True, in the first 5 years I didn't care about reading and focused on listening. nearly 5 years I mainly listened without speaking much myself, so when I took some lessons on italki after 5 years to finally "learn to speak", my teachers all said that I talk like a japanese, they can't hear an accent and the way I talk is natural. Everyone was surprised, but I was the one surprised the most because I started my italki lessons with the exception that I am a noob when it comes to speaking and probably have an accent and unnatural talking.
Amazing video i totally thought this video was gonna be something completely different based off the title but i completely agree i kicked subs after the first month or two its a pain but real life doesn't have crutches
I've been doing this from the very start. I don't understand like 90% and subtitles narrow it to like 80% because I'm still a beginner even though I'm learning for a few months now. I don't know many kanji and when I watch, captions take my attention instead of audio. So I use a mindset that when I'll be able to understand the sound, I'll sit down and learn the rest of kanji.
i agree that doing pure listening is usually super overlooked and a lot of people find excuses to avoid doing it, but in my very brief experience of doing it (i should do more tbh lol) it is very rewarding when i understand purely by hearing and i genuinely feel like i am tapping into a part of my head that doesn't usually get enough "workouts" done. i don't literally feel it in my head but it feels like i almost will. idk if that makes sense. i think i genuinely need to try watching anime i like that i've already seen, without the subs. it's honestly so goated.
For podcast on RUclips Yuyu no Nihongo podcast is great, especially for gamers as he talks about geek stuff sometimes. He does provide hard coded subtitles. What I do is pure listening and try to pick words that come often.
i recommend a podcast called yuyuの日本語ポッドキャスト which is very good for around n3+ ~n2 level to up your listening skills. yuyuさん has a lot of interesting stories and speaks super clearly (for me a little bit to slow tho so i listen at 1.3x - also recommend). also you can learn other things than japanese itself thru his stories for reading material i think the best book to start with is また同じ夢を見ていた. its told from a primary schooler's perspective so the vocabulary usage is not so refined yet but i did learn a whole lot of words on the first read (i'd reccomend to people around lower n3 ~ n3 to up their vocab to progress further) rn im reading a book called 向日葵の咲かない夏 which is freaking awesome tho its a little bit more difficult but its surely a recommendation
The trick to developing good pronunciation isn't waiting forever to start speaking. It's studying pronunciation in depth and making it a high priority. The sooner you do this the better your pronunciation will be. When I studied German and went to Germany I noticed right away that my American R sound was an embarrassing dead give away not only that I was American but it made my German sound pretty bad to anyone. I decided one day to make it a priority and experimented with different R sounds or tongue positions in my mouth until I got a very different R sound. It was actually painful at first but that went away after a day or so. If I had just not spoken for years and years I don't think that would have helped anything at all. I was just a beginner but I was absolutely able to focus and improve my pronunciation just fine. I didn't move on to doing all the sounds although it would have been nice if I did because no matter how much listening I did it didn't seem to change my pronunciation much. Only direct deliberate study did. And you can start doing that immediately. It's also really boring so unless it's embarrassing like my American R sound was you might choose not to do it like me but don't deceive yourself into thinking that you're really doing yourself a favor. You're not.
¡igual que yo! aunque ahora empecé a aprender japonés con dicho método. Subjunctive is hard at first but the more exposure you get, the more it makes sense and the more of an intuition you build. Good luck with Spanish!
Livakivi is actually the living proof that immersing in video content with subtitles on won't make you bad at listening. I recommend to watch his 5 years update video
I feel like there’s a balance. I mix it up now - I do it with and without subs. Livakivi is right - sometimes not having subtitles can make it so that you begin hearing words wrong. So you want to be a little bit careful
This is literally the mistakes I've been doing for years, recently I even stopped reading one piece manga and started watching the anime instead cause reading sucks. I'm still using japanese subtitles tho... If there's stuff i can't find subbed i'll just go in raw at least
I’ve started reading the One piece manga for the opposite reason lol, I’ve been doing pure listening for six months and was thinking of starting one piece to improve my reading…now I don’t know what to think lol 😅
The only way to improve it is by speaking to the REAL native speaker, if you speak to a foreigner then your level will just be the same as they're lrvel
Improvement in what aspect? Vocab, grammar, listening comprehension? Even for people who are good at those things, it takes a few hundreds of hours to combine all these language skills into natural sounding output.
