Clearest explanation seen - I have to go right back to my days of learning on a Piper (in real life)..... I always got blank looks when I used to tell people that on landing throttle controls height and pitch determines speed..... Best, Pete.
Brilliant stuff Froogle. You've given me something to aim for in trying to tame the F/A-18 and the F-16. Looking forward to seeing your carrier landing video!
It took me a week or two to get consistent with carrier landings. The things to bear in mind: 1. The first turn is a break turn with zero throttle at 1% G's in airspeed. Its two jobs are to bleed airspeed and put you on the downwind leg around 1.1 miles away from the carrier on beam. 2. The 2nd turn is a completely different beast. It's much slower, flown on speed, on AOA at around 30 degrees bank. This turn requires a delicate hand. 3. The Hornet's throttle is super slow to respond and not very accurate. You need to anticipate velocity vector direction changes and make your throttle changes prior. 4. There is no one throttle setting for on speed. I found it was best to oscillate the throttle around a fixed point - with both the fixed point and the size of oscillations varying dependent on where the velocity vector is. I had thought this was a 'DCS' thing until I saw a real hornet pilot land - he was doing exactly the same throttle oscillations! 5. Don't forget your plane comes with an ICLS system. Make sure to tune into it and use it - even for case 1. It will teach you precisely where you need to be. 6. I initially found getting on AOA tricky - my velocity vector would just shoot up the screen when the flaps are deployed. Your F18 wants to be at around 130-140kts when you start trimming for AOA. I tend to use the speedbrake (if too fast) and I will force the nose onto the horizon with pitch authority. Once at 140 kts, you can release your pitch controls and trim the aircraft - after that you never need to touch your pitch control again! 7. As Froogle showed, do not touch your pitch once on AOA, if you do, you will mess up the aircraft's balance. This is really hard to learn to do as instinctively, you'll want to play with the pitch. Use your throttle instead, more power for up, less for down. 8. Finally, never flare the aircraft (I had this in muscle memory and it's quite hard to undo), and always assume a bolter - ie once on the deck, nail your throttle. A non-bolter should come as a pleasant surprise :)
I'm at the "velocity vector would just shoot up the screen when the flaps are deployed" part of my learning :) This comment is super helpful, so thank you! I'm pretty sure I've been still going way too fast (trying to get ahead of myself and reduce cognitive load by deploying flaps and gear too early, I guess)
Lex's video was very helpful, but I've found your "gamer's take" extremely helpful. I've been practising too, but I think this video of your's has taught me some things that I didn't realize I needed to know and that's going to help out a great deal. Probably will refresh on this video before each practice session as well. Thank you for this.
Thank you very much!! I did not get any notice on this one, so I just found it now :-( I haven't crashed a F18 landing in a long time (including traps), but they are not always pretty, so this is precisely what I have missed. Many training hours ahead….
Froogle, I've been watching your vids for a long time. And yes, Lex Talionis' (Horner driver, BTW) videos are fascinating. But I must say, your video goes into the basics that a newbie may not understand. Like where 30deg bank marker is, as an example. Anyway, kudos, it's another great video! And if you haven't check out CW Lemoine's video where he and Gonky fly the FA18.
Something I learned way back when I learned to fly IRL, is power/throttle controls rate of decent/climb and pitch controlled speed. And they are symbiotic. You can't change one without changing the other. It's something I think about when landing every time. I'm a bit high or descending too much adjust with power, pitch/trim to maintain speed.
Thank you very much! In the last days I tried so much landing on the carrier and never got it right... Not knowing why. I think your video gave me the last bit of info I needed to understand! Looking forward to trie it! ... Is it possible that you want to do also a video on air to air refueling in the Hornet? :-)
I am an accomplished private pilot (instrument) who dreamed of being a naval aviator but wouldn't have lasted a day in real FA-18 training. This video is excellent and, as Froogle suggests, outlines a key skill that would benefit anyone at any level of aviation training, from Cessna 152 to F-117.
