"Batman Has No Good Villains" Batman Caped Crusader Noir Style Was A Deliberate Lie
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- It's remarkable how even Bruce Timm the creator of Harley Quinn can look at Batman and say some shit like "Batman has no good villains" And then follow that up with oh yeah! we can fix that by making the Penguin into a woman! Clown world indeed... Tough i doubt even the Joker could have dreamt up torture quite as terrible as Batman Caped Crusader
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Batman's worst villains are its franchise's modern writers.
Not even the world's greatest detective can beat that.
I guess some might be converted or lost all passion and seriousness about it as well.
It seems decades among Hollywood elites turns one into a creative zombie.
I admit I always thought Alice would be a good replacement for the Mad Hatter. A victim becoming the tormentor.
Ikr? There are 2 “writers” I can use as an example
Kevin Smith: Despite claiming his love for Batman, he made the Dark Knight piss his paints.
Tom King: Turned Batman into a literal basement dwelling incel that got cucked by Catwoman and had Bane take over Wayne Manor to push Alfred around.
No, it's really the fanboys who say that he can defeat omnipotent gods without any special armor nor gadgets when he's "supposedly" a nornal human.
Those 2 things dont match, no matter how much you special plead out of lust for batfurry
‘Batman has no good villains’ Batman is renowned for having one of if not the greatest rogues galleries in not just comic books, but fiction in total
And the only one that comes close is Spider-Man
Really close both galleries feel so human and have often took ideas fron the other @@ghostshrimp5006
I've notice that the Batman movies are trying to avoid having over the top villians, because they want Batman's journey to be realistic. I really want to see villians like Clayface, Madhatter, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy. The Batman Arkham series can give a modern take of those villians, why not movies.
And lots of modern (fictional) villain actually taking cues from Batman's rogue. JOKER with his random insanity is clear example.
@@avgj3859also, Batman villains always over the top because they're all very obsessed with some particular thing. Joker with "showing off", Ras Al Ghul with control, Bane with power, Two Face with moral dillema, Riddler with complex plan, and many more
Nolan's movies even know this, but while turning their intensity down, still keeping the archetype intact
> Destroy Batman's villains over the years through bad writing
> "Batman has no good villains"
"What's a self-fulfilling prophecy, again?"
What annoys me is that no one ever stays ded in comics it removes all stakes for me
the fact that almost every batman villain are known even to ppl who don't watch batman or comics is a statement of wrong they are
As a guy who likes Riddler... I dislike the whole silly goofy Riddler that has existed for a long time. The more jigsaw style Riddler I think is awesome, same with the one from the old Batman show.
Now other that specific character... yea like 80% of Batman's major villains have been ruined... Especially Mr. Freeze with his wife :(
@@thegloryofromeiseternal tell that to Alfred thanks to crappy writing
“Batman has no good villains.”
Considering Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix both won Oscars for their portrayal of THE JOKER, the world rejects your cope good sir.
Bruce Tim did not create Harley Quinn. It was Paul Dini, who was the chief writer for "Batman, the Animated Series", and had absolutely nothing to do with "Batman:Caped Crusader". Bruce Tim was just a designer on "BTAS", and along with J.J.Abrams deserves full credit for how awful this series is.
Hey father 😆
I will die on this hill. Penguin most notable trait is that he's NOT insane when caught he just goes to Jail not Arkham. He likes birds but not insane over them, his bird theme is a choice not a compulsion. I haven't watched Caped Crusader but if they changed that part it would annoy me no end.
Exactly! I've said the same thing for years: the irony of The Penguin is that among Batman's villains, He Is The NORMAL One!
The majority of the others are psychos and lunatics who want to kill Batman, destroy the human race or create unsolvable puzzles. Penguin just wants to run the mob. He just wants to do "business."
And none of the "writers" can figure out a way to make that play?
Pathetic.
Its worse penquin is female wearing a tuxedo in THE 1930S!
penguin was intriguing to me because he was deformed and tragic, but still evil. but you kinda felt sorry for him and understood his emtional reactions.
but people hating him was essential to this.
I am mad at the sheer idiocy of saying 'Batman has no good villains'. That pissed me off.
Given the right person, even a villain like The Eraser can be turned into a good Batman villain.
Batman doesn't.. Batman comics have sucked for over a decade, and don't get me started on the recent videogame representations. It was good in the past.. it's a shit factory now.
