I use this WAY MORE than my vintage electric pianos...
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Here's that @NahreSol video I remembered, there's tons more that feature the reface : • Solo Jam on an Airplane
Really have enjoyed this, wish they weren't so sparse on the used market but I can understand why. Surprisingly unique feature / price combination for sounds that feel completely indispensable in recorded music. Making more of these, or even a module version would be printing money for Yamaha.
0:00 Intro
2:06 Rhodes MK1
5:08 Rhodes MK2
7:26 Wurlitzer
10:28 Clavinet
11:31 Toy Piano
11:53 CP70/80
12:51 Hidden Grand Piano
14:16 Tremolo
17:24 Chorus
19:09 Phaser
21:10 Wah
22:28 Delay
27:10 WTF is SCM (I can't find a straight answer, I think its samples)
28:20 Closing Ramble begins 
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For availability, the scoop I got from Sweetwater, and possibly this is the case for other vendors, is that they can still get them but they go out so fast that they are essentially pre-order only. I clicked the Notfy Me When In Stock button and my Sweetwater rep emailed that I could reserve one. They won't charge me until it's in stock and I could cancel at anytime. This was at the start of May and they are supposed to show up sometime in late June. So possibly other places are in the same boat.
I just got the reface CS from sweetwater. Same type of situation. Was originally looking at the CP but I am first a bass player and guitar player so having the CS for synth bass was appealing…. Plus to my ears you can get some pretty cool electric piano and organ sounds from the CS as well.
@@dano4071 Solid intel. As an update, they pushed back the date on me so I'm still waiting on my CP. I really was excited about the tones available on the CP, but maybe the CS is good enough.
@@tigerkeyroll it’s more or less a toy/experiment for me. I wanted the Reface electric piano and organ models….once I figured out I could use the CS as a synth bass and still get the other sounds I was looking for it made sense for me to get that model. I’m just trying to pick up the keys, I’m sure the other two models get much more authentic sounds for those applications. I just didn’t want to have to buy more than one reface lol.
@@tigerkeyroll Appreciate the update. I've been after one, so this really helps. Thanks!
@@tigerkeyroll i ordered one from sweetwater and they told me sometime in september for it to ship
If yamaha made the reface series into rack modules i would buy all of them.
absolutely agree
I actually enjoy them as is... Kinda forces you to approach them differently😊👍🏻🎹
Would they fit into a single rack drawer? They're not very tall.
Oh hai rich evans
@@maneek nope thought of doin that..they’re 20” long
"bespoke dongle"
That's my solo project
the dongle of Digital Foundry
Lol omg I just came to the comments section to mention my new jam band idea, “Bespoke Dongle.” 😜
You are!
The bespoke dongle is garbage. Trying to get midi routed through that thing was a pain. The usb works like a charm though.
The hard pan of the Rhodes tremolo has always been uncomfortable to listen to on headphones and they emulated that part PERFECTLY
At full depth it can be pretty jarring oh yeah
lol
Totally! Hard pan on two speakers side by side in a room is less... hard
I swore, I'd never buy a tiny keyboard, I then swore I'd only use it as a sound box for my bigger keyboard. It's now always sat on my desk and I use it as a standalone unit. That keyboard is actually the bomb.
If you left me with only one bit of equipment, it'd have to be the CP.
I dig the explanation that the "hidden" piano sound is the default sound for their sound card before they load the other instruments, props to the designers for leaving it in as a fail-safe for if the selector knob breaks!
I wish they'd make the toy piano the hidden sound and the actual piano out front.
Got one, too.
It’s great.
Don’t quite understand why they didn’t make the acoustic piano a standard preset and the toy piano the easter egg 🤷♂️
Many say that and I agree, if it was that way round I would have bought one three week's ago; a shame really.
@@chrisnaran8293 My general feeling is they were likely planning on some kind of reboot of a full-size CP down the road, and these were kind of testing the waters to see the response. Few years later, they came out with a full size CP and YC. I still like them as portable devices.
I believe there was a Yamaha support page that mentioned this sound's existance and from what I recall, this piano sample set is their common standard piano test sound which they use on many of their keyboards and I also think they didn't mention why it's still there. Maybe they just didn't feel like removing it after the development and kept it in there.
Unfortunately I can no longer find the page :/
Totally agree
@@theIpatix This is the most likely scenario, I believe. Grand piano is probably the synth engine's default sample set that they probably didn't intend to be an actual option, but by leaving the wheel between settings, the microcontroller never receives any signals for which sample set to switch to, so it just doesn't. I imagine the designers just never tested for it, since it's a weird scenario. One of those things that's more "bug" than "feature" -- not that I'm going to complain.