@@coolbrotherf127 whole process takes thousands of hours, you’re going to be listening for a long time, but yes generally going to improve all those things
you don't need to hire a teacher just for grammar because you will learn it intuitively as you come across various different grammar patterns during immersion. However making a Japanese friend or two could be a better alternative if you want instant feedback in a conversation.
@@SamuelBolton-27 Thanks for the confidence boost! I agree on simple grammer and basic particle use like は, が or に, but for more complex sentece structures like relative clause, its not bad to get external help. I made some good experiences with privates teachers and have been learning Japanese since 2015, so it would be great to speed up the process a little.
Unfortunately this ungodly language is unreadable without a shit ton of practice, no matter how much you do listening. So you kinda have to pick your poison. In my case, my listening is a lot better than my reading cause I barely do reading immersion compared to listening.
Yo if any of you are in here seriously studying Japanese, the worst thing you could possibly be doing is spending time watching videos like this. If you read, you will get far more out of it than watching a video in English about how listening is better than reading.
I found Japanese cooking videos on RUclips to be really entertaining for me. (RUclips is good if you make a separate Japanese account)
Did the exact thing lol
True, in the first 5 years I didn't care about reading and focused on listening. nearly 5 years I mainly listened without speaking much myself, so when I took some lessons on italki after 5 years to finally "learn to speak", my teachers all said that I talk like a japanese, they can't hear an accent and the way I talk is natural. Everyone was surprised, but I was the one surprised the most because I started my italki lessons with the exception that I am a noob when it comes to speaking and probably have an accent and unnatural talking.
Amazing video i totally thought this video was gonna be something completely different based off the title but i completely agree i kicked subs after the first month or two its a pain but real life doesn't have crutches
hope you recover well from your sickness
I mostly immerse by reading which is indeed painful but I feel it sticks better than by just listening
I've been doing this from the very start. I don't understand like 90% and subtitles narrow it to like 80% because I'm still a beginner even though I'm learning for a few months now. I don't know many kanji and when I watch, captions take my attention instead of audio. So I use a mindset that when I'll be able to understand the sound, I'll sit down and learn the rest of kanji.
i agree that doing pure listening is usually super overlooked and a lot of people find excuses to avoid doing it, but in my very brief experience of doing it (i should do more tbh lol) it is very rewarding when i understand purely by hearing and i genuinely feel like i am tapping into a part of my head that doesn't usually get enough "workouts" done. i don't literally feel it in my head but it feels like i almost will. idk if that makes sense. i think i genuinely need to try watching anime i like that i've already seen, without the subs. it's honestly so goated.
ik what u mean by the ''workout'' thing bro. fr feels so good lol
For podcast on RUclips Yuyu no Nihongo podcast is great, especially for gamers as he talks about geek stuff sometimes.
He does provide hard coded subtitles.
What I do is pure listening and try to pick words that come often.
lots of japanese people speak very softly too i went to japan and had a hard time hearing anything anyone was saying unless i was next to them
i recommend a podcast called yuyuの日本語ポッドキャスト which is very good for around n3+ ~n2 level to up your listening skills. yuyuさん has a lot of interesting stories and speaks super clearly (for me a little bit to slow tho so i listen at 1.3x - also recommend). also you can learn other things than japanese itself thru his stories
for reading material i think the best book to start with is また同じ夢を見ていた. its told from a primary schooler's perspective so the vocabulary usage is not so refined yet but i did learn a whole lot of words on the first read (i'd reccomend to people around lower n3 ~ n3 to up their vocab to progress further)
rn im reading a book called 向日葵の咲かない夏 which is freaking awesome tho its a little bit more difficult but its surely a recommendation
The trick to developing good pronunciation isn't waiting forever to start speaking. It's studying pronunciation in depth and making it a high priority. The sooner you do this the better your pronunciation will be. When I studied German and went to Germany I noticed right away that my American R sound was an embarrassing dead give away not only that I was American but it made my German sound pretty bad to anyone. I decided one day to make it a priority and experimented with different R sounds or tongue positions in my mouth until I got a very different R sound. It was actually painful at first but that went away after a day or so. If I had just not spoken for years and years I don't think that would have helped anything at all. I was just a beginner but I was absolutely able to focus and improve my pronunciation just fine. I didn't move on to doing all the sounds although it would have been nice if I did because no matter how much listening I did it didn't seem to change my pronunciation much. Only direct deliberate study did. And you can start doing that immediately. It's also really boring so unless it's embarrassing like my American R sound was you might choose not to do it like me but don't deceive yourself into thinking that you're really doing yourself a favor. You're not.
