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B.C. unicyclists hit with pricey tickets
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2023
- Electric unicycles are becoming a popular form of transportation in B.C. But as Joel Ballard reports, with a lack of regulation, riders have found themselves on the wrong side of the law.
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Welcome to Vancouver, feel free to do drugs, sell drugs, launder money... but don't you dare ride an electric unicycle.
In other words…. Welcome to a liberal city.
@@crosisofborg5524 While I agree that being too liberal is a serious problem here I guarantee if we were conservative they would have banned escooters and e-unicycles right from the get go.
That’s also against the law😂 holy smokes
100% lol
@@littleripper312as conservatives like less regulation your logic is so very broken
I guess it's a lot safer to go after a geek on a unicycle than a real criminal.
until they start fleeing down alley ways... if its really that easily maneuverable then surely they can just escape the cops
@@notexpatjoe We are actually having a police shortage problem. Cops are leaving or retiring far faster then they can be hired.
@@bmxscape You can't evade a radio...
@@bmxscape Unless the cops are also on unicycles? That I would actually pay to see.
@@Plasmastorm73_n5evv u gotta think quick man, dip down an alley and the cop car will drive around the block. during that time u backtrack through the ally and go somewhere else. aint no backup coming in 8 seconds
Over here in The Netherlands at least the laws are clear. These things are considered mopeds under the law and that means they have to meet all of the requirements that a moped has to meet. If they do, the importer or manufacturer can apply for a type rating for it to be allowed on the road.
The thing is, these things don't and can't meet the requirements as set in the law. This is mostly related to the brakes, so there is a legitimate safety concern at the root of it. Most of the other requirements can be bypassed on technicalities if a manufacturer really wanted to.
But as it stands, over here it's a moped, so it must have a plate and be insured and you're required to have an AM-class license to ride it. But because of the brake requirements, it can't get a plate. And because it has no plate, it can't be insured. And thus it isn't allowed off private property.
The state I live in has them labeled as mopeds too. Also must be insured and licenced. The law was changed cuz of the rental skooters that the city has.
That's a bit silly. They should just treat it like a bicycle, except you just need insurance ($80-$100/year).
@@happydappyman in order for it to be a bicycle it has to have pedals and the electric motor can only be pedal assist.
These things do not have pedals and thus can't have pedal assist. That makes them mopeds.
Mind you this law was put in place during the heyday of the OG Segway. So it's not like manufacturers weren't aware of these rules for going on 2 decades. They just chose not to go that route.
@@fermitupoupon1754 yep, and I'm saying those standards are dumb. There are countries in Europe where they do exactly what I explained in my last post and have been doing so for 5 years. Makes a lot more sense than a bunch of arbitrary pedal assist nonsense.
@@happydappyman I know they have been and I think they're inviting more trouble than it's worth.
I've had to deal with trying to recoup 650 euro in damages from a kid on a Xiaomi e-scooter when he ran into my motorcycle and bent my exhaust.
Have you any idea what kind of hassle it is to sue the parents of a 13 year old? Especially if that 13 year old managed to put himself in hospital at the same time. Kid was wearing noise cancelling earpods and riding an illegal, uninsured vehicle, without a license.
Same with a guy on an OG Segway who put me in hospital after colliding with me in a mall, and then he took off.
Liability is probably handled differently in other countries, but from my point of view, they're mopeds and should be treated as such. Even if only to make dealing with the liability in an accident easier. Not to mention tracking down an offender.
With fines from $2k -$10k for off leash dogs in parks, play grounds, tennis and basketball courts. You would think the city would direct their attention to that and help keep small children safe.
Those are ridiculous fines.
@@sb3424yes, but doesnt seem to deter.
@@sb3424yes, but the fine amount doesn't seem to be a deterrent at all. Guess the people are to rich to care
@sb3424 True, but they are not working 😂 those crazy rich.... Oh well
God forbid we decrease traffic congestion and pollution 😵💫
You can only blame automotive companies for lobbying to keep people inside cars.
Just like Ads ! There is money in ads but NO money in stopping them😅 Tuff world we live in! And just to be sure if you think for a second your going to be able to go 45km an hours with no gas with out paying them some how? 😂 ITS THEIR JOB TO TAX YOU Hahahah are you lost ? This is not a new thing! They HAVE to tax everything people do! It’s the whole point of capitalism and government
@@GlennSweden1 But hate the competitions making more than them.
that's fine so long as he has insurance on that unicycle🤣
You aren’t though.
Here in Germany, penalties start at a full monthly wage gross and go as far as imprisonment. Driving an environmentally friendly small electric vehicle is punished more severely than the hundred-thousandfold fraud of the former Audi boss. Politicians from all parties have already announced that they do not want to change anything, the competition for the domestic car industry would probably be too big. E-scooter drivers faced similar penalties until the EU regulated e-scooters and forced Germany to legalize them. This leads to such absurd situations as in Austria, where driving a rental scooter that is lying around everywhere actually violates national law.
Not the worst thing German authorities have done
but they put up no highway speed limits
@@mr_brass_monkey The car is the sacred cow of the Germans. Here you can even drive drunk, kill a person and still become transport minister.
That’s very backwards. I live in New York City where a lot of people ride these. Nobody gets a ticket even though they’re technically not legal. They’ve just decided to not enforce the law against these.
Wow. Here in Sweden we can still ride them as bikes.
#1 stop telling police that you're carrying ID when you're not driving
Any court update on this? ie. were the ticket/s upheld or dismissed?
As far as I know, they were dismissed. However, this hasn’t stopped the tickets, or the police behaviour towards them. It’s honestly super disheartening, because many people are back in their cars and refusing to ride due to the stress of harassment.
People still need to take time to go to court and fight the tickets. This is tyranny mixed with incompetence at the local government level.
Get these people out of office.
Judges should have the right to redirect proven false fines to the writer of the ticket.
Make them accountable for their actions.
@@GEX-_- Good luck with that
That sucks, just another excuse to rob people for more money
It's the same thing for electronic longboards as well. You apparently need insurance for you to ride them, but you literally can't get insurance for them because they aren't classified as vehicles.
then stop driving them. If you do get into an accident your insurance won't pay anything. is that really worth the risk?
They literally have scooters to rent
Lime and bird. What type of crud is this lol.
