I just received my rifle yesterday. Spent all morning and afternoon shooting. I love it already! I know there is a break in period but I was getting hole in hole @ 30 yards. Pushed it out to 50 yards and smacked a 4" steel spinner for 20 consecutive shots. I am far from an experienced shooter and this rifle makes me smile! I've only shot the Hades 15,89 Grain so far. Mannnnn do they mushroom nicely @ 50 yards. Yes, the cocking effort is heavy. But for the power this beast is releasing it's worth it! I can't wait to see what the next 500 shots will produce. Very happy with my purchase. Get yourself one!
So you answered my question with this video... Hatsan sniper vortex qe .22 924 FPS "27" FPE Gamo Swarm Magnum GEN3i .22 H&N BARRACUDA GREEN 997 FPS "28" FPE FIELD TARGET TROPHY 935 FPS "28.5" FPE H&N HORNET 895 FPS "28.8" FPE Comparing your two different videos it looks like Gamo Swarm Magnum GEN3i is the more powerful break barrel air rifle Good stuff. Thanks for all the informative videos 👍
I have the Gen 1 Swarm in .22. It has been great. I've taken many ground squirrels with it out to 40 yards. I just ordered your $10 trigger upgrade. That is a pretty good deal for a less than 2 pound trigger.
Nice to know that the magasins of Gen2 fit for this Gen3. I didn't see anyone say it before on YT. The trigger kit is a fun fact, but for most people think it's best to leave this job to a gunsmith like you said.
The head of the stock screw is bottomed out on the trigger assembly, so it can't be turned in any further. I went to the hardware store and got a screw 2mm longer, and bottomed out that head also. Did the job nicely and passed my bump tests easily. I understand the liability JC is worried about with his vids, and I know our education system is terrible today. But to me, it is insulting to mankind to have a gun smith laugh at you, if you can find one who even cares to do it. He might call the cops on you under some red flag law, if you can't figure that out. lol
I recently bought the pro version of this rifle. I absolutely love it. It is very accurate right out of the box, and I mean really accurate. Mine loves the H&N Baracuda Hunter, the H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme and the Gamo Rocket pellets. I was shooting pcp's a lot, but this one gave me back the love for break barrels. I recommend it 100%. Thank you, JC, for your advice and enthousiasm. Keep doing what you do. Greetings from Belgium, Europe.
BTW...I just shipped out a trigger screw kit to a viewer in Belgium. $2.00 for shipping, so $11.99 total. Email me if you want one for your Gamo. info@airgundetectives.com 😉👍🏻
Gamo Red Fire are also very accurate in this rifle and so should the Daisy HP 15.27-4 grain pellets since they are very similar except the HP doesn’t have a plastic tip. Would love to see the DHPs in your lineup since many of us use them for hunting/pesting/plinking, and target.
Starter for what? There at the top of the food chain for break barrels. Your not going to get a combo of more power and accuracy out of a break barrel and the add in the fact that they weight 2-3 lbs less than most break barrels. They are a great first air rifle if you want the power for fun or hunting. They also help build up upper body strength while cocking them. after 50 shots you got a good workout. After a week of shooting they feel much easier to cock :).
@@charlesoutdoors2424 yeah that guy Frank Cross doesn't know what he's saying talking bout starter rifle, this is Gamo's most powerful air rifle at the moment my cons for this rifle are it's a little too heavy and long, the recoil is too strong it bruises my face after 5-8 shots and my .177 sometimes still breaks the sound barrier with h&n 10.65 pellets when trying to be descrete
The gamo swarm maxim gen 2 i got with a scope was garbage. Wouldnt hold a zero past about 20 shots. I will save it for a bb gun,paintball or airsoft gun.
I have had this for a little while now and I am impressed by how much I enjoy it. I had always had the impression that Gamo was no more than plastic junk at walmart, but when I saw this thing I knew I had to give it a shot. Like you said, its incredibly impressive and I can truly say, there is no marketing BS behind these being so popular, they are fantastic rifles and a powerhouse at that.
It will shoot the Crosman domed 14.3g well enough for most things, but the best so far has been the JSB 18.13g and I average 25ftlbs with just about any pellet in my rifle. @@chriskelly509
I had done my research and originally ordered a Gen 2 off of Amazon a year ago to own my first break barrel air riffle and shoot targets. I always use family & and friends' riffles to go plinking or to shoot targets. Well, when it showed up in the mail I took apart the box and checked out the riffle but something didn't add up. The magazine colors didnt look like a gen 2, and the loader mechanism looked different. I looked back at the box logo & info. It said Gen 3. 😮 🤯 I think somebody in shipping messed up. Since I never got charged the difference 😬😂 cool riffle. I love plinking with this riffle compared to the other gamo .177 swarm wispers that I've shot. I like using the .22 H&N Barracuda Hunter extreme pellets for pests & and plinking. I feel they are more accurate than the Crossman hollow point pellets that i use more for target practice. I have no experience in firearms, so please excuse me if I said a word or something about the riffle wrong. I do recommend this riffle to people you won't regret it.
Hello JC, thanks for discussing the compatibility of the Gen 2 magazines with the Gen 3i system. I just got a Gamo Bone Collector Gen 3i and I thought I would have to spend more money on magazines for the new system. Fortunately I have 8 mags for my .22 Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 3i (which is so difficult for me to cock that I can barely use it!) and I am really glad to know that these Gen 2 mags work with the latest system.
What a beautiful property. Great review brother. Barely trying to get into air rifles for backyard plinking and I am learning a lot from you. Thank you.
