Well, most modern GPUs are literally space-heaters with a video output 😂, my MSI gaming x RX 480 came with a bios that makes use of said radiator, regularly hitting 200W+, on cold winter days my ITX build literally warms my feet!
@@Waszabi900 Helicopter? Must be nice, mine sounds like it's space ready. If you think about it, 80C is 176F so might aswell cook some eggs while you game.
I feel like doing a comparision between cpus with integrated graphics from different eras would be good follow up to this as more modern integrated gpus do better than these old cards.
Igpu can be better than modern low end egpus, amd just doesn't choose to do that for some reason. U get high end performance with console apus, but desktop apus are still stuck with that crappy vega architecture.
Not sure where else to notify you about this, but I recently found out that Dota 2 is dropping support for DX9 and OGL in the coming months. Frankly, I didn't even know it supported them in the first place. It might be worth running some tests to see if older cards meant for these APIs can even run Dota at a decent FPS nowadays.
If the updated version of Dota 2 will use Vulkan, these older cards are still good to go. Because Vulkan itself doesn't really require specific new cards to run. Let's say if those card can Theoretically support GLES 3.1 that means it can run Vulkan API for Dota 2.
I used Vulkan in A8-7650k, DX11 support from A- 5000 APU series and above can use Fidelity FX on that game and endure a bit. Vulkan use the whole machine at Linux, so older APUs are useless just in that OS.
@@TheMilkManCow Driver doesn't mean anything because API support is Hard-Coded into the GPU chip itself. You cannot overwrite it. More like Dx11 GPU is permanently like that and cannot play Dx12 games even if the driver is updated
Thank you for putting a smile on my face everytime I see one of your videos. I have been loving them since you were in the 5-6k subscriber range. You are a delightful person and I love how you appreciate and cover tech!
Wow!!! I love how this was presented and how you had afterburner centered in between each of the 3 games. The way you synced everything was super well done and this presentation was excellent!! So cool!! Love the channel. Been a fan since around 80k subs. so cool to see you grow!
4350 was a budget card when it was released, but it benefited from memory prices going down, so it has more memory then 3650 which was previous generation mid-high tier.
Ive come to realise over the past few months that you should totally throw OG halo 3 on 'Original' settings into your benchmarks as ive noticed that the game runs well on pretty much anything in the past decade (so long as you keep settings to original and possibly 720p). Its a good tester for old hardware as mere dual cores can run even halo 4 as ive noticed with my small celeron PC. actually a very well optimized series as a whole now that I think of the other games in MCC!
@@nahrafe If people realized just how lean an OS can actually run, they wouldn't feel as compelled to keep buying the latest and greatest hardware to keep doing the same thing they had been doing. That's why I love Linux, because many distros run incredibly lean and breath new life into older hardware.
i went out and bought two hd 5770s (before the shortage lol) for 10 bucks each on ebay i don't know why i just love these old cards, especially the xfx blower variant, albeit the bastard child of the collective models lol
I had 5670 till like 3 months ago, upgraded to 2GB RX 560 for like 120 dollars. My younger brother still has HD 5570, playing on 1080p. I had better FPS with my 5670 because I played on 768p. It is a great compromise between FPS and visuals, but i would prefer 900p.
4350 was a budget card when it was released, but it benefited from memory prices going down, so it has more memory then 3650 which was previous generation mid-high tier.
I mean, if I was in a situation of "not playing games" and "playing games on a 5$ card" . I would've be happy with one of these. :) I've been playing around with my mother's AMD Turion II laptop with a HD4200. And although It can't play everything, I was amazed that it can actually play a lot of great games, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin, Ion Fury, GZDoom, Rayman Legends, Ikaruga, Outrun 2006, Flatout2, Jet Set Radio, Psychonauts etc. Sure, sometimes at custom lower resolution (like 848x480, 960x540, 1066x600) sometimes 60fps, sometimes 30fps, but still, there's a lot of fun to be had with aging hardware. :) But yeah, keep expectations in check and be mindful of OS compatibility.