@@Knight_Jos spoken like an old fart. Yes it is worth it, because they're fun to ride. Your argument is the same as "why do motorcycles exist, if there's a bigger risk of bodily harm when riding them?" Or "why go swimming if there's a risk of drowning? Is it even worth it?"
Or better yet "why fly in a plane? They can crash y'know.."
@trumpisthemessiah7017 exactly, next we'll need insurance to walk down the street or breath the 1%'s oxygen
@trumpisthemessiah7017 Yes you should. Cyclist kill and hurt a lot of people each year.
In my city in the U.S. we can ride anything gas powered or electric in the streets without insurance or a license as long as it doesn't exceed 25mph at full throttle. However, they are not permitted to be on the expressway, freeway or interstate.
Hell yea. Canada is f*cked up. This super troopers 2 😂
@@TotallyNotBrandon lmao yes it does
@@TotallyNotBrandon forward and rear facing cameras keep the white folks in line.
@@user-co6ww2cm9kNo it doesn’t. Americans don’t share the road with bikes, and don’t share the road with mopeds, even. Half of them are simply confused, and the other half is driven by misdirected anger. It’s a bummer, but that’s how it is.
Sounds very reasonable to me.
Maybe if more discussions are needed THEN DON'T FINE PEOPLE IN THE MEANTIME? What utter BS.
what? 600$ for no insurance? holy cow
For cars it's like $4000.
Who does riding a Unicycle hurt?
What logical reason is there to give a $600 ticket other than attempting to steal money?
i wonder whether it'd count as a bicycle if you attached a rollerskate wheel on the seat
@@markifi It's so nutty that we even have to think of doing stuff like that. These are literally the same as ebikes and escooters. What is wrong with this city. We have a massive traffic problem as well as a poverty problem and riding stuff like this helps with both of those things. Yet Vancouver hates cyclists and wants us to all drive cars.
@@markifi See, now someone with an actual brain is thinking instead of whining about the "man"
@@everydaytenor8862 "highway speeds" lol, these things don't even go close to highway speeds... lmao, but okay....
Next thing you know they will fine you for suicide,
In France monowheels have been recognized by law as an authorized vehicle since July 2019, they have the right to circulate on the streets, cycle paths, and roads whose speed limit does not exceed 70km/h for cars. They have designed the same regulations for all means of electric micro-mobility (EDPM).
We have the obligation to insure them against damage to other people and property, this costs between 30 and 100€ per year depending on the insurance companies.
That sounds ideal - any tips on how that got done, and so relatively early too? Maybe I should move to France ... California is also somewhat progressive, BC is trying, and the e-scooter trial was a decent step in the right direction, I just don't understand why it excluded e-wheels and e-skate.
How much liability does that EUR30-100 insurance get you? Any other limits to the devices? EUCs can be safely speed limited, but it is dangerous to limit thier wattage, as they need that to stay balanced - needs a very high torque motor to briefly spike in juice when you hit a pothole.
@@brushlessmotoring , Collectives of users and representatives of stores campaigned together for the monowheel to be recognized in the law which was being prepared to regulate electric mobility (bicycles, scooters, draysiennes, monowheel, etc.), they went to meetings to explain this mode of transport and show the interest of including it in mobility (low CO2 emissions, no noise, no parking, and good intermodality with public transport), it took a few years.
In France monowheels are not limited in power, but in speed: by law they must be "materially" limited to 25km/h, except that in practice no wheel is (software restriction only, and nobody 'enabled). The police do almost no checks, except in the streets of Paris where a very large number of bicycles and EDPM cohabit on the cycle paths (in the center of the city there are often more bicycles than cars now), they visually check that the monowheels do not go too fast compared to the bicycles (30-35km/h, still passes, but beyond that they verbalize and can even confiscate the material). They have also begun to control insurance. Insurance at €30/year covers damage caused to third parties (persons and equipment/vehicles) but does not cover any damage to oneself and the wheel. For 100€/year there is insurance which also covers the pilot and his wheel.
@@brushlessmotoring In France you can literally buy cars that can be driven without a license, they have the top speed of a golf cart but they look like a very compact car. On the other hand, Paris banned all those rental e-scooters and e-bicycle companies from operating because they were being a nuisance and causing property damage which would go unpaid.
Great
@@PURENT No, only free floating e-scooters that were causing real problems and because operators were not implementing the features asked by the city hall fast enough and well enough.
The free floating e-bikes were not affected and remain available.
They've even asked the companies to beef up their fleets in preparation for the Olympics.
It's a commonwealth country where they think they can do anything to truckers or others that have done nothing wrong. This is why Americans got rid of Great Britain hundreds of years ago.
the real question is how do we keep safe from police and government?
Mobility devices like these should be legalized and treated the same as bikes and e-scooters.
And they should be insured, just like all bicycles
@@OptionalZeroI think the real threat here is cars.
Especially this EV should be insured. It is very risky for pedestrians, which is much more dangerous on the road, too, because of its high speed & single wheel design.
@@OptionalZero No true a all!
@@OptionalZeroe-bikes are already legal and go just as fast, take up more room on the road.
So a 25 lb wheel is banned for being too dangerous but 6,000 lb SUVs which FREQUENTLY run over children are totally fine. BS. We need to discourage cars and encourage micro-mobility.
Yeah cars are responsible for 1.3M deaths per year, yet no one wants to talk about those stats!
The wheel in question is 90lbs and can go 72km/h
@@Gycamo02that’s not true. The rider got ticketed on an S18. The absolute max speed is 50km/h and it weighs 48lbs. The other rider was riding a V11 which has a max speed of 55km/h and weighs 59lbs. Both riders were going under 30km/h when ticketed. Also, do you know the top speed of a 6000lb SUV?
@@eevees Looks a lot more like the veteran sherman max to me, you can see the display at 0:12
25lb, 50lb, 90lb, what does it matter when we’re comparing it against a 6000lb object that can go over 200km/h?
It should not be a controversy as to whether a vehicle is legal to operate on pubic roadways and what restrictions apply to that vehicle. A ticket for not having required insurance does not lose its enforceability if insurance cannot be obtained as required. The argument that an operator cannot afford insurance and therefor is exempt from having the required coverage does not excuse and the availability of such insurance is likewise not an exemption. The law likely provides for 'self insurance' in which the operator must put up money in escrow to be held by the state against the need for coverage of at fault liabilities.