Been seeing this one around. Thanks for sharing JC! Their website mentions the new feeding system improves accuracy by making pellet inesertion more consistent. I own a number of Gamo rifles and I'm impressed with the performance for the price. I like the Magnum but I'm not sure I need one? I will probably never go hunting so personally the Fusion or Maxxim are fine for me. Take care bud and have a great holiday weekend with the family!!! I'm going to spend some of this weekend shooting my new Umarex MP7 break barrel carbine!!😁
I’m sitting here with a brand new .177 in my lap. It was the only break barrel that made sense to buy honestly from my point of view. My last couple air rifles have been an umarex octane in .22 that was an absolute peach of a sweet shooter. And an old crossman phantom I painted flat dark earth lol. The umarex was an amazing rifle for years until my uncle borrowed it, for some reason decided to try to disassemble it and lost pieces.. but without ever shooting this gamo I have to say, it’s a step ahead. The octane was a heavy big magnum gun with a thumbhole stock too, but the gamo is so much lighter and better balanced it really feels good in the hands where as shooting the octane always felt like I was wielding a barrel .50 cal..
Instead of the trigger mod, I think the very best mod would be to completely cut the stock off behind the grip and use it as a pistol. When can we expect a video of you doing the stock removal 😉? Have a great weekend man!!!
Have a gamo maxxim gen 2 .177 just bought the gamo magnum gen 2 .177 just because it has open sights on it. Thanks for this review i feel much more confident in my purchase.
The Gamo rifles are really nice guns. I have two of them, and you're right, they are doing something right because both of mine are also incredibly accurate. I really like the feel of them too. The balance is just right and they feel solid, but light. Power of course is superb no matter which Gamo rifle you have. I've had great luck with the red fire pellets for squirrel hunting. Most of my shooting is around 20 to 50 yards max. *Keep the screws in the stock tight!
Got mine not even a week ago. So far....45 yards. Hole in hole in hole on frozen cans. Upwards of 2 to 5 inches of solid ice. Great power and laser accurate even with base scope. Upgrading thatbsoon tho
I think you're the only reviewer that has gotten any kind of accuracy out of gamo breakbarrells the I'd say the upper been around a long time 5 to 10 top reviewers gave it a thumbs down iv had 4 or 5 gamos some that were given to me I could never make them shoot well but I'm glad you did
I'VE BOUGHT GAMO RIFLES & SHOT THEM FOR A WHILE. & ALL OF THEM RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!.... READ BOOK,, PUT ON SCOPE,, LOAD CLIP & SHOOT.... NEEAD A FIELD SIGHT,, BUT BESIDES THAT,, GREAT AIR- RIFLES & REALLY ACCURATE TOO.. AT LEAST ALL I'VE BOUGHT & HUNTED WITH... THANKS GAMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................
I have one of the older model Gamo Magnums and it's a beast. Accurate and powerful. But, the cocking effort is rough. And I'm not a weak guy, but after being out in the woods with it for close to an hour, my arms are worked out. Maybe one day they'll come out with something that makes these break barrels a bit easier to cock, but then again I guess you cant have everything. Thanks JC...I really enjoyed this one.
they look like fix the accuracy too Sir... i got them but i break them and trash cuz accuracy 🤷🏽.. been yrs i found HW97.. heavy but top knot accuracy.. but i think i will buy this gun again .. try it's again.. 👍👍.. thanks Sir
Thanks for the great video. I am looking at the Gamo Replay 10X magnum gen2 but then seen a video on the Gamo Whisper Fusion Mark1 they have the Replay, but will have to weight for the Whisper, At 74 the lighter cocking might be worth waiting for. Now I am shooting the Gamo Varmint .177 the scope was not very good so I upgraded to Tasco Air Gun 3-9X40 witch I like got 3/8 " group at 15 yards even with the terrible trigger this rifle has. I found a great pellet for the Varmint .177 it is the Premier Match Grade .177 cal. 7.9 grain, flat head, not only dose it group great but will also go through a 1" peace of pine board.
These air rifles are all pellet picky, and its really helpful to find specific pellets which are best suited to which particular air rifles such as the Hornet for this Gamo mag. gen 3, as you have shown us. I would never use a Barracuda Green for anything except for a sound barrier crack I suppose.
Its funny you mention finding that fluke pellet , i did the same with my gen 2 . Its the crosman destroyers . Its absolutely stacks them and i get around 29.2 fpe as well.. Who would have thought..lol
I'm not sure, but the 10 shot mag definitely makes it a lot of fun. The new gamo magnum gr .25 is rated at 1000 fps, so if anything, that would be the best rifle. Probably at 750 fps in a heavier pellet which would definitely beat the competition in my opinion, the only issue is that you can't get it with swarm 10 shot mag. I've been waiting for the swarm version but maybe they're not making it??? Idk
Great review!! It sold me, I’ve looked at several but kept coming back to this one!! I ordered it this morning!! I’ll definitely look at the trigger up grade!! I’m one of your newest subscribers!! Thanks for sharing!!
Good review as always. I do have one question: if the magazine should malfunction or break , can this rifle be shot in single shot hand fed fashion , such as the regular single shot Gamo break barrels?
I just received my Gamo Swarm Magnum today! I still haven't received my enhancement screw from you.I am a Professional. Rhis makes my 4th Magnum Air Rifle for my company of pest control. CRITTER GETTER PEST ELIMINATOR DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP LOL
Needs to be updated to have a 8-10 shot auto loading pellet magazine. Loading 1 pellet at a time is old school and cumbersome, especially in cold winter temps outside.
