Top Amazon PSU Falsely Claimed 80 Plus Gold (But It Didn't Explode) - AresGame AGS850
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- We bought one of the best-selling power supplies on Amazon, the AresGame AGS850 80 Plus Gold, and found it doesn't meet the requirements of 80 Plus Gold. It didn't explode, though!
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The AresGame AGS850 is one of the cheapest 80 Plus Gold power supplies on the market -- but the "80 Plus Gold" is in name only, and the manufacturer knows it. There are some upsides, however, like the PSU's protections passing our testing in a non-Gigabyte-like fashion and the PSU generally working and being cheap-ish -- but it certainly isn't an 80 Plus Gold unit. This power supply is among the top PSUs on Amazon for a gaming PC, and is one of the best selling "80 Plus Gold" ATX PSUs. As such, we wanted to buy it and see if it's any good. There are some upsides and some downsides alike, landing us in more traditional review territory with a lot of educational and informational background to learn more about PSUs. It was odd to do this one, since the manufacturer didn't fight us when we emailed and instead said it realized its "mistake" (if it wasn't intentional) and began reverting its advertising to simply "80 Plus" -- but it still retains the pagerank, and that's not good.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Aresgame AGS850 PSU Review
02:16 - Bronze is the New Gold
05:10 - Aresgame's Response (Spoiler: They Don't Blame Us)
08:20 - Leaving the Amazon Listing is Misleading
09:41 - Additional Marketing & Claims
10:42 - How False 80 Plus Results Can Happen
11:28 - Brief Recap of Issues
12:05 - Maybe the Cost-Benefit is Worth it For You
13:38 - Component Analysis with Patrick
18:03 - Power Efficiency Testing & 80 Plus Validation
20:41 - Load Regulation Concerns
21:26 - Voltage Ripple Inadequacies
23:06 - Fan Bearing Mismatch
23:47 - Protection Testing Passes Without Explosions
24:06 - SCP Testing Passes
24:26 - Overcurrent Protection Testing
24:49 - Over Power Protection Testing Passes
25:05 - Some Positives
26:08 - Conclusion
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This is the last PSU review for a little while! We know it's been a lot of them, but we normally try to do things in waves like this once we get into gear (it takes a lot of work to change testing for a week). More content soon, but there'll be a short break in PSU stuff. If you want to support this type of testing, grab something on the store & get quality items in return for the help: store.gamersnexus.net/ or visit patreon.com/gamersnexus for behind-the-scenes videos (shooting more this week). In the meantime, check out our Gigabyte explosion speedrun: ruclips.net/video/7JmPUr-BeEM/видео.html
Or see how a PSU is supposed to work here! ruclips.net/video/2SleaZ68ZO0/видео.html
Hope you can find a way to keep reusing the exploding gigabyte psu clips for a long time to come, they're gold! Nice work!
The psu testing has been wonderful & insightful. Don’t worry about that definitely not boring
A SFX psu Cooler Master think people would be getting it for there mini itx especially because it seems "affordable" for a mini itx
Cooler Master v750-sfx-gold
Cooler Master v850-sfx-gold
If you would please, could you look into the lowest star/egg sea sonic psu
More top quality reviews! I appreciate the depth. Personally, I don't really care about efficiency and I'd probably grab it for my media center if I needed a PSU. It's not got a 3090 or something in it.
“It’s better than Dell” becomes “It’s better than Gigabyte” lol
And dell’s putting 80+ platinum psu’s in their gaming pc line
While Dell's PSU may seem basic, at least they don't skimp on their quality. However, they seem to skimp everything else but the PSU
@@yourlilbrudder5766 Dell kind of has to, to meet EP rules in states like CA.
@@triadwarfare yeah they just skimp everywhere else instead.
there's intentionally making something bad then there's gigglebyte
Steve “I will twist the knife until they learn their lesson” Burke
But he'll do so with protective equipment like gloves for the knife, just in case it sparks and burns as it dies
Steve, The Destroyer of Hardware Companies)
@@afelias You say that, but he opened this video by picking up a bare PSU board with his hand!
Works for me. These companies try to deceive you and now there is someone actually throwing this in their face. Better for consumers for sure.
LOL, awesome :)
Dude I'm a quality engineer in aerospace, and he just gave you the I'm sorry a couple of us knew these were bad all along but management told us to sell them anyway, response. George is a pro.
this
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Ya maybe
I’m a big fan of how Steve handled this. He acknowledged the market differences between the east and the west, but also didn’t allow it to be used as an excuse for lying about the product. He was stern, but professional. And after that, he still presented the product in a fair light. That’s what I love the most about this channel. Steve’s push for ethical marketing and solutions that don’t treat the consumer like an idiot.
You should do more of the "Most Purchased" Power supply reviews. They will provide the most information for a lot of us since we likely have that PSU.
I totally dig that. I want to see most popular PC parts analyzed and criticized.
Linus tech forum has this type of psu ratings.
Or not just PSUs but more "most purchased components" in general. Coolers, cases, PSUs, fans (as soon as fan testing is actually working), whatever.
Yea this.
I hope you don't have that PSU, yikes.
"We dont completely hate it!" should be the confetti banner.
