China Tools Episode 29, Dog hole clamps
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- China Tools Ep. 29, In-depth reviews of tools from China. In this episode this episode, two dog hole clamps.
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Here are the links from all the products I showed in this video:
Ganwei clamp
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Hongdui clamp
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Atomstack laser engraver
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Dog Hole stop
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My Personal Banggood favorites all time!
1. Hongdui Edge Trimmer
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2. Doweling Jig / Multi-row puncher
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3. Kerfmaker
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4. Drill guide cabinet jig
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5. T-ruler
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6. Precision square
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7. Miter square
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8. Miter square brass
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9. Height gauge
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The material used for my workbench and this platform is Black MDF:
Black MDF, something similar to Valchromat. I get it from here: (Netherlands)
www.af.nl/voor....
Black MDF.
Here is a list of viewer's suggestions where you can buy Black MDF or Valchromat or Forescolor.
USA
www.plywoodcom....
trinityinnovations.net
packardforestproducts.com
plywoodcompany.com
UK
www.idsurfaces....
www.atlanticti....
Germany
www.hornbach.d...
Belgie
www.houtshop.b....
Australia
timberwood.com...
NSW Australia, Laminex has the black MFD
A few products from this review were sent to me by Banggood for testing.
This does not mean that I do get all my products. I review also a lot of products I bought myself.
I started these reviews because from my experience not every tool from China was worth buying. So I wanted to make in-depth reviews to show you which products you should consider and which product you better leave alone. The fact that Banggood sent me products occasionally does not change the way I make my reviews. I still give in-depth reviews and give you my honest opinion!
On this, you can count on!
I have a good experience with Banggood.com and they have a lot of woodworking tools nicely organized on their site.
My name is Dennis and I am from Hooked on Wood.
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Products I use in my workshop
Table saw with dust system:
Harvey HW110GL Europe edition with sliding table
Harvey / Axminster trade S-12 overhead blade guard
Dust extraction: HBM 200
Oneida Super dust deputy 6”
Workbench:
Incra master-R-router lift
AEG 1400w router
Incra 25" SL positioner with Wonder Fence
Drill press: Jet JDP 15B
Miter saw: Festool Kapex 60
Different links to products I use
Clamps:
Axminster trade hold down clamps
Piher Rail guide clamps
Micro Jig dovetail clamps
Bessey parallel clamps
Axminster trade parallel clamps
Push blocks
Micro Jig Gripper
Incra Push block
Thank you for viewing.
Best regards,
Dennis
As always very well presented. This china tools series proceed brilliant, congratulations! I look forward to seeing the new workshop.
My toolkit has greatly expanded since finding your videos. Your recommendations have been so useful! Next step is to drill dog holes into my work bench and buy some of these!
I have been a follower of your channel for some time. I have noticed recently that your power tools have changed from Makita to Festool. I cannot remember a video when you explained why you changed platforms.
Great video as always good luck on reaching 100000 followers
The second clamp appears to be a re-design/copy of the Kreg 'In Line' clamp, which is around half the price. The Kreg clamp is made from GRP - glass reinforced plastic - the same sort of stuff they make Glock pistol frames from. I also note that Bang Good (or at least their suppliers) are being affected by the current power problems in China - I ordered 4 items on September 8th, all claimed to be ready for immediate shipping. So far only one item is listed as being at the warehouse, but at least they emailed me after 3 weeks to say they were waiting for stock. That's up there with Amazon.
Thanks for your information.
Hi, Dennis, Festool have same hold down clamps, MFT-HZ 80 and they also works great.
Saw them also. Thanks for your info.
I bought a pair of these and will be sending them back as they are poorly designed. Im surprised there was no mention that the clamp lever makes metal on metal contact and the anodized surface is scuffed off on first use.
I really love the China Tools Series. I have already ordered some of the reviewed products. Looking forward to the videos about the new workshop.
Wow - it's amazing how time seems to drag while waiting for another of your reviews, Dennis: thank you for another very interesting video. Best of all, it's arrived on my birthday - and it's definitely the present I've been looking forward to the most!