Had the same laptop setup as you until the graphics went "belly up" on it! I managed to revive it for a few months more using the old heat gun to the zonked out graphics chip trick, but now its completely down for the count! It's not worth getting a new board for it. You are right in that it really surprised me in the games it was capable of playing. I do have a few other old laptops with busted screens that I turned into desktops that are not so bad at playing especially the "oldie but goodie" games! I have plenty of those to keep me busy if need be. Some are WAY better than some games that they create today! Be well!! 👍👍
@@arthurmann578 that is awesome! yeah, I am starting to do this as well. We have an electronics recycle bin in conjunction to our apartment block, although "illegal", I tend to re-purpose what people throw away. giving the devices a second life amongst family and friends and "friends of friends". Just to reduce the amount of e-waste we create. I often rebuild laptops as desktops, it's very creative and fun. I don't earn anything except when selling to "friends of friends" but usually it's only for the time I spent fixing them up. But it feels good. latest find was a 7th gen core i3 with a GTX1050TI (!!!) last time it was a 4th gen i7 with a GTX760. but yeah I have definitely across older stuff as well. an SSD, and sometimes Linux is used as a saving grace :) Anyway, I totally agree with you. Old games are great. PC gaming is SO much more than playing the latest stuff!
@@PixelShade Those were real good finds! Before they started forcing us in the city to bring our electronics to special recycling facilities, which are so damn far away, I would go out on recycling nights and find tons of PCs' that people would put out on the curb! I used to look forward to those nights. I also got real good walking exercise that kept my bad back in check...as long as I did not pick up anything too heavy. I actually carried a small dollie (spelling?) with wheels and large elastic tie down bands for transporting back home when I had a good find. I miss doing that even though some neighborhoods I chanced upon are "sketchy" where I live. I don't think I would do that anymore though, since crime is just too rampant these days because of the Covid bullsh*t. I actually did get lucky a year ago as someone actually dumped a PC on my front lawn in filthy and a sorry state! I actually managed to clean and repair it! It has an older ASUS motherboard with an i7-920 first gen CPU and an ASUS GTX 780 ti with 3GB video ram and 8GB system ram. It runs games really well even though the 780 ti runs with enough wattage to heat my room in the winter and give my air conditioner a workout in the summer! 😄
You can achieve nearly 60FPS in Skyrim on HD3650 If you tweak some settings in xml file like completely disabling shadows (which are glitched anyway) and reflections or reducing distant objects draw distance. Same with GTA V, disable shadows and reflections and that should give at least 30FPS on average.
They say that Doom is eternal, but in reality, it is Skyrim that prevails. Bethesda really made a game that people play again and again, do different things, try different mods, etc. And for how buggy the engine can be, it can be tweaked in either direction for hardware far slower and faster than thought. You can reduce things like lighting, draw distance and shadows to run it on a potato, but also far extend the settings and add some reshade and mods to vastly improve the visuals.
lol. you got the max performance each card could get (because i5 bottleneck). They are still ok if you want to play "very" old titles and feel the nostalgia. Great video! Keep it up!
I love this deep digging stuff - though my retro passion I suppose is in older systems. I had a graphics card die recently (2021 purchased WX5100, sigh), possibly because I was pushing an ancient Mac Pro (1,1) too far with it - though the computer/cpu/everything else is fine. I love watching you torture some of these cards - and it also almost pokes fun at our disposable computer culture when these cards hang in there. People buy 1030s... which this market hasn't inflated at all - partially because that damned 3650 would smoke it, LOL.
You should start using Arma 2 in your older machine testing, this beast from 2009 was notoriously hard game to run. It also has multiple demanding and consistent benchmarks
So, not too long ago I bought an overclocking-oriented Gigabyte board with a Q6600, 8GB and an HD 7750 for $20. The real reason I bought it was it had one of those fancy Zalman tunnel type coolers. With a bit of tweaking, it wasn't too bad at all. The 7750 is roughly equivalent to a GTX 650 and I was easily able to get the 6600 up to 3.2 GHz using the Zalman cooler. Overall not terribly much slower than my Ryzen 3100 + GTX 650 rig which was my slowest rig at the time and after putting a GTX 660 in the Q6600, it was almost a usable system. Sometimes that older gear really impresses.
Great video! But i noticed something here, the nvidia 310 never exceeded 40 degrees, the other card were around 50-70 degrees is there headroom for overclocking on the 310 then? that would be interesting to see if there were a difference after oc on the 310 thanks for this video!
Possibly yes, though I don’t think there’s much performance to be gained. I know other budget cards like the 710 can exhibit big differences with overclocking though
@@Impractically If the 310 was the passive card, strapping a fan to it should give headroom even with oc, and some of the cut down cards can do quite the OC. I got my passive 7300 GT from 400 MHz to 640 MHzt back in the day. That's a 60% oc and made it come quite close to a 7600 GS. Imagine doing that nowadays. Taking a 2060 and clocking it to perform within an inch to a 2080
What might be interesting would be a video of games where you can get a good experience. Like indy titles, classic games (half life 2?) and so on. What can you do with a £5 GPU?