LOL True ... but I'm not sure if GN could actually give it that banner in this particular instance. If it had at least had less variance... At least to me, not a single person at GN would even feel comfortable putting it into one of their own computers, then it could be said that they hate it. Completely. LOL Just sayin'...
@@justsomeperson5110 Well, given that, "We don't completely hate it" is a direct quote from Steve at 28:41 in this video stated while wrapping up and summarizing their feelings regarding the power supply-I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're probably wrong and that it actually could *not* be said that they hate it. Completely. LOL Just sayin'...
Appreciate the analysis by Patrick. Great way to learn what makes a good PSU! (or doesn't)
The Speedrunner? :-)))
Eh, he isn't bad. Oh no it's an electronic DC load ahhhhh they're meant to power thin air, you know!
well, we learnt by now: good PSU don't explode
The part about Damages Not Covered, was friggin' hilarious lol
can we just name this series "Psu or Pos?"
i wonder how often people ask for warranties over psus exposed to nuclear radiation to mention nuclear accident
When "It didn't explode" becomes a selling point. They're still advertising it as 80+ Gold in the UK and on their product page on their website.
@asdrubale bisanzio yeah they really don't and Gigabyte doesn't care either it seems.
They’re probably thinking, “the UK is _east_ right? East of the US? They only said we should be honest with western markets, so we can keep it listed as gold here.”
@@SpaniardNL The sad thing is, I have Gigabyte motherboards in my 2 desktop PCs and have used other Gigabyte MBs in the past and they have always served me well. The one in my music recording PC is still going strong with a 3770K in it, that should tell you just how old it is. I was excited that it had USB 3. Haha. They used to be quality, and some of their components probably still ARE, but the more these companies start getting into areas that they really are not experts at, like PSUs, the more they run the risk of tarnishing any good will they have built up. Just do what you are good at. Make MBs and graphics cards, and maybe some other types of expansion cards, but leave PSUs, cases, etc, to the people who do those well already.
@@eboethrasher Sad is correct, Gigabyte is now on my nooooooope list for any component.
For another example, Ubisoft did its original U-play root kit nonsense. Denied it, got sussed out. Redenied it and got straight up proven to have a root kit. THEN said, "oh it wasn't us!" That got them on my banned for life list. Haven't put an Ubisoft game on any PC since 2013.
Maybe they meant the age of people buying them? Why back in my day you could get a thousand watts for a tenner after having permission to go to work to come back and sleep in our shoe box! Luxury!
Steve, It don't surprise me at all that its 80+ White label at best, the trouble is, we have no trading standards checking this crap on a regular basis anymore, they are just left to do what they want and get away with it.
I’d wager most PSUs produced over the last 18 months have slipped in efficiency rating due to component substitution. It would be interesting to see a comparison between two different runs of the same SKU.
It makes sense a shitty brand like "AresGame" (like wut) would do so. I'd love to see PSU's from reputable vendors ie Seasonic/Corsair, Cooler Master tested instead.
@@EminemLovesGrapes ^^ THIS. Very much.
@@EminemLovesGrapes Even EVGA.
Every company is doing it, when the brand is popular enough they start to cut corners to increase profits.
Appreciate this view into PSU testing. Makes me miss JonnyGuru and his reviews back in the beige tower days.
"It doesn't explode" GN award/approved... make it happen guys? subbed.
Steve didn’t just kill gigabyte. He stabbed them, shot them, and just to make sure they never forget, set them on fire with their own psu’s
Steve activated their fire alarm, not realizing it was rigged up to the self destruct sequence for the power supply division.
The last part is great.
I was thinking more a stake through the heart. Cut off the head and put a communion wafer in their mouth.
@@haldorasgirson9463 put the Gigabyte management on electric chairs, powered by PSU explosions.
He didn’t set them up in fire,they were engulfed in flames by the anger build-up
Yes, but they gave gigabyte months of warning!
Can we finally make it illegal to silently downgrade a product without changing the model name/number?
It’s wide spread, it’s anti-consumer, and it will continue to become the norm if nothing is done about it. Product reviews would become rather meaningless.
Amazon helps them by combining multiple products on one page so the reviews are mixed. They even allow them to completely change the listing while keeping old reviews. I learned not to buy any PC parts that aren't reviewed favorably by our lord and savior Tech Jesus.
@@freefall5x Agreed. If you're looking for ... sanity ... on Amazon, look elsewhere!!! Everything about Amazon is not how to business right. But they're easy. So for PC parts I shop there last, only buying on Amazon if if if the price is actually better than it is elsewhere AND I've already seen reviews I trust elsewhere AND find the seller behind the curtain to appear trustworthy. And even then, there's some shade to be found, so I always consider it a risky endeavor when I do. Buying PC parts on Amazon is like a barely legit eBay IMHO. LOL
well kingston, adata and a few other manufaturers are downgrading their memory controller for their ssds and nvmes...
Believe me, this was not downgraded. It is like that from the start.
A lot of companies do that, they will sell it until they get recalled.
@@justsomeperson5110 Right. Amazon provides good customer service and fast shipping, but has no supply-chain integrity (especially with their commingled inventory system with 3rd-party sellers).
Honestly, I'm more impressed with how they handled it so far. Already convinced me it's 1000x better than Gigabyte.
