This is what every nba argument boils down to. Sports get better and more advanced I’m assuming nba players in 30 years will be better. It just baffles me people don’t realize yhat
@@mattsell2361it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
@@mattsell2361 it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
when we’re talking about eras, you need to split them into pre malice and post malice. it’s difficult to understate just how much that single event affected the nba. it might be the most consequential event in nba history
Except the modern players get away with travelling, carrying and barely play defence. I wouldn’t say there more skilled, just a transfer of skills to other facets of the game. They’re definitely better shooters and dribblers, but that’s about it really. Defence, midrange, post and general iq and fundamentals are actually worse now than before.
This video brings up a great point about how I think a lot of the "Which era is better" debate comes down to personal aesthetic preferences for playing basketball. Personally, I really like defenders not having three seconds violations, I like zone defense, and I would want hand-checking to be allowed, but I understand others don't. You can't please everyone. I still hate when people have to put down stars of this or past eras, though. Good video!
The physical argument is overblown and it can be argued that the nba today is more taxing on players bodies. That’s why we see more injuries today. We are pushing bodies to their absolute limit and some bodies just give out. That’s why non contact injuries are far more common today
@@whatslaps I think it probably would. The pace of today is so fast. Unlike other eras that had very high pace, players are more talented and quicker and being able to change direction and euro step and cover literally the entire court instead of the just the paint and offenses being more movement based instead of iso based all contribute to there being more strain on players bodies. Watching especially eras pre 1980s it doesn’t seem that crazy to understand why players played 82 games a year. But nba fans are crazy and will call me crazy. I think the all time low in fouls and free throw attempts in the recent years are making the game faster so there’s like no breaks in the game itself which also puts strain on players
I love the high offense we have now, but I also like great defense. Sometimes the scoring we see now doesn’t get much out of me, and on that same coin I don’t really like the Bad Boy Pistons just hacking at people. The game being more physical would be an overall benefit tho. Handchecking would make the games a little more competitive.
tbh i think we're already seeing that shift towards defense. The last 30 games of the regular season and this year's playoffs scoring went back to pre 2017 scoring volume. Mostly due to the refs letting guys play more without the whistle as well as great defensive schemes
he would be regarded probably in a more favorable light because back then they didn't mismatch hunt, but he wouldn't be significantly better because his one on one post defense still sucks against elite bigmen and back then u needed that as a skill, guys like shaq, KG,Dirk,Amare and Duncan would have ate him alive
I'm 26 but to me mid 80s is fire basketball and so many greats played then, all of them with very interesting skills to watch tapes of especially considering how unique and unheard of some play styles were at that time. Seeing Bird do no-look passes, pull up threes etc for example, was probably insane to witness back then. As well rounded as players are today I do find the 80s basketball to be the most entertaining to watch, defense was also very different
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Late 2000s/Early 2010s was the best. Bias aside since it was my childhood/early adolescence, the game seemed like a good mix of inside and out play styles in which every possession didn’t end with a 3-point attempt
I would say that era and the early to mid 90s were the best aesthetically. We're starting to get into a really good era imo with the flopping being cracked down on also.
@@ParagonGorillaI think I saw something that said adjusting for today’s stats he translates to like 36ppg on decent efficiency or something similar which is still elite just not the godly stats he put up back then
I dont think “we” overvalue wilt, theres no arguement for him outside the top 12, he is one of the players whos placement in peoples top 12 is the most varied, i think hes ok between 6-12 just depends how much you value achievements in that era, bill and wilt both have 2k levels of achievements with bill having 1700 championships and wilt putting up all the points ever, people who have him top 5 are tweaking but its also pretty casual to just say its a different game from then so wilt is isnt a godly player
2000s is low-key underated, issue is all allot of the guys who blew up in it didn't survive, Michael redd, Yao Ming, Danny Granger, Brandon Roy, Gilbert arenas all got injured and dropped off a cliff going into 2010s the lack of legacy left by some of the decades best players has definately affected the perception of era that while not being the MOST talented still had its fair share of extremely influential players who helped evolve the game into what it is today.
I always find this to be an interesting question. Comparing and contrasting different rules and and skillsets for their respective times can make for a fun "what if" kind of thing for how players and situations coulda/woulda been in they were in a different time. But overall I agree with the concept of how skill level is constantly increasing as the sport continues on. Which begs the question, if guys from yesteryears were able to have today's technology/science/training and so on, what would their result have been? The evolution of the game definitely has an effect/influence of the overall zeitgeist of the sport for any particular era, which can leave to the imagination/personal beliefs where one can arrive with this converation. But those Oakley comments were kinda wild. Thank you again sir, my man bringin the goods again. Appreciate you fam.