I love the sound of the reface CP - it's a damn professional instrument for the price, especially considering how many features it actually has. But when he played the Mk II, I was instantly reminded why all the fuss over these old keyboards is completely justified. What a brilliant instrument the Rhodes is, anything you play on it sounds like actual heaven - even with background noise.
exactly, its close but nowhere close to sound the same
The comparison should be done once the EP has been put through a mic.
I flew commercial one time, and not only played my ReFace organ, but also had Pro Tools running on my laptop. Sequencing at 38,000 feet!
braved the mod on mine. was simple to disconnect a single doodad to get the piano as standard on the toy piano setting. i run mine through a cheap multieffects with some gnarly retro compressor on it and it sounds so good! really helps to get that organic, velvety tone and iron out some of my club-fisted playing dynamics. i only ever use the original rhodes and the piano. ive had people say its too expensive for a toy... but it's crazy nice for someone who could never afford the real thing.
Any resource for that mod? I havent really looked into it, but I imagine its disconnecting a single point of that mode switch?
I need to do this
Any chance you can disconnect the clavinet instead because i wouldn't use that but use toy piano
I actually love the noise of your mkII. There's something super nostalgic about it.
It is a cool sound
In my earliest band days I had the brown Wurlitzer and loved it. Don't remember now what happened to it, probably traded it in on other equipment. Later I began to play left hand bass on a Pro 1 synth and used the Wurlitzer like the one you have for the piano and had a DX7 sitting on top. I always preferred the Wurlitzer because it had more "bite" for lack of a better way to describe it. I no longer tour at 77 but I have my studio and still record and make vids for my youtube channel. Since I record into a computer using a DAW, I use a lot of pluggins now. It's amazing what they have done with software these days. Some of the emulations of the old synths are quite good these days. U-he does some unbelievable stuff, and no, I don't work for them lol! Enjoyed your vid by the way. Took me down memory lane just a bit.
My first rock band in highschool (Legacy) featured TWO keyboard players! One was an excellent percussionist and I played flute so we had alot of flexibility. Anyhoo,
one of the keyboards was a Wurlitzer reed organ with a Leslie. It sounded really good but he broke into the electrics of the organ and installed a Big Muff fuzz box that he kept on top in the sheet music holder. It growled like a hell hound. Fuzzed reed organ badness.
@@Chris-is6xb Hi Chris, yep, those leslie's were killer to run about any organ thru. When I had the brown wurlitzer, I had a vox continental organ thru a leslie. Mine, and I'm guessing yours since it wasn't a hammond, had a break out box I guess you'd call it that plugged into the leslie and then you plugged whatever instrument or organ into the box. It had a foot switch that controlled the rotating horn and bottom part. And it was indeed cool. Never thought about adding a fuzz, but that would have been cool I'm sure. But this was back in the sixties and we did not have as many choices for effect pedals then as we do now. What a great ride music has been for me. Sometimes up, sometimes down, but never out of the game. I've been truly blessed because music has always been the love of my life. And todays music world? Fantasy land with all the "tools" we have to work with now. I go back to when the first studio I worked in had two Ampex two tracks. Very good machines, but quite limited. And now today in my studio I have a computer based system, 48 dedicated tracks go out by a light wire interface to my fully automated DM-2000 Yamaha board, a beast. And if you ever need more than 48 tracks you can sub mix in the software and send sub mixes out to the board. And editing is a breeze compared to the splicing blocks we used on the tape machines. And we won't even get into the myriad of pluggins available now lol! What a wonderful time to be in music. I just wish I had more years left. The younger Gen has no idea what they have lol! But I love watching what they do with it, and some of them are amazing. And then of course there's youtube "university" where you can learn about anything, but I'll stop here. That's another deep well!
Good to hear that cheers.
Sounds like a really cool stage setup!
dude your video editing is epic
I had a 1976 Rhodes. I wanted the CS Pro 1, but couldn't afford it. I used a Yamaha CS5 for left hand bass and loved it. The Rhodes got too cumbersome to haul, so I went with a DX7, then added a TX7 module. Sold the DX/TX because i got a great deal on a DX5.
I have the Yamaha Reface Dx. Its truly amazing how Yamaha is able to encapsulate a classic in such a small package. I love mine. It obviously is missing many features do to its size and simplicity but it really gets to the soul & point of what a DX7 is.
