The force works in mysterious ways. I don't think Ahsoka is leaving Peridea so soon, if ever. I interpreted that scene as Morai telling Ahsoka that she has a purpose here, maybe even her destiny since Morai saved her from dying all those other times just so she could be in Peridea.
Wow, that remnant of the Daughter statue is a wild detail that I missed during my viewing. They definitely designed it so that it could go either way. The sleeve and armband look just like Ahsoka's, but the neckline could either be her Lekku or the Daughter's collar.
For the last few years, I have been wondering if we are going to see Ahsoka become one with the Force. After all, she was one of the voices, guiding and assisting Rey during the final battle with Sidious.
I do hope we see Ahsoka return to the known galaxy at some point. It would be great for her character to try and assist Luke's Jedi Order, but perhaps her own attitudes towards the Jedi like we've seen with Anakin unintentionally impact Luke's own fears as we see in The Last Jedi's flashback. A final duel with Kylo Ren would be a fitting final act for her, finally undrrstanding what she can't control, but knowing thanks to her experiences outside of time that there is still hope.
The Mortis gods really make me realize how full circle my own Star Wars fandom has evolved… I HATED the Mortis arc when it first came out because I thought it would change the entire mythos and our perception of the force (and also cuz I was y’know… young and angry)… and then I got older and realized I loved it BECAUSE it changed the entire mythos and my perception of the force. 😅
5:16 I think "montrals" are actually the horn-like appreciate that point up at the top of a Togrutan's head, and "lekku" are the tentacle-like ones that fall down like the ones being referred to here
This is why I reject the notion put forth by some fans that Ahsoka is a Grey Jedi. She may have left the Jedi Order, but her alignment is still Light Side all the way.
With Peridia having ties to so many huge force and lord ideas, I’m wondering if this galaxy started off as the main one, with something very dangerous residing there that drove everyone (including the ones) to the current galaxy?
The night sisters are matriarchal so that makes me think they’d follow the mother not the son. The absence of the daughter just seemed like an artistic choice to convey a vacancy to be filled.
I mean there is a rift between the father and the daughter, its a bit small but there could have been a missing statue and baylan indicating the night sisters fleeing could build up the mother
The mother isn’t canon though, and I don’t think she will be anytime soon because the point of the Mortis gods is to represent the light, dark, and balance, and there’s not a fourth thing for a mother to be, I know in legends she’s like a mortal that becomes some crazy force being but that story isn’t canon and I don’t think it’s the direction Dave Filoni intended for those characters
Ahsoka did say to Sabine “We are where we need to be.” That shows that there’s a battle on two fronts - one with Thrawn and Ezra back home, and the other on Peridia with Baylan and Ashoka regarding the Force Gods.
I just had a thought and please don't blast me in the comments for it, but what if Perridia is actually Dave Filoni's version of Heliopolis from the Stargate SG-1 episode "Torment of Tantalus"? In that episode, SG-1, the heroes of the show, visit a planet where a man was trapped and learned a lot about four ancient alien races who gathered there to exchange knowledge and formed an alliance. Those races are later revealed to be alien races that still around in one way or another and SG-1 actually meets three of them; the Nox, the Asgard, and the Altarans, who later go by Lanteans and eventually the Ancients. What if Perridia is where the Zeffo, the Nightsisters, the Bendu Sages, the Whills, met there, worshipped the Mortis Gods, and exchanged knowledge on the Force? It could explain why there's a Zeffo mural on a Nightsister Observatory temple and it could also explain why there are statues of the Mortis Gods on a mountainside.
I never thought about Ashoka , but Anakin and the father are a very interesting dynamic , like the chosen one brings balance , the father is the one that keeps that balance , there is a relationship between the two entities , and why it makes sense that after he did fulfill his destiny then anakin becomes the father and not before.
It really feels like it could definitely be the Father's monastery, though when he died, the crystal fell (and so did all levitating things on Mortis) and collapsed on the monastery before exploding. (I suppose there could be a 2nd one. Maybe one for this universe's [physical] dimension?)
I guess the Mother (Abeloth) could have gotten there, and thus, it's working again or something. Maybe she's trapped there, calling Baylan to save her (she did lure people - specifically Force users - into her prison in Legends) (tricking him).
Mortis was a plane of metaphor, an extension of the Mortis Gods, Ben, Ani, and Snips. Peridea is real - the howlers, the Noti, the raiders, the witches, these show us the place exists beyond just being extensions of these Force Wielders and their guests. Mortis also had weird seasons that went with the day night cycle, which Peridea does not. I could see Peridea being the physical place of the Force Wielders while Mortis was a spiritual location they created to test Anakin and his companions. After all, Morai still lives, and the Force itself didn’t die when the Mortis Gods did, but the Father did say so as his Son’s power grows and his Daughter’s diminishes, so does the Clone War rage and the shadow of the Sith’s return lengthens. Mortis is a metaphor for the unbalance of the Force, but that doesn’t mean that Anakin killing Palps’ original body set everything aright. Anakin is the Chosen One, or A Chosen One - perhaps Luke and Rey are also, for prophecies are confusing and Ben and Maul seem to believe Luke actually is the One while Ani tells Rey to bring back the balance like he did. So we know Anakin had to bring back the balance too, and he brought it inside himself for sure as we saw here in Ahsoka. But perhaps now we have to see the Mortis Gods in the flesh rebuilt their sanctum.
I wonder if Ahsoka will transition into the embodiment, so to speak, of the Ashla. She has gone by the name previously, and I think if there’s some world between worlds stuff coming up it could cause the idea of the Ashla to spread. (Edit): a question with this could be what do you think the long term plan for Ahsoka is?
i think the long term plan for ahsoka is to have her fill a gandalf-like mentor/super powerful mage who shows up once in a while, in a post-skywalker galaxy
3:58 I had forgotten about that one! Given the landscape of Peridea, it would be fitting and really cool (no pun intended) to see that image played out like a Caradhras passage for Ahsoka and Sabine.
@@StuartLugsden That was my point. Wellspring of Life IS the microbiotic world of the midichlorians and the Whills (which are one and the same -- Whill was even the original name for the Force). The Force Priestesses are also called Shamans of the Whills, to boot.
