Just to confirm, Surface pro is a 2 in 1 laptop, we cant really compare with an Ipad, as we can run anything on a surface pro windows, and not on an Ipad. plus you said ssd is un removable...completely wrong. Ram is unremovable for sure, but ssd very easy to swap to another one. but thanks for the review.
Not really. It is very good touch compatible and many apps recognize if you are touch or pc mode. Plus WSL and WSA are working fully fine and have no real problem running android and linux application. It is superior to an ipad as tablet by a mile.(except for M4, more like M3 competitor). Ipad is very bad tablet. So much limited. With surface throwing it so hard in app compatibility. Only slight inconvenience is with switching apps.
@ I think it depends on your perspective. I see a tablet more as an accessory mobile device, not a computer replacement. In the decade or so that that Surface Pro has existed I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone have one without a keyboard. Why does that matter? Because to me, as soon as you need to add a keyboard and a mouse/touch pad to a tablet, you might as well be using a laptop. That’s what the Surface Pro was built for. It’s a laptop in the form factor of a tablet. The iPad is the opposite. It was designed to just be a tablet; a device that excels at content consumption, web browsing, and light productivity, like emails, note taking, and reading/annotating documents. I feel that it struggles when you add a keyboard to it and try to use it as a full computer, just as the Surface is too cumbersome when you take away the keyboard and use it just as I’ve described above.
I'm gonna switch from a Surface pro 8 to an iPad pro m4. I got the comparison due to a close friend of mine having an iPad and I'd say the iPad is better for a tablet usage (e.g. for students, taking notes, scanning documents etc.), since it has the better apps (GoodNotes, Procreate...) and the Surface is better for a more laptop like usage (e.g. for teachers creating presentations or doing that whole office stuff) since it runs on windows.
As both a Pro 5, iPad Pro (2020) and Pro 11 user, I guess I can support your statement. The iPad is great for note taking, watching videos and so on. It is not that great for more advanced productivity. iPad Pro is really held back by the software, as it in theory could run full on Mac software with great performance. For me the Pro 5 didn't have good enough performance and battery, and the iPad Pro had bad software. In the end I returned to the Pro 11 and I'm loving it. But I'm sure the iPad will be a good fit for the stuff you are using it for :)
Don't go with ipad pro. It's overkill for the tasks you said you're gonna do with ipad pro. M4 chip is a beast for sure, but ipad OS is a cage to leash the beast. You don't have such productivity with ipad os, just go with ipad air or just normal ipad.
just something to consider, but rear facing cameras on devices like this are important for field work. I know in construction, it can be very useful for work flow to be able to simply take a picture from the tablet
What's youtubers obsession with talking about drawing and video editing on laptop reviews? Normal people only care about web browsing, MS Office, media consumption, and maybe gaming
one would assume that in 2024 any laptop will be able to run MS Office and media consumption, would be like talking how a new iphone behaves during a phone call
@@CallMeKJOSwhich is better in terms of display I have just received my m4 MacBook Pro base model but have not opened it cause curious if the screen on it is better than the surface pro 11 oled? Just wondering if screen door after is as bad as people say and if u would recommend the surface pro 11 over the MacBook Pro?
I think the bezels are to allow you to hold the device in portrait without touching the display. My personal complaint about the device is the palm rejection. I am constantly getting accidental inputs when using it in landscape to watch videos.
Here's the thing. I use IOS. Everything I work on is apple. So, how would one incorporate Windows? Is there a 'pick up' option? How would I continue work from Windows to Apple? Id like to have at least one Window's device but I don't want it to collect dust as everything is connected via Apple.
I'm going to disagree, ipad pro is not a 2n1. It's a tablet that wants to be a laptop. I own a M2 ipad pro, it an amazing tablet. But at the end of the day, day it has amazing hardware. That is help back by a mobile OS, and mobile apps.
It's bright enough. Apple advertises 1000nits with 1600 peak. But they are using mini LED display. This is either OLED or IPS depending on X plus or X Elite chip. And light reflections prevent clear viewing so you need matte textured screen protector. In which case this is perfectly bright enough.