Same. Now I want a CP and a CS!
I absolutely love the sounds you're getting out of this keyboard!
I've found with mine that using the phaser with the depth all the way down creates quite a nice filter that cuts out a lot of the excessive low mids, it makes the Rd1 sound way more bell-like, and gives the Wurly a bit more bite.
ill have to try that!
@@JorbLovesGear If you ever come across a Wurlitzer 1953-1963 4410, 4420, or 4430 electrostatic continuous free reed organ grab it. These were built in the esteemed North Tonawanda, NY Niagara Falls Wurlitzer Factory. ( see the 1950 Wurlitzer factory tour... they even made their own nuts and bolts!) A great read for these organs is this incredible pictorial, animated article from the *North Suburban Hammond Organ Society* ( ggl NSHOS Wurli 4600). The 4600 is the 25 pedal 2 x 61 keys, full console model, but the 4410 spinet is identical internally. (I own a Wurlitzer 4410 and made a 10min adlib demo on my channel) .They never need tuned, and their electromechanical design makes for an incredibly thick, rich tone, but at the same time the flutes are very sweet.
The reeds are all in motion continuously in isolated soundproof cast metal boxes. The reeds are not used acoustically, but for their harmonic content, then filtered into voices. The continuous playing of all the reeds was Wurlitzer's answer to Hammond tone wheel generators instant attack for popular music, as all tone wheels were always spinning. Hammond one upped Wurlitzer just two years later in 1955 with the introduction of Key Percussion, which immediately brought organ into the jazz world. Wurlitzer did have something Hammond TW organs could do. Sustain.
Wurlitzer invented Sustain. Others followed. The principle of the circuit is each key on the keyboard has a capacitor/ resistor bleed off to ground. So every note played has it's own independent sustain. Wurlitzer ES reed organs also have String and Reed voices besides flute. Also Sustain-I for Flutes, and Sustain-II for Strings/reeds. This independent susa really makes independent voices mesh beautifully. ie. A tight string reed rhythm in the lower manual while playing a flute with sustain in the upper.
The only issue I've ever seen with these ES (ES abbrev. not official just easier...) Wurli's is the four hard rubber, quarter size blower motor (actually it pulls vacuum...inside reed cabinet, stays like new in there!) mounts on some break. Just use Gorilla Glue and suspend motor back level with blower shaft. Something very cool is the tool-less amp/filter chassis removal. Just flip a lever. Oh' and the 4430 model has a built-in Wurlitzer SpectoTone (similar to a Leslie rotosonic drum speaker. The two 4" speakers have a crossover on them. Amazing sound.
A clavinet is an electric clavichord. The clavichord is pretty much the oldest stringed keyboard instrument we know, dating back to the 1400s. They were also Johann S. Bach's favorite instrument.
I’ve heard Bach was a wurli man. I prefer tines, myself
Nah, Bach felt da funk!
Triple Bach loved the hopsichord
Well of course Bach loved the Hopsichord, and hops, he was German, right? Nobody likes a Beer more than a German! 🍺
Wurlitzer with chorus is absolutely Supertramp!
Since 1979's Breakfast in America album, their white Wurlitzer was always paired with a Boss CE1. And it's a sound almost only associated to them.
The other classic wurlitzer sound for me is 'you're my best friend' by Queen. Just that octave bass bit. I never knew at the time what that instrument was, but when I heard a wurly I knew instantly that was it.
That’s how I run my Wurlitzer. Only because of them.
@@adamziolkowski2549 Classic sound. Hard to beat.
Sold!!!!!
What does reface mean?
Easily the most useful demo of this instrument I have seen.
🙏🙏🙏Happy to do it
I use mine constantly. It's all over my new record. It's convenient. Sounds great and has high quality effects built right in. Perfect studio tool and doesn't sacrifice a ton of space for quality sounds.
None of the REFACE models are discontinued. Like so many other things, the chip shortage has put production on hold.
Ahhh makes sense
Love the Reface CP as well. I dig how weird it can actually get with the effects and have gotten a lot of Radiohead-esque sounds out of it. I looked for a full size EP from Yamaha with these sounds and none of them are quite like the CP. It's a keeper.
This in even like 49 key full size case with some more control over eq or the effects would sell really really well
Beautiful Radiohead sounds indeed
BIG LOVE! Reface CP and its built in effects! I often dial in the sounds with the drive knob.