@@Marandahir Its not the same place. Its pretty obvious they're not the same because George didn't say "We explored that place in the Clone Wars" when talking to James Cameron. He said that the heros would have shrunk to microscopic size and entered this microbiotic world. Yoda went to a cracked planet in a nebular and entered his core. *Edit* also the force priestesses are not the shamans of the Whills. That was never confirmed. It's all separate stuff.
IF there's a Season 2 of Asoka, I don't see the Night Sisters keeping their alliance with Thrawn for long. Yes, they owe their reanimation to Thrawn, but it seemed with each episode he was pushing for more from them. That won't last for long. Let's see if Season 2 happens.
I think maul would be a great replacement for the son. His actions in the clone wars and rebels don’t seem to be driven by him being evil, but by the darker emotions you mentioned. He’s driven by the desire for revenge against kenobi and sidious. At the end, he has peace knowing that kenobi is protecting the new hope for the galaxy (Luke).
One of the best things the old republic games did was show that the dark side is just about letting emotions flow, good and bad. It's just that it can be a slippery slope for anger and hate. Dark side isn't necessarily evil, but you do need antagonists for storytelling. Yin and yang.
My headcanon for the son is that Maul was his embodiment. Maul came back in the same season as Mortis happened and had lots of parallels to Ahsoka as the series went on. There's not really big proofs for it, it's just a headcanon of mine that when the Son died he brought back Maul in a similar way because I find getting cut in half to be a bit less believable than someone surviving a stab
@@CelloVelo999 ah okay, I mean again it's just a headcanon of mine that I thought was cool, not trying to imply it's a real thing in the story, just something I like
Obviously, the "world between worlds" portals are the way to return home. And it's kind of frustrating that we have to watch it play out in slow motion over the next 1-2 seasons
Kylo Ren being the Son could be a tidy way to tie these new stories into the Sequels and a path to repairing Episode 9's relationship to the canon, and also literarily convenient that he's a significant "Son". It could also be worth considering Revan for the position, given that Filoni has been looking for ways to introduce him into the Canon, and if we're basing recovery of Anakin's presence in the Force as possible, not much reason Revan couldn't be either. Either way, this does sound like a satisfying path, but I think it's probably too far fetched for me to put faith in. But I do think Filoni ultimately wants to "Clone Wars" the sequels and repair their connection to the canon, the way he did with the prequels.
The son could be Maul. He knows the ways of the dark side pretty well, he regrets a lot of stuff, he cares about others specially on his death, asking confirmation about the chosen one, and he knows about his role in the universe
If Anikin’s dead and he can still replace the Father, why can’t Darth Maul replace the Son? Did he ever get a redemption arc? If not, he would be the purest dark side character, and it would give him that importance that he’s spent so much his life after Dual of the Fates whining about.
I feel like Maul and the Son were the most similar, but I don’t know if they would make him the new embodiment of the Son. Also, I think Anakin and Ahsoka wouldn’t be able to stand being around him 😂
I think The Grand Inquisitor could be a possible replacement for The Son. The last I have heard of his spirit is trapped in a dark side burning existence.
Rewatch the Mortis ark and tell me if the green power swirling around the cavern where the dagger is doesn't look just like the Night Sister magick. Possible relationship between the dagger and the sword the Mothers just gave Morgan?
We all know that Anakin has interacted with the Mortis Gods, but I’ve also always wanted to see Darth Vader interact with the Mortis Gods. The same chosen individual, but at a new point in his life. The closest we’ve seen to that is Vader seeing Morai in the final scene of the Clone Wars
Trust me on this.Go right now and rewatch the mortis episodes of CW. Turn on cc. There are so may direct lines and story parallels to Ahsoka. Even in the last episode the father says to Anakin something about being pleased with what Anakin *will be*. 100% you're on the right path. Mountains with lights in the distance, etc...
I loved the show, I just think that a weekly release was not a good idea (I know it makes sense businesswise). So many people were criticizing the pace of some episodes but when you binge watch it, it doesn't feel that way.
@@ryanchadeayne4070 I like it too, but given the length of some episodes I don't think it works as good for this show as it does for some other series (like andor or the wheel of time)
Just as a random thought, Alex. You mentioned an idea of yours, that Ahsoka could become a replacement for ‘The Sister’, but I also had an idea on that thought about Baylan. I was wondering if he could become a replacement for ‘The Brother’? Hell, maybe he thinks that he could become a replacement for ‘The Father’ (which might be why he was standing on ‘The Father’s’ arm), but in a twist, he actually becomes ‘The Brother’ instead. * Probably a bit of a stretch, I know.
I don't think the nightsisters are petty enough to vandalise the statue *on purpose* . But I do believe it's crumbling away to symbolise how much dark side energy is going on there.
Anakin ascending to become The Father actually makes a ton of sense. It would explain why we never saw him appear to Luke or Kylo Ren, and why Palpatine was able to so easily sway the latter. Anakin was never around in the boy's life to begin with.
Yeeessss i do agree. When i saw Morai i interpreted as morai as a guide. And will eventually guide ahsoka out of peridea. And while she makes her journey out of this place, she bumps into Baylin. Then boom conflict happens. I am hoping IF there is a season 2 they will recast Baylin to finish his story. For the sake of a good story, Baylin needs to be recasted
The owl thing is a messenger from the force. Telling her she is on the right path. Kanon and Ezra have wolves that helped them. Maybe Green hair boy will have a lothcat or something.
If Anakin can ascend as the Father after death, why can’t the favoured Son archetype Maul become the new Son? Maul literally parallels the Son’s arc and sympathetic-villainy. The Son is sympathetic because the Dark Side makes us miserable. It doesn’t bring happiness, it brings pain, because it’s a trap. The Son is tormented by his own actions and their consequences even while unable to resist giving in to that temptation. This is something George and Dave have discussed at length many times - how the Dark Side gives you immediate rewards but persistent suffering, because it’s inherently selfish and we don’t actually want or need that, we just think we do. What we need is love and compassion and community and support, and those arise from selflessness. So Maul was quite villainous, but we pity him, much as we pity the Son. I think there may be a new story incoming as Maul and Anakin and Ahsoka were never in the same place at the same time. As for Baylan, I don’t think he’s the Son - if anything, he’s more like the Father archetype, and if we’re not resurrecting the dead, he’d be the perfect new Father. Baylan’s imagery in Ahsoka Part 1 intentionally mirrors first Qui-Gon from the start of Episode I and then transitions to mirroring Vader’s hall sequence from Rogue One, and then to Luke rescuing the Princess from Episode IV as he frees Morgan. Baylan has shown both light and dark inside him, and has a similar sadness to him as the Father. He’s literally reflective of that role, and I think he’s just as possible as candidate for the Father as Anakin is. But if Baylan is the Father, then we can rule out Maul because we’re not resurrecting people. And Ezra’s gone home so he’s clearly not the Son. And I doubt they’d make Shin or Sabine the Son even if archetypically they might be able to go that route (as teased for Sabine’s darkness and as shown by Shin’s), since they’d be going for literal imagery of a Son character. Perhaps Ahsoka Parts 9-16 would thus introduce a new player to the mix on Peridiea and/or Mortis as we approach what looks to be the Altar of Mortis.
