The monk line i feel is directed toward that monk who namjoon went to so he can clear his mind just for that monk to sell namjoon thoughts to journalists. I'm pretty sure he was hurt by it like imagine telling someone something very vulnerable and that someone ditch you up for money. Evil ass freak
0:57 btw that lyric "if i feel like i'll crash into them i just step on it harder" can also be translated as "if i feel like im going to crash i just accelerate even harder" which is a reference to yoongi's lyrics in nevermind! "if you feel like you're going to crash then accelerate even harder you idiot"
for the start of lost! mv my interpretation for why they are no subtitles is that we are suppose to feel a little out of place or lost just like how bts probably felt during their english interviews. also notice the way the hosts sometimes exaggerate their smiles and then they are serious. even the korean on the mugs is written sideways
the diplomat line in groin is more so directed at the SK government since they have consistently used them for political gain and the boys have been quite critical of the government, they even enlisted before the government could decide for them and messed up their plans to further use bts for their agenda
Not just that he said in the episode with Jimin that he felt suffocated with the way people expected him to speak up for everything & always be caught up on everything in the world. The boys are put on such a pedestal we forget they are just 7 musicians from korea they can solve the worlds problems. With whats going on with a bunch of fans boycotting bts music for faults of not theirs he was calling everyone out
@@sruticranjith5194 hi I really appreciate your comment and thank you for expanding, but I do want to say as someone who is currently boycotting hybe and their music releases is that I would appreciate it if you didn't misconstrue our attempts at getting the label to divest from zionism as placing the boys on a pedestal, I truly really do love and respect them as artists and am trying to find other ways to support their art while adhering to my values, hoping to ensure that their legacy of social justice and love is respected and not ruined by their label's decisions.
@@kim-berly I have no problem with you boycotting. But if you are gonna boycott then do it properly. Which is cutting all the ties with the artists you are boycotting. You coming here, watching this reaction vid, puts money in hybe pockets anyway because loui is listening it from spotify and you are here supporting him by watching this reaction video. You are contradicting the morals you are advocating for. So please boycott properly or stop being hypocrite.
10:48 but here's the translation if you are wondering 👱♀️(eng): good evening! 👱♀️👳♂️(kor): it's a good evening! 👳♂️(eng): presenting his new solo single, 👱♀️(eng): LOST! 👳♂️(kor): i really like this song a lot haha!! 👱♀️(kor): he is performing for us tonight 👱♀️(eng): performing for us tonight 👳♂️(eng): give it up for RM
Those show hosts….im interpreting it as the fake journalists, hosts, djs, etc that BTS deal with? Like sometimes they exaggerate their excitement, and then the next minute they show their true colours when the cameras are off? Thoughts?
That’s how I’ve seen many people interpret it. But I saw a Korean reaction and they got the feeling maybe because it’s foreign media with the language barrier, that it’s so uncomfortable when they do these interviews.
i just wanna say, with the way the sk government has been trying to use them as much as possible for a long time, that's what the "not a fucking diplomat" line is referring to most likely and he doesn't want to be used to represent them cause he's just a guy and a musician. he's not saying he never wants to speak on anything ever (and also this whole album was written last year not in this current climate).
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
There is only one direct tangible way to support and artists art where they actually sense and see it and anything less is a disservice. BTS doesn't exist to play a role in your starving artist fantasy or to make you feel better. they work hard to make their art, they deserve to see tangible results for it. "Getting their label to divest from Zionism" by directly hurting and negatively impacting the very artists you claim to love and respect is giving abuser behaviour. "Oh im doing this for your own good" shit😋 will never take ANY of yalls bs seriously until yall actually move to involve fans of artists directly under 🛴 its always about YOU, isn't it. about how YOU feel, about how YOU view them in this political legacy role and aren't allowed to exist outside it, about how YOU consume their art(by stealing without giving due compensation to the artists😋) and how YOUR love is transactional with demands, trust and faith easily broken. Who gives a shit what BTS might think or feel eh? YOU conflate tannies with a company, YOU choose to treat them like zionists for someone and something they have no control over. how are YOU any different than the sk govt that kept playing with their lives, pushing an unnecessary unrelated burden onto their heads for reasons out of their control? Groin is about every asshole who doesnt let BTS and him exist as themselves free of responsibilities, always want them to play a grander role than the mere artists they are because they place them on a pedestal. yall are but another wannabe manager fan in their long list of mantis they hate tbh, stop trying to control their lives or making them pawns for your demands.
i felt that too. especially since he literally has a diplomatic passport fskjfsdf like hes just some guy who makes music, why is he in the white and blue house (not to downplay those achievements, but i get how much pressure that could be on him)
@@bignugget673 unfortunately their insane reach makes them kind of a soft power of that country and they cannot easily say no or say what they want to say that their more privileged(less scrutinised) peers could
This reminds me of those a-hole politicians trying to publicly shame the guys for not stepping in to clean the gov' mess _while they were in the middle of enlisting!_ (the jamboree fiasco).
i feel like the diplomat line wasn't about the fandom but about their government that literally gave all seven of them diplomatic passports to represent south korea's culture or something like that
And mediaplays on their name, without their input. Both they and their label weren't even _there_ when talks of idol exemption exceptions first came up but they were used as the prime example for it all. And then you have ppl in the gp criticizing _them_ for what others, esp unrelated agencies, mess up on and drag their names into!