FYI folks, by ticketing, the police hasten the laws to address these modes of transportation. Better than having an unregulated form of transportation which remains undecided which laws apply to it. Injuries including death will occur to riders and to other people. An electric unicycle is bound by the laws of physics and due to its design will exhibit unique differences for collision avoidance. Example, what is the average stopping distance a 180 pound person traveling at 40 kph?
Should be enough to have personal liability insurance, not specific "EUC" insurance.
Exactly.
I got insurance on mine no issues for liability
Exactly! But this is not what their corporate masters are thinking... You can't make money on useless insurance if you are not selling it to the fools.
@trumpisthemessiah7017 Yes, I know how insurance works. :) I have 1mil Liability on my EUC. If i hit someone or something, as well as they will replace it, if crashed! It's put under my home insurance. They also took my euc Serial number. My jet ski is insured under my home insurance as well the same.. coverage.
Yeah, you can definitely do some harm with these things. Looks like dude has a pretty fast one too. And I've seen these things rip through the streets. I agree with them needing liability insurance.
In Austria I had a friend pulled over on 5000w scooter (that was permanently limited to 25kmh and around 500w by him) officer pulled him over while doing 25km/h, read it says 5000w on the motors, said it's an actual motorcycle, not even a moped, proceed to give him 11 tickets in total costing 1100euro ($1300): no insurance, no registration, no motorcycle license , no horn, no blinkers, no low/high beam etc. Insane country and officers
If you get a ticket riding one of these, you need to fight it in court and file a countersuit. If there is no regulation specific to unicycles then the ticket should be dismissed. If it is not dismissed, you can appeal it. Just don't let the government railroad your freedoms. It is through registrations that the state has jurisdiction. The courts lack subject matter jurisdiction over unicycles because there are no statutes related to their regulation. Think of it this way, do you need to register a horse?
An unregulated vehicle means that the state chooses not to regulate it. It's like requiring registration for horses. He should have fought those tickets and then sued the cop in private arbitration.
Absolute CROCK OF SH** ...I don't own one..don't plan on it. BUT I've watched enough videos to damn near be an expert on them 💪 I support all these fancy new types of electric vehicles!! They belong on whatever infrastructure we deem appropriate for bicycles. They are going equivalent speeds and are similar in weight (if we talk ebikes) And safety is no more a concern on these than ANY vehicle that isn't an enclosed shell of metal for it's operator.
Sick and tired of 2 ton metal boxes getting free pass after forking free pass. I know which type of transportation I'D rather have an accident with, that's for damn sure.
Try to find some stats on how many people electric unicycle riders have killed. Go ahead.. I'm totally gonna wait here.
And by wait here I mean, my YT notifications are ON lol
I love you.❤❤
Law makers need to start paying attention to the emergance of these technologies and provide people with options. It's clear that they want to reduce cars/ICE vehicles, but haven't considered any alternatives or explored the emerging technologies out there.
In the same way that not everyone wants to drive a 4 door sedan, not everyone wants to ride a bicycle.
They all wants us to ride buses and boring bicycles, and keep paying our taxes until we are spent. None of the ones in power use anything but their luxury cars of course, so even if they wanted to reduce pollution they wouldn't be able to see the forest for all the trees.
It is not so clear.
You must understand that the Canadian government is one hundred % corrupted and doesn't give a damn about Canadians. The only interest they care for is the interest of their corporate masters, who actually put them to the government in the first place.
The only thing that corporations care about is PROFIT, and they don't sell EUC, EUC is a small industry, so they need to make money otherwise, for example by forcing you to buy their useless insurance, so you'll have monthly payments, practically you'll become their permanent slave for the rest of your life. Just like they already did with car owners.
You all have medical insurance by default in Canada, you have public health care, so where did the need for insurance come from?
And insurance would be nice to have. I have it on my ebike and escooter and it just gives me a little piece of mind. It's really cheap also. If they are really worried they could also just require a license plate on all electric vehicles. Might help with theft a little if they did.
As a voter it's up to you to bring it up at the city meeting.
They will not know about it if no one brings it up
@trumpisthemessiah7017 They are in the pockets of voters. They aren't going to win if no one votes for them. Just say that the voters are lazy and couldn't care less.
The city is mad that less people are driving cars. It means less revenue via traffic tickets and parking fines, so they gotta go after easy targets to punish them. "How DARE you use an electric unicycle? So you can potentially break less laws? Unacceptable"
car insurance is a multi-billion dollar extortion racket.
Absolutely Ridiculous. To be fair municipalities need to catch up with all electric vehicles. Cities want to to reduce emissions and should encourage electric bikes, etc. Clearly change is needed
If a cop gives a ticket for something they just made up because they're uneducated, or power tripping, or falsely inflating quotas, they should have to pay the fine out of their personal salary. Their department should pay court costs + lawyer fees + extra $ to the ticketed person for wasting their time/missed.
If he or she thinks their department misinformed them/poor training, they can pay it.
Laws should be logical and clear for everyone.
These are the future. I just pass 14,000 miles commuting via EUC in the city. The city needs to catch up.
Exactly. You getts itsss. I’ve got about 6000km myself split between 3 wheels.
We have a guy on one of these in Bristol, UK. I followed him in one winter morning on my cycle commute to work. Never indicated where he was turning, no shoulder checks, jumped up onto the pavement to get around a red light, in fact, he was all over the pavement....like escooters, a menace.
That's a law enforcement issue. I ride a bicycle and never run red lights, however I have seen plenty of cars do it while I'm out driving/riding. Police need do some policing.
just like you cyclist
@@JaneTheDoe-id2vx I don't ride my bike on pavements and stop at red. These wheels, along with escooters are motorised traffic and should not be on pavements or cyclepaths. In the UK, private escooters are illegal to ride in public....for good reason, they are a menace for pedestrians and so are these wheels, no matter how cool-looking people think they are.
Shut up mark
@@Digit0wL No, I won't :)
“ you can’t even get insurance on these things ” his reasoning is hilarious 😂
its called "personal liability insurance" or "Umbrella Insurance".
So you think you should only be able to ride on private property? Either you're not a fan of freedom or you're so small minded you don't understand the value of freedom. I feel really sorry for you. Maybe someone has to infringe on something you love for your self involved mentality to even begin to understand something so basic.
@@sidvicious332 if you can't get a vehicle insured, it can't be on the road.