It has never been officially said that Ahsoka would have died if Ezra did not intervene and seeing as Ahsoka defeated Anakin during the Ahsoka show, the debate is now put to rest which of them was the greater fighter.
If that is the Daughter's statue then it was built at some point with the others long ago. And there was a period of time on Peridia where the Force and whomever lived there worshipped them all and was in balance.
What about Maul as the replacement of the sun. He is a dark side user, but not a pure sith. And he is seen having regret and even piece during his lifetime.
Honestly I think there's an argument for swapping the gender roles for the Mortis Gods. If they're simply more of representations of light, dark and the kiddle, then they can be any gender theoretically. Assuming that can be the case, I think Baylan might be the one to become the Daughter. He liked the "idea" of the Jedi order and seems to follow more like Dooku. Maybe since he's wanting to find "the beginning" he's wanting to become the TRUE embodinent of what the order was meant to be. I could then see Ahsoka becoming the father role, not fully falling to the dark side like Anakin, but seeing the flaws in the order and leading her to balance. As for the son, it would be interesting if Shin takes that role, but an even better twist would be Sabine falling to the dark side and becoming that. I could also see Sabine falling prey to the same fate as Abeloth. Feeling powerless among the fighting of these force users, Sabine bathes in the font of knowledge and becomes corrupted. Shin, Ahsoka and Baylan must team up and become the embodiments of The Mortis Gods in order to contain her. Regardless, we will be seeing the Mortis Gods (or at least their lore) return in season 2 for sure 👍
Okay but is the Mortis arc meant to be taken literally? I see most star wars youtubers do this when I view the events as a force vision or metaphor. The Daughter isn't Ahsoka any more than Starkiller is the Son. All 3 are elements of Anakin. The light, dark, and his ability to control them within himself. The Father saying he is "dying" is foreshadowing that Anakin will soon (at the end of the clone wars) lose control of his light and dark sides. The son is growing stronger because the darkness in Anakin is as well. The Daughter "dying" first is because Anakin loses access to his light first. Her "life force" passing to Ahsoka after being corrupted by the Son is meant to show that the good that was in Anakin will live on in Ahsoka - which is sorta reinforced in the Ahsoka show - The "seeds of the darkside" planted by him don't win out. So the corruption of the Son isn't her destiny, the light of the Daughter is. You can even see the accidental killing of the Daughter to reflect how Anakin didn't set about trying to deliberately snuff out the light within him. The ending with Anakin killing the Son at the same time as the Father is to sort of rhyme with how he defeats his own darkness in the end by trying to save his son. The light, dark, and balance, are all a part of Anakin's journey. I don't think this means the beings called the ones aren't real, just that the events seen weren't literally happening as everyone keeps hoping. I know Legends took it as literal, but that's the weaker interpretation of the story in my opinion. Luke didn't literally kill a Vader in the cave on Dagobah. Cal didn't literally fight his master in the Tomb of Kujet. The force loves its real seeming visions. Also to an additional point, according to the Legends "Book of the Sith" (still a potential source of inspiration), Mother Talsen says nightsisters worship BOTH the Winged Goddess (The Gryphon like form of the Daughter), and the Fanged God (The bat like form of the Son). It even says the green ichor is pulled form the Daughter, and thus the making of zombies (resurrection) comes from the Winged Goddess.
Also were they really on Mortis? Assuming it was based on a "real" place, are we sure they traveled there? Or did perhaps a probe just sort of beam a vision into their head and they really were still just floating there in space for only a few moments. Not unlike some Star Trek episodes where similar things happen.
I agree with a lot of this, but overall that people take this stuff way too literally. I don't think we should be too concerned about who's going to take what position, like it's some kind of story mystery to solve. I think it's more important to look at why that story exists and what it's saying about the characters. I also feel that Mortis was more of a vision than a literal place, and that those characters were manifestations of the Force. And that the Father offering his place to Anakin was more about Anakin's choices than about the need for a figurehead. Although yes, seeing statues of them means others have perceived these beings in some way, it still tells me that they are ways of perceiving the Force shared by multiple cultures, not a team checklist that needs to be filled out.
Baylan to me has felt more of a Father of mortis than the Son. Ahsoka is clearly the light IMO. Not sure if we have seen yet of the Dark Side embodiment yet.
Hmm, that's an interesting question and point. Morai appeared sitting on the Daugther's shoulder in the painting of _the Ones_ in _Rebels_ Their wasn't anything for _the Son_ and _the Father_ (I supoose their was another creature being the Loth-Wolves but that's something else) but that doesn't mean they don't have
Are the Mortis gods dead? Given the Mortis arch to place in some alternate, perhaps the World Between Worlds, can we really know that arch took place in what is now Ahsoka's past. Just a thought.
I still think Kylo (not a redeemed Ben) made the most sense for the son, but not sure it can happen without retcon. Baylen or Shin are the best candidates now I think.
Ahsoka was the replacement of the Daughter, just like Anakin Skywalker was the replacement of the Father, so that means Baylan Skoll will be the be the replacement of the Son, this has symbolism, to Norse Mythology, because Skoll was the name of a wolf who chased the Sun!