Congratulations
@@HookedonWood what is the miter saw inlay material made from? the black color material. Thanks
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I just received a pair of the 20mm "Ganwei" clamps, but the posts are oversized - I'm getting 20.09mm on my calipers. [my UJK dogs fit very snuggly and are 19.96mm]. The products I received look identical to those in the video, down to the packaging, but there is no brand name on my clamps, nor is there in the BG site listing, however the box says they are "Fonson". Also, these shipped from the US warehouse in CA, I'm curious if anyone else has had this issue.
you always find the most interesting things Dennis.
Hi, thanks for the video. Not sure if something has changed with the hold down clamps but when I purchased these from the link in the description I received clamps with a shaft just over 20mm. Unfortunately I can't use them in my MFT top. I purchased the 20mm ones assuming they would be for 20mm holes. Hopefully this hasn't happened to anyone else but it might be something for everyone to watch out for.
Do you have to pay other fees than VAT when purchasing from China after July 1st? I’m in Denmark and my China tool obsession era is over, because here the national post service sends you a +25$ bill with the choice of paying it to receive the order (even if the order was only fx 5$), or decline and lose the purchase.
Before July 1st we had a VAT and fee-free max limit of about 12$ but that limit is gone now.
I cannot recommend these clamps. My top is admittedly only MRMDF but the textured spigot on these clamps has reamed the **** out of my 20mm holes making several unusable 😢
I also found the clamping force from the cam style lock to be inadequate for anything but very light work.
At least I now have the excuse to make a new top from Valchromat 😊
Thought I'd chime in here with my experience ordering from Banggood US and the dog hole clamps reviewed in this video.
First of all, shipping was quoted as 1 month at the time of order. After payment was posted, suddenly shipping changes to 2 months. In the end it took 2 months. Super annoyed.
Second, the dog hole clamps do not fit my 20 mm dog holes. The clamps are too big and shred the holes if you try to force them in. I assumed they would work as I also used the Parf dog system and they are listed as 20 mm. No dice.
I also bought the Hongdui height gauge. Looks nice but you can tell it's cheap construction once you have it in hand. Slides far too easily and there's no resistance.
Overall I'm very disappointed with my purchases. I will never order from Banggood again. I'm disappointed that Dennis is promoting these products. I wouldn't trust any of these reviews again.
Dennis, I bought a couple of the lever action hold down clamps for my Armor tool (3/4 inch dog hole) work bench and couple for my festool mft, and I am very pleased. I also have the veritas long horizontal reach hold down (my favorite) and veritas surface clamp. Maybe you could do a review on those two.
thanks for the video Dennis, preordered a few of those neat clamps. Had been looking at them for a while, but held of until this review :-). Due to some slight messing up, I had to build a workbench with 30mm mdf so my normal clamps didn't work so well. These should do the trick!
I have followed almost all your videos and they helped me shopping at Banggood. Now to my HUGE surprise I cannot go to their website any more. It seems Denmark has blocked their website???? Which also means I cannot write to Banggood asking them if this is permanent or what's going on? I know it's not your job to communicate on my behalf, but if you can get some information for me and other Danes what's happening I would be so happy
I'm from Australia and I swear the 1st few times you went "I'm from hooked on Wood" I hear "I'm from Hoekdenwood" or sum such (I don't how I would spell it) and I think " That sounds like a nice town. I wonder where that is?". Then I forehead slap myself.
Great review as always, I really like all the details and thoughts put into evaluating each of the clamps. For the raster pattern I couldn't resist and suggest that for Imperial folks use 768/797th 😃.
I ordered 4 of these hold down clamps after watching your review. Three were a little tight but just OK but the 4th was too tight to be useable. I have contacted Banggood several times about a replacement but have had no response. It's a pity as the concept is very good but the execution falls short. This type of device does require very accurate machining as tolerances in the 20mm holes are tight. Even after reaming out my holes with the Axminster 20mm reamer the worst was still to tight to use.
In the end I gave up on Banggood customer services and rubbed down the posts with coarse alox paper until they were an easy fit. OK now.
Strange enough the hole in my workbench are much smaller: 16mm. Is that common?
Are there any holders available for that size that anyone knows of?
Great review Dennis. How is the new bench coming along? Can’t wait to see video on channel and all the plans and goodies going into your shop. Praying you reach 100K viewers real soon. Then 1 million next
I just want to say thank you for producing and sharing these informative, straightforward videos. Be well.