"No You" :)
This PSU is completely fine even for most demanding graphics cards and processors. It has over 700W on +12V and that is most important. For example 3090 ti has TDP of 350W , and let's say Ryzen 9 5900X has 105 W . Therefore, enough power to have them both plus plenty of room for OC, despite usual GN drivel, and their "standards" . Bottom line, if you could find it at fair price, buy it . As for 80 Plus Gold or Bronte, only idiots in Commifornia worry about that :)
@@aleksazunjic9672 a smart person once told me to just make sure it's UL, only very cheap equipment fails UL cert. Unfortunately from this video you wouldn't know.
@@jeebus6263 UL certifications is mostly used for industrial equipment, but it is certainly IEC certified.
@@aleksazunjic9672 the sad part is that 3090's have power spikes of up to 579w in testing (transient spikes of under 10ms duration, but still) and 5900x will draw signifficantly more than the 105w labled "tdp" which is just a marketing formula for AMD which doesnt even have the power the CPU consumes in there.
and overclocked the 5900x pulls more like 180-200w or more. And even the stock powerdraw is closer to 130w.
OC'ing those parts on THIS psu is ill-advised at best in my opinion, but other than this extreme case i think this unit will be fine for 98% of pc builds.
(also worrying about who much power you WASTE to get the same amount of pc running is not a bad or communist thing, what the hell.
It should be common sense that wasting more to get the same out is bad in every percieveable way, especially if you speciffically bought an "efficient" unit and get cucked with something like this.)
Thank you Steve for your and your teams hard work making sure the customer isn't getting the shaft by companies! This is one of the main reasons I love your channel.
You’re doing such a huge service to the pc industry! I sincerely appreciate what this team does, and without you this industry would be SIGNIFICANTLY more dirty than it currently is. Please, keep up the fantastic work you do.
Gamers Nexus is basically what "Consumer Reports" was in the 70's-00's everyone trusted the publication for it's testing of electronics and consumer goods.
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normally I’d ignore the bot comments/replies, but 8 of them? Are you kidding me?
They really have to add some kind of ‘suspected bot comment’ as a report function. All they have to do to prevent this specifically is check the timing between each post… don’t even need an AI for that.
On another note, I do love that most of the comments on this channel are appreciative of their efforts. Could be wrong here, but it seems that most (if not all) of the stuff they review, they buy out of their own pocket too.
I like how honesty and forthcomingness from a manufacturer stopped Steve dead in his tracks
Specifically honesty and forthcoming from a manufacturer who had apparently been deceptive in their marketing.
It's been a while when companies were this straight forward and reacted so quickly. Steve is quite a force to be reckoned with.
It's refreshing to see, even if they didn't remedy the situation correctly
For another psu I'd love to see something on the opposite end of the spectrum that's crazy expensive. Rog titan or maybe something 80+ titanium certified. Let's see what it takes to be a top tier psu.
Like my Seasonic prime 80+ titanium tier, sorry, I just got it not long ago on sale, so I'm proud of my purchase!
This seems similar to the hard drives that Linus was harping on last year, iirc.
The original spec for the device is validated and marketed on that validation. Then over time components are changed, but never validated again, yet the sky and marketing go untouched.
I think Ares would want his power supply to be covered in the case of: damage by war. Great video!
"We don't completely hate it."
I'd put that on the amazon product listing.
I like how GN says when they don't know something and doesn't spread rumors or speculate, but gives us the facts what could have happened and clearly gives the manufacturer / seller the benefit of doubt even in cases like this where one could easily draw quick conclusions which are not as favorable. Good job reporting the facts, GN.
Well, for that price it seems like a nice psu, shame about the marketing bs.
I love compoment testing, I'd like to see more reputable brands and how good/accurate they really are. Might be less thrilling of a video, but still super fun/informative
True. At one point there was UL or Consumer Reports, but those days seem long gone.
thats why im excited for the ltt labs
As someone who has sold well over 40 rigs using the 500 watt model, I can tell you guys that I haven't had ONE issue with any buyer regarding these units. What's more impressive is I ran ONE of the 500w units mining Ethereum using FOUR GTX 1060 6gb cards for 2 months straight, let me repeat, 4 cards. Very impressive. I will continue to use these units until any consistent negative issues arise.
I've been using Aresgame on all my builds recently. Kinda hard to beat the price and reliability.
I've been running the 500 watts PSU on my PC for nearly a year now with zero issues and no irregularities. Cool and quiet. I've pretty much only heard good things about them, too! For a person living in LATAM like me this was a godsend, honestly.
Just want to say I really appreciate these PSU pieces; it's such an underexamined area of custom builds - the typical advice always seems to have been "gold or above from a named company" and just roll the dice. Having a real depth of detail is enormously valuable. Excellent work.
Gold PSUs from tier 1 manufacturers is a pretty safe bet.
Man, this GN video is so fresh i can smell burnt electronics.
😂😂
Nothing like starting your day, with the smell of magic smoke in the morning 🤦♀️
Always nice to see the team getting on camera.
Ty! Great review, I love keeping manufacturers honest, especially when it comes to power efficiency in the current warm climate.
I look forward to every single PSU review including a "Did It Explode?" test.
Sounds like Moose Test for PSUs...
You may laugh at this but actually I consider failure tests to be even more important than efficiency tests! In fact, if a faulty PSU blows up it can pull all your expensive peripheral hardware into the grave as well. Don't want that to happen. Safety > efficiency.
