I always watch back the games I lost. It helps me look at my own game and realize my own mistakes better. It still doesn't help me with the general concepts like map awareness or ganks or which objectives should we have taken first but it helps a lot in terms of the little mistakes that might add up.
me too, i realize it was my mistakes like ward placement, dewarding, itemization and so on. And i always learn from my losing game that i am a part of team mistakes.
@@plontschable In the short term it'll feel that way, but over the long term you'll gain thousands of points of MMR. Keep in mind there's people who have played dota for 10 years and are still hardstuck in crusader, it's because those people never bother to reflect on what went wrong and how to get better.
I strongly agree at 5:48. I teach statistics ang probability in college. What is the chance that you will get a heads when you toss a coin? 50% But if you toss 20 times, it's not gonna be 10 heads - 10 tails, instead it'll be 14-7, or 5-15. But toss 300 times, you will have 140-160 or 158-142, etc. Similarly, in the long run, you will be converged to your real mmr. So you gain mmr not by having good teammates, you gain mmr by polishing your skills, learning new skills, and unlearning bad habits.
I loved this video! I watched it as half educational video / half roast of a large portion of the community, which felt great. Because let's be honest, support players get a lot of smack from carry players, even if the carries make the mistakes.
Figuring out when you're the 30% contribution or the 13% contribution is something I struggle with because often times teammates/opponents will tell you you're horrible regardless of the truth of it.
For sure, digging through the useless flaming and trying to objectively look at whether it's valid criticism or not is rough. I think that's where replay analysis/coaching is helpful to let you know what you are doing right or wrong. I think until you have a good understanding of the game, it's a little hard to do yourself. Though the way I approached, I would take my best guess of whether I thought I was the 30% or not, and go off of that. If I'm right, if I'm the 30%, then I'll climb. If I don't climb after a bit, I am forced to re-evaluate that perhaps I'm lower down
I don't think you can learn much from most teammates tbh, most of them are either going to be at your level or worse, and even if they're better than you they might be blaming you by default. Ideally you'll have some kind of mentor or coach who's much higher level tell you what's wrong instead of a random peer at your own level.
Honestly so many people need this information. If you truly do not belong in your MMR bracket you will go up. Griefers and bad players are a distraction from the truth that you need to learn and improve your game.
thx for the video. This make my eyes wide open and see other perspective within the game. Rather than blaming, i will try to make something that can change the game momentum. Ur channel deserves more recognition. Subscribed ! 👍
The most PMA video about ranking in DOTA, just to share, I usually play with my friends like we are always a 5 man team but we rarely play ranked because we are afraid of encountering smurfs and those boosters, we now play unranked because there's no pressure that we will lose something, we always enjoy it especially when we win. Honestly, I always have the attitude of blaming a team mate because he cannot do his job properly while I look to myself ( im a support only role ) that I'm doing my best to do my job but then again, we will still lose. That's when I like the point when you talk about focusing on winning is not productive and there are games that are really uncontrollable. Im on guardian rank and I would say that since Im not a hardcore dota player, I will just continue playing unranked with my team mates because I really lost hope in gaining or reaching a higher mmr since I also do not play solo. Thanks for your video, Zach. I miss your streams and I literally miss your streaming since I live on the other side of the earth LOL.
Thank you for the video, I haven’t played ranked for around a month for some reason and was just playing around with custom games, valorant etc. But decided to get back on it from this video!
i have 10000 behavior score, but i used to play with friends who had 2000 or even less, and honestly... their teammates were a lot more helpful. with 10k score you usually mostly get people who just dont speak, who dont ping, who are just passively in the game like bots. with 2k score, you get people who might get a little verbally violent at times. but atleast they are communicating viable information and game plans. if he wants to run in now, i atleast know what to expect, how to position myself yada yada, with 10k score, he just runs in, and noone is positioned for it. im glad they reworked the system tho
Thank you so much for your amazing contribution I ranked to immortal like 6 months ago playing only position 4 and position 5 thanks to you and we have even played together :) however I have a different account I use to play only core most p1 and p2 and find really hard to rank up from 4k and I know that I make mistakes and some games are on me the crucial point is that I notice is way harder to rank if you don't dota plus when I did it I had subscription and right now I don't want to invest on it anyway I notice the IDs and names of griefers and bad players on a spreadsheet and coincidence mostly all my losses have one of the players on this list and I have only 25 players like if I had dota plus just for tracking my own information how you can give some insight on this
Best advice I ever heard is 25% of your games are auto loss, 25 auto win, and then the other 50% the way you individually play is the main factor in if you win or lose the game. When you recognize the 1 in 4 that's an auto loss you just have to accept it and not let it get you upset. The games that your play caused the win or loss you have to learn from it. It could easily be 33 33 33 as well. Either way it's the same mentality.
Dude...Just found your videos and they are so helpful man. I just started playing and its been only 1 year of dota of me learning how the game mechanic works, hero and itemizations. Stuck in Guardian since then. It has to do with both mentality and game mechanic skills I agree. Thanks for the videos
As someone who came to Dota 2 last year (after a hiatus from being a HoN player like 10 years ago) and has climbed from literally 10 MMR up into the 600 - 700 range my thoughts on this are as follows: - Expecting every player to make their 20% contribution and not actively and consistently picking up their slack is an act of griefing yourself out of wins. I will consistently have the highest support gold spend regardless of whether I am pos 4 or 5, as so often the other support player simply won't buy support items until the cores have cried for 15 minutes straight about no vision etc. - You have to hard counter your biggest issue on the enemy team. Every single time. Unless you're partied, you can't rely on your cores to get the necessary items to shut down the smurf/pubstomp hero etc. It's one of the reasons I've started maining Hoodwink as her kit is so effective on it's own that items only enhance my impact, rather than defining it. For that reason, I can be the one who gets Orchid when we're against a mid Invoker or QoP that has started running away with the game, or I can rush an Ethereal Blade in order to solo kill the aggressively roaming Windranger whose constantly out of position; or scurry into the backlines and insta burst the glass cannon Sniper or Drow that is standing way in the back melting my whole team. - The majority of my deaths in any given game are unnecessary. I'm sure we've all made the correlation that fewer deaths = more wins, but this is more about the lessons that each of our deaths teach us. Is it as simple as positioning? (Not playing behind wards or creep vision) Or is our inability to apply a basic dispel through a neutral item or Euls/Lotus Orb/BKB etc. the reason we're dying (Skywrath + Atos or Storm Spirit + Orchid etc.) When I started framing my thoughts around a game through this lens, I found I was kiting powerful cores during key team fights which my team in turn were winning, due to me not being insta gimped and the fight quickly turning into a 4v5. - Look at the minimap as often as possible. As a pos 4 or 5, I have so often been freely given objectives or one of my cores have because the enemy is too busy trying to force a teamfight on the opposite side of the map while I or a core are pushing out what was a dead lane at the time. Through a combination of decent warding and an awareness of how many enemies are showing on the minimap - you're freely given information as to whether you or a core can safely continue to claim an objective or whether you need to back off. When it's a teammate, you just need to keep open lines of communication as to who is showing, when you see someone teleporting etc. - Dota+ is a net positive MMR investment. Being able to avoid players who are huge ragers or obvious throwers/item breakers etc. in the short term raises your MMR, as for the game they're on your team and you lose, you're likely to get at least one game against them to win and offset it (and often I've gotten 3 or 4 games against them that's boosted my own rank) in the same session. This quickly puts the forced 50/50 fallacy to bed, as it's obvious they're the ones majorly impacting the game (just not in their favour) and you're simply playing the system with the advantage you're given to raise your rank. - When playing core roles in low ELO, Lotus Orb is ridiculously high value. Spell casters just continue to fire single target spells at you regardless of the activation state of Lotus. My favourite is playing pos 3 Clockwerk and ulting onto a pos 2 Zeus, popping cogs and Lotus and watching him panic burst himself to death. I'm by no means perfect and still have a long way to go in my own game (consistent rotation timing early game, exploiting core item power spikes etc.) but it's a journey and these are the things I've found that have chalked up more wins in the match feed lately. Love your work Zach, conversations like this are really important to keep us all accountable for how we're playing the game, rather than focussing on others.