@@reignick1133well the comic book fans have a very different perspective just bear that in mind
Awaiting Incredibles Batman crossover: "Bomb Voyage" and "Syndrome" vs. Batman
@@reignick1133there’s a difference between bad villains and bad representations.
Think about the Joker. He’s one of the most beloved and iconic- if not THE most iconic- villains of Batman, but then you have to ask which _version_ of the Joker are we talking about? Golden Age? Silver Age? Animated Series? Heath Ledger’s?
Depending on which one you pick, you may very well say that the Joker is a bad villain OR a great villain.
Batman has the best villains, they've just ruined most of them. Harley Quinn, poison ivy, Victor freeze, all amazing. All crapped on.
Mad Hatter was great. Then they made him a pædø for edgelord points.
Bro they don't even touch clayface or killer croc anymore cause they are not "pretty" enough
I bring them up cause both legit struggle because they were once human and crime is the only thing they feel like they can do now
Bruce Timm was the "Pencil Guy" for Batman TAS (1992)
Paul Dini was the writer... why is he beeing tossed aside from the conversation again and again? I find it strange he has been almost forgotten while his collegue is the one who still get jobs.
While Dini was working on the script of the two first "Arkham Games" with Rocksteady... Timm was trying to push his "BatmanXBatgirl" romance the fans highly rejected for years
He probly wouldn't play ball with the story they wanted
My top three theories:
Dini is christian.
Dini wasn't allowing his scripts to go full degen.
Dini pissed off some j3w.
Facts😂
@@streptococo4735you forgot he wouldn't go to a p Diddy-esque party 😂🤣😂
I honestly have no idea, how a person could have drawn good batman series for 3+ years, and then claim Batman do not have good villains. Make me suspect he hired out the job to somebody else.
"Creator forgetting their creation" that's a term I have been using to describe Rick Riordan this recent decade.
If other comments are correct, they were just a small part of it, rather than significantly in control of creating the original.
A friend tried to argue that I created an unrealistic expectation in my head about this series being old school Batman but that is literally the highlight of the story: old school Batman. I have the right to be upset when they don't deliver anything old school to me. I can only see something that constantly reminds me of modernity.
Your friend: "Can't you just lower your standards and consoom."
@@darwinxavier3516 Man, I know if I see this show I'm going to be pissed off so I choose not to participate in it.
Hold up, I just realised something.
They made Harley Quinn Asian...and then gave her...a YELLOW costume?
That is not Harley Quinn, that Harley Qing (dynasty)
If they want a female Asian villain, why not Lady Shiva? Female assassin who can match Batman in martial skills.
I don’t know how Caped Crusaders is going to do with the Bat Family, but with Shiva, they can also introduce her estranged daughter Cassandra Cain. Make a dilemma for Shiva where she could either appreciate the positive changes her daughter is having with Batman and reconsider her villain ways or forced to fight her own daughter who became a hero.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 Your mistake is to assume they want an asi@n character. They want to take an iconic whit3 character and make them P0C. Since they already made Gordon and Barbara bl@ck, they decide to make Harley asi@n to not make Gotham go full bl@ck
Harley Quinn simply doesn't work without Joker. Without Joker there is no Harley.
"Batman has no good villains, that's why we changed one of the villains gender but change nothing else."
Aaaaaaand this improves the "roster of bad villains" how again? Yeah I thought so.
Not to mention they had Onomatopoeia in there even though he’s a Green Arrow Villain
@@justinbowers2749 To be fair Onomatopoia is also a pretty important villain against Batman in like the second big story he has been (or at least that was written by his creator)
The Batman Animated Series is one of the absolute shining golden moments of not just super heros, but of the entire animated industry and this... slop... uhgg.
Baby-doll is one of my favorite "villians" of all time, that is such a sad tragic story.
Baby-Doll and Mister Freeze are the two villains I feel the most for, they have the most tragic backstories.
Batman Beyond also had some good ones and the Static Shock crossover episodes are gold too.
Back then I hoped for more, these days I FEAR what they may set their eyes on and sh*t all over next.
Not Batman, but I am at the moment reading the first and original Spiderman comic book stories from 1962-64 and its suuuuuuch a breath of fresh air! Sweet flippin Green Goblin did they know how to make FUN stories back then! And yes, the villains are great too!
Who could forget the Big Wheel?
