@@Marc_YTC 6000 series isn't even close. AMD really need to step up with their new 7000 series this autumn/winter. (this is coming from an AMD fanboy, love their desktop cpus though)
@@_TrueDesire_ only coz intel has e-cores , amd approach is way better and they r extremely efficient , we dont need e cores we need only p cores that are fast and efficient.
Agree ,whats the point of placing i9 in thin laptop better put other usefull stuff like huge capacity ssd, oled screen , more ram whatever usefull. Unless it is single workload but honestly the single core gain is small anyway and most singlecore workload is not something extremely heavy that unusable on entry level gaming laptop.
I was thinking that, since the I9 produces less heat, it might be able to boost higher in laptops with more limited cooling solutions than this one, considering it has an external water cooler, so difference might be much more noticeable in a smaller lighter machine
Not technically a scam, but definitely scammy. This is meant to dupe casual buyers into the "higher number is better" trap. The difference is so small that nobody is going to notice it. The thermal performance of the laptop is what will decide your performance difference, assuming same power levels.
@@nathangamble125 Yeah, but their especially bad on mobile, where an i5 and i7 can even be the same chip with a small frequency difference. It's annoying.
Yeah for sure, I could have made the comparison months ago, but I think it's worth waiting for the right stuff instead of using two completely different laptops.
Fortunately, you can get into the MSI bios and futz around through there if you have one of their laptops. Such a shame as I was really hoping XTU would provide some service.
They made Tiger Lake more attractive, i'm using a Haswell 4 core 8 thread mobile i7, 2 bins of overclock and adaptative undervolting. Tiger Lake includes AVX512 instructions. Haswell was the first gen with FIVR, Alder Lake (at least for laptops) doesn't have FIVR for the H series, i don't know if the HX series has that.
Agree with everyone on the value for the money argument however, the difference in temperature running Cinebench is significant. For laptops especially those that run into thermal throttling issues, that drop in temps provides a serious enhancement to reliably running your rig at a high level consistently and for extended periods of time. It's easy to look at the benchmark numbers and say the marginal difference in outright performance isn't worth the extra cost, but in just about every other context we all hyper-fixate on operating temps. It's strange to me why that's not the case here.
Well i7 11800h and i9 11900h and are both 8 core 16 thread so for gaming I doubt you'd notice any difference between them. The clocks may be slightly higher on the i9 so for targeting super high fps it may be slightly faster.
I have the Infinity w5 with the i7 12700h. Absolutely no regrets. Waiting for the aqua cooling box to really take full advantage of this CPU! Thanks for letting me know I made the right choice. I only wish the Thunderbolt connection would connect to the dGpu instead. Great laptop.
I just got the Msi Raider Ge66 with the i7 i can say, is a freaking beast processor, with the 3070ti never thought that a laptop could be that fast, amazing.
I ordered the HP Envy with the Core i9 and I'll probably stick to the i9 even after this video for one reason : fan noise. Since the i9 heats significantly less, it is surely quiter and get better battery life from that. Yes it is not all about fps and benchmarks...
Wow! thanks a lot Jarrod! Another top notch review video from you! Very informative for everyone. I was thinking of buying an i9 laptop and yikes the results are not good, thanks to your yet again another timely and high-quality content, now the itch of buying one is unjustified 😂. Could you now compare a Ryzen 9 vs an i9 laptop please? Thank you!
So if you're custom-speccing a laptop, and you have the choice between an i7 and an i9 (iow, essentially the comparison you have here), the i9 is unlikely to be worth the extra cash. Thanks for all your work, Jarrod.
thank goodness u made a vid of this jarrod, if u didnt, we probably wouldve spent more money getting a i9 when i7 performs almost the same lvl as the i9
*Nobody* , who looks this kind of videos, would even consider to buy something like Core i9 or Ryzen 9, if there is also a much less expensive i7 or R7 version......
@@269ms5 People aren't born knowing everything, just because what you have come to know and learn over time can't be assumed that everyone else has the same knowledge. Otherwise why would 26,000 people have watched the video in less than the first day? Why are you here?
150 euros isn't a massive price difference when it's a 3k machine. Nice video though, love how thorough you are. Plus resale value on a i9 is going to be better.
I was literally just looking for information on this today and you dropped this video today, scary timing. The way I see it is, I am not buying a laptop based on i7 vs i9, which is great, because I am trying to limit variables in my search. Now I am just looking at screen, GPU, I/0 Ports, cooling, ram lol....
The i7 in a laptop has been the sweet spot for a long time in my opinion. I still have a first gen i7 Sony Vaio laptop and it still does basic things without issue. I've had it for over ten years now I believe. I only upgraded the ram and swapped the hard disk for a SSD and it keeps plugging along. I'm guessing I might notice a difference if I bought a twelve gen i7 laptop.😀
Isn't the same basically true with the 3070's vs 3080's? You hit the thermal dissipation limit long before they perform to their potential. I don't know why this processor info is a surprise. They only make a few dies, then they test the products produced off of it. Those that perform well they label the I9. Those that get too hot at those speeds become I7s or I5s depending on how hot they get and if all the cores and memory work. They just disable the parts that tested poorly and label it a lower model.