Being ignorant of a law is no excuse to break a law. "I didn't know" is not a valid defense.
@@sidvicious332If he gets into an accident, who's liable for the repairs, the other guy?
17,000km of riding for me so far. Best way to get around.
I got one a few weeks ago. Still learning...
@@bigglyguy8429Keep at it, happy riding!
@@leetNightshade Cheers! I only get to ride on Sunday mornings. Am still at the stage of holding my wife's elbow, but this Sunday I shall do one length of the little car park holding on, then I'm determined to let go and learn by doing it! Worst injury so far, a bent-back finger that's still a bit tender now. Wrist protector helped my wrist, not my finga! I'm 100% confident I shall be riding around a bit next Sunday *crosses fingers
Amazing! How many years is that?
@@001sander2 I’m halfway through my 3rd year of riding. I basically replace my car 8 months of year, and just use a backpack as my trunk :)
Electric unicycles have a trolly handle, it’s like a suitcase handle that pops up which is completely unique to electric unicycle’s. It makes them insanely practical to take shopping.
I was once driving at 80 km/h in the city, and a unicycle was actually going faster than I was, on the sidewalk! Not an area where you'd see any pedestrians, but still... Yeah, those things should require insurance.
No. EUCs weigh less than a motorcycle. The damage in a crash is minimal so that your no fault insurance won't even cover it. The rider may want medical insurance. Plus because there is no way to register them there's no way to insure them except through a manufacturer's warranty. If you get a ticket riding one of these, you need to fight it in court and file a countersuit. If there is no regulation specific to unicycles then the ticket should be dismissed. If it is not dismissed, you can appeal it. Just don't let the government railroad your freedoms. The courts lack subject matter jurisdiction over unicycles because there are no statutes related to their regulation. It's the same with riding a horse. No need to register a horse, nor do you need a driver's license to ride a horse. I.E., traffic court's lack subject matter jurisdiction. It is through registrations that the state has jurisdiction.
Make stupid laws, win stupid prizes.
Lawmakers should go to prison for such stupidity.
Build the infrastructure for pedestrians, cyclists, and cars in separate lanes!!!
Theres countries that parents let their kids take their bike to school cause they know their path will never cross an intersection with cars.
here in the U S OF America I rode a 10-speed to school all through my time in high-school. In one of the biggest metropolitan city clusters in the South West. No bike lanes, Right lane of traffic, and side walks. That high-school serviced a 3 - 5 mile radius of 14 to 18 yr olds most of whom rode bicycles. Hardly ever had an accident and we mobbed the roads.
I would never drive my kids to school. I don't have a car
American cities are built around car travel and I doubt it will ever change.
mobb the roads respectfully and safe brother make sure we can continue to have fun and freedom@@daniellow426
Problem is a lot of the electric unicycles and ebikes sold today can easily go as fast as city traffic, over 60km/hr, too fast for bike lanes shared with little kids riding with their parents. So maybe they need to look at license and insurance for them if capable of a certain speed.
My city has introduced a new law requiring insurance and a moped license. Any gas/electric vehicle (even E-Bikes) that have the ability to go over 20MPH and must be 16 or older. 16 and under is 20mph max and do not require permit or insurance. I see this reg coming to more cities.
How does that apply to nonresident travelers going through your town.
Where I am no license is required and a moped license is just a drivers license.
You say anything over 20 mph but the rules are 20 under its own power and class 3 can go 28 if helped but only 20 if you don't pedal.
Sounds like the law doesn't effect legal e-bikes at all.
A nearby town requires registration of e-bikes but I can ride through without needing to get registered because I live outside their jurisdiction.
They can't prohibit people from riding through or require every traveling rider to register.
I think that's completely ridiculous honestly. I'm disabled and I cannot drive, but I can absolutely use an e-bike. Since I can't get my license that rule would prevent me from using an e-bike that I have full capability of using. That's ableist and I'd take them to court frankly.
You can go over 20mph on a pedal bike too. This reasoning is absurd.
In Toronto You can ride it. But Only in Bike lanes if you are not on a bike lane or if you ride on a sidewalk you will be ticketed.
No insurance on a motorized vehicle is indeed an issue. But he should be starting an insurance company, lobbying, not bitching.
This is utter non-sense! Other than a different skillset required to ride them, unicycles, scooters or e-bikes are the same thing from the traffic perspective. It should be limited to a certain speed to ride without a license or insurance, but other than that there is no difference.
Maybe the police can focus on the shootings, property theft, cars racing mad at night, cars not yielding to pedestrians at legal crosswalks, loud parties at night or many other things that are actually damaging, dangerous or far more annoying.
$600 is nuts - totally out of proportion - a penalty that was meant for someone driving a car or a truck without insurance. It's just a vicious, deliberate cash grab by the police. Running a red light is $167, and running a red light can easily and very likely be deadly.
It's not possible to limit the speed of an EUC because all the device actually does is to keep itself balanced. If it would suddenly slow down for any reason other than at drivers will, it would cause immediate and very dangerous accident. Only "limit" that exists is how much power the device has available and possible alerts regarding to getting too close to that limit.
@@MikaelLevoniemi It absolutely could be limited just like any ebike.
@@beer1for2break3fast4 It's not physically possible without causing a major accident immediately. EUC can not brake on its own. It can hint about going too fast by tilting the pedals back, but despite that it can not brake if the rider does not want to do that.
Sure, but if the rider hits the push-back & keeps leaning even farther forward anyway, the resulting wreck is their fault for ignoring the warnings. I think every long-time EUC or Onewheel rider has done it at least once & most learn their lesson really quick. Speed limits on EUCs already exist & there's no physics reason preventing that limit from being set lower; stupid riders are a problem that solves itself
Also, if the pushback & cutoff limits were set lower, those who do continue to push past the pushback limit & wreck, would wreck at a lower speed. win\win
I'm not sure why he thinks he needs to spend money on a lawyer. People fight traffic tickets all the time. They just show up in court. Just do a little home work and then schedule a court date and show up. "Your honour this is stupid and this is why ..." :)
I've done that for a ticket but they don't remove it they just give you a reduced amount. Still worth doing though. Saying he needs a lawyer for a $600 ticket was I guess him trying to be dramatic.
@@littleripper312You can appeal it to a jury trial which is a logistical and financial nightmare for the government and negates the revenue generation potential of traffic tickets.
