i go to new japan to see competitive, sports-like wrestling, i go to WWE to be all around entertained. Each company has its niche, none are direct copies of another
@@prestonsherwood7973AEW is day & night different. Its more of a mix of all styles of wrestling rather than the wwe conveyer belt of repeptitive wrestling. You like the typical brawler style wwe you can watch ftr. You like high flyers dante and darius martin do that. You like Lucha Libre they have Rey Fenix kommandar Pentagon Andrade. You like European style they have that. You like japanese strong style you have that with kenny and Takeshita. Its truly a diverse company right now
The bucks matches are awful they overuse and ruin seemingly every single move especially the superkick Edit: didn’t mean to start ww3 sorry guys this is just what I think
@@platinumjoseph The Bucks started in California and then went to Japan. They weren't trained there, they weren't even there a decade, and they most certainly don't wrestle the NJPW main event style. I'd even argue their style isn't comparable to the NJPW junior style. They're extremely formulaic wrestlers, especially when they're not motivated.
Bucks are literally what happens when marks doing wrestling in the backyard . They want to be like video game characters . They were shawn michales fan who just think they know better then everyone. They dont wanna take advice they are toxic and there toxic fans my Gosh and the way Dave praise them they think they are the best they actually think that
As someone who likes to look at Meltzers ratings, I agree. There's a lot of ppl who get upset with his ratings for some reason. I just take it as someones opinion others take it more seriously. And it's hilarious when someone gets mad at it.
When it's mindless drone followers that worship WWE no matter what, does it count as being smoked? Or is it more like Dave just triggered a bunch of bot brains?
@@SirRavixofFourhorn He did in the full interview, shortly mentioned that out of the big name personalities that were more about character than matches that Steve was distinctly great in the ring, though nobody cares because he didn't give him more 5 star matches.
@@KegOfMeatwhy? Hes just a dude that writes about wrestling. Woop de do. Dave fans stan him too much, and then people that hate his rating system still dont shut up about it. "You are fickle" - D. Bry
I think his ratings of some outright classics in WWE and his propensity for adding more points for matches in the Tokyo Dome told on him long before this interview.
Ofc he has bias, he's a fan, if he has ever said he has no bias, he is straight lying, that is like being a football fan and loving all football teams equally
Wrestling is the art of giving the illusion that you’re hurting your opponent without actually hurting them… “strong style” is reckless idiots standing there letting each other hit one another without selling or any attempt to make it look real along with dangerous bumps on your head. There’s no protecting your opponent through the art of wrestling. It’s just hey lets hurt each other for real and see who can get cte first… Look at guys like Misawa, never got to enjoy life after wrestling because of the brutality, literally died due to it… New Japan is garbage
It's because WWE's schedule is MUCH more grueling. Remember, all of New Japan's shows get on NJPW World while we get, at best, half of the matches someone in WWE does airs for more than the live audience.
Technical doesn't always equal better it's like saying Batman v Superman is better than The Dark Knight because Batman did more impressive fighting moves in BvS.
I personally like new Japan for their legit hard hitting style and insane wrestling talent. Just imagine the wrestlers we wouldn't have in WWE or in aew currently if not for new Japan. I like new Japan aew and WWE it's different tastes in wrestling honestly
Lately every wwe match has had at least 5-6 false finishes. Granted, I don’t watch this shit but once a month and maybe little clips here and there but when I do watch a PPV, false finishes are happening like crazy. To the point where it’s a little ridiculous. Do finishers not finish matches any more? Some of the finishers look like shit and the wrestlers nowadays kinda suck compared to the past but there’s got to be a better way to make the crowd interested in your match besides kicking out at 2 1/2 every match multiple times.
@@viperrecords3288it's not though, it's worth tens of millions of dollars and consistently sells out 10,000+ seat arenas. a quick google search and like 5 minutes of research will give you all the proof needed to show you they are WAY TOO BIG to be considered an indy fed
It is in no way an indy. Its worth MILLIONS and draws tens of thousands of fans to their big events. No indy company does that especially not on a consistent basis. Also obviously the japanese promotion is gonna be niche elsewhere cause nobody over here speaks the language & the time difference is too much to accommodate for. You dont see japanese anime getting more american viewers than american television shows
He is wrong often. Here though, when it comes to WWE vs NJPW, he is 100% correct. Any wrestling fan that is very familiar with both companies will admit this. Only mindless WWE drones would argue against it, and what's funny is most of them don't even know HOW to watch an NJPW match, yet they somehow want to pretend WWE is better than something they didn't see.
@theinsanityplex9372 that's straight-up fanboy talk. I don't watch any major promotion much anymore, but to suggest you can only prefer the wwe system if you're a fanboy is utterly ridiculous. NJPW has a serious issue with too many false finishes, making movies redundant and every match meaningless. Sure, wwe matches can be formulaic, but they don't bury their product at every ppv, which I would argue NJPW has done
I enjoy a good NJPW match back then when Kenny or Hirumo Takahashi would put on bangers they still do but the style is different feels like a fight rather then a match
That, plus general presentation. I know people look at WWE as the gold standard for high budget, high production, “the big lights” etc. New Japans presentation just hits different. The cameras focus less on the crowd, they generally stay with handheld cameras on the floor, the commentary, the way the referees act, the bombastic entrances. It all goes towards making it feel more like a real fight, more like you’re watching UFC. If you want stories, WWE and AEW are putting on those kinds of shows, and I love following it week to week because of that. If you want to see the apex of what wrestling can be, it’s new Japan.
I genuinely enjoy Dave even though i rarely agree with him but Chris hits him with the hardest truth bomb I've ever seen anyone put on ol tuna Meltzer, that Japanese wrestling isn't "technically better" just completely different than WWE and he just shuts down, like always
Thanks for this interview. I used to think the Meltzer ratings were a great measuring stick, and the be all of wrestling. But now i get its mostly opinion and subjective, nothing wrong with that, just nice to know it as a casual fan
Buddy, if you’re a movie critic with a personal preference for dramas and you’re asked for your opinion on a romcom, then you’re probably not gonna rate that romcom as highly as your top dramas. The rule of thumb with Dave’s ratings is that any match above 4 stars is generally worth watching. Anything higher is just up to personal preference. If you believe HBK vs Angle is a 5 star match, you’re not wrong. If Meltzer believes it’s not a 5 star match, he’s not wrong either.
A wise man said " It's better to watch a 10-15 move match which tells a great story rather than a match with 50-60 high flying moves and no story whatsoever"
it’s not ab not handling it, it’s clearly fucking bias, but you really can’t handle their opinions because ur on ur knees w dave’s cock down ur throat.
After growing up watching WCW and WWE then watching the Japanese style many years later, I agree that the story telling in the Japanese matches is the best
it’s actually really funny how chris only said do you not like wwe style matches before he even got out the part of new japan and meltzer instantly said no
By building to the perfect finish he means senselessly doing moves to each other over and over, no selling all of it, 27 false finishes, then the winner just hits their finish and gets the flattest victory in pro wrestling history. 😂
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN roman did'n't have a dozen of false finishes heck even if he had, at least it made sense for him since he's booked strongly according to his imposing stature and embodiement.