Joker - arguably a modern manifestation of s Trickster God.
Two eco terrorists.
Two cases of split perfonality.
One guy who actually figured out who Batman is.
Plus the whole set of nightmare fuel psychos in the rogue galery.
Huntress began as a villain before she was in the Bat family.
She’s more anti-hero, no?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 she's been all over the map depending on who's writing her and her role in the arch of the story. I do believe however she was originally an assassin villain character
So the point is "you need a uterus to be a real evil villain" is the most antiwoman own ever. Joker? Ras Al Ghoulk? Bane? No. Not even the German can be a great villain because they dont have a uterus. Hmm.
If we follow that path of logic, then that means women are inherently more evil than men by default. Which I agree with, because they represent chaos. 😂
"With great power comes the wahmens ability to avoid accountability"
"They try hard to avoid racism so bad it looped back to acting racist" -- some random YT commenf
@@TheDisquietingNight "Time is an 4D oblongoid and only one who could explain what it means was partying at EP Stein island" -- some not really random comment floating in ether
Bruce Timm mispoke :
"BATMAN HAS NO GOOD
GENDER SWAPPED VILLAINS."
Guess Timm's gone senile, if he forgot about Baby-Doll, Heart of Ice, and Mad Love.
he's not gonna forget Batman x Batgirl though
That show is so bad Bruce Wayne's parents are spinning in their graves.
There's also Baby-doll, but they ruined HER in that Kiteman show...
When they stoop low enough to steal KKs excuses:
deletes the EU and then "there is no source material".
JJ Abrams is involved bro 😂 He probably fed KK that idea to do his stupid reboot movie. KK is too clueless about Star Wars to come up with that on her own.
They mean “Good Villains” as progressive stack in current year villains
Bruce Timm may have returned, but Paul Didi didn’t, and that’s the problem.
*thick French accent: "I have a confession to make, Hank. I only like ze Batman because he has ze best villains!"
Ah, a Venture Brothers reference. Well played.
@@Captain-Thievius It's one of those pieces of dialogue that will eventually find an event on which to be referenced. That show is full of that. Fucking writers like that are treasures.
When I saw this I also had that reference in mind. Good one.
Probably means "Batman doesn't have enough DEI villains that are better than him in every way!"
The fact they gender flipped Penguin out of desperation tells me all i need to know about the creation of Harley Quinn. A gender flipped joker, brought to life by the vocal artist who brought to life a sheer imitation of another creation.
"Sexy"
And there's your problem
"Batman has no good villains!"
Um.... What? Batman is outright known as the DC property with the BEST villains? Wtf!?
There's even more that could be good if given the right writer. Most of Wonder Woman's rogues gallery, for example, are either underutilized or utilized badly. Imagine how fleshed out it could be if she were given some of Batman's A-game writers over the years and had a *GOOD* Animated Series like Batman, Superman, and the Justice League had.
Spider-Man is the only hero who even comes close in terms of how well known his villain ares
@@l-x-10that’s because both DC and Marvel have been living off of Batman and Spider-Man for the past decade and a half. Those two together amount to like 70% of the last decades comic sales. And those are the ones their parent companies have been trying the hardest to “modernize”.
@@noahlanders7029 dude I was just commenting how Bats and Spidery got well known villains not about the state of DC and marvel.
I think the dude forgot a word, in the context of his answer, I think he meant 'Batman has no good female villains' cause he goes on to mention Harley, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman but talking about that not being enough.
No good villains?
What a proposterous bunch of rubbish!
Batman's Rogues Gallery is the most well known, iconic, and recognized cast of villains in fiction. They are as prominent as Batman himself.
The fact that Bruce Timm created one of Batman's most iconic villains, and the best he could do now is troon Penguin. I guess you can't really trust anyone from Hollywood at face value these days...
I'm waiting for them to say that Spider-Man has no good villains next. I'm sure it's coming.
Give it a year either that will happen or they’ll say that Miles has more iconic villains than Peter, they can be that delusional.
"A lack of good villains", Deathstroke, Mr Freeze, Deadshot, Darkside, Bane, and Lex Luthor would all like a word with you...the Joker just wants to joybuzzer you to death.
I ,for one, am so tired of these talentless hacks using beloved franchises as a soapbox for their out-of-touch politics.
And I am 100 % certain that Bruce Timm knows he is lying through his teeth when he says this garbage.