NimeZ AMD Radeon Driver might be worth testing on the hd 4000 & hd 3000 cards, some bug fixes & performance issues gets optimized as well. Think ive been subscribed here since late 2016 or so.
I really enjoy this kinda stuff! I have an old 5770 kicking around I'd be curious to see how that performs these days. Do you want it? Also if love to see some older older games like doom 3 or glad life 2 and maybe Crysis in the benchmarks. PC gaming isn't just for the newest releases after all!
I think I commented this before, but that skyrim shadow glitch can be fixed by changing some shadow settings in the .ini file (I believe you have to turn of terrain shadows. Not sure though. Has been a long time).
I used to have a GT 705 :D i luckily bought a rx 570 last year for 90€, the owner wanted to sell because he had already bought a rtx 3070. You wouldn't believe the massive difference it made
Interesting video, would have been nice to have an older integrated graphics added to the comparison, such as the integrates graphics with an Intel 4th gen.
I honestly think that the glitches are not a driver issue, as I expected that the powerhouse that is 3650 will easily outperform the other two where gpu power is needed, yet fall flat when the other two get the chance to flex their mighty frame buffer. Most of those glitches are probably due to the inability to squeeze the textures into vram.
I upgraded to 11 yesterday, expecting dire problems found it was an absolute breeze and the machine is super fiesty with crisp responses, am actually quite impressed, been burning the midnight oil on Age of Empires 4 plus WoW:SL with a bit o' LotRO but looking forward to Forza Horizon 5 which is just round the corner to release :D
720p is a bit much for this class of card. Back when I had a Passively cooled 6450 I would primarily play games at 800x600 with the xrandr scaling mode property set to Full aspect so that it would retain 4:3 when Fullscreen rather than stretching out to 16:9. Did okay for what I needed at the time, but oh boy was finally moving onto a card that could do 1080p at the time exciting.
960x540 and 640x360 would be similar in size and 16:9, and not only that, they 1/2 and 1/3 of 1920x1080 per axis, so the scaling should be relatively artifact free. They're my go to resolutions for older games that don't do well with big resolutions.
I gotta ask man. From content creator to content creator. Did you have an issues with your HD 3650? I have gone through 5 different ones recently and it just feels like they are cursed!
It may just be me but the Nvidia card seems to have slightly muted colors. Did you notice this when playing or is this just due to my perception/the recording?
I remember the gaming PC my Dad got me when I won all my debate tournaments. He wasn’t expecting I’d win ALL OF THEM. But he is a man of his word. So he got me whatever I wanted. It was a high end pre built. Origin Genesis. I doubt it’d even work for shit these days.
Just got a PNY GTX 1060 6gb video card, in preperation I updated the bios & installed a fresh copy of windows 10, installed the GPU and booted to black screen (multiple times) switched cords back to integrated to find the video card isn't showing in the device manager, showing hidden did nothing. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here, I just want to play Diablo 2 Resurrected...
The hd3650 512 was the graphics card of my childhood, I still have it today and I use it for composite video output. The terrible terrascale drivers really suck, not only for the 3000 and 4000 but also for the 5000 6000 series.
I remember playing Wolfenstein (2009) and Serious Sam 3 on a Sapphire HD3650. The board surpassed my expectations, despite 15 fps in the last stage of SS3.
Oh the Yes. The ATI Asus Radeon HD 4350 512mb. I had that card back in 2009/10. It wasn't my main. But it was fun to play with. I think I had a GTX 260 used. Back then too.
Your problems with downloading the 100 GB for GTA V could be moved around by making a "backup" in Steam and "restoring" that on the other system. Steam even has the function integrated. So having a spare drive with all the stuff you benchmark would come in handy.
For console emulation something like FFX on PS2 and Wind Waker on Gamecube (FF12 and Twilight Princess might push it a bit too far). Both games are quite optimised on their corresponding emulators and should be around where the cards start to struggle. PS1/N64 should run without issues, those can be emulated even on way weaker systems.
Imagine If we could use these old GPU on the Win10 as It will save a lot of $$$$ from buying used or new Cards that is needed these days. I hope that the GPU in the mid of next year or mostly 2023 would be resolved or Intel new cards will make a miracle and close the gap. Like always as enjoy the videos you show and wish you the best always.
the gpu in the middle looks pretty cool with that girl on the cover. reminds me of the old ps1 and 2 era and how they presented their games back then ^^.