I read somewhere, that the hidden piano is meant for service purposes ore something.
The Yamaha is great no doubt, but man those vintage ones have that little extra character. Even liked the extra noise. Cool vid!
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$450 vs what $10,000+ for all 3 originals. The difference is not great enough to justify that. Especially in a mix where most couldn't tell and nearly all wouldn't care.😂
I really adore my CP and this was a fun and thorough tour. You really blew my mind with the hidden piano sound. That's such a fluke thing and it's great. Also really appreciate the way that you refer back to the way the original instruments function. Also I've been toying with getting a midi controller to have a larger keyboard for my small synths and this cemented that choice for me- especially seeing how you can get a smoother curve with the controller (I find I really have to slam down on the CP's keys to get a forte). Thanks for a great video, really appreciate it.
I can absolutely see why you use the reface more but my god your MkII sounds absolutely magical
I love my Reface CP dearly but my jaw dropped when I heard the genuine MKII. Irrespective of the noise, it sounds unbelievably good.
@@medardfischer Agree, the sound of the real thing is captivatingly beautiful.
Yep. I was like "That CP is sounding good" ....then he plays the Rhodes and I am like "Well then....gulp"
Putting them back to back feels so rude. lol
@@JorbLovesGear damn, the rhodes sounded so good. i liked the noise, too. sounds alive. i use an SV-1, but it makes me want to ditch it and buy the headache gear.
I use this as a module as well, and I love the onboard effects. The Yamaha Reface CP is an amazing device that is user-friendly.
I've always loved the sound the early Reggae organists would achieve with clavinet and it's variations, they made cool use of this
i loved listening through this so much, loved your style of playing with it
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Thanks for making this video! I have been loving mine for a long while - and now I can point folks at this to share how great it is.
ahh cheers, thats exactly what I want, spread the word
This is nuts - great sounding piece. I nearly spit out my coffee when you showed the piano easter egg. It's a great marketingredient ploy - everyone wants to be in on a "secret mode". 😉
Truue, like we're all in on it
Great sounds, every now and then I find myself wanting a Reface CP it sounds great. Nice to have the comparisons to the originals too. Cheers!
Ohh great to see you here, much appreciated. 🙏🙏🙏
I really enjoy your playing, especially with these sounds. Makes me want to rush out and buy a Reface CP in the hopes that it will teach my fingers to work the way yours do.
Wow, when you turned the chorus on, my eyes closed and I got really calm😌 this thing sounds great!
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Haha this has been my only electric piano since it came out, I love it so much :3 I live on the Rhodes I & II and the built in FX are just so outstanding. It's like they're specifically voiced to sound good with THIS keyboard. I love playing with different controllers too, like grated hammer action will get me playing completely different things on it than synth action. So inspiring!
I sit around for a year with the YAMAHA CP thinking NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH A VIDEO ABOUT IT.......I've been proven completely wrong. lol
That said, you own the real hardware, you were meant to make this video, it was literally fate my friend! :)
😂🙏🙏 Yeah I'm shocked by the performance on this one, you should've beaten me to it.
Yamaha makes good stuff, Never doubt them
haha love the hainbach call out. love that guy. also loved this vid. so many demo vids don't go into the kind of detail you did. props.
Just ordered one. I hope it arrives some day.
Great video, Jorb! I've watched Ginger Root play locally on an old tine piano (can't remember if Rhodes or Wurli or one of the other brands out there), but couldn't help notice they were using these on tour. Noir also picked one up late last year, and we were vibing on it pretty hard. If someone has a daw in their setup and would prefer physical modeling to sample based playing, I really enjoy the sound and user experience of Pianoteq. It's also exceedingly processor-light, which I'm sure vintage computer enjoyers will appreciate.
Ooo I love ginger root, my guess would be wurlitzer! I just noticed a like, feeding back delay twisted time sound in one of their live recordings, I wonder if it was the CP, seems fitting.
Good on the Daw recs, thats a blindspot for me
YES and to the point. And thank you. I also ❤ my Reface CP. I have great Wurlitzer too. But - I just really really hope that Yamaha could make a version with an xtra octave. That would make it extremely versatile: small jam-sessions with other musicians, songwriting sessions in the sofa, working on stuff when traveling - in the park, at the beach. Those 3 octaves are just not really enough - please Yamaha: Make a "Reface +" !
you can use any keyboard you want... and this toy treat as sound module
I need this
@@kazymarty111 but who wants to bring a whole extra piece of gear?
