10 people killed in 1971 “Ballymurphy massacre” by British troops were “entirely innocent”- BBC News
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- Fifty years after they died, a coroner has ruled that 10 people who were killed in Belfast in 1971 - in an operation by British soldiers from the Parachute Regiment - had been “entirely innocent”. A catholic priest who was helping the wounded and a mother of eight children were among those killed.
An operation by the British army to detain paramilitary suspects without trial led to three days of violence in Belfast’s Ballymurphy area. The soldiers said they believed they had come under fire from gunmen.
The families of those who were killed finally won their long fight to clear the names of their relatives as the coroner criticised the army for using disproportionate force and the killings had been “without justification”.
Sophie Raworth presents BBC News at Ten reporting by Ireland Correspondent Emma Vardy.
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No amount of years would be long enough for what the para troopers did that day so they await for enternity in hell amen
Love the whataboutery in the comments. Is it really that hard to acknowledge the Brits did something wrong? Can't wait to see what events can be dredged up about Afghanistan and Iraq.
Well said!
Why are you reporting this in England? Do you honestly think we would abandon our own troops?!?
Then why are you watching it and even better why are you even leaving a comment do one you pathetic low life
Yes
@@markdowney4837 prick!!
@Loki &Loki They were shooting back make no mistake idiot. Civilians shooting at you will still kill you uniform or not. ALL THE IRA ARE INNOCENT!! LIKE FUCK!
Iyou may call people a prick but I must say your all pricks together
same as what's going in in Palestine today
@Yourda 473i you clearly have no idea of the history how did the protestants came to ireland in the first place 800 years ago 😂😂
@Rusty Shackleford good knowledge
And all the innocents killed in England by the IEA? The bombs in a pub, Omagh, the boy musicians in Deal, the horses and soldiers in Hyde Park. A few more than 10.
If you want to count numbers, over 750 years your soldiers have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Irish people in their own country. I know you don't care because they weren't British. Ignorance is bliss.
@@barokfin grow up lol
@@barokfin so you fought back in what you called a war and when you lot got killed you scream it’s murder.
Can’t have it both ways, no one in this mess comes out clean, quicker the line is truly drawn under all this then maybe just maybe the people of Ireland can finally move on.
Personally I won’t hold my breath because there is still far too many that to keep fighting.
all the following deaths can be linked back to this event
@@somthingbrutal and your point is.
love Irish people. Most of them know how it feels to be oppressed its why a lot of them support the Palestinians.
Most of the Irish people couldn’t even spell Palestine never mind find it on a map
And who's going to prison for that?
no one.. only picking up medals.. same as UK senior cop who voluntarily handed jews over to german authorities during the holocaust was given a knighthood.. and many more murders of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan since then..
Cry me a River!
@@unionjackjackson4352 I imagine the families of those killed could do so readily.
@@als_pals both sides maybe? IRA killed More than the British army did, don't see these people speaking up for those victims is my point.
@@unionjackjackson4352 oh yea, those in the IRA who planned or perpetrated any attacks also deserve to be in jail
I suppose the ten people killed were just walking down the street minding their own business and gunned down by the army for no reason at all?
Yeah I'm sure they weren't actually going to throw the petrol bombs. Just show them to the soldiers.
Francis Quinn, shot while going to the aid of a wounded man.
Father Hugh Mullan, a Catholic priest, shot while going to the aid of a wounded man, reputedly while waving a white cloth to indicate his intentions.
Joan Connolly, shot by three soldiers, she might have survived had she been given medical attention sooner, but she lay injured in a field for several hours.
Daniel Teggart was shot fourteen times. Most of the bullets entered his back, as he lay injured on the ground.
Noel Phillips, shot as he stood opposite the army base.
Joseph Murphy, shot as he stood opposite an army base. He was subsequently taken into army custody, and after his release, as he was dying in hospital, he was beaten and shot again. When he body was exhumed in October 2015, a second bullet was discovered in his body.
Edward Doherty, shot whilst walking across Whiterock Road.
John Laverty and Joseph Corr were shot at separate points at the top of Whiterock Road. Laverty was shot twice, once in the back and once in the back of the leg. Corr was shot several times and died of his injuries.
John McKerr, shot while standing outside a Catholic Church.
Paddy McCarthy was shot during a confrontation with a group of soldiers.
@Loki &Loki And what would you do? Load up your social media and start furiously typing? 🤦♂️😂
@Loki &Loki Don’t think you have any right to give him shit over “spouting off” mate. You’ve replied to nearly all the comments on this post 🤣
@@homeskillet9802 What petrol bombs, when the priest was waving a white cloth while giving last rites to a dying man, did he have a petrol bomb on his head ? Read the report, you'll see how innocent they were.
will we see the same photos of those murdered by the IRA ,this witch hunt must end
You forgot to mention Uff UDR, B - Specials, UDA , RUC, MI5 , SAS, English Army Etc. just to get a bit of balance i mentioned most of the others involved who were not investigated in the murders they committed.