Same for Greg Weisman. Do you think he genuinely believes the nonsense he spouts or is he pandering to the same people that would cancel him in a heartbeat?
Timm and Weisman have always been huge leftist POS, even if they were involved with some of the most well crafted and beloved animated series , hell just television series in general. Are they true believers, hate mongers, or just hacks rolling with the politics that control their industry?
Doesn't matter. They're creating bad products and helping to prop up harmful ideologies.
he wants to keep getting jobs so he will say what the establishment tells him to say
DC have given Batman some of the greatest and most iconic supervillains in comic book history, so to say "BatMaN hAs nO gOOd vIllaInS!1!" just demonstrates that someone with no imagination should not be given the pen to write a Batman story.
This is doubly true when the only original idea that person can come up with is gender-bending characters like The Penguin and Mr Freeze.
really just helps reinforce the saying "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have made."
Mr. Freeze, Bane, Ra’s Al Gul, Azreal and Two-Face- “Are we a joke to you?!”
(And that’s ignoring some of the lesser known ones who are meances in their own right, also I left out Joker being frankly he overshadows everyone else to an annoying degree at times.)
Bane💪
Im pretty sure that multiple versions of the penguin, had being bullied for his looks a part of his backstory. But genderflipped and suddenly: Sex icon
"Batman has no good villains" is definitely a statement.
It’s a stupid brain dead statement (especially coming from the person who worked on BTAS), but you are correct, it is a statement
He meant no good (female) villians
i didn't know Bruce Tim was involved with this...
now i know how Star Wars fans felt when they watched the Disney trilogy
If you went to see anything Disney, you deserved the wake-up call it gave you.
Those who watched the D trilogy have been over this crap for years, you can blame yourself for not believing sooner. :/
Well J.J.Abrams was a creative force between the Disney Star Wars trilogy, and "Batman:The Caped creator". J.J. Abrams (or as he is known among some Star Wars fans as "Jar Jar Abrams"), also destroyed Star Trek.
We Star Trek fans warned you all
Well jj Abram’s and all his goons are also attached 😂
The only other superhero that may have a better rogue gallery is Spiderman. Between Spiderman and Batman, they have the best villains under them. Thats the only debate possible, really, between those two.
Gonna have to say, i really like Flash's rogues. They've been bastardized a lot lately, but i still love'em.
Remember, these people went on strike for more pay. Now we know why they were not getting paid a lot.
Out of the entire Batmans rouge gallery. You arrived at gender flipped Penguin? Over 80 years of Batman comics, TV shows, games etc and the best that could be done is Penguin as a woman and an a ugly one at that.
And we're supposed to pretend like she's attractive.
- Batman has no good villains
Joker: am I a joke to you?
*Mr. Freeze giving that death stare in the corner*
@@frederickdawson2253 Two-Face flipping his coin menacingly.
@@Mate397 Riddler stomps his cane
@@l-x-10*Bane cracks knuckles with spine shattering intend*
* *Ra’s Al Ghul seething in his Lazarus pit.* *
The problem is simple.
These 'writers' want to steal the success of other people.
I have seen Batman Animated Series.
I have seen The Batman (2004 series).
We had Mr Freeze being the husband who lost his wife and suffered depression, hatred, and revenge.
We had Mr Freeze being a heartless cold serial killer who focused on stealing as much money as possible and being a ruthless villain with no redeeming values.
We had Penguin wanting to join upper society and mocked for his birth defects.
We had Penguin being a dark reflection of Bruce Wayne using his profit and family fortune to benefit himself and do crime to help himself more.
We even had a relatively nice Joker suffering from mental issues who fell in love with Harely Quinn... Who was in fact a horrible person who toyed Joker along as she was setting him up to be the fall guy for her crimes pushing him over the edge faster into full blown insanity and criminal actions.
The issue here?
They are stealing the names of the Batman characters and then just slapping them on B-rate villains just to show off their totally original do not steal female characters.
A female Hugo Strange who uses her degree to trick people for her own ends as she claims what she is doing is for the good of everyone... Just ignore the fortunes she keeps getting that are donated to her with a bunch of other people.
Man-Jaw cop. The female detective better than Batman who is in a lesbian relationship with her foe who is more like 'Robin Hood' if you really think about it making her crimes totally justified!