Exactly. Comparison is the thief of joy. The game was just different. Hard to even figure out what the argument is. I think old guys just don't want to be forgotten. People who like the old generation are sentimental about that part of their life. Young people disrespect the OGs because they're being criticized. It goes beyond sports. respect the generations before you respect the generations that come after you.
@@whatslapslol yet this generation just thinks blatantly these guys are better yet they're most uneducated bout history. That first sentence I doubt you really believe. I'm sure you favor this era.
A topic I’ve been interested in lately is the GOAT debate, and asking the question: If you were able to copy an entire players NBA career, championships, failures, statistics, and scrutiny, except it would be in the modern NBA. What players career would it be?
The defensive 3-second violation rule on the paint is honestly terrible for me. I watch international basketball along with the NBA and the defense difference is clear. If the NBA got rid of that rule, it would solve all of the lack of defense complaints NBA coaches have, both retired and working, on the modern NBA. It would also make the NBA more interesting to watch because more blocks will happen which results in better highlights.
Hey whatslaps, this is the last of year of Inside. Are you gonna make a video about them? Your channel is pretty casual friendly, you don't assume that your audience is a hardcore fan. So i think it would be a great video
An interesting topic I think you can cover is the correlation of being bulky and three point shooting. Jayson tatum bulked and yeah can finish layups better but dipped in shooting. Same with Giannis before he bulked. Or maybe there's nothing there at all. I dunno
I like the brand of basketball of the mid-80s until Jordan's 2nd retirement (from the Bulls) the most. 80s physical play is a bit overstated - most teams did not play like the Bad Boy Pistons. Skill has always improved. The only period where I saw decline was for a few years after Jordan retired from the Bulls when the budding new Superstars (Grant Hill, McGrady, Vince Carter, Penny Hardaway) not named Shaq or Kobe of the late 90s constantly dealt with injures, and the game slowed down. The 2003 draft and 2004 hand-checking rule. Star power is amazing now from top to bottom, but 2 reasons why you can't play defense anymore - no travels called or hand checking of any kind. It's hard to fault players for that.
I mean the top players of the dead ball era were good enough to have their offenses built around them like who wouldn’t want to build around guys like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, and Chris Webber? I mean all 4 of them were also pretty good and willing passers
I think you would have to be crazy to say we aren't in the most skillful era of basketball BUT I don't think it is the most entertaining era. My personal bias is towards the early 2000s when we were getting the next generation of stars (AI, Bron, Wade, Timmy, Kobe, etc.), tho I could concede that The Jordan years were the height of international interest. But I also think the 2000s era started the problem we are in now where all these dudes hung around waaaaaay longer than stars from previous eras. The league didn't get it's next generation refresh, it's still the Bron show.
i think some rules in the league need to have some wiggle room beacause if the rules are to restrictive then the refs will have to call every little screw up which will slow the game down
the illegal defense violation actually ended in 2001 and replaced by the 3 second rule....before you couldn't play zone which made it easier for 1v1 scorers.....defense was actually made easier to play not harder now that zone can be used...this is why shaq/mike didn't like it...this allowed more bad defenders to get on the floor..especially the ones that were elite snipers since they were now needed to exploit the zone defenses that routinely left them wide open also goaltending did exist as a violation when wilt played but they had a different understanding of the rule back then....you really think you can tell its goaltending with those angles you see but a professional ref can't?
exactly. I think I have that in one of my other videos from last year. Goaltending is a tough call but I think you know it when you see it. ya feel me?
Like what you like I guess, but I have so many problems with the modern NBA. The carrying, the illegal screens, the gather, but my main issue is the homogenaity. The best way to win games has been unlocked and you're not putting pandora back in the box on that one, so every team looks the same. A scoring wing, or if you're lucky a big man, initiates a five out screen and roll, they drive and kick till the get an advantage, usually a three or a layup, or if you're lucky a mismatch in the post. Every team is fast, every team runs the same offense, and everyone just takes turns doing that as if it were three point golf. They took chess, and turned it into checkers.
@@whatslaps 2018 is when I started slipping, and the 14 second shot clock was the nail in the coffin. I still watch old Hardwood Classics from the 90s through the early 2010s though.
The order best - worst is: 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2020s, 2010s, 70s, 60s. The 2000s, the Eastern Conference had great games against each other, but they got crushed against the Western Conference. 2010s was trash & so far, the 2020s has been trash. 80s was the best with the competition in both conferences & the different playing & coaching styles. 90s were great because MJ couldn't be beaten & the center position had the best & most athletic big men in the history of the game. 2000s, the power forwards & point guards dominated the league & the western conference had 9 of the top 10 PGs & 10 of the top 10 power forwards. The eastern conference had the best 2 guards & small forwards. So, even though they were great, the Western Conference 1s & 4s were too dominant over the Eastern Conference 2s & 3s. Also, coaches limited what players were allowed to do & not do. Centers & power forwards could dribble back then but they just weren't allowed to do it.