I have the reface YC and I always hook it up to another keyboard. I wish they’d done the reface as pure modules without the tiny keyboard.
They made it. It's called CK61. It looks big, but it weighs like 10lbs. It has the Reface CP and YC sounds (but not the extra ones from the newer big expensive YC and CP keyboards), and good acoustic pianos, and some extra sounds that are so-so, just there in case you're desperate. There are more physical controls, too... but not as many knobs for fx (but the fx are all there, and more). I didn't like the 61 key keyboard that much - the CK88 has Yamaha's portable Graded Hammer Standard action keys, and I like those better than the PSR-style sprung synth keys on the CK61. But the CK88 model weighs over 20lbs. They both have down facing speakers, which are not as powerful as the P-125 speakers, for example.
Per your closing ramble: It's a stellar value! It's also a masterpiece of design homage.
Love all the reface series. Gotta collect ‘em all!
I haven't tried the others in any legitimate fashion, but would love to! Dx Especially
Oh also the digital delay 'swoosh' you're talking about is a small amount of lp filtering on the delay time which slows the rate of change. Without some form of smoothing you'd get that terrible 'zipper' sound and clicks whenever you changed it but they've set the cutoff (relatively) high so it's very obvious. The analog delay will also have some filtering on the time but there's a lot more complicated stuff happening to emulate the pitch behaviour of an analog delay so it's not as evident.
You probs already know this but it's something I didn't know until I started trying to make a tape delay in max msp & I feel like others might find it interesting too
To be honest, it sounds a lot like a tape flange effect when he sweeps the delay along like that.
Very interesting, I wonder how a filter can affect the change of delay time. Safe to say there are a lot of tricks you can do with filters to get a great sound!
The Reface series is honestly incredible. Forget what everyone says, I love my CS and DX and I’ll never let them go
Great video! Nice to go in depth on the effects, really helped me understand them even better
🙏🙏Happy to !
love it! I bought one over a year ago now and it still sounds awesome for playing some 70s music like Beegees etc etc
Great video. The whole Reface series are so tempting, but it seemed like most of the attention was on the DX and CS. Good to hear how great the Reface CP sounds.
The YC is great too. I love messing with the drawbars while I play.
Ahh thanks Josh. These are great, a little vinyl sim into your 404 and you're in business.
Actually, theres surprisingly good epiano sounds on the SC88, if you dont mind velocity just being on volume. Run that mf'er through the 404 and you're in lo-fi heaven
I love the reface series so much
I love this CP. And man, you missed what i consider to be the greatest knob: the drive. It give the sound an all different set of dimensions.
hey! we met briefly at the beginning of the parcels concert and "exchanged" subscriptions (Lea Kalisch channel). been really enjoying the videos, pulling me back into synth and electronic music stuff I did like ten years ago. great vibe in the videos, and this one is giving me lots of GAS
Ahh cheers, great show.
Thanks for popping in, this keyboard is a real winner
I'm in love with you piano style. Wish I could play like that!
Appreciate that, I cant play many other ways! lol
Thanks Jorb for all the information you've provided for me.I appreciate you bro.
🙏🙏 Happy to share it, cheers
This was a great video all around 👏
Great job, Jorb! Love my CP too! However you did forget one super important feature: the optional keytar strap attachment!!
oh my god how could i forget. ripping the CP70 as I roll around stage. lol
I bought the Reface CP exactly for the vintage electric piano sounds. It is an excellent bargain. The hidden easter egg grand piano is also awesome, just wish it didn't require restarting the keyboard.
One of the best aspects IMHO is the hands on effect controls. I love dialing in distortion, wah, phaser, etc...
Great demo...
I wish they had switched the toy piano with grand piano.
@@ferox965 I just wish the Grand was a 7th setting. I’m unlikely to want to do anything other than add a little reverb to the grand where as the toy is great for additional effects.
Dude, great video thanks!
This has been at the top of my gear list since I first found out about it. I feel like while there are some good digital options for pianos nothing sounds quite as good or as full as something real. Nice to see someone doing a quality in depth video on it 🤘
Cheers, happy to share it
@Of Age Non Related Carp Nonetheless the sounds on it to me sound way better than any plugin version I’ve heard of the same emulations. You are telling me you really can’t hear a difference?
2 mins in and I subscribed.
YOU seem like a great human being
GOD bless you
🙏🙏Cheers thanks
You have Ron swansons voice and that’s why I watch
And here I thought the content was good, smh
Love the video! Wonderful breakdown of the synth and such an engaging personality my dude!