@@MrStoneyburke yes and the criminal gangs this one side witch hunt must end it now and everyone can move on
Whataboutery at its finest right there
Weren’t the IRA responsible for using disproportionate force?
I mean they blew up cars, kidnapped and murdered people in Northern Ireland which gained the name of the 'disappeared'. Murdered a couple thousand civilians and about 200 of 'em were given immunity from prosecution
@@holdencross5904 It's called guerrilla warfare, only option they had.
@@mactoirdhealbhaigh4873 So it was a war then. I mean it sure did look like a peaceful protest, eh. Perhaps had they let the soldiers take out the terrorist rather than protecting them, they'd still be alive today.
@Loki &Loki Yes
@@mactoirdhealbhaigh4873 That makes murder of unarmed non catholics okay does it? Also the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in England, Thats okay too because its the only option they had? They operated like a bloated mafia killing their own people even. They murdered women and children.
It took 50 years and conveniently the news breaks on the anniversary? Yeah okay.
GOD I love the BBC 😂.
They’ll probably report the Rochdale rape gang groups in about in another 50 years from now.
The soldiers involved have been confirmed by the coroner to be guilty of a war crime and the governments response is to say the people responsible should have immunity... disgusting.
It wouldn’t have happened if the ira weren’t terrorists
@@microwave4928 but these were innocent civilians?
@@als_pals
Who wouldn’t have died if the ira weren’t throwing rocks and petrol bombs
@bean machine I'm with you there. I feel awful for the families and the people who died but to be in that position is far beyond what anyone commenting can process or comprehend because they've never been there and never will be. You look up and your brain is wired for danger, you're not seeing anything clearly and you can misconstrue things so easily. It happens every day across the world. To send these people to jail (unless they can prove there was intent to kill innocents - like talking about it or laughing) then it makes little sense to send a 60 year old man to jail for something they did in a split second of could-be life or death scenario for them. There most definitely are British military who deliberately hurt civilians during that conflict and are deserving of punishment but I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is the case here.
When you start prosecuting these people for doing what they're trained to do you set a precedent that will deteriorate the moral and effectiveness of people who could be working in the same scenario today. For example a police officer who accidentally kills someone (while following their exact training) being sentenced for murder sets a precedent for future cases where an officer being afraid of dealing with the situation may allow a dangerous criminal to have extra moments of freedom in which they can hurt civilians or the police officers. That thought of going to jail for murder will be in the backs of every officer's mind and they might end up going hands-off and allowing innocents to die because of it. Unless you can prove malicious intent in a situation like this there isn't really much you can do, as rubbish as that is for those involved, that doesn't create a worse situation for others living today.
Live with the consequences, remember and learn from these mistakes and pursue peace there above all, that's the most important thing anyone can do about this right now that won't have let them die in vain and will create a better tomorrow.
@@als_pals ....Civilians they may have been but the question has to be asked, “why were they in a position of danger, in effect a war zone .” They may not have been armed, others around them may have been, why did they not simply move away, why were they involved. We’re they frightened by others that unless they attended they may have been threatened and possibly injured by the IRA?
So many questions, very few truthful, factual answers.
Why were the Protestants and Catholics in conflict, can someone explain why there was a (un)civil war taking place in that lovely country?
Perhaps the coroner would like to walk in a war zone with soldiers and feel the fear, and politicians stand with the police in the midst of a riot and then define the use of unnecessary force?
So many questions that require answers, not emotional responses.
bbc making news in 1971
Y r bbc trying to escalate tensions
@Loki &Loki tensions r rising in Ireland if u havent noticed and it's now the bbc chose to report this because they no people will read it and get rattled by it that's how they are escalating tensions
@Loki &Loki so bbc have been escalating tensions in selling the fact that the border is on the verge of war and it isnt
And r still reporting this on top of the news we are getting that shit is kicking off over there
@Loki &Loki yeah I'm saying I'm not from Ireland u dick all I've heard is how bad it is I was actually excepting you're word as fact all I was saying is that the media is/was acting like its israel and it was quoted not a week ago on the bbc that "tensions are rising on the border" then they decide to put this on seems to me like they were just trying to aggravate the situation
they're reporting the news
"It sparked violent clashes" *Is footage of soldier firing into what appears to be weaponless and non-threatening civilians and im not sure its a violent clash if one side isnt doing any violence...
Boo hoo
The IRA Terrorised the nation for 30 years
@@bingbong1180 England invaded ireland in 1611 so 410 years of england terrorising them might beat that
@Loki &Loki There is still a distinction between armed forces shooting innocent civilians at a protest and people targeting civilians that had nothing to do with the conflict and tensions whatsoever.
One is bad and people should have been held accountable, the other is pure terrorism
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Tim Parry
@tuco the rat pigeon pie
Took them 50 years to find this out.