Perfect ending, iPad will never be a MacBook 💻…. It’s an iPad first and foremost, regardless of the Magic Keyboard. I for one, am okay with the iPad Pro and what it is or intended for.
@@CallMeKJOS Usually 2 in 1s are laptops that can also have tablet like functionality. But the iPad is 100 percent tablet that can use a keyboard. It’s not a computer. I’m hoping one day Apple makes a device like the surface. A 2 in 1 that runs macOS, that’d be phenomenal tbh
@@christianr.5868 true. But there are arguments that the M4 is better in terms of performance which it is but it’s still limited from its OS. My angle really is the windows can give tablet like functionality but it’s also a full computer
@@CallMeKJOS yeah the m4 is definitely better, but it’s held back by Apple unfortunately. They won’t allow programs like blender on it because it’s open source, you can’t run any of the major game engines on it. And let’s say you wanted to emulate older games. Well, even though the m4 is more powerful, its performance in emulators is nothing compared to the snapdragon because more powerful 3D emulators for systems like the Wii and ps2 need something called JiT to run efficiently. And Apple doesn’t allow the use of JiT because.. well they just don’t want to. It hurts virtualization badly too. So yeah, iPad has a lot of power, but only a handful of programs that take advantage of it
What are you talking about? Microsoft does not market Surface as an alternative to iPad at all. This is computer, iPad is tablet. Two very different machines. Learn something first, publish videos later 🙏
@@macmick I literally said this at the very beginning that people like YOU would say this. The surface pro is comparable to the iPad. There are tons of comparisons. It doesn’t take a genius to see that it’s market share they can capture.
@@macmickI think you're taking this literally, people compare the two all the time. Maxtech came out with a video and compared the two just recently. Microsoft did not outright market it as an ipad alternative but by default it still can exist in that space as well as a computer. So yes it is justified. The real problem lies with apple as they limit the software to run alternative apps from desktop despite the fact the m4 is powerful.
@@eds464 I have iPad and Surface, so I know very well what’s comparable, but that’s not the point. The author of this video doesn’t know facts and makes things up, that’s what I’m trying to point out.
Thanks for everyone pointing out the SSD is removable. My bad on that *
Major selling point of this over the ipad is the ability to have full sized desktop apps.
Yes!
major negative is it runs windows and terrible ms customer service.
operating system in general. however i dont view surface products as tablets. just detachable 2 in 1s
@@newfnshow031 ms customer service has been great for me, my rubber feet on my SL5 had issues and they sent a new pair for free in like a week or two
@@newfnshow031negative for you, plus for me
Just to confirm, Surface pro is a 2 in 1 laptop, we cant really compare with an Ipad, as we can run anything on a surface pro windows, and not on an Ipad.
plus you said ssd is un removable...completely wrong. Ram is unremovable for sure, but ssd very easy to swap to another one.
but thanks for the review.
In my opinion, the iPad is a great tablet but not a good laptop, and the surface pro is a great laptop but not a good tablet.
@@jayb8934 that’s one way to look at it.
Not really. It is very good touch compatible and many apps recognize if you are touch or pc mode.
Plus WSL and WSA are working fully fine and have no real problem running android and linux application.
It is superior to an ipad as tablet by a mile.(except for M4, more like M3 competitor).
Ipad is very bad tablet. So much limited.
With surface throwing it so hard in app compatibility.
Only slight inconvenience is with switching apps.
@ I think it depends on your perspective. I see a tablet more as an accessory mobile device, not a computer replacement. In the decade or so that that Surface Pro has existed I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone have one without a keyboard. Why does that matter? Because to me, as soon as you need to add a keyboard and a mouse/touch pad to a tablet, you might as well be using a laptop. That’s what the Surface Pro was built for. It’s a laptop in the form factor of a tablet. The iPad is the opposite. It was designed to just be a tablet; a device that excels at content consumption, web browsing, and light productivity, like emails, note taking, and reading/annotating documents. I feel that it struggles when you add a keyboard to it and try to use it as a full computer, just as the Surface is too cumbersome when you take away the keyboard and use it just as I’ve described above.