@@Mogollita_ As a group, that's true, but the superstars from the 80s, 90s & 2000s are way better than the superstars of the 2010s & 2020s. The role players today would destroy the role players from the 80s-2000s but the superstars & all-stars from the 80s-2000s would crush the superstars & all-stars from the 2010s & 2020s
Illegal defense was in the nighties, Joe Dumars was not a bully on defense he was one of the Pistons with class. Also players are not more skilled today then yesterday, and vise versa, there are trade offs, the defensive skill set has fallen off while handling and shooting the ball has gone up. Players skills were different back then and watching highlights or games on a fuzzy you tube clip isn't going to help you to be objective. Watch Larry Bird he would be considered one of the most skilled players when he played but when you watch him it doesn't seem like it, you really have to pay attention to where he goes on the court to make not only offensive plays but defensive plays with economy of motion, he does what he needs to with as little effort as possible, that is a skill set that maybe only LeBron does now but it was just a thing back then a lot of players did this, they didn't dribble the air out of the ball to fake some one out. They literally needed just a couple of inches to get their shot off that's another skill set that to a casual fan isn't noticeable I could go on and on of the differences and trade offs in eras but the truth is they are different games that have different rules requiring different skill sets. I personally liked the physical play and I think this years playoffs were pretty good they allowed more physicality and it was nice, now they need to fix the regular season but even back in the nineties some of the regular season games sucked too.
I pulled the Joe Dumars categorization from a YT video. It's the first flagrant foul called on the Pistons. Pretty interesting when you watch him commit the foul. He's astonished that he's getting a flagrant.Crazy what you could get away with in 1989.
@@whatslaps The "Bad Boys" were Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, Dennis Rodman, Isaiah was the master mind, Chuck Daily was the real master mine. In the controversial walk off without shaking hands against the Bulls, Joe Dumars, and John Sally did not participate in that. Yes some of the fouls were ridiculous, but I watched the OKC and Miami finals, and I had no idea how they were calling the game it was all over the place on both sides after 2004 it got silly.
It's not just the physicality that has gotten soft. It's the mentatility bro. Ain't no way players like Ben Simmons, Zion, Ja, and Jordan Poole would survive in the 90s NBA and older. Plus today's players just have more of a green light. Not necessarily skilled. You really think guys like Shaq couldn't dribble the ball? Lol
worst era is probably 1999-2002 the talent from the Kobe, AI, KG sort of drafts hadn't come to fruition yet and the guys who made the earlier 90s (Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley) had fallen off)
Not only does this era have the most skilled guys but there's more competition than ever before. The talent pool from other countries have increased exponentially. Now US guys aren't just competing against each other for roster spots but they have to worry about international players more so than in prior eras
The NBA adopted a more Eurocentric approach to basketball in the 2010’s, hence the explosion of European players, with of course general improvement and development of basketball around the world.
More comp yes more skilled no. Better shooters yes, but I have seen how the new understanding of the"gather" step has greatly allowed for players to appear more skilled, as the adjustment on how carries are called. That change cannot be understated. Not to mention the lack of handchecking and no defensive 3. all that equates to much much easier offense. Plus the attempt at 'positionless' basketball. Players lose some skills in an attempt to gain others. Like post footwork is not as good among bigs. Handles appear better because carrying is rarely called. (i.e. I do consider Kyrie the greatest ball handler all time, but he does not carry most of the time). O and of course the increase in flopping.
6:18 Patrick is more skilled believe it or not. Gianni's doesn't have skills. Gianni's casually carries the ball. 6:41 shaq was glazing and being fake humble. Shaq clears Gianni's and i hate shaq
@@whatslaps IDC bout jumper but he takes it bad times or out of rhythm. It's like he thinks oh let me just add diversity to my chart rather than lane will be blocked let me fake accel pound into a rhythm pull up. He just doesn't do it naturally
Idk if you've done this before, and sorry if you have, but what about a video on Dynasties? You could compare Dynasties of different eras, or even talk about what is even considered a Dynasty. Like do you consider the Spurs of the early 2000s a dynasty, even though they never won back to back championships? Love your videos and I always look forward to your next one! Edit: Also do people actually like dynasties or find them boring?
I know I've talked about it before. I think it was in a video about if Americans care about the NBA finals. I think I might do this idea, but include some other sports too. Like the Patriots and Yankees
Don’t try to pretend like hand checking isn’t still a thing. When was the last time you even remember a ref actually calling it? It happens all the time albeit maybe less imposing than when it was legal. Guys do a lot of little things like that though on defence to shift the ball handler’s momentum or just make an ever so small change in angle in order to force them to go to a spot they don’t want to.
I think most people believe the era they grew up in. It’s like how we think everything was better and easier yesterday. Nostalgia blinds us
Whatever part of your life you remember most fondly is the period that the NBA was at its best.