To me, the diplomat line seems more like a dig at how everyone expected him to speak on behalf of SK. Knowing that they are regular dudes who makes music, im not expecting them to be a mouthpiece for the country as a whole. But they are humans so to say nothing while a genocide is happening? I’m holding them to the same standards as the people in my daily life. You’re right, BTS are not gods but again, they are human. That’s all you need to be to condemn what is happening. I am boycotting bc I refuse to give my money to people who are okay with what is going and continue to work with Zionists. If you choose not to boycott, that is your choice but don’t expect people to not look at you funny. Whether you admit it or not, you are choosing your comfort over the reality of what’s goin on. Artists and musicians are political. They have always been!
jonathan just to let you know, "not a fucking diplomat" is a lyric calling out the SK government and their enlistment. album was written on early 2023 and BTS have ALWAYS spoken about the injustices going on, because while they are not diplomats, they've always understood there is a power in influence and they've always strived to influence ARMYS and the general public. it's just an FYI because i still see people against boycotting to force hybe to divest from zionism and that is something BTS would never stand for, losing morals for s company to be greedier is actually what they go against in multiple of their songs, and i'm sure if they were not legally bound right now to not be able to state personal opinions due to serving in the military, they as people would be as supportive as they have been before towards Palestine. just thought to let you know, there is a difference in being a diplomat and being a good person with a healthy understanding of your influence (which he and the rest of the boys have always been). this would never be a jive against speaking yourself (which namjoon encouraged in a literal UN speech), but a jive at the people using them for political ploys.
When he says "not a fucking diplomat" he's most likely referring to how BTS are used as political pawns by the government and have been forced into being "representatives of korea" or "asian representation", and while they say that they are honoured to undertake these duties, they are also just people and such pressure is definitely a burden. Namjoon especially, as the leader and spokesperson in foreign countries as the english speaker, has to be the peacemaker and deflect pointed questions while still maintaining BTS' image. It's been really hard on him, especially when he worries about not representing his members well enough.
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
If you read as a whole. He just want speaks for himself not as a group too, cause he just a person who make music and his words nothing to do with bts and didnt represent them.
@@just000z yes that’s why I said “Namjoon especially”. they all feel it but obviously he’s talking about his personal experience. are you a solo or what??
I dare say the quality, production & layers of this album is top tier and should be nominated on Grammys. RM’s bringing back his dark side (as rapmon) with a more polish touch. He then add - feeling lost in the journey, character growth, reassurance and coming back to his true self. His musical boundaries shows no limits and he continue to surprise me. Also, you cracked me with short hair Namjoona lol 😂
It's true that I treat them as Gods. As my God. But that doesn't mean I expect them to be perfect.. They r human beings and they are allowed to live their lives their own way, make mistakes, fall in love, fall out of love, go crazy and mess up... I just know that they have basic morals and principles that they will always stand by, and that's all I need.. I want them to live their own lives... I will always be there for them, even if they fall... 💜
okay this is a crazy ass statement please do some self reflection and realize that's not a healthy outlook nor do bts want to be seen as deities... esp w how vulnerable joon is ab wanting to be a normal guy man come on
@@pistachiohno0613 What I do is my own decision and I don't want anyone to feel awkward about it. Plus the meaning of God can be different to you than me. I have always been an atheist. They made me believe in something that nothing else could. They helped me live when I couldn't. That's why I put them in the apostle. My apostle is not that high that they will fall into an endless pit. If they wanted to be ordinary they would not have become celebrities. They just don't want to be treated as they can never make any mistakes..
@@pistachiohno0613 In our culture we see them as our own truth and our god whom we truly love... So I don't see it as a toxic obsession but a way to show their importance in my life. I want them to be happy and live a full life with a person they love and with the passion they follow.. I just want to support them as much as they supported me without even knowing when I was at the edge of a cliff... 💜
While I don't go that far (being actual religious), I definitely agree that they have consistently shown themselves to be basically good ppl, and they should be allowed to be normal as anyone else.