This video suprisingly changed my all mentality. i went divine 2 to immortal in 5 days. i started to push myself for doing more in games and its actually paying off.
I'm sort of a mathematician by profession. What I can say is that this guy know shit. I have had this concept in my head since day zero and never materialised it in a way that is so formal like this. Thanks for bringing this up. This is very useful and I wish every DotA players had watched this video. Cheers, champ. Keep on the good work. See you around in DotA!
I was stuck in low Divine for months. Got tilted a lot, flamed, got reported, dropped behave score, played a bunch of turbo games to improve, flamed there again, got reported and so on... I felt like I was better than my rank but I can't climb as pos 5. THen I decided to get serious, fixed my mentality, didn't flame and reached Immortal in less than a month. Climbing is possible, that 50% forced thing is bullsh*t, I believed in that myself because it's easier than accepting responsibility for my contribution in games. Tl dr - fix your mindset and you will climb. I'm 32 years old, btw
"THen I decided to get serious, fixed my mentality, didn't flame and reached Immortal in less than a month. " Did you fix your behavior score before climbing? My story is exactly the same as yours. Been low divine forever, got tilted, tanked behaviour score, and games are unplayable. Getting behaviours core back to 10k takes longer than a month. I get perfect conduct reports (all green) and its like +100.
I've noticed every time I get mad at my teammates I'm just doing nothing in game because I'm concentrating on how bad my teammates are instead of what I should be doing.
I can't count the number of times I've watched a teammate stand still while rage typing, only to be killed by the enemy team because he's stuck in chat
This isn't really a roast, but one of the most important things you should read into when it comes to bias is Negativity Bias, which has been studied in-depth by psychologists for decades. Basically, humans are more emotionally affected by negative experiences compared to positive ones. This is why negative news headlines are so common. Have you ever gone through a day where people compliment you multiple times, but someone says something mean to you, and you spend the rest of the day upset about the mean thing, despite receiving more praise than criticism over the course of the day? We might have 15 games where we make mistakes, but a good teammate carries us, and then 1 game where our carry feeds constantly and the enemy Pudge gets fat, lands every hook, and they win at the 20 minute mark. Because of negativity bias, we will very often forget the 15 good games and remember the 1 horrible game. If this pattern of negative emotional experiences continues for a long time (maybe a few months), it's easy to get into a mindset where all we can remember is bad games ruined by stupid teammates because we have forgotten the good ones, which gives us a false perception that we are actually being constantly dragged down by bad teammates and that the whole MMR system is completely rigged. The best way to combat this is probably to regain perspective by looking at our actual statistics. Look over your previous games, look how many actual wins you have gotten, and watch replays of some of them to understand why you won. Did your teammates contribute? Most likely yes! Also, you say that a streak of wins followed by a streak of losses is a sign of inconsistency, like someone will play well and then play badly, etc. I disagree. It makes a lot more sense for inconsistency to result in a more random Win/Loss distribution, because if someone is inconsistent it is usually far more random when they do well or not, especially in a game like Dota where the hero match ups are different per game, and playing well requires good fundamentals in a wide variety of situations, rather than repeating bad habits which will mostly only pay off at random depending on opponents (ward placements come to mind). If you're hitting a streak of wins then a streak of losses, most likely you're at your correct MMR level already - you're winning, so you're getting better opponents, then those better opponents beat you consistently because of your bad habits, so you go back down. This is a textbook example of "bouncing" around your true skill level. MMR systems have no real mechanism for maintaining a steady skill level, you can only go up or down, so everyone, at every level, will naturally "bounce" around their actual skill level as they win games, then go up, then lose games, and go back down.
Had a pos5 morphling who supported his safelane perfectly, transitioned into a core at 22 minutes after 2 teamfights and ended the game w 15/1 and massive impact in the game. Only thing he didnt do was ward
Thank you for this great video! I needed this after a rough game last night that I'm thinking through at work the next day. Love the positivity & reminders of what to focus on (yourself)
edit: nvm he addressed some of this issue, typed all these 3 minutes in Here's what I believe 40% of the games you lose no matter what 40% of the games you win no matter what and 20% boils down to your skill. Once you accept that you'll be able to climb. Just to name a few random pro players, ponlo has 53.18% WR & Pablo has 52.81% WR as of this post. Factoring that in, let's just say you're averaging 60% WR and that's still 4 LOSSES every 10 games. And a 60% WR would give you only +30/20 PER 10 games. So it's really a grind, just get your mental right and not play tilted or give up easily & that 20% will favor you more so. Also the timing you're queue'ing matters too. Some timing you just tend to win more games eg. evening time on weekdays and some timing you tend to lose more eg. after 2AM of your region. I've friends who thinks that queue'ing when there's less kids eg. midnight would give them better games but no, not taking a shot at any but those that plays at like 2AM tend to be weirdos. It's like trading/poker, sometimes you just gotta fold. Felt like going for more games despite having a lose streak and slightly tilted? Plus it's like wee hours where all the normal humans goes to bed already? Just go play some custom or unranked! Also similarly to poker/trading, you must accept the spread. Sometimes your year to date profit and loss is like $7,500 and then a bad week it went down to $5,400, there will be swings. A normal week and you'll be back. Just remember probability has no memory. Think from their perspective, those people are still playing at 2am maybe because they were losing since 8PM and they're telling themselves (I'll stop when I win or breakeven). TL;DR, yeah luck is a huge factor but when both side's even (that 20% of games). Playing well actually will be a factor for that juicy +30/20.
in just 2 weeks, i gained 700 mmr by ticking the no incoming chat option and avoiding shitty players,(greifers, picking zeus support for example).. its a life saver, im arguing with them but i cant read or listen to what their saying, treat them like bots..
It does seem often that the bad team and good team games are clustered somehow, where one evening you just form a well-oiled machine with 4 strangers every game, and the next every game your cores blow the biggest leads you set up for them.
10:43 is so true. i always stuck on a particular rank until now im 2 months stuck on ancient 3. i always accept that im not ready yet for the next rank whenever this happens
Thanks! This is a well made total. Im in that win 10 loose 10 games batch. Mostly an off player, but, I honestly feel like my last 500ish games are a tragedy. I could share an opendota account. I, through my eyes, took way more than 5-10% of the load from the other players. And I'm hugging kissing that loosing steak even more. Fml.
I quit playing dota2 in 2016 because all of my games near 4500mmr were stomps, totally one-sided matches, easy win or crushing loss, nothing in between. I got back a month ago and first 20-25 matches were great, nice back and forth games but then the stomps returned. The next ~50 matches I played were sad pictures when one team had zero chances. I dont know what and who to blame, but I think there is some sort of PBMM (performance-based MM) sprinkled into SBMM (skill-based MM), to give some players pity-wins/dragdown-losses.