This is what every nba argument boils down to. Sports get better and more advanced I’m assuming nba players in 30 years will be better. It just baffles me people don’t realize yhat
@@mattsell2361it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is
also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
@@mattsell2361 it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is
also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
it requires context tho even somebody have the avg of 30ppg in this era it would even not that impressive cuz the rule changes plus if you gonna go with advanced crap you should give that to the players back then too because they are used to the tough basketball so they will much better in the era same with the 3pt witchcraft bs if the modern players is in the current era doesnt matter tho if the rules have handcheckinh those one trick ponies like the enforcers back then will still average just like the 3pt specialist rn because you need to be all around like Jrue Holiday to play back then also bums will always bums no matter the era is
also skilled/athetic =/= its all about fundamentals they are not blowing out teams in the Olympics because they are doing too much there is a reason why it has 5 positions in basketball so the positionless is crap also the best player in the world Jokic is not even that atheltic so those arguments are all invalid
when we’re talking about eras, you need to split them into pre malice and post malice. it’s difficult to understate just how much that single event affected the nba. it might be the most consequential event in nba history
that'd be a fun video. different events and how they changed the league.
Except the modern players get away with travelling, carrying and barely play defence. I wouldn’t say there more skilled, just a transfer of skills to other facets of the game. They’re definitely better shooters and dribblers, but that’s about it really. Defence, midrange, post and general iq and fundamentals are actually worse now than before.
That's true. The game has just evolved. It looks different every 10 years. It's just a matter of preference at this point.
Yeah. Defence.
As the cliche going around now, either the era you grew up in or the one you watched the most.
yup. coincidentally lines up with your most sentimental era.
This video brings up a great point about how I think a lot of the "Which era is better" debate comes down to personal aesthetic preferences for playing basketball. Personally, I really like defenders not having three seconds violations, I like zone defense, and I would want hand-checking to be allowed, but I understand others don't. You can't please everyone. I still hate when people have to put down stars of this or past eras, though. Good video!
I like the way it is now, but I also enjoyed the deadball era. My only problem now is all the stoppage.
The physical argument is overblown and it can be argued that the nba today is more taxing on players bodies. That’s why we see more injuries today. We are pushing bodies to their absolute limit and some bodies just give out. That’s why non contact injuries are far more common today
Sometimes I wonder if they allowed more physical contact would it slow the game down and decrease injury. I wonder a of lot things though.
@@whatslaps I think it probably would. The pace of today is so fast. Unlike other eras that had very high pace, players are more talented and quicker and being able to change direction and euro step and cover literally the entire court instead of the just the paint and offenses being more movement based instead of iso based all contribute to there being more strain on players bodies. Watching especially eras pre 1980s it doesn’t seem that crazy to understand why players played 82 games a year. But nba fans are crazy and will call me crazy. I think the all time low in fouls and free throw attempts in the recent years are making the game faster so there’s like no breaks in the game itself which also puts strain on players
Damn it I love this channel so much. Favorite hoops content creator hands down. Let’s send this channel to a million
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Thanks!
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I love the high offense we have now, but I also like great defense. Sometimes the scoring we see now doesn’t get much out of me, and on that same coin I don’t really like the Bad Boy Pistons just hacking at people. The game being more physical would be an overall benefit tho. Handchecking would make the games a little more competitive.
Handchecking would definitely lower scoring. It's crazy watching defense back in the 90s and how physical it is. People grabbing jerseys and all that.
tbh i think we're already seeing that shift towards defense. The last 30 games of the regular season and this year's playoffs scoring went back to pre 2017 scoring volume. Mostly due to the refs letting guys play more without the whistle as well as great defensive schemes
Using FIBA rules as a template is a good idea.
@@jonnstewart2023 Yup I noticed that too and was super happy about it. It encourages more team play.
You know when you think about it Rudy Golbert would be an elite defender in shaq’s ear of basketball before they changed the rules.
Rudy would have been an enforcer.
he would be regarded probably in a more favorable light because back then they didn't mismatch hunt, but he wouldn't be significantly better because his one on one post defense still sucks against elite bigmen and back then u needed that as a skill, guys like shaq, KG,Dirk,Amare and Duncan would have ate him alive
Found your videos recently and really enjoy your perspectives
glad found the channel, man!
I'm 26 but to me mid 80s is fire basketball and so many greats played then, all of them with very interesting skills to watch tapes of especially considering how unique and unheard of some play styles were at that time.
Seeing Bird do no-look passes, pull up threes etc for example, was probably insane to witness back then. As well rounded as players are today I do find the 80s basketball to be the most entertaining to watch, defense was also very different
you one of dem old souls huh?
