I am a kendo player, and yes, every time I use the kihonyo (wooden naginata mainly used for practice), I want to bite the tip which looks like a marshmallow
Same people who saying how Fencing is not as realistic. If anything about Fencing, it is a sport that's from the root is mean to have fun. Isn't mean to replicating actual real life battle because it's a sport.
Naginata is the main weapon of the monk soldiers, and during the Warring States period, Japanese Buddhist temples had territories and were armed. Influential temples have vast territories and many followers, and have begun to have the same power as the landlord. Rebellion was caused in various places using believers all over Japan. Therefore, Nobunaga Oda slaughtered the temple and the monk soldiers. In addition, Naginata became a necessary skill for women who care for the landlord's wife and daughter, and became a means of self-defense.
@@foxmulder7616 Those women who act as guards are also samurais. Male Samurais do use Naginata in a battlefield but it became a main self defense symbol weapons for the female samurais
Somebody understanding the rules well please explain the staring moment after a contact when 2 competitors just hold their weapon and staring at each other.
Hi. I'll give it a shot. Naginata is a competitive martial art which focuses only on the use of the weapon called naginata. It doesn't resemble a real fight and it isn't trying to. In real combat - as seen in classic Japanese schools, when a fighter enters close quarters, he has 3 ways to solve the situation: 1. Drop the naginata and do some empty-hand form (like grabbing the opponents arm, hitting or striking) 2. Drop the naginata and reach for a secondary weapon like a knife or a short sword 3. Perform a close quarters technique using the naginata. Since the modern naginata focuses only on the usage of naginata, the only option in close quarters is to do a naginata technique. And the two players often "wait" while applying pressure on the opponent, until an opportunity to strike shows up or until they are separated by a judge. Hope it helped :-)
@@philyip4432 I assure you, there is no "real life combat" outside the army. Everything else is just about learning techniques and trying to become better fighters, within the rules of the system ;-) It's the same for any martial art I know.
@@philyip4432 I don't understand why people want Kendo and Naginata to be exactly like real combat. It would make shiai so much worse and it isn't like you are going to have a naginata or katana in a fight like it is the sengoku period.
The annoying westerners in the comments complaining it's not like their games... It's basically an alternative to fencing - of course it's not going to be awesome, because beating people up with a stick is reckless.
You cant score just by touching the blade on someone, It has to be a full strike. However you cant score by striking someone across the neck like that because its dangerous and you could cause serious injury. So some people simply ignore the blade resting there knowing that it wont score. Which is kind of annoying. There is always debate about if this should be a penalty or not.
@@AssasiCraftYogUscus i'm no expert, but it probably limits your mobility a lot. i do taekwondo and the gear we have to wear during sparring is pure PAIN
I'm trying to understand the pauses like at 0:20. They look like they're binding (is that what you call it in kendo? I only know European terms), but at 0:26 when the other fighter lowers her point, they just walk away from each other. So was :20 some kind of time-out? Were they discussing the validity of the blow, or do they leave that to the judges to figure out? In the SCA we have a lot of 'death by discussion' but idk if that's what I'm seeing here. They do the same thing at several points throughout the video (3:03, 3:37) and I keep trying to figure out what it is. Some kind of stand-off because they're too close to effectively attack -- so it's a 'quick draw' to retreat into striking range? But then at 3:59, the red fighter doesn't seem to be worried about the white fighter's point passing right in front of her neck, so maybe it's not a standoff after all... ...I'm clearly missing something XD But their skill is still quite evident.
Densoro somtimes they stay close after a strike. There is no opportunit of attack at this distance. But if ever one is not aware, it is possible to strike when moving backward. Naginata is a polearm, you can only hit from a longer distance than kendo fight. When the blade is moving close to the neck, it was not a threat. Naginata is not like european fencing. Touching is not hurting. In order to strike a valid blow, you need to cut with help of your whole body motion. You also need to strike on valid part : most important are over the head, the throat, wrist, legs, with the valid part of the naginata : curving part of the blade (5cm long) or the white forward end (on the throat) or the naginata back end ( 20 to 25 cm from back end and only on legs)
Hi, First, please remember that this is not a real naginata fight. In reality there are no rules, no scores, no honor and no right or wrong. Either you do what is needed to win or you die. Now, naginata is a long range fencing weapon by it's definition. Of course there are various techniques for using it in close combat but one would prefer to engage from a safe distance. So in reality what did samurai do when reaching to such close distance? Probably use a close-quarters naginata technique or draw a sword or a knife (kenjutsu\tantojutsu). Or use hand-to-hand techniques (jujutsu). Back to modern naginata, as we practice solely NAGINATA techniques we are limited to either use close-quarters naginata techniques or to retreat to the original distance. Doing anything else would be not be related to what we do and will also put our opponent in danger of injury.