Greetings. I'm a bit stuck with choosing a good laptop. I need a laptop for three things: - Systems engineering. - Games, such as Minecraft, Fortnite, Valorant, and Warzone. - Good battery, screen and performance Any laptop you can recommend me? Thanks.
i use it for work/casual gaming so i chose 12900h 3months ago for max power. for average consumer this is something you wouldn't know until you have it both laptop in your hands. thanks for doing this.
It's indeed a scam, people who hasn't done their homework would think the difference between i7 and i9 in laptops are similar to desktops but it's not, it's just basically the same i7 chip but with better silicon so it can handle 100-300mhz higher clock speed.
This is true.. 25% price increase for 2% performance overall.., what's worse the downgrade models $400 price difference in laptops with 12500 vs 12700.. but the performance difference is about 8%. Btw, dont' get the 11xxx gen models unless your getting a dirt cheap deal under $500..
hey Jarrod, I had a question with a mux switch, does the mux switch allow you to adjust digital vibrancy (or monitor settings in general) when Optimus is disabled?
all it does is let the display run straight off the dpu and not go through the igpu. so aside from a slight bit of latency (as for the fps drop through it) it's literally the same image mux or not
Yes for example with Nvidia graphics, you will see more options for external monitor in Nvidia Control Panel comapred to Optimus, such as chroma and bit-depth. If you have a very high-end external monitor or TV, only laptops with the MUX switch can drive it correctly.
Yeahhh finally ! The missing pieces of questions i had. Well it seems a good i7 hx and rtx 3070 ti are the best bet right now. Because that combo price is like 25% cheaper overall. So in europe under 3k euros you have the g67 hx with oled. The rtx 3080 and i9 is a 5k€ + witch is double the price
A few comments. If you run esports games competitively, then a 10% maximum fps difference is not going to be the reason you fork out the extra cash for the i9. If you actually did care just slightly about performance, you wouldn't be gaming on the laptop in the first place. And if we don't go with watercooling, I do wonder how the overall thermals differ between the two cpus and how well they dissipate their heat. My non-tested bias would want to believe the i9 will be more prone to thermal throttling than the i7 but I have no real test basis in this assumption. The i9 is just like running a K variant on a locked motherboard (aka non-z board). You pay extra for specific performance that is locked behind a strict hardware wall. So you pay more to get nothing. And the same can honestly be said about the gpu as well. With those strict power and thermal limits, what is truly the benefit of a 3080Ti-based laptop card? Would it even perform any better than a regular 3080 laptop variant or a 3070 even? I'd be tempted to think that going above an i7 and a 3070 is borderline burning money when talking laptop hardware.
A colleague of mine bought i9 Dell XPS15 in 2019. It was getting so hot that she was afraid it will be damaged as "thin" and i9 doesn't go well together. The laptop died from motherboard issues after 3 weeks of usage. Thermals was horrible. None of was sure what caused the motherboard burn but we suspected malfunctioning power cord. Long story short, MB pro with i7 from late 2013 did a better job eventually.
I just realised - the intel chips are actually quite efficient at lower power levels - at least when I compare them to the apple m series chipsets - sure the m series definitely wins but not by the margin most reviewers show - just take a look at the score of the i7 and i9 at 25 watt power limit (5:08) - the m2 scores a bit less than them while consuming about 7-8 watts less - not that big of a difference.
I have an 12700H and an M1 Max laptop, and I think you're oversimplifying the issue. The advantage with Apple is that it feels fast even on low power mode, and it can simply draw more power when needed to complete heftier tasks. The Intel can put up decent multi-core performance on low power, but it doesn't feel particularly fast. I mean, don't just look at their numbers on synthetic benchmarks; just run them on battery and see how they perform. The Intel needs power to put up good performance, even in bursts, in my experience.
@@mbvglider Because the Apple M chips use TSMC 5nm, they can get more IPC vs Intel 7 process node which is more like 6nm process. Big-Little does work on x86 pretty well, that is the huge sucess of Alder Lake.
Yep this is very common to see from real reviews and not just the highlight readers. If you undervolt intel/amd cpus (or amd/nvidia gpus) they will actually beat Apple in performance/power quite convincingly even. The main reason they don't do it out of the box is because they're cranked so high (basically overclocked from factory) to the point where the absolute peak performance they try to achieve has significant compromise on power efficiency. But if you just slightly undervolt them to bring their power draw back to normal, they will outperform the m2 chips. Apple even said the integrated gpu in the m2 would beat a 3090 in power/performance - but if you just undervolt the 3090 a tiny bit it will outperform the m2 in power/performance by a solid 30% or more. And that's the 3090, the most power hungry of the big Nvidia gpus.
Heck, those cinebench results are so revealing... there's no point in getting a 12900H for the price difference. I just got a 12700h laptop, mostly for graphic work. I already knew the sweet spot was the 12700H in price/efficiency and capability, but I didn't know these two were so close. A 4% more in Photoshop is definitely _not_ something I'd notice, lol. More RAM would do a lot more... Blender performs identical, etc...