@@whatslaps Apparently lol. But just go and watch games where Bird and Magic went at each other and tell me I'm wrong
Nba today is crazy. Refs are gods that blows the whistle on ridiculous things and cant be opposed
Refs think they're cops.
its an emulation of the political order with an aim to make people respect authority without too much questioning, large scale sport manifestations are means for a cause..
well entertained and feed "peoples" is perfect mash for potatoes :D
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Late 2000s/Early 2010s was the best. Bias aside since it was my childhood/early adolescence, the game seemed like a good mix of inside and out play styles in which every possession didn’t end with a 3-point attempt
same. I was child too. I remember a few derrick fisher threes, but that's all. I was very drunk.
I would say that era and the early to mid 90s were the best aesthetically. We're starting to get into a really good era imo with the flopping being cracked down on also.
Today is the best day
@@whatslaps 😂
Great video
glad you dug it, fam
With all the news on the expansion, I’d love to see a video that goes over the history of past expansions and how they worked. But great video :)
the expansion draft would be a good topic. thanx for the tip
Saying no evidence for wilts 100 point game is flat earth levels of misinformation
I believe it happened, but I also believe in bigfoot is all I'm sayin.
it was such a different game from now. I think we overvalue wilt.
the idea that all those white ppl in 1962 came together and agreed to tell this big lie just to prop up one black man is laughable
@@ParagonGorillaI think I saw something that said adjusting for today’s stats he translates to like 36ppg on decent efficiency or something similar which is still elite just not the godly stats he put up back then
I dont think “we” overvalue wilt, theres no arguement for him outside the top 12, he is one of the players whos placement in peoples top 12 is the most varied, i think hes ok between 6-12 just depends how much you value achievements in that era, bill and wilt both have 2k levels of achievements with bill having 1700 championships and wilt putting up all the points ever, people who have him top 5 are tweaking but its also pretty casual to just say its a different game from then so wilt is isnt a godly player
Facts, the highlights were ALWAYS in slow motion. We need to being that back.
It's strange. It's the same way in football. but if it's really old they speed it up like a Benny Hill movie.
2000s is low-key underated, issue is all allot of the guys who blew up in it didn't survive, Michael redd, Yao Ming, Danny Granger, Brandon Roy, Gilbert arenas all got injured and dropped off a cliff going into 2010s the lack of legacy left by some of the decades best players has definately affected the perception of era that while not being the MOST talented still had its fair share of extremely influential players who helped evolve the game into what it is today.
From my childhood that's the era I have the most memories and when I was still playing. People forget about the Nike commercials during this era.
first lol, btw keep it up with the great content.
thanks man, but I gotta keep it real. you were 2nd.
generational hate is always something that confuses me no matter what the topic is
agreed. where is the love?
The best Era of Sports always is the one you're in right now
Agreed.
@@TheMarslMcFly so the 1970s NBA>the 1960s NBA?
@@jacobcrist7982 Athletes always become better with time going on, so yes
great video
god bless brother
The best era is whatever the current one is because I’m currently watching it
exactly. The best era is the era I'm watching at the best point in my life.
I think what we are all asking here is, who would win in a backyard wrestling match. Muggsy Bogues or Bol Bol
The real battle of eras
Mugsy has got leverage on his side.
Mugssy because bol bol are to high for his own good and lanky too
The Shane Larkin era
I don't even know who that is, but you're right.
@@whatslapsmavs, Knicks, nets, Celtics legend
I always find this to be an interesting question. Comparing and contrasting different rules and and skillsets for their respective times can make for a fun "what if" kind of thing for how players and situations coulda/woulda been in they were in a different time. But overall I agree with the concept of how skill level is constantly increasing as the sport continues on. Which begs the question, if guys from yesteryears were able to have today's technology/science/training and so on, what would their result have been? The evolution of the game definitely has an effect/influence of the overall zeitgeist of the sport for any particular era, which can leave to the imagination/personal beliefs where one can arrive with this converation. But those Oakley comments were kinda wild. Thank you again sir, my man bringin the goods again. Appreciate you fam.
Exactly. Comparison is the thief of joy. The game was just different. Hard to even figure out what the argument is. I think old guys just don't want to be forgotten. People who like the old generation are sentimental about that part of their life. Young people disrespect the OGs because they're being criticized. It goes beyond sports. respect the generations before you respect the generations that come after you.
@@whatslapslol yet this generation just thinks blatantly these guys are better yet they're most uneducated bout history. That first sentence I doubt you really believe. I'm sure you favor this era.
Good observation. I haven’t watch basketball in years but it is true that the game has change.
yep shifts every 10 years or so
A topic I’ve been interested in lately is the GOAT debate, and asking the question:
If you were able to copy an entire players NBA career, championships, failures, statistics, and scrutiny, except it would be in the modern NBA. What players career would it be?
We'd need to ask an oldhead that question.