@@FeuerblutRMit's 2 years but you are absolutely right! Not fine for both, but the bigger evil is when a power supply throws 400V down the 12V line. Nasty!
“Hey Boss, there’s a video about our power supply.”
“Oh no.”
“It’s from Steve…”
“OH NO.”
Change the first "oh no" to just "oh", and your joke gets funnier.
@@jackielinde7568 Dammit, you’re right. 8)
"There's more"
oh yeah -kool aid man
Burn our stock, fast, before the police arrives ;)
Excellent. Thanks for all the hard work!
I am enjoying the deep dives into components. Thanks for the hard work.
25:28 The "It didn't explode/It's Sorta Fine" achievement!!!
Gamers Nexus: I think the recommendation you're looking for is, "This will work if you're really desperate. We don't know how long it will work, or what it will do when it ultimately fails."
Well said.
May be better for a low cost, low power business PC. But even a med power PC may experience issues. But at lest it doesn’t explode... maybe.
Thank you for your hard work. I have never been interested in power supplies, but thanks to you guys I started watching your videos about them, or maybe I like to listen to Steve and Patrick's voices... :)
Very much enjoying these PSU videos. Can't wait for fan testing.
That definitely sounded like they heard about your gigabyte piece and wanted to try and be as truthful as possible while not trying to admit they were lying to consumers about something 95% of people wouldn't even know how to test.
To be as charitable as possible to them, I don't think they're necessarily guilty of actively lying. Swapping parts because of shortage and then not testing them isn't necessarily lying. It sounds a lot more like unethical negligence to me.
@@afelias I'd like to believe it's simple negligence, because I can 100% see how if you were running a massive shortage, and your suppliers told you that these components are roughly equivalent in quality and performance, you could easily take a misstep by not actually verifying those claims and just pushing out product to meet demand. It would certainly corroborate their claim that they have both units that met the standard and units that failed, which would imply that there's a mix of people who got the product as advertised and those who got what is essentially a decent but still cheap 80+ White/Bronze unit. Maybe it's being a bit too charitable, but seeing as they're essentially a no name Amazon seller that could easily rebrand and barely suffer losses yet still chose to be honest with Steve, I'm leaning on giving them that benefit of the doubt that they simply made a poor decision which unknowingly caused them to sell products that didn't meet their advertising claims.
@@afelias At least they're honest. SSD manufacturers change up their memory and actively try to hide it.
The actual percentage of PC users not knowing how to test a PSU is probably closer to 99.999%
@@afelias Heya, Electrical Engineer here. They're full of shit. As Patrick showed in his teardown there are a lot of critical components missing. In the desgin you can quite easily tell that this is not a DNP but just straigt up not present in the design. Ergo, if what Steve was "suggesting" happened (they got lucky) they had to have gone through a redesign. And going to a redesign by removing critical components is imo way past unethical.
In my eyes it sounds a lot like Steve's first scenario. They created a "better" sample and sent that for certification, then slapped it on their cheaper variant. It's probably also likely that they did eventually cost down their components once they learned they got away with it. Probably was silver, not more bronze/white.
TL;DR Their reply reeks of "sorry we got caught, please don't assblast us" and they're full of shit 100%.
Edit: To add, just buy a good high quality unit. These will last FOREVER. I'm still rocking my AX860 I paid 150 euros for almost 10 years ago. I'm quite sure it paid itself off by now.
"it doesn't explode" is the new thing you considered when buying a PSU
what a time to be alive
Don't worry, with the vaccines and the crypto ready to crash, everything will be back to normal, have faith as i do!!!
*proceeds to kill himself
I feel like we're back in the '90s, where PSUs were the wild west and you REALLY had to tread carefully to protect your build from the many lies that could take down your PC with a bad PSU. Which is weird considering how improved PSUs have gotten with protections and standards. But, clearly, not enough with VALIDATING those protections and standards.
Lmao
@@justsomeperson5110 well back in 90s when we called them "Power Supplies" , there wasn't 80 plus sh!t. No rating, just an output in peak wattage, 300 was suffice for most higher end systems and they all worked perfectly. I have some that still run! And we are STILL using 24 pin mobo connector!!!😄
Really enjoying the PSU reviews. Keep up the good work.
It's awesome having thorough PSU reviews now
I ain't no PC expert, nor an Electrical Engineer, just a simple farmer.
But I'm concerned on your personal safety during testing. Is it a good idea if there's a transparent durable plastic shield between the psu and you guys? Or just use eye protection. Concerned on catastrophic failure and metal fragments flying.
We are working on getting a blast shield in place, actually. Thank you for your concern!
Definitely useful, especially.given the need to keep some of those rare metals away from the tester.
Might want to use a fume hood. No telling what toxic stuff came flying out of that capacitor.
@@haldorasgirson9463 Mostly the hopes and dreams of gamers. Mostly hopes and dreams.
@@GamersNexus It's the sort of thing that you should never need.............. but in a world where a company like Gigabyte can make a unit that bad who knows what would happen to a lesser brand.
2000w of 95 Plus Gold PSU from the brand ฿ for less than some 1000w units should feel worried right now.
Would love the next one to be Seasonic platinum and/or titanium so we have a benchmark for those high end/priced models. And just to see how reliable those are.