I am new to your channel but I find you very informative and I enjoy watching your ratings are superb very helpful
i bought this product and i was impressed. Thanks for your advice my friend
Bedankt Dennis, op jouw aanbeveling heb ik zojuist 2 klemmen gekocht! (thanks google translate)
Just 3 views, congrats to myself
Two of them where from myself. You are the first😀👏👏 repect!
@@HookedonWood i am waiting so long for a video about tools from china becoz i did bought a few tools from china for my wookshop👍👍👍
Buying those Ganwei clamps right now. Thanks
Awesome reviews, Dennis! Thanks a lot! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Dank je wel voor je grondige review. Wat ik gaaf aan de Ganwei Hold-Down klem vind, is het verende gedeelte waardoor er mooi vlak, en zonder zijdelingse beweging aangedrukt wordt. Je zorgen over het rasp effect in het gat deel ik ook. Voor zo`n blad met gaten geld dat de boven en onderzijde belast worden en in het midden niet. Omdat de as in het gat gekanteld wordt, komt er enorme vlaktedruk op de helft van de boven rand en de onderrand. De karteltjes op de as maken dit nog erger.
Yeah I just sent back my Chinese dog hole clamps back. They just didn’t work at all. No clamping force regardless. Why are you encouraging people to waste their time and money…I wonder.
I measured 70kg of clamping force. If it did not work you have the wrong one 19mm instead of 20. Ot something is wrong. It is one of my most use tools from China.
Dear Dennis,
how thick table top should I need for efficient functioning? I read some reviews about weak clamping force. Could it be in connection with the thickness of the table top?
Thanks for your response,
János Baumgartner
For these clamps I would advise 30-40mm. They significantly increase in clamping force with thicker table tops. But they still perform ok with table tops of 18mm.
Great video. Gripping stuff!
Keep 'er lit Bro!
Hi Dennis, I picked up a pair of the hold down clamps and I like them but it seems they could benefit from a little cork or rubber on the clamping pad. I my pieces seem to slide a little bit. Thanks for review them.
Thanks for the information Scotty!
What is the black composite material you are using for your bench tops and kapex insert? Looks like a black colored MDF, but not something I’ve seen in my local stores in the lumber aisles. Thanks in advance and great videos. 👍🏼
Depends where you are but I think it’s called Valchromat here in the Uk
Did you make the workbench dog holes yourself? I'm asking if like to make one but not sure if it can be done properly without CNC. Thank you and congratulations on your great workshop
With an UJK parf guide system it can. It is almost cnc like. I think 80% of my holes are accurate. This has more to do with human error. The deviation of that 20% is very small and probably within a 10th of a mm
oh my wrist is aching from that testing.... friends: oh yeah, riiiiight
I was expecting Whole Dog clamps.
I've got one similar to the Hongdui clamp that is made by Kregg but it is all plastic. It actually works very well, I use it to hold stock on my Shapeoko CNC. The aluminum one here is much more appealing especially since its double sided compared to 1 with the Kregg. Although the Kregg is only about $20 here in the U.S. compared to $55.99 currently for the Hongdui. I'd like to have one to be able to compare in person before I could justify buying at least 2 if not 4 that I'd need and that would cost me over double of the other. They lookl amazing though!
really enjoyed this video (and, again, the really high quality of the review - so well thought out and comprehensive!).
The Ganwei clamps are what interests me most and I would love to get some but my bench (a Sjöbergs Elite model) has 1 inch dog holes and the clamps only come in 19mm/20mm versions - which seems to apply for virtually ALL hold down systems. Is there some kind of adapter I can purchase so that I can increase the clamp post diameter from 20mm to 25.4mm (or, respectively, to reduce the dog hole dimension from 25.4mm to 20mm)?
Tks always very informative.
Already subbed. Good luck on getting to 100k. You’ll make it no problem!
Great reviews. Will order the first clamps too.
Is all that black surface and you saw insert paper lite !
Thank you for all those Chine tools videos. Now it is question time. Which clamps and how would you use to build your own fence for budget table saw (like Evolution Fury 5s)?
Hey Dennis, have you been on a diet? You look trim !