So what exactly is happening at 0:24 (or many other times in the video where they get really close to each other)? If I didn't know any better, I would think they were trading insults.
Watching this, it seems as though you're supposed to do something to defend against an offensive attack; for example, if someone comes at you with that, hit it with your own long stick!
Should have had this in the Olympics, would've been better than break dancing. Although, they might not have been able to build teams from every country. To do the event.
I don't know about this weapon. Could someone please explain me, while being at an extreme close range, why can't we just use one hand to grab (or obstruct) the opponent's weapon and use the other hand to hold our weapon in shorter grip and stab at the gap between armor like at armpit, neck or thigh?
I'm not familiar with this particular sport but to my knowledge most fencing and kendo/hema-like systems and sports don't incorporate the kind of grappling you'd see in actual combat. Other issue is this is just wooden, an actual Naginata is gonna have a metal blade at the top so given the weight distribution, it might be impractical to wield it one handed.
There are more techniques in naginata. But those fighters are both highskilled so they use the most effective techniques. Also they have a defense that makes the opponent using the same attack. If you can see a fight against lower rank fighters there will be a lots of different techniques because the defense is not as good as those in the video. :)
Whenever I see fencing or kendo or any other weapon-based fighting style turned sport, I can't help but think "I'm learning nothing about how people actually fought with these weapons, am I?" It's always a hot second of action, followed by a significant amount of milling about, presumably so the judges can do their business. Look, I'm not saying we need to bring back gladitorial-style blood sports, but actually that's exactly what I'm saying.
Yes. Just like point fighting karate or taekwondo doesn't work in MMA. I'm betting real samurai battles is more like fencing in a sense that there will be more movement, faking attacks and dodging involved than blocking or parrying.
Would love to see this art practiced with a bit more realism a jitsu rather than a do. It's too much like fencing with its restrictive rule set which disallows grappling
You should do it. Most people are happy to fight with the strikes being limited to the armour since we want to practice these martial arts into old age and cant afford the risk of injury that comes with no safety restrictions. Also most people practice these for the physical and mental intensity required, For the suffering you have to endure and the discipline you develop as a result. Not because they want to re-enact fully realistic ancient fights. However, There is nothing stopping you from going for it :)
A bit late, but there are 'games' or war reenactments where they do all that. Search up "Samurai armor battle" or something like that and you'll get the idea.
Even a blunt blade can be very dangerous, which can cut through a variety of materials that are analogue to human flesh. An impact from any weighted object can transfer enough energy through armour to break bones and cause other injury.
sleepy legend has it that naginata used broken/ discarded katana, hence the curve. females of samurai class used this for home defense upper class girls still practice in this.
@@gulfrelay2249 While it's possible that in some rare occasions broken katanas were used to make naginatas, its definitely not the mainstream. The blade of the naginata differs from the katana in several ways and there is plenty of pictures from museums and also enough historical records to support that. Also - as far as I've seen - naginata is not restricted to "upper class". It's Integrated to the mainstream highschools in Japan and anyone can join a naginata club
This "sport" is as useless as fencing. It is completely UNrealistic compared to real fighting with sharp, edged weapons. Seems like you would learn more dangerous moves that would get you killed rather than learning a fighting art that could save your life.
I am a kendo player, and yes, every time I use the kihonyo (wooden naginata mainly used for practice), I want to bite the tip which looks like a marshmallow
lolllllll
based
what a truly based profile picture.
I bet you like biting tips
And this was the day the for honor meta changed forever
For Honor meta changes every update bro
People in the comments complaining and insulting the match due to not knowing how it's scored instead of taking 2 seconds to search it.
Same people who saying how Fencing is not as realistic.
If anything about Fencing, it is a sport that's from the root is mean to have fun. Isn't mean to replicating actual real life battle because it's a sport.
Naginata is the main weapon of the monk soldiers, and during the Warring States period, Japanese Buddhist temples had territories and were armed. Influential temples have vast territories and many followers, and have begun to have the same power as the landlord. Rebellion was caused in various places using believers all over Japan. Therefore, Nobunaga Oda slaughtered the temple and the monk soldiers. In addition, Naginata became a necessary skill for women who care for the landlord's wife and daughter, and became a means of self-defense.