Other games that would be interesting to test would be Borderlands 2 or Doom 2016. The former is from around the time the cards came out and the later runs great even on my Core 2/GTX 660 Ti rig.
It would be interesting to see these budget cards tested on the Windows version they were made for and also on a Linux distribution with Proton to see how they do.
So 2008/09 cards on XP and 7 vs 10, that sounds pretty nice. I have some machines with 98/XP and XP/7 respectively and noticed that especially older games and benchmarks tend to give better results on the older system.
my IT teacher at collage still has a radeon 7000 gpu from 2001 i think it was, we talked about old hardware for a while after he showed all the old hardware he still has
that hd3650 brings back old memories it was my first gpu on my first pc back in 2009 (hp prebuild with pentium D and 2x512mb ddr2 ram) it runs nfs carbon and cod mw2 like a champ back then
When your gpu looks like a radiator, you're in for a treat!
😂
🤣🤣🤣
Well, most modern GPUs are literally space-heaters with a video output 😂, my MSI gaming x RX 480 came with a bios that makes use of said radiator, regularly hitting 200W+, on cold winter days my ITX build literally warms my feet!
rtx 3000: ikr
@@Waszabi900 Helicopter? Must be nice, mine sounds like it's space ready.
If you think about it, 80C is 176F so might aswell cook some eggs while you game.
I feel like doing a comparision between cpus with integrated graphics from different eras would be good follow up to this as more modern integrated gpus do better than these old cards.
Lol
Igpu can be better than modern low end egpus, amd just doesn't choose to do that for some reason. U get high end performance with console apus, but desktop apus are still stuck with that crappy vega architecture.
@@dontmatter4423 no bandwith no power
Good call. Got an I5 4440 and 8gb ram in a spare build so will try that very thing soon.
@@dontmatter4423 Its almost like a console is built for one purpose 🤔
Not sure where else to notify you about this, but I recently found out that Dota 2 is dropping support for DX9 and OGL in the coming months. Frankly, I didn't even know it supported them in the first place. It might be worth running some tests to see if older cards meant for these APIs can even run Dota at a decent FPS nowadays.
If the updated version of Dota 2 will use Vulkan, these older cards are still good to go.
Because Vulkan itself doesn't really require specific new cards to run. Let's say if those card can Theoretically support GLES 3.1 that means it can run Vulkan API for Dota 2.
I used Vulkan in A8-7650k, DX11 support from A- 5000 APU series and above can use Fidelity FX on that game and endure a bit. Vulkan use the whole machine at Linux, so older APUs are useless just in that OS.
@@ClayWheeler That's theoretically true but it would require driver support from the manufacturer.
@@TheMilkManCow Driver doesn't mean anything because API support is Hard-Coded into the GPU chip itself.
You cannot overwrite it.
More like Dx11 GPU is permanently like that and cannot play Dx12 games even if the driver is updated
oi bro, gib automation vid @Sliphantom
Thank you for putting a smile on my face everytime I see one of your videos. I have been loving them since you were in the 5-6k subscriber range. You are a delightful person and I love how you appreciate and cover tech!
Thanks for sticking around all this time :)
You're Acc Is Like 1 Year Old ... ._.
@@Sangeeth_5936 I made a new account, I used to have another one.
@@thestud-baker4912 😄that sums it up
I just bought a gtx 550 ti for 2,40 Euros, thats my gpu right now
Lets hope better days are coming bois :')
how the
what a deal!
Bruh damn this silicon crunch is too heavy for gamers
bruh a 550 for 3 euros? did you buy it non-tested or as used?
tbh that is unbeatable price to performance ratio right there lol
01:13 man that quote made you a PCMR legend for me
Having Ruby on your GPU adds like 10 FPS.
3:15 "Can't even count to three anymore..."
Don't worry, man. Gabe Newell can't count to three either, and everybody still loves him.
could you keep doing this but doubling the cost each time
We'd reach £99999999 eventually lol
yeah good idea haha
@@izakomandaz2895 modern day orice of a new gt210
Loved the shot at valve at 3:16 xD keep up the good work!
Great job. I love cheap stuff getting tested from a current point of view.
Wow!!! I love how this was presented and how you had afterburner centered in between each of the 3 games. The way you synced everything was super well done and this presentation was excellent!! So cool!! Love the channel. Been a fan since around 80k subs. so cool to see you grow!
Try forcing win7 drivers to install on 10, surprisingly it helps (most of the time). I got a 6800gt to work that way once
4350 was a budget card when it was released, but it benefited from memory prices going down, so it has more memory then 3650 which was previous generation mid-high tier.