MMR in team games is not an indication of individual skill. Now, regarding Dota 2 it's pretty obvious that if you have a winning streak you will soon get a big losing streak. Your individual skill will not change but the members of your team will be either beginners, feeders or griefers. Why do you think that sometimes, the queue takes like 5 minutes? If it would be only matchmaking based on mmr, you will get an instant match every time. There are hidden statistics which we don't know and a multi-million company has ways to control and make money out of their systems.
the biggest problem for me is that i'm bad at the game and don't wanna put in the effort to improve but still expect the mmr gain. also I have a pathological need to flame everyone in every game on my team and the enemy team
I've been consistently overperforming (besides consitently top dmg + top KDA etc, I know because of the overwolf addon which tracks your performances) and still lost the majority of my last 100 games. Going 20-1-20 and losing multiple times is really painful
Definitely painful, that's rough! Not that I know at all since I haven't seen your games, but usually when I see someone who is having a similar issue as you, it's that there's a bit too much focus on kills/farm vs objectives and team play. Usually it's just a couple events in the game that they could have used their lead more effectively. I don't know if that's your issue, but that's what I'd be looking for. Which I think is good since it sounds like your consistently building up a lead, just need to change a couple decisions
While I think this is admirable, the people saying this aren't thinking logically at all. They're being irrational cause they're emotions are getting to them. That's a pretty tough hill to overcome
usualy your teamdont hold you back, but in sime cases its possible. 1 you group your own with wrong persons and 2 thats more important i would say: if you plkay heroes like Oracle in to low bracet and your mates not understand how to play with your ult, same Problem with Io, the ult wiil only confuse your mates and they wil blame you for.
If you’re going to be toxic! Be toxic not in chat or on your mic! Just yell at your screen instead of at your team don’t be toxic in game it doesn’t help. All it does is make your teammates play worse!
I completely agree with you, but explain me this.. how does all players with internet issues and PC issues, new players, players trying heroes for first time in Rank match, etc. joins my team ? Ok maybe when I win, the above mentioned legends join in my opponent. But then the frequency is still 50%.. basically 50% win rate is fixed. It’s really frustrating, after supporting my safe lane or offlaner for 20-30 mins, they get DCed or even better, they don’t know when to join fight when to push when to farm, HOW to farm. If opponents are dead all 5, my carries run back to our jungle and farm more. If I am carry, my support’s life time saving Gold goes to Scepter/Blink/bot. No wards no boots.. just straight away luxury items. - 3 years Herald Player.
I believe there might be a system in place that determines the skill level of players based on their account data. This system could classify players as good, really good, bad, really bad, or average. The matchmaking process would then create balanced matches. For instance, it might assemble a team with one really good player, three really bad players, and one average player to play against a team with four average players and one bad player. However, when a team ends up with three really bad players, they face a significant disadvantage. These players often lack a proper understanding of how to play Dota, focusing solely on powering up their heroes rather than engaging in team dynamics.
Stayed away from dota for 2 years...... Was at 3.6 k And this year I got back to the game and recalibrated and I fell down to 2.3k ... And the thing that makes me sad about this is.... My old mmr I didn't actually push it.... I was straight Calibrated to 3.5 k .... So falling down to 2.3 makes me sad 😂
“They are people trying heir best as well” sorry Z, this statement is probably only true half of the time. Most people play this game stoned, drunk, or in a bad mood :/
You can always get games where people just give up and stop playing. Had an unlucky streak a month ago where every single game I played was definitely uncontrollable (10k behaviour score too) .. lost around 500mmr...
I have climbed from 1k to 2k by supports only. Just ein more game then you lose. That simple. Dont be scare to lose at your skill level. Don't be toxic. Remember this is just a game and you have team and your opponents have team.
I completely disagree the first sentence, that your team holds you back, but I don't disagree completely with the second one, but I think valve's system forces you to not win more than 70% of your games, once I think I'm just not good enough to beat the enemy team when they got a guy that is much better than me, and when I'm in a winstreak the matchmaking system does that, and we all know. It's not impossible to get better though, just valve things; couter strike is a good example how valve does not do well with matchmaking
Why do people focus on MMR so much? "Lets win back that MMR" why? I like the game and i enjoy getting better and learning something. The MMR is just the indicator if i did learn something or unlearned something else. I think the main problem is that the "feedback" from the game comes with such a delay that its hard to learn something with the reward actually happening. Example: A lot of games get thrown under the enemy offlane T2. Your team wins a fight, pushes in and gets obliterated at the worst possible spot. Happens every second game. I started to beg my team to not push 4v5 into dark map into a insigificant objective. I cross it out on the miimap with the paint option. How many games does that stop me from losing? IDK, the reward is not there. But deep down i am sure that this "move" it is probably worth 500mmr.
i will just add one thing on this,about riged 50%,this is from my expericance,whenever you are toxic and you lose behavior score,you will get matched with people that recently lost behavior score,so basicly your TEAM will be more toxic then the enemie next couple of games,and you will most likely lose those games,this is type of punishment from valve for toxicity,on the other side,whenever you gain behavior score you will be rewarded" with toxic enemie and you will win most of those games,but if you think about that,you wont learn anything in games where one of the teams gives up,so i highly recommend being positive and staying on 10 behavior,becuse only then you will have normal dota experiance ! gl hf
u dont hear many complaints?dude i have accepted and embraced the broken system so much at the beginning of every game i shout out loud, "is there any smurfs or pros here that can lift this team to victory??" people do go up and down thats why its not rigged, u lose and u win all the time in casinos too does it mean the casino isnt rigged?thats just variance, and variance is the most insidious thing as it convinces players more that its "random" but in truth, and the probabilities is always in the house's favour even if its just a 50.4 % to 49.6% advantage, that 0.8 house edge will destroy u in the end.....even if u go on a super unbelievable hot streak, the extreme of outliers, eventually the power of reversal to the mean will eradicate ur massive run good and advantage at the beginning and
Riddle me this batman. This is for LoL but its same MMR system. I was Diamond 3, and I stopped playing for 4 months. (forgot about elo decay) My account got put in platinum 1. Now, my elo should be around Diamond 4-3 I don't have an ego I just play and focus. I got into Promos to Diamond right away 2 times in a row and lost them. Now I lost 7 games in a row. Bad mental? I don't think so. Maybe incredible bad luck. Still, this feels so rigged when it happens to you.
50% system is very real in solo que under about 6k mmr or so . Climbed my self from 3k to 7k. And yeah i noticed smurfs in my team, wins in 15 mins are worse than loses. This what makes you quit cause one sided games are trash. If you want to gain mmr dominate 1-3 pos and focus on your game. If you re low rank support change your role now, you will never gain mmr.
Why would a forced 50% system only exist for a certain range though? I mean it could be true, I don't think there's any information from Valve about how matchmaking works. But what would the benefit of only putting it on for a certain range? My own explanation for something like that could be that by 6k, you have a threshold of skill for most players, so you are less likely to notice anything extremely bad about them (skill wise). Whereas below that, people may have really bad laning, but good teamfighting, etc. The skills are super varied but still average to 2k or 4k or whatever. So players are more likely to notice the gaps in another player's skill, or those gaps are going to be punished more heavily when the bad laner goes against the good laner.