No, took 50 years to get a woke coroner
@Loki &Loki thee Catholic Church where up to their eyes in it, when they weren’t abusing your kids
@Sandra Harvey it certainly is wonderful. Attend a riot , you get what you get.
@Loki &Loki a republican quoting inbreeding? Which parish priest was your father? Lol
@Loki &Loki celebrations not riots.
BBC stirring the pot......
It's the news
As per usual .
Well if you draw a line under everything for the Good Friday Agreement then that means a line under everyone.
The British government is trying to unwind the Good Friday Agreement after Brexit, so there's that
@@xtrailz 😂😂 fine then put a hard border across Ireland.
I honestly don’t know one person in Ireland that likes the GFA it’s a clusterfcuk.
@@jamesperrie1393 nooo need to already one down the Irish sea
@@jamesperrie1393 There's 5 million in the south and almost 2 million in the north.
How many did you ask?
@@xtrailz how many did you???
What about Kingsmill, Omagh, shankill bombing, Enniskillen, La,Mon Hotel
To name but a few, when will the Relatives of the lost get answers from the Republican carnage, or do they not Matter now.
They all got a get out of jail free letter from the British government
@@philipharris7594 aye I see wee willie is trolling from hell
If you are putting terrorist atrocities in the same category as British Army atrocities, then you must think that the British Army are terrorists, or were in the context of Northern Ireland.
@@tyronewynn982 true though isn't it, even if you don't like it.
@@roisinmalone3015 well many through the world do regard that army as a terrorist organisation
Well that clears that up..
front line combat troops in those days were trained to advance, take ground, and kill. The guilty are those that put them there.
No solider wants to kill another human, soldiers are just an extension of anothers will.
@Loki &Loki 100% never said that. My empathy is with their familys.
The guilty are those soldiers who shot dead in cold blood innocent unarmed civilians, disregarding any and all yellow card/combat/geneva convention rules, those commanding them and those who covered up for them are just as guilty.
Well said it is the MP's, Class system and officers who should apologise to soldiers.
@Loki &Loki IRA never took one soldier or policeman prisoner what do you call them ?
More innocent civilians that thought the best place to be in a fire fight was in the middle? Give me a break
@Loki &Loki you missed the bit we’re even the coroner agreed that can’t even under fire then?
ALL the video we see are of British soldiers shooting!! Interesting that we NEVER see photos of the other side shooting back??? That wouldn't suit the cause though would it???
What cause ? we're commenting on the british army, one of the so called branches of law and order in the country, murdering innocent civilians in cold blood, their families having to fight for 50yrs to get justice for them Shameful
I love how the lack of evidence that the Brits were shot at is somehow evidence to you.
@@AlwaysAC if I'd been there I would have shot everything that moved!! It's a well documented fact that women AND children carried weapons for the terrorists. One level below isis, at least Isis wear a uniform and fight like men. They also use women and kids.
@@MrMroebuck If you were there you'd have shat your pants, wee serf fanny.
And scores tortured, murdered and 'disappeared' by the IRA. Ask them about 'disproportionate' force.
Far more suffered the same fate from the Loyalists and British Army. I know one well who, as part of his torture was hung by rope tied to his leg, from a helicopter. A soldier slowly cut through the rope to force a 'confession'.
@@PanglossDr And the IRA blew kids up in a town completely unrelated to the troubles just ebcause it was the first town outside of Liverpool that didnt have many Irish/Catholics in it
I wonder, will Generals Ford and Jackson be re-interviewed about what happened under their commands?
It's sucky af, idiotic water carriers for Terrorist organisations, sounds like corbinistas to me, wish they'd piss off to Venezuela or s.ireland
which massacre of civilians did they do, while not in a war?
@@johng.1703 how much time you got this morning?......
@@johng.1703 Ever heard of the Geneva Convention?
@@ulicadluga yes I have, and there have been several of them.
I See.... Some British troops need some jail time .
no.. they were only idiots at the bottom of the pile.. it is the Monarchy and the shit at the top who need to be replaced..
@@frankzappaspussy7362 shut up!
@Chris L they weren't given an illegal order, they were fired upon by terrorists, they fired back.
@@unionjackjackson4352 they weren't though, none where IRA, one was a priest giving last rights to another person that was shot, but none of them were terrorists. don't be blindly partisan
@@switch3459 didn't say they were! Said they knew the IRA were about which meant a firefight was guaranteed but they still remained in the street in the line of fire.
The IRA opened fire in the soldiers the soldiers fired back, good chance some of those victims were killed by IRA bullets.
One of Britain’s many shames in Ireland, Britain out of Ireland now!🇮🇪
The IRA always said it was a war, the British response was to react like it was. All sides did terrible things.
The time for hate should be put aside by all and move on, bury the hate than bodies
Don't forget the immunity that was given to more than 200 IRA terrorists by Blair. So why shouldn't these soldiers get immunity?