I'm gonna switch from a Surface pro 8 to an iPad pro m4. I got the comparison due to a close friend of mine having an iPad and I'd say the iPad is better for a tablet usage (e.g. for students, taking notes, scanning documents etc.), since it has the better apps (GoodNotes, Procreate...) and the Surface is better for a more laptop like usage (e.g. for teachers creating presentations or doing that whole office stuff) since it runs on windows.
As both a Pro 5, iPad Pro (2020) and Pro 11 user, I guess I can support your statement. The iPad is great for note taking, watching videos and so on. It is not that great for more advanced productivity. iPad Pro is really held back by the software, as it in theory could run full on Mac software with great performance. For me the Pro 5 didn't have good enough performance and battery, and the iPad Pro had bad software. In the end I returned to the Pro 11 and I'm loving it. But I'm sure the iPad will be a good fit for the stuff you are using it for :)
Don't go with ipad pro. It's overkill for the tasks you said you're gonna do with ipad pro. M4 chip is a beast for sure, but ipad OS is a cage to leash the beast. You don't have such productivity with ipad os, just go with ipad air or just normal ipad.
I love the surface pro and go series, accept the battery life historically. When a 5g consumer model drops, I'm in.
just something to consider, but rear facing cameras on devices like this are important for field work. I know in construction, it can be very useful for work flow to be able to simply take a picture from the tablet
What's youtubers obsession with talking about drawing and video editing on laptop reviews? Normal people only care about web browsing, MS Office, media consumption, and maybe gaming
Hey man. I speak from my perspective and the average consumer. I literally talk about how this is good for the things you mentioned.
one would assume that in 2024 any laptop will be able to run MS Office and media consumption, would be like talking how a new iphone behaves during a phone call
@@CallMeKJOSwhich is better in terms of display I have just received my m4 MacBook Pro base model but have not opened it cause curious if the screen on it is better than the surface pro 11 oled? Just wondering if screen door after is as bad as people say and if u would recommend the surface pro 11 over the MacBook Pro?
Keep doing these reviews. Also I would like to see the differences in video with the hardware between the surface pro, ipad pro, and MacBook air.
Will do bro! I’ll keep them coming
I think the bezels are to allow you to hold the device in portrait without touching the display. My personal complaint about the device is the palm rejection. I am constantly getting accidental inputs when using it in landscape to watch videos.
yeah i guess so! I do get those accidental touches too!
Also because of the improved camera + Windows hello as well as the magnets to tilt/lift the keyboard.
The ssd on the surface pro 11 is replaceable view via the slot cover on the back of the device
Yup. My bad on that. Could have sworn I saw unremovable when doing my research.
@@CallMeKJOSYou were likely looking at articles about older models there
@@MrMisticZ probably.
surface is a computer. The iPad10 gen is a tablet the iPad Pro is a computer held back by tablet software lol.
i will stick to the macbook series for Adobe app coz Snapdragon series still having bugs and i don't like it
Here's the thing. I use IOS. Everything I work on is apple. So, how would one incorporate Windows? Is there a 'pick up' option? How would I continue work from Windows to Apple? Id like to have at least one Window's device but I don't want it to collect dust as everything is connected via Apple.
Hard to Compare if you leave out the Apple Eco System ...
Ecosystem is transferable. You can get link to windows on iOS and iPad.
I'm going to disagree, ipad pro is not a 2n1. It's a tablet that wants to be a laptop. I own a M2 ipad pro, it an amazing tablet. But at the end of the day, day it has amazing hardware. That is help back by a mobile OS, and mobile apps.
Did he say only 500 nits?? 🤨🤨
It's bright enough. Apple advertises 1000nits with 1600 peak. But they are using mini LED display. This is either OLED or IPS depending on X plus or X Elite chip. And light reflections prevent clear viewing so you need matte textured screen protector. In which case this is perfectly bright enough.