This is a bit late, but that might be partly the fault of the OEM’s for putting i9’s in very thin chassis. Still, as you’ve mentioned. There are several additional features useful for business and enterprise cases, so it might make sense to have a thinner non gaming laptop have it. Otherwise, for most people. Core i7’s are the way to go, or maybe an i5 for those not running any intensive workloads.
HX series will win by a significant margin, the i7 has two big cores more. I don't know why Intel launched the 6 p core i7 first, it should be 8. I mean, i7-12700H with DDR4 is basically the same as Tiger Lake 8 core i7, terrible mobile launch by intel
Right..... Remember a Generation back when intel's i-5 CPU's were out performing i-7 CPU's in a lot of benchmarks? And the SAME thing was happening with AMD's Ryzen 5's vs their Ryzen 7? The Conclusion speaks for itself.
Displays are probably the worst part to figure the specs out for when it comes to laptops. The only thing you can do is look through specs hoping they at least have some colour gamut coverage or hope there's a review of the specific laptop you got your eyes on. That said, lower end laptops can have absolutely terrible displays while higher cost ones do at the very least cover srgb with adequate response times for 60 fps.
Go to Notebookcheck, go into display section of the laptop review, look for "Display P3 %" (color accuracy) and "Average cd/m²" brightness. You want a bare minimum of *350 Nits and 70% P3.*
Hey jarrod I have a video idea that might do well. How to quality control check your brand new laptop? New people buying laptops might not know what to look for when receiving their new laptops. So if have issues then they can decide to return or keep the laptop.
Hello and thanks for the video, Is the MSI Katana GF76 Laptop Good? I'm not sure about MSI in general are MSI laptops worth the money compared to Asus?
Great job!! Dude can you suggest which one should I go for? msi leopard i7 11 gen 3070, predator i9 12gen 3060 or asus strix g15 ryzen 6800h 3060. I am looking for a gaming laptop..
HI please advise me which ones use less electricity on my bills laptops or desktop ? I plan to use either one of these running 24/7. Thanks in advance.😂
i9 is just for bragging rights but in practice, to get the most bang for the buck, get the i7... a similar thing is true on desktop too especially for gaming workloads.
The big take away from the first bit., If you are a developer and like to use virtual machines, docker, etc, you might be better off with the i9 because of that support. Yes he said targeted at enterprises, but what that really means is towards systems that build things.
@1:07 - This is wrongly laid out. Overclocking by simply pushing voltage and multiplier is a crude approach. For laptops especially they can benefit hugely from working out a stable undervolt; more power efficient, less heat, more boost headroom, more clock before running out of power limit. A reason to avoid K series laptops is the BIOS provided. Unless the laptop ships with a fully featured desktop BIOS, a K processor is mostly pointless. For reference, I've been running an EVGA SC laptop for years now with a mild 5% overclock but huge undervolt. As a result the laptop with modified settings runs under full load without ever nearing thermal limits. Otherwise the video is fine. Overclocking is for enthusiasts especially for mobile hardware.
Hey Jarrod a question not related to this but other Laptop. I'm planning to buy the Lenovo Legion 5 AMD Ryzen 5 4600H the one with 1TB HDD+256GB SSD. Just wanted to ask is it a good investment for now and how many years it can last? Edit - Forgot to add it is Great Gaming experience what I'm looking for
The way Raptor Lake is looking like to be, it'll another year when Intel Gaming Laptops would be power guzzlers resulting in obvious disadvantages for the portable laptop form factor.
It's been like that since I remember. Before i9 the difference between mobile i5 and i7 (1st gen for example) was very small - the same core count, just slightly higher clocks.
Now begs the question. I saw the MSI has both the i7-12700H and the recent model sports the i7-12800HX. Core wise the HX wins because it got 8P cores and 8E cores vs the 6P and 8E combo. But are the HX CPUs actually faster in games and everyday tasks?
For productivity yea they would be, for gaming maybe in some odd scenario where a game could take advantage but doubtful. The HX allows for undervolting which technically could lead to a measurable improvement because they could stay clocked higher longer given the same cooling and power limits. If it’s just for gaming an h series is fine imo.
I know this is not related to this video but I was wondering if you can cover upgrading a laptop with an MXM GPU and is it worth it and also how to solve the power then new GPU would need. Thanks and keep up the awesome videos
Out of 200+ laptops I've only had one or two with MXM and don't have any on hand, let alone an card to upgrade with so probably not sorry. Maybe if it was more common and still used.
Do both i7 and i9 have liquid metal? It is not obvious on the website: PROCESSORS Intel Core i7-12700H | 6 Performance- & 8 Efficient-cores/20 threads | up to 4.7 GHz | 24 MB cache | 45+ W TDP Intel Core i9-12900H | 6 Performance- & 8 Efficient-cores/20 threads | up to 5.0 GHz | 24 MB cache | 45+ W TDP | sold out liquid metal compound ex factory
Jarrod, should I be using Turbo Boost Max 3.0 on 12th gen laptops? It's disabled by default in my Bios ( x14 ) and I'm just curious if I should be leaving it off.