Ive come to realise over the past few months that you should totally throw OG halo 3 on 'Original' settings into your benchmarks as ive noticed that the game runs well on pretty much anything in the past decade (so long as you keep settings to original and possibly 720p). Its a good tester for old hardware as mere dual cores can run even halo 4 as ive noticed with my small celeron PC. actually a very well optimized series as a whole now that I think of the other games in MCC!
Pure dual cores or dual cores with HT? Cause that can make quite the difference.
That said, original Crysis can still be interesting to test.
All these HD series cards perform better in Window 7. Like, 10% or higher uplift.
Having 20 or 22 fps doesn't make much of a difference.
@@steve81937 its free
I miss windows 7.. beautiful, well optimized, overall a good OS. If only Microsoft could bring it all back in one..
@@nahrafe But what about all data collection system which is probably why performance is better in Win7.
@@nahrafe If people realized just how lean an OS can actually run, they wouldn't feel as compelled to keep buying the latest and greatest hardware to keep doing the same thing they had been doing. That's why I love Linux, because many distros run incredibly lean and breath new life into older hardware.
It's good to see you're appealing to the budget conscious members of your viewership. Thank you, your sacrifice has been noted :)
Nice. Could you find a 5450 for £5? Same class of performance, but should have more up to date drivers and DX11 support.
It would be pretty cool to see these overclocked to squeeze every last drop of power and if that would change some games from playable or not
i went out and bought two hd 5770s (before the shortage lol) for 10 bucks each on ebay
i don't know why
i just love these old cards, especially the xfx blower variant, albeit the bastard child of the collective models lol
In my country these 5770 are selling for about 30$ great pandemic times
i am currently trying out the "fastest" GPU from 2006, the ATI X1900XT. works good even in Windows 11 so far.
I had a 4350 back in 2011 and it treated me well enough with the games that came out at the time.
I had 5670 till like 3 months ago, upgraded to 2GB RX 560 for like 120 dollars. My younger brother still has HD 5570, playing on 1080p. I had better FPS with my 5670 because I played on 768p. It is a great compromise between FPS and visuals, but i would prefer 900p.
4350 was a budget card when it was released, but it benefited from memory prices going down, so it has more memory then 3650 which was previous generation mid-high tier.
i Salute you for your passion on Witty Retro Techno Journalism!!!
I mean, if I was in a situation of "not playing games" and "playing games on a 5$ card" . I would've be happy with one of these. :) I've been playing around with my mother's AMD Turion II laptop with a HD4200. And although It can't play everything, I was amazed that it can actually play a lot of great games, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin, Ion Fury, GZDoom, Rayman Legends, Ikaruga, Outrun 2006, Flatout2, Jet Set Radio, Psychonauts etc. Sure, sometimes at custom lower resolution (like 848x480, 960x540, 1066x600) sometimes 60fps, sometimes 30fps, but still, there's a lot of fun to be had with aging hardware. :) But yeah, keep expectations in check and be mindful of OS compatibility.
Had the same laptop setup as you until the graphics went "belly up" on it! I managed to revive it for a few months more using the old heat gun to the zonked out graphics chip trick, but now its completely down for the count! It's not worth getting a new board for it. You are right in that it really surprised me in the games it was capable of playing. I do have a few other old laptops with busted screens that I turned into desktops that are not so bad at playing especially the "oldie but goodie" games! I have plenty of those to keep me busy if need be. Some are WAY better than some games that they create today! Be well!! 👍👍
@@arthurmann578 that is awesome! yeah, I am starting to do this as well. We have an electronics recycle bin in conjunction to our apartment block, although "illegal", I tend to re-purpose what people throw away. giving the devices a second life amongst family and friends and "friends of friends". Just to reduce the amount of e-waste we create. I often rebuild laptops as desktops, it's very creative and fun. I don't earn anything except when selling to "friends of friends" but usually it's only for the time I spent fixing them up. But it feels good. latest find was a 7th gen core i3 with a GTX1050TI (!!!) last time it was a 4th gen i7 with a GTX760. but yeah I have definitely across older stuff as well. an SSD, and sometimes Linux is used as a saving grace :) Anyway, I totally agree with you. Old games are great. PC gaming is SO much more than playing the latest stuff!