6:49 I didn’t know shack had humility like this
We all contain multitudes
yo it's my idea!! this is super fucking cool!
ask and you shall receive (provided I like the idea)
You should make a video on the future of the NBA now that all the current stars are retiring.
I did one on the next face of the league, but I could do something broader. good tip!
If you could go back in time to the 90s, would you invest in Apple? Or coach basketball and tell your team to shoot 3s?
Neither. I'd go back and tell my 6 year old self to quit soccer and practice my three pointers.
The defensive 3-second violation rule on the paint is honestly terrible for me. I watch international basketball along with the NBA and the defense difference is clear. If the NBA got rid of that rule, it would solve all of the lack of defense complaints NBA coaches have, both retired and working, on the modern NBA. It would also make the NBA more interesting to watch because more blocks will happen which results in better highlights.
I totally agree.
Talk about the 75th team snubs! And which current players can and should be on the roster if it was updated
that'd be a sick video. Which players are shoe ins for the top 100
Which era off corn dog is the best? (another great video dude!)
Circa 96 maybe Circa 97 hard to say
Hey whatslaps, this is the last of year of Inside. Are you gonna make a video about them? Your channel is pretty casual friendly, you don't assume that your audience is a hardcore fan. So i think it would be a great video
I think I might do one on the tv deal as a whole. I find it pretty interesting. def include inside the nba
An interesting topic I think you can cover is the correlation of being bulky and three point shooting. Jayson tatum bulked and yeah can finish layups better but dipped in shooting. Same with Giannis before he bulked. Or maybe there's nothing there at all. I dunno
yeah, maybe something like how body types effect style of play.
Oh boy new whatslaps, always makes for a good lunch break
enjoy the turkey club and baked lays.
What about a video on the correlation between player skill and cuteness/ugliness
we are all cute in the eyes of the Lord.
2nd half of the 80s. 1st half of the 90s
How old are you?
19 years young, and im a twink
I prolly could have left that other part out but oh well
Could you do a video on NBA conspiracies? The Patrick Ewing draft was rigged, the Lakes-Kings game 6 was rigged etc.
that might work. People love a good scandal
Illegal defense back then meant you couldn’t double team off the ball
it would be wild to see a team off ball doubling these days.
suggestion: media day explained
best media days or something like that?
I like the brand of basketball of the mid-80s until Jordan's 2nd retirement (from the Bulls) the most. 80s physical play is a bit overstated - most teams did not play like the Bad Boy Pistons. Skill has always improved. The only period where I saw decline was for a few years after Jordan retired from the Bulls when the budding new Superstars (Grant Hill, McGrady, Vince Carter, Penny Hardaway) not named Shaq or Kobe of the late 90s constantly dealt with injures, and the game slowed down. The 2003 draft and 2004 hand-checking rule. Star power is amazing now from top to bottom, but 2 reasons why you can't play defense anymore - no travels called or hand checking of any kind. It's hard to fault players for that.
Yeah the deadball era was tough. You'd think there would have been more scoring given the decrease in handchecking.
I mean the top players of the dead ball era were good enough to have their offenses built around them like who wouldn’t want to build around guys like Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, and Chris Webber? I mean all 4 of them were also pretty good and willing passers
I agree. All those guys are my favorite players. Aside from Dirk. I like Dirk he's just not one of my favorites.
Wasn't Wilt's game tracked by the greatest statistician in league history? I remember reading about it
Not that I know of, but I don't read that much.
Crazy i was hearing this 90s bulls stat keeper, and he said they would tack on assists and points to make it look better. even on jordan.
Someone should do a full audit of games from the 90s.
I think you would have to be crazy to say we aren't in the most skillful era of basketball BUT I don't think it is the most entertaining era. My personal bias is towards the early 2000s when we were getting the next generation of stars (AI, Bron, Wade, Timmy, Kobe, etc.), tho I could concede that The Jordan years were the height of international interest. But I also think the 2000s era started the problem we are in now where all these dudes hung around waaaaaay longer than stars from previous eras. The league didn't get it's next generation refresh, it's still the Bron show.
The guys in the early aughts had unique personalities and it was fun watching them go up against each other. KG vs Duncan Kobe vs CWebb
There was illegal defense in the 90s you are incorrect
My bad man.
i think some rules in the league need to have some wiggle room beacause if the rules are to restrictive then the refs will have to call every little screw up which will slow the game down
Agreed. They should work on robot refs. The MLB is implementing digital umpires. could speed the game up.
@@whatslaps for sure and with the current level of technology nothing on the court should be unclear from any angle
If players from the 80s and 90s played with people today, most players of today wouldn't stand a chance. They'd hardly know what hit them.