Dave isn't always right, but in this case, he is 100% correct. Anyone who actually IS FAMILIAR with NJPW is going to admit this. People that just fangirl over WWE no matter how bad it gets, will insist Dave is wrong despite probably never seeing an NJPW match.
@@pleaseshutup7053yea I think the biggest difference is njpw matches get more time to breathe. Motib this year was a great ppv but most of the matches felt like they were cut for time whereas most njpw matches get the time to really ramp up into something a crowd can get behind
Meltzer isn’t right. It’s one thing to prefer NJPW style, but when Kurt Angle somehow doesn’t have a 5 star match in his career, then I can’t take that rating system seriously
As someone whose seen at least a few matches my biggest complaint is that the action doesn't flow that well. Even in the clips their showing to the backdrop of Meltzer praising their technical superiority you can see this good solid beat where the guy catches that kick, that enzuigiri and then there's this lag where it looks the guy just decided to fall. Alot of smaller promotions that get all this praise are like that including ROH. ROH has many matches where I've seen a number moves look like non sequiturs of motion. They'll just pull these seemingly random moves that don't seem to follow the preceding action or there will be these long pauses where their not showboating or menacing the opponent. Theyey kind of sit or stand their like potatoes that breathe. All the while their treating us to the live theatre equivalent of dead air (I'm pretty sure plenty fans joked WWEs rest holds but at least that was something). WWE at least in the late attitude era on through the Ruthless Aggression era was always very good about keeping the action fluid yet crisp filling any gaps with some kind of characterizing action by the wrestlers.
It doesn't suck. It's just guys like Dave over-hype it so much that it gets annoying. It's like someone telling you to keep watching a movie that is great. The more you tell that person the movie is great, you will just get annoyed and not wanna watch.
It does suck. Unless you're a very niche fan who likes it or Japanese it's incredibly hard to get into and actually like. I've been to a bout 4 of their North American shows and just find the product boring.
I've seen enough to know that the WWE do teach their audience when to pop and when not to, and it also proves that they're more spot-orientated than just having those raw matches that don't necessarily require you to predict a certain move over and over again. Like it's a wrestler's repertoire, but there should be more from the occasion than mere spots
That's the things wwe matches feel fake because the wrestlers are usually just going through a checklist of spots. In new japan the wrestling actually feels organic and spontaneous like a real sport. Of course people who've never watched new japan wouldn't know this
@@leonconnelly5303 Lmao no. In Japan they don't sell whatsoever and they do outrageous moves and pop back up. Nothing about Japanese wrestling looks legit.
I can almost see where he's coming from. Sounds like something along the lines of Japanese pro wrestling being more technically sound than the American sports entertainment based approach. Not sure what he's trying to imply though. As far as I'm concerned, that just makes the product different, not better or worse. It's great to have a variety to choose from. Every style has it's own flavour and appeal. At the end of the day, the squared circle remains the same at its essence, and we're all united by our love of the art.
I like New Japan because you rarely see they kick out of finishers & that is how you should treat a finisher. WWE on the other hand, just remember Hulk Hogan got up after 2 Rock Bottoms at Wrestlemania.
I understand what he’s saying about WWE and he’s right but New Japan literally does nothing that he says most new Japan matches are set up the same . They just do every move they can do and when they’re done they do a finish
Dave Meltzer: Knocks WWE style for repetition Also Dave Meltzer: Rates Kenny Omega and YB matches super high even though youll see 30 v-triggers and 50 superkicks as well as the same sequnces theyve been doing since their pwg days. Got it
I remember Jericho said when he went to WWE he had to learn their style, but once you do you can take it anywhere. Overall it's probably superior, but even if you love steak you might want spaghetti on occasion and if all they'll let you have is steak you might eventually start to hate steak.
It's just his preference and that's ok 🤷🏽♂️ he clearly favours NJPW and he didn't force anyone to care about his ratings but y'all still talk about them
The fact that he has given Kenny Omega like 7 5 star matches but Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro, Steve Austin, The Rock and countless others were never given one tells you all you need to know about Dave Meltzer and his fetish for Japanese wrestling and his friends in particular
Dave said once that he rates matches by how OVER the wrestlers are before & after the match. My prime example of Dave’s bias is The Rock vs Triple H in the Ladder Match @ SummerSlam 98. The match made The Rock & Triple H main event players & the match only got 🌟🌟🌟🌟. I call BS on Dave’s whole system.
That’s true wwe wrestling is so safe. Adam Cole v gargantuan with the super kick sounds and the indie wrestling moves and what not is what wwe needs. They legit shortened Cody Rhodes move set in wwe
I can watch Japanese and Lucha style for the excitement, but save that “technically better” shit for someone else, Dave. If you want pacing and storytelling you’re gonna find that in the WWE. Like what you like, just don’t lie to justify it. It’s your preference, don’t lie to yourself. Call me old school, but wrestling is meant to simulate a fight, not a movie fight scene. Because, well….it comes off as way too choreographed because it is. Trampoline role play seriously affected a whole generation of fans who then became the wrestlers.
@@Colon-Threeh, I knew exactly what he meant. And he’s delusional if he thinks the Japanese gymnasts are technically better than guys like Angle and Benoit. Their acrobatics are definitely more refined. That’s not wrestling.
@@JM1993951 calling them "japanese gymnasts" shows you have no clue what you're talking about. high flyers are not the only wrestlers outside of wwe, or even the most prominent wrestlers. you also listed 2 of the best technical wrestlers of all time as your justification, which is stupid because those are outliers and not a representation of the average wwe wrestler.
nothing looks LESS like a fight than the extremely extremely safe + formulaic wwe style. guys in N.J. constantly beat the Fucc out of each other and end the match bloodied and bruised. the only guy in wwe who wrestles like its a fight is brock. the other 99% of the roster wrestle so tame + safe. u want it to look like a real fight? well dont watch Cena do his 5 knuckle shuffle punch that he always wiffs on purpose (for safety) and the camera always changes to a different angle as he's coming down with his fist to cover it up. once you start to notice these things you can't Un-See them
@kalvinstrange623 no, for his star ratings that dont mean sh#$. His obvious bias, his rumor peddling tgat ruins lives and careers. Its all a tool by Dave to push his preferences(japan strongstyle spot monkey no sell crap) into the mainstream. Which....will never happen. No one except Dave and british youtubera care about NJPW matches.