@@ZQuixotix Sir without being rude to you, why don't you try to create a low rank account and try to play in SEA server as a support. If you manage to raise your mmr to immortal then people will believe and validate you and your guides. Many players have spoken that the quality of the games we experience nowadays are too toxic and not competitive. It's all about 1-hour neuron-busting won games and/or rigged 15-minute losing games helplessly because you have the griefers.malders. and cancers. It's all about LUCK/RNG nowadays.
I love playing dota but living in a village in a poor state in a third world country, there's so many times power supply went out while playing, it's sad. Like one time i got in LP three times in a day.
i got to 4k by spamming pos 5 in classic ranked, around 75-80%winrate and once i hit ancient the game became quite hard and i gave up on ranked alltogether
had arc warden smurf last game... no chance after he had the scepter and got to lvl 25, wqe could kill his close, but after we killed it, he instanly summon the next one, was like a non stop bombadament... arc smurf sucks, and u can't allways ban them
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it doesn’t apply to everyone. Low rank is a swamp that you need to be REALLY talented to get out of. I can hold my own mid against people ranked much higher than me when I play with friends yet can’t coral the toxic nubs I get in herald or guardian. I’m only as good as the lowest skilled member of my team. They bring you down to their level even if you mute them. Spend more time there you’ll see.
topson is a bad dota palyer now he lsot ti10 he palys like a archon now uusing spells for no reason and horrible map movements and missing spells horrible efficiency topson is bad at dota unlike before he used to not lose ti
He aged badly during his stint as a DAD and reitred pro dota pub player in SEA. People will still deny the fact that SEA is the hardest and most toxic server out there. Resolution and Topson already called it QUITS playing there.
actually is not that simple. there is a huge impact difference between core and support. So when your weak part of the team is the core.....good luck climbing.
I love the video but right now I’m still in 10MMR and I giving a time to the game to see if when I comeback I can gain some point at least, btw I’m not a toxic player and went I know will write something I mute myself and mute all my teammates, that is another advice, maybe if u are lucky u can be more higher then me
I highly disagree with you. I noticed a pattern. When I get 3 winstreak I tend to get at least 5 losing streak. I do get 2 back to back wins here and there so that my winrate does not move. But if somehow I manage 3 winrate, bammm 5 losing streak incoming.
I got calibrated after my 100 first games at Herold 3. 450games later I am still Herold3... It is NOT all about my Team vs Others Team. You got 9 "random" Parameters (the other Players). And as a Pos 4/5 my Impact is Limited. I get a lot of Games where my Carrey does nothing. Or my Pos 5 will not put out a single ward.... its just frustrating. My behavior Score is Always 10000. I think the only Chance to get Out of Herold is to find a group and Always Play together. Communication is Key in this Game. And you got almost none communication in random ranked Matches.
It's on you for not adding good players you played with. I have dozens of unknown friends I added from guardian up to ancient that I added this way. If I felt they are good and we won the game, I add them. They usually accept if they think you also played well.
pff its mathmatically proven there are only 4 slots on my team (as i take up one slot) v 5 on the enemy team for the smurf to be allocated to, so its odds already rigged against me before i start (unless im a smurf which im not)
I always lose games cause I’m terrible I mean my team is terrible yeah it can’t be my fault! Never my fault yep sounds right to me! HeHe Love the content Zach
There is a problem with your math. The chances of having a Smurf on your team are lower because you are not a Smurf yourself. So your team has only 4 out of X chances of having a smurf, while the enemy will have 5 out of X chances. It works in your favor for having a tilted cry-baby. But we do not know if Smurfs are as frequent as Crybabies. So in your example it would not be 45 % auto win, 45% auto loss, it will be 40% Auto win and 50% auto loss. Which would require you to win 100% of other games to just break even. You`ve just proved the futility of trying using your own numbers =)
i think most games are decided by mid players losing an impact in the game example afk farming mid and watching mid players gank first 15mins its like a 30% chance to win, add to an offlaner that doesnt play as a tank and exposes a carry which is most of SEA its like a 10% chance to win.
If all players have that WE NEED A TANK mentality then better play CSGO not Dota 2. That's exactly the problem with the majority of the players. They think offlane is a sacrificial core. It's utterly disappointing everytime I see players asking oh WE NEED A BEEFY OFFLANE CORE then they proceed to picking zeus and mirana support heroes. I consider those kind of players as SOCIOPATHS or could be WORST as PSYCHOPATHS.
Hello, I think that your math abouth the equal probability of smurf in your team and in your enemy team is not correct. The game is about 2 teams of 5 players each, your team is you + 4 more guys, you know you are not smurfing so, the probability of smurf in your team is that 1 of the 4 extra guys in your team is smurfing. You don't have this information on the other team, so there are 5 guys who can be smurfing in the other team. Doing the math, is 25% more possible that the smurf is in the enemy team.
90% of dota games are instant wins or losses. And if any dota player is saying anything els than that their soul is decaying from this system they are lying.
Is there a vaccine for MMR ? I got this notification under this video MMR vaccination CDC MMR vaccine is very effective at protecting people against measles, mumps, and rubella, and preventing the complications caused by these diseases.
its the worst when you get a pudge support that does nothing, into a guy who afks for 2 minutes into a hispanic witch doctor who only knows how to dive towers. Those are the days where I want ball my eyes out.
I always watch back the games I lost. It helps me look at my own game and realize my own mistakes better. It still doesn't help me with the general concepts like map awareness or ganks or which objectives should we have taken first but it helps a lot in terms of the little mistakes that might add up.
me too, i realize it was my mistakes like ward placement, dewarding, itemization and so on. And i always learn from my losing game that i am a part of team mistakes.
Feels like double timewaste, losing a game ... and watching myself losing that game ;D
@@plontschableas Lord Gaben has once said, “Making mistakes is the path to wisdom”
I don't wanna climb I just want traxex rampages 🫠
@@plontschable In the short term it'll feel that way, but over the long term you'll gain thousands of points of MMR. Keep in mind there's people who have played dota for 10 years and are still hardstuck in crusader, it's because those people never bother to reflect on what went wrong and how to get better.
I strongly agree at 5:48. I teach statistics ang probability in college.
What is the chance that you will get a heads when you toss a coin? 50% But if you toss 20 times, it's not gonna be 10 heads - 10 tails, instead it'll be 14-7, or 5-15. But toss 300 times, you will have 140-160 or 158-142, etc.
Similarly, in the long run, you will be converged to your real mmr. So you gain mmr not by having good teammates, you gain mmr by polishing your skills, learning new skills, and unlearning bad habits.
I loved this video! I watched it as half educational video / half roast of a large portion of the community, which felt great. Because let's be honest, support players get a lot of smack from carry players, even if the carries make the mistakes.
Figuring out when you're the 30% contribution or the 13% contribution is something I struggle with because often times teammates/opponents will tell you you're horrible regardless of the truth of it.
For sure, digging through the useless flaming and trying to objectively look at whether it's valid criticism or not is rough. I think that's where replay analysis/coaching is helpful to let you know what you are doing right or wrong. I think until you have a good understanding of the game, it's a little hard to do yourself. Though the way I approached, I would take my best guess of whether I thought I was the 30% or not, and go off of that. If I'm right, if I'm the 30%, then I'll climb. If I don't climb after a bit, I am forced to re-evaluate that perhaps I'm lower down
I don't think you can learn much from most teammates tbh, most of them are either going to be at your level or worse, and even if they're better than you they might be blaming you by default. Ideally you'll have some kind of mentor or coach who's much higher level tell you what's wrong instead of a random peer at your own level.
unfortunately we can't all get good coaches, and the in-game coaching system is hit or miss.
