th_ Are you talking about the good old days of the Kennedy assassination, the magic bullet,
and everything else as cover-ups? It took a civilian with a camera who found his family movie
a year later, the Zapruder film, that changed their "history" and "analytic reporting".
@@johnwattdotca was s
David Miscavige looks just like almost any super villain CEO from movies or videogames.
It's the hair
LOL
Watchmen comes to mind
“You know, I’m something of a Scientologist myself”
Man, this guy really wants to sell me this car.
We are still waiting to find his wife who has been "missing" for a decade😮
Look at his eyes. You rarely see insanity in such a passive and lucid manner. Yet you can tell it’s lurking in there. Ready to flare into terrible clarity, when that spirit gets tired of riding it’s beast of burden at a trot.
Its* beast..
Beautifully said
Someone passed their English lit with flying colours huh hahah
He is somewhat charming and affable but there is something sinister lurking there
Ted Koppel did a really excellent job. I really feel a free press and unbiased investigative journalism is critical for any free country or democracy, and I worry about the decline of newspapers and journalism in favor of click-bait and partisanship.
100%!!!
You don't need to worry there's no such thing.
No one cares about your feelings.
Goes hand in hand with the drop in reading comprehension. Cellphones and pads have murdered that part of it more effectively than any poor schooling ever could.
What is so unbiased here? It's very biased. During the whole interview he is trying to impose his opinion about something he obviously doesn't know much about instead of having a conversation. Unbiased is not opposing somebody but letting someone tell you their view and then let you and your audience decide for themselves. This interview was an attack from the beginning.
And before somebody attacks me that I am insulted scientologist... No. I don't even know of there is a church in my country
I used to watch Nightline every night. Now I remember why. Ted Koppel is the best of the best. We need that level of journalism again. He cuts through the BS and gets to the point.
This interview just reminds me why all cults are the same. The deeper you dig, the more crazy it is. If people knew from the outset the crazy train they were jumping on, I’m sure they’d jump off immediately.
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This is how the media should confront ALL corrupt authorities, whether political, corporate, academic, or religious - right, left, and center.
Well facts don't matter to many. People like to be pandered and lied too.
They absolutely do it to the right, if they would do it to the left with the same energy this country would be in a much better place
Breed?
Avarice / feudalism....
That's supposed to be their very function, their only "raison d'etre", the very key to sustainable democracy, truth, and freedom everywhere. They've all completely sold out now, petty traitors to their own realm.
@@cjdayne3033 they only do it to someone on the left, if that person dares to go against the narrative….
I love how he sings the praises of "communication improvement" in Scientology, then proceeds to be one of the worst communicators I have ever witnessed.
2024, and he’s never done another one of these. Absolutely insane, as much as him and his cult.
This interview won me over. Thank you for bringing this interview to the world.
This guy apparently never heard of childhood asthma. I had asthma as a child, never spoke to a Scientologist or went to their church, and now as an adult I don't have asthma. I guess staying away from Scientology cured me.
Good for you
Mental illness and Scientology l how are we letting this happen it’s worse-than a concentration camp American technology where are you
Diabetes is not real Iam living with people with mental illness you are a criminal org they all will never forget this guy
It is truly ironic how a "science-based" religion ignores actual medical science.
😂