@@PixelShade Those were real good finds! Before they started forcing us in the city to bring our electronics to special recycling facilities, which are so damn far away, I would go out on recycling nights and find tons of PCs' that people would put out on the curb! I used to look forward to those nights. I also got real good walking exercise that kept my bad back in check...as long as I did not pick up anything too heavy. I actually carried a small dollie (spelling?) with wheels and large elastic tie down bands for transporting back home when I had a good find. I miss doing that even though some neighborhoods I chanced upon are "sketchy" where I live. I don't think I would do that anymore though, since crime is just too rampant these days because of the Covid bullsh*t. I actually did get lucky a year ago as someone actually dumped a PC on my front lawn in filthy and a sorry state! I actually managed to clean and repair it! It has an older ASUS motherboard with an i7-920 first gen CPU and an ASUS GTX 780 ti with 3GB video ram and 8GB system ram. It runs games really well even though the 780 ti runs with enough wattage to heat my room in the winter and give my air conditioner a workout in the summer! 😄
I wouldn't be surprised if these GPUs are being listed for $200 and named "GAMING GRAPHICS CARD"
Add a little rgb and add the word ''Fortnite'' and people would still buy it lol
Well done. Eminently useful during these dark days of corporate avarice.
The GT 310! GT 210's forgotten successor
You can achieve nearly 60FPS in Skyrim on HD3650 If you tweak some settings in xml file like completely disabling shadows (which are glitched anyway) and reflections or reducing distant objects draw distance. Same with GTA V, disable shadows and reflections and that should give at least 30FPS on average.
kinda crazy how ancient hardware can run modern games still
@@esc5085 kinda crazy we call 'ancient' a gpu from 13 years ago
@@esc5085 kinda crazy how a gpu is "ancient" but skyrim is "modern" when it came out 2 years later.
They say that Doom is eternal, but in reality, it is Skyrim that prevails. Bethesda really made a game that people play again and again, do different things, try different mods, etc.
And for how buggy the engine can be, it can be tweaked in either direction for hardware far slower and faster than thought.
You can reduce things like lighting, draw distance and shadows to run it on a potato, but also far extend the settings and add some reshade and mods to vastly improve the visuals.
@@jordanclerkin1998 im comparing the tech of the gpus featured vs the budget ones nowadays. budget gpus now blow that out the water
Ahh, finally - the true cream of the crop! (and unfortunately pretty much the only cards that are still both available & affordable)
I would argue that you are, hands down, the only human being today who is willing to endure this torture…willingly.
You are a legend.
And he does it with focus on "modern" games and not for retro.
I love your random low budget gpu tests steve
lol. you got the max performance each card could get (because i5 bottleneck). They are still ok if you want to play "very" old titles and feel the nostalgia. Great video! Keep it up!
Just realized I was not subscribed until 5 minutes ago, yet I watch nearly all your vids lol
I love this deep digging stuff - though my retro passion I suppose is in older systems. I had a graphics card die recently (2021 purchased WX5100, sigh), possibly because I was pushing an ancient Mac Pro (1,1) too far with it - though the computer/cpu/everything else is fine.
I love watching you torture some of these cards - and it also almost pokes fun at our disposable computer culture when these cards hang in there. People buy 1030s... which this market hasn't inflated at all - partially because that damned 3650 would smoke it, LOL.
You should start using Arma 2 in your older machine testing, this beast from 2009 was notoriously hard game to run.
It also has multiple demanding and consistent benchmarks
Arma 3 is another one that would be interesting. Hits hard on the CPU, but isn't well multithreaded.
I wonder how my old XFX HD 4830 would fare nowadays in performance as well as price. It wasn't a good overclocker, sadly.
The passive ones are good as a minimum in a HTPC for GPU processing (such as Plex). Great video.
With that any Ryzen APU or Intel since Core i 2nd gen should be fine as well.
So, not too long ago I bought an overclocking-oriented Gigabyte board with a Q6600, 8GB and an HD 7750 for $20. The real reason I bought it was it had one of those fancy Zalman tunnel type coolers. With a bit of tweaking, it wasn't too bad at all. The 7750 is roughly equivalent to a GTX 650 and I was easily able to get the 6600 up to 3.2 GHz using the Zalman cooler. Overall not terribly much slower than my Ryzen 3100 + GTX 650 rig which was my slowest rig at the time and after putting a GTX 660 in the Q6600, it was almost a usable system. Sometimes that older gear really impresses.
Hehe. I'd be interested to see how a few iGPU's fare against these old dGPU's.
Probably better by a ton
Even the Vega 3 would beat all of these haha
@@RandomGaminginHD wtf we replied 2 seconds apart
Something like an Intel HD 3000 equipped Core i5 would possibly be closer?