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I don't believe you can use this for 7 hours continuously on battery. I've heard people are struggling for 5 hours and now like 4 hours.
@@chee_wai probably have different uses. Maybe brighter screen etc.
Perfect ending, iPad will never be a MacBook 💻…. It’s an iPad first and foremost, regardless of the Magic Keyboard. I for one, am okay with the iPad Pro and what it is or intended for.
@@COR0NAD0 agreed! Thanks for watching!
Is 32GB RAM is possible in this model?
It is
Only with the black colour model from windows store.
Were you able to get your iPhone to connect to the surface and display your texts?
Unfortunately Apple doesn't allow that. Android can do that though
The Pixel does
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Comparing Apple to Orange!!
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A $500 keyboard?!?
@@georgewashington3012 bruh
I need £200 more and I can buy this. Does anyone want to support a student with their studies?
The iPad is a tablet man, not a 2 in 1. Also the ssd can be changed very easily via a slot underneath the kickstand
If you add the keyboard no? It’s what I was going for.
@@CallMeKJOS Usually 2 in 1s are laptops that can also have tablet like functionality. But the iPad is 100 percent tablet that can use a keyboard. It’s not a computer. I’m hoping one day Apple makes a device like the surface. A 2 in 1 that runs macOS, that’d be phenomenal tbh
@@christianr.5868 true. But there are arguments that the M4 is better in terms of performance which it is but it’s still limited from its OS. My angle really is the windows can give tablet like functionality but it’s also a full computer
@@CallMeKJOS yeah the m4 is definitely better, but it’s held back by Apple unfortunately. They won’t allow programs like blender on it because it’s open source, you can’t run any of the major game engines on it. And let’s say you wanted to emulate older games. Well, even though the m4 is more powerful, its performance in emulators is nothing compared to the snapdragon because more powerful 3D emulators for systems like the Wii and ps2 need something called JiT to run efficiently. And Apple doesn’t allow the use of JiT because.. well they just don’t want to. It hurts virtualization badly too. So yeah, iPad has a lot of power, but only a handful of programs that take advantage of it
Let me simplify for both of you.
The Surface is a computer trying to be a tablet, while the iPad is a tablet trying to be a computer.
at this price I would just buy a MacBook. Far better product.
I'm not really fond of Apple but I agree with this
Wrong. To do half the stuff the windows can do on the macbook air, you'd need to buy The ipad. Then you've got 2 devices that cost nearly double.
@@newfnshow031 this isn't targeted to rival the Mac, it's the same logic as with the iPad. At the price of iPad why would anyone but it.
The MacBook doesn't have next gen cutting edge features like multiple monitor support or a touch screen.
@@willbuschmannyup, surface pro 11 is the best laptop for artists. Mac needs a whole cintiq to match it
Why would you call it a flap - didn't you research more about the device?
lol it’s called being funny. Of course it’s a kick stand. Smh
0/10 does not get a joke.
@@rowaystarco 😂😂
What are you talking about? Microsoft does not market Surface as an alternative to iPad at all. This is computer, iPad is tablet. Two very different machines. Learn something first, publish videos later 🙏
@@macmick I literally said this at the very beginning that people like YOU would say this. The surface pro is comparable to the iPad. There are tons of comparisons. It doesn’t take a genius to see that it’s market share they can capture.
@@CallMeKJOS So you literally lied because Microsoft never marketed Surface as iPad alternative.
@@macmickI think you're taking this literally, people compare the two all the time. Maxtech came out with a video and compared the two just recently.
Microsoft did not outright market it as an ipad alternative but by default it still can exist in that space as well as a computer. So yes it is justified.
The real problem lies with apple as they limit the software to run alternative apps from desktop despite the fact the m4 is powerful.
@@eds464 I have iPad and Surface, so I know very well what’s comparable, but that’s not the point. The author of this video doesn’t know facts and makes things up, that’s what I’m trying to point out.
iPad pro actually came after Surface Pro. But for pro use it can absolutely be an alternative to iPad Pro.
450-500 for JUST the keyboard? What? That's nuts. Also, love the accent!