Hey Jarrod, Great video as always, the i9 imo is definitely not worth it. I have another question: will you by any chance make a video about the best thermal pastes/pads for a gaming laptop? Kryonaut, Noctua Nt H2, honeywell ptm 7950 and so on. Liquid metal is just too big of a risk for me. Cheers.
Could trying to adjust the VFC help on the i9 if it's available? I'm assuming the HX is binned better than the i7 processor. Though, the vanilla 12900H is purely useless, there's no doubt over there.
Helo, Jarrod I found Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 16IAH7H, Intel® Core™ i9-12900H, 16", 2560x1600, RAM 16GB, 1TB SSD, NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX™ 3070 8GB(not ti) , No OS, Storm Grey for 2000$. Is it good for the price and is there anything i should be aware of? Thank you
It has always been a stupid idea building GAMING laptops that thin. i wouldn't mind if they are like 10 or even 15cm wide. i just don't want to carry a desktop around with me but want the performance those chips can deliver and you can't use them anyways without an external power source for more than an hour and that's with like 50% performance in battery mode. I get it that small thin laptops are a thing for many use cases but putting that kind of hardware in such a small case is ridiculous and wasted hardware.
i9-12900H vs i9-12900HX coming soon 😎
Cool! Thanks!
Can u make a comparison video between ryzen 7 6800hs vs ryzen 9 6900hs
HX for HOAX ?
what do you want me to do to send me one of these laptops?
This is the comparison I want to see. Thanks! My kid's HX should be delivered by the end of the day.
The i9 CPU can extract more money from your wallet per watt than the i7. That says something.
I didn't make a graph for that one 🤔
@@JarrodsTech Please do make and share it in community :)
😁👍
i9 are waaay overpriced for the performance difference to the i7 imo. I’d go i7 any day in a laptop.
i got the i9 version on a weekend sale for €50 less than i7 😂👍🏻
or just go ryzen 9 5900HX above because it’s about the same benchmark
@@Marc_YTC 6000 series isn't even close. AMD really need to step up with their new 7000 series this autumn/winter. (this is coming from an AMD fanboy, love their desktop cpus though)
@@_TrueDesire_ yes that’s true but look 👀 how much watts it’s lifting on core i9 and I have ryzen 9 5900HX and it’s close similar benchmarks
@@_TrueDesire_ only coz intel has e-cores , amd approach is way better and they r extremely efficient , we dont need e cores we need only p cores that are fast and efficient.
i9 cpu itself is not a scam, it's a ripoff. OEM's are scammers. They stick i9's in thin and light chassis then jack up the $$$$. That's the real scam.
Agree ,whats the point of placing i9 in thin laptop better put other usefull stuff like huge capacity ssd, oled screen , more ram whatever usefull. Unless it is single workload but honestly the single core gain is small anyway and most singlecore workload is not something extremely heavy that unusable on entry level gaming laptop.
I was thinking that, since the I9 produces less heat, it might be able to boost higher in laptops with more limited cooling solutions than this one, considering it has an external water cooler, so difference might be much more noticeable in a smaller lighter machine
produces more heat than an i7@@kalle5548
Not technically a scam, but definitely scammy. This is meant to dupe casual buyers into the "higher number is better" trap. The difference is so small that nobody is going to notice it. The thermal performance of the laptop is what will decide your performance difference, assuming same power levels.
He says it wasn't a scam at the very beginning. He was just looking for views lol.
@@gravityfallscanada I see what your did here
@@gravityfallscanada yeah yeah I know :D
Both AMD and Intel do this literally every CPU generation. You pay more for a meaningless number or letter.
@@nathangamble125 Yeah, but their especially bad on mobile, where an i5 and i7 can even be the same chip with a small frequency difference. It's annoying.
It is just so great that they send you these machines for testing!
These are just hands down the best comparisons you can make.
Apples to apples!
Yeah for sure, I could have made the comparison months ago, but I think it's worth waiting for the right stuff instead of using two completely different laptops.
The biggest scam that intel did in 12th gen is to lock undervolting for the H models.
Now only the HK and HX can be undervolted.
Fortunately, you can get into the MSI bios and futz around through there if you have one of their laptops. Such a shame as I was really hoping XTU would provide some service.
@@Greez1337 MSI advanced bios doesn't unlock undervolting for the H models. See JT other videos for that.
If your laptop is throttling and you have to underclock them, your laptop doesn't have a good cooling system in the first place.
@@TabalugaDragon I think amd does not support undervolting from the start.
They made Tiger Lake more attractive, i'm using a Haswell 4 core 8 thread mobile i7, 2 bins of overclock and adaptative undervolting. Tiger Lake includes AVX512 instructions.
Haswell was the first gen with FIVR, Alder Lake (at least for laptops) doesn't have FIVR for the H series, i don't know if the HX series has that.
I have a 12700h processor and I’m absolutely satisfied with the performance. I thought about moving up to the i9 but I’m glad I didn’t.
Same
Bro how is the performance of blender in i7??