Honestly so many people need this information. If you truly do not belong in your MMR bracket you will go up. Griefers and bad players are a distraction from the truth that you need to learn and improve your game.
thx for the video. This make my eyes wide open and see other perspective within the game. Rather than blaming, i will try to make something that can change the game momentum. Ur channel deserves more recognition. Subscribed ! 👍
The most PMA video about ranking in DOTA, just to share, I usually play with my friends like we are always a 5 man team but we rarely play ranked because we are afraid of encountering smurfs and those boosters, we now play unranked because there's no pressure that we will lose something, we always enjoy it especially when we win. Honestly, I always have the attitude of blaming a team mate because he cannot do his job properly while I look to myself ( im a support only role ) that I'm doing my best to do my job but then again, we will still lose. That's when I like the point when you talk about focusing on winning is not productive and there are games that are really uncontrollable. Im on guardian rank and I would say that since Im not a hardcore dota player, I will just continue playing unranked with my team mates because I really lost hope in gaining or reaching a higher mmr since I also do not play solo.
Thanks for your video, Zach. I miss your streams and I literally miss your streaming since I live on the other side of the earth LOL.
Really appreciate the videos you put out mate,
Needed this today after a couple of bad games. Great content yo
Thank you for the video, I haven’t played ranked for around a month for some reason and was just playing around with custom games, valorant etc. But decided to get back on it from this video!
i have 10000 behavior score, but i used to play with friends who had 2000 or even less, and honestly... their teammates were a lot more helpful.
with 10k score you usually mostly get people who just dont speak, who dont ping, who are just passively in the game like bots.
with 2k score, you get people who might get a little verbally violent at times. but atleast they are communicating viable information and game plans.
if he wants to run in now, i atleast know what to expect, how to position myself yada yada, with 10k score, he just runs in, and noone is positioned for it.
im glad they reworked the system tho
Thank you so much for your amazing contribution I ranked to immortal like 6 months ago playing only position 4 and position 5 thanks to you and we have even played together :) however I have a different account I use to play only core most p1 and p2 and find really hard to rank up from 4k and I know that I make mistakes and some games are on me the crucial point is that I notice is way harder to rank if you don't dota plus when I did it I had subscription and right now I don't want to invest on it anyway I notice the IDs and names of griefers and bad players on a spreadsheet and coincidence mostly all my losses have one of the players on this list and I have only 25 players like if I had dota plus just for tracking my own information how you can give some insight on this
Best advice I ever heard is 25% of your games are auto loss, 25 auto win, and then the other 50% the way you individually play is the main factor in if you win or lose the game. When you recognize the 1 in 4 that's an auto loss you just have to accept it and not let it get you upset. The games that your play caused the win or loss you have to learn from it. It could easily be 33 33 33 as well. Either way it's the same mentality.
Dude...Just found your videos and they are so helpful man. I just started playing and its been only 1 year of dota of me learning how the game mechanic works, hero and itemizations. Stuck in Guardian since then. It has to do with both mentality and game mechanic skills I agree. Thanks for the videos
Awesome Content, hugely underrated channel.
As someone who wants to get past some queue anxiety this was a good video!
As someone who came to Dota 2 last year (after a hiatus from being a HoN player like 10 years ago) and has climbed from literally 10 MMR up into the 600 - 700 range my thoughts on this are as follows:
- Expecting every player to make their 20% contribution and not actively and consistently picking up their slack is an act of griefing yourself out of wins. I will consistently have the highest support gold spend regardless of whether I am pos 4 or 5, as so often the other support player simply won't buy support items until the cores have cried for 15 minutes straight about no vision etc.
- You have to hard counter your biggest issue on the enemy team. Every single time. Unless you're partied, you can't rely on your cores to get the necessary items to shut down the smurf/pubstomp hero etc. It's one of the reasons I've started maining Hoodwink as her kit is so effective on it's own that items only enhance my impact, rather than defining it. For that reason, I can be the one who gets Orchid when we're against a mid Invoker or QoP that has started running away with the game, or I can rush an Ethereal Blade in order to solo kill the aggressively roaming Windranger whose constantly out of position; or scurry into the backlines and insta burst the glass cannon Sniper or Drow that is standing way in the back melting my whole team.
- The majority of my deaths in any given game are unnecessary. I'm sure we've all made the correlation that fewer deaths = more wins, but this is more about the lessons that each of our deaths teach us. Is it as simple as positioning? (Not playing behind wards or creep vision) Or is our inability to apply a basic dispel through a neutral item or Euls/Lotus Orb/BKB etc. the reason we're dying (Skywrath + Atos or Storm Spirit + Orchid etc.) When I started framing my thoughts around a game through this lens, I found I was kiting powerful cores during key team fights which my team in turn were winning, due to me not being insta gimped and the fight quickly turning into a 4v5.
- Look at the minimap as often as possible. As a pos 4 or 5, I have so often been freely given objectives or one of my cores have because the enemy is too busy trying to force a teamfight on the opposite side of the map while I or a core are pushing out what was a dead lane at the time. Through a combination of decent warding and an awareness of how many enemies are showing on the minimap - you're freely given information as to whether you or a core can safely continue to claim an objective or whether you need to back off. When it's a teammate, you just need to keep open lines of communication as to who is showing, when you see someone teleporting etc.
- Dota+ is a net positive MMR investment. Being able to avoid players who are huge ragers or obvious throwers/item breakers etc. in the short term raises your MMR, as for the game they're on your team and you lose, you're likely to get at least one game against them to win and offset it (and often I've gotten 3 or 4 games against them that's boosted my own rank) in the same session. This quickly puts the forced 50/50 fallacy to bed, as it's obvious they're the ones majorly impacting the game (just not in their favour) and you're simply playing the system with the advantage you're given to raise your rank.
- When playing core roles in low ELO, Lotus Orb is ridiculously high value. Spell casters just continue to fire single target spells at you regardless of the activation state of Lotus. My favourite is playing pos 3 Clockwerk and ulting onto a pos 2 Zeus, popping cogs and Lotus and watching him panic burst himself to death.
I'm by no means perfect and still have a long way to go in my own game (consistent rotation timing early game, exploiting core item power spikes etc.) but it's a journey and these are the things I've found that have chalked up more wins in the match feed lately. Love your work Zach, conversations like this are really important to keep us all accountable for how we're playing the game, rather than focussing on others.
thank you for your comment!
i too have climbed from 10mmr to 600-700mmr from playing 5 and 4 too.
definitely giving hoodwink a shot!
This video suprisingly changed my all mentality. i went divine 2 to immortal in 5 days. i started to push myself for doing more in games and its actually paying off.
Best Dota tutor on the RUclipsz! This man is clear, concise and has a great attitude.
Let’s go!
I'm sort of a mathematician by profession. What I can say is that this guy know shit. I have had this concept in my head since day zero and never materialised it in a way that is so formal like this. Thanks for bringing this up. This is very useful and I wish every DotA players had watched this video. Cheers, champ. Keep on the good work. See you around in DotA!
I was stuck in low Divine for months. Got tilted a lot, flamed, got reported, dropped behave score, played a bunch of turbo games to improve, flamed there again, got reported and so on... I felt like I was better than my rank but I can't climb as pos 5. THen I decided to get serious, fixed my mentality, didn't flame and reached Immortal in less than a month. Climbing is possible, that 50% forced thing is bullsh*t, I believed in that myself because it's easier than accepting responsibility for my contribution in games. Tl dr - fix your mindset and you will climb.