Hunter Extreme Pro .22 has SAS and cat trigger I like that rifle because it has the same power plant as swarm magnum 1300 fps using pba I like it because it doesn't have the inertia fead 10x magazine it is traditionally loaded break barrel one pellet each time you break it. Also has front and rear fiber optic sights. Looks cool and old school beechwood frame. If when I purchase I'd like to upgrade the trigger with your kit. 1.5 lb pull would be nice
I'd like to see a video tour of your yard/ pool area/ shooting range area. Showing the maximum shooting distance available and what it all looks like. I dream to have a house with a pool and mini shooting range someday.
this video was the reason why I bought my first air rifle. Thank you JC for the great trigger product. Looking forward to installing it and dialing in this same exact air rifle. Appreciate the time you spend explaining in great detail the nuances of this gamo air rifle and the very helpful tips. Looking forward to more content. Perhaps you might demonstrate how to bore sight this air rifle with a laser bore sight? Just a suggestion. I posted a question about that on a reddit thread and got conflicting information about whether it is even possible to precisely zero the scope with a laser bore device...the concern was the moderator design and baffles inside that might interfere with a laser bore sight device. I have not tried it yet, so perhaps you might look at that and see if there is a method, or a workaround. The reason I am recommending this is due to many that are stating that the OEM scope does not hold zero very well and thus a replacement scope with more durability is recommended. I anticipate this will probably hold true and thus setting zero for the scope will be necessary. I know how to do a proper live fire zero, but coming from a powder rifle background, bore sighting saves alot of time and money and it's been my experience it is far more simple to get to a near perfect zero...without sending a round down range. And that is helpful for lots of reasons, mainly that it can be done in the backyard and not scare the pajamas out of my sleepy neighbors. Thanks again.
@@AirgunDetectives received the trigger screw in mail today... Thank you. nice touch with the personal note. also, really like the Belgian Malinois postage stamp. That's a keeper!
@@tdmmcl1532 Did not really answer your question huh. With a 16gr. pellet your pellet will drop one mill dot about every 28 yards, which is a flat trajectory for air guns. I don't think a bore sight would be beneficial. (I sight my air guns in a 40 yards by the way). If you shoot a lot, that gun will break any scope, and I have broken about 5 of them so far. My favorite is a little Leupold 33mm, 3-9 power with adjustable objective lens from the freedom line. It was like $320, but an extra $230 to putting a mil dot reticle in their custom department. Most scopes die at about 500 shots with a mag springer air gun, and I got over 4000 before I sent it back for repair with their lifetime warranty, (which is why I popped so much.). Of course, it did not come back as good as new,---so I will collect more data when I get time and send it back. You could have gotten a 2mm longer screw at your local hardware store for about 30 cents. So he ripped you good, and I answered your questions a bit.
@@EarthSurferUSA I bought the hawke vantage mil dot. Life time warranty. The Gamo oem scope is definitely a challenge to zero and the overall operation is ancient and not very smooth. One thing I noticed is that the gamo scope can not be shifted back to my natural eye position. I moved it as far back on the rings as it can go and I still feel uncomfortable straining to get closer to the eye piece. I hope this longer hawke scope will solve that issue and be easier to work with and last. fingers crossed.
update on laser bore sight for the gamo swarm magnum Gen3i .177 (this probably applies to all Gamo rifles in any caliber that uses the same gamo moderator "can"): does not work! The internal baffles are set in a series at different distances and the bore sight will not meet and match those internal baffles. I tried different size adapters, but could not find any that seats precise enough to make the laser aligned to the plane of the bore. Frustrating! I contemplated removing the moderator baffles, but the moderator shroud is quite deep (almost 5 inches) and that makes placing the relatively short laser into the bore = mission impossible. another update: I have three gen3i 10x autoloader magazines. NONE OF THEM are manufactured properly and present the pellet well out of alignment to the bore when cocking. This means the pellets is being crushed on one side as it is being pushed into the bore. So, I decided to manually load pellets to experiment if that misalignment was making a difference and indeed it does. Now, the shot group is much more consistent with far fewer fliers. It is quite disappointing to see this manufacturing design flaw in an otherwise good air rifle. If you look at the 10x magazine, you will notice this. Each pellet chamber is offset to true by about 40 percent! There is no way the autoloader pusher rod is going to push a pellet into the bore without causing either skirt or ball (or both) damage. I noticed this because one of the RWS BB pellet hybrid pellets was breaking apart during loading and the little brass/copper bb was falling out, but not the lead body-skirt. This lead me to realize the pellets were getting crushed by this flaw in the 10x magazine loader. Today, I bought a .17 cleaning rod and used it to push pellets back out of the breech to inspect them. Each pellet had damage to the skirt and tip. This is due to the out of true 10x magazine chambers that present the pellets well outside the plane of the bore. This means the pusher rod is forcing them back into the breech and they get jacked up. Manually feeding the pellets demonstrated this flaw is very real as the grouping and consistency of shots is so much better. I contacted gamo about this and will hopefully have them address this. That all three 10x magazines have this very same flaw tells me this is a design issue that is not easy to solve. I will probably just remove the 10x autoloader assembly altogether and just convert it to a more reliable single manually shot rifle.
Awesome, informative video. Thank you. I just ordered mine and cant wait to get it. Do you have any suggestions that i should know about? That would be helpful. Thanks
Greetings JC from England 🇬🇧, another great review. You cover everything you need to know . Thank you. Whot a super rifle, that will give you years of service..... cheers Simon
Hi Simon, I hope all is well. Sad to hear about your Queen. The Zeus may exceed your joules restrictions a bit🤣 But you are welcome to shoot mine if you visit the states. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives Hi , things are going OK thank you. Yes we are most upset about our Queen , she was so loving and kind to the world 🌎 . God save the King 🤴. Wow that's kind of you ! Would love a go with the Beast . Take care . 🙂 .... Cheers Simon from England 🇬🇧 👍
I still use a generation 1 swarm and I'd have never double fed it and I guess if I was worried that I may have loaded it and not known it I would just take the magazine out and break the barrel and you can see
I think the manufacturers are always looking for an upgrade. I didn't think there was any issues with the Gen2 either. Just like cars, always trying to improve the models. Happy Shooting!
@@AirgunDetectives so the magazine works with h&n hornet, i have an earlier model Gamo swarm max that does not work well with polymer or brass tip pellets, if they are longer than standard pellets do not load well in the magazine
I know there are people who purchased a gen 2 with open sights and were sent the Gen 3i without open sights, they were pretty upset because they purchased the gen 2 for the open sights and Gamo did not tell them they were being sent a gen 3i instead. I can imagine they would be upset to find out a gen 3i with open sights were to come out later.