@Loki &Loki there are still plenty that were given immunity. Which also shows you completely ignored the information in my comment. I’m not talking about those that have been prosecuted but those that were allowed to go free.
@Admiral Aladeen We should have left a hell of a long time ago in my opinion. I wouldn't piss on Scotland or Ireland if they were on fire!!!
@Loki &Loki Money is just printed paper or some computer code. Costs nothing. Life is the most valuable asset we have. Until we treat life as sacred, we will be misled by old grey haired men into geeing up the young to murder people for us. We pin medals call it glory but anyone serving the British armed forces is basically a hired thug. We have a few clever ones to work out the technical details but the squaddie can have an IQ of 80, barely read and write and be 'professional'. The only job in the world in which a few weeks basic training makes you a 'professional'.
@@holdencross5904 Every single killing carried out by Republicans was investigated and hundreds did literally thousands of yrs jail-time.
When the so-called British army butchered entirely innocent, unarmed men, women & kids they got medals and a pension.
The victims families got lies & whitewashes like the Widgery Report.
That's the difference.
Murder of innocent people including an unarmed priest and there's people defending it. A cowardly act that any decent person would condemn. I hope the families get at a bare minimum, a proper apology and compensation (small recompense, I know).
Shouldnt throw rocks and petrol bombs.
The British government shouldn't have allowed these people to be denied basic human rights by their little orange puppet government for 50 years. Maybe then, they wouldn't have been angry and set the IRA back up.
They didnt. A priest waving a white baby grow was shot dead. Its just what colonisers do.
@@casteretpollux Northern Ireland is British so how does that make them colonisers?
@@inthebleakmidwinter9338 Remember that time when half the countries in the atlas were red "because they were British colonies"? That was because they were British colonies. Now there's only the North of Ireland and the Falkand Islands left. Its time to move on, respect people's sovereignty, and stand on your own two feet.
@@casteretpollux they did. Same with Bloody Sunday - they were throwing rocks and petrol bombs at armed soldiers - what did they expect to happen?
There just after COMPENSATION 🤬
And rightly so! they were innocent after all
Your ignorance beggars belief. Do you have no compassion.
And Martin McGuinness only served 6 months in prison.......
6 months longer than any British soldier then
@@connorreilly9253 I’m sure the families of 508 civilians killed by the IRA can sleep easy knowing that they got 6 measly months and amnesty after the good Friday agreement.
@@anonomous8719 you seen my comment? How much time has a British soldier spent in jail.
@@connorreilly9253 Lee clegg - served 2 years
Ian Thain - 3 years
James Fisher - 3 years
Mark Wright - 3 years
All longer than IRA terrorists
@@anonomous8719 gerry conlon served longer than that and he was innocent lol
the amazing thing is lots of people can’t seem to grasp that those 10 were entirely innocent.....now Im not sure if they just choose to ignore that fact or don't care but either way its very odd that people would do either. I wonder how they would feel if it was one of their relatives?
When you are dealing with moronic knuckle draggers you are wasting your time....these people wouldn't accept Black isn't White.....
My relatives wouldn't get involved with the IRA
They would probably feel the same as all of the warrington people did after the bombing
This is the problem in most parts of the world. Denial!
@@malvinrenshaw3616
The Warrington bombing was done by terrorists.
If you are lumping British Army atrocities in with terrorist atrocities then you are saying that the British Army are terrorists, or were in the context of the Troubles.
Why bring this up now it's like they want chaos?
Give your head a shake. They’ve been fighting for justice for 50 years
@@kevobrien4329 time for people to move on.
We all have problems should all the patients families that died from corona also protest
Ireland must be united..
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams.
And how many totally innocent people were murdered by those self-same 'innocents'.
wat?
Do you honestly believe all Irish people are ira members?
The mother of 8 and the priest?
MUSLIMS4UNITEDIRELAND!
@Astolfo Desu the uda are pussies?
"Ballymurphy Inquest Kangaroo Court 4 "watch on RUclips
don't send crack troops to do the polices job there was atrocitys on both sides I'm glad there is relative peace now r.i.p the thousands that died on both sides
It started with peaceful civil rights protestors . Protestors were beaten up and shot.
At least one balanced view point about this whole dreadful time that thankfully is in the past.
All Irish are always innocent, Birmingham 6 yeah right
So terrorists and the British Army are both terrorists then by your logic if you are comparing like with like.
You are literally saying that the British Army are no better than terrorists
Hehe
Good to know
Whats wrong, just suddenly realising that British justice isn't what its supposed to be, that the army has committed atrocities and not just in the north of Ireland, don't forget we've had 800 years of Brits looking down their noses at us, not the first time they committed an atrocity in Ireland.
This is ridiculous, the army where being attacked they where under fire. the soldiers were in a warzone and they arent allowed to return fire. it's sad people died but stand there with terrorists to fight in a war then expect to get killed they are casualties of war maybe we should start charging people for every life taken in every war that has ever been.