Then hypocrisy Not-Batwoman! A defense Lawyer who tells everyone that the cops are the REAL VILLAINS of the show and if they weren't so brutal then maybe there wouldn't be any psychotic criminals murder in people.
All criminals deserve a chance if their a girl... But make one move against her and she shall shove you in a jail cell as an enemy of the state as how dare those heartless ruthless criminals who dare break the law be given a chance of mercy!
Oh and sometimes we get the guest star Batman to pop in from time to time.
The joker one was from Tale Tell series.
It has its fair share of problems (really hate that the parents were criminals) but at least it felt like Batman for the most part.
"We even had a relatively nice Joker"
I don't recognize this one. Source?
@@odinsrensen7460 If I am correct that was the Telltale Batman Game (Season 2 The enemy within). It's been a while and the choices/consequences of that game can wildly change.
Especially with your first run and how it may color your opinions sort of like Fire Emblem Three Houses as that first run paints most of the further interactions and past interactions wildly as me and my brother got two very different ideas or view points on the Joker from what we had picked.
In Batman Tell Tale Season 2 we get John Doe - Aka going to probably become the Joker.
Joker gets released, talks about this new group he ends up running into to Bruce (you both ran into each other in the Insane Asylum long story) and most people ended up picking the 'I owe you a favor in the future' option so this is his call in the future.
Long story short he asked Bruce for a favor and depending on the choices you make greatly colors the story throughout the game.
Who you trust, who you throw under the bus, if you Trust John Doe, if you try to save Catwoman (or not throw her under the bus) and how Harley and Joker even interact.
So that by the end... you get the ending of Episode 4 and how Episode 5 plays out.
The ending with you either placing your trust in John Doe as he promises to try and talk down Harley Quinn from her plan... or you not trusting him. As again... your prior actions also color this scene along with how John Doe views your character in trying to figure out if the two of you are truly friends or if you are just using him to get what you want.
As there was a bit of a debate on if you really should trust 'the joker' or try being friends with him considering you have a good idea on how it would probably end.
So by the start of Episode 5... Spoiler warning if you care
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Spoiler
You get Vigilantly Joker if you trusted John Doe as it turns out Harley was just using Joker. You even have a few scenes as he tries being a hero... before things end badly, you have to take him down, and in the Asylum he is left getting medical and psychological care as he is forced to reflect upon his actions, but there is hope that he can get better.
A nice guy joker ending for some as there is hope that he can get better in much the same way a non-mutilated Harvey who doesn't get half his face mutilated, goes REALLY FAR off the deep end and gets proper medical and psychological attention might recover. Seriously the amount of times half of his body can get mutilated and how he acts between psycho drugged Harvery who could recover (but doesn't through 1-5) and actually mutilated Harvey is a bit wild.
If you didn't trust John Doe... well he ends up shaking up with Harley as that version of Harley really did care for Joker. He goes on his psycho run as he get Joker as the Joker who you have to defeat and he gets sent to the Asylum where your past actions may end up affecting a few things.
You can even get it where the Joker wants to be 'enemies for life' Batman and yet also doesn't want to hurt Bruce Wayne as he sort of views the two as different people.
Again... it's one of those 'you playthrough and actions' tend to color the story. Some people preferred the villain Joker and others felt sad for how Vigilant Joker ended as they felt sorry for the guy.
And this is again... the JOKER who is generally the card carrying villain with no redeeming values and probably should have been shot by a random cop during any of the numerous times Batman beat the guy senseless and handed him over to the police so that he could be carted away to the rotating rest home for super villains who break out of there every week.
Heck no, mate! A villain can only be as deliciously devilish as how competent the writing person/team is. There is no going around it.
Bruce Timm did not create Harley Quinn, Paul Dini did! God, why do so many people forget that fact?!
I am fairly sure I can draw more parallels between The Batman 2004 and BtAS than Caped Crusader and BtAS. While fully aware that the style of animation is indeed very parallel. Writing is just so much not.
Two face is an iconic villain. He might be less dangerous than joker or penguin but his moral compass is unique. Crime boss and attorney. Murderer and philanthropist. Thief and vigilante. It all depends on the coin
Batman has so many villains, the LEGO Batman movie had a near two minute line up of them all.
No good villains? A series with villains so dynamic that real life psychologists wrote case studies on these fictional people?