I don't know why do I like watching all your videos even when I have some decent PC hardware
so hey, uh where do I get HD 3650?
Can't count to three - you must work for Valve!
Great video!
But i noticed something here, the nvidia 310 never exceeded 40 degrees, the other card were around 50-70 degrees
is there headroom for overclocking on the 310 then?
that would be interesting to see if there were a difference after oc on the 310
thanks for this video!
Possibly yes, though I don’t think there’s much performance to be gained. I know other budget cards like the 710 can exhibit big differences with overclocking though
@@RandomGaminginHD yeah ok, would be fun too see it anyway because of the difference in temperatures
thank you again for good videos 😊
@@Impractically If the 310 was the passive card, strapping a fan to it should give headroom even with oc, and some of the cut down cards can do quite the OC. I got my passive 7300 GT from 400 MHz to 640 MHzt back in the day. That's a 60% oc and made it come quite close to a 7600 GS.
Imagine doing that nowadays. Taking a 2060 and clocking it to perform within an inch to a 2080
When the GPUs get so slow you're tempted to benchmark Half Life 2 again.
I just bought a GPU that can’t even run that. It’s for a Pentium II system, so it’s fine.
finally, something in my budget
Which one are you taking to a desert island with you? (Internet included)
What might be interesting would be a video of games where you can get a good experience. Like indy titles, classic games (half life 2?) and so on. What can you do with a £5 GPU?
These cards would be subpar in hf2 due to how weak they are.
@@pauls4522 maybe. Maybe they'd be playable. Maybe with an overclock (if supported).
NimeZ AMD Radeon Driver might be worth testing on the hd 4000 & hd 3000 cards, some bug fixes & performance issues gets optimized as well.
Think ive been subscribed here since late 2016 or so.
HD 4350 was my first gpu ever, glad to see it being featured on this channel
I really enjoy this kinda stuff! I have an old 5770 kicking around I'd be curious to see how that performs these days. Do you want it? Also if love to see some older older games like doom 3 or glad life 2 and maybe Crysis in the benchmarks. PC gaming isn't just for the newest releases after all!
*playing CS:GO*
"Oh, sorry, can't even count to three anymore..."
i see what you did there
The 310 looks to be running relatively cold. Maybe it has overclocking potential?
Did you think about testing them on Linux? Open source drivers should work good for this old cards.
I can't count to three anymore. So you work for Valve?
I love these kinds of vids keep at them!
I think I commented this before, but that skyrim shadow glitch can be fixed by changing some shadow settings in the .ini file (I believe you have to turn of terrain shadows. Not sure though. Has been a long time).
I used to have a GT 705 :D i luckily bought a rx 570 last year for 90€, the owner wanted to sell because he had already bought a rtx 3070. You wouldn't believe the massive difference it made
Interesting video, would have been nice to have an older integrated graphics added to the comparison, such as the integrates graphics with an Intel 4th gen.
I honestly think that the glitches are not a driver issue, as I expected that the powerhouse that is 3650 will easily outperform the other two where gpu power is needed, yet fall flat when the other two get the chance to flex their mighty frame buffer. Most of those glitches are probably due to the inability to squeeze the textures into vram.
Have you tried hd7570?
There's some for £12.00 on ebay at mo delivered
With the 7570s still out there for $15-$20 it's hard to recommend anything for cheap gaming or HTPC cheaper. Interesting video though.
I upgraded to 11 yesterday, expecting dire problems found it was an absolute breeze and the machine is super fiesty with crisp responses, am actually quite impressed, been burning the midnight oil on Age of Empires 4 plus WoW:SL with a bit o' LotRO but looking forward to Forza Horizon 5 which is just round the corner to release :D
Is it back to the responsiveness XP had?
This is my kinda content. "Which is the least trash of the current trash?"
720p is a bit much for this class of card. Back when I had a Passively cooled 6450 I would primarily play games at 800x600 with the xrandr scaling mode property set to Full aspect so that it would retain 4:3 when Fullscreen rather than stretching out to 16:9. Did okay for what I needed at the time, but oh boy was finally moving onto a card that could do 1080p at the time exciting.
960x540 and 640x360 would be similar in size and 16:9, and not only that, they 1/2 and 1/3 of 1920x1080 per axis, so the scaling should be relatively artifact free. They're my go to resolutions for older games that don't do well with big resolutions.
I gotta ask man. From content creator to content creator. Did you have an issues with your HD 3650? I have gone through 5 different ones recently and it just feels like they are cursed!
So basically your options are either solid framerates and glitchy drivers or a powerpoint presentation with stable drivers?