I'm 32 years old, btw
"THen I decided to get serious, fixed my mentality, didn't flame and reached Immortal in less than a month. "
Did you fix your behavior score before climbing? My story is exactly the same as yours. Been low divine forever, got tilted, tanked behaviour score, and games are unplayable. Getting behaviours core back to 10k takes longer than a month. I get perfect conduct reports (all green) and its like +100.
@@BennduR Yep, got it back to 9,6k when I started climbing.
@@del10artem how long did that take? And what did you raise it from? Seems like that alone would take longer than 1month
@@BennduR A week or two, maybe. Got from 6k to 9,6k just spamming turbo.
I've noticed every time I get mad at my teammates I'm just doing nothing in game because I'm concentrating on how bad my teammates are instead of what I should be doing.
I can't count the number of times I've watched a teammate stand still while rage typing, only to be killed by the enemy team because he's stuck in chat
Aye that's me. 😂
This isn't really a roast, but one of the most important things you should read into when it comes to bias is Negativity Bias, which has been studied in-depth by psychologists for decades. Basically, humans are more emotionally affected by negative experiences compared to positive ones. This is why negative news headlines are so common. Have you ever gone through a day where people compliment you multiple times, but someone says something mean to you, and you spend the rest of the day upset about the mean thing, despite receiving more praise than criticism over the course of the day? We might have 15 games where we make mistakes, but a good teammate carries us, and then 1 game where our carry feeds constantly and the enemy Pudge gets fat, lands every hook, and they win at the 20 minute mark. Because of negativity bias, we will very often forget the 15 good games and remember the 1 horrible game. If this pattern of negative emotional experiences continues for a long time (maybe a few months), it's easy to get into a mindset where all we can remember is bad games ruined by stupid teammates because we have forgotten the good ones, which gives us a false perception that we are actually being constantly dragged down by bad teammates and that the whole MMR system is completely rigged. The best way to combat this is probably to regain perspective by looking at our actual statistics. Look over your previous games, look how many actual wins you have gotten, and watch replays of some of them to understand why you won. Did your teammates contribute? Most likely yes!
Also, you say that a streak of wins followed by a streak of losses is a sign of inconsistency, like someone will play well and then play badly, etc. I disagree. It makes a lot more sense for inconsistency to result in a more random Win/Loss distribution, because if someone is inconsistent it is usually far more random when they do well or not, especially in a game like Dota where the hero match ups are different per game, and playing well requires good fundamentals in a wide variety of situations, rather than repeating bad habits which will mostly only pay off at random depending on opponents (ward placements come to mind). If you're hitting a streak of wins then a streak of losses, most likely you're at your correct MMR level already - you're winning, so you're getting better opponents, then those better opponents beat you consistently because of your bad habits, so you go back down. This is a textbook example of "bouncing" around your true skill level. MMR systems have no real mechanism for maintaining a steady skill level, you can only go up or down, so everyone, at every level, will naturally "bounce" around their actual skill level as they win games, then go up, then lose games, and go back down.
Man this video is criminally underrated
It’s been out for an hour…
Had a pos5 morphling who supported his safelane perfectly, transitioned into a core at 22 minutes after 2 teamfights and ended the game w 15/1 and massive impact in the game. Only thing he didnt do was ward
Thank you for this great video! I needed this after a rough game last night that I'm thinking through at work the next day. Love the positivity & reminders of what to focus on (yourself)
Happy to help! Rough games suck, but you can always bounce back!
Every toxic player needs to take mandatory ZQuixotix anti-toxicity sensitivity training
Great videos mate, best educational dota content ive seen.
just the best content and personality zach!
edit: nvm he addressed some of this issue, typed all these 3 minutes in
Here's what I believe
40% of the games you lose no matter what
40% of the games you win no matter what
and 20% boils down to your skill.
Once you accept that you'll be able to climb.
Just to name a few random pro players, ponlo has 53.18% WR & Pablo has 52.81% WR as of this post.
Factoring that in, let's just say you're averaging 60% WR and that's still 4 LOSSES every 10 games.
And a 60% WR would give you only +30/20 PER 10 games. So it's really a grind, just get your mental right and not play tilted or give up easily & that 20% will favor you more so.
Also the timing you're queue'ing matters too. Some timing you just tend to win more games eg. evening time on weekdays and some timing you tend to lose more eg. after 2AM of your region.
I've friends who thinks that queue'ing when there's less kids eg. midnight would give them better games but no, not taking a shot at any but those that plays at like 2AM tend to be weirdos.
It's like trading/poker, sometimes you just gotta fold. Felt like going for more games despite having a lose streak and slightly tilted? Plus it's like wee hours where all the normal humans goes to bed already? Just go play some custom or unranked!
Also similarly to poker/trading, you must accept the spread. Sometimes your year to date profit and loss is like $7,500 and then a bad week it went down to $5,400, there will be swings.
A normal week and you'll be back. Just remember probability has no memory.
Think from their perspective, those people are still playing at 2am maybe because they were losing since 8PM and they're telling themselves (I'll stop when I win or breakeven).
TL;DR, yeah luck is a huge factor but when both side's even (that 20% of games). Playing well actually will be a factor for that juicy +30/20.
in just 2 weeks, i gained 700 mmr by ticking the no incoming chat option and avoiding shitty players,(greifers, picking zeus support for example).. its a life saver, im arguing with them but i cant read or listen to what their saying, treat them like bots..
It does seem often that the bad team and good team games are clustered somehow, where one evening you just form a well-oiled machine with 4 strangers every game, and the next every game your cores blow the biggest leads you set up for them.
10:43 is so true. i always stuck on a particular rank until now im 2 months stuck on ancient 3. i always accept that im not ready yet for the next rank whenever this happens
When i play ranked match. I play at a Bo3. If i win 2 or lose 2, i will take a break for next hour or next day.
Great idea to make sure you are playing your best without letting tilt or overconfidence get to you
Thanks! This is a well made total. Im in that win 10 loose 10 games batch.
Mostly an off player, but, I honestly feel like my last 500ish games are a tragedy. I could share an opendota account. I, through my eyes, took way more than 5-10% of the load from the other players.
And I'm hugging kissing that loosing steak even more.
Fml.
I quit playing dota2 in 2016 because all of my games near 4500mmr were stomps, totally one-sided matches, easy win or crushing loss, nothing in between. I got back a month ago and first 20-25 matches were great, nice back and forth games but then the stomps returned. The next ~50 matches I played were sad pictures when one team had zero chances. I dont know what and who to blame, but I think there is some sort of PBMM (performance-based MM) sprinkled into SBMM (skill-based MM), to give some players pity-wins/dragdown-losses.
Great video man! Lots of good ideas about MMR 📈
MMR in team games is not an indication of individual skill.
Now, regarding Dota 2 it's pretty obvious that if you have a winning streak you will soon get a big losing streak.
Your individual skill will not change but the members of your team will be either beginners, feeders or griefers.
Why do you think that sometimes, the queue takes like 5 minutes? If it would be only matchmaking based on mmr, you will get an instant match every time.
There are hidden statistics which we don't know and a multi-million company has ways to control and make money out of their systems.