80% of what Batman has going for him is excellent villains. Oh my god I can’t believe they actually said that. Put it to print and didn’t do everything in their power to bury it
"You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain" .. now applies to Bruce more than any of Batman's villains XD
Mr.Freeze was one of the best Villains ever.
well it's Mrs Freeze now!
and yet, someone who apparently is big in comics but hated the pushers of this ideology saw this, and defended not just the caped crusader, but the entire penguin statement.
Bruce Timm said this? That guarantees that he never understood the character at any point.
Female Batman villains that were made in Bruce Timm's DCAU
Harley Quinn
Roxy Rocket
Baby Doll
Red Claw
Inque
Curaré
Phantasm
inque was cool and had a great episode in batman beyond
Paul Dini is the true genius behind the DCAU not Bruce Timm.
Timm: Batman doesn't have enough good female villains.
Also Timm: (Immediately lists 3 well-known icons.)
Add just two more and you can evenly split the entire season between male and female villains. And if you think those three have been overexposed or have been pushed too far into anti-hero territory, you could always take the opportunity to highlight some of Batman's lesser known villains.
Tools on instagram even claim that Penguin is "not iconic" and label him as more of a "side villain" while labeling us as "fake fans" because we respect the characters and their origins. Oh, and of course they love using the "elseworld excuse".
And the umbrellas, the Penguin USED to have the gimmick of relying heavily on trick umbrellas!
Toxic gas, flamethrowers, stabby bits, GUNS, he had them all in umbrella form.
We told you anything coming from Hollywood would be 💩💩
Hollywood thinks villains are better than the heroes, yet don't understand what makes a villain compelling.
Say what you Will about my adventures with Superman, it may be Superman fan fiction, but it still feels like superman, there’s love for the character, the core idea of each of all of them are still there.
Here there’s just nothing but contempt for the product
Building on your Ventriloquist idea, the Ventriloquist could even die and be replaced with a female (preferably someone previously establishnd as seeming fairly normal). Then you would really have to question if the Ventriloquists are just mad or whether there is something more to Scarface.
Batman has no good villians. BATMAN HAS NOGOOD VILLIANS? That may be the stupidest thing I have heard in a while. Batman has some of the best, most memorable villains in comics.
Being memorable doesn't make them good villains. That being said I'd never say batman has no good villains at all.
Mr. Rouges gallery. "Has no food villains".
Forgot to mention Talia Al"Ghoul, she can occupy half a season on her own.
“He has no good villains, so let’s make a female villain out of one of his rouge’s gallery to fill that gap.”
Excuse me, what? That’s braindead.
No kidding. If your saying "Has no good villains." then you need to MAKE A NEW ONE(S) don't ya?
I mean "Penguin Woman now - me great story writers. Left iz gud!" is pretty much the intellectual capacity I expected from the idiology mafia.
This is the same as Kathleen saying that star wars has no stories they could adapt, or whatever she said, meanwhile they are literally mining the old EU they declared "non canon" until they need things from it
Their mining is unsuccessful because they blew up the foundation😂
Hearing “Batman has a lack of good villains” hurt my brain.
They Lost a chance to make a Original and New Villain.
I have not read the Batman comics. I remember hearing and can someone correct me all the Batman villains are meant to represent the dark nature of Bruce personality. That why in one of Batman comics book cover you have Batman and penguins silhouette one makes the over.
Yup. Also many of the are superior to him in one area he's good at. Bane is stronger than Batman. Riddler is smarter than Batman. Ra's Al Ghoul is a superior fighter to Batman. When faced up with his evil copies, Bats has to get more crafty and show off the other areas he's good at. Then there's the villains who are dark reflections of him, such as Penguin, who shows what Bruce Wayne could have become had he not dedicated himself to justice and ensuring no other Gothamite has to go through what he did in Crime Alley.
@@duncanharrell5009 thank you that explains a lot. It is horrible how they can say there is not good villain. There is a lot to play with it just they are so limited with ideas.
either Bruce Timm was strong armed into going along, Lost the Plot in his old age, or was lying to us our entire childhood
"Batman has no good villains."
I mean, he *used* to...
What hasn’t been destroyed by wokeness at this point?
Effectively nothing in socialized culture.
We are all victims of propaganda, even those who are against it are victims of it.
LGBT since that’s their base of operations but anything not them they will go there and shit on then move to next target 😅
Woke already destroyed the gay flag
@@memesofwarhemmer7076 Wokies added that "T" into LGB and now they discriminate gay white guys like the rest of us.