You have to prove you did not break the law. If you are successful the judge will dismiss the case and the policeman that booked you will also send you flowers with an apology note attached. Let me know how you get on,,,
@@philtucker1224 Oh really? Wow. Let me go out and sorta kinda maybe break the law now. Gee, thanks. :)
They're safe.. but dude has full Kendo armour on,like hes going to Ottawa to violate people's rights to protest.
Police: "I do think while they're great, there are rules and the rules are set in place to keep the riders and other people on the road safe but definitely more discussion needs to be had between us, between the city uh ICBC just on how we can better coordinate moving forward on how we can go about this." Sounds as if the police and the system are clueless. Don't see how a unicycle and a bicycle are really any different, well besides the obvious. Instead of police stopping real crimes like the distribution of illegal drugs, they go for things that just harass people. Why, because it is easier for the police to harass normal citizens then go out and address the real problems a city like Vancouver is experiencing.
Why the concern with EUCs having no insurance, and yet both e-bikes and e-scooters don't need it. Plus, the cops never seemed to do anything about the cyclists on non-motorized bikes that go screaming down the streets with barely any regard for safety.
safety=money
You need insurance for eBikes if they are over 500W according to ICBC. These EUC can go up to 4500W, most models are way above 500W.
The bicycle lobby was able to force some laws through that protected cyclists and let them do what the want.
@@lIIustration we can speed limit EUCs in software, but it’s important not to power limit them - the need that 2000W not to go fast, but to stay upright when you hit a pothole - that needs a sudden blip of power to pull you out of the hole and then it immediately reduced the power again - it modulates the power thousands of times a second to stay balanced.
You do need it for ebikes. My ebike is 500watts and goes 32kpr max so it doesn't but if it's above that it's officially a limited speed motorcycle. The problem with the EUC's is they aren't offering them insurance like they do for ebikes.
If it's not a 2 ton metal box with air conditioning, entertainment screens and cup-holders they're going to try to stop it. Fact of life.
They can be insured and kept under regulations by law! Your toy can not and IS NOT regulated by the DOT like everyone else is subjected too😅 so why are you special ? Why must we go threw the DOT line ups but not you ?
@@zometthecomet Why is your fossil fuel burning toy better than my ultra-efficient toy? They both serve the exact same purpose, transportation, and we all pay for the same roads.
@@ChrisB... tell me again how my perfectly legal Segway ninebot max g2 is as you describe “ a fossil fuel toy “ I can insure and ride my unit where ever I feel! Just because you bought into a dream that has not been realized does mean everyone else is delusional as well! I read up on my local laws before acting maybe you should have as well
@@zometthecomet I built my own street legal dream, two of them in fact. Both were legal "motorized bicycles" when I built them 8 and 6 years ago, and thus I consider them legal today, as do cops apparently. Anyway, enjoy your box.
@@ChrisB... I will :)
Kind of reminds me of how, for decades, skateboarding was illegal on the road and sidewalk. Legally you could only do it on private property or at a public skatepark. It was a $25 ticket iirc from its inception in the 90’s, up until it was finally repealed around 2016 or so.
You get it.
Explain how this is different from an electric bike? Last i checked 2 seconds ago the government are giving rebates to people who buy electric bikes. Tell me the difference between this and an E-bike? Why discriminate, this is my transportation. I cant store a e-bike in my tiny vancouver apartment. Would they rather me buy a car and burn fossil fuels?
It's Illegal to ride electric bikes that don't have pedals.
Then it would be more apt to compare these to electric scooters under the pilot program.
Most of these wheels would exceed the power limits set for scooters but it’s not impossible for some of them to be limited to 32 km/h after the fact, no? The only catch is that they may need a higher wattage limit as power is safety on self-balancing vehicles but top speed can be enforced with a large backward tilt the wheel can force itself.
Especially this EV should be insured. It is very risky for pedestrians, which is much more dangerous on the road, too, because of its high speed & single wheel design.
@@surenkv6461 Nope. you clearly have not been on an EUC..
@@surenkv6461 EUCs are actually much safer than similarly powered escooters. I know it sounds weird, but it's true. EUCs are controlled in a natural manner with your body and they integrate into your nervous system just like ice skating or running on a forest path would. EUCs are not meant to be driven on sidewalks, they belong on the road or bike path.
EUCs electronics are much more robust than on ebikes or escooters. Cut-outs are very rare (7000kms on my EUC and no cutouts ever) compared to escooters with which cutouts happen on every ride.
The problem is there are idiots on theses unicycles ruining it for everyone else. The unicyclists and store owners should be fighting against the idiots who ride these unsafely, speeding, weaving etc. The problem is they let them be idiots. Eventually they will be banned altogether. These people are barking up the wrong tree
There are rules? What rules? Police are issuing ticket in order to make easy money out of these tax paying unicyclist. While putting a blind eye on auto theft, robbery, crimes and illegal drugs. How convenient!
EUC are the future. what an amazing and clean way to transport!!
They're great until you try to carry your grocery bags home on one.
@@shauny2285 I have a very cheap e bike for that/with rack
@@shauny2285 I ride an electric scooter and I just wear a backpack.
@@shauny2285 pffft...I've carried far heavier items on an EUC before. Or wear a backpack
Yeah I got an inexpensive food delivery bag for larger grocery runs. I can put up to about 30lbs. of stuff and still ride just fine. If I have to get anything really big I still have to drive my car though.
Alternative modes of transportation are everywhere in Asia. Definitely takes a huge burden off road congestion for densely populated areas. That's why Canada can't move forward. They complain about congestion, but combat it by punishing users that use alternative transportation. Watching North Americans' minds at work is always so entertaining.
@@wesleyswafford2462 actually, it's the same hand there too (not the other hand). Canada opens its borders for easy entry, and then complains about the problems that arise from said decision. If you analyze and think about it, it's the same common theme - create a problem, complain about the problem, further the problem by not making any changes.
Your confusion is that you think the people who live in Canada are the same as the government, the government never does what the people want, so all they can do is complain@@HokKan
@@chronometer9931Is Canada not a democracy?
So if you ride a normal bicycle you need insurance?
Only for powered vehicles
This is not a unicycle. It has no pedals so it’s really a handle-less Segway. Bicycles and ebikes with pedals are allowed.