Also because the range of this weapon make it the best choice to use in war. 🤏
Very interesting! Did not know that.
@@foxmulder7616 Those women who act as guards are also samurais. Male Samurais do use Naginata in a battlefield but it became a main self defense symbol weapons for the female samurais
bro feint the heavy and guard break smh gotta quit light spamming and get some heavies in
She better doge roll too!
And hidden stance
@@ScienceDiscoverer I really want to know what a doge roll looks like, now.
"Much roll. So far. Flippity floop. Ground is sky. Wow."
@@tenou213 it's a game reference. Supposedd to be a joke
She should have hidden stanced then kicked then guardbreak and heavy.
Watching this at x0.25 speed is both enlightening and surreal, especially with the sound still on.
Wow its amazing 😁😁😁😁
in canada they use hocky sticks
Ho Oh lol
And they say sorry when they score lol.
Also in russia
But in Russia the sorry is sarcastic.
I can confirm this to be true
I really enjoyed watching this. Thank you for posting.
who else is nobushi here
Me
Tesshin ryū Dojo yep knew there would be
I thought I was the only Nobushi here
I main Nobushi. Lol She's my favorite.
Nobushi OP ples nerf
Somebody understanding the rules well please explain the staring moment after a contact when 2 competitors just hold their weapon and staring at each other.
Hi. I'll give it a shot.
Naginata is a competitive martial art which focuses only on the use of the weapon called naginata. It doesn't resemble a real fight and it isn't trying to.
In real combat - as seen in classic Japanese schools, when a fighter enters close quarters, he has 3 ways to solve the situation: 1. Drop the naginata and do some empty-hand form (like grabbing the opponents arm, hitting or striking) 2. Drop the naginata and reach for a secondary weapon like a knife or a short sword 3. Perform a close quarters technique using the naginata.
Since the modern naginata focuses only on the usage of naginata, the only option in close quarters is to do a naginata technique. And the two players often "wait" while applying pressure on the opponent, until an opportunity to strike shows up or until they are separated by a judge.
Hope it helped :-)
@@Aureliano5174 Thank you for the explanation, but I wish the rule should be more resembling to real life combat.
@@philyip4432 I assure you, there is no "real life combat" outside the army. Everything else is just about learning techniques and trying to become better fighters, within the rules of the system ;-)
It's the same for any martial art I know.
@@philyip4432 I don't understand why people want Kendo and Naginata to be exactly like real combat. It would make shiai so much worse and it isn't like you are going to have a naginata or katana in a fight like it is the sengoku period.
@@tubbytoad thank you, finally someone with a brain
SONATA NI SHI WO
oshite mairu
其方に死を
(I think I said that right)
Apresentações belíssimas. Apuradas técnicas de Naginata.
*Violent fighting breaks out, mid-marshmallow roasting competition* - Colourised, circa 1897.
😂😂
😂
The annoying westerners in the comments complaining it's not like their games... It's basically an alternative to fencing - of course it's not going to be awesome, because beating people up with a stick is reckless.
Thanks, KendoWorld.
Thanks, KendoWorld. But, is it a movie of championship held in 2013, right?
日本の武道を絶やさず継承してくれて有難う御座います。
So to sum this up, you can have the naginata blade on your neck all you want, but if you get hit on a pinky its over?
You cant score just by touching the blade on someone, It has to be a full strike.
However you cant score by striking someone across the neck like that because its dangerous and you could cause serious injury.
So some people simply ignore the blade resting there knowing that it wont score.
Which is kind of annoying. There is always debate about if this should be a penalty or not.
Cha4k it should count because imagine a real battle, a blow to the neck=ded
@@Cha4k ik this is a 3 year old comment. But why not use plates or a padded jacket to allow full contact?
@@AssasiCraftYogUscus i'm no expert, but it probably limits your mobility a lot. i do taekwondo and the gear we have to wear during sparring is pure PAIN
Is it me or the girl with black gloves started winning after the second blow (it seemed like they were talking at the beggining
Late but..
It is the power of *Friendship*
I'm trying to understand the pauses like at 0:20. They look like they're binding (is that what you call it in kendo? I only know European terms), but at 0:26 when the other fighter lowers her point, they just walk away from each other. So was :20 some kind of time-out? Were they discussing the validity of the blow, or do they leave that to the judges to figure out? In the SCA we have a lot of 'death by discussion' but idk if that's what I'm seeing here.