id argue OG NXT was the perfect balance of both of these styles. i find njpw since it doesn’t have that instant built in pop factor for certain moves, sequences etc. it needs to achieve this by constantly raising the stakes and ramping up the action, njpw is starting to get notoriously bad for overusing false finishes, overusing finishers themselves etc. because that’s their main point of consistency for working the crowd and getting the fans invested, whereas, as meltzer said, wwe builds its fan investment through familiarity and consistency in its in ring performances, fans are conditioned to be able to see the real finish coming, whether it’s how many kick outs have happened already, a ref bump, the way the finisher is performed, how things are countered etc, all these things make wwe matches far more predictable in the end, but the journey to the finish can be far more enjoyable as the fans can follow it right to the end and be able to see where it’s going, and the action pops the crowd far easier when the crowd is familiar with certain sequences and moves that they know they can expect to be pivotal in the build up to a finish. the original nxt i think found that perfect balance of both of these, it worked the crowd in the wwe way, having escalating drama not by one upping moves, but through certain theatrics, familiarity with sequences etc. but they still leaned heavily into getting that njpw unpredictability factor, where they subverted expectations much more than main roster wwe did, with much more variation in their false finishes, sequences etc. that’s why i think the original nxt had some of the best wreslting style of all time, people always simplify it and say nxt was basically wwe’s way of presenting “indie” style wrestling, and although that’s quite a surface level way of looking at it, i think that’s right, wwe i think provides the best version of story based wrestling and wrestling that’s specifically tailored to garner a certain planned reaction from the crowd, whereas indie wrestling tells its story as it is and allows the crowd to follow in their own way and react in the moment much more organically, and they achieve that with a much more technical style where the match is almost escalating, the only issue with that is when you’ve done thousands of matches you can only keep escalating so far and subvert expectations so many times before people do start to see it coming, which is why nxt was so perfect, it took that amazing indie style and foundations of technical wrestling but added in the more theatrical base of wwe as a way of escalating and subversion rather than doing it purely through the in ring work and moves, nxt took indie wrestling and put it in a new context that made it feel fresh again, for me ur recaptured what made indie wrestling so big in the early 2000s. nxt was the first promotion/brand in a long time that truly presented a new style, which in the modern era is so difficult to do.
Japanese crowds love technical acrobatic stuff, but they're also not as vocal as US crowds. Read once that Beyonce got so frustrated with a Japanese crowd being quiet that she walked off the stage. But they do love their game shows.
I can tell WWE marks are going to invade this comments section. Yes dear WWE marks. There are other ways and styles to wrestling. AAA,NJPW,AEW,MLW are there if you wanna watch something fresh apart from the 999th betrayal angle wwe has done in the last 6 months.
I call cap, How many times have we seen bullet club beat up their leader when he is about leaving New Japan? How many times have we seen someone beat Okada only for Okada to Cena his way and beat him up at WrestleKingdom? Repetitions happen everywhere in Wrestling, Dave is just straight out lying.
@@peterdaskinheadThey suck because you like McDonalds style WWE wrestling. I dont. I grew up on WWE but at this point its borderline unwatchable for me.
@@JoshTooSportyonly Omega to Styles and then Jay did it 5 years later to Omega. That's only a bullet club thing. It's not the whole show where stone cold does it to Vince who does it to rock who does it to Stone cold ad infinitum
Repetition Dave? Your criticism on WWE is repetition and your fav is New Japan? The same place where they lock up, nobody gets the better of it so they simultaneously kip (kick) up at the same time to a pop. They then do arm drags for 30 seconds into a headlock. They then trade transitional moves for a few mins, one gets thrown outside the other suicide dives out to him to a pop. Then they get some colour, table spot, back into the ring trade more moves. Hit a finisher each, trade forearm shots, drops to knees, more forearm shots, collapse again, no sell a big move followed by flexing and a scream, some flippy moves, trade finisher again, 2 count, then do some wrestling holds into a big strike into a finisher with the match finally ending after 87 minutes. Stfu Dave you mark.
@@leonconnelly5303 I've watched the Omega Vs Okadas. Omega Vs Ospreay, Jericho Vs Omega. Some other lad Vs Okada. Fuji water or something I think his name was. Highlights of some "New Japan classics". Every single Japanese guy that comes to AEW put on the same match with AEW guys. I'm talking about AEW guys aswell btw. All the same matches. I'll tell you how WWE is different. If something happens like somebody gets put through a table or hits their head on an exposed turnbuckle, they don't wrestle for another 15 to 30 mins. It's all down from there which makes the spot significant. WWE holds in wrestling usually aren't always entertaining because somebody eventually gets the better of it and somebody switches it up and throws a strike. It doesn't always end in nobody getting the better of each other and they kick up simultaneously. Finishers are more significant and even in WWE they've gone down the drain a bit since a bunch of indie guys joined which is annoying but whatever everyone in wrestling is like that. WWE can also tell a story through their matches. Somebody can actually be dominant, it's not always a slugfest with the same spots like trading shots, no sell big strike, taunt do a big strike back and drop to knees and continue trading there. That's every AEW and NJPW Main event ever. That shit can't happen every match and you be called a good wrestler because it's so lazy. WWE also don't botch anywhere near the amount of AEW or NJPW. I keep saying AEW aswell because they're tightly linked with NJPW and have a lot of their stars over in AEW. WWE is superior to both wrestling companies in practically everything. WWE can be repetitive. I've seen so many dumb rematches that are the exact same match but in fairness a lot of that was around Covid. There are things WWE are really dumb about I know but repetition has NJPW AND AEW STAMPED ALLLLL OVER IT.
I kinda agree with him on the repetitiveness of wwe matches as alot of them feel like they go the same way with the same spots all the time but that doesn't mean its bad
I once checked out his 5-star matches, but I got bored after 50 false finishes and 50 finishers and it's only halfway into the match. And this is the same guy that said The Fiend is both the best and worst gimmick and never gave Kurt Angle 5 stars for some reason.
I don’t think there is any denying that New Japan and AEW have a clear advantage over WWE in terms of high level wrestling (both in terms of technical and showmanship)
Neither of them have wrestlers that can throw a good punch besides MJF, just shitty forearms that make no sense to hit bc there’s a fist on that arm that’s a lot closer to the opponent’s face. Take out every big spot in NJPW and AEW, u get sloppy wrestling. they’re not good wrestling wise, moxley goes to the floor for minutes at a time even tho it’s supposed to be a ten count
@@OVO-Adolf Obviously closed fist punches are illegal in many promotions, that's why they use forearms. As for sloppy wrestling, you obviously don't watch NjpW if you think that. They're not all highspots, their guys are rigorously trained in fundamentals. Don't confuse NJPW with indie wrestling.
Both styles have merits and it seems both may have longevity. The question is can NJPW's style take them to a larger widespread audience. Sadly the average WWE fan doesn't even know they exist.
Aka the WWE focuses on entertaining the crowd and hopefully telling a story, while New Japan just do a bunch of moves until they call for the end of the match, and then try to figure a story and entertainment somewhere in there.
I actually agree with him and I think WWE could be so much better in ring if they were doing the same. I love WWE but Japan has an incredible technicality in ring.
I only watch Japanese wrestling during AEW shows but if that is a sample then what he said couldn't be further from the truth. Some matches were really cool and the only thing that was flat was the finish and this happened several times too Osprey vs. Omega being maybe the most egregious example where they just hit a bunch of moves at the end with no build up (including a botched Tiger Driver) and it ended. There is a reason why you want the audience to pop on certain moves and why in games they are called signature moves and finishes, because they should setup the ending and then finish the match, you want to get creative about the psychology of the last quarter of the match and not necessarily about the whole thing or the moves themselves.
In this short, the clip of The Rock doing the sliding People's Elbow was way cooler than anything from NJPW, maybe the editor was trying to bury them on purpose.