I own both the Gen-2 and the Gen-3. There is absolutely no difference in the performance. They both take the same inertia magazines. But, as you stated, the Gen-2 has the nice fiber-optic open sites. My eyes are not as good as they use to be so I tend to go with the scopes regardless. I would have your friends contact Gamo and double check the future of the Gen3i. Again, I am surprised at the accuracy. I tested a Gen-2 and two Gen-3 Magnums and they were a virtual tie, amazing groups. Sounds like the Gen-2 may be a rare unit. Anyway. Happy Shooting! 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives that's what I've heard as well, the gen 2 and 3 are virtually the same. My buddies who own a gen 3 are happy with the performance they just wish an option for open sight's were there. I'm waiting for a gen 3 with open sight's before I jump the gun and get one haha. Anyways I love your videos, very entertaining and you cover all grounds without being biased, it's refreshing to see. Keep it up my friend
So I noticed the decibel level was very low on this for the power available to take a midsize animal like a raccoon. Not sure if I missed that as a positive but I would certainly emphasize that as a very strong positive.
I can confirm 100% that the Baracuda Green is the most accurate pellet for this gun. I tried everything under the sun too, Hornets, Mags, Terminators, Red Fires, Hades, FTT's, etc. This is definitely a fluke indeed!
try the 10.65 gamo TS-10 Long range. It's been the best pellet for my gen3 .177 ..and does not go super sonic, so it's quieter and the flight is more consistent. This pellet is also coated with what feels like a wax like substance and you can hear and feel the pellet fit more snugly in the breech and the sound blast is the same tone, pellet after pellet, indicating to me they are consistently produced. this pellet is also much cheaper than the H&N green match in the same "magnum" gr weight (~10.49)
Can't wait for mine to arrive in the mail! Awesome review as usual!!! I got heavy grain pellets. I do like those lighter weights, but we'll see! very wooow! LOL!
Very detailed and informative presentation. I just ordered a Fusion gen2, but was sent the gen3i instead. I prefer open sights, but I guess I'll try it. can you do a video with the Fusion gen3i?
Haven't heard of a Gen3 "Fusion?" Now this review is on the Gen3i Swarm Magnum and I do compare the Gen2i. They don't currently make the Gen2i and the Gen3i does not have open sights at this point. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
I just got mine few days ago, your review helped me to decide to get this rifle, sadly I got it from Amazon and the package was open and missing the magazine, Amazon didn't do anything about, same problem with Amazon when I got my PT-85. 177 cal, it came out of its box, why IDK, so today I'll look for my $10 investment;-)
I ordered my gen3i from Bass Pro and it was an absolute pleasure talking to the order person. Delivered by FedEx very quick and safe. Can't say enough good things about Bass Pro in Springfield, Missouri. It was a phone order and wonderful people to die business with.
The Gamo Fusion rifle I’ve had 2. Each has a problem with the scope mounting. The tiny pins that hold the scope from recoil movements tends to push the pin holes back. Being aluminum. Both of my Gamo rifles have done this. After the holes wear the scope is always off target. No matter how much you adjust it. This is a huge problem for me.
Yes, using solid scope mounts and the proper size pin is essential. They definitely can wear those pin holes in that RRR (Recoil Reducing Rail), especially if the rings slip and pin is not the right fit. 👍🏻
What is your height above sea level there? I am at 790 meter / 2590 ft above sea level and my Magnum maximum is 23 fpe. If I do the math with average air pressures in mind, and if you are at sea level, mine must give about 26 fpe. Regarding the trigger adjustment; I did mine in winter time and now that it is warm here in South Africa, and the rifle was in the sun for a while, the trigger was much more sensitive and went of by itself once as I closed the barrel. The heat obviously changed something. I immediately adjusted it to a save level again. This might be something to mention to your viewers.
Did you try the 18 grain crow magnum? Longer pellet with more surface touching the rifling and in my gamo magnum it's the only one that has been accurate out of dozens of different pellets brands
Yes, that aren't bad but I was totally caught off guard by these Baracuda Green pellets. Just under 14 grains. They do have longer skirts and they go into the magazine very nicely. I never dreamed this light of a pellet could produce this type of accuracy. Have a great weekend!!