Thank you, appreciate that!
Love mine. It sounds incredible, and is a fantastic songwriting tool
I just started my approach to the keys as a drummer. Thanks for Inspiration on this video, i've a lot ep's with amazing tuning options on my casio ctx, so i'm excited now trying it out 👍All the best from Germany 😉😎
Cheers, thanks for that! Yeah, this little guy is a great place to start
I wish they would make a module out this.
just got one for christmas, loving it.
They're not discontinued. They are back on the market. I got mine a few months ago (2023).
hell yeah
@@JorbLovesGear I love it. It's the Rhodes without spending a ton of money or needing a computer.
Love my CP. This whole range is great. Didn't really get them when they came out, but then I played them and I was like, Ah ok - they're not trying to be more than they are, but what they are sound really good. Been lusting after the YC for a while...
I love my YC - tweaking the "drawbars" and switching the speed on the rotary is so much more fun than playing static organ presets.
The Reface series is amazing. Every model kinda punches above its' weight class. But the lack of standard midi ports and midi implementation is not as dynamic as what the keyboards do. For instance the Reface DX can't turn off its clock. Which makes it a bitch to chain with other hardware.
Hi Carter. I was not a fan when they first came out as they were overpriced imho. When Yamaha dropped the price to £269 here in the UK I bought the CS because I wanted a modern alternative to my CS-01, (no CV/Gate or MIDI), next came the DX (my DX100 is unwell and needs TLC), quickly followed by the CP 'cause I didn't have a Rhodes or Wurli or a CP piano sound in my collection. Not got the YC but every reface I have definitely offers plenty of bang for your buck. I don't have much space in my studio so the reface form factor is the perfect size for me and great for throwing in a bag when going somewhere. It took me a while, but I can endorse your words "the reface series IS amazing." Thanks for the warning about chaining the DX, I've not chained it yet but now I know, all thanks to you.
I just put my DX at the end of a chain, the 'sequencer' on it is more of an afterthought or sketchpad anyway, not something you want running the show. Since it hasn't got an arpeggiator I can't think what else you'd need its clock for other than delay, and you can just dial that in manually like in ye olden tymes.
Another minus of the Reface DX is that it always send Program Change. No way to turned it off. For me it was a problem while controlling some soft synth (that also doesn't have a PG receive off). Fortunately I found a software MIDI Pipe that solved that problem. And yes, the Reface DX it's great! :)
I have the YC reface because I really wanted my CP 25/35 back very badly
Thats weird about the DX. It got this new wave of FM editing right a little sooner than some others, with fixed ratio's and panel faders for operator editing.
i love this already thank you
excellent review, got it indeed! Thanks 👍
Great video! I totally agree with your assessment of the CP..I use it as a module in my studio and feel the sound quality is unbeatable at this price point. I also have the DX and it is also amazing! Btw..I drag mine out but the pool as well for making music while relaxing! Thanks for sharing!
🙏Happy to share! Yeah I'd like to incorporate the CP into more mobile jam stuff, would be a great fit
I love mine... always wanted a real Rhodes, but the reface does it for me.
I use an Alesis QS8 with 88 weighted keys as my main keys so that with a sustain pedal gets me in the right place for not much money.
That grande piano patch sounds awesome!
Huge fan of my reface CP! Picked it up during the pandemic because my Korg SV-2 was on back order for almost a year and I wanted something to hold me over. Still one of my used boards! I play in a jazz combo at my college and I keep the reface on top of my grand for a different sound here and there. The delay are some of my favorite to play with to add more texture in stranger sections.
Love mine, if they could do a bigger key version that’s otherwise exactly the same I’d buy another!
CP88?
I just want the reface exactly as it is but with bigger keys! It did have an SV1 in the past which is a similar concept.
Recently got one! I love the sounds a lot! My only complain is the velocity sensitivity, or general output volume. The CPs are really quiet compared to the rest of the reface series. I can play all of them while family is at home, watching tv or something, but not with the CP, which is a shame, since I really love it
Such a great module!
really is
Ear candy! The Fender Rhodes tone, especially when mixed with a phaser, is probably my all time favourite keyboard sound, synths included.
Absolutely same
I've always felt, and I'm sure many other Reface CP owners would agree, that Yamaha should have included the Grand Piano in the selector knob instead of the dreaded, awful, and useless toy piano sound. Thanks for sharing.