Agree with everyone on the value for the money argument however, the difference in temperature running Cinebench is significant. For laptops especially those that run into thermal throttling issues, that drop in temps provides a serious enhancement to reliably running your rig at a high level consistently and for extended periods of time. It's easy to look at the benchmark numbers and say the marginal difference in outright performance isn't worth the extra cost, but in just about every other context we all hyper-fixate on operating temps. It's strange to me why that's not the case here.
Wow. I literally needed this video because I was just thinking about this. Great timing! Also Thanks!
I think there is a similar issue with 11th gen i7 and i9. I9 is just a prime example of diminishing return.
Quite possibly, yes.
i9 11900H is pretty cheap tho
@@Birdman._. It's cheap now. Not when it was first out.
Well i7 11800h and i9 11900h and are both 8 core 16 thread so for gaming I doubt you'd notice any difference between them. The clocks may be slightly higher on the i9 so for targeting super high fps it may be slightly faster.
I wouldn't say diminishing return when the processors are mostly identical. The only purpose the i9 serves is for marketing reasons
I just bought a legion 5 pro from the walmart deal and watching reviews like this make me feel good about that purchase.
Considering how loud and hot most laptops get at high clock speeds, a slightly higher clock boost really isn’t enticing at all.
I have the Infinity w5 with the i7 12700h. Absolutely no regrets. Waiting for the aqua cooling box to really take full advantage of this CPU!
Thanks for letting me know I made the right choice. I only wish the Thunderbolt connection would connect to the dGpu instead. Great laptop.
what cooling box did ya get exactly?
Jarrod should get an award for his video titles!
PERFECT TIMING. New problem, I still can't find that i7 12th gen model paired with RTX 3060m :"
I just got the Msi Raider Ge66 with the i7 i can say, is a freaking beast processor, with the 3070ti never thought that a laptop could be that fast, amazing.
i have the GE76 core i9 - you made the right choice. The heat throttling cannot be ignored on these laptops.
I ordered the HP Envy with the Core i9 and I'll probably stick to the i9 even after this video for one reason : fan noise. Since the i9 heats significantly less, it is surely quiter and get better battery life from that. Yes it is not all about fps and benchmarks...
Wow! thanks a lot Jarrod! Another top notch review video from you! Very informative for everyone. I was thinking of buying an i9 laptop and yikes the results are not good, thanks to your yet again another timely and high-quality content, now the itch of buying one is unjustified 😂. Could you now compare a Ryzen 9 vs an i9 laptop please? Thank you!
So if you're custom-speccing a laptop, and you have the choice between an i7 and an i9 (iow, essentially the comparison you have here), the i9 is unlikely to be worth the extra cash. Thanks for all your work, Jarrod.
thank goodness u made a vid of this jarrod, if u didnt, we probably wouldve spent more money getting a i9 when i7 performs almost the same lvl as the i9
Everybody knows this already
*Nobody* , who looks this kind of videos, would even consider to buy something like Core i9 or Ryzen 9, if there is also a much less expensive i7 or R7 version......
@@269ms5 People aren't born knowing everything, just because what you have come to know and learn over time can't be assumed that everyone else has the same knowledge. Otherwise why would 26,000 people have watched the video in less than the first day? Why are you here?
150 euros isn't a massive price difference when it's a 3k machine. Nice video though, love how thorough you are. Plus resale value on a i9 is going to be better.
Can you make the video for 13700hx vs 13900hx or 14700hx vs 14900hx , I am literally confused what to choose i7 or i9
Would love to see a comparison like this or the new CPUs. 13980HX vs 13700HX!
Thanks bro, really great informations. Keep going on 🤟🏻
I was literally just looking for information on this today and you dropped this video today, scary timing. The way I see it is, I am not buying a laptop based on i7 vs i9, which is great, because I am trying to limit variables in my search. Now I am just looking at screen, GPU, I/0 Ports, cooling, ram lol....
The i7 in a laptop has been the sweet spot for a long time in my opinion. I still have a first gen i7 Sony Vaio laptop and it still does basic things without issue. I've had it for over ten years now I believe. I only upgraded the ram and swapped the hard disk for a SSD and it keeps plugging along. I'm guessing I might notice a difference if I bought a twelve gen i7 laptop.😀
Isn't the same basically true with the 3070's vs 3080's? You hit the thermal dissipation limit long before they perform to their potential.
I don't know why this processor info is a surprise. They only make a few dies, then they test the products produced off of it. Those that perform well they label the I9. Those that get too hot at those speeds become I7s or I5s depending on how hot they get and if all the cores and memory work. They just disable the parts that tested poorly and label it a lower model.
Greetings. I'm a bit stuck with choosing a good laptop. I need a laptop for three things:
- Systems engineering.
- Games, such as Minecraft, Fortnite, Valorant, and Warzone.
- Good battery, screen and performance
Any laptop you can recommend me? Thanks.
Great testing and information, I recently had to make this choice and am very happy with the i7.
i use it for work/casual gaming so i chose 12900h 3months ago for max power.
for average consumer this is something you wouldn't know until you have it both laptop in your hands.
thanks for doing this.