Gotta say I wish MMR worked on individual merit - based on your role - rather than if the team wins or not.
the biggest problem for me is that i'm bad at the game and don't wanna put in the effort to improve but still expect the mmr gain. also I have a pathological need to flame everyone in every game on my team and the enemy team
I've been consistently overperforming (besides consitently top dmg + top KDA etc, I know because of the overwolf addon which tracks your performances) and still lost the majority of my last 100 games. Going 20-1-20 and losing multiple times is really painful
Definitely painful, that's rough! Not that I know at all since I haven't seen your games, but usually when I see someone who is having a similar issue as you, it's that there's a bit too much focus on kills/farm vs objectives and team play. Usually it's just a couple events in the game that they could have used their lead more effectively. I don't know if that's your issue, but that's what I'd be looking for. Which I think is good since it sounds like your consistently building up a lead, just need to change a couple decisions
Decent insights, although the odds of enemy having smurf is 5/10 possible smurfs, but on my team its 4/10 smurfs because i am guaranteed not a smurf 🙂
While I think this is admirable, the people saying this aren't thinking logically at all. They're being irrational cause they're emotions are getting to them. That's a pretty tough hill to overcome
usualy your teamdont hold you back, but in sime cases its possible. 1 you group your own with wrong persons and 2 thats more important i would say: if you plkay heroes like Oracle in to low bracet and your mates not understand how to play with your ult, same Problem with Io, the ult wiil only confuse your mates and they wil blame you for.
dude this video was straight up therapeutic
drow ranger should have a raven that extends visual range for drow ranger.. flying toward incoming enemies
Omg, so nice video. I really like it. Thank you for this information and your channel!
If you’re going to be toxic! Be toxic not in chat or on your mic! Just yell at your screen instead of at your team don’t be toxic in game it doesn’t help. All it does is make your teammates play worse!
Great video with a greater message, thank you
nice video man, 12:49 I legit tought it's alch voice XDXDXD
I completely agree with you, but explain me this.. how does all players with internet issues and PC issues, new players, players trying heroes for first time in Rank match, etc. joins my team ?
Ok maybe when I win, the above mentioned legends join in my opponent. But then the frequency is still 50%.. basically 50% win rate is fixed.
It’s really frustrating, after supporting my safe lane or offlaner for 20-30 mins, they get DCed or even better, they don’t know when to join fight when to push when to farm, HOW to farm. If opponents are dead all 5, my carries run back to our jungle and farm more.
If I am carry, my support’s life time saving Gold goes to Scepter/Blink/bot. No wards no boots.. just straight away luxury items.
- 3 years Herald Player.
I believe there might be a system in place that determines the skill level of players based on their account data. This system could classify players as good, really good, bad, really bad, or average. The matchmaking process would then create balanced matches. For instance, it might assemble a team with one really good player, three really bad players, and one average player to play against a team with four average players and one bad player. However, when a team ends up with three really bad players, they face a significant disadvantage. These players often lack a proper understanding of how to play Dota, focusing solely on powering up their heroes rather than engaging in team dynamics.
i think this is somewhat true cuz every time i play i seem to always get below 50% wr teammates lol
Stayed away from dota for 2 years...... Was at 3.6 k
And this year I got back to the game and recalibrated and I fell down to 2.3k ...
And the thing that makes me sad about this is.... My old mmr I didn't actually push it.... I was straight Calibrated to 3.5 k ....
So falling down to 2.3 makes me sad 😂
Whenever I have a win streak on ranked I usually go on unranked, typically AP or AD to tank the losses without losing mmr. Doesn't really work out.
“They are people trying heir best as well” sorry Z, this statement is probably only true half of the time. Most people play this game stoned, drunk, or in a bad mood :/
Good video, at 5:00 you used the wrong medals for those mmrs though :) archon 5 is 2926 ish, legend one is 3080 ish
I wish I could like this video 1,000 times lol. Great stuff Z!
You can always get games where people just give up and stop playing. Had an unlucky streak a month ago where every single game I played was definitely uncontrollable (10k behaviour score too) .. lost around 500mmr...
I have climbed from 1k to 2k by supports only. Just ein more game then you lose. That simple. Dont be scare to lose at your skill level. Don't be toxic. Remember this is just a game and you have team and your opponents have team.
I completely disagree the first sentence, that your team holds you back, but I don't disagree completely with the second one, but I think valve's system forces you to not win more than 70% of your games, once I think I'm just not good enough to beat the enemy team when they got a guy that is much better than me, and when I'm in a winstreak the matchmaking system does that, and we all know. It's not impossible to get better though, just valve things; couter strike is a good example how valve does not do well with matchmaking
Why do people focus on MMR so much? "Lets win back that MMR" why?
I like the game and i enjoy getting better and learning something. The MMR is just the indicator if i did learn something or unlearned something else.
I think the main problem is that the "feedback" from the game comes with such a delay that its hard to learn something with the reward actually happening.
Example: A lot of games get thrown under the enemy offlane T2. Your team wins a fight, pushes in and gets obliterated at the worst possible spot. Happens every second game. I started to beg my team to not push 4v5 into dark map into a insigificant objective. I cross it out on the miimap with the paint option. How many games does that stop me from losing? IDK, the reward is not there. But deep down i am sure that this "move" it is probably worth 500mmr.
i will just add one thing on this,about riged 50%,this is from my expericance,whenever you are toxic and you lose behavior score,you will get matched with people that recently lost behavior score,so basicly your TEAM will be more toxic then the enemie next couple of games,and you will most likely lose those games,this is type of punishment from valve for toxicity,on the other side,whenever you gain behavior score you will be rewarded" with toxic enemie and you will win most of those games,but if you think about that,you wont learn anything in games where one of the teams gives up,so i highly recommend being positive and staying on 10 behavior,becuse only then you will have normal dota experiance ! gl hf
nice to see you back zack
really interesting topic
Thanks! It's nice to be back, hopefully I can try to keep up a bit more regular videos
mid or feed is the only mentality 😤💯
¿Porque no los dos?
@@ZQuixotix LOL
I challenge any 7k mmr player to take Jimins 10mmr rank and grind back to 7k mmr. They’ll find it’s impossible.
@@jiminsbulge9448 U are the same Jimin's Bulge from Jenkins review?
I'm hearing "it's gonna take roughly 1000 games or 4500 hours of frustration"
u dont hear many complaints?dude i have accepted and embraced the broken system so much at the beginning of every game i shout out loud, "is there any smurfs or pros here that can lift this team to victory??"
people do go up and down thats why its not rigged, u lose and u win all the time in casinos too does it mean the casino isnt rigged?thats just variance, and variance is the most insidious thing as it convinces players more that its "random" but in truth, and the probabilities is always in the house's favour even if its just a 50.4 % to 49.6% advantage, that 0.8 house edge will destroy u in the end.....even if u go on a super unbelievable hot streak, the extreme of outliers, eventually the power of reversal to the mean will eradicate ur massive run good and advantage at the beginning and
Riddle me this batman. This is for LoL but its same MMR system.
I was Diamond 3, and I stopped playing for 4 months. (forgot about elo decay)
My account got put in platinum 1.
Now, my elo should be around Diamond 4-3
I don't have an ego I just play and focus.
I got into Promos to Diamond right away 2 times in a row and lost them.
Now I lost 7 games in a row. Bad mental? I don't think so.
Maybe incredible bad luck. Still, this feels so rigged when it happens to you.
50% system is very real in solo que under about 6k mmr or so . Climbed my self from 3k to 7k. And yeah i noticed smurfs in my team, wins in 15 mins are worse than loses. This what makes you quit cause one sided games are trash. If you want to gain mmr dominate 1-3 pos and focus on your game. If you re low rank support change your role now, you will never gain mmr.