There’s a way to get a piano sound 🤔 I think you turn it off and put the knob between two settings
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Yes I know, but it would have been nice to get rid of that useless Toy Piano selection and replace it with Grand Piano instead?
@@AlainHubert yeah would have been better to put the toy piano secret ahah
Turn off your reface turn knob between 2 settings you will notice it won't let you do this while it's on as a magnet kicks in. When you turn it back on when the knob is between an E. piano and a different setting You will get a piano tone.
@@bensabourin3464yes that's literally what the comment is about... It's also mentioned in the video in the section titled grand piano...
Great video. One method I use to get more ‘feel’ from playing the lil’ CP is to play it into an amp (Fender Champ) via a couple of guitar pedals. Suddenly the ‘sample of a sample’ feeling just evaporates and it feels noice and expressive. I hope this helps.
Same. Love my reface CP.
Just bought the cp, wonderful nice warm sounds😊
Great video! I first realized how good this one is thanks to the band Crumb. I like the drive effect, too. As for the question of sampling vs. modeling (and admittedly, I’m a little out of my depth, maybe): I’d venture to guess this is mostly, or all, physical modeling. The fact that a toy piano is even included, in my mind, is likely explained because the technology is focused on (and sufficient for) metal tine, reed, and rod modeling, a family in which toy piano exists. I think the lower toy pitches are less down sampling and more just out of the range of what was intended or would be natural for a toy piano. Regardless, I find the toy piano most useful (or at least less obviously a toy piano) when playing those low octaves, as it sounds like bells-orchestral, church, whatever. I believe Yamaha responded about the grand piano sound, saying it’s only meant for testing purposes. This would also back up my thinking that it’s mostly/all modeling. Yamaha indicated (again, if I recall) that the piano wasn’t officially added, because it wasn’t up to their standards. So, the modeling technology was sufficient for tines, reeds, and Clavinet strings, but not grand piano. Also, if there was capacity for samples on this, as with a digital piano or ROMpler, I think grand piano would be on there, in place of toy piano (but, if it IS sampling, then maybe there WAS enough room for the samples necessary for a limited range toy piano, or electric pianos, but not enough space required for grand piano; again, could be a mix of samples and modeling, too). I find the built-in piano plenty good for my use, for plugging into pedals, and for practicing on the go, though!! Oh, last piece of evidence that it’s modeling: when I send refaceCP through a gnarly dirt/drive pedal, I hear subtle mechanical “grace” sounds, like hammers returning to rest position, something like that. AMAZING VIDEO, JORB!
Ooo interesting. If it is modelling, this is about as low a price point as that is happening in hardware.
What about some combination of things, a samples for the initial hit and then modeling beyond that, is that a possibility?
Does modeling stretch in lower octaves like a hear on the toy piano? I dont know why not.
@@JorbLovesGear Yeah, I agree with your line of thinking!
Reason DAW’s Radical Piano combines elements of modeling and sampling, which might’ve helped me realize that there’s modern ways of combining the two (Radical Piano adds incidental mechanical noises and also models sympathetic string resonance, etc.).
“Captain Obvious” alert: All I really know is that my refaceCP sure sounds good going through tons of effects pedals🥰-an excellent case of an instrument that’s focused and limited, and yet also powerful, versatile, inspiring, and useful as hell. For me, every sound and effect has proven useful or worth exploring, at some point.
@@JorbLovesGear Even more evidence you (we?) were correct. I was looking in the manual for info on the half-damper function, when I found Reface CP’s tone generation is: “SCM (Spectral Component Modeling) + AWM2”-some searches and skimming of (sometimes very technical) info leads me to understand that the former (SCM) is maybe more like modeling or synthesis (e.g., to help avoid obvious differences in velocity layers… ?) and the latter (AWM2) is more so PCM sample playback... I think. This link contains the best, most definitive info, even down to what processors and memory are inside Reface CP: sandsoftwaresound.net/spectral-component-modeling/
Perhaps more practical and important than all that ☝️”nerdy crap” 😉, I find that CP’s keyboard actually allows me to-somehow, somewhat-convincingly pretend to be able to play jazz solos. I think the lack of resistance and the size of the keys (much easier to reach for distant intervals, etc.) makes it easier to do glissandos, and more. I still accidentally hit adjacent keys sometimes, but occasionally that even sounds like jazz. Huzzah! 😅😊
This is the kind of instrument I wish I had growing up, it sounds SO GOOD for the price and portability is great. Did you already cover the CS? Has an amazing engine
It really is great. I haven't tried the cs! Would like to though
@@JorbLovesGear I got the reface cp first, and was blown away by it enough to look into the CS. Someone on RUclips did a cover of ROYGBIV with it and it totally sold me. Worth checking out for anyone on the fence about it, or just to enjoy and appreciate the sounds coming from such a cheap board! It still amazes me every time I hear it
The CS is my favorite synth and I own a JP-08, Poly D and Deepmind 12. Something about the simplicity and sheer amount of sweet spots
ah man, the rhodes basically made a whole genre of music, and it was amazing! great vid!