It's indeed a scam, people who hasn't done their homework would think the difference between i7 and i9 in laptops are similar to desktops but it's not, it's just basically the same i7 chip but with better silicon so it can handle 100-300mhz higher clock speed.
It's startling, possibly even alarming, to learn that there is a legitimate reason for this question to be asked.
Hi! Thank you for that compaeration. It trully helped me to make decision during buying a new laptop. Thanks!
This is true.. 25% price increase for 2% performance overall.., what's worse the downgrade models $400 price difference in laptops with 12500 vs 12700.. but the performance difference is about 8%. Btw, dont' get the 11xxx gen models unless your getting a dirt cheap deal under $500..
hey Jarrod, I had a question with a mux switch, does the mux switch allow you to adjust digital vibrancy (or monitor settings in general) when Optimus is disabled?
all it does is let the display run straight off the dpu and not go through the igpu. so aside from a slight bit of latency (as for the fps drop through it) it's literally the same image mux or not
Yes for example with Nvidia graphics, you will see more options for external monitor in Nvidia Control Panel comapred to Optimus, such as chroma and bit-depth. If you have a very high-end external monitor or TV, only laptops with the MUX switch can drive it correctly.
Yeahhh finally ! The missing pieces of questions i had. Well it seems a good i7 hx and rtx 3070 ti are the best bet right now. Because that combo price is like 25% cheaper overall. So in europe under 3k euros you have the g67 hx with oled. The rtx 3080 and i9 is a 5k€ + witch is double the price
@@michaelhydehill696 i saw the 3060 can barely have 60 fps on certain recent games at high settings witch is not compeling i think
A few comments. If you run esports games competitively, then a 10% maximum fps difference is not going to be the reason you fork out the extra cash for the i9. If you actually did care just slightly about performance, you wouldn't be gaming on the laptop in the first place.
And if we don't go with watercooling, I do wonder how the overall thermals differ between the two cpus and how well they dissipate their heat. My non-tested bias would want to believe the i9 will be more prone to thermal throttling than the i7 but I have no real test basis in this assumption.
The i9 is just like running a K variant on a locked motherboard (aka non-z board). You pay extra for specific performance that is locked behind a strict hardware wall. So you pay more to get nothing.
And the same can honestly be said about the gpu as well. With those strict power and thermal limits, what is truly the benefit of a 3080Ti-based laptop card? Would it even perform any better than a regular 3080 laptop variant or a 3070 even?
I'd be tempted to think that going above an i7 and a 3070 is borderline burning money when talking laptop hardware.
Seriously you are the best in this Jarrod.
A colleague of mine bought i9 Dell XPS15 in 2019. It was getting so hot that she was afraid it will be damaged as "thin" and i9 doesn't go well together. The laptop died from motherboard issues after 3 weeks of usage. Thermals was horrible. None of was sure what caused the motherboard burn but we suspected malfunctioning power cord. Long story short, MB pro with i7 from late 2013 did a better job eventually.
Great review! People who shop by model generation really should watch it. Also, nice shirt, albeit not from the best period of In Flames hehe
I just realised - the intel chips are actually quite efficient at lower power levels - at least when I compare them to the apple m series chipsets - sure the m series definitely wins but not by the margin most reviewers show - just take a look at the score of the i7 and i9 at 25 watt power limit (5:08) - the m2 scores a bit less than them while consuming about 7-8 watts less - not that big of a difference.
I have an 12700H and an M1 Max laptop, and I think you're oversimplifying the issue. The advantage with Apple is that it feels fast even on low power mode, and it can simply draw more power when needed to complete heftier tasks. The Intel can put up decent multi-core performance on low power, but it doesn't feel particularly fast. I mean, don't just look at their numbers on synthetic benchmarks; just run them on battery and see how they perform. The Intel needs power to put up good performance, even in bursts, in my experience.
@@mbvglider Because the Apple M chips use TSMC 5nm, they can get more IPC vs Intel 7 process node which is more like 6nm process.
Big-Little does work on x86 pretty well, that is the huge sucess of Alder Lake.
Yep this is very common to see from real reviews and not just the highlight readers. If you undervolt intel/amd cpus (or amd/nvidia gpus) they will actually beat Apple in performance/power quite convincingly even. The main reason they don't do it out of the box is because they're cranked so high (basically overclocked from factory) to the point where the absolute peak performance they try to achieve has significant compromise on power efficiency. But if you just slightly undervolt them to bring their power draw back to normal, they will outperform the m2 chips. Apple even said the integrated gpu in the m2 would beat a 3090 in power/performance - but if you just undervolt the 3090 a tiny bit it will outperform the m2 in power/performance by a solid 30% or more. And that's the 3090, the most power hungry of the big Nvidia gpus.
M series sucks because they switched to arm forcing a rewrite of everything. Rosetta 2 won't last forever.
Nice job summarizing the differences between these two chips!
Heck, those cinebench results are so revealing... there's no point in getting a 12900H for the price difference. I just got a 12700h laptop, mostly for graphic work. I already knew the sweet spot was the 12700H in price/efficiency and capability, but I didn't know these two were so close. A 4% more in Photoshop is definitely _not_ something I'd notice, lol. More RAM would do a lot more... Blender performs identical, etc...