Duncan, Garnett, and Mutumbo were beasts
the illegal defense violation actually ended in 2001 and replaced by the 3 second rule....before you couldn't play zone which made it easier for 1v1 scorers.....defense was actually made easier to play not harder now that zone can be used...this is why shaq/mike didn't like it...this allowed more bad defenders to get on the floor..especially the ones that were elite snipers since they were now needed to exploit the zone defenses that routinely left them wide open
also goaltending did exist as a violation when wilt played but they had a different understanding of the rule back then....you really think you can tell its goaltending with those angles you see but a professional ref can't?
exactly. I think I have that in one of my other videos from last year. Goaltending is a tough call but I think you know it when you see it. ya feel me?
Like what you like I guess, but I have so many problems with the modern NBA. The carrying, the illegal screens, the gather, but my main issue is the homogenaity. The best way to win games has been unlocked and you're not putting pandora back in the box on that one, so every team looks the same. A scoring wing, or if you're lucky a big man, initiates a five out screen and roll, they drive and kick till the get an advantage, usually a three or a layup, or if you're lucky a mismatch in the post. Every team is fast, every team runs the same offense, and everyone just takes turns doing that as if it were three point golf. They took chess, and turned it into checkers.
Yeah, true. Everyone has a preference. When did you stop watching the NBA?
@@whatslaps 2018 is when I started slipping, and the 14 second shot clock was the nail in the coffin.
I still watch old Hardwood Classics from the 90s through the early 2010s though.
happy monday whatslaps
do you think that a prime klay thompson would have been a good fit for the 7 second suns?
Good question, but I'll keep it real with you. I got no idea.
“Malice at the palace” great reference!
You should checkout the documentary on Netflix. I think you and mom have Netflix.
The order best - worst is: 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2020s, 2010s, 70s, 60s. The 2000s, the Eastern Conference had great games against each other, but they got crushed against the Western Conference. 2010s was trash & so far, the 2020s has been trash. 80s was the best with the competition in both conferences & the different playing & coaching styles. 90s were great because MJ couldn't be beaten & the center position had the best & most athletic big men in the history of the game. 2000s, the power forwards & point guards dominated the league & the western conference had 9 of the top 10 PGs & 10 of the top 10 power forwards. The eastern conference had the best 2 guards & small forwards. So, even though they were great, the Western Conference 1s & 4s were too dominant over the Eastern Conference 2s & 3s. Also, coaches limited what players were allowed to do & not do. Centers & power forwards could dribble back then but they just weren't allowed to do it.
the separation between the 80s and 70s is wild!
@@whatslaps Too many cokeheads in the 70s.
great video, gonna pull this out next time i fight with an old head
good move. oldheads hate youtube videos.
All I can say is I agree 💀
that's all you ever had to say ❤️
Skill wise, today's NBA players are far beyond what we saw in the past, but this era lacks better rivalries and stronger narrative
Yeah, hopefully we see more tension this season.
@@whatslaps I don't know. These guys realized they are collegues.
far beyond soft, more like it
@@Mogollita_ As a group, that's true, but the superstars from the 80s, 90s & 2000s are way better than the superstars of the 2010s & 2020s. The role players today would destroy the role players from the 80s-2000s but the superstars & all-stars from the 80s-2000s would crush the superstars & all-stars from the 2010s & 2020s
Taunting should be aloud, all the greats taunted, it’s mind games
I agree. I think it's important.
The one you grew up in
Or the era that coincides with the best period of your life.
The best era is when Wemby will dominate the NBA 🎉
see you in 3 years
Gotta let em taunt
no doubt. get some!
Illegal defense was in the nighties, Joe Dumars was not a bully on defense he was one of the Pistons with class. Also players are not more skilled today then yesterday, and vise versa, there are trade offs, the defensive skill set has fallen off while handling and shooting the ball has gone up. Players skills were different back then and watching highlights or games on a fuzzy you tube clip isn't going to help you to be objective. Watch Larry Bird he would be considered one of the most skilled players when he played but when you watch him it doesn't seem like it, you really have to pay attention to where he goes on the court to make not only offensive plays but defensive plays with economy of motion, he does what he needs to with as little effort as possible, that is a skill set that maybe only LeBron does now but it was just a thing back then a lot of players did this, they didn't dribble the air out of the ball to fake some one out. They literally needed just a couple of inches to get their shot off that's another skill set that to a casual fan isn't noticeable I could go on and on of the differences and trade offs in eras but the truth is they are different games that have different rules requiring different skill sets. I personally liked the physical play and I think this years playoffs were pretty good they allowed more physicality and it was nice, now they need to fix the regular season but even back in the nineties some of the regular season games sucked too.
I pulled the Joe Dumars categorization from a YT video. It's the first flagrant foul called on the Pistons. Pretty interesting when you watch him commit the foul. He's astonished that he's getting a flagrant.Crazy what you could get away with in 1989.