The entire world is behind on regulations for alternative forms of transportation. These unicycles can go fast and are inherently dangerous. That said, I would be fine with people using them if they are insured. The rider and the public need to have protections in case of accidents, and with no insurance, the only recorse would be to sue someone. Which I know how to do, but the general public does not. Since ICBC is a monolopy, they should have had insurance and regulations in place the a year or two ago when they saw unicycles coming to the market.
Hmm so it's ok for Hastings street to be the mecca of human waste & crime but these few one wheel riders are the detriment to the city..they seem like responsible drivers/riders ,more so than alot of bicycle riders..c'mon Vancouver give your head a shake..theres alot more important things to focus on..Do Better !!
They cant ticket and make money from the homeless
Can't do anything about drug addicts remember, they are victims of society. No fines or jail for being grossly intoxicated by drugs. Just sandwiches, hugs and more drugs.
I used to ride one of these. Was cruising on my way to school going 18mph. It went limp on me and I had to hop off. I tried to run into the momentum but it was too much and I fell forward and broke my shoulder. Glad to see these guys wearing a helmet and gear. I wasn't wearing anything. I could have been killed or disabled. Never again.
Was this an EUC or a OneWheel? Which EUC was it?
@@brushlessmotoring Solowheel Glide 3 (formerly the InMotion V8)
@@ThatOneScienceGuy that sucks - I’m sorry that happened, I have an older V8F and it’s never cut out, but I have overpowered it on hills. I bent the axle on it, they are strong now though. I also have the V10F and V12 HS with several thousand km on them, I do gear up, but I’ve not had problems yet. Take care man. Hope you fully recover.
That thing's ancient though, and I highly doubt a solowheel of an early gen could go 18 safely. They are so much more improved.
Thankfully, the newer electric unicycles on the market are much more safe than those old ones. They have wider tires, suspension, better controllers, better mosfets, better hall sensors, better rims, better motors, better batteries, etc.
Its likely that your inmotion v8 cut out because you pushed it to its maximum speed and because the v8 only had a 1000watt motor.
I would still recommend wearing safety gear when traveling faster than 15mph just to be safe. Motorcycle gear works the best.
Requiring insurance on these wheels is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
Are there gangs of unicyclists taking over intersections and burning donuts at 1 in the morning? Probably not.
When the laws are not clear…the police will ticket. In Montreal a few years ago the police were cracking down on cyclists. I was pulled over, and was handed a 80$ fine for not having reflected pedals!? 2 points off my license as well…by the end of the year I paid around 400$ for this joke. This appears to be a similar tactic, drivers are complaining, police are ticketing. Drivers pay insurance, drivers are who police will listen to.
I was ticketed 50 pounds for not having lights on my bycicle in Cambridge UK 30 years ago. In Estonia you can be ticketed for not hav ing reflective stripe on your jacket as a pedestrian after dark
If they focused on ticketing the drivers who constantly park/ idle in bike lane, this wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue...
What does parking in a bike lane have to do with these EUCs?
@@e-curb do they not use bike lanes in BC? Where I live, these guys generally do so, I assume it was the same there. But maybe I'm wrong.
@@jimbo1637 I don't see cars in the bike lanes here. Many of them are separated so cars can't get into the bike lanes.
I think the type of person that will double park is the type of person who'll park in a bike lane. Double parking isn't common here.
@@e-curb damn, I wish that was the case where I live. It's extremely common to have drivers park in bike lanes here.
@@jimbo1637 Where's that? Could be partly the fault of city planners. Near where I live is a main east-west commuter road. 3 lanes each way. I never see bikes on it because running parallel to it from ancient times was the railroad. The tracks are gone now, replaced by the elevated transit tracks. Underneath is the generously wide bike/pedestrian lane. Long distances can be pedaled in complete safety.
in other parts of the city, they will designate a parallel running residential side street as the bike route. It results in bikes not around commuters.
This totally bites. The police need to be educated somewhat on the insurance side. this is a grey area, I ride one, an Inmotion V11, yet I have not been stopped in Ottawa. I try to follow the same rules as a e-bike or cyclist. This is a clean way to get around and always take precaution with wearing safety gear including wrist guards. I broke by arm last year which included surgical intervention. I got back on this year to ride again.I live and work in the downtown, it helps me get to places and avoid vehicle traffic. If only people would try these things and find out how much fun they are. just be safe and mind your surroundings while out for a ride.
You didn't make clear if you broke your arm riding it.
it's not a grey area, it's not allowed.
Police in BC does not need to be educated about insurance. There are no private insurers in BC for motorvehicles. There is only one - BC government corporation, ICBC. So if it does not insure e-unicycles, that's it for now.
Here in Czechia I get tickets, but only like twice a year, when I ride like 150km per day. The police say we are pedestrians on the road. But nowhere in the definition of pedestrian can you find self-balancing vehicles. The law specifically allows it's use on pedestrian infrastructure and on roads the same way a pedestrian would use them where there is no sidewalk. Still, we have to pay insurance.
Goobers: Write insane ticket first, ask questions later.
reap thousands of dollars for the city's general fund...
Ive been riding for 8 years cops here in the USA stop to take pictures cuz they think its kool
No place like the USA!!😀
Cops dig electric toys. It’s a win-win thing.
And you can probably have a side arm strapped on while you do it lol.
Lol. I had the same experience. I had one police officer follow me once, and i stopped and asked if he needed anything from me. He said "no, i was just looking at your toy".
So i let him follow me for a little while more and I minded my speed. It wasnt a problem at all.
i have the v13 and was flying at 54 and a cop was amazed, completely everything about legality thrown out the window
PEVs are the best way to fight climate change:
Make 50 commuter vehicles for the same resources as one electric car.
Reduce road congestion allowing all commuters to get to work using less fuel or energy.
Reduce road damage by having one person only putting 130kg of weight on the tarmac instead of 1,500 Kg...
If you can't insure it, then why is this going on your Driver's Licence Record?!!!
Because ANY driving of an off road vehicle driven on public roads goes against your drivers license. That is why the fines are specified as operating an uninsured vehicle on a public road
@@DeTransAllianceCanada Realy dumb because if you don't have a licence nothing goes on record..
Because the silly fool gave the cop his driver's licence! Really dumb.
Everyone who is in BC has a drivers license of sorts, since the services card is on the same system.