These already exist, you can find numerous reviews of Seasonic power suppose with very detailed data for years. Have bothered to look for this information? And yes, Seasonic consistently exceed their specifications.
Probably would not make for an interesting video, as most of it should be "this is according to the specification"
@@lootyy true, but good products from good brands needs to be known. We can't always have exploding videos or cases that chop cables :D
@@allanwilmath8226 I don't disagree, but it would be nice to have a recent one from Steve just to rub it in Gigabyte's face 👀
Oh IDK every company needs to be double checked. Every maker of computer parts have been caught with some BS they forgot to mention. I don't trust anything lately. Especially sense covid with supplies of good parts getting swapped out because of availability.
Thanks for the in-depth content as always! For future power supplies: I'd be curious to see one of the silverstone SFX-L units. It'd also be interesting to learn how the space constraints affects component choice/design thinking.
thank you , PSU testing is long overdue and I commend you on your efforts
Would love to see some SSD deep dives given that multiple outlets over the last few days have caught both WD and even Samsung swapping components out of existing stock that vastly affect performance in some cases.
@@muckdriver From what I saw of Samsung's information, that's the case. I just clarified with "some" cases as I had lumped Samsung and WD into the same sentence. That's on me lol. Was aimed more at WD and the others than Samsung specifically.
Though, the fact that (forgive the possible crap reference) a V6 could be swapped with an I4-Turbo that has almost the same torque, gas-mileage, and top speed doesn't make the swap any less disingenuous without telling the buyer that it changed since you showed off, and still market it as a V6.
It seems the new meta for manufacturers is to make us go from scandal to scandal so everything gets blurred and forgotten
@@CalgarGTX Sounds like politics lol
Kingston has been doing this crap for years and nobody cared about it. A400 960GB dropping in price by 40-50eur overnight a couple years back from ~180 to ~130. What did they do? Swap to crappier NAND. Was it ever in the news anywhere? nope... nothing whatsoever. And of course that happened *after* it got tons of decent reviews
@@CalgarGTX Yup, best way to deal with a scandal is manufacture an even bigger one somewhere else away from your own doorstep lmao
Steve and GN Team, Thank you so much for doing a detailed video on this PSU. I have reviewed AresGame products in the past but do not have the technical tools and full knowledge of the inner-workings of PSUs like your team does. I have made a post to my community too, to come check out this video for detailed information about this PSU. Thanks again for taking the time to review this unit! I am very relieved to see these units survive your testing, though not quite an "as advertised" unit. Thanks again!
Here again
The blue bars on the sides while the graph is up are a super nice touch!
Really liking the content. Nice to have in unbiased(or as little as possible) depth analysis. hard to come by these days
Whether it’s actually gold rated or not, I’d use this over the gigabyte lol
Especially if they go out of their way to reply and respond to this sort of thing! I think that speaks loads
They should add that in their marketing too. "It does not explode".
Same, I had once a PSU going boom, it took the mb with it in the fall😜
@@conyo985 Too much liability. If even 1 explodes I would think they would be way more open to litigation. ;)
@@ReivecS LOL! I did not think of that.
Another great piece, thanks for this content. It really puts the lack of consumer protections in this country in stark relief. If we had agencies that inspected and qualified goods, Steve wouldn’t have to tell us about power supplies that may explode. I don’t even fault gigabite and ares, their aim is to make as much money as possible… even (maybe especially) at the cost of customer well being, and the regulations some bitch about are supposed to stop false advertising and products that will burn houses down. We keep slashing budgets and cutting these regulations, so expect lots more of this.
you are talking there about one country, your country, but, it is like this pretty much everywhere
someone uses fake certificates, or no certificates at all to sell, sell fast and get rich, no matter what
is a sad reality we live, and is a blessing to have a youtube channel testing things like gamers nexus does, i never use the written review, i do prefer the video
Love these videos on power supply’s!!!
Don't cheap out on a PSU, guys. A good one can last through multiple computer builds. And if it fails catastrophically, it can ruin any or all parts of your system. Your motherboard, case, and AIB features on your GPU are a better place to stretch your budget.
Yes buy guality PSU only. I know from experience ;D
Until your motherboard shits the bed two months after your build like several people I know.
in some shitty circumstances it could cost your house and loved ones....
Shoutouts to that one cheaper Corsair PSU that killed my motherboard and CPU because the protection was too slow to kick in
I'm still using the same Corsair PSU from 2006. It first powered a E6400/gt8800 and I've carried it over with every upgrade since. I'm now at the stage where I'm just intrigued to see how long it lasts before crapping out.
I'd love to see a Seaonic Gold or Platinum reviewed.
Agreed. If anyone is going to brand a PSU as Platinum and actually get there, it is likely to be Seasonic. I'd like to see a PSU that isn't just 'sorta fine', but is likely to be actually good, even if that means it is expensive enough that it isn't super-popular.
@@sadlerbw9 Why bother with platinum, go straight to titanium.
I got a seasonic platinum 550w bought in 2017 still works flawless, but if it's really as efficient as they say - no idea. been very happy with it tho. Silent fan with great bearings.
There are already plenty of reviews of Seasonic PSUs. Reviews of things like this that haven't been actually reviewed are much more valuable.
It will be a very boring video that you can summarise in a couple of sentences. It's good. If you can afford it you can buy it.