This is all totally possible, but why do we even NEED a replacement for them? Does the force really need Gods to keep it in order? They were all real people at one point so I’m wondering if they were just sort of self appointed gods and the universe never really needed them. I think the Mother will come into play, whether it’s Abeloth or not, and will be tied to the nightsisters. Maybe Baylon’s quest will be to replace the father but will only result in releasing the Mother, Ahsoka and Sabine will have to stop whatever it is, and I’m not sure yet how shin plays I to it all. Still hoping that she comes around and will lead the nomads as Allies to ahsoka but I could see her going full dark side. Really hoping we get a season 2 for this and not just a quick resolution in another show/comic
If Ahsoka would take the place of the Daughter that would be a funny call back to avatar the last airbender and the story of princess yue who got safed by the moon spirit and later took her place. And when I’m not mistaking did Dave Filoni co write that story
I wonder why Morai lost their tail in the shift to live action (or at least for the Ahsoka series, since it looks like the tail is there in Mando S2)... I can understand real-world reasons, but not sure about in-universe reasons
Pretty sure the son believed Palpatine was too evil to be in his place, the son was the livign embodiment of the darkside not some pure evil Psychopath like Emperor Palpatine who is pretty much the most evil person to ever exist.
So I like the weirdness of the Force gods. But I don't like how it reinforces the idea that balance in the Force means a balance between the Dark and Light. I think Lucas has made it clear, and I like the idea better, that "balance" means the eradication of the Dark. That the Dark Side is like a cancer that left unchecked will destroy the body and it needs to be removed. Not that a healthy body needs a little cancer in order to be healthy.
I still really dislike the Mortis gods contradicting that the Light Side conquering its own darkness is the balance of the force, not an actual equality between the two. I feel the father doesn’t work at all in Lucas or Canon lore whatsoever
I really enjoy seeing this tinfoil hat theorist side of you, Alex! Perhaps it comes with the fantasy territory of Ahsoka, since you always have great ideas and theories. But your theories for THIS show are just crazy and I'm loving it 🤣
“Ahsoka” was a great series. I am glad you seemed to enjoy it. Now go check out “Foundation”. The original Foundation trilogy began as a collection of short stories in the early 1940s. The final two novels were written in whole and completed in the early 1950s. The Foundation trilogy is where the roots of modern science fiction can be found, including “Dune” and especially “Star Wars.” Humaniform robots has positronic brains, just like Commander Data. I think you will be blown away by the parallels to the Star Wars Universe. The capital of the Galactic Empire is a planet-city near the galactic core. In the novels, people carry sidearms called blasters that fire energy bolts. Spaceships are powered by hyperdrives so they can travel through hyperspace across the galaxy.
So ashoka is the replacement for the daughter and anakin for the father, but the Brother….. I do not think that he has a replacement because I am not really sure that he is dead. I mean the daughter and father were killed with this „special sword“ and only this sword can kill them, but the Brother was killed with a lightsaber that means He is still alive…. (Just an opinion…)
We don't have real embodiment of the Son because there isn't one. I think he piggybacked in Anakin Skywalker leaving Mortis and was with him all the way up till Twilight of the Apprentice. That's the first time Anakin actually had positive emotions of hope when meeting Ahsoka, I firmly believe Vader wouldn't have been in a place to start questioning the emperor or hope for his son if not for the events of Rebels. The Son left Anakin and went into the body of the dead Inquisitor becoming Marrok which is why he had the same armor. Ahsoka finally defeats Marrok we see the essence of the Son leave the dead inquisitor, Shin is terrified of this revelation I don't even think she was aware he could be slain and the real reason he was is because it was only Ahsoka containing the spirit of the Daughter that could defeat him. At the end of Ahsokas series the Son is out wandering the home Galaxy or possibly in Shin dormant passively influencing her like he did Anakin, he was only able to fully posses a corpse (so far) and it explains Shins sudden need for conquest that Baylan didn't approve of.
Why don't you mention how Thrawn plants a seed of fear/doubt in Ahsoka's mind in his last words to her? I saw questions about that and how what happened to her in ep5 was supposedly negated. But that's the point. The Dark Side is never ultimately defeated. Diminished perhaps, but never extinguished.
@tylerbarse2866 Great analysis and use of Yoda's example. I realize that you think of Thrawn as a "blue fool" but he is very intelligent and understands the power of persuasion.
The force works in mysterious ways. I don't think Ahsoka is leaving Peridea so soon, if ever. I interpreted that scene as Morai telling Ahsoka that she has a purpose here, maybe even her destiny since Morai saved her from dying all those other times just so she could be in Peridea.
Wow, that remnant of the Daughter statue is a wild detail that I missed during my viewing. They definitely designed it so that it could go either way. The sleeve and armband look just like Ahsoka's, but the neckline could either be her Lekku or the Daughter's collar.
For the last few years, I have been wondering if we are going to see Ahsoka become one with the Force. After all, she was one of the voices, guiding and assisting Rey during the final battle with Sidious.
I do hope we see Ahsoka return to the known galaxy at some point. It would be great for her character to try and assist Luke's Jedi Order, but perhaps her own attitudes towards the Jedi like we've seen with Anakin unintentionally impact Luke's own fears as we see in The Last Jedi's flashback. A final duel with Kylo Ren would be a fitting final act for her, finally undrrstanding what she can't control, but knowing thanks to her experiences outside of time that there is still hope.
It’s more likely that Ahsoka is immortal and won’t die anytime soon.
I hate rey . Why don't they just erase her
@@TheChosen2030just cause you hate a character doesn’t make you right :)
@@michaelkaduck1915I think she will become the new daughter and become immortal
Morai is really interesting and I almost forget it. Glad it appeared at the end of Ahsoka.
How crazy would it be if they cast Ashley as the live action Daughter
The Mortis gods really make me realize how full circle my own Star Wars fandom has evolved… I HATED the Mortis arc when it first came out because I thought it would change the entire mythos and our perception of the force (and also cuz I was y’know… young and angry)… and then I got older and realized I loved it BECAUSE it changed the entire mythos and my perception of the force. 😅
5:16 I think "montrals" are actually the horn-like appreciate that point up at the top of a Togrutan's head, and "lekku" are the tentacle-like ones that fall down like the ones being referred to here
This is why I reject the notion put forth by some fans that Ahsoka is a Grey Jedi. She may have left the Jedi Order, but her alignment is still Light Side all the way.
Absolutely; like Qui-Gon, she's effectively more pure light-side than even the Clone Wars-era Jedi were.
Conversely, Baylan isn't a Sith, not even by association, but he's clearly fallen to the Dark Side.
With Peridia having ties to so many huge force and lord ideas, I’m wondering if this galaxy started off as the main one, with something very dangerous residing there that drove everyone (including the ones) to the current galaxy?
The Noti 😨 don't let them fool you...