Sorry for the really long ass comment but if you want to know most of the tea, here's the context of this song : He's definitely dissing some people. For the lyrics of the whole album in general we are getting the idea that he got his heart broken and it was a toxic relationship for a long time but now he's free and venting everything. Also, this is mostly of how pressured he felt as a leader of bts bc of all the weight of expectations and responsibilities. BTS has worked so hard and RM got really burned out the last years and he had to take some time alone to discovered himself again. BTS is the biggest group in the world right now and since 2017 they have received recognition for the economic contributions to the country, contributions to spreading Korean culture and language around the world through their music and performances and for helping to popularize K-pop on a global scale. Because of this they ended up receiving the "Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit" from the President of South Korea in 2018. This is like a huge prestigious award and the ones who have been previously awarded have DECADES of experience while BTS at that time only had 5, which makes BTS the youngest recipients ever. They are also the first and only singers in the "idol music" that have made it Anyways, years later other kpop companies asked for a military exemption for idols using BTS' achievements (BTS' company never participated in that). Bc of this the "BTS law" was created. The government decided that K-pop stars can postpone their military service until age 30 if they have that culture merit award. Then the companies complained saying that "It was unrealistic and that it was a law just for BTS" how ironic when they were the ones using their achievements to get benefited lmao. nevertheless after BTS was getting bigger and bigger, politicians suddenly started discussing a military exemption for them which caused a divided public opinion. They got a lot of hate fo this for YEARS even when they never asked for it. RM has represented the group many times as the leader, he worked nonstop and also did a lot of speeches even at the the UN and the white house. BTS end up getting diplomatic passports and they are proud of that but also feel the pressure. The thing is that people started mixing BTS with politics and stuff and that's when RM said like "hold on, I'm just a normal boy that loves to rap and sing, I'm not a politician". That's the line: "Not a fcking diplomat. I just made it and now they are pressuring me to step up, Like I represent something? All I represent is myself" For example: The South Korean Government used BTS to do a free concert in the city of Busan to benefit in some "World expo", but the organization was terrible and the worst is that they didn't want to pay anything, so BTS and their company had to do it. Many people ended up blaming them instead of the politicians that planned everything in the first place. After that, BTS announced their decision to enlist to the military service. That took for surprised the government and left politicians embarrassed for never taking a decision lol. Of course they tried to benefit of them again asking BTS to do the military service AND free concerts despite BTS mentioned they needed a break and that's why they were on a "hiatus" This makes me so mad. Also about the line: "Not a fcking monk. Speaking of me, the things they say get misconstrued" It probably refers when RM went to a temple and some monks knew he was going to visited them and secretly contacted the media and reporters. They secretly took pictures of RM and a monk literally leaked the private conversation he had with RM talking about his worries, the military service and stuff. RM later saw that and shared on his IG stories: "“i was thankful for the good time but i didn't expect an article to be published about it next time, i will go to another temple quietly.. #lowkeymustbelowkey”. You can tell he was pissed and honestly fck those monks- Namjoon is tired of people not treating him as a human, he deserves respect and privacy too.
wanted to talk about this too in your stream but it got too overwhelming, so I'll say it here. these are my thoughts on your interpretation of the diplomat line: you assumed that the diplomat line was meant for people who expect them to speak up about humanitarian issues. this can't be true if you know the meaning of the word 'diplomat' and would also have terrible implications IF he meant it the way you think he did. activism ≠ diplomacy. you said that people treat him like god. i'm assuming that it's about people wanting bts to speak about humanitarian issues. i'm not treating myself or my friends & family like god when i say that it is our responsibility as humans to speak up for other humans. i would argue that the people who would excuse them from this common human responsibility are the ones treating them like gods. these expectations don't come from a place of viewing them as gods. it's genuinely from a place of desperation. no one made any demands for the first few months. now, we have 5 armys we need to help evacuate from gaza & it's not like we have all the time in the world. donations are trickling in so slowly. none of us are millionaires... we need all the help we can get.
1:34 people on twitter using the diplomat line as a gotcha moment saying bts and joon don't wanna be political but?? their lyrics have always been political?? and will likely continue to be so? dismissing songs like n.o. , baepsae, am I wrong, strange, and hell even their debut w/ no more dream is so disingenuous. hiphop is inherently political anyway so idk what they're tryna get at lmfaoo ☠ I didn't even realize ppl were making that association as some sort of attack at pro boycott armys until I got on twitter and saw stupid ass takes (cause mind you he wrote this like early last year)☠ swear half of them don't know what a diplomat is or have ever taken a single international relations class in they liveesss 😭 I knew as soon as I read the lyrics that he was referring to how the sk gvmt and hybe continues to take advantage of bts' reach by putting bts (and most specifically joon) in positions where they're representatives of the country or as tourist pulls, esp w the busan expo and the baiting bts with exemptions so they could stay active as long as possible. when joon comes back I hope he's able to represent HIMSELF and HIS beliefs he's passionate about like reunification w/o getting harassed by the public
There is a big difference between him wanting to talk about a political issue in a song and people making him take a political stance in any issue that comes around. It's clear he doesn't want that responsibility. Listening to him talk to Jimin makes it clear it's not only about the government.
@@30sARMY well yeah? i do hope by politics u mean involving politicians and policies, and not humanitarian issues that every human should advocate for. but other than that yeah he’s only one person and shouldn’t have every political conflict he isn’t directly involved in pinned on him :) diplomacy and advocacy are not the same thing
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
Ppl need to let BTS exist outside of the boxes they build for them. just because they once sung political songs(mind you the only time they've ever been political is when it relates to their own country) doesnt mean they seek to stay political throughout their careers btw. there's multiple interpretations and possibilities to everything yours or mine is not the only valid one😋 people change or they can decide to keep their personal political stances out of scrutiny entirely or they can choose to be louder or they can simply decide to be their own rep alone.