I'm very glad to have discovered your channel buddy! :)
Also, absolutely love your playing. Always loved ep sounds myself, and you really reminded me how much Id truly love playing those sounds, but actually being able to play the keyboard.. lol
Man, if they existed as something like a Volca- or Boutique-sized box I could plug a controller into I would be more into these. I think each of them is so cool! But I don't want 4 keyboards I'm not gonna use :(
I do wish these things were CONSIDERABLY larger. I've thought about getting these and then modding them into a full-size keyboard chassis.
Hear me out, may be easier to make an aluminum or wooden shell that houses this CP and an Arturia 49 or 61 controller. Post a vid if you wind up doing a case or a chassis mod!
Would only be worth it for live stuff... otherwise just use midi with a full size controller that you can us to control anything else as well.
@@eleven9286 nooo I don't like the feel of rinky dink synths. I love the look of BIG synths with BIG keyboards. 🥺
@@Alyxandr to each their own dude
@@Alyxandr I mean, it's pretty convenient to be able to play multiple synths with one keyboard. That's how I roll most of the time, anyway.
Some synths just a need a good sized keybed though. Like the Hydrasynth, for example. That's one I would definitely get the keyboard version of.
I have a 73 MK I and I love my Reface CP! Total tone zone!
That reface is dope! I also have that, the mark II, & a 200! It saved you time & frustration too. It keeps you from shelling out hundreds of dollars on maintainence and tuning. It’s the best of the digital things. I have a Montage. I understand.
The Reface CP is one of the best purchase I've gotten in a long while.
I only wish there was a way to run external sources through the echo,
wah & vibrato effects.
Aside from that, it's such a damn good keyboard to own. 💪💪💥💥
Big yes to that.
I'll likely get one of these used next year. The only things my Hydrasynth is missing are good quality Rhodes, Wurli, and acoustic piano patches. But I love the Hydra's keybed and using it to control a CP sounds very intriguing
Ultimate patches make a bunch of pretty great Rhodes and Wurli sounds!
@@swid_swid_swid Yeah I ended up getting those and they are great. I'd still like to find something inexpensive for acoustic piano sounds
I was blown away when I played the reface CP years ago. I thought I was walking up to a toy during a jam session and was pleasantly surprised pulling out better tones that I can and from my Korg SV-1. I too have a Wurlitzer 200a student, 88 key 1973 fender rhodes, and a cp70 but I have the same issue where I don’t use them a ton because of their need for constant maintenance.
I actually brought it on my holiday last year (gotta have some music instruments) and played it on the airplane as well 🤣 (after being inspired by Nahre I admit) I have it at the office now so I can jam on it at random moments :) Really love this thing for how much different (really good sounding) sounds you can make with it and how crazy you can get with the convenient rotary buttons. I can spend hours just playing with the delay effect as well 🤣
Yamaha needs to get back into the serious keyboard game again. They've always made great stuff. My DREAM would be the long awaited sequel to the mighty AN1X!!!!!
Always searching for a "Wodes" or a "Rhurlitzer" type sound .. it always sounds better in my minds ears than actual attempts to achieve this elusive combination, lol
18:35 If you want to hear chorus on a Wurly from the '70s, there are heaps of examples. Choruses weren't really available in the '60s, apart from the Mu-Tron stuff, or actually rewiring a Leslie..
Hey Jorb, been a while, great video and great to see you getting the numbers you deserve, keep it up pal.
Cheers, thanks!
You do much better than myself at the Clavinet…every time a Clavinet preset comes up on a synth I tend to be able to play appropriately 2 seconds of funk before I run out of steam 😝.
Lol, its a totally other genre of keyboard playing. Its own skill to work on
This is the one piece of gear I will never sell.
same
Love the Rhodes sound , one of my most used key sounds
Great review of the CP. thank you! it was sad to hear your Rhodes in its (then)current state though. I hope you’ve since been able to repair it.