Why would a forced 50% system only exist for a certain range though? I mean it could be true, I don't think there's any information from Valve about how matchmaking works. But what would the benefit of only putting it on for a certain range?
My own explanation for something like that could be that by 6k, you have a threshold of skill for most players, so you are less likely to notice anything extremely bad about them (skill wise). Whereas below that, people may have really bad laning, but good teamfighting, etc. The skills are super varied but still average to 2k or 4k or whatever. So players are more likely to notice the gaps in another player's skill, or those gaps are going to be punished more heavily when the bad laner goes against the good laner.
@@ZQuixotix Sir without being rude to you, why don't you try to create a low rank account and try to play in SEA server as a support. If you manage to raise your mmr to immortal then people will believe and validate you and your guides. Many players have spoken that the quality of the games we experience nowadays are too toxic and not competitive. It's all about 1-hour neuron-busting won games and/or rigged 15-minute losing games helplessly because you have the griefers.malders. and cancers. It's all about LUCK/RNG nowadays.
algorithm boost, love your stuff man
I love playing dota but living in a village in a poor state in a third world country, there's so many times power supply went out while playing, it's sad. Like one time i got in LP three times in a day.
i got to 4k by spamming pos 5 in classic ranked, around 75-80%winrate and once i hit ancient the game became quite hard and i gave up on ranked alltogether
holy shit every Dota player should watch this, great video zach
had arc warden smurf last game... no chance after he had the scepter and got to lvl 25, wqe could kill his close, but after we killed it, he instanly summon the next one, was like a non stop bombadament... arc smurf sucks, and u can't allways ban them
it was rly 5 vs 1, the entire enemie team was feeled afk for let this arc farm, and support him...
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it doesn’t apply to everyone. Low rank is a swamp that you need to be REALLY talented to get out of. I can hold my own mid against people ranked much higher than me when I play with friends yet can’t coral the toxic nubs I get in herald or guardian. I’m only as good as the lowest skilled member of my team. They bring you down to their level even if you mute them. Spend more time there you’ll see.
How do you explain Topson losing 2000 mmr while playing in SEA server? XD
topson is a bad dota palyer now he lsot ti10 he palys like a archon now uusing spells for no reason and horrible map movements and missing spells horrible efficiency topson is bad at dota unlike before he used to not lose ti
He aged badly during his stint as a DAD and reitred pro dota pub player in SEA. People will still deny the fact that SEA is the hardest and most toxic server out there. Resolution and Topson already called it QUITS playing there.
8:44 nice
actually is not that simple. there is a huge impact difference between core and support. So when your weak part of the team is the core.....good luck climbing.
I love the video but right now I’m still in 10MMR and I giving a time to the game to see if when I comeback I can gain some point at least, btw I’m not a toxic player and went I know will write something I mute myself and mute all my teammates, that is another advice, maybe if u are lucky u can be more higher then me
I highly disagree with you. I noticed a pattern. When I get 3 winstreak I tend to get at least 5 losing streak. I do get 2 back to back wins here and there so that my winrate does not move. But if somehow I manage 3 winrate, bammm 5 losing streak incoming.
I like your positivity
Another banger, thanks for the content
I got calibrated after my 100 first games at Herold 3. 450games later I am still Herold3... It is NOT all about my Team vs Others Team. You got 9 "random" Parameters (the other Players). And as a Pos 4/5 my Impact is Limited. I get a lot of Games where my Carrey does nothing. Or my Pos 5 will not put out a single ward.... its just frustrating. My behavior Score is Always 10000. I think the only Chance to get Out of Herold is to find a group and Always Play together. Communication is Key in this Game. And you got almost none communication in random ranked Matches.
It's on you for not adding good players you played with.
I have dozens of unknown friends I added from guardian up to ancient that I added this way.
If I felt they are good and we won the game, I add them. They usually accept if they think you also played well.
in lower bracket your team have little to no knowledge of the game , you have to pick core whether offlane,mid or carry and start from there .
i've tried many attempts to support at low bracket , its seems hard because your team dont know what to do with the space you provided .
oh ! , btw carrey does nothing is why you should pick core and watch youtube to learn it yourself .
pff its mathmatically proven there are only 4 slots on my team (as i take up one slot) v 5 on the enemy team for the smurf to be allocated to, so its odds already rigged against me before i start (unless im a smurf which im not)
hell no did he just tell us we're not good enough and that's why we don't climb? outrageous!
Basically just be better then the 7k mmr smurfs in your archont games and you gain mmr.
I always lose games cause I’m terrible I mean my team is terrible yeah it can’t be my fault! Never my fault yep sounds right to me! HeHe
Love the content Zach
"normal people dont play at 3am"
they don't?
haha tbh i never thought about that when i have queued at those times but its really true
single digit fps and 3 digits ping.. 🤯 I really need to buy a new pc.
380 MMR here reading comments of high rank people
There is a problem with your math. The chances of having a Smurf on your team are lower because you are not a Smurf yourself. So your team has only 4 out of X chances of having a smurf, while the enemy will have 5 out of X chances. It works in your favor for having a tilted cry-baby. But we do not know if Smurfs are as frequent as Crybabies. So in your example it would not be 45 % auto win, 45% auto loss, it will be 40% Auto win and 50% auto loss. Which would require you to win 100% of other games to just break even.
You`ve just proved the futility of trying using your own numbers =)
i think most games are decided by mid players losing an impact in the game example afk farming mid and watching mid players gank first 15mins its like a 30% chance to win,
add to an offlaner that doesnt play as a tank and exposes a carry which is most of SEA its like a 10% chance to win.
TRUEEEE, if u have a good mid and a avarege off to tank, and someone to ward and smoke u probably will win
If all players have that WE NEED A TANK mentality then better play CSGO not Dota 2. That's exactly the problem with the majority of the players. They think offlane is a sacrificial core. It's utterly disappointing everytime I see players asking oh WE NEED A BEEFY OFFLANE CORE then they proceed to picking zeus and mirana support heroes. I consider those kind of players as SOCIOPATHS or could be WORST as PSYCHOPATHS.
What sad is..if I got Smurf in my team..it's me..
I went from 1900+MMR to 2700MMR. Then, this double down came, and I'm back to 1900MMR again. That's why I'm here. 🤣✌️
Someone, coach me. I'm losing hope. 😂
after 3 days of watching this vid, I earn 300 mmr, ty
Hello, I think that your math abouth the equal probability of smurf in your team and in your enemy team is not correct. The game is about 2 teams of 5 players each, your team is you + 4 more guys, you know you are not smurfing so, the probability of smurf in your team is that 1 of the 4 extra guys in your team is smurfing. You don't have this information on the other team, so there are 5 guys who can be smurfing in the other team. Doing the math, is 25% more possible that the smurf is in the enemy team.
What if you have to play on 160ms cause your country does not have its own ranked servers? XD
90% of dota games are instant wins or losses. And if any dota player is saying anything els than that their soul is decaying from this system they are lying.
Is there a vaccine for MMR ?
I got this notification under this video
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its the worst when you get a pudge support that does nothing, into a guy who afks for 2 minutes into a hispanic witch doctor who only knows how to dive towers. Those are the days where I want ball my eyes out.
If a toxic player get more toxic game,he will become more toxic due to the game...
come here after lose strike 32 match in a row, fuck this facet update