There is only one direct tangible way to support and artists art where they actually sense and see it and anything less is a disservice. BTS doesn't exist to play a role in your starving artist fantasy or to make you feel better. they work hard to make their art, they deserve to see tangible results for it. "Getting their label to divest from Zionism" by directly hurting and negatively impacting the very artists you claim to love and respect is giving abuser behaviour. "Oh im doing this for your own good" shit😋 will never take ANY of yalls bs seriously until yall actually move to involve fans of artists directly under 🛴 its always about YOU, isn't it. about how YOU feel, about how YOU view them in this political legacy role and aren't allowed to exist outside it, about how YOU consume their art(by stealing without giving due compensation to the artists😋) and how YOUR love is transactional with demands, trust and faith easily broken. Who gives a shit what BTS might think or feel eh? YOU conflate tannies with a company, YOU choose to treat them like zionists for someone and something they have no control over. how are YOU any different than the sk govt that kept playing with their lives, pushing an unnecessary unrelated burden onto their heads for reasons out of their control? Groin is about every asshole who doesnt let BTS and him exist as themselves free of responsibilities, always want them to play a grander role than the mere artists they are because they place them on a pedestal. yall are but another wannabe manager fan in their long list of mantis they hate tbh, stop trying to control their lives or making them pawns for your demands.
so what you're saying is that months into a genocide, a bts member released a song that's saying he refuses to speak up because he's not a diplomat? even though this song was written before all of this & is more likely to be a jab at the government who wants bts to clear up their mess. as an army, i wouldn't twist his words like this.
@@loredell calling us the 'word twisters' after twisting his words. classic. do keep it in army spaces though. i wouldn't want outsiders to think that the tannies are insensitive just because you people love misinterpreting their words.
Army is a terrible fandom towards him. He works the hardest. The fandom demands him and only him a lot, but supports him the least. The fandom loves the other 6 and love to attach them to nj’s intelligence and talent, but the fandom protect them and treat them like babies while always throwing rm under the bus and using him as the shield for the other 6. This fandom wants him to say and act any way they want, and if he doesn’t, they attack him and only him. The fandom has done boycott and hate campaigns towards him since the beginning. They just made a whole hate campaign bc … he shared a Frank ocean song on his IG. Everytime he shares a song (he always love to do this), the fandom does a background check on any artist and starts harrasing nj. Anyway, army is a kpop fandom who only care about manufactured kpop boys.
1:35 i hope you also don't misunderstand his lyrics which he hates, the diplomate line is for the SK greedy government and how they treat them Edit: Others saying other assh0les also treat him harshly, i never disagreed with that however by the literal definition of "Diplomat" I do think its about the SK using them for Expo also when they pressured them to perform while in military 🪖.. Of course there are many other examples and I am not dismissing them as well
I agree with diplomat line but...I hope you dont misunderstand too ... In stating 'I only represent myself,' he clarifies that his identity is solely tied to his individuality and artistry, not the myriad expectations some are placing upon him.
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Don't forget that 'monk' who Namjoon saw privately & he sold his story to the papers. So a dig at him, too!😂
Yes caught that too.. so many missed that line unfortunately 😅
@@ytd1405 MMM problaly nobody missed it? At least army who's been here for 1y+ I mean.
The monk line i feel is directed toward that monk who namjoon went to so he can clear his mind just for that monk to sell namjoon thoughts to journalists. I'm pretty sure he was hurt by it like imagine telling someone something very vulnerable and that someone ditch you up for money. Evil ass freak
11:58 LOUITA'S "OMG SLAY" needs to be it's own sound bite for the streams
0:57 btw that lyric "if i feel like i'll crash into them i just step on it harder" can also be translated as "if i feel like im going to crash i just accelerate even harder" which is a reference to yoongi's lyrics in nevermind! "if you feel like you're going to crash then accelerate even harder you idiot"
I thought about yoongi's nvm lyrics the moment I read the lyrics too!!! I love how they get inspired by eo.
12:07 BE NICE TO LOUITAAAAA
for the start of lost! mv my interpretation for why they are no subtitles is that we are suppose to feel a little out of place or lost just like how bts probably felt during their english interviews.
also notice the way the hosts sometimes exaggerate their smiles and then they are serious.
even the korean on the mugs is written sideways
That’s definitely my interpretation!
"RM GROIN IS ON FIRE" was trending earlier on twitter😭
the diplomat line in groin is more so directed at the SK government since they have consistently used them for political gain and the boys have been quite critical of the government, they even enlisted before the government could decide for them and messed up their plans to further use bts for their agenda
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Not just that he said in the episode with Jimin that he felt suffocated with the way people expected him to speak up for everything & always be caught up on everything in the world. The boys are put on such a pedestal we forget they are just 7 musicians from korea they can solve the worlds problems. With whats going on with a bunch of fans boycotting bts music for faults of not theirs he was calling everyone out
@@sruticranjith5194 hi I really appreciate your comment and thank you for expanding, but I do want to say as someone who is currently boycotting hybe and their music releases is that I would appreciate it if you didn't misconstrue our attempts at getting the label to divest from zionism as placing the boys on a pedestal, I truly really do love and respect them as artists and am trying to find other ways to support their art while adhering to my values, hoping to ensure that their legacy of social justice and love is respected and not ruined by their label's decisions.