Im so happy for my many, many manly-nerdy niché hobbies.
I can have my vintage watches, vintage amplifiers/audio gear and vintage bicycles all to myself.
+microcontroller/sbc stuff, building Linux gaming PeeCees, RC cars/quads and photography.
Good music is subjective but i can listen to old and new Jazz and skip any crap album, nothing that can be ruined.
Gaming isn't destroyed if you keep away from AAAA-slop, i consider Quake 2 "remaster" a new game because now it's accessible to everyone. We've had 6-player couch co-op sessions, it's funny how many good couch games there are but people seem to think that it's only some NES multitap retro crap.
I never would have imagined that the man who produced the show that completely rewrote Mr Freeze from a cartoonish generic flop of a villain into one of, if not THE, most sympathetic villains of all time saying that Batman has no good villains. For shame Bruce, for shame.
This is like KK saying there was no existing source material to adapt for Star Wars movies.
I've heard X-Men '97 actually did a good job recapturing the feel of the 90s show. Shame that even with one of the creators on board they apparently had no desire to even come close doing Batman again.
How about Baby Doll? Make her a normal gal that has a thing or history about dolls, I'm sure they will come up a better story for her
• The Phantasm why not?
• Calendar Girl
• Inque I know shes Terry
Mcginnis villain, still a Batman villain
• Amanda Waller I think they should considered her as Batman villain.
I'm no writer, but they should at least consider 1 or 2 of them.
What was arch's quote: "optimism, always appreciated. Rarely rewared."
Considering in the old animated series we saw the ventriloquist doll use wepons im pretty sure its a ghost
Sounds like Bruce Timm got a MASSIVE paycheck to spew that nonsense.
........... literally what Batman is known for, having the best villains.
When you quoted them saying there were no good batman villains i involuntarily joker laughed. Kinda scared myself.😮
But glad to see now they are saying it outright: gender swapping is a gimmick. Women characters are a gimmick to them.😂
54%? Thats way more generous than expected
Timm did not create the greatness of Batman TAS, Paul Dini did. And Timm resents he hell out of that.
lack of good villains?!?! excuse me!?!
Harley is The Mad Hatter not Haley from TAS
I'm really starting to wonder if Bruce Timm had a seizure recently and his brain broke.
Don't forget phantasm and Vengeance (Venom derivative like Bane ) Lady Clayface
Batman Brave and the Bold *MADE* them work. Calendar Man. Kite Man. Music Meister. Condiment King.
Even Kite Man got turned from goofy to a more serious and tragic character in the War of Jokes and Riddles comic.
This is not a love letter to Batman TAS. It is hate mail.
"What about this dommy mommy" - Arch
Don't threaten me with a good time Arch.
Ahh. The Batman skin suit.
The showrunners are their own portrayal of Harley Quinn.
They wore the skinsuit of Batman fans, seduced the executives to hand over their money and the rights to the show, then had the entire thing commit suicide.
The gimmick of the penguin is that he is a flightless "Tuxedo'd" bird... which symbolically echoes at his wanting to be accepted by the rich and sophisticated he was rejected by at birth, but failing... and all the things you said too yes. Penguin was a TRAGIC villain... but apparently just the fact of being a woman is even more tragic than anything that could happen to a dude because reasons...
Paul Dini did most of the work on the animated series. Giving Bruce too much credit
Okay, the statement about Batman has a lack of good villains just made my mouth drop!
I am SO glad that Arch decided to repeat that because I literally could not believe my ears.
Batman has the best, most sinister villain of all time, Commissioner Gordon, the man that makes sure no criminal is ever taken off the street for good, the man that creates the environment where a batman is even needed... Pretending to just be weak and helpless, when he is the true mastermind behind all crime in Gotham, by allowing it to go on.
You're speaking too much fact in this comment, stop it. lol
It's just like the villains in real life. 🤡
Honestly I always chalk that up to Gotham having a crap court system infested with bleeding heart idiots who somehow buy the Joker's "insanity" defense.
Whilst demonstrably incorrect from numerous iterations of the Batman universe, that actually would be an interesting route to go down for a Batman story.
hey Gordon is innocent
the blame lies with human fans who doesnt want gothan to be a better city
Batman has no villians
You make the villains!