update on the trigger mod and overall performance of .177 Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3i: 1. trigger is much much lighter. I also adjusted the first stage so the trigger travel before hitting the "wall" was less. I did the shake and bump test several times to make sure it was safe. It is a vast improvement over the stock second stage adjustment point. About half the force! And that has made a huge difference in shot groupings. Very tight now. 2. I experimented with 9 different weight pellets. What I found is that I could shoot supersonic easily in the 5 to 8.5 gr weights and it was very flat all the way out to 70 yards with very little drop. About 2 inches drop average in the 5 to 8.5 weights. Above 9 is where this .177 seems to not break mach, and it's much quieter, by at least 20 decibels. But at those weights, especially above 9, the drop at 70 yards was significantly more - about 4-6 inches. So I recorded the elevation numbers for those weights. While the trajectory was flatter for the smaller weights, kinetic force at impact was far less than the higher weights. But there was definitely a "sweet spot" for weights, where trajectory was very good and impact kinetics was also good. I found the H&N Baracuda Power Domed 10.65 gr maintained good down range power and still maintained a pretty flat trajectory..about 3 inches at 70 yards. not bad! The smaller weights were fast and flat but could not penetrate an old oil filter through and through at 70 yards. Almost all of the above 9 gr weights penetrated through and through! Some of the smaller weights only made a dent. I also had good results with the Gamo Pellets TS-10 Long Distance 10.49 gr. There was very little difference between it and the H&N! 3. In terms of shot grouping, there was not much difference with any of the weights. Once properly zeroed, they all seemed to make decent grouping, with the occasional flyer that was more likely due to either ME, or a minor defect in the pellet that I did not notice when loading. 4. Wind effects: today it was blowing 10-15 steady, and it was quite a challenge. But here is something of a surprise! The smallest gr weights seems to have the least amount of deflection from the wind. This is something that I was not expecting! The H&N (above) and the GAMO TS-10 did okay, but out at 70 yards they were deflected by almost 4 inches! For the 6 gr going supersonic, with a rounded nose, the deflection was only about 2-3! The only thing I can assume is that the time in flight was less, far less, for these smaller weights. of course, it may have been in pellet shape, but there is definitely something to the nature of supersonic when dealing with windage. Something I really did not expect to see in a pellet air rifle.. I chalk that up to a very powerful GAMO! (which is why I bought it...faster is what I was after in the .177 so I could move the heavier gr weights down range, on the assumption they would perform better across the board. Learned something I did not expect. the light pellets going supersonic even out at 70 yards were not deflecting as much as these heavier pellets that cannot go mach. huh...I guess it's true what they say: each gun and pellet has it's own unique performance characteristics! 5. final comment about pellet: The RWS Power Ball 2317414 Air Gun Ammo .177 (9.4 gr) goes supersonic in this rifle and it is incredibly flat and hard hitting, penetrating the oil filter through and through at 70 yards. However, I could not produce very consistent groupings. I think this is likely due to slight variations in the manufacturing of this two part pellet. the ball is either glued or soldered to the lead body and skirt. I looked at a few of them under a strong magnifying glass, and there were some very small variations between random pellets. The "shoulder" where the ball is attached to the lead body seemed to have dips and peaks, so I think the ball (which appears to be a solid brass round pellet), isn't precisely set in the manufacturing process. I don't have the patience to pick through the entire can each time and sort them, so I will unlikely recommend these pellets, even though they fly mach, very flat and hit hard. About 3 out of 20 went totally off the reservation! By more than a foot at 70 yards. Even closer down at the standard 35 yards, I observed the same thing. Which is frustrating because these do appear to be a very good design on paper. I'll be looking at something similar and test. ( if I get a wild hair, I might experiment with super gluing a ball pellet to a small weight pellet and see what happens! 🙂
Does the Gen 2 have something so you can't load another round when one is already loaded to fire? I know that gen 3 has that but I wanted to use open sights if needed.
@@AirgunDetectives i have the same gun and it shoots around 60 fps slower than your magnum same pellets but I am at 5800 feet above the see level , do you think that is the reason I get less velocity
@bobybaba5267 some rifles just very a bit in velocity. This can do with the piston and breech seals, or even the gas ram. 50-60 fps is not out of the ordinary. Also, you should be experiencing higher velocity at the greater altitude. There is less resistance so you should be getting higher FPS. Also, not sure how many shots you have through your rifle. It takes a few hundred rounds for the seals to seat.
I really hope the .22 Gen3 is cycling better than the .177 Gen1 ! I had nothing but problems with them I destroyed one due to a mag jam, got an other one from warranty...still needed to seat half of the pellet designs by hand to not ruin the breech seal! So I ripped it right off and now I can finaly try to enjoy the rifle Never again I will buy a multishot break barrel [This goes for the new Umarex and Crosman magfire too]
Great airgun! just curious,,how many pellets did you test till you found the one it liked? and on average for airguns,,,how many do you try till you find the that works best?
@@AirgunDetectives I tested 19 different pellets for one of my break barrels today. I see guys on youtube test only like 3 or 4 pellets. I would love to find a pellet that can hit a shotgun shell at 40 yards for all 3 of my break barrels. Wondering how much testing it's going to take..lol
Hello, thank you very much for all these reviews. I do have two questions, 1- would it be recommended for left handed? I have heard beeman was made for both right and left handed. If not what would you recommend? What is the difference between the magnum, the fusion, bone collector or other model? Thank you very much
After about 750 pellets the block that the barrel goes into will wear in there from that point on everything goes south it won't repeat it won't lock up right or lockup strong it happens to every camo except the older one there was some older ones that were pretty good but this new plastic stuff is not going to be a long-term gun at all
Not true on mine, with over 5000 shots with my first one. That one though, (out of 3 of them I had), did not lock up totally vertically when new. But it still shot great, (I have never seen a YT channel who can shoot a springer better than I can.), and did not get worse in over 5000 shots. What failed after 750 shots is most likely the scope. I have only had one scope that lasted over 500 shots on these mag guns, (Leupold Freedom series 3-9X33), and it broke with over 4000 shots on it,--but has a lifetime warranty and was fixed promptly.
Man this gun is a beast I think I found my second air rifle. I picked up the ruger apx from Walmart and it’s a great little back yard rifle. It’s a .177 but am wanting something I can shoot farther with and this one has got some serious power. I’m considering the .177 variation of this gamo because I know it will shoot lighter lead pellets above 1150 fps. Just not sure if the higher fps in the .177 will perform well or not. Do you have a review of the 17cal? I know a lower fps with a heavier weight is still powerful enough to take a turkey with ease but I just enjoy to hear them crack the sound barrier. Great review brother I’m just getting back into shooting since I was a kid haven’t hunted in 17 years but my boy is 6 and he enjoys shooting with me and I kind of miss shooting and can shoot these in my yard so I don’t have to make special trips to the range which is awesome. Thanks for sharing!
Get the .22 caliber. It is much more accurate and it provides higher FPE (Foot Pounds of Energy) In a Magnum rifle you don't want .177. The lighter pellets are not as accurate. You would find yourself trying to locate really heavy .177 pellets to attempt to create better accuracy. Too much of a hassle. Go with the .22 caliber, it is definitely more powerful. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives Ok thank you for your response i appreciate your time. I agree I think the 22 is the way to go although I just learned gamo has the .25 break barrel but for now the 22 is a great idea can shoot slugs in it I believe so for back Yard shooting would be perfect. Thank you sir!
@@robertbrewer1152 .177 Gen3i is a great rifle. Just use heavy .177 pellets ( +10gr and over) and you'll see the difference. Dont pay to much attencion to this "detective" when he is just trying to sell another gun to everybody. Get the Gen3i .177 as you though and you will see how formidable of a pellet rifle it is! Hight accuracy, longer range, etc. H&N barracudas and other pellets are great for the Gen3i .177. Best regards.