Odd so was the IRA pub bombing victims.
It’s easy to look back and say these troops acted inappropriately. It’s another thing for these soldiers to have been there in the midst of what was going on there at the time. Soldiers were brutally killed by people over there and I’m sure their reactions weren’t always the correct ones or always entirely appropriate. That’s how things are in battle and I’m not excusing their behaviour if they did wrong, but you have to have a little understanding around it.
dont come taking peoples homelands then?
@Loki &Loki again I’m not excusing anything as it’s been found that these people killed shouldn’t have been. However, in the case of groups like the IRA and ISIS there isn’t a clear definition between “civilians” and “soldiers”. Not wearing a military uniform doesn’t give you an excuse to engage in combat with a free pass. For example you can watch video of a group of “civilians” dragging two off duty soldiers from their car, beat them and go on to execute them. Again, if you put yourself in the mindset of these soldiers it may help explain this kind of incident, not knowing who the enemy is when they are dressed like civilians, but I’ll reiterate that doesn’t excuse their apparent wrong doing in this particular case.
@Loki &Loki well yeah I did say I didn’t excuse what they did here, so in terms of one of us only seeing things from a one sided point of view and perspective here I’d suggest respectfully it was yourself. And to be honest I wouldn’t claim to have an in-depth knowledge of the workings of the IRA but I do have military experience and have first hand knowledge of being in hostile territory where you have nothing to differentiate between a “civilian” and someone about to shoot you in the back of the head, and the kind of stress and anxieties that can bring serving. And you certainly don’t need just a rusty old rifle to become a threat and arm yourself, there are plenty of improvised weapons, explosives etc you can easily arm yourself with. As I said previously there will be wrong on both as there is in any conflict.
Nah, that doesn't work
Why did the British Army and British State not investigate what happened?
Why did they accuse innocent people murdered by the British Army of being terrorists?
@@Optics2024 The difference between a civilian and the shooter is the shooter has a weapon, why that has to be explained to someone with military experience I don't know. The priest waving a white cloth while administering the last rites to a dying man what type of terrorist do you think he appeared as to the soldier who shot him dead, the young man who ran to them to help got a bullet to the back of his head killing him, they weren't under fire, no-one was shooting at them, the mother of eight/grandmother out trying to get her children home left to bleed to death for 6 hours in a field after being checked by army. Just disgusting behaviour
So, how the fuck does a coroner come to this conclusion 50 years later? She's a coroner. Not a time traveller. How does she know they weren't armed?
Only half a century late
I have a few questions, the army went to get the ira who killed people who were also innocent by blowing things up from a distance, are those families not bothered about what the ira did? A woman said the British army were full of anger and were cowards when they did it, but did they not go there face to face to get the people who’d killed people by surprise from around the corner or further? Why would they not let the army take the people who kill ordinary members of the public who have no say in any process to change instead of fighting to keep them from justice?
Just seems very ironic and one sided, like “I don’t mind my friend doing this to someone but if someone’s does that to my friend then I won’t be happy” just doesn’t make sense to me
That was 50 years ago, look towards the future not the past.
It would have been prosecuted back then without an institutional cover-up. Their loved ones deserve justice and closure.
If it was your father or brother I don't think you would be so willing to forgive or forget
@@annemitchell6144 Lots of soldiers murdered also, if IRA supporters get money soldiers families should also.
@Loki &Loki Look up Para/SAS Rebel and see the photos, discharge book etc Even gave statement at the Inquest. Look up Nigel Mumford BBC.
cool, whatever. happened 50 years ago, no one does and should give a shit now.
that's the problem
well you obv don't, but then no-one gives a shit what you think.
@@mallon201 you give a shit enough to reply tho ya bum. Keep crying about events that happened 50 years ago you utter tard.
What Israel is doing now to the Palestinians.
Afraid not, what do you think happens when you lob rockets at someone?
My name us now......
Justice is served let’s hope innocent can rest in peace at last in all these years.
Yeah just revoke the 200 immunity orders given to IRA terrorists and prosecute them for terrorism and I'll be happy seeing as there are still families that haven't seen justice for the death of their family and friends at the hands of the IRA.
Yes the soldiers should have been held accountable for shooting unarmed civilian protestors, so should the IRA who were using those civilians as human shields when firing shots at the soldiers. The soldiers are guilty, they also didn't shoot first.
The soldiers defended themselves rightfully?
Oh how evil, off with their heads
Defended themselves ? wtf are you talking about ? they shot dead in cold blood innocent unarmed people, a priest giving the last rites to a dying man, a mother of 8 out looking for her children to take them home. It won't be off with their heads, they've been protected for 50 years, they'll never spend a day in jail, thats british justice for you, as long as you're not an Irish catholic or black you'll be ok.
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I have several friends who are in the British army they all told me that the paras and sas were giving a hammering in North of ireland
@@johnorourke9767 were 'given' or 'giving', ? there's a big difference in the two words.