They're more powerful and dangerous than anyone realized /j
@@CelloVelo999 For the time will soon come when Noti will shape the fortunes of all...
VONG????
The night sisters are matriarchal so that makes me think they’d follow the mother not the son. The absence of the daughter just seemed like an artistic choice to convey a vacancy to be filled.
I mean there is a rift between the father and the daughter, its a bit small but there could have been a missing statue and baylan indicating the night sisters fleeing could build up the mother
The mother isn’t canon though, and I don’t think she will be anytime soon because the point of the Mortis gods is to represent the light, dark, and balance, and there’s not a fourth thing for a mother to be, I know in legends she’s like a mortal that becomes some crazy force being but that story isn’t canon and I don’t think it’s the direction Dave Filoni intended for those characters
I feel like the Daugther's statue being broken [happened over time and] is just symbolism
Ahsoka did say to Sabine “We are where we need to be.” That shows that there’s a battle on two fronts - one with Thrawn and Ezra back home, and the other on Peridia with Baylan and Ashoka regarding the Force Gods.
I just had a thought and please don't blast me in the comments for it, but what if Perridia is actually Dave Filoni's version of Heliopolis from the Stargate SG-1 episode "Torment of Tantalus"? In that episode, SG-1, the heroes of the show, visit a planet where a man was trapped and learned a lot about four ancient alien races who gathered there to exchange knowledge and formed an alliance. Those races are later revealed to be alien races that still around in one way or another and SG-1 actually meets three of them; the Nox, the Asgard, and the Altarans, who later go by Lanteans and eventually the Ancients.
What if Perridia is where the Zeffo, the Nightsisters, the Bendu Sages, the Whills, met there, worshipped the Mortis Gods, and exchanged knowledge on the Force? It could explain why there's a Zeffo mural on a Nightsister Observatory temple and it could also explain why there are statues of the Mortis Gods on a mountainside.
I would've prefered if they went for a rounder smaller owl instead of this barn owl look in live action
I never thought about Ashoka , but Anakin and the father are a very interesting dynamic , like the chosen one brings balance , the father is the one that keeps that balance , there is a relationship between the two entities , and why it makes sense that after he did fulfill his destiny then anakin becomes the father and not before.
It really feels like it could definitely be the Father's monastery, though when he died, the crystal fell (and so did all levitating things on Mortis) and collapsed on the monastery before exploding. (I suppose there could be a 2nd one. Maybe one for this universe's [physical] dimension?)
I guess the Mother (Abeloth) could have gotten there, and thus, it's working again or something. Maybe she's trapped there, calling Baylan to save her (she did lure people - specifically Force users - into her prison in Legends) (tricking him).
Mortis was a plane of metaphor, an extension of the Mortis Gods, Ben, Ani, and Snips.
Peridea is real - the howlers, the Noti, the raiders, the witches, these show us the place exists beyond just being extensions of these Force Wielders and their guests.
Mortis also had weird seasons that went with the day night cycle, which Peridea does not.
I could see Peridea being the physical place of the Force Wielders while Mortis was a spiritual location they created to test Anakin and his companions.
After all, Morai still lives, and the Force itself didn’t die when the Mortis Gods did, but the Father did say so as his Son’s power grows and his Daughter’s diminishes, so does the Clone War rage and the shadow of the Sith’s return lengthens.
Mortis is a metaphor for the unbalance of the Force, but that doesn’t mean that Anakin killing Palps’ original body set everything aright. Anakin is the Chosen One, or A Chosen One - perhaps Luke and Rey are also, for prophecies are confusing and Ben and Maul seem to believe Luke actually is the One while Ani tells Rey to bring back the balance like he did. So we know Anakin had to bring back the balance too, and he brought it inside himself for sure as we saw here in Ahsoka. But perhaps now we have to see the Mortis Gods in the flesh rebuilt their sanctum.
I wonder if Ahsoka will transition into the embodiment, so to speak, of the Ashla. She has gone by the name previously, and I think if there’s some world between worlds stuff coming up it could cause the idea of the Ashla to spread.
(Edit): a question with this could be what do you think the long term plan for Ahsoka is?
i think the long term plan for ahsoka is to have her fill a gandalf-like mentor/super powerful mage who shows up once in a while, in a post-skywalker galaxy
3:58 I had forgotten about that one! Given the landscape of Peridea, it would be fitting and really cool (no pun intended) to see that image played out like a Caradhras passage for Ahsoka and Sabine.
A lot of people thing they’re hinting to Abeloth. Personally I want to see the whills and the microbiotic world. I want to see that unused concept.
I think we got that in The Clone Wars Season 6.
@@Marandahir No thats the wellspring of life which is the homeworld of midiclorians. That and Mortis is connected to this realm.
@@StuartLugsden That was my point. Wellspring of Life IS the microbiotic world of the midichlorians and the Whills (which are one and the same -- Whill was even the original name for the Force). The Force Priestesses are also called Shamans of the Whills, to boot.
@@Marandahir Its not the same place. Its pretty obvious they're not the same because George didn't say "We explored that place in the Clone Wars" when talking to James Cameron. He said that the heros would have shrunk to microscopic size and entered this microbiotic world. Yoda went to a cracked planet in a nebular and entered his core. *Edit* also the force priestesses are not the shamans of the Whills. That was never confirmed. It's all separate stuff.
IF there's a Season 2 of Asoka, I don't see the Night Sisters keeping their alliance with Thrawn for long.
Yes, they owe their reanimation to Thrawn, but it seemed with each episode he was pushing for more from them.
That won't last for long. Let's see if Season 2 happens.
You brought up some really good points in this video.
I think maul would be a great replacement for the son. His actions in the clone wars and rebels don’t seem to be driven by him being evil, but by the darker emotions you mentioned. He’s driven by the desire for revenge against kenobi and sidious. At the end, he has peace knowing that kenobi is protecting the new hope for the galaxy (Luke).
Many suggest Darth Sidious for taking the role of the son but he is just too evil for it, I think Darth Maul would be a much better fit
6:40 maybe Maul?
One of the best things the old republic games did was show that the dark side is just about letting emotions flow, good and bad. It's just that it can be a slippery slope for anger and hate. Dark side isn't necessarily evil, but you do need antagonists for storytelling. Yin and yang.