@@kim-berly I have no problem with you boycotting. But if you are gonna boycott then do it properly. Which is cutting all the ties with the artists you are boycotting. You coming here, watching this reaction vid, puts money in hybe pockets anyway because loui is listening it from spotify and you are here supporting him by watching this reaction video. You are contradicting the morals you are advocating for.
So please boycott properly or stop being hypocrite.
And to everyone who expects them to speak up about every issue and crisis in the world. They are expected to solve the world problems. It’s insanity.
10:48
but here's the translation if you are wondering
👱♀️(eng): good evening!
👱♀️👳♂️(kor): it's a good evening!
👳♂️(eng): presenting his new solo single,
👱♀️(eng): LOST!
👳♂️(kor): i really like this song a lot haha!!
👱♀️(kor): he is performing for us tonight
👱♀️(eng): performing for us tonight
👳♂️(eng): give it up for RM
Those show hosts….im interpreting it as the fake journalists, hosts, djs, etc that BTS deal with? Like sometimes they exaggerate their excitement, and then the next minute they show their true colours when the cameras are off? Thoughts?
That’s how I’ve seen many people interpret it.
But I saw a Korean reaction and they got the feeling maybe because it’s foreign media with the language barrier, that it’s so uncomfortable when they do these interviews.
i just wanna say, with the way the sk government has been trying to use them as much as possible for a long time, that's what the "not a fucking diplomat" line is referring to most likely and he doesn't want to be used to represent them cause he's just a guy and a musician. he's not saying he never wants to speak on anything ever (and also this whole album was written last year not in this current climate).
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
There is only one direct tangible way to support and artists art where they actually sense and see it and anything less is a disservice. BTS doesn't exist to play a role in your starving artist fantasy or to make you feel better. they work hard to make their art, they deserve to see tangible results for it.
"Getting their label to divest from Zionism" by directly hurting and negatively impacting the very artists you claim to love and respect is giving abuser behaviour. "Oh im doing this for your own good" shit😋 will never take ANY of yalls bs seriously until yall actually move to involve fans of artists directly under 🛴
its always about YOU, isn't it. about how YOU feel, about how YOU view them in this political legacy role and aren't allowed to exist outside it, about how YOU consume their art(by stealing without giving due compensation to the artists😋) and how YOUR love is transactional with demands, trust and faith easily broken. Who gives a shit what BTS might think or feel eh?
YOU conflate tannies with a company, YOU choose to treat them like zionists for someone and something they have no control over.
how are YOU any different than the sk govt that kept playing with their lives, pushing an unnecessary unrelated burden onto their heads for reasons out of their control? Groin is about every asshole who doesnt let BTS and him exist as themselves free of responsibilities, always want them to play a grander role than the mere artists they are because they place them on a pedestal.
yall are but another wannabe manager fan in their long list of mantis they hate tbh, stop trying to control their lives or making them pawns for your demands.
i felt that too. especially since he literally has a diplomatic passport fskjfsdf like hes just some guy who makes music, why is he in the white and blue house (not to downplay those achievements, but i get how much pressure that could be on him)
@@bignugget673 unfortunately their insane reach makes them kind of a soft power of that country and they cannot easily say no or say what they want to say that their more privileged(less scrutinised) peers could
This reminds me of those a-hole politicians trying to publicly shame the guys for not stepping in to clean the gov' mess _while they were in the middle of enlisting!_ (the jamboree fiasco).
This album feels like it’s waking up the neurons in my brain
LOUITA SAYING "oh my god slaaayyy~" IN THE SOFTEST VOICE EVER IS KILLING MEEE HAHAHAHA
i feel like the diplomat line wasn't about the fandom but about their government that literally gave all seven of them diplomatic passports to represent south korea's culture or something like that
And mediaplays on their name, without their input.
Both they and their label weren't even _there_ when talks of idol exemption exceptions first came up but they were used as the prime example for it all.
And then you have ppl in the gp criticizing _them_ for what others, esp unrelated agencies, mess up on and drag their names into!
Dkslxjxlsl your improv to Louita was so QUICK and resigned 😂😂 I love it so much
To me, the diplomat line seems more like a dig at how everyone expected him to speak on behalf of SK. Knowing that they are regular dudes who makes music, im not expecting them to be a mouthpiece for the country as a whole. But they are humans so to say nothing while a genocide is happening? I’m holding them to the same standards as the people in my daily life. You’re right, BTS are not gods but again, they are human. That’s all you need to be to condemn what is happening. I am boycotting bc I refuse to give my money to people who are okay with what is going and continue to work with Zionists. If you choose not to boycott, that is your choice but don’t expect people to not look at you funny.