They are $30 in todays prices
Couldn't find a 8800gt/9800gt for around those prices?
New mic?
Guessing up-front: the passively cooled will be least worst since of all the headaches it will induce, at least it will spare the noise.
It may just be me but the Nvidia card seems to have slightly muted colors. Did you notice this when playing or is this just due to my perception/the recording?
geforce 310 i am currently using it
I remember the gaming PC my Dad got me when I won all my debate tournaments. He wasn’t expecting I’d win ALL OF THEM. But he is a man of his word. So he got me whatever I wanted. It was a high end pre built. Origin Genesis. I doubt it’d even work for shit these days.
You just pleased me with another video
I await for the next upload
Just got a PNY GTX 1060 6gb video card, in preperation I updated the bios & installed a fresh copy of windows 10, installed the GPU and booted to black screen (multiple times) switched cords back to integrated to find the video card isn't showing in the device manager, showing hidden did nothing. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here, I just want to play Diablo 2 Resurrected...
i got an amd 8490 1gb for $10 and it plays alot of pre 2014 games fairly well on med-high settings 900p, some even 1080p
Try Doom 2016. The game is quite well optimised and can be put down to run even on weak hardware.
I dont know where you get the wonga.
;#)
The hd3650 512 was the graphics card of my childhood, I still have it today and I use it for composite video output. The terrible terrascale drivers really suck, not only for the 3000 and 4000 but also for the 5000 6000 series.
I remember playing Wolfenstein (2009) and Serious Sam 3 on a Sapphire HD3650. The board surpassed my expectations, despite 15 fps in the last stage of SS3.
Yes! This is the video all PC enthusiasts have been waiting for!!
what about for retro games?
Wow, 310 is the GPU I used to death from 2009-2014! 10k hours on Skyrim are well spent on my 310.
Oh the Yes. The ATI Asus Radeon HD 4350 512mb. I had that card back in 2009/10. It wasn't my main. But it was fun to play with. I think I had a GTX 260 used. Back then too.
What about emulation. I am interested what this cards can do.
Yay more budget videos :D
Your problems with downloading the 100 GB for GTA V could be moved around by making a "backup" in Steam and "restoring" that on the other system. Steam even has the function integrated. So having a spare drive with all the stuff you benchmark would come in handy.
- Backup games before install (check online how for each client).
- Install Windows 7.
- Test console emulation.
- Test DOS games?
For console emulation something like FFX on PS2 and Wind Waker on Gamecube (FF12 and Twilight Princess might push it a bit too far). Both games are quite optimised on their corresponding emulators and should be around where the cards start to struggle.
PS1/N64 should run without issues, those can be emulated even on way weaker systems.
Imagine If we could use these old GPU on the Win10 as It will save a lot of $$$$ from buying used or new Cards that is needed these days. I hope that the GPU in the mid of next year or mostly 2023 would be resolved or Intel new cards will make a miracle and close the gap. Like always as enjoy the videos you show and wish you the best always.
Great video thanks 🙏🏼
the gpu in the middle looks pretty cool with that girl on the cover. reminds me of the old ps1 and 2 era and how they presented their games back then ^^.
Picked up a 6570 for £7.50. It plays Total War Rome II surprisingly well at 1080p Low settings. Witcher 3 at about 15-20 fps 720p.
Christ I bought a Radeon 3650 new in 2008 and thought it was a pretty good card for the time! This video makes me feel so old...
Would Linux help since it's a lighter OS than w10?
Other games that would be interesting to test would be Borderlands 2 or Doom 2016. The former is from around the time the cards came out and the later runs great even on my Core 2/GTX 660 Ti rig.
It would be interesting to see these budget cards tested on the Windows version they were made for and also on a Linux distribution with Proton to see how they do.
So 2008/09 cards on XP and 7 vs 10, that sounds pretty nice.
I have some machines with 98/XP and XP/7 respectively and noticed that especially older games and benchmarks tend to give better results on the older system.
if any of these were available for 5£ in my country, I'd buy it immediately
my IT teacher at collage still has a radeon 7000 gpu from 2001 i think it was, we talked about old hardware for a while after he showed all the old hardware he still has
that hd3650 brings back old memories
it was my first gpu on my first pc back in 2009 (hp prebuild with pentium D and 2x512mb ddr2 ram)
it runs nfs carbon and cod mw2 like a champ back then
Not bad for HD 3650👍
I wonder how these gpus would do in linux using proton. Though I'm not sure if dxvk would work for them or not lol.