0:59 “Mystical realm” or planet in a new galaxy?🤔
Excited for a rewatch of that
Amazing study, I approve
If Anakin will be Father, then why not bring Darth Maul as the son? That would be perfect for me
Loving Alex's sunglasses tan lol
My headcanon for the son is that Maul was his embodiment. Maul came back in the same season as Mortis happened and had lots of parallels to Ahsoka as the series went on. There's not really big proofs for it, it's just a headcanon of mine that when the Son died he brought back Maul in a similar way because I find getting cut in half to be a bit less believable than someone surviving a stab
Oooh good point! Maul was hinted at in the same season as Mortis, and Ahsoka vs Maul was the climactic duel of the series. It makes sense!
Maul came back in season 4
@@StuartLugsden I thought it was the last couple episodes of 3? My bad
@@Mooinator3000He was implied to be coming back in season 3
@@CelloVelo999 ah okay, I mean again it's just a headcanon of mine that I thought was cool, not trying to imply it's a real thing in the story, just something I like
Obviously, the "world between worlds" portals are the way to return home. And it's kind of frustrating that we have to watch it play out in slow motion over the next 1-2 seasons
I never really got the whole Mortis Gods thing. Thanks for explaining it.
Kylo Ren being the Son could be a tidy way to tie these new stories into the Sequels and a path to repairing Episode 9's relationship to the canon, and also literarily convenient that he's a significant "Son". It could also be worth considering Revan for the position, given that Filoni has been looking for ways to introduce him into the Canon, and if we're basing recovery of Anakin's presence in the Force as possible, not much reason Revan couldn't be either.
Either way, this does sound like a satisfying path, but I think it's probably too far fetched for me to put faith in. But I do think Filoni ultimately wants to "Clone Wars" the sequels and repair their connection to the canon, the way he did with the prequels.
The son could be Maul. He knows the ways of the dark side pretty well, he regrets a lot of stuff, he cares about others specially on his death, asking confirmation about the chosen one, and he knows about his role in the universe
If Anikin’s dead and he can still replace the Father, why can’t Darth Maul replace the Son?
Did he ever get a redemption arc? If not, he would be the purest dark side character, and it would give him that importance that he’s spent so much his life after Dual of the Fates whining about.
Anakin, Ahsoka, and Maul are my trio for the new gods if they are to be replaced
Morai! I'm so happy to see Ahsoka has been watched over by her divine feathered friend. Maybe Morai was leading her to Peridea the whole time.
I feel like Maul and the Son were the most similar, but I don’t know if they would make him the new embodiment of the Son. Also, I think Anakin and Ahsoka wouldn’t be able to stand being around him 😂
I think The Grand Inquisitor could be a possible replacement for The Son.
The last I have heard of his spirit is trapped in a dark side burning existence.
Honestly, I just wish we could finally leave the Mortis-Arc behind us.
Birds are dinosaurs. So, Ahsoka has a little dinosaur following her
Rewatch the Mortis ark and tell me if the green power swirling around the cavern where the dagger is doesn't look just like the Night Sister magick. Possible relationship between the dagger and the sword the Mothers just gave Morgan?
We all know that Anakin has interacted with the Mortis Gods, but I’ve also always wanted to see Darth Vader interact with the Mortis Gods. The same chosen individual, but at a new point in his life. The closest we’ve seen to that is Vader seeing Morai in the final scene of the Clone Wars
Trust me on this.Go right now and rewatch the mortis episodes of CW. Turn on cc. There are so may direct lines and story parallels to Ahsoka. Even in the last episode the father says to Anakin something about being pleased with what Anakin *will be*. 100% you're on the right path. Mountains with lights in the distance, etc...
Thank you for this video.
The first person I thought of to replace the son: Maul
I loved the show, I just think that a weekly release was not a good idea (I know it makes sense businesswise). So many people were criticizing the pace of some episodes but when you binge watch it, it doesn't feel that way.
I prefer the weekly release pattern. Maybe just cause I like that it gives me something to look forward to every week tho lmao
@@ryanchadeayne4070 I like it too, but given the length of some episodes I don't think it works as good for this show as it does for some other series (like andor or the wheel of time)
They should have released the last two episodes together.
Just as a random thought, Alex. You mentioned an idea of yours, that Ahsoka could become a replacement for ‘The Sister’, but I also had an idea on that thought about Baylan. I was wondering if he could become a replacement for ‘The Brother’? Hell, maybe he thinks that he could become a replacement for ‘The Father’ (which might be why he was standing on ‘The Father’s’ arm), but in a twist, he actually becomes ‘The Brother’ instead.
* Probably a bit of a stretch, I know.
You mean the son and the daughter?
I don't think the nightsisters are petty enough to vandalise the statue *on purpose* .
But I do believe it's crumbling away to symbolise how much dark side energy is going on there.
We've got a thing that's called Jackal love...
Anakin ascending to become The Father actually makes a ton of sense. It would explain why we never saw him appear to Luke or Kylo Ren, and why Palpatine was able to so easily sway the latter. Anakin was never around in the boy's life to begin with.
Yeeessss i do agree. When i saw Morai i interpreted as morai as a guide. And will eventually guide ahsoka out of peridea. And while she makes her journey out of this place, she bumps into Baylin. Then boom conflict happens.
I am hoping IF there is a season 2 they will recast Baylin to finish his story. For the sake of a good story, Baylin needs to be recasted
The owl thing is a messenger from the force. Telling her she is on the right path. Kanon and Ezra have wolves that helped them. Maybe Green hair boy will have a lothcat or something.
If Anakin can ascend as the Father after death, why can’t the favoured Son archetype Maul become the new Son?
Maul literally parallels the Son’s arc and sympathetic-villainy.
The Son is sympathetic because the Dark Side makes us miserable. It doesn’t bring happiness, it brings pain, because it’s a trap. The Son is tormented by his own actions and their consequences even while unable to resist giving in to that temptation. This is something George and Dave have discussed at length many times - how the Dark Side gives you immediate rewards but persistent suffering, because it’s inherently selfish and we don’t actually want or need that, we just think we do. What we need is love and compassion and community and support, and those arise from selflessness.
So Maul was quite villainous, but we pity him, much as we pity the Son. I think there may be a new story incoming as Maul and Anakin and Ahsoka were never in the same place at the same time.