Thank goodness I saw this before I installed it in my rig. I will be returning mine ASAP!
Keep these coming, we have been sorely lacking good PSU testing since Jonny Guru left the scene.
Man it's actually been years since you got this PSU test equipment and you mentioned how you were refining your precesses. The payoff for that due diligence has been immense!
I love the way you guys do things and I can only imagine how great the fan testing will be when you get it set up in your new place. Whenever that is. It'll be worth the wait.
Takes us a long time to trust ourselves with what we're producing! Glad you remember when we first got the equipment! Probably 3-4 years now.
@@GamersNexus And we've been waiting (not so) patiently every year since!
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for taking the time to be able to do it right!
@@GamersNexus It was like a king crowning his successor, I can't believe JohnnyGuru's old testing equipments are still in such good condition.
@@matasa7463 A master takes good care of their equipment!
@@matasa7463 this is JohnnyGuru's testing equipment? Hah that's amazing, I've been reading all his reviews in the past
Glad to see PSUs get more attention. They’re so important. Also glad to see good OEMs like Seasonic getting a mention.
Pat Stone! Doing great on camera! Love the team is growing at GN Im excited to see what you guys do next!!
I really appreciate you guys picking up PSU reviews. Since the demise of hardocp I didn’t have a good resource for objective testing. Bravo.
This is just a general message of support for this PSU series. Its one of the less covered, and more important, components. And im sure that many others like myself are interested in finding a good safe quality psu for our machines as we wait for GPUs to come back to semiaffordable prices
We sometimes forget how good Steve's Chinese is, among the wealth of technical knowledge, abilities and attention to detail on the testing.
Why dont u ask him out. I bet him is not taken.
These videos along with the Gigglebit debacle, have convinced me to reeeeallly think about the quality of the PSU as the first component of consideration for my next future build. Thanks, Steve!
The PSU is one of the most important components in a system. Skimping there is potentially one of the biggest mistakes you can make.
PSU market is a mysterious one. Thanks for shedding the light to at least some part of it!
I think you can extend the mystery to all of electricity. It is a very magical force.
So many cool and informative tech pieces in the last few days. Can't wait for the factory tour video releasing in the next week you teased. Thanks Steve! (Thanks to the rest of the team too! Really appreciate everyone's work!)
We're really excited about that one!
„But it didnt explode“ haha what a featureless PSU
Great job, thank you. please man continue with PSUs analysis...
I really like how detailed your PSU reviews are. One brand that i would really like to see is PC Power & Cooling. They have been around since the 80's and i would really be interested to see how the quality stacks up in this day and age. Has to be one of the oldest PSU manufacturers around...
I have a 610 watt PC power and cooling PS that I bought over ten years ago and its still going silent and strong in its second build - theyre expensive I paid over $100 for my 610 watt but when I bought mine they claimed all Japanese caps w/ high end parts and specs, but I never see reviews probably due to their price or availability you dont see many around.
Steve you probably have a Folder for storing all of these Damning clips for easy access and regular use right? Is the folder named something awesome like, "Blood of my OEMemies" I must know your secrets. I will not rest sir!
OEMemies is easily the best thing to come out of this comments section! I will use this one day!
@@GamersNexus Thankyou Thankyou Im a bit of a metal head, particularly Viking metal, favorite band probably Manowar. And while I have you here, I dunno wether or not you can or want to add it to the list but Im curious if the internals of my Psu, The Phanteks Revolt-X, are a proper gold standard that might set a bar for other companies. I refuse to buy consoles and would like to use it as a full on home entertainment system in a single case and Im a little scared to plug in a second Gpu
@@vortraz2054 Unless you suspect something super shady is going on, the "powered by Seasonic" should tell you everything you need to know about your power supply. More than likely, Phantek has just put their sticker on the most reputable PSU manufacturer's product. Unlike AresGame, Seasonic has been making PSUs for over 40 years, and their 10+ year warranties actually mean something.
@@semosesam I refer you to the clip of Steve commenting on Seasonic her in this video. Which is to say meehh?.. Why would I take the worlds word for it. There is only one thing I truly wish Death upon, sir. Blind Faith.
This is why you don’t trust Amazon recommendation. Gotta find credible reviewer.
Yeah, a lot of the store review sites have "credible reviewer issues". I've gotten to where I ignore the five starts and start at the one and two star reviews to see what they said.
@@jackielinde7568 Don't forget to look at the "strata" of reviews too! The earliest ones are always 5 stars and it's the latest ones that you have to read into to get the whole picture for what you're buying.
I'm one of the "Got suckered in by gigabytye to buy a kit" PSU guys, and thanks to you, i was able to return it. still waiting on my refund.
I am thus now currently looking at replacement power supplies, and would honnestly love to see tests on a Titanium 750-850W Psu. Ive been looking at Be Quiet, Seasonic and Superflower.
My current EVGA 1000W P2 is getting old and does have a melted connector, and has been working hard 24/7 since I bought it. I'd like to have a good spare before something goes south.
I Had an EVGA 750W G2 Blow up on me and that actually forced me to use the gigabyte PSU for some time, which was not great for the nerves.
Thanks a lot for your content and efforts! It has not been wasted! The EVGA Testing reinforced confidence in my EVGA Units!