here is my method: use throttle to put E bracket where you want to land first. Thatwould make the energy work out roughly. then use the trim to adust TVI to center of E bracket. That would slightly move the E bracket(because movement of the plane), use throttle to readjust/refine where E bracket is - use stick to maintain correct AOA untill land. This is a faster method if you need to land in a hurry
I don't have this module but yeah great to see you Froogle with this in-depth kind videos. By the way with your Ka50 videos I manage to fly it with keyboard very well 🙂
With respect Froogle, you are now trying to fly a jet like a Cessna. Pilots will get grief if they follow this, for taking too long in the pattern. The principles are there, but the order is out. From initial or marshal, drop to 350kts and 1000ft agl. Drop the hook. The Break is done to drop the speed. You pull and maintain a 4G turn in the break slowing to 250kts on the downwind, descending to 800ft agl Drop gear and flaps and then trim for AoA. When on speed and angle, at 45deg from threshold, begin a 30deg left bank onto final. Power will be required to maintain AOA. By the numbers, you’ll have about 7-10seconds, in the groove - follow the ball and hit that 3 wire. The traffic pattern is an oval, there isn’t really a crosswind or base.
Yes I agree that's how the US Navy pilots do it - after three long years of training. What Froogle has done is compress that training into a long, safe environment so that we can get a feel for the jet in this attitude and speed AND holding it. I personally will try it over the field in about three long circuits and see how I go. Once I can safely get the jet where I want it and turn it 180 degrees - THEN I will go to the carrier. Thanks Froogle.
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Good stuff. Remember FULL flaps for landing and you have a radar altimeter that can be shown on the HUD.
Matt Wagner hey Matt! Great job so far on the hornet. My fav so far. Looking forward to the 16! Might be my new favorite!
Clearest explanation seen - I have to go right back to my days of learning on a Piper (in real life)..... I always got blank looks when I used to tell people that on landing throttle controls height and pitch determines speed..... Best, Pete.
The Hornet is one of my favorites, so much fun and there's a lot more under the surface then you think at first.
Brilliant stuff Froogle. You've given me something to aim for in trying to tame the F/A-18 and the F-16. Looking forward to seeing your carrier landing video!
Excellent explanation.
It took me a week or two to get consistent with carrier landings. The things to bear in mind: 1. The first turn is a break turn with zero throttle at 1% G's in airspeed. Its two jobs are to bleed airspeed and put you on the downwind leg around 1.1 miles away from the carrier on beam. 2. The 2nd turn is a completely different beast. It's much slower, flown on speed, on AOA at around 30 degrees bank. This turn requires a delicate hand. 3. The Hornet's throttle is super slow to respond and not very accurate. You need to anticipate velocity vector direction changes and make your throttle changes prior. 4. There is no one throttle setting for on speed. I found it was best to oscillate the throttle around a fixed point - with both the fixed point and the size of oscillations varying dependent on where the velocity vector is. I had thought this was a 'DCS' thing until I saw a real hornet pilot land - he was doing exactly the same throttle oscillations! 5. Don't forget your plane comes with an ICLS system. Make sure to tune into it and use it - even for case 1. It will teach you precisely where you need to be. 6. I initially found getting on AOA tricky - my velocity vector would just shoot up the screen when the flaps are deployed. Your F18 wants to be at around 130-140kts when you start trimming for AOA. I tend to use the speedbrake (if too fast) and I will force the nose onto the horizon with pitch authority. Once at 140 kts, you can release your pitch controls and trim the aircraft - after that you never need to touch your pitch control again! 7. As Froogle showed, do not touch your pitch once on AOA, if you do, you will mess up the aircraft's balance. This is really hard to learn to do as instinctively, you'll want to play with the pitch. Use your throttle instead, more power for up, less for down. 8. Finally, never flare the aircraft (I had this in muscle memory and it's quite hard to undo), and always assume a bolter - ie once on the deck, nail your throttle. A non-bolter should come as a pleasant surprise :)
I'm at the "velocity vector would just shoot up the screen when the flaps are deployed" part of my learning :) This comment is super helpful, so thank you! I'm pretty sure I've been still going way too fast (trying to get ahead of myself and reduce cognitive load by deploying flaps and gear too early, I guess)
Really happy to see a tutorial video! I learned a lot from your Ka-50 video back in the day. Hope you will continue posting them from time to time
Agree!
Same here 🙃
Good video! I need a ton of practice, but watching you walk through it makes me feel like maybe I can get the hang of it :)
Lex's video was very helpful, but I've found your "gamer's take" extremely helpful. I've been practising too, but I think this video of your's has taught me some things that I didn't realize I needed to know and that's going to help out a great deal. Probably will refresh on this video before each practice session as well. Thank you for this.
Thank you very much!! I did not get any notice on this one, so I just found it now :-( I haven't crashed a F18 landing in a long time (including traps), but they are not always pretty, so this is precisely what I have missed. Many training hours ahead….