As for Baylan, I don’t think he’s the Son - if anything, he’s more like the Father archetype, and if we’re not resurrecting the dead, he’d be the perfect new Father. Baylan’s imagery in Ahsoka Part 1 intentionally mirrors first Qui-Gon from the start of Episode I and then transitions to mirroring Vader’s hall sequence from Rogue One, and then to Luke rescuing the Princess from Episode IV as he frees Morgan. Baylan has shown both light and dark inside him, and has a similar sadness to him as the Father. He’s literally reflective of that role, and I think he’s just as possible as candidate for the Father as Anakin is.
But if Baylan is the Father, then we can rule out Maul because we’re not resurrecting people. And Ezra’s gone home so he’s clearly not the Son. And I doubt they’d make Shin or Sabine the Son even if archetypically they might be able to go that route (as teased for Sabine’s darkness and as shown by Shin’s), since they’d be going for literal imagery of a Son character.
Perhaps Ahsoka Parts 9-16 would thus introduce a new player to the mix on Peridiea and/or Mortis as we approach what looks to be the Altar of Mortis.
The Noti 😨 don't let them fool you, they're strong with the Dark side
@CelloVelo999 just like Jar Jar
I could see Baylin being the father as he has used both sides of the force and doesn’t want to have Jedi die.
It has never been officially said that Ahsoka would have died if Ezra did not intervene and seeing as Ahsoka defeated Anakin during the Ahsoka show, the debate is now put to rest which of them was the greater fighter.
Morai at the end was epic now if the son have it’s own animal
Elect Maul for Son, 2023
Im assuming that when she said Morai saved her life it was about directing Ezra to that place in time to save her.
The Emperor wanted the World Between Worlds for something. Maybe Baylen is after that.
Fantastic video
Another amazing video
If that is the Daughter's statue then it was built at some point with the others long ago. And there was a period of time on Peridia where the Force and whomever lived there worshipped them all and was in balance.
What if the statue of the Daughter crumbled when the Son killed her in the mortis arc?
The Son and the Father died as well though
Both The Father & The Son died as well at the end by Anakin so it's not connected.
What about Maul as the replacement of the sun. He is a dark side user, but not a pure sith. And he is seen having regret and even piece during his lifetime.
Do you think ahsoka is become a new mortis god of light
Honestly I think there's an argument for swapping the gender roles for the Mortis Gods. If they're simply more of representations of light, dark and the kiddle, then they can be any gender theoretically. Assuming that can be the case, I think Baylan might be the one to become the Daughter. He liked the "idea" of the Jedi order and seems to follow more like Dooku. Maybe since he's wanting to find "the beginning" he's wanting to become the TRUE embodinent of what the order was meant to be. I could then see Ahsoka becoming the father role, not fully falling to the dark side like Anakin, but seeing the flaws in the order and leading her to balance. As for the son, it would be interesting if Shin takes that role, but an even better twist would be Sabine falling to the dark side and becoming that. I could also see Sabine falling prey to the same fate as Abeloth. Feeling powerless among the fighting of these force users, Sabine bathes in the font of knowledge and becomes corrupted. Shin, Ahsoka and Baylan must team up and become the embodiments of The Mortis Gods in order to contain her. Regardless, we will be seeing the Mortis Gods (or at least their lore) return in season 2 for sure 👍
Okay but is the Mortis arc meant to be taken literally? I see most star wars youtubers do this when I view the events as a force vision or metaphor.
The Daughter isn't Ahsoka any more than Starkiller is the Son.
All 3 are elements of Anakin. The light, dark, and his ability to control them within himself.
The Father saying he is "dying" is foreshadowing that Anakin will soon (at the end of the clone wars) lose control of his light and dark sides. The son is growing stronger because the darkness in Anakin is as well.
The Daughter "dying" first is because Anakin loses access to his light first.
Her "life force" passing to Ahsoka after being corrupted by the Son is meant to show that the good that was in Anakin will live on in Ahsoka - which is sorta reinforced in the Ahsoka show - The "seeds of the darkside" planted by him don't win out. So the corruption of the Son isn't her destiny, the light of the Daughter is.
You can even see the accidental killing of the Daughter to reflect how Anakin didn't set about trying to deliberately snuff out the light within him.
The ending with Anakin killing the Son at the same time as the Father is to sort of rhyme with how he defeats his own darkness in the end by trying to save his son.
The light, dark, and balance, are all a part of Anakin's journey.
I don't think this means the beings called the ones aren't real, just that the events seen weren't literally happening as everyone keeps hoping. I know Legends took it as literal, but that's the weaker interpretation of the story in my opinion.
Luke didn't literally kill a Vader in the cave on Dagobah. Cal didn't literally fight his master in the Tomb of Kujet. The force loves its real seeming visions.
Also to an additional point, according to the Legends "Book of the Sith" (still a potential source of inspiration), Mother Talsen says nightsisters worship BOTH the Winged Goddess (The Gryphon like form of the Daughter), and the Fanged God (The bat like form of the Son). It even says the green ichor is pulled form the Daughter, and thus the making of zombies (resurrection) comes from the Winged Goddess.
Also were they really on Mortis? Assuming it was based on a "real" place, are we sure they traveled there? Or did perhaps a probe just sort of beam a vision into their head and they really were still just floating there in space for only a few moments.
Not unlike some Star Trek episodes where similar things happen.
I agree with a lot of this, but overall that people take this stuff way too literally. I don't think we should be too concerned about who's going to take what position, like it's some kind of story mystery to solve.
I think it's more important to look at why that story exists and what it's saying about the characters. I also feel that Mortis was more of a vision than a literal place, and that those characters were manifestations of the Force. And that the Father offering his place to Anakin was more about Anakin's choices than about the need for a figurehead.
Although yes, seeing statues of them means others have perceived these beings in some way, it still tells me that they are ways of perceiving the Force shared by multiple cultures, not a team checklist that needs to be filled out.
I think the weirdest thing is that where’s sabines jetpack I’ve notice it’s not there but it would be easier in a lots of situations in the show
Baylan to me has felt more of a Father of mortis than the Son. Ahsoka is clearly the light IMO. Not sure if we have seen yet of the Dark Side embodiment yet.
Why does Sabine sense Anakin?
Just sensed something/someone' a new experience for her because her journey of experiencing the Force has slightly begun.
If this bird is the daughters avatar then wheres the Father and sons avatar? Is the Bendu the father? If not, how are they connected?
That's a really interesting idea🤔 There's a lot of mystery surrounding the Bendu
I've been asking the same question for years
I presume we just have yet to see them
Hmm, that's an interesting question and point.