This is the comprehensible input theory I follow to learn Spanish
¡igual que yo! aunque ahora empecé a aprender japonés con dicho método. Subjunctive is hard at first but the more exposure you get, the more it makes sense and the more of an intuition you build. Good luck with Spanish!
Cuando sabes español y japonés, no sabes cómo reaccionar al escuchar: "¡dame, dame!"
Es un problema.
Livakivi is actually the living proof that immersing in video content with subtitles on won't make you bad at listening. I recommend to watch his 5 years update video
I feel like there’s a balance. I mix it up now - I do it with and without subs.
Livakivi is right - sometimes not having subtitles can make it so that you begin hearing words wrong. So you want to be a little bit careful
You can also make what you’re watching more comprehensible by watching with English sub then watching again in pure Japanese with no subtitles.
3:12 yomitan
Should have added podcasts at the end. Enough beginner stuff to advanced out there and it's easy input during commutes or chores
This is literally the mistakes I've been doing for years, recently I even stopped reading one piece manga and started watching the anime instead cause reading sucks. I'm still using japanese subtitles tho... If there's stuff i can't find subbed i'll just go in raw at least
I’ve started reading the One piece manga for the opposite reason lol, I’ve been doing pure listening for six months and was thinking of starting one piece to improve my reading…now I don’t know what to think lol 😅
What do you think about Mikel Hyperpolyglot?
Can this also improve speaking? Ive been doing AJATT for 5 years now and it has improved my japanese but my speaking skills still needs improvement.
The only way to improve it is by speaking to the REAL native speaker, if you speak to a foreigner then your level will just be the same as they're lrvel
Yup I think I mentioned it but your level of output is directly correlated to your pure listening
Improvement in what aspect? Vocab, grammar, listening comprehension? Even for people who are good at those things, it takes a few hundreds of hours to combine all these language skills into natural sounding output.
@@coolbrotherf127 whole process takes thousands of hours, you’re going to be listening for a long time, but yes generally going to improve all those things
Try writing maybe. If you are good at reading enough then try writing online on different things. Maybe through that your ability to speak will expand
I read manga at least 2 hours a day, just because i enjoy it, when i try to watch anime i can't do more then 3-4 eps a day, doesn't please me at all
You inspired me to binge watch 100 episodes of Ainori in japanese. In the near future I will probably get a private teacher to learn grammar.
you don't need to hire a teacher just for grammar because you will learn it intuitively as you come across various different grammar patterns during immersion. However making a Japanese friend or two could be a better alternative if you want instant feedback in a conversation.
@@SamuelBolton-27 Thanks for the confidence boost! I agree on simple grammer and basic particle use like は, が or に, but for more complex sentece structures like relative clause, its not bad to get external help. I made some good experiences with privates teachers and have been learning Japanese since 2015, so it would be great to speed up the process a little.
Unfortunately this ungodly language is unreadable without a shit ton of practice, no matter how much you do listening. So you kinda have to pick your poison. In my case, my listening is a lot better than my reading cause I barely do reading immersion compared to listening.
Where do you watch anime with japanese subs?
animelon
video suggests you do the opposite though
@@---------------24569 is it animelon a website? Yt deleted my first comment
Yo if any of you are in here seriously studying Japanese, the worst thing you could possibly be doing is spending time watching videos like this. If you read, you will get far more out of it than watching a video in English about how listening is better than reading.
Not doing enough listening practice is consistently listed as one of the biggest regrets amongst long term language learners.
@@kimchi2093 not doing anything is worse
I’ve said in my videos before that if you’re actually ajatting then stop watching my videos
@@Jordan-Ramses Actually learning Japanese seems a lot more useful than watching videos about the “best” way to study Japanese
@Liam-lv7iv does it make you angry that I'm learning Japanese and it's not painful? I'm just having fun. Meanwhile you're suffering and sweating.