1500 were killed two years ago in Iran. And many more before.
Stir it up
Little darling stir it up......
Don't you think people murdered by the British Army and their memory sullied with lies deserve to have their names cleared?
@@roisinmalone3015 as much as the victims of the IRAs coward bombing campaign.
@@roisinmalone3015 I do indeed my friend I'm just saying the media and the timing of things are not coincidence
Innocent victims ?? I doubt it very much.
Wait till you find out what they did in Asia, Africa, Americas
Who's "they"?
@Loki &Loki I wasn't asking you.
@Loki &Loki Too bad slavery was part of every civilization and Britain was one of the first to not only abolish it but suppress it throughout the entire world. You gonna get mad at the Romans for using slavery?
It’s so sad, unfortunately it’s one group of working class lads, shooting another. Who gave the orders? I suspect they are dead now.
Bless the innocent angelic IR'A' and the brave faceless heroes of Omagh.
@Loki &Loki So a good reason to put all IRA members into prison for being the terrorists they are then?
@Loki &Loki what crap
@@philipeaton3102 are you truly to claim thousands of Catholics weren’t interned without trial?
Despite the fact being well known.
Not only that a vast majority of them were innocent!
@Loki &Loki All of it.
They were guilty then and and are today, blame the IRA for using human shields
Poor family members waiting so long for justice X
What justice. The killers have been given anonymity. They got off.
And the family's are IRA
@@ProfileP246 Said with pure malice and no proof as usual, just too difficult for brits to acknowledge the cold blooded murder of innocent people by their soldiers, needs to be heard by all brits, same soldiers went on to Derry within months of Ballymurphy massacre and murdered 14 innocent unarmed civilians, on return to Belfast same soldiers murdered another 5 unarmed innocent people - 3 of them children. Must just make you so proud of them, many other soldiers from different regiments in british army have referred to the disgrace of these so called soldiers. The rest of the world recognises these murderous cowards, the brits just protect them and try to sweep all under the carpet
Only waiting for money.
@@truthmediarebel5816 Not one penny, waiting for justice, though hoping for british justice will be wishful thinking as there is no such thing. Your comment says more about you than them
It took 50 years for the truth to be made so public. If the BBC had been reporting honestly and impartially 50 years ago, many other lives could have been saved., including the 14 murdered by this same regiment 5 months later on Bloody Sunday. Numerous other unarmed civilians were gunned down by the British army during the troubles. The fact that it has taken so long for the truth to be told speaks volumes about the way the BBC reported on the situation t the time when honest reporting could have made a great difference...
After so many years they will just apologize and push it under the carpet.
This is nonsense, how about the soldiers that got dragged out from the car and killed by about 100 republicans,where’s the witch hunt for those clowns?
If you are interested in this subject, may I recommend an EXCELLENT book: SAY NOTHING by Patrick Radden Keefe. A true story of murder and memory in Northern Ireland. It is well-written AND well-researched book.
What's your feeling in general over this being re-dug up now?
@@greatbriton8425 Please be specific about what "this" is ...
@@julierogers1155 The subject title of the video - they're going after soldiers 20 years late it seems to me, whereas perhaps it should have been the commanders and at the time? but I know nothing about this I grew up in South Africa so it just seems odd to me.
@@greatbriton8425 I as well, grew up elsewhere, in the U.S. I am trying to get up to speed on the subject matter and educate myself. From what I understand right now, it is that the people that were murdered have had their NAMES CLEARED of any "wrong doing" or crimes. The relatives of these people have worked hard to reach this conclusion. From what I can tell, NO military persons OR politicians are being investigated (definitely not charged) for these murders.
@@julierogers1155 Thank you for that. I can't speak for this case but my interest stems not only from this subject itself but also having heard about some soldiers being tried for other cases, also 20 years old, in which they were following orders. It feels like an agenda to me - but all credit to the innocent people too, i can see the need for that.
When are the victims of terrorists getting their justice ?
Tories have forgotten that Thatcher wasn't just a terrorist sympathiser, but close friends with one
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/tories-have-forgotten-that-thatcher-wasnt-just-a-terrorist-sympathiser-but-close-friends-with-one-10507850.html
I will not apologize for what I said, but re-read it I said terrorists. I do not belong or support any organisation that causes harm to innocent to innocent people, when are the voices of all victims getting justice, I think you should look closer to your own heart. And ask what about all victims, before judging me.
Did I say I was a loyalist, check.
They just did. Paras were terrorists
I, as a Chinese American, fully support Irish independent movement
You, as a Chinese American (whatever that is) would be better off learning about the injustices committed on a day to day basis in the two countries you claim to belong to. Leave Europe to us, we'll sort it out.
Go fcuk yourself
@@philipduthie6444 we got a feisty bagpiper.
A "Chinese American"? What's wrong with just being "American"?