The best laptop review ever in RUclips. ❤️
This is a bit late, but that might be partly the fault of the OEM’s for putting i9’s in very thin chassis. Still, as you’ve mentioned. There are several additional features useful for business and enterprise cases, so it might make sense to have a thinner non gaming laptop have it. Otherwise, for most people. Core i7’s are the way to go, or maybe an i5 for those not running any intensive workloads.
It gets a bit more complicated once you factor in th new HX series mobile cpus
If this is 12700H vs i9-12900HX, now the difference in price can be justified.
HX series will win by a significant margin, the i7 has two big cores more.
I don't know why Intel launched the 6 p core i7 first, it should be 8. I mean, i7-12700H with DDR4 is basically the same as Tiger Lake 8 core i7, terrible mobile launch by intel
The problem is that there are both i7 and i9 HX cpus too...so maybe he should do the i7hx vs i9hx.
@@blue13x The i9-12900HX is so overshadowed by the i9-12900K desktop or KS version.
@@saricubra2867 but the focus is on the mobile versions. Ofcourse the desktop will be faster
In many laptops released before,the i9 costs more but performs worse than i7 due to thermal throttling.
Right.....
Remember a Generation back when intel's i-5 CPU's were out performing i-7 CPU's in a lot of benchmarks?
And the SAME thing was happening with AMD's Ryzen 5's vs their Ryzen 7?
The Conclusion speaks for itself.
I need help. Do the FHD and QHD versions of the same laptop have huge differences when it comes to color accuracy and brightness?
That’s completely off topic
@@yomido4018 oh no, is it not allowed to ask for help unless it's on topic??? Grow up.
Displays are probably the worst part to figure the specs out for when it comes to laptops.
The only thing you can do is look through specs hoping they at least have some colour gamut coverage or hope there's a review of the specific laptop you got your eyes on.
That said, lower end laptops can have absolutely terrible displays while higher cost ones do at the very least cover srgb with adequate response times for 60 fps.
Go to Notebookcheck, go into display section of the laptop review, look for "Display P3 %" (color accuracy) and "Average cd/m²" brightness.
You want a bare minimum of *350 Nits and 70% P3.*
@@yomido4018 If you want to flex as an authority figure, get a job as a security officer at COSTCO!
Thank you Jarrod! A very useful video!
Thanks for the review dude.
What about i9 13th 13900hx vs i7 13th 13700hx
Hey jarrod I have a video idea that might do well. How to quality control check your brand new laptop? New people buying laptops might not know what to look for when receiving their new laptops. So if have issues then they can decide to return or keep the laptop.
Yes for other it’s obvious but I don’t know what to look for haha
Just what I needed to see before I upgrade my laptop. Thank You!
Hello and thanks for the video, Is the MSI Katana GF76 Laptop Good? I'm not sure about MSI in general are MSI laptops worth the money compared to Asus?
Great job!! Dude can you suggest which one should I go for? msi leopard i7 11 gen 3070, predator i9 12gen 3060 or asus strix g15 ryzen 6800h 3060. I am looking for a gaming laptop..
Great comparison. Thank You. 👍
I have an i9 in my gaming laptop. Only because the i9 version was on sale and $130 cheaper than the i7 version.
HI please advise me which ones use less electricity on my bills laptops or desktop ? I plan to use either one of these running 24/7. Thanks in advance.😂
Feeling like I did good with 12700 and 150 watt 3070 Lenovo 5i. Is there a comparison of 3070 and 3080/3080ti?
Power limit is everything. I flashed my laptops GPU BIOS 10W more and received a bigger boost than the 1000Mhz memory overclock I am running.
How about the different versions of i9? 12900H, 12900HX and 12950HX! That would be a very interesting comparison!
i9 is just for bragging rights but in practice, to get the most bang for the buck, get the i7... a similar thing is true on desktop too especially for gaming workloads.
I really don't think it is a fair comparison if you use water cooling. 99% of laptops don't have water cooling so this makes the test quite irrelevant
It's to remove any bias from thermal throttling, as all the laptops available have very different cooling methods. It make complete sense.
The big take away from the first bit., If you are a developer and like to use virtual machines, docker, etc, you might be better off with the i9 because of that support. Yes he said targeted at enterprises, but what that really means is towards systems that build things.
So all you do is make videos of questions I think to myself? Dope.
@1:07 - This is wrongly laid out. Overclocking by simply pushing voltage and multiplier is a crude approach. For laptops especially they can benefit hugely from working out a stable undervolt; more power efficient, less heat, more boost headroom, more clock before running out of power limit. A reason to avoid K series laptops is the BIOS provided. Unless the laptop ships with a fully featured desktop BIOS, a K processor is mostly pointless. For reference, I've been running an EVGA SC laptop for years now with a mild 5% overclock but huge undervolt. As a result the laptop with modified settings runs under full load without ever nearing thermal limits. Otherwise the video is fine. Overclocking is for enthusiasts especially for mobile hardware.
Is it the same thing with Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9? :)
Then the legion 5i pro with 12700H + RTX 3070 would be a great value for 1600$.
this is awesome! thank you!