Those tickets should get thrown out, that's ridiculous. How can you ticket someone for a law that isn't there
Riding a unicycle on sidewalk is pretty tricky at extremely low speeds. It requires much more balance and control. So sidewalk use is not ideal and not safe around slow moving pedestrians.
And yet. the electric ones are self-balancing unlike the pedal juggling-clown ones that are legal.
Pretty sad when the WEF is telling us we all have to get to ZERO Carbon CREDITS, so we all buy a zero carbon transportation method and then the hypocritical jokers start giving out tickets. 🤡's
Get insurance if you want to use the infrastructure scabs
@@kylesalmond5719. you can’t get insurance for them.
Isn't it the same as a two wheeled ebike or bicycle?
Bicyclists don't insure, either. What a useless police interaction.
Thats completely outrageous
Is it really? Look at the laws around E machines 😂 You may not use a privately owned device ! Only lime and other Legal companies can … Also we have brake levers that won us the battle in court … YOU GUYS HAVE NO BRAKES 😂 I CANT 😂
not in Vancouver, it's legal to ride e-bikes@@zometthecomet
Ridiculous. We should be encouraging less cars on the road.
of couse. You`ll own nothing be happy. Stop this greenwashing bollocks.
I tried a bunch of places including my own provider to get scooter insurance. Just isn't available yet. I would totally support insurance. It protects both parties.
Illegal to use in the UK. Mechanically propelled vehicle. Must be registered, taxed and insured. Since they can’t be registered or insured they shouldn’t be on the road. I’d love to use one but not going to illegally.
It's only the cheapest and most environmentally friendly firm of transportation. Yet, we continue to insure those fume-belching killing machines on all our roads. Goes to show it has never been about safety, but about lining politicians' pockets.
😂 false information 😂 A Segway ninebot is like 900$ and waterproof while also being insured and yes! It may still be against the law the ride privately owned scooter still! It’s more acceptable to people being it has brakes … WoW people care about having brakes on your vehicle 😅who would have thought
@@zometthecomet you've clearly never ridden an EUC...well, neither have I actually, but they do have brakes or some form of stopping mechanism. I've seen these guys stop on a dime.
How do you actually figure something which takes electricity to function as more environmentally-friendly than anything human-powered? Or cheaper, for that matter.
@@nopenoperson9118 bro your in the wrong place … 😭
@@zometthecomet The only metric your claim holds any water for is human energy expenditure. No batteries or electronics so no emissions from any power generation and no pollution from mining rare earth metals.
Absolutely nonsensical tickets. Getting cars off the road should be Vancouvers priority. Not targeting micromobility.
It just comes down to the fact that human beings hate change. When cars first appeared there was pushback as well. Nothing is more horrific or terrifying to the human than the feeling that the world is changing from what it was when they were growing up. I see the fines as nothing more than a last ditch effort to preserve the world as it was. Could you imagine what the pushback would be if these things could hover off the ground 😂
Stop this greenwashing bollocks.
The question is, is it illegal. Have people been adequately notified that it is illegal. Otherwise they should be allowed to fine people.
Here's a counter argument just for the hell of it. Lets say you allow people to ride these one wheel wonders on the road without insurance then one of these strikes your car and it is their fault and your insurance has to pay for it and your insurance goes up because of it, are you going to think it is ok? I'm sorry but as far as i'm concerned if it isn't able to be insured for at least liability then it shouldn't be allowed on the motorway with others that are paying for insurance to be able to legally drive on the motorway. If at some point they can be insured then by all means let people ride them there but until then the laws that vehicles on the roadway must be insured should be upheld for everyone and that includes the people who buy these.
If it's no faster than a bicycle it should be treated like one and you shouldn't need insurance. In the UK they set a power limit and speed limit.
these things can go 60 mph
@@jerome1lmthe fastest one on the market maybe can go that fast. Most of them go less than that. Mine (the ks-s22) only goes 43mph max speed, and I'm only able to reach that speed on smooth roads. Most of the time I'm going 38mph or less.
WHY NOT?! We just got e scooters legal in Montreal as of today on bike lane and streets. Before this no cops would stop me for using my electric scooter on the street or bike lane. It clearly needs to be legalized because we have PEV shops selling these "devices" and it's a great way to explore the city or just have a fun ride and many of us ride safely. Btw i ride a Vsett 11+ :)
You're not allowed to have fun and be happy though, you're meant to be miserable, hard working, and easily manipulated, so the corrupt elite can enjoy the fruits of our labor.
I ride an Apollo City 2022. It's temporarily legal as part of a pilot program here, and it's saved me a ton of money on gas. Saves me time when I let my car running in stop-go traffic with my AC maxed out.
Scooter have BRAKES 😂 GUYS HOLY!!! Brakes = the difference 😅
@@zometthecomet At least try to communicate.
@@zometthecomet And Euc do not? You must be trolling. At that point he should get a ticket for not having brakes and being a danger to himself and everyone else.
$600 is an outrageous fine.
Why don’t the cops give tickets to all the drivers who turn right on red at intersections where it is clearly prohibited
How are these different from e-scooters (but they are allowed)?? Ticketing on technicality is stupid & money grabber...
e scooters have 250 watts, this has 2500. i understand having enough power to balance the rider is necessary in an euc, but this is something the police can't just glance over. laws need to change to add an exception, or the euc-s have to be neutered in software so they only go slow even despite the power they have
The issue is that it's a new alternative to buy cars, motors and gas.... So these companies are fighting for their money and would do anything to get electric alternatives banned
BS.
Where drivers of expensive cars can BLOCK a fire hydrant or bus stop from disabled access and receive NO VIOLATION to pay. The farther down the income vs transportation affordability, the GREATER the FINES imposed. It is all backwards - scaled to cost people walking, biking or using scooters with more fines, while drivers create greater hazards, injuries or death in heavier vehicles, will only get minor tickets under $150 if at all. The entire system needs an overhaul to make fines and enforcement honest to those with greater value transport, pay MORE and more often. It is drivers that DO NOT follow rules.
I think those things are as cool as can be and thought about getting one myself but I saw a dude weaving through traffic the other day and thought to myself that it's only a matter of time before they crack down on those things.
Then get one and demonstrate to the public that we are a respectable bunch :)
@gabinator1177 I don't have a spare $600 sitting around.
@@TheRaferaf Me neither, and because the tickets don’t get held up in court, I didn’t have to pay mine.