@@whatslaps The "Bad Boys" were Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, Dennis Rodman, Isaiah was the master mind, Chuck Daily was the real master mine. In the controversial walk off without shaking hands against the Bulls, Joe Dumars, and John Sally did not participate in that. Yes some of the fouls were ridiculous, but I watched the OKC and Miami finals, and I had no idea how they were calling the game it was all over the place on both sides after 2004 it got silly.
Yeah mess with KG. Go ahead, I'll be watching.
I'll watch too.
nice
you are gracious
It's not just the physicality that has gotten soft. It's the mentatility bro. Ain't no way players like Ben Simmons, Zion, Ja, and Jordan Poole would survive in the 90s NBA and older. Plus today's players just have more of a green light. Not necessarily skilled. You really think guys like Shaq couldn't dribble the ball? Lol
the mentality used to be tougher. I miss the trash talk getting nasty
Great video bro, it’s a big man’s sport. What do you mean by eat a corn dog ?
Thanks! It just means something to the effect of "go out and celebrate life" at least I think.
worst era is probably 1999-2002
the talent from the Kobe, AI, KG sort of drafts hadn't come to fruition yet and the guys who made the earlier 90s (Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley) had fallen off)
yup dead ball era.
The current is
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My opinion on the best era of the NBA has dropped
Sorry for the delay my opinion was delayed from a delay by the athletic NBA show.
Not only does this era have the most skilled guys but there's more competition than ever before. The talent pool from other countries have increased exponentially. Now US guys aren't just competing against each other for roster spots but they have to worry about international players more so than in prior eras
The NBA adopted a more Eurocentric approach to basketball in the 2010’s, hence the explosion of European players, with of course general improvement and development of basketball around the world.
exactly. everybody trying to be a pro hooper now.
More comp yes more skilled no. Better shooters yes, but I have seen how the new understanding of the"gather" step has greatly allowed for players to appear more skilled, as the adjustment on how carries are called. That change cannot be understated. Not to mention the lack of handchecking and no defensive 3. all that equates to much much easier offense. Plus the attempt at 'positionless' basketball. Players lose some skills in an attempt to gain others. Like post footwork is not as good among bigs. Handles appear better because carrying is rarely called. (i.e. I do consider Kyrie the greatest ball handler all time, but he does not carry most of the time). O and of course the increase in flopping.
6:18 Patrick is more skilled believe it or not. Gianni's doesn't have skills. Gianni's casually carries the ball. 6:41 shaq was glazing and being fake humble. Shaq clears Gianni's and i hate shaq
Giannis definitely is who he is at this point. I like that he's trying to develop the jumper though.
@@whatslaps IDC bout jumper but he takes it bad times or out of rhythm. It's like he thinks oh let me just add diversity to my chart rather than lane will be blocked let me fake accel pound into a rhythm pull up. He just doesn't do it naturally
Idk if you've done this before, and sorry if you have, but what about a video on Dynasties? You could compare Dynasties of different eras, or even talk about what is even considered a Dynasty. Like do you consider the Spurs of the early 2000s a dynasty, even though they never won back to back championships? Love your videos and I always look forward to your next one!
Edit: Also do people actually like dynasties or find them boring?
I know I've talked about it before. I think it was in a video about if Americans care about the NBA finals. I think I might do this idea, but include some other sports too. Like the Patriots and Yankees
The nba today is undoubtedly better both offensively and defensively. Teams today would destroy teams of past eras.
Exactly. Everything is on the way up in all sports.
So Bob Pettit isn’t the goat?
nah, but's he's for sure on mount rushmore.
how will this effect lebrons legacy
I almost ate a mid day pop-tart yesterday, but wasn't sure how it might affect Lebron's legacy so I passed on the snack.
Hi whatslaps
what's happenin?
KD fucked up our era
Cavs vs Warriors was AMAZING initially
relax
It cannot be the 2000s. I’m sorry.
I commented this before seeing a second of the video
no need to apologize :)
before I even watch
its the 2010's and it ain't even close
I see you. I see you.
Don’t try to pretend like hand checking isn’t still a thing. When was the last time you even remember a ref actually calling it? It happens all the time albeit maybe less imposing than when it was legal. Guys do a lot of little things like that though on defence to shift the ball handler’s momentum or just make an ever so small change in angle in order to force them to go to a spot they don’t want to.
offensive players are definitely getting better at exposing handcheckers. The foulbaiters vs the handcheckers.
Right before the warriors took off. I love the warriors but basketball games are borderline unwatchable after they broke the meta.
meta?
@@whatslaps the Meta game, the game within the game. Turns out shooting 3s at a higher percentage than everyone else really breaks the game.
Warriors actually played beautiful basketball, it was everyone trying to emulate them that made it unwatchable.
8:00 the league got soft, just admit it.
charmin soft