THX JC! Amazing power figures. The overall length is a bit much I'm afraid, but one does need such barrel leverage for obtaining high power. It makes this gun a bit overly slender. to my eye.. ... And how did the sound mod work - is it sufficiently quiet ? A question about the general approach to your testing. Some of your piston guns (springer and gas ram) seem very very powerful. I wonder for how long such guns will maintain their initial performance (within a reasonable margin for the accuracy & power figures). If you decide to keep an indiviual gun and you shoot it very frequently, could you do a short revisit after a certain shot count (e.g. 25 K shots), to check its accuracy and power at that point ? That would be a real asset for the candidate buyers. It would fit a really suspicious detective. IOW: a series called "Airgun DETECTIVES REVISITED" ? Or even: "AIRGUN SLEUTH" ? Or: "AIRGUN COLOMBO" ??? LOL !
😆🤣You might have something there...all these rifles are pretty easy to rebuild if necessarry but you will get 1000's of rounds through most of them. Happy Shooting!
Most break barrels will maintain there power for, well, at least 20 years cause that's the oldest one I bought new. they take about 1000 shots to really wear in the piston and seals so they become really smooth on all the contact points inside. That makes them shoot the most consistent and maybe a little stronger. Some guns have oil and grease getting in the compression chamber when there new and this cause them also to be inconsistent at first. Haven't noticed it with my 3 Gamos so the factory must be lubing them properly. That said springs can break and gas rams can lose pressure but not very often.
I really like that idea! The rifle is pretty quiet , not much difference then any other one. The way the pellet smacks the target is probably the loudest part. I really like the rifle even though i have more expensive brands. The Gamo magnum gen 3 .22 is my go to work horse! Hard to beat if you ask me
JC, you used a light weight pellet in that magnum, I was surprised also. The .177 Mag 3i is recommended by Gamo in Spain where they make these, to use JSB Match Diabolo Exact Express .177 Cal 8.44 Gr. Domed. I just received an email from them. I was thinking the heaviest pellet would be the cure.
Need help with Scope. Pyramyd recommended the Bugbuster scope which i bought. Seems too small for this rifle. No room to move it back to where i can use the cheek pad and get a clear site picture through the scope. Compared to my Benjamin vaporizer.. its perfect. Even with the stock scope, just seems the Magnum has a longer butt stock. To get close enough to the scope i have to sit the butt on my shoulder.
Hi, would the Magnum G2 shoot very similar to the G3? and which one would be less pressure for cocking, or are they the same? I can handle it, but not sure about my son. Thanks for any comments.
Very impressive airgun .I love how accurate it is. This is one I might have to add to the collection. And just for the record I do love short skirts 😳🤣
After watching many videos on air rifles, this video convinced me to buy the Gen3i. I've had it for a few weeks now, & just love it.
I just received my rifle yesterday. Spent all morning and afternoon shooting. I love it already! I know there is a break in period but I was getting hole in hole @ 30 yards. Pushed it out to 50 yards and smacked a 4" steel spinner for 20 consecutive shots. I am far from an experienced shooter and this rifle makes me smile! I've only shot the Hades 15,89 Grain so far. Mannnnn do they mushroom nicely @ 50 yards.
Yes, the cocking effort is heavy. But for the power this beast is releasing it's worth it! I can't wait to see what the next 500 shots will produce. Very happy with my purchase. Get yourself one!
Hi, did the cocking get easier or does it take the same effort? Would you recommend this over the gen2? thanks
So you answered my question with this video...
Hatsan sniper vortex qe .22
924 FPS
"27" FPE
Gamo Swarm Magnum GEN3i .22
H&N BARRACUDA GREEN
997 FPS
"28" FPE
FIELD TARGET TROPHY
935 FPS
"28.5" FPE
H&N HORNET
895 FPS
"28.8" FPE
Comparing your two different videos it looks like Gamo Swarm Magnum GEN3i is the more powerful break barrel air rifle
Good stuff. Thanks for all the informative videos 👍
I appreciate you watching! Happy Shooting 😉
Definitely worth the price...really good power without having to fill up tanks and all the other extra stuff you have to buy with PCP
Great Rifle! Thanks for watching and i appreciate you leaving comments!
I have the Gen 1 Swarm in .22. It has been great. I've taken many ground squirrels with it out to 40 yards. I just ordered your $10 trigger upgrade. That is a pretty good deal for a less than 2 pound trigger.
You will be surprised at what that little screw will do in improving your performance. Have a great weekend, Levi!
Nice to know that the magasins of Gen2 fit for this Gen3. I didn't see anyone say it before on YT. The trigger kit is a fun fact, but for most people think it's best to leave this job to a gunsmith like you said.
The head of the stock screw is bottomed out on the trigger assembly, so it can't be turned in any further. I went to the hardware store and got a screw 2mm longer, and bottomed out that head also. Did the job nicely and passed my bump tests easily. I understand the liability JC is worried about with his vids, and I know our education system is terrible today. But to me, it is insulting to mankind to have a gun smith laugh at you, if you can find one who even cares to do it. He might call the cops on you under some red flag law, if you can't figure that out. lol
I recently bought the pro version of this rifle. I absolutely love it. It is very accurate right out of the box, and I mean really accurate. Mine loves the H&N Baracuda Hunter, the H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme and the Gamo Rocket pellets. I was shooting pcp's a lot, but this one gave me back the love for break barrels. I recommend it 100%. Thank you, JC, for your advice and enthousiasm. Keep doing what you do. Greetings from Belgium, Europe.