Morai appeared sitting on the Daugther's shoulder in the painting of _the Ones_ in _Rebels_
Their wasn't anything for _the Son_ and _the Father_ (I supoose their was another creature being the Loth-Wolves but that's something else) but that doesn't mean they don't have
Interesting!
Are the Mortis gods dead?
Given the Mortis arch to place in some alternate, perhaps the World Between Worlds, can we really know that arch took place in what is now Ahsoka's past.
Just a thought.
I still think Kylo (not a redeemed Ben) made the most sense for the son, but not sure it can happen without retcon. Baylen or Shin are the best candidates now I think.
A lot of potential
Ahsoka was the replacement of the Daughter, just like Anakin Skywalker was the replacement of the Father, so that means Baylan Skoll will be the be the replacement of the Son, this has symbolism, to Norse Mythology, because Skoll was the name of a wolf who chased the Sun!
This is all totally possible, but why do we even NEED a replacement for them? Does the force really need Gods to keep it in order? They were all real people at one point so I’m wondering if they were just sort of self appointed gods and the universe never really needed them.
I think the Mother will come into play, whether it’s Abeloth or not, and will be tied to the nightsisters. Maybe Baylon’s quest will be to replace the father but will only result in releasing the Mother, Ahsoka and Sabine will have to stop whatever it is, and I’m not sure yet how shin plays I to it all. Still hoping that she comes around and will lead the nomads as Allies to ahsoka but I could see her going full dark side. Really hoping we get a season 2 for this and not just a quick resolution in another show/comic
If Ahsoka would take the place of the Daughter that would be a funny call back to avatar the last airbender and the story of princess yue who got safed by the moon spirit and later took her place. And when I’m not mistaking did Dave Filoni co write that story
Maybe Shin could replace the Son? Obviously she's a girl, but I doubt Force Godhood actually relies on our concepts of gender.
i love this channle
I think Morai is the Daughter reincarnated or something.
I wonder why Morai lost their tail in the shift to live action (or at least for the Ahsoka series, since it looks like the tail is there in Mando S2)... I can understand real-world reasons, but not sure about in-universe reasons
She didn’t? Her tail is still there.
@@MJJFilms guess I missed it... looked like it was missing when she flew away
The son could be replaced by the Emperor's spirit.
Pretty sure the son believed Palpatine was too evil to be in his place, the son was the livign embodiment of the darkside not some pure evil Psychopath like Emperor Palpatine who is pretty much the most evil person to ever exist.
So I like the weirdness of the Force gods. But I don't like how it reinforces the idea that balance in the Force means a balance between the Dark and Light. I think Lucas has made it clear, and I like the idea better, that "balance" means the eradication of the Dark. That the Dark Side is like a cancer that left unchecked will destroy the body and it needs to be removed. Not that a healthy body needs a little cancer in order to be healthy.
Vader literally means father
Interesting
I have a potential replacement for the son.
Shen
I still really dislike the Mortis gods contradicting that the Light Side conquering its own darkness is the balance of the force, not an actual equality between the two. I feel the father doesn’t work at all in Lucas or Canon lore whatsoever
I don't know why you're wondering how Morai saved Ahsoka's life, when you then related multiple stories where that happened.
I wonder if the Son has a "spirit animal" like the Daughter. If had to choose it would be a BLACK lothcat with red eyes.
I really enjoy seeing this tinfoil hat theorist side of you, Alex! Perhaps it comes with the fantasy territory of Ahsoka, since you always have great ideas and theories. But your theories for THIS show are just crazy and I'm loving it 🤣
Son = Ben Solo
“Ahsoka” was a great series. I am glad you seemed to enjoy it. Now go check out “Foundation”.
The original Foundation trilogy began as a collection of short stories in the early 1940s. The final two novels were written in whole and completed in the early 1950s.
The Foundation trilogy is where the roots of modern science fiction can be found, including “Dune” and especially “Star Wars.” Humaniform robots has positronic brains, just like Commander Data.
I think you will be blown away by the parallels to the Star Wars Universe. The capital of the Galactic Empire is a planet-city near the galactic core.
In the novels, people carry sidearms called blasters that fire energy bolts. Spaceships are powered by hyperdrives so they can travel through hyperspace across the galaxy.
So ashoka is the replacement for the daughter and anakin for the father, but the Brother….. I do not think that he has a replacement because I am not really sure that he is dead. I mean the daughter and father were killed with this „special sword“ and only this sword can kill them, but the Brother was killed with a lightsaber that means He is still alive….
(Just an opinion…)
Ashoka is the mother
Wren is the daughter
Ezra is the son
Maybe Anakin is the son’s replacement and Kenobi is the Father’s. We see the dark side of Anakin is still there in the world between worlds
For Pete's sake.... MORE homework?!
We don't have real embodiment of the Son because there isn't one. I think he piggybacked in Anakin Skywalker leaving Mortis and was with him all the way up till Twilight of the Apprentice. That's the first time Anakin actually had positive emotions of hope when meeting Ahsoka, I firmly believe Vader wouldn't have been in a place to start questioning the emperor or hope for his son if not for the events of Rebels. The Son left Anakin and went into the body of the dead Inquisitor becoming Marrok which is why he had the same armor. Ahsoka finally defeats Marrok we see the essence of the Son leave the dead inquisitor, Shin is terrified of this revelation I don't even think she was aware he could be slain and the real reason he was is because it was only Ahsoka containing the spirit of the Daughter that could defeat him. At the end of Ahsokas series the Son is out wandering the home Galaxy or possibly in Shin dormant passively influencing her like he did Anakin, he was only able to fully posses a corpse (so far) and it explains Shins sudden need for conquest that Baylan didn't approve of.
I thoguht that was just some rabdom bird lol
Why don't you mention how Thrawn plants a seed of fear/doubt in Ahsoka's mind in his last words to her? I saw questions about that and how what happened to her in ep5 was supposedly negated. But that's the point. The Dark Side is never ultimately defeated. Diminished perhaps, but never extinguished.
Not exactly relevant to the topic of this particular video lol (I'm just sayin' ✌️)
@@twstf8905 you miss the concept of planting a seed of an idea, don't you?
@tylerbarse2866 Great analysis and use of Yoda's example. I realize that you think of Thrawn as a "blue fool" but he is very intelligent and understands the power of persuasion.