He really did take a long time to simply say "No, I don't prefer the WWE style." NJPW is amazing, but a major red flag for a bias is when the person doesn't even acknowledge there's any real to be suspected of bias. That means he's either completely blind to it, or he's being deceptive. It's ok to have a preference, Dave. Just say that.
@@benjaminmarshall1068he didnt answer the question. Maybe some people like repetition. And maybe some people dislike overly technical stuff. We all know where he was going so he could have simply addressed bias instead of giving a round about answer.
@@Zoninatoryou japanese wrestling fans are fans of fake fights, shitty promo, and weirdo japanese anime pedophile culture...... typical behavior from the usual suspects.
Dave has given AEW more 5 star matches in their short existence than WWE in their long existence. To answer your question, no he doesn’t like WWEs match style.
WWE can do those styles of matches....they just save them for the top tier rivalries and matches...Balor vs Rollins...Edge vs Cena.....Reigns vs Lesnar.....Usos vs New Day and that's how WWE make those matches live long in ther memory
Full interview with Dave Meltzer: ruclips.net/video/WEHaBSD6e5E/видео.html
i go to new japan to see competitive, sports-like wrestling, i go to WWE to be all around entertained. Each company has its niche, none are direct copies of another
Facts
AEW has ripped off WWE. Tk is a just a younger Vince McMahon.
@@prestonsherwood7973TK and Vince could not be any more fucking different, do you say shit just for the sake of it? Fucking man just shut up
@@prestonsherwood7973AEW is day & night different. Its more of a mix of all styles of wrestling rather than the wwe conveyer belt of repeptitive wrestling. You like the typical brawler style wwe you can watch ftr. You like high flyers dante and darius martin do that. You like Lucha Libre they have Rey Fenix kommandar Pentagon Andrade. You like European style they have that. You like japanese strong style you have that with kenny and Takeshita. Its truly a diverse company right now
@@prestonsherwood7973didn’t even say anything about AEW
Ah yes, I look forward to reading this wholesome comments section
I don’t even know why I torture myself with it anymore
@@theovereditedarena5672I don’t know why I even bother. Nobody respects opinions anymore.😂
😂 was thinking the same thing hahaha
@@Marzchaixbecause too many people take this goon seriously
@@Marzchaixunless if it’s in the Tokyo dome lol
For someone who constantly rates the Bucks matches really high, everything he just said has immediately been shut down
The Bucks started in Japan and kept that same style even in aew
The bucks matches are awful they overuse and ruin seemingly every single move especially the superkick
Edit: didn’t mean to start ww3 sorry guys this is just what I think
@@platinumjoseph The Bucks started in California and then went to Japan. They weren't trained there, they weren't even there a decade, and they most certainly don't wrestle the NJPW main event style. I'd even argue their style isn't comparable to the NJPW junior style. They're extremely formulaic wrestlers, especially when they're not motivated.
The bucks telegraph all their spots
Bucks are literally what happens when marks doing wrestling in the backyard . They want to be like video game characters . They were shawn michales fan who just think they know better then everyone. They dont wanna take advice they are toxic and there toxic fans my Gosh and the way Dave praise them they think they are the best they actually think that
It amazes me that people care what Dave thinks.
Literally everyone who isn’t on Collision
As someone who likes to look at Meltzers ratings, I agree. There's a lot of ppl who get upset with his ratings for some reason. I just take it as someones opinion others take it more seriously. And it's hilarious when someone gets mad at it.
@@jdteneyNobody should care about his opinions on matches. His opinions aren’t any more important than others
I didn't but im happy with his recommendations
@@MJfp6lx If his recommendations are to watch matches with spot fests and flips and thinks that’s the end all be all. He can keep it.
Props to Dave. He’s made an entire career writing about of profession he’s actually never had any part of.
Have u wrestled?
@@SeeingShadowshave u
@@SeeingShadowsDoes it matter if they did? They aren't making money by claiming to be some kind of expert like Dave does are they?
@@TheShadowBrigade so u can't judge food because ur not a cook
Lmao what an idiot you are. If you criticise food that taste bad, does it mean you have to know how to cook it?
Dave be like “that’s a 4 star match… 5 stars if it was the Tokyo Dome”
Wirh blood it would be 7
Ahhh, a Bruce Pritchart classic.
@@royb5820whos that
@@royb5820don’t put a T in his name, put one on your back
Five star match but 7 in the Tokyo dome
Asking the hard questions. I love it
Nice joke 😂
Oh boy! This one's gonna get a lotta heat brother 😅
I lost some respect for Chris… why would he interview Meltzer
Womp womp.
@@ChrisMiIesChong Same reason journalists would jump at the chance to interview controversial public figures, it's his job at the end of the day
@@Alphine172still an L
Why would he get heat for being objectively correct?
I give this interview 6 stars. 5 stars for the Host, 1 for the Guest.
Lol
Lmaoooo 🤣🤣
I give this 7 stars. 6.5 for the Host and 0.5 for the Guest
7 stars had it been conducted in Nippon
@@ShoneDaddy Hardy har 👎
That sliding People's Elbow was 🔥🔥🔥.
Indeed only happend once and has not ever been duplicated.
Oh Lordy. Dave is gonna get smoked in the comments
When it's mindless drone followers that worship WWE no matter what, does it count as being smoked? Or is it more like Dave just triggered a bunch of bot brains?
For real the man could say Stone Cold was great and he'd still have people saying he's wrong lol
@@SirRavixofFourhorn He did in the full interview, shortly mentioned that out of the big name personalities that were more about character than matches that Steve was distinctly great in the ring, though nobody cares because he didn't give him more 5 star matches.
As he fucking should.
@@KegOfMeatwhy? Hes just a dude that writes about wrestling. Woop de do. Dave fans stan him too much, and then people that hate his rating system still dont shut up about it.
"You are fickle" - D. Bry
Did I miss something or did he just admit his bias to japanese Wrestling lol
I think his ratings of some outright classics in WWE and his propensity for adding more points for matches in the Tokyo Dome told on him long before this interview.
Ofc he has bias, he's a fan, if he has ever said he has no bias, he is straight lying, that is like being a football fan and loving all football teams equally
Everyone is biased to things they like lol. He likes the Japanese style more hes never said he does
@@ItDoesntMatterReallyI will still never understand how Taker vs Michael’s didn’t get 5
@@anthonylonlieano848probably the botched super kick lol
One day, Dave's gonna discover the circus exists and that they're far better at doing flips than wrestlers.
💀💀💀
You realise New Japan wrestling is known as "strong style" for a reason? It's brutal and real, not everyone does flips
Wrestling is the art of giving the illusion that you’re hurting your opponent without actually hurting them… “strong style” is reckless idiots standing there letting each other hit one another without selling or any attempt to make it look real along with dangerous bumps on your head. There’s no protecting your opponent through the art of wrestling. It’s just hey lets hurt each other for real and see who can get cte first… Look at guys like Misawa, never got to enjoy life after wrestling because of the brutality, literally died due to it… New Japan is garbage
wrestling started in the circus so I'm not sure if what you said is a negative reflection or a positive one lol
You've never watched new japan
It's not that the wrestlers are technically so much better. It's that they're ALLOWED the freedom to be as creative and technical as they want.
It's because WWE's schedule is MUCH more grueling.