Where do you bind your speed brake? Throttle or Stick?
Froogle, I've been watching your vids for a long time. And yes, Lex Talionis' (Horner driver, BTW) videos are fascinating. But I must say, your video goes into the basics that a newbie may not understand. Like where 30deg bank marker is, as an example. Anyway, kudos, it's another great video! And if you haven't check out CW Lemoine's video where he and Gonky fly the FA18.
Thank you froogle for your point of view on this fundamentals 👍
Something I learned way back when I learned to fly IRL, is power/throttle controls rate of decent/climb and pitch controlled speed. And they are symbiotic. You can't change one without changing the other. It's something I think about when landing every time. I'm a bit high or descending too much adjust with power, pitch/trim to maintain speed.
It's very tempting after 1 minute to think, "Right that's it, I'm off to watch Lex's video :D
Although I watched Froogle's video first obviously. Just the way that Pete phrased it gave me the urge to click...
Does the same applies to any fighters? For example F-15 or F-16? And will simply triming and throttles affect the airspeed.
Frooglesim on speed... I expected a different kind of video but this was still good 👍
Barista Volante lmao!!! 👍🏻🇬🇧
Thank you very much! In the last days I tried so much landing on the carrier and never got it right... Not knowing why. I think your video gave me the last bit of info I needed to understand! Looking forward to trie it!
... Is it possible that you want to do also a video on air to air refueling in the Hornet? :-)
GREAT video mate
Very interesting video, thanks Froogle!
The free mod A-4E is fun for carrier landings too - pretty forgiving - don’t have the F18
Thanks for the tip! Don't have DCS installed yet, is A-4E one of the default aircraft?
17ll3 x214 Thanks for clarification ;)
And what do you control on stabilized approach with a sidestick in Airbus (assuming autothrotle is on)? Pitch or power? Or both?
Sweet video! Really enjoyed :) thanks for the info and help!
I am an accomplished private pilot (instrument) who dreamed of being a naval aviator but wouldn't have lasted a day in real FA-18 training. This video is excellent and, as Froogle suggests, outlines a key skill that would benefit anyone at any level of aviation training, from Cessna 152 to F-117.
Brilliant. Thank you for clarifying something big for a newb like me lol
One of the best episodes! ;)
here is my method: use throttle to put E bracket where you want to land first. Thatwould make the energy work out roughly. then use the trim to adust TVI to center of E bracket. That would slightly move the E bracket(because movement of the plane), use throttle to readjust/refine where E bracket is - use stick to maintain correct AOA untill land. This is a faster method if you need to land in a hurry
For those interested in learning more. This is called the "region of reverse command".
Lovely Lex!
Nicely done sir!
I don't have this module but yeah great to see you Froogle with this in-depth kind videos.
By the way with your Ka50 videos I manage to fly it with keyboard very well 🙂
Saab made it easy in their Viggen with the AFK system. I am surprised it is not used on carrier aircraft.
heh... automatic fart control...
747 views. How Fitting for this channel :) Awesome vid. Thanks a bunch!
Please do this to MPDG 737 ,🙌
Try and do that on a cloudy,bumpy,windy day and you’ll understand why Navy pilots are the best.
is Froogle British or American?
Oh, I thought this was “ The frooglesim Report!”😢
Froogle, ya slowed down time in the sim.
With respect Froogle, you are now trying to fly a jet like a Cessna. Pilots will get grief if they follow this, for taking too long in the pattern. The principles are there, but the order is out. From initial or marshal, drop to 350kts and 1000ft agl. Drop the hook. The Break is done to drop the speed. You pull and maintain a 4G turn in the break slowing to 250kts on the downwind, descending to 800ft agl Drop gear and flaps and then trim for AoA. When on speed and angle, at 45deg from threshold, begin a 30deg left bank onto final. Power will be required to maintain AOA. By the numbers, you’ll have about 7-10seconds, in the groove - follow the ball and hit that 3 wire. The traffic pattern is an oval, there isn’t really a crosswind or base.
Yes I agree that's how the US Navy pilots do it - after three long years of training. What Froogle has done is compress that training into a long, safe environment so that we can get a feel for the jet in this attitude and speed AND holding it.
I personally will try it over the field in about three long circuits and see how I go. Once I can safely get the jet where I want it and turn it 180 degrees - THEN I will go to the carrier. Thanks Froogle.
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