Also since December, the 3 cops (that’s right, there’s only 3 of em) that give out tickets have only been giving out warnings.
These cops need to look the other way when these are ridden responsibly. Vancouver has plenty of real traffic infractions going on. Kudos to all the cops who don't enforce antiquated laws and realize that personal electric transportation plays a key role in the livability of our city.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, ‘when ridden responsibly' to many are not ridden responsibly!
Some wondered how did defunding police got started, here is a prime example.
A horse is legal in America. You don't need to register it nor do you need a license to ride it.
@@brutusmaximus5380 a horse is not an electrical powered vehicle nor commonly ridden on public streets!
One big factor in any policing they do not like to admit, the most enforcement went to criminals that are easiest to grab and the biggest cash return. Cash return in US are called civil forfeiture. That is why speeding is a popular offense to charge, Maxwell get arrested Epstein get murdered while cartels that are much worse went untouched. Tommy Roberson get arrested and they leave JK Rowling alone.
You can’t win can you? “Don’t pollute the air with car fumes but you can ride a bicycle and risk getting hit by a car”
If there’s one thing you can count on in Canada it is the suppression of alternative forms of transportation. Bicycle lanes so small they kill cyclists, tariffs on cheap EVs from China. And this. I used to feel guilty owning a gas car. Not anymore.
City councils do this and wonder why they fail to make their city sustainable 😂
To capitalists, "sustainable" just means "can profit from it long enough to dump the costs onto someone else"
@@prophetzarquon1922You live in a capitalist society. If you don't like it perhaps go try living in a communist one and see which you prefer. I'm guessing you'd come right back to a capitalist one.
EUC's are the future. With bike theft such a problem in BC these devices can be brought in the store with you when you shop or go to lunch.
Yup. This is what got me into these things - my bikes kept getting stolen.
EUC are not the future, because, requiring physical fitness, the will never be as mass adopted as cars or even bicycles
You mean I cannot drive my home made vehicle which consists of a fridge backpack, ice cube maker, ice cube grinder/snow spreader, skis and a rocket?
Riding on the sidewalk with a bike or unicycle is totally dangerous. Too many obstacles. I ride a bike and have learned riding in the road where it is posted bike are to drive us the safest way to go. I drive several feet from the sidewalk because if you don’t car drivers think they can take up your lane at top speeds barely hitting you. It’s better to take up the space so they will move into the passing lane if they want to go buy you. Often drivers beep at me out if their ignorance and egos. Electric vehicles are our newest form of transportation. Drivers need to adapt. In Amish country the cops are not ticketing the people on horses. We need to fight for our rights to ride new and old vehicles. It’s morons driving their cars over the speed limit while they text on their phones that are making the roads unsafe.
Well said. We (I’m an EUC rider) don’t want to hurt anyone, and sometimes that means putting ourselves at risk so that pedestrians can be safe.
Everyone knows who the real killers are, some won’t admit it.
Seems safer than a skateboard and slower than a bicycle or electric scooter, so it's hard to understand what the issue is.
@lgbfjb1933 what?
i dont need a wheel to damage your car.... if i damage your car by punching the window, how would you make me pay for it? simple answer is you can't. i already left before your phone connected to the cops. so your insurance company would have to pay out for every pedestrian who damages your car anyways, since no pedestrian has insurance that will cover your damages..
@lgbfjb1933 I suggest you read the post that you’re replying to, but more slowly this time.
Canada is a Karen country.
@lgbfjb1933 they have the same functionality as a skateboard, bicycle, or any other form of non-motorized transportation. electric boards, scooters, and bikes do the same speed or faster. there's no issue, other than people making an issue out of nothing
@lgbfjb1933 Yet an uninsured bicycle is legal.
Québec just legalized escooter and EUC's but only up to 25 kmh and 500w, which is absurd, but anybody can drive a huge 6000 lbs oversized Pick-up truck at over 100km/h and nobody cares ...
It's the car centrist society, they can't picture anyone else commuting in something besides 2 tons of steel.
I didn't read anything about e uc being legal in Quebec but if it's street legal then i say we get some Poutine to celebrate. XD
500W EUC would be extra dangerous because it doesn't have the power to go up a hill at its normal operating speed. You'd faceplant immediately if you tried.
@notexpatjoe but they are still driven by humans and human makes errors, its a lot less probable to have fatalities riding EUC than huge pickup truck full of blind spots
@notexpatjoe you are right, you are the one who "kills" with a Jeep, you probably wouldn't even feel rolling over somebody ,so yes you are indeed safer, but now more and more people buys "safer" huge pickup trucks who would kill the the driver of a regular car in an accident, so what's next ? Everybody's gonna buy highway cargo trucks ?
His argument about insurance not being available is a pretty BS argument.
The better argument would be to compare these devices to class 2 ebikes.
Of all the problems I see every day on the roads, from distracted driving to road rage, unicycles are the least of my concerns. Cops should be focussing on real issues and not wasting public resources dealing with a few responsible riders.
Old people in power moment.
Old people?
What, are you 12? 😂
@@J.D.Vision Bruh, politics is dominated by senile people who can barely operate a smart phone and remote controller for a TV.
If they at least tried to understand the modern world in stead of being stuck in their past. But no, OUT WITH THE OLD
absolutely correct
I'm 65 but I identified this problem years ago. It also seems to be a peculiarly people of English descent problem too.
"There should be a law against it" they chant
Maybe it's because they can travel up to 100 km/h. Who's paying for the damage if they cause a motor vehicle accident?
the same person I presume who has a horse and trashes a car, or the 150kg person on a mountain bike hitting a car, speed is only a part of the equation, control and observation are vitally more important
@@sygad1 exactly. I had a friend when I was 12 who ripped down a hill on his bike at probably 50kph into a car. Luckily he flew over the top into someone's yard and was miraculously fine. But that dude's car probably took $1k+ in damage (not that I remember the exact amount, his parents paid it). But considering I got a small hole in my car's bumper and that cost 3k, I'm guessing it was pretty pricey. That's part of the reason I ride a scooter everywhere rather than taking my car. I can run over a screw in the road and there goes 300 bucks for a new tire. Not to mention having to pay for parking and everything else.
They should start their own insurance company and sell policies for electric unicycles.
Typical of government, say in one breath we need to use "green" transportation, then ticket us when we use it!