Remember, all of New Japan's shows get on NJPW World while we get, at best, half of the matches someone in WWE does airs for more than the live audience.
@@seantaft3853 that's some Steiner math you just hit me with. In sure you could have explained that simpler.
Technical doesn't always equal better it's like saying Batman v Superman is better than The Dark Knight because Batman did more impressive fighting moves in BvS.
No Cap
Yet they produce the biggest marks in today’s wrestling
I personally like new Japan for their legit hard hitting style and insane wrestling talent. Just imagine the wrestlers we wouldn't have in WWE or in aew currently if not for new Japan. I like new Japan aew and WWE it's different tastes in wrestling honestly
The perfect time for finishes 😂😂 after 200 false ones
WWE has been doing that for years as well
New Japan has protected finishers
Super cena and Roman kicks out entered the chat
Lately every wwe match has had at least 5-6 false finishes.
Granted, I don’t watch this shit but once a month and maybe little clips here and there but when I do watch a PPV, false finishes are happening like crazy. To the point where it’s a little ridiculous.
Do finishers not finish matches any more? Some of the finishers look like shit and the wrestlers nowadays kinda suck compared to the past but there’s got to be a better way to make the crowd interested in your match besides kicking out at 2 1/2 every match multiple times.
@@ricardosalazar1150isn’t that the exact opposite of what Dave’s saying then?
I have never heard Meltzer give his opinion on wrestling where didn't sound borderline incoherent.
New japan is above wwe in every aspect of wrestling from product, performers are better, promos are betters and, matches are better
@@slash_gaming8443So why is it still an Indy? 😂
@@viperrecords3288it's not though, it's worth tens of millions of dollars and consistently sells out 10,000+ seat arenas. a quick google search and like 5 minutes of research will give you all the proof needed to show you they are WAY TOO BIG to be considered an indy fed
@@slash_gaming8443Promos are better in NJPW ? I watch and love NJPW, and it's certainly not for the promos
It is in no way an indy. Its worth MILLIONS and draws tens of thousands of fans to their big events. No indy company does that especially not on a consistent basis. Also obviously the japanese promotion is gonna be niche elsewhere cause nobody over here speaks the language & the time difference is too much to accommodate for. You dont see japanese anime getting more american viewers than american television shows
That rock slide into the ppl elbow is wild 🔥🔥🔥😂😂
Bare in mind that this is the same guy that thinks the stadium stampede was better than any rick flair match ever...
He is wrong often. Here though, when it comes to WWE vs NJPW, he is 100% correct. Any wrestling fan that is very familiar with both companies will admit this. Only mindless WWE drones would argue against it, and what's funny is most of them don't even know HOW to watch an NJPW match, yet they somehow want to pretend WWE is better than something they didn't see.
@@The_Insanity_Plexyou're gatekeeping redneck anime you pathetic tub of lard
@@The_Insanity_Plex Better is subjective opinion. Why he is taking seriously I never understood
@theinsanityplex9372 that's straight-up fanboy talk. I don't watch any major promotion much anymore, but to suggest you can only prefer the wwe system if you're a fanboy is utterly ridiculous. NJPW has a serious issue with too many false finishes, making movies redundant and every match meaningless. Sure, wwe matches can be formulaic, but they don't bury their product at every ppv, which I would argue NJPW has done
This is a lie, and his name is spelled Ric.
He had 12 matches over his career that Meltzer rated at 5 stars or more.
I enjoy a good NJPW match back then when Kenny or Hirumo Takahashi would put on bangers they still do but the style is different feels like a fight rather then a match
I get where he’s coming from. The big NJPW main events build to a crescendo. You know you’re good when a Japanese crowd is going crazy.
That, plus general presentation. I know people look at WWE as the gold standard for high budget, high production, “the big lights” etc.
New Japans presentation just hits different. The cameras focus less on the crowd, they generally stay with handheld cameras on the floor, the commentary, the way the referees act, the bombastic entrances. It all goes towards making it feel more like a real fight, more like you’re watching UFC.
If you want stories, WWE and AEW are putting on those kinds of shows, and I love following it week to week because of that. If you want to see the apex of what wrestling can be, it’s new Japan.
“The apex of wrestling could be” get over yourself
Cringe.
I genuinely enjoy Dave even though i rarely agree with him but Chris hits him with the hardest truth bomb I've ever seen anyone put on ol tuna Meltzer, that Japanese wrestling isn't "technically better" just completely different than WWE and he just shuts down, like always
Thanks for this interview. I used to think the Meltzer ratings were a great measuring stick, and the be all of wrestling. But now i get its mostly opinion and subjective, nothing wrong with that, just nice to know it as a casual fan
Coming from the same clown that said shawns and Kurt’s match at wm wasn’t a 5 star neither was Kurt’s iron man match vs brock.
HBK and Kurt had a better match at Vengeance imo.
Buddy, if you’re a movie critic with a personal preference for dramas and you’re asked for your opinion on a romcom, then you’re probably not gonna rate that romcom as highly as your top dramas.
The rule of thumb with Dave’s ratings is that any match above 4 stars is generally worth watching. Anything higher is just up to personal preference.
If you believe HBK vs Angle is a 5 star match, you’re not wrong. If Meltzer believes it’s not a 5 star match, he’s not wrong either.
WWE, NJPW, AEW, ROH, IMPACT, I LOVE EM ALL!!!!
What about stardom
"Its built around repetitiveness" ohhh you mean like every young bucks match rated 5 stars or more 🤦🏽♂️
Or like wrestling in general
I love how he explains exactly how psychology works and how to get the crowd invested as if it's a negative.
A wise man said " It's better to watch a 10-15 move match which tells a great story rather than a match with 50-60 high flying moves and no story whatsoever"
We're talking about fake wrestling here, not MMA @@NowhereBeats
NJPW absolutely tells stories in the ring.
Cuz that's MMA, that's an actual fight. Not like pro wrestling 🤦♀️@@NowhereBeats
Y’all really just can’t handle someone having an opinion that’s different to yours 💀😭
it’s not ab not handling it, it’s clearly fucking bias, but you really can’t handle their opinions because ur on ur knees w dave’s cock down ur throat.
A shit take is a shit take, you apparently can’t handle people responding to dog shit opinions
Well, most people have been involved in wrestling just as much as Meltzer has (zero), so why wouldn't their opinions matter just as much?
Biased Opinion ≠ journalism
Because no one respects the "professional opinion" of an autistic basement dwelling 75 year old
Kurt Angle has 0 5 five star matches according to meltzer. That tells you all you need to know about his opinion
*Gulp Gulp* " Kenny and The young Bucks You taste so good" *Gulp Gulp*
After growing up watching WCW and WWE then watching the Japanese style many years later, I agree that the story telling in the Japanese matches is the best
it’s actually really funny how chris only said do you not like wwe style matches before he even got out the part of new japan and meltzer instantly said no
Remember, Dave was on a NJPW Wrestle Kingdom Pre-Show and he considers Manami Toyota the greatest of all time. Nuff said
@@thekingofkings565 I never said Manami Toyota wasn't great. In her prime, one of the best to ever do it
That's not a bad choice for GOAT
I haven't followed wrestling the past few years, but he's spot on based on the promotions when I watched.