They do the same thing at several points throughout the video (3:03, 3:37) and I keep trying to figure out what it is. Some kind of stand-off because they're too close to effectively attack -- so it's a 'quick draw' to retreat into striking range? But then at 3:59, the red fighter doesn't seem to be worried about the white fighter's point passing right in front of her neck, so maybe it's not a standoff after all...
...I'm clearly missing something XD But their skill is still quite evident.
Densoro somtimes they stay close after a strike. There is no opportunit of attack at this distance. But if ever one is not aware, it is possible to strike when moving backward. Naginata is a polearm, you can only hit from a longer distance than kendo fight. When the blade is moving close to the neck, it was not a threat. Naginata is not like european fencing. Touching is not hurting. In order to strike a valid blow, you need to cut with help of your whole body motion. You also need to strike on valid part : most important are over the head, the throat, wrist, legs, with the valid part of the naginata : curving part of the blade (5cm long) or the white forward end (on the throat) or the naginata back end ( 20 to 25 cm from back end and only on legs)
Hi, First, please remember that this is not a real naginata fight. In reality there are no rules, no scores, no honor and no right or wrong. Either you do what is needed to win or you die. Now, naginata is a long range fencing weapon by it's definition. Of course there are various techniques for using it in close combat but one would prefer to engage from a safe distance. So in reality what did samurai do when reaching to such close distance? Probably use a close-quarters naginata technique or draw a sword or a knife (kenjutsu\tantojutsu). Or use hand-to-hand techniques (jujutsu).
Back to modern naginata, as we practice solely NAGINATA techniques we are limited to either use close-quarters naginata techniques or to retreat to the original distance. Doing anything else would be not be related to what we do and will also put our opponent in danger of injury.
No they just reset after a clean hit lands, so they're discussing the exchange
@@thearchives446 there is no "discussion" whatsoever during a match.
@@Aureliano5174 There is 合議 but that is for the shinpan.
Is smack talking or evil glares a part of the combat?
So what exactly is happening at 0:24 (or many other times in the video where they get really close to each other)? If I didn't know any better, I would think they were trading insults.
that's what i thought...
Too close to effectively strike. Only the tip of the naginata is bladed. So basically it's a game of chicken to see who DARES back up first
it looks like they hate each others guts🤣
Thank you for sharing!
(Anybody knows what's the background shouting mean?)
This looks like wicked fun.
"Oshite mairu" xD
So nata ni shio xddd
2:55
Y a clear stab on head score no point?
COuld have been with the flat of the blade?? Just a guess
If it's like Kendo, only thrusts aimed at the throat counts. For the head, you need to hit the top or side.
nobushi brought me here
Me too
Watching this, it seems as though you're supposed to do something to defend against an offensive attack; for example, if someone comes at you with that, hit it with your own long stick!
why do I enjoy this so much?
"Oshite mairu!"
sonata ni shi wo
This is amazing
Lawful techniques from martial arts, is the Japan Naginata!
Amazing
Why are they separated when they close in, even if nobody has connected with anything?
Should have had this in the Olympics, would've been better than break dancing. Although, they might not have been able to build teams from every country. To do the event.
I don't know about this weapon. Could someone please explain me, while being at an extreme close range, why can't we just use one hand to grab (or obstruct) the opponent's weapon and use the other hand to hold our weapon in shorter grip and stab at the gap between armor like at armpit, neck or thigh?
I'm not familiar with this particular sport but to my knowledge most fencing and kendo/hema-like systems and sports don't incorporate the kind of grappling you'd see in actual combat. Other issue is this is just wooden, an actual Naginata is gonna have a metal blade at the top so given the weight distribution, it might be impractical to wield it one handed.
parwitch if it were actual combat, that is what would happen. But in this, they have to land strikes with the blade portion on designated areas.
that's so cool
I dont know what this is, but dayum.... It look cool as heck
Why won't they go into hidden stance?
They're afraid the other will GB them
@@mr.l4770 Damn your right
What are the rules?
Nice work, but could they beat the legendary Benkei?
I am so Confucius as to what is going on
I thought that there would be more "technique" in naginata than this. Disappointing. Or is it just restricted in matches?
There are more techniques in naginata.
But those fighters are both highskilled so they use the most effective techniques. Also they have a defense that makes the opponent using the same attack.
If you can see a fight against lower rank fighters there will be a lots of different techniques because the defense is not as good as those in the video. :)
@@emmanuel7446 They are using techniques most effective in the context of the match.