Whether you admit it or not, you are choosing your comfort over the reality of what’s goin on.
Artists and musicians are political. They have always been!
jonathan just to let you know, "not a fucking diplomat" is a lyric calling out the SK government and their enlistment.
album was written on early 2023 and BTS have ALWAYS spoken about the injustices going on, because while they are not diplomats, they've always understood there is a power in influence and they've always strived to influence ARMYS and the general public.
it's just an FYI because i still see people against boycotting to force hybe to divest from zionism and that is something BTS would never stand for, losing morals for s company to be greedier is actually what they go against in multiple of their songs, and i'm sure if they were not legally bound right now to not be able to state personal opinions due to serving in the military, they as people would be as supportive as they have been before towards Palestine.
just thought to let you know, there is a difference in being a diplomat and being a good person with a healthy understanding of your influence (which he and the rest of the boys have always been).
this would never be a jive against speaking yourself (which namjoon encouraged in a literal UN speech), but a jive at the people using them for political ploys.
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9:59 LOST!
YOUR EDITING CRACKS ME UP everytime, even if it's a small thing :*
When he says "not a fucking diplomat" he's most likely referring to how BTS are used as political pawns by the government and have been forced into being "representatives of korea" or "asian representation", and while they say that they are honoured to undertake these duties, they are also just people and such pressure is definitely a burden. Namjoon especially, as the leader and spokesperson in foreign countries as the english speaker, has to be the peacemaker and deflect pointed questions while still maintaining BTS' image. It's been really hard on him, especially when he worries about not representing his members well enough.
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
If you read as a whole. He just want speaks for himself not as a group too, cause he just a person who make music and his words nothing to do with bts and didnt represent them.
@@just000z yes that’s why I said “Namjoon especially”. they all feel it but obviously he’s talking about his personal experience. are you a solo or what??
I dare say the quality, production & layers of this album is top tier and should be nominated on Grammys. RM’s bringing back his dark side (as rapmon) with a more polish touch. He then add - feeling lost in the journey, character growth, reassurance and coming back to his true self. His musical boundaries shows no limits and he continue to surprise me. Also, you cracked me with short hair Namjoona lol 😂
Nice reaction as always💜💜
#JusticeForLouita
but also, the album I've been WAITING for Joon to do, some hella interesting music~
GROIN MV!!!!!!!!
💜🇧🇷💜RM is so so good!!! Unbelievable talented. Thanks
I was ike, yeeeppp this is RM from the underground maaaan 😂 the duck killed me 🤣
YOU DONT NEED TO BE A DIPLOMAT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
agreed. it's sad that people are interpreting it that way.
It's true that I treat them as Gods. As my God. But that doesn't mean I expect them to be perfect.. They r human beings and they are allowed to live their lives their own way, make mistakes, fall in love, fall out of love, go crazy and mess up... I just know that they have basic morals and principles that they will always stand by, and that's all I need.. I want them to live their own lives... I will always be there for them, even if they fall... 💜
okay this is a crazy ass statement please do some self reflection and realize that's not a healthy outlook nor do bts want to be seen as deities... esp w how vulnerable joon is ab wanting to be a normal guy man come on
@@pistachiohno0613 What I do is my own decision and I don't want anyone to feel awkward about it. Plus the meaning of God can be different to you than me. I have always been an atheist. They made me believe in something that nothing else could. They helped me live when I couldn't. That's why I put them in the apostle. My apostle is not that high that they will fall into an endless pit. If they wanted to be ordinary they would not have become celebrities. They just don't want to be treated as they can never make any mistakes..
@@pistachiohno0613 In our culture we see them as our own truth and our god whom we truly love... So I don't see it as a toxic obsession but a way to show their importance in my life. I want them to be happy and live a full life with a person they love and with the passion they follow.. I just want to support them as much as they supported me without even knowing when I was at the edge of a cliff... 💜
@@SGOT7ARMY i get what you mean. Maybe bcz we treated them as one of our family like us with my family.
While I don't go that far (being actual religious), I definitely agree that they have consistently shown themselves to be basically good ppl, and they should be allowed to be normal as anyone else.
I want to dedicate Groin to MHJ and her hate train campaign against BTS
Sorry for the really long ass comment but if you want to know most of the tea, here's the context of this song :
He's definitely dissing some people. For the lyrics of the whole album in general we are getting the idea that he got his heart broken and it was a toxic relationship for a long time but now he's free and venting everything. Also, this is mostly of how pressured he felt as a leader of bts bc of all the weight of expectations and responsibilities. BTS has worked so hard and RM got really burned out the last years and he had to take some time alone to discovered himself again.