Thanks Dennis. Going by looks I would have guessed the first clamps were junk and the second a quality product. I'll be skipping the second and grabbing a few of the first style for my mft top.
Does the new screw clamp lift the piece from the table upwards like the flat festool style clamp you reviewed previously?
Cant wait for workshop series.
I would say no, but when your dog holes tear out a bit it is possible it lifts half a mm.
I’m subscribed for months! And I keep learning about new tools and techniques, thanks!
Geniales los vídeos muy ilustrativos. por favor que los subtítulos sean para español también
I'm sub'd to so many woodworking channels, how am I just now finding this channel? Wtf RUclips? This channel is awesome, and I am now binge watching all of his content. Fantastic work sir 👏
like usual, a must watch video... just my pocket money will argue hahaah would love to see a test of the bangood version of the viking arm.. thank you again for your reviews
Great video. You are getting such a good response, China is having a problem with supply.😃
Love your honest reviews, can't wait to see your new workshop.
Another great video Dennis, keep them coming! I'll be sure to use your affiliate links when I buy your suggestions.
Great job Dennis.
Did you ever review the aluminum pop up bench dogs you showed in this video?
Thanks for the reviews! I'm anxious to see your review of the "push button" bench dogs. I like the idea of those. We'll see how well the manufacturer executed it with your fantastic reviewing method!
I’ve just bumped into your channel as a recommendation on YT. This is an excellent review of two products I would use often. The layout for the grid can be produced more efficiently if you use the mirror tool in your software. This way they laser cutter is not tracing each line twice. All you do is draw a line at the edge of your page. Select the line and the mirror tool. Set the distance away from the line you want your new line, in this case 10 mm, and action. Repeat by selecting the new line and then clicking. This works in AutoCAD and Adobe Illustrator, but in slightly differing ways so you need to check with the software you are using. You will probably find that it should halve the time it takes the laser cutter to create the grid. Lloyd
Miss your videos can’t wait for the workshop bench full video
Tomorrow OK?
Now I am in a big dilemma. My workshop will be done in Nov and I think I know what I want but was really hoping you would have your workshop videos out before mine was done! Do I build or do I wait to see what you build? :-)
My main question is how does the insertion of the knurled shaft affect 3/4 MDF like yours and my tops are made of. I would like to see that same test done on a hole in 3/4 inch thick mdf.
Hi Dennis. A few days ago I was looking at the clamps. Now seeing your review just ordered a set you reviewed first via your link. Hope they will arrive soon.
Thanks Dennis for the review which resulted in my ordering four dog hole clamps.
Hi Dennis, thanks for making and sharing. Very usefull for me a starting woodworking who is thinking of a mft style table and the accessory needed.
Denis, are there any good horizontal solutions for bench that only have T-Track?
Your videos are awesome... please keep them coming. God bless you
I thought the Ganwei dog hole clamps looked interesting and the price is very reasonable - so have ordered a pair. Now just have to wait an age until they arrive.
Another great video thank you I’m looking forward to seeing your new shop cheers
please never stop this China wood working tools series. As I said Verstappen Did it, from last to 2nd. too bad for Checo
Thank you. I live in Asia so most of the popular brands in the west are not available here. It is nice that there are videos here that compares most China tools with popular brands in the west. It saves me a lot of time and money by just watching this review.
Hi Denis! Just a little confusion. How thick was the table top where you were getting the 75 kg of clamping pressure. I assumed it was 18 mm, but then you switched to an 18 mm top. So, how thick was the top in the first part of the demonstration? Thanx!! hb
70kg,?two layers of 18mm
@@HookedonWood Thanx!
نعم 👍
Another good video Dennis! Hope you get to 100k soon. This is a great channel.
you make me buy this tool even if i don't need one for the moment. just for the sake of presentation. as always amazing presentation.
i still want the kapex 120 one haha :-)
Nice Vid Dennis!
Great review, wow! I have both products in use and I can confirm your ratings for 100%. I used a drop of weapon oil to make the movement of both tools a bit smoother.
Excellent video Dennis!
greetings Denis! Thank you for your non-stop work which helps us to save money and nerves :-)
Love your channel, go on!
I seen those clamps on bangood the other day. I'm really happy you made this video and gave them a review, they both seem like a great buy.