I don’t get why sometimes they just stare each other down and get close
Intimidation prolly
Not sure why this was recommended to me but I kinda wanna see some real naginata action now 😮
karate shoukoushi brought me here and I'm on chapter 28
So we’re all nobushi mains? Ok
Yes
I expected this to be much more dynamic...
Never lose your cool, baby.
Hello nobushi mains
Big stick with curved blade very scary I see it I run
Whenever I see fencing or kendo or any other weapon-based fighting style turned sport, I can't help but think "I'm learning nothing about how people actually fought with these weapons, am I?" It's always a hot second of action, followed by a significant amount of milling about, presumably so the judges can do their business. Look, I'm not saying we need to bring back gladitorial-style blood sports, but actually that's exactly what I'm saying.
Well, you're learning how to assume proper guards and make attacks with structure. Close enough I'd say
Yes. Just like point fighting karate or taekwondo doesn't work in MMA. I'm betting real samurai battles is more like fencing in a sense that there will be more movement, faking attacks and dodging involved than blocking or parrying.
Why are they talking?
Would love to see this art practiced with a bit more realism a jitsu rather than a do. It's too much like fencing with its restrictive rule set which disallows grappling
You should do it. Most people are happy to fight with the strikes being limited to the armour since we want to practice these martial arts into old age and cant afford the risk of injury that comes with no safety restrictions. Also most people practice these for the physical and mental intensity required, For the suffering you have to endure and the discipline you develop as a result.
Not because they want to re-enact fully realistic ancient fights.
However, There is nothing stopping you from going for it :)
@@Cha4k already do, just wish I had more skilled opponents to play with.
@@mrspeigle1 if you ever come around Israel drop me a pm. I have some experience in fighting with HEMA guys using naginata.
A bit late, but there are 'games' or war reenactments where they do all that. Search up "Samurai armor battle" or something like that and you'll get the idea.
Oshtayo Nadru !!!
키야 루즈하노
fighto desu
My shadowfight bros and sis, hello
It's uncomfortable to see how unprotected their arms are
Once you start practicing you see that such protection is not needed.
@@Aureliano5174 Arms are apparently not legal targets right?
@@joonaskekoni2867 only a small portion, the one which is next to the wrists
EEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The winner's prize is my dinner invitation.
Where is Yosuke? He identifies as a woman right ubisoft?
nobushi be like
Fate hollow ataraxia anyone?
What type of sword are those emulating?
+Johnny English like the video said, naginatas which are polearms.
Those are not swords. Those are naginatas which are a type of Japanese halberd/glaive/spear
@@LamantinoElettronico Technically, nagi-nata means long-blade/sword.
The naginata was a polearm expecially used by female members of samurai clans (generally)
Id rather watch gameplay of Nobushi as thats what i was expecting... anyone else?
That's a lot of scary looking ladies
look up the history behind this weapon the ladies that made them famous are legends
confusing rule of the game.
Hockey su legno
de la deformation des techniques...
白にもファイトです言ってやれよ笑
You mean they don't use real naginatas? 😂
boring xD
they should use real but slightly dull blade and full armor. that would be better so no prancing around...
Even a blunt blade can be very dangerous, which can cut through a variety of materials that are analogue to human flesh. An impact from any weighted object can transfer enough energy through armour to break bones and cause other injury.
So freaking lame. Was expecting something more exciting.
It's not a real fight. All sports of Martial Arts are defined by rules and regulations.
Is just me or the swords are bent that they look like hockey sticks
They're not swords. It's naginata. Naginata have curved blades.
sleepy legend has it that naginata used broken/ discarded katana, hence the curve. females of samurai class used this for home defense upper class girls still practice in this.
@@gulfrelay2249 While it's possible that in some rare occasions broken katanas were used to make naginatas, its definitely not the mainstream. The blade of the naginata differs from the katana in several ways and there is plenty of pictures from museums and also enough historical records to support that.
Also - as far as I've seen - naginata is not restricted to "upper class". It's Integrated to the mainstream highschools in Japan and anyone can join a naginata club
Came here for blade sticks, got a weak women's hockey fight.
not really impressive
You would be impressed if you were facing them.
This "sport" is as useless as fencing. It is completely UNrealistic compared to real fighting with sharp, edged weapons. Seems like you would learn more dangerous moves that would get you killed rather than learning a fighting art that could save your life.
hadouken na na na ney hadouken K.O.!!!