I could never go with a "It's okay" or "Sort of fine" PSU. That is the one part that can cause serious damage to literally everything else if it fails. Never ever skimp on the PSU quality.
I learned this lesson long ago, with a plethera of skimp'd PSUs I was lucky however as I only had dead fans instead of a gigablast PSU!
I'm now a proud owner of Seasonic titanium that I got on sale!
I’d love to see something like a sea sonic prime vs focus review (similar with other brands as well) within the same efficiency branding and claimed wattage.
Agreed it would be interesting to see family comparisons inside of reputable brands. The differences in marketing are really difficult to understand what you are paying for that actually matters.
Same. I had a very early failure from a seasonic focus not long ago.
Got an EVGA supernova 1200 Platinum 2 years ago when they weren’t obscenely expensive. Been happy with it ever since.
2 years is nothing for a psu, i have ones from the 1990`s that still work
Got a EVGA Supernova 750w power supply near 5 years ago, it's happily supported all the upgrades I've done since, went from a Athlon X4 880k & Radeon RX 470, all the way to a Ryzen R5 2600X & Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon 5700XT and its happily kept everything fed
Yep EVGA's mid-high end PSUs are generally pretty good with Seasonic and Superflower being the manufacturers of most of their high quality PSUs, I've had a 650w P2 since 2015 and it's still going strong and I expect it to keep chugging along for at least another 2-4 years but honestly I expect it to go much longer than that and just hope when it dies it doesn't take any other components with it.
this is the best god damn channel on youtube... im addicted to the sarcastic shade thats always thrown out
Steve and team, thank you very much for testing PSU and giving clear explanations. Its someting we almost never see on other channels.
I would love to see you guys testing models of other known brands (I mean brands not makers, cause brands surely add some guidence and requirements on the final prodcut design), meaning models from: Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, Cooler Master, FSP, Superflower, EVGA, Fractal, Lian-Li, XFX, NZXT, etc. Once again, thank you very much!
I will also love to see PSU testing witht he RTX 3080/3090 and transient response / power peak.
Cheers from Argentina!
I'd like them to place a "It's probably fine." Gamers Nexus badge on their amazon.
Too bad this video wasn't sponsored by Gigabyte. Imagine the irony.
" It's Sorta Fine * " is the official badge
Kinda surprised that off-brand psu came up better than Gigabytes.
as for reccomendation on PSU:
if you want to do it as an exercise you could look at a more expensive reputeable PSU like the Seasonic prime GX-850.
for me it would be interesting if its as good as claimed or even better (or worse and you get to have a lot of headache again)
for lower end PSU you could test some bottom bin 550 watt units to see how much 40-50$ psu screws you over (or might deliver what was claimed)
I would be interested to see a brand new PSU and a heavily used PSU of the same model #. Test how the components degrade on a 5yr old PSU (typical warranty period) with normal/high use.
It would be hard to get new and used gear to test. Gear can be artificially aged though. Just run it at an elevated temperature. Every 10°C rise halves component life. Run those 105°C caps at 105°C and you'll only get their service life out of them then. Which is often only 1,000-2,000 hours. So maybe a month and a half?
I finally paused the Squarespace Snowflake portion to read and I am happy I did.
I want a link to that website Steve! Please publish it on the internet so we can read through it all!
*"I only paid 2x MSRP for my PC... and it didn't explode!"*
The state of PC buying in 2021.
Love this PSU videos. Love the caos, thank you
Really like this idea of a "most purchased" review, for any category of product that GN reviews.
I suggest that no MOV, no relay around the thermistor and double-forward design (to quote jonnyGuru, "Lower efficiency and the hard switching doesn't like the high transient loads of higher end graphics cards.") are fundamental choices of a lower efficiency PSU rather than component alternatives causing a drift away from Gold.
I agree.
I agree too. This was never a gold rated supply.
I mean, if the design was barely capable of skirting by with good components, I'm not sure how a component change could just ... go forward to production.
No matter what their response is from now on, their behavior up to this point has still been extremely dishonest. One black eye is better than two like Gigabyte now have, but they still pulled shady tactics.
I know it's extremely difficult to do these days, but I'm more and more trying to not buy from shady companies. These guys aren't even a ubiquitous or even a well known name, so they have no chance with me.
Actually amazing how much effort they put on reviewing this PSU, even making the company having to do something just 'cause they're scared of being another Gigabyte PSU case.
Loving these series, please keep inserting digs at Gigabyte to remind them of how terribly they handled the whole situation! Would love to see Corsair's SF750 as it's pretty much a gold (platinum) standard for all SFFPC builds.
Thanks for all the stuff you put out GN. I'm so happy that companies are now starting to realize that the in-depth, honest reviews from the incorruptible power players like yourselves actually make a difference. I for one have based a lot of my buying decisions on the information you guys have given. Hopefully, some of the bigger names will start to understand that when they knowingly put out a bag of crap and try to dupe consumers with it, they run the real risk of having it smushed open for millions to see. Gigabyte is facing a huge PR nightmare right now thanks to you, and I couldn't be happier to see their smug faces turning into worried ones. Keep up the good work.