BTS is the biggest group in the world right now and since 2017 they have received recognition for the economic contributions to the country, contributions to spreading Korean culture and language around the world through their music and performances and for helping to popularize K-pop on a global scale. Because of this they ended up receiving the "Hwagwan Order of Cultural Merit" from the President of South Korea in 2018. This is like a huge prestigious award and the ones who have been previously awarded have DECADES of experience while BTS at that time only had 5, which makes BTS the youngest recipients ever. They are also the first and only singers in the "idol music" that have made it
Anyways, years later other kpop companies asked for a military exemption for idols using BTS' achievements (BTS' company never participated in that). Bc of this the "BTS law" was created. The government decided that K-pop stars can postpone their military service until age 30 if they have that culture merit award. Then the companies complained saying that "It was unrealistic and that it was a law just for BTS" how ironic when they were the ones using their achievements to get benefited lmao. nevertheless after BTS was getting bigger and bigger, politicians suddenly started discussing a military exemption for them which caused a divided public opinion. They got a lot of hate fo this for YEARS even when they never asked for it.
RM has represented the group many times as the leader, he worked nonstop and also did a lot of speeches even at the the UN and the white house. BTS end up getting diplomatic passports and they are proud of that but also feel the pressure. The thing is that people started mixing BTS with politics and stuff and that's when RM said like "hold on, I'm just a normal boy that loves to rap and sing, I'm not a politician".
That's the line: "Not a fcking diplomat. I just made it and now they are pressuring me to step up, Like I represent something? All I represent is myself"
For example: The South Korean Government used BTS to do a free concert in the city of Busan to benefit in some "World expo", but the organization was terrible and the worst is that they didn't want to pay anything, so BTS and their company had to do it. Many people ended up blaming them instead of the politicians that planned everything in the first place. After that, BTS announced their decision to enlist to the military service. That took for surprised the government and left politicians embarrassed for never taking a decision lol. Of course they tried to benefit of them again asking BTS to do the military service AND free concerts despite BTS mentioned they needed a break and that's why they were on a "hiatus" This makes me so mad.
Also about the line: "Not a fcking monk. Speaking of me, the things they say get misconstrued"
It probably refers when RM went to a temple and some monks knew he was going to visited them and secretly contacted the media and reporters. They secretly took pictures of RM and a monk literally leaked the private conversation he had with RM talking about his worries, the military service and stuff. RM later saw that and shared on his IG stories: "“i was thankful for the good time but i didn't expect an article to be published about it next time, i will go to another temple quietly.. #lowkeymustbelowkey”.
You can tell he was pissed and honestly fck those monks- Namjoon is tired of people not treating him as a human, he deserves respect and privacy too.
11:52 I cried laughing, thank you.
OMG SLAAAYYY
LOUITA OMG SLAYYY😭😭
#BeNiceToLouita
#JusticeForLouita
genius lyrics completely misses the lyrics for part of groin tbhh the bang san/g line is funny asf considering the breadwinner scheme
That's LOUITA??? XD
I feel Groin is also calling out ppl who ride on BTS coat tails only for their own agendas.
louita😭😭💀💀💀
I loovvee chocolate Kim Army😍😍😍😍😍
can you listen to his song with colde?
Lyrics in Groin trasnlate off a lot. Check Doolset Lyric when it comes up, please cuz there is so much to it.
I have crush on LOUITA.
wanted to talk about this too in your stream but it got too overwhelming, so I'll say it here.
these are my thoughts on your interpretation of the diplomat line:
you assumed that the diplomat line was meant for people who expect them to speak up about humanitarian issues. this can't be true if you know the meaning of the word 'diplomat' and would also have terrible implications IF he meant it the way you think he did. activism ≠ diplomacy.
you said that people treat him like god. i'm assuming that it's about people wanting bts to speak about humanitarian issues. i'm not treating myself or my friends & family like god when i say that it is our responsibility as humans to speak up for other humans.
i would argue that the people who would excuse them from this common human responsibility are the ones treating them like gods.
these expectations don't come from a place of viewing them as gods. it's genuinely from a place of desperation. no one made any demands for the first few months. now, we have 5 armys we need to help evacuate from gaza & it's not like we have all the time in the world. donations are trickling in so slowly. none of us are millionaires... we need all the help we can get.
1:34 people on twitter using the diplomat line as a gotcha moment saying bts and joon don't wanna be political but?? their lyrics have always been political?? and will likely continue to be so? dismissing songs like n.o. , baepsae, am I wrong, strange, and hell even their debut w/ no more dream is so disingenuous. hiphop is inherently political anyway so idk what they're tryna get at lmfaoo ☠ I didn't even realize ppl were making that association as some sort of attack at pro boycott armys until I got on twitter and saw stupid ass takes (cause mind you he wrote this like early last year)☠ swear half of them don't know what a diplomat is or have ever taken a single international relations class in they liveesss 😭 I knew as soon as I read the lyrics that he was referring to how the sk gvmt and hybe continues to take advantage of bts' reach by putting bts (and most specifically joon) in positions where they're representatives of the country or as tourist pulls, esp w the busan expo and the baiting bts with exemptions so they could stay active as long as possible. when joon comes back I hope he's able to represent HIMSELF and HIS beliefs he's passionate about like reunification w/o getting harassed by the public
There is a big difference between him wanting to talk about a political issue in a song and people making him take a political stance in any issue that comes around. It's clear he doesn't want that responsibility. Listening to him talk to Jimin makes it clear it's not only about the government.