If I made a square with a 20mm hole in the center do you think this will help the black clamp on thinner tops?
Awesome videos man really enjoy seeing great affordable tools.
Thanks Dennis. I ordered a pair of the hold downs when you first featured them and I'm still waiting for them to ship as they are out of stock. Estimated shipping is now 18 October for anyone interested.
Thank you for the wonderful reviews. I think many of these type tools could be made out of a polycarbonate material. This could resolve some of the issues you presented. Definitely going to look into those neat butterfly clamps.
zeer knappe review Dennis, voor de ronde in-line klemmen heb ik deze van Kreg, zijn slechts €25 en ben er tevreden over.
great way of comparing tools, you have really put in the time to make the choices a lot easier for the woodworker!
i consider your show as a permanent fixture. keep up the good work..
Hoi Dennis, dank voor alle moeite.
het blijft leerzaam
Eu gosto muito do seu canal e a maneira como você apresenta as peças, parabéns!não demore tanto tempo entre um vídeo e outro, ok!
I love your videos!
HI Dennis, I bought the chamfer plane from your last video, but it was so popular it was backordered, but I just got the shipment notification. Thanks for your reviews.
Oh great. I think you will like it
Another great video Dennis. Many thanks.
Oh no a plank misgeslagen by Hongdui! Those other clamps look great though! But I still think I'd prefer the rail clamps as they don't interact with the holes at all and are not being pushed into the worktop for grip. Think double layered black MDF is hard enough for the job Dennis? Or are you making the next bench from some hardwoods?
And I plug your channel every opportunity I get in all the woodworking facebook groups I subscribe to :) Op naar de 100k!
Hoi Dirk, Thanks for your support!
Ik ga mijn nieuwe werkbank met boven zwart MDF en daaronder een plaat plywood. Het is een test zodat ik voor mijn nieuwe werkplaats de juiste werkbank kan kiezen.
Thanks for sharing, great videos as always.
I'd be more concerned about dog holes getting bigger when clamping rather that when taking them in and out, don't you think?
Yes, They will get bigger over time because of clamping. But because of the structure, I was afraid it would act as a rasp. I use two sheets of material, or 38mm top, so it is better suited against the pressure.
@@HookedonWood Thanks for answering. I think I'll attempt one of this MFT tables! Looks like they are very useful. I congratulate you again for your dream workshop.
Dear Dennis I love your videos, you are an ingenious guy. You often ask for suggestions about product’s to review. Here is my suggestion and advise for your tools review, earring protection like the 3M or the ISOtunes protection. Also lungs protection like dust masks. I know you have a top notch dust collection system but your ears are taking a beating each time you use your tools. Just think about not earring your boy or ore realistically our 20 years from now, your grand kids. Any way, wonderful videos. Sorry about the language english is my secondary language. Take care and thank you!
Thanks Dominik, great suggestions. Will look at those. Have a nice day.
Excellent Tools
Thank you for these videos! They're superb and have enabled me (a true beginner) to invest in some quality tools to make learning woodworking easier.
Thank you Dennis you videos are an inspiration. I am currently creating a shop that is only slightly smaller than yours and you have given me many ideas about my lay out . I just wish there was a supplier of black MDF near me .all of your videos are great and China tools will save a lot of people a lot of money. Keep up the good work
Hi Dennis, just found & subscribed to your excellent channel. I liked the review on the parallel guide system, but I did not like the idea of having to add 200mm I think you said, also one or two other things. The wood pecker is the one I like, but the price is way over the top, when you include delivery to Thailand. So I think I will go for the Bench Dog UK version, unless the one you reviewed is improved in the near future. One thing i'm looking for is a adjustable Shelf drilling jig, like the Veritas or the one from Woodpecker. Do you know of any from China. Keep up the excellent reviews
Dennis altijd de moeite waard om te zien hoe je de producten test en beoordeeld.Met plezier geabonneerd en volg je graag op de voet.Doe zo verder.
Dank je wel Dennis. I want to build a new (folding) workbench and use your videos for inspiration. To bad these horizontal clamps are not as good as i hoped. But maybe banggood has some good ones, i didnt like the previous ones because of the lifting...
Agree with you. Groetjes. Dennis