Gigabite sure as hell regrets that pathetic "statement" they put out. They are now the benchmark for bad PSU's 🤣
forget to say, “Good morning” 👊✊👎👍👌✋🖐
forget to say, “Good morning” 👊✊👎👍👌✋🖐
but took a pair of scissors💯🆎️🅰️🅱️❌✔️📛❎♀
RIP you got botted
@@ataready8810 Hahaha. Seems like 🤣
Steve you're doing a great service to the PC community, keep doing what you're doing. Let the world knows the real contenders to the pretenders. 👍
This PSU is completely fine even for most demanding graphics cards and processors. It has over 700W on +12V and that is most important. For example 3090 ti has TDP of 350W , and let's say Ryzen 9 5900X has 105 W . Therefore, enough power to have them both plus plenty of room for OC, despite usual GN drivel, and their "standards" . Bottom line, if you could find it at fair price, buy it . As for 80 Plus Gold or Bronte, only idiots in Commifornia worry about that :)
@@aleksazunjic9672 wow. Just no.
@@aleksazunjic9672 IT IS A LIE ! END They still can sell it for a 80 Plus Bronze PSU ! No need to fake things ! But if you are happy if someone lie to you i have something nice for you: "you are very clever and a good looking person, go on like this" :D
@@jasonhemphill6980 Well, you do not understand what I'm talking about so never mind ;)
@@MrLince-hr4of Technically speaking, they still have valid 80 plus gold certification from proper authority, so it is not a lie. GN is not such authority, and frankly I doubt accuracy of many of their tests. But let's leave it at that, because 80 Plus Gold or Bronze only matters to "eco-friendly" green idiots who do not understand basic stuff about physics. Most of other people care about power delivered at +12V and stuff like OPP, OVP and SCP . Overall, this PSU seems decent, if the price is right you could buy it even for some "heavy" gaming rig.
Hi, Great series and excellent explanations., thanks for the great educational content. A PSU I would recommend to test in the future is the Corsair VS550/650. Cheers
The 'it didn't explode' celebratory confetti was a nice touch. 🥳
I like the deep PSU testing. I know that testing equipment (and the knowledge to use it) cost money but I'm here to confirm it's worth it. I look forward to more. Great video.
I would like to see an efficiency test of some seasonic or other "good" supplies. And then a direct comparison with something like this with the internals. Having Stone explain it is nice but something side by side would I think be better. Esp if that would be something that is verifiable by the consumer pre purchase.
I think the EVGA speed run PSU will probably pop up as a review soon.
There are already a plethora of good power supply reviews from reputable sources (Techpowerup, TomsHW, HWBusters etc...) for those good PSUs. I'd recommend reading ones by Aris, he's one of the major PSU testers/reviewers. They're always extremely thorough and includes full disassembly/teardown all the way down to the individual component level and includes component-by-component discussion/commentary
@@DuyLeNguyen cool. If I wanted to see other people do that I could have searched RUclips. Thanks? for the tip? Did you assume I was unable to search? Did you assume I didn't know others have done this work? But either way, I don't care. I want to see THIS channel do it. Ya know, it is why I commented on this video that asked us to tell the what we want to see. Again, thanks so very much for YOUR input. It was exactly what I was looking for.
@@sobertillnoon Happy to help, friend! Internet search can be a difficult and scary place indeed!
Aris' initial reporting on the dodgy Gigabyte PSUs was the one GN followed up on for these pieces, so they are a very very useful place to start, especially as you said, you wanted to see how the componentry differs between a 'good' PSU and the bad Gigabyte units (and especially since he goes through the standard tear-down process for the Gigabyte bombs in the same way he does the 'good' units
I would love to see a review of some of the brands that are typically trusted like seasonic
Good stuff pls do more power supplies
Steve and the crew have been busting out absolute banger videos. Thank you for you guy's hard work!
Damn steve really chose violence with the psu test. Gotta love it
Good, gigabyte deserves it in every way. gigabyte lack of acknowledgement of this ongoing issue was disgusting and a general disservice to their customers. They were given ample amount of time and information from different tech outlets, not just gamers nexus, about this issue. They could have just owned up to the problem, issued mass recalls of their power supply, and just took a bit of a credit hit and be done with it. Instead they sat on this issue for a long time, causing who knows how many customers time and money either due to power supply frying on them or in worst case, losing multiple computer components when it fails. Worst was that they tried to attack the very outlets that wanted to help in the first place. Gamers nexus is completely in the right to continually harass gigabyte about this scummy practice. Seems it is the only way nowadays to make a corporation do their actual job of making a non faulty product instead of screwing their customers then double downing on their own screw ups and make it the customer fault instead.
I've had one of these for a while and it works great for my needs. Well, I have one of the bronze rated 750Ws which is probably advertised a little more honestly.
Is it still working? I have one coming in and am anxious.
@@Nusca93 been good for my 500w PSU for about 2-3 years soo yea its good… not ye haven’t explode 👍
@@Nusca93 I have a 650 watt bronze psu And i overclocked my 220 watt tdp gpu to the highest in can take and it was drawing approx. like ~300 watts and the psu held strong. Still have it in my pc after 2 years.
I'd wonder if Aresgame is just a company who wasn't thorough in vetting their factory. They might have gone to a factory, asked what the price was, they got quoted a price, were shown a few units that did pass verification, and then went on to set up box art and channel distribution. The factory might have even told them "we're subbing out some components because of limited availability." And they just assumed the factory wasn't doing them dirty. That might be why you got an honest response in email.