This is excellent info!
Glad it was helpful!
Could not agree more. It's the similar story as last year in terms of thermal performance. i9 in Laptops is unreasonable and in thin-light is scam.
It's a prime example of upselling. Sell them something higher than what's needed.
Lol they're both powerful expensive gaming laptops, neither is in any way "needed"
Hey Jarrod a question not related to this but other Laptop. I'm planning to buy the Lenovo Legion 5 AMD Ryzen 5 4600H the one with 1TB HDD+256GB SSD. Just wanted to ask is it a good investment for now and how many years it can last?
Edit - Forgot to add it is Great Gaming experience what I'm looking for
Where are you getting the 45 watt and 80 watt power limits? Is the power capped at 80 watts on this particular laptop? Can it go higher?
Love the InFlames t-shirt! 😍
The way Raptor Lake is looking like to be, it'll another year when Intel Gaming Laptops would be power guzzlers resulting in obvious disadvantages for the portable laptop form factor.
Jarrod, would you take a 2022 g14 (6800hs,6700s) or a 2022 g15 (6800hs,3060) for school and casual gaming (both are the same price)? Thanks!!
It's been like that since I remember.
Before i9 the difference between mobile i5 and i7 (1st gen for example) was very small - the same core count, just slightly higher clocks.
Now begs the question.
I saw the MSI has both the i7-12700H and the recent model sports the i7-12800HX.
Core wise the HX wins because it got 8P cores and 8E cores vs the 6P and 8E combo.
But are the HX CPUs actually faster in games and everyday tasks?
I would say yes, as those two extra P cores should really help, as long as they are cooled properly.
For productivity yea they would be, for gaming maybe in some odd scenario where a game could take advantage but doubtful.
The HX allows for undervolting which technically could lead to a measurable improvement because they could stay clocked higher longer given the same cooling and power limits.
If it’s just for gaming an h series is fine imo.
I know this is not related to this video but I was wondering if you can cover upgrading a laptop with an MXM GPU and is it worth it and also how to solve the power then new GPU would need. Thanks and keep up the awesome videos
Out of 200+ laptops I've only had one or two with MXM and don't have any on hand, let alone an card to upgrade with so probably not sorry. Maybe if it was more common and still used.
So I am planning to stream on my laptop which would be better for streaming i7 or i9?Last time I got an i5 and I am disappointed with it
Do both i7 and i9 have liquid metal? It is not obvious on the website:
PROCESSORS
Intel Core i7-12700H | 6 Performance- & 8 Efficient-cores/20 threads | up to 4.7 GHz | 24 MB cache | 45+ W TDP
Intel Core i9-12900H | 6 Performance- & 8 Efficient-cores/20 threads | up to 5.0 GHz | 24 MB cache | 45+ W TDP | sold out
liquid metal compound ex factory
Intel fanboys explaining how 30MHz is actually a big deal in 1% lows or something
Great comparison. It helpful.
Jarrod, should I be using Turbo Boost Max 3.0 on 12th gen laptops? It's disabled by default in my Bios ( x14 ) and I'm just curious if I should be leaving it off.
Ok it's 5% at max. But you didn't take into consideration the value of having an epic flair on r/GamingLaptops !
I got the i7-12700H for work. what are those features i am missing you said in the beginning ?
Imo, similarly rtx3070ti is better choice when paired with i7 12700h, provides best value
Jarrod is too polite. it's not "...a little bit waste...", but a direct scam
i got a 12900h laptop for about $300 less than the i7 variants, plus there werent too many i7 laptops that were even available in my country
Im never gonna buy a gaming laptop but i love his content and always interesting to see which band shirt he has on this time.
Hey Jarrod,
Great video as always, the i9 imo is definitely not worth it.
I have another question: will you by any chance make a video about the best thermal pastes/pads for a gaming laptop? Kryonaut, Noctua Nt H2, honeywell ptm 7950 and so on. Liquid metal is just too big of a risk for me. Cheers.
Could trying to adjust the VFC help on the i9 if it's available? I'm assuming the HX is binned better than the i7 processor.
Though, the vanilla 12900H is purely useless, there's no doubt over there.
So is the Laptop with the i7 a bit louder, because of the higher Temperature than the i9?
Can you also do a comparison with the i5-12500H?
Helo, Jarrod
I found Lenovo Legion 5 Pro 16IAH7H, Intel® Core™ i9-12900H, 16", 2560x1600, RAM 16GB, 1TB SSD, NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX™ 3070 8GB(not ti) , No OS, Storm Grey for 2000$. Is it good for the price and is there anything i should be aware of? Thank you
It has always been a stupid idea building GAMING laptops that thin. i wouldn't mind if they are like 10 or even 15cm wide. i just don't want to carry a desktop around with me but want the performance those chips can deliver and you can't use them anyways without an external power source for more than an hour and that's with like 50% performance in battery mode.
I get it that small thin laptops are a thing for many use cases but putting that kind of hardware in such a small case is ridiculous and wasted hardware.
what ive heard-- the games arent even written to use all the cores--- so its usekless unless you running business stuff