I just picked up the latest version of the Magnum and will review it in the next several weeks😉👍🏻
BTW...I just shipped out a trigger screw kit to a viewer in Belgium. $2.00 for shipping, so $11.99 total. Email me if you want one for your Gamo. info@airgundetectives.com 😉👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives I'll keep it in mind, but for now the trigger is perfect for me. Thanks! 👍
Hi JC, nice detailed review as usual. The trigger adjustment screw is a real must-have change. Have a great weekend. Cheers
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Gamo Red Fire are also very accurate in this rifle and so should the Daisy HP 15.27-4 grain pellets since they are very similar except the HP doesn’t have a plastic tip. Would love to see the DHPs in your lineup since many of us use them for hunting/pesting/plinking, and target.
Open sights are good for determining if your scope is going bad.
That inertia magazine is really a impressive piece of engineering IMO.
These are great starter rifles. Super accurate, clean from the factory, easy to setup, awesome mags, and it comes with a scope!
..And plenty of power....Have a great weekend, Frank!!!
Starter for what? There at the top of the food chain for break barrels. Your not going to get a combo of more power and accuracy out of a break barrel and the add in the fact that they weight 2-3 lbs less than most break barrels. They are a great first air rifle if you want the power for fun or hunting. They also help build up upper body strength while cocking them. after 50 shots you got a good workout. After a week of shooting they feel much easier to cock :).
@@charlesoutdoors2424 yeah that guy Frank Cross doesn't know what he's saying talking bout starter rifle, this is Gamo's most powerful air rifle at the moment my cons for this rifle are it's a little too heavy and long, the recoil is too strong it bruises my face after 5-8 shots and my .177 sometimes still breaks the sound barrier with h&n 10.65 pellets when trying to be descrete
The gamo swarm maxim gen 2 i got with a scope was garbage. Wouldnt hold a zero past about 20 shots. I will save it for a bb gun,paintball or airsoft gun.
I have had this for a little while now and I am impressed by how much I enjoy it. I had always had the impression that Gamo was no more than plastic junk at walmart, but when I saw this thing I knew I had to give it a shot. Like you said, its incredibly impressive and I can truly say, there is no marketing BS behind these being so popular, they are fantastic rifles and a powerhouse at that.
What pellets do you like for it so far?
It will shoot the Crosman domed 14.3g well enough for most things, but the best so far has been the JSB 18.13g and I average 25ftlbs with just about any pellet in my rifle. @@chriskelly509
Enjoy! Happy Shooting 😉
I had done my research and originally ordered a Gen 2 off of Amazon a year ago to own my first break barrel air riffle and shoot targets. I always use family & and friends' riffles to go plinking or to shoot targets. Well, when it showed up in the mail I took apart the box and checked out the riffle but something didn't add up. The magazine colors didnt look like a gen 2, and the loader mechanism looked different. I looked back at the box logo & info. It said Gen 3. 😮 🤯
I think somebody in shipping messed up. Since I never got charged the difference 😬😂 cool riffle. I love plinking with this riffle compared to the other gamo .177 swarm wispers that I've shot. I like using the .22 H&N Barracuda Hunter extreme pellets for pests & and plinking. I feel they are more accurate than the Crossman hollow point pellets that i use more for target practice. I have no experience in firearms, so please excuse me if I said a word or something about the riffle wrong. I do recommend this riffle to people you won't regret it.
Hello JC, thanks for discussing the compatibility of the Gen 2 magazines with the Gen 3i system. I just got a Gamo Bone Collector Gen 3i and I thought I would have to spend more money on magazines for the new system. Fortunately I have 8 mags for my .22 Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 3i (which is so difficult for me to cock that I can barely use it!) and I am really glad to know that these Gen 2 mags work with the latest system.
What a beautiful property. Great review brother. Barely trying to get into air rifles for backyard plinking and I am learning a lot from you. Thank you.
Been seeing this one around. Thanks for sharing JC! Their website mentions the new feeding system improves accuracy by making pellet inesertion more consistent. I own a number of Gamo rifles and I'm impressed with the performance for the price. I like the Magnum but I'm not sure I need one? I will probably never go hunting so personally the Fusion or Maxxim are fine for me. Take care bud and have a great holiday weekend with the family!!! I'm going to spend some of this weekend shooting my new Umarex MP7 break barrel carbine!!😁
You have a great weekend as well and thanks again for tuning in!
" I like the Magnum but I'm not sure I need one?" Need? All we "need" is food, shelter and clothing. But what kind of a human existence is that? :)
I’m sitting here with a brand new .177 in my lap. It was the only break barrel that made sense to buy honestly from my point of view. My last couple air rifles have been an umarex octane in .22 that was an absolute peach of a sweet shooter. And an old crossman phantom I painted flat dark earth lol. The umarex was an amazing rifle for years until my uncle borrowed it, for some reason decided to try to disassemble it and lost pieces.. but without ever shooting this gamo I have to say, it’s a step ahead. The octane was a heavy big magnum gun with a thumbhole stock too, but the gamo is so much lighter and better balanced it really feels good in the hands where as shooting the octane always felt like I was wielding a barrel .50 cal..
just got the gen 3 airgun. have taken 3 squirrels in 2 days. good accuracy even though my 14.3 gr. pellets were loaded backwards!! a real dan'l boone!
Great hunting rifle!👍
Your trigger mod helps so much with the long and heavy pull trigger. Accuracy and consistency goes way up.
I like the trigger adjustment screw from Airgun Detectives. Perfect fit and without the ugly large socket head. Modifications need to look good.
Doug, I am happy that worked out for you! Happy Shooting!
“29”FPE? Crazy in a break barrel!
It is definitely a great performer! Have a great weekend!
Instead of the trigger mod, I think the very best mod would be to completely cut the stock off behind the grip and use it as a pistol. When can we expect a video of you doing the stock removal 😉? Have a great weekend man!!!
😆😅🤣 I have the saw-zaw ready to go! It may be a bit difficult to cock though..Take care Josh!
Waka waka waka.
-Fozzie Bear
I purchase one of your trigger screws and really like it .. Thanks JC .