@Loki &Loki make Ireland totally independent. Let em fight amongst themselves. I really couldn't give a shit. More trouble than it's ever been worth!!!!!
the real cowards were the ones fighting guerrilla warfare against the British soldiers what led them to be paranoid
It annoys me when the British say "oh what about the IRA victims" the IRA and British army shouldn't even be compared, the IRA is not the equivalent of the British Army, the UVF is the equivalent of the IRA. Catholics had the army, UVF and the police fighting against them. The IRA and UVF were terror groups whereas the British army were state sponsored killers who were supposed to be neutral and support peace. Also many IRA members did serve time in prison so that is another reason why they aren't the same as the army.
Not to excuse the actions of individual soldiers in what happened but, it's foolish in the extreme to send a hyper aggressive unit such as the Paras, to carry out civilian ops such as these these.; when restraint is the preferred temperament that is needed.
Hence why the judgements come out now when those that gave the orders are dead and can't face justice.
If you dig into the most contentious shootings by the army during the NI troubles there is one common denominator that comes up time and again. The parachute regiment. Thugs in uniform totally unsuited for internal security operations requiring minimal force.
What do you know? Have you ever served? Enjoying your freedom are you?
You’re obviously a civi huh ?
Paras are the best of the best
Everyone that chooses to serve is deserving of respect
You however , are not
Maggot
Best of the best,shooting innocent civilians,get a grip
@@microwave4928 They are nothing but murdering scum borstal boys 🤬
@@whattheheck450 that presumes you agree they were innocent
MUSLIMS WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT IRELAND DID FOR US!!
What did Ireland do? Im sorry I'm a bit stupid.
Thank you for giving me rest God bless you I love you
10 people? I thought it was 11 people.
Oner person died of a heart attack while a soldier held a rifle to his face, they couldn't 'prove' that's what killed him.
@@OldSkoolWax hahahaha that's brilliant
usually you don't try your suspects before your detain them
Usually you dont drag hundreds of people out their beds overnight and drag them off to prison camps without a hearing.
I think you mean execute them before you detain them
This is 50 years ago.
Remember that.
The IRA murdered hundreds of innocent people.
Are we now to have trials of each member of that organisation ?
God bless ALL those killed during those dreadful times.
Of course remembering 2 young children blown up in Warrington in 1993.
It behoves everyone to forgive and move on - again.
So, I am sure those retired soliders and their families will keep enjoying the pandemic.
"Almost all where innocent" where did the coroner statement say that BBC.
Horrific stuff!!! At the same time as terrible as this is, there has to be immunity on all sides in order for NI society to move on
No society can move on until it knows the truth
These innocent people, murdered by the British Army, would have had their names and memory sullied forever re your solution.
The people in Northern Ireland want to know the truth of what happened to their loved ones
On both sides.
@@roisinmalone3015 There were innocent people murdered by the IRA, UVF and yes some by British soldiers also. That was the tragedy of the Troubles. The Good Friday Agreement (rightly so for it to work) provided amnesty for Loyalist and Republican terrorists. That same amnesty should be there for British security forces personnel. That doesn't mean we shouldn't investigate ALL crimes by ALL sides. We should and we must!
50 plus years and still no justice. And the paras did not stop here.
Entirely innocent, of course they are!
What does that mean
@@roisinmalone3015 I’m afraid that you’re going to have to work that out for yourself ;-)
Call Paras cowards what a short memory people have. 2 Para had to attack Argi positions in the Falklands who were in defensive positions and out numbered the paras 10 to 1. Tell me any other unit in the world who could achieve those victories? I was in the Henry Taggart hall on the day of Internment and I never saw any innocent civilians. You don't take your dog for a walk in the middle of a gun fight, the innocent civilians were in their homes. This has been MSM, families and IRA propaganda appeasing the IRA. The army and Loyalists are being shafted to force a United Ireland.
Well done, they defeated another much weaker enemy. 🙄
@@stevekildare4053 Obviously your not a para. Trying reading a bit more will help you.
WHAT ABOUT THE IRA? Where is the finger?
So you think the British Army are terrorists then
You are putting them in the same category as terrorists.
I expect representatives of the British State to act like representatives of the British State, not like murderers and terrorists and criminals.
I expect terrorists to act like terrorists.
Plus
There were loyalist terrorists also, not just the IRA, plus the RUC, B Specials colluded with loyalist terrorists.
Plus the Ballymurphy massacre and Bloody Sunday led to massive IRA recruitment. The Irish Catholics were being shot by the loyalists, the RUC and the British Army.
What do you expect.
@@roisinmalone3015 If the IRA hadn't kicked off, British Army wouldn't have gone it.
Obviously innocent people dying is terrible, but if you want to look for root cause, you know where it is :)
@@Hypersonik do some research fella, the army come in to protect the nationalist community from the ruc and unionist paramilitary
What finger ? Has the IRA got your finger ? You should be more careful, shouldn't leave your fingers lying about, didn't your mother ever tell you that. Comments like yours deserve what they get.