🤡
By building to the perfect finish he means senselessly doing moves to each other over and over, no selling all of it, 27 false finishes, then the winner just hits their finish and gets the flattest victory in pro wrestling history. 😂
Faxx 😂. Dude’s obsession to new japan workrate guys who don’t sell and do some anime drunk fights is out of this world ☠️.
that's the description of Roman Reigns' entire title reign yet we all pretend it's good lmao
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN roman did'n't have a dozen of false finishes heck even if he had, at least it made sense for him since he's booked strongly according to his imposing stature and embodiement.
You have never watched a single non-WWE match in your life, have you?
@@jackakimbo5718 i’ve watched and it so different to wwe. Non wwe matches are full of technical workrate with no believability at all.
I’m sorry but that slide in for the peoples elbow was 🔥
Dave Meltzer is the true wiseman when it comes to wrestling matches
Dave isn't always right, but in this case, he is 100% correct. Anyone who actually IS FAMILIAR with NJPW is going to admit this. People that just fangirl over WWE no matter how bad it gets, will insist Dave is wrong despite probably never seeing an NJPW match.
She’s right about wwe idk about Japan being more technically sound that’s is based on the wrestler
@@pleaseshutup7053yea I think the biggest difference is njpw matches get more time to breathe. Motib this year was a great ppv but most of the matches felt like they were cut for time whereas most njpw matches get the time to really ramp up into something a crowd can get behind
Meltzer isn’t right. It’s one thing to prefer NJPW style, but when Kurt Angle somehow doesn’t have a 5 star match in his career, then I can’t take that rating system seriously
As someone whose seen at least a few matches my biggest complaint is that the action doesn't flow that well. Even in the clips their showing to the backdrop of Meltzer praising their technical superiority you can see this good solid beat where the guy catches that kick, that enzuigiri and then there's this lag where it looks the guy just decided to fall. Alot of smaller promotions that get all this praise are like that including ROH. ROH has many matches where I've seen a number moves look like non sequiturs of motion. They'll just pull these seemingly random moves that don't seem to follow the preceding action or there will be these long pauses where their not showboating or menacing the opponent. Theyey kind of sit or stand their like potatoes that breathe. All the while their treating us to the live theatre equivalent of dead air (I'm pretty sure plenty fans joked WWEs rest holds but at least that was something). WWE at least in the late attitude era on through the Ruthless Aggression era was always very good about keeping the action fluid yet crisp filling any gaps with some kind of characterizing action by the wrestlers.
@@joshuaarawole8589 Meltzer was more into MMA when Kurt was in his prime. 2000s was his lost decade.
The lack of self-awareness from Dave is quite terrifying.
They did call out on disco and konans podcast that he’s possibly autistic.
Tell me you’re bias towards New Japan without directly telling me you’re bias towards New Japan.
Your statement makes no sense he actually just told you exactly why he was biased.
Even without the video, you can actually hear Dave's face.
People who've never watched new japan love to say it sucks lol
Only time it was boring asf was when AJ Styles was there many years ago.
It doesn't suck. It's just guys like Dave over-hype it so much that it gets annoying. It's like someone telling you to keep watching a movie that is great. The more you tell that person the movie is great, you will just get annoyed and not wanna watch.
@@TheTalk23I FOUND A WRESTLING FAN WITH FKN SENSE
Facts
It does suck. Unless you're a very niche fan who likes it or Japanese it's incredibly hard to get into and actually like. I've been to a bout 4 of their North American shows and just find the product boring.
I've seen enough to know that the WWE do teach their audience when to pop and when not to, and it also proves that they're more spot-orientated than just having those raw matches that don't necessarily require you to predict a certain move over and over again. Like it's a wrestler's repertoire, but there should be more from the occasion than mere spots
That's the things wwe matches feel fake because the wrestlers are usually just going through a checklist of spots. In new japan the wrestling actually feels organic and spontaneous like a real sport. Of course people who've never watched new japan wouldn't know this
@@leonconnelly5303 Lmao no. In Japan they don't sell whatsoever and they do outrageous moves and pop back up. Nothing about Japanese wrestling looks legit.
@@christianjames92 you know selling isn't a real thing right?
@@leonconnelly5303selling is Part of Pro Wrestling.
Yet he rates Aew 5 stars when it’s a even bigger spot list
I can almost see where he's coming from. Sounds like something along the lines of Japanese pro wrestling being more technically sound than the American sports entertainment based approach. Not sure what he's trying to imply though. As far as I'm concerned, that just makes the product different, not better or worse. It's great to have a variety to choose from. Every style has it's own flavour and appeal. At the end of the day, the squared circle remains the same at its essence, and we're all united by our love of the art.
The biggest heel of wrestling Dirty Dave Meltzer
Meltzer is a new Japan mark.
Lol no hesitation on that “no”
Dave gave 7 and a half stars to the clips that were shown
I like New Japan because you rarely see they kick out of finishers & that is how you should treat a finisher. WWE on the other hand, just remember Hulk Hogan got up after 2 Rock Bottoms at Wrestlemania.
Ive seen plenty of finishers kicked out of in new japan
Are you delusional mark? Japans style is kicking out of thousand finishers
I understand what he’s saying about WWE and he’s right but New Japan literally does nothing that he says most new Japan matches are set up the same . They just do every move they can do and when they’re done they do a finish
Dave is still mad at Vince for not letting him in that one time
We all want someone to love us like Dave loves New Japan
Dave Meltzer: Knocks WWE style for repetition
Also Dave Meltzer: Rates Kenny Omega and YB matches super high even though youll see 30 v-triggers and 50 superkicks as well as the same sequnces theyve been doing since their pwg days.
Got it
He doesn't do it the same way everytime unlike roman whose matches are all exactly the same.
I remember Jericho said when he went to WWE he had to learn their style, but once you do you can take it anywhere. Overall it's probably superior, but even if you love steak you might want spaghetti on occasion and if all they'll let you have is steak you might eventually start to hate steak.
It's just his preference and that's ok 🤷🏽♂️ he clearly favours NJPW and he didn't force anyone to care about his ratings but y'all still talk about them
@@ghostfacefrmscream it's hard but we exist lol
The fact that he has given Kenny Omega like 7 5 star matches but Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro, Steve Austin, The Rock and countless others were never given one tells you all you need to know about Dave Meltzer and his fetish for Japanese wrestling and his friends in particular
If Eddie vs Rey at Halloween Havoc 97 wasn’t a 5 star match then they shouldn’t exist at all.
Dave said once that he rates matches by how OVER the wrestlers are before & after the match. My prime example of Dave’s bias is The Rock vs Triple H in the Ladder Match @ SummerSlam 98. The match made The Rock & Triple H main event players & the match only got 🌟🌟🌟🌟. I call BS on Dave’s whole system.
That match was 90 minutes long I'm sorry that's just more impressive to have a great match that long rather then a great 20 minute match
@@brianjamesesq747 well atleast it got match of the year
correction it wasnt
You are exactly whats wrong woth wrestling fans.