Gary, I am glad that worked out for you! Happy Shooting!
nice shooting review, looking forward on swarm bone collector gen3i review as well.
I appreciate you tuning in and happy Shooting!
Have a gamo maxxim gen 2 .177 just bought the gamo magnum gen 2 .177 just because it has open sights on it. Thanks for this review i feel much more confident in my purchase.
I appreciate you watching 👍🏻
The Gamo rifles are really nice guns. I have two of them, and you're right, they are doing something right because both of mine are also incredibly accurate. I really like the feel of them too. The balance is just right and they feel solid, but light. Power of course is superb no matter which Gamo rifle you have. I've had great luck with the red fire pellets for squirrel hunting. Most of my shooting is around 20 to 50 yards max. *Keep the screws in the stock tight!
Thanks again!
Thank you!
Got mine not even a week ago. So far....45 yards.
Hole in hole in hole on frozen cans. Upwards of 2 to 5 inches of solid ice. Great power and laser accurate even with base scope. Upgrading thatbsoon tho
I think you're the only reviewer that has gotten any kind of accuracy out of gamo breakbarrells the I'd say the upper been around a long time 5 to 10 top reviewers gave it a thumbs down iv had 4 or 5 gamos some that were given to me I could never make them shoot well but I'm glad you did
I'VE BOUGHT GAMO RIFLES & SHOT THEM FOR A WHILE. & ALL OF THEM RIGHT OUTTA THE BOX ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!.... READ BOOK,, PUT ON SCOPE,, LOAD CLIP & SHOOT.... NEEAD A FIELD SIGHT,, BUT BESIDES THAT,, GREAT AIR- RIFLES & REALLY ACCURATE TOO.. AT LEAST ALL I'VE BOUGHT & HUNTED WITH... THANKS GAMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................
I have one of the older model Gamo Magnums and it's a beast.
Accurate and powerful.
But, the cocking effort is rough.
And I'm not a weak guy, but after being out in the woods with it for close to an hour, my arms are worked out.
Maybe one day they'll come out with something that makes these break barrels a bit easier to cock, but then again I guess you cant have everything.
Thanks JC...I really enjoyed this one.
George, look at the positive side...you get a good arm 💪 workout at the same time 👍🏻🤣 Have a great weekend!
@@AirgunDetectives ...well put!
Thanks, you as well.
they look like fix the accuracy too Sir... i got them but i break them and trash cuz accuracy 🤷🏽.. been yrs i found HW97.. heavy but top knot accuracy.. but i think i will buy this gun again .. try it's again.. 👍👍.. thanks Sir
Thanks for the great video. I am looking at the Gamo Replay 10X magnum gen2 but then seen a video on the Gamo Whisper Fusion Mark1 they have the Replay, but will have to weight for the Whisper, At 74 the lighter cocking might be worth waiting for. Now I am shooting the Gamo Varmint .177 the scope was not very good so I upgraded to Tasco Air Gun 3-9X40 witch I like got 3/8 " group at 15 yards even with the terrible trigger this rifle has. I found a great pellet for the Varmint .177 it is the Premier Match Grade .177 cal. 7.9 grain, flat head, not only dose it group great but will also go through a 1" peace of pine board.
These air rifles are all pellet picky, and its really helpful to find specific pellets which are best suited to which particular air rifles such as the Hornet for this Gamo mag. gen 3, as you have shown us. I would never use a Barracuda Green for anything except for a sound barrier crack I suppose.
Its funny you mention finding that fluke pellet , i did the same with my gen 2 . Its the crosman destroyers . Its absolutely stacks them and i get around 29.2 fpe as well.. Who would have thought..lol
I love when that happens with an inexpensive pellet! The destroyers work really well in my Swarm Maxxim. Happy Shooting!
how this magnum vs Hatsan mod 125 spring and vortex QE got it in .22 and .25 ! spring has much more umph !
Good question I have the Hatsan 125 Sniper Vortex in 25 caliber ( a beast ) . All metal breech included .
I'm not sure, but the 10 shot mag definitely makes it a lot of fun. The new gamo magnum gr .25 is rated at 1000 fps, so if anything, that would be the best rifle. Probably at 750 fps in a heavier pellet which would definitely beat the competition in my opinion, the only issue is that you can't get it with swarm 10 shot mag. I've been waiting for the swarm version but maybe they're not making it??? Idk
Very awesome rifle and incredible shooting. I mean your skill level is so precise. Wow!
Great review!! It sold me, I’ve looked at several but kept coming back to this one!! I ordered it this morning!! I’ll definitely look at the trigger up grade!! I’m one of your newest subscribers!! Thanks for sharing!!
That's a good choice. For the power and accuracy, not to mention a 10 round magazine, it is really a great value. Happy Shooting 👍
Good review as always. I do have one question: if the magazine should malfunction or break , can this rifle be shot in single shot hand fed fashion , such as the regular single shot Gamo break barrels?
You can actually remove the multi shot mechanism from the gamo rifle and make it an exclusively single shot rifle.
Yeah I'm sold on this, I thought the barrel harmonics would make the shot spread not be accurate but this doesn't have that issue.
I have noticed Gamo has really stepped up their game when it comes to accuracy. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
I just received my Gamo Swarm Magnum today! I still haven't received my enhancement screw from you.I am a Professional. Rhis makes my 4th Magnum Air Rifle for my company of pest control. CRITTER GETTER PEST ELIMINATOR DIRTY DEEDS DONE DIRT CHEAP LOL
Hey Paul, your trigger screw kit shipped October 5th. I would guess you would have it by Monday or Tuesday. Happy Shooting 😉
Everything I shoot with my gamo magnum g3 is extremely accurate for a pellet rifle. I can hit a quarter at 75 yards consistently.
I have the Gamo Fusion 3i in .22 and it is very accurate.
Needs to be updated to have a 8-10 shot auto loading pellet magazine. Loading 1 pellet at a time is old school and cumbersome, especially in cold winter temps outside.
Hunter Extreme Pro .22 has