Your right, both terrorists organisation (British soldiers and IRA) should be held to account
The empire has a shameful record and now you are being held to account.
every nation has a shamefull past its called history
@@cameronmaden6268
Doesn't make what the British Empire did any better
It's just deflection and not taking responsibility for the harm done re the imperial past.
@Edward Colston
Our mess?
Hehe
How do you work that out?
@Edward Colston
And, I don't think it's your personal empire.
And being ‘held to account’, in your book, probably means letting your nation rot into a decadent hellhole - in order to punish yourself.
What about all the British killed by the IRA / Sinn Fein
Why were the British THERE?! .... in IRELAND!
Surely you can see that The people killed by the paratroopers in ballymurphy were British too. Killed by the British army, on British soil. Or are you sayin that Belfast isn't British.
@@utubeballbag it’s Irish, the British army were sent into Belfast and Derry to protect the catholic’s from sectarian violence not kill them
@@utubeballbag I consider it the "north of Ireland". Yes, I reject British rule on the island of Ireland. That is my personal persuasion. By the way, I'm American. I do not live in Ireland, have never even visited. However, I am in the middle of educating myself on the history, politics, and culture in advance of a planned trip to Ireland.
@@utubeballbag And, doesn't the British army killing "BRITISH" citizens only make it worse?
Of course they were innocent this is deeply insulting get lost beg for your own amnesty!
Give back the north
?
Give back the south
The North belongs to us
Why, so you can massacre them?
@Loki &Loki fear of what?
"Disproportionate" was the bombing of pubs, hotels, taking the law into own hands by shooting legs of suspected criminals.
When you invade a country they have a right to fight back any way possible, if Germany had of won would the brits have just given up and accept rule from Germany?
The coroner Mrs Justice Siobhan Keegan. I wonder how neutral she is. Same story with Stephen Herron, the Director of Public Prosecutions NI and Michael Agnew, the Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions NI (who qualified in Dublin). Meanwhile their inbox for IRA cases is suspiciously full of cobwebs...Its enough to make a person very suspicious. But this is just the rantings of some guy on RUclips.
Ho what a shame "Not" what about all those other victims in those troubled times. More folk were killed by the IRA.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm from Northern Ireland and this along with many deaths by terrorists
Can't edit my comment but tragic on all sides is what I was trying to state
@@stopmasshysteria5757 New IRA would never have happened if Catholics weren't treated like 2nd class citizens and still to this day have to put up with bullshit
@@user-mx4sm9cv7e says the CCP employee.
@Loki &Loki russian? Huh? Never mentioned the Russians lad.
50 years ago, what a waste of time
Waste of who's time, were you involved, do you feel your time was wasted; if the successive corrupt british governments hadn't denied the relatives a proper inquest and investigation at the time it wouldn't have taken 50 years, if ' General Sir Mike Jackson' press officer at the time for the army, hadn't compiled false stories at the time to cover up the murders by his colleagues, a lot of ifs, don't you think its disturbing that a lying army press officer can cover up the murders of innocent people and be supported by successive governments, that its disturbing that same army press officer can go on to become the head of the military in the UK. So you can be as corrupt as him and still get to the top, become a general, get knighted by the queen, British Justice, wouldn't wipe my arse with it.
Massive kudos to Nigel Mumford, Para.ret, SAS.ret, who has sacrificed much and been a valuable source of information for the inquiries into Ballymurphy
❤
Can we just leave it alone stop bringing it up
This is great to see and sets the scene for many more to come. The conduct of many soldiers and regiments was unacceptably brutal towards innocent people, millions of us in fact.
Grow up and get over it
@@RackHasAttacked
Time for the British Army to face up to what it did.
@Yourda 473i
Millions through the centuries, yes
0:49 THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT IS MY GRANNY
Wow. Jeez that's rough
Everyone of em innocent....just passing through the area minding our own business
IKR never any man in the IRA I'm surprised they had more than one member ahahaha!
@@ProfileP246 IKR, not like loyalists or British army ever murdered anyone 😂😂😂
The Paras sang a song that was in the charts at the time to the Ballymurphy kids. "Where's your papa gone? we've killed your Father."
Hahaha comedy gold
@@ar568 Warrenpoint was no laughing matter for the Paras.
@aa216 I doubt it, most of the regiments disliked the Paras and probably objected to being called crap hats.
@@joehart7260 the paras are the best
@aa216 Lee Rigby is off his head m8
Isnt it funny how not one finger of blame goes towards the IRA who were shooting indiscriminately at the soldiers on that fateful day.
it was war
That's not why these people were killed
Read the news
There is no proof for that, the army were actually shooting at one another at one stage, the deaths were caused by the army, but thats not good enough for you.
@@mallon201
No proof of what?
@@roisinmalone3015 read the post Replied to, its clear what I was talking about