"It's a lot more technically better"
Also Dave "ha ha, flip flip, 5 stars"
Dave is right the matches in New Japan got u jumping out your seat I been keeping up with Kenny Omega got me watching 👈🏼
I’m sory but njpw is boring to me
@@bash8387 that's cool on your own opinion bro
That’s true wwe wrestling is so safe. Adam Cole v gargantuan with the super kick sounds and the indie wrestling moves and what not is what wwe needs. They legit shortened Cody Rhodes move set in wwe
I have found it hard to pinpoint this before, but that is a perfect observation.
I can watch Japanese and Lucha style for the excitement, but save that “technically better” shit for someone else, Dave. If you want pacing and storytelling you’re gonna find that in the WWE. Like what you like, just don’t lie to justify it. It’s your preference, don’t lie to yourself.
Call me old school, but wrestling is meant to simulate a fight, not a movie fight scene. Because, well….it comes off as way too choreographed because it is. Trampoline role play seriously affected a whole generation of fans who then became the wrestlers.
when he said "technically better"
he meant that their actual wrestling technique is more refined, and NOT that they're better on a technicality
@@Colon-Threeh, I knew exactly what he meant. And he’s delusional if he thinks the Japanese gymnasts are technically better than guys like Angle and Benoit.
Their acrobatics are definitely more refined. That’s not wrestling.
@@JM1993951 calling them "japanese gymnasts" shows you have no clue what you're talking about. high flyers are not the only wrestlers outside of wwe, or even the most prominent wrestlers. you also listed 2 of the best technical wrestlers of all time as your justification, which is stupid because those are outliers and not a representation of the average wwe wrestler.
nothing looks LESS like a fight than the extremely extremely safe + formulaic wwe style. guys in N.J. constantly beat the Fucc out of each other and end the match bloodied and bruised. the only guy in wwe who wrestles like its a fight is brock. the other 99% of the roster wrestle so tame + safe. u want it to look like a real fight? well dont watch Cena do his 5 knuckle shuffle punch that he always wiffs on purpose (for safety) and the camera always changes to a different angle as he's coming down with his fist to cover it up. once you start to notice these things you can't Un-See them
At least chris calls him out.
@kalvinstrange623 no, for his star ratings that dont mean sh#$. His obvious bias, his rumor peddling tgat ruins lives and careers. Its all a tool by Dave to push his preferences(japan strongstyle spot monkey no sell crap) into the mainstream. Which....will never happen. No one except Dave and british youtubera care about NJPW matches.
Chris: They wrestle different type of Wrestling
Dave: JAPAN IS OBJECTIVELY MORE TECHNICALLY COMPETENT
id argue OG NXT was the perfect balance of both of these styles. i find njpw since it doesn’t have that instant built in pop factor for certain moves, sequences etc. it needs to achieve this by constantly raising the stakes and ramping up the action, njpw is starting to get notoriously bad for overusing false finishes, overusing finishers themselves etc. because that’s their main point of consistency for working the crowd and getting the fans invested, whereas, as meltzer said, wwe builds its fan investment through familiarity and consistency in its in ring performances, fans are conditioned to be able to see the real finish coming, whether it’s how many kick outs have happened already, a ref bump, the way the finisher is performed, how things are countered etc, all these things make wwe matches far more predictable in the end, but the journey to the finish can be far more enjoyable as the fans can follow it right to the end and be able to see where it’s going, and the action pops the crowd far easier when the crowd is familiar with certain sequences and moves that they know they can expect to be pivotal in the build up to a finish. the original nxt i think found that perfect balance of both of these, it worked the crowd in the wwe way, having escalating drama not by one upping moves, but through certain theatrics, familiarity with sequences etc. but they still leaned heavily into getting that njpw unpredictability factor, where they subverted expectations much more than main roster wwe did, with much more variation in their false finishes, sequences etc. that’s why i think the original nxt had some of the best wreslting style of all time, people always simplify it and say nxt was basically wwe’s way of presenting “indie” style wrestling, and although that’s quite a surface level way of looking at it, i think that’s right, wwe i think provides the best version of story based wrestling and wrestling that’s specifically tailored to garner a certain planned reaction from the crowd, whereas indie wrestling tells its story as it is and allows the crowd to follow in their own way and react in the moment much more organically, and they achieve that with a much more technical style where the match is almost escalating, the only issue with that is when you’ve done thousands of matches you can only keep escalating so far and subvert expectations so many times before people do start to see it coming, which is why nxt was so perfect, it took that amazing indie style and foundations of technical wrestling but added in the more theatrical base of wwe as a way of escalating and subversion rather than doing it purely through the in ring work and moves, nxt took indie wrestling and put it in a new context that made it feel fresh again, for me ur recaptured what made indie wrestling so big in the early 2000s. nxt was the first promotion/brand in a long time that truly presented a new style, which in the modern era is so difficult to do.
Japanese crowds love technical acrobatic stuff, but they're also not as vocal as US crowds. Read once that Beyonce got so frustrated with a Japanese crowd being quiet that she walked off the stage. But they do love their game shows.
I can tell WWE marks are going to invade this comments section. Yes dear WWE marks. There are other ways and styles to wrestling. AAA,NJPW,AEW,MLW are there if you wanna watch something fresh apart from the 999th betrayal angle wwe has done in the last 6 months.
They suck. Mindless Moves after Moves, Countless false finisher and No selling
I call cap, How many times have we seen bullet club beat up their leader when he is about leaving New Japan?
How many times have we seen someone beat Okada only for Okada to Cena his way and beat him up at WrestleKingdom?
Repetitions happen everywhere in Wrestling, Dave is just straight out lying.
@@peterdaskinheadThey suck because you like McDonalds style WWE wrestling. I dont. I grew up on WWE but at this point its borderline unwatchable for me.
@@JoshTooSportyonly Omega to Styles and then Jay did it 5 years later to Omega. That's only a bullet club thing. It's not the whole show where stone cold does it to Vince who does it to rock who does it to Stone cold ad infinitum
@@MJfp6lxand Austin is the biggest name in wrestling history so eat your heart out
Repetition Dave? Your criticism on WWE is repetition and your fav is New Japan? The same place where they lock up, nobody gets the better of it so they simultaneously kip (kick) up at the same time to a pop. They then do arm drags for 30 seconds into a headlock. They then trade transitional moves for a few mins, one gets thrown outside the other suicide dives out to him to a pop. Then they get some colour, table spot, back into the ring trade more moves. Hit a finisher each, trade forearm shots, drops to knees, more forearm shots, collapse again, no sell a big move followed by flexing and a scream, some flippy moves, trade finisher again, 2 count, then do some wrestling holds into a big strike into a finisher with the match finally ending after 87 minutes. Stfu Dave you mark.
Indeed.