@@30sARMY well yeah? i do hope by politics u mean involving politicians and policies, and not humanitarian issues that every human should advocate for.
but other than that yeah he’s only one person and shouldn’t have every political conflict he isn’t directly involved in pinned on him :) diplomacy and advocacy are not the same thing
its definitely directed towards every asshole who throws grand responsibilities onto him when he just wishes to exist as an artist. many, like the sk govt, but many others too, seek to play with their lives, treat them like pawns, how they forced an unasked for burden onto them(just like the Busan expo.....groin addresses them ALL.
Ppl need to let BTS exist outside of the boxes they build for them. just because they once sung political songs(mind you the only time they've ever been political is when it relates to their own country) doesnt mean they seek to stay political throughout their careers btw. there's multiple interpretations and possibilities to everything yours or mine is not the only valid one😋 people change or they can decide to keep their personal political stances out of scrutiny entirely or they can choose to be louder or they can simply decide to be their own rep alone.
There is only one direct tangible way to support and artists art where they actually sense and see it and anything less is a disservice. BTS doesn't exist to play a role in your starving artist fantasy or to make you feel better. they work hard to make their art, they deserve to see tangible results for it.
"Getting their label to divest from Zionism" by directly hurting and negatively impacting the very artists you claim to love and respect is giving abuser behaviour. "Oh im doing this for your own good" shit😋 will never take ANY of yalls bs seriously until yall actually move to involve fans of artists directly under 🛴
its always about YOU, isn't it. about how YOU feel, about how YOU view them in this political legacy role and aren't allowed to exist outside it, about how YOU consume their art(by stealing without giving due compensation to the artists😋) and how YOUR love is transactional with demands, trust and faith easily broken. Who gives a shit what BTS might think or feel eh?
YOU conflate tannies with a company, YOU choose to treat them like zionists for someone and something they have no control over.
how are YOU any different than the sk govt that kept playing with their lives, pushing an unnecessary unrelated burden onto their heads for reasons out of their control? Groin is about every asshole who doesnt let BTS and him exist as themselves free of responsibilities, always want them to play a grander role than the mere artists they are because they place them on a pedestal.
yall are but another wannabe manager fan in their long list of mantis they hate tbh, stop trying to control their lives or making them pawns for your demands.
Bro you in a skirt LOL love it
But you're mean to LOUITA tho!!!
Groin is for the boycotters (among others), let's go!!!!
so what you're saying is that months into a genocide, a bts member released a song that's saying he refuses to speak up because he's not a diplomat? even though this song was written before all of this & is more likely to be a jab at the government who wants bts to clear up their mess. as an army, i wouldn't twist his words like this.
@@june3894 it's for them to listen to.
But alas y'all hypocrites and word twisters.
Bye
@@loredell calling us the 'word twisters' after twisting his words. classic. do keep it in army spaces though. i wouldn't want outsiders to think that the tannies are insensitive just because you people love misinterpreting their words.
@@june3894 nobody thinks that, and it's BTS for you. Y'all are full fledge antis.
@@loredell it's what your interpretation of the line implies, so you should be careful if you're pretending you care about the tannies.
Army is a terrible fandom towards him. He works the hardest. The fandom demands him and only him a lot, but supports him the least. The fandom loves the other 6 and love to attach them to nj’s intelligence and talent, but the fandom protect them and treat them like babies while always throwing rm under the bus and using him as the shield for the other 6. This fandom wants him to say and act any way they want, and if he doesn’t, they attack him and only him. The fandom has done boycott and hate campaigns towards him since the beginning. They just made a whole hate campaign bc … he shared a Frank ocean song on his IG. Everytime he shares a song (he always love to do this), the fandom does a background check on any artist and starts harrasing nj. Anyway, army is a kpop fandom who only care about manufactured kpop boys.
How old r u like 12 ? Plz stop with your bullshit.
1:35 i hope you also don't misunderstand his lyrics which he hates, the diplomate line is for the SK greedy government and how they treat them
Edit: Others saying other assh0les also treat him harshly, i never disagreed with that however by the literal definition of "Diplomat" I do think its about the SK using them for Expo also when they pressured them to perform while in military 🪖.. Of course there are many other examples and I am not dismissing them as well
I agree with diplomat line but...I hope you dont misunderstand too ...
In stating 'I only represent myself,' he clarifies that his identity is solely tied to his individuality and artistry, not the myriad expectations some are placing upon him.
@@shine-ow3kq indeed he has expressed in MMM how being a leader has put so much of pressure onto him, he needs and deserves peace
It is for army
@@Lalamendez201 it can't be since he went to military 🪖 quite early on, please don't twist his words he already hates it
@@namjooningOT7 you are the one twisting it. He is talking in general, and I’m sure he is dissing this stupid fandom too
Pls don't forget to react to BTS video game soundtrack album "BTS WORLD" with 14 tracks.