You watched one new japan and decided that there all exactly like that lol. Tell me how every wwe main event isn't exactly the same
This is great. Brilliant. 😂😂😂
@@leonconnelly5303 I've watched the Omega Vs Okadas. Omega Vs Ospreay, Jericho Vs Omega. Some other lad Vs Okada. Fuji water or something I think his name was. Highlights of some "New Japan classics". Every single Japanese guy that comes to AEW put on the same match with AEW guys. I'm talking about AEW guys aswell btw. All the same matches. I'll tell you how WWE is different. If something happens like somebody gets put through a table or hits their head on an exposed turnbuckle, they don't wrestle for another 15 to 30 mins. It's all down from there which makes the spot significant. WWE holds in wrestling usually aren't always entertaining because somebody eventually gets the better of it and somebody switches it up and throws a strike. It doesn't always end in nobody getting the better of each other and they kick up simultaneously. Finishers are more significant and even in WWE they've gone down the drain a bit since a bunch of indie guys joined which is annoying but whatever everyone in wrestling is like that. WWE can also tell a story through their matches. Somebody can actually be dominant, it's not always a slugfest with the same spots like trading shots, no sell big strike, taunt do a big strike back and drop to knees and continue trading there. That's every AEW and NJPW Main event ever. That shit can't happen every match and you be called a good wrestler because it's so lazy. WWE also don't botch anywhere near the amount of AEW or NJPW. I keep saying AEW aswell because they're tightly linked with NJPW and have a lot of their stars over in AEW. WWE is superior to both wrestling companies in practically everything. WWE can be repetitive. I've seen so many dumb rematches that are the exact same match but in fairness a lot of that was around Covid. There are things WWE are really dumb about I know but repetition has NJPW AND AEW STAMPED ALLLLL OVER IT.
19 V Triggers and 28 Rainmakers later I'm checking my watch wondering when the suffering will end.
Japanese wrestling is incredible
I kinda agree with him on the repetitiveness of wwe matches as alot of them feel like they go the same way with the same spots all the time but that doesn't mean its bad
I once checked out his 5-star matches, but I got bored after 50 false finishes and 50 finishers and it's only halfway into the match.
And this is the same guy that said The Fiend is both the best and worst gimmick and never gave Kurt Angle 5 stars for some reason.
I don’t think there is any denying that New Japan and AEW have a clear advantage over WWE in terms of high level wrestling (both in terms of technical and showmanship)
Neither of them have wrestlers that can throw a good punch besides MJF, just shitty forearms that make no sense to hit bc there’s a fist on that arm that’s a lot closer to the opponent’s face. Take out every big spot in NJPW and AEW, u get sloppy wrestling. they’re not good wrestling wise, moxley goes to the floor for minutes at a time even tho it’s supposed to be a ten count
Yeah that exploding barbed wire match was some unmatched showmanship lmao
@@OVO-Adolf Obviously closed fist punches are illegal in many promotions, that's why they use forearms. As for sloppy wrestling, you obviously don't watch NjpW if you think that. They're not all highspots, their guys are rigorously trained in fundamentals. Don't confuse NJPW with indie wrestling.
@@OVO-Adolf Btw NJPW does a 20 count, so you obviously don't watch them.
AEW is the most botched least talented show
agreed with Dave all the way
Ya know this could've just been cut down to:
WWE: Fun
New Japan: *_You're gonna get murdered!_*
WWE in current times is not fun.
@@The_Insanity_Plexhasn't been since Undertaker left
Both styles have merits and it seems both may have longevity. The question is can NJPW's style take them to a larger widespread audience. Sadly the average WWE fan doesn't even know they exist.
Aka the WWE focuses on entertaining the crowd and hopefully telling a story, while New Japan just do a bunch of moves until they call for the end of the match, and then try to figure a story and entertainment somewhere in there.
Who told u that ?
Meltzer sounds so bias
You're an idiot
“Do you not like WWE”
“No”
- Dave
I agree with the second half a bit. It's a bit less predictable what direction they're going... But I enjoy both styles
I think Dave Meltzer is ⭐️⭐️
I actually agree with him and I think WWE could be so much better in ring if they were doing the same. I love WWE but Japan has an incredible technicality in ring.
Dave likes that spot fest and no selling crap, too many moves in a row that don’t make any sense.
You’ve never watched njpw once
bias
Preference* your bias is showing when you call him bias for enjoying something other than wwe
Everyone is biased
Cutting to an image of Moxley who is the most predictable, boring wrestler
Nah Roman reigns
@@leonconnelly5303 he's getting up there for sure. Needs to switch up the matches a little bit
I only watch Japanese wrestling during AEW shows but if that is a sample then what he said couldn't be further from the truth. Some matches were really cool and the only thing that was flat was the finish and this happened several times too Osprey vs. Omega being maybe the most egregious example where they just hit a bunch of moves at the end with no build up (including a botched Tiger Driver) and it ended. There is a reason why you want the audience to pop on certain moves and why in games they are called signature moves and finishes, because they should setup the ending and then finish the match, you want to get creative about the psychology of the last quarter of the match and not necessarily about the whole thing or the moves themselves.
I dont know if you've played the 2k series but with Resilience you can pretty much kick out of any finisher.
In this short, the clip of The Rock doing the sliding People's Elbow was way cooler than anything from NJPW, maybe the editor was trying to bury them on purpose.
did you ever saw a japanese wrestling match before saying that ?
Dave is a biased elitist. Idk why anyone takes his opinion seriously when it's clearly evident.
He really did take a long time to simply say "No, I don't prefer the WWE style." NJPW is amazing, but a major red flag for a bias is when the person doesn't even acknowledge there's any real to be suspected of bias. That means he's either completely blind to it, or he's being deceptive. It's ok to have a preference, Dave. Just say that.
He basically did say be prefers japan what did you listen to ...technically better and wwe is to repetitive
@@benjaminmarshall1068he didnt answer the question.
Maybe some people like repetition.
And maybe some people dislike overly technical stuff.
We all know where he was going so he could have simply addressed bias instead of giving a round about answer.
And they cant cut promos.........
So, can't 98% of them in Connecticut. 🤷♂️
man who has never watched NJPW comments on NJPW
Weird way to word I don't understand Japanese neither have I ever watched any NJPW show and I am talking out of my ass
How would you know how good a Japanese promo is
@@Zoninatoryou japanese wrestling fans are fans of fake fights, shitty promo, and weirdo japanese anime pedophile culture...... typical behavior from the usual suspects.
Dave has given AEW more 5 star matches in their short existence than WWE in their long existence. To answer your question, no he doesn’t like WWEs match style.
Yeah because they repeat them 10000 times on raw every week
@@MJfp6lxV-TRIGGER! HE'S ONLY HIT THE MOVE 30 TIMES!
I checked out New Japan for the first time today and I gotta say.. that shit is some of the best wrestling matches I ever seen!
I feel like its weird to criticise one for repetitiveness but not the other when NJPW you can end up having 15 finishers in a single match
Seen of a lot of these DM clips and the best rebuttal to everyone saying CVV exposed him is that bit about WWE crowds being taught to pop.
WWE can do those styles of matches....they just save them for the top tier rivalries and matches...Balor vs Rollins...Edge vs Cena.....Reigns vs Lesnar.....Usos vs New Day and that's how WWE make those matches live long in ther memory
Technically every wrestling promotion is the same it's all scripted fights for entertainment, WWE is just the most interesting and always has been
The only guy working the marks coming from outside of the industry.
WWE need to add that style to them if you ask me. Make themselves more layered
Speaking as a WWE fan I can agree with this. I get tired of seeing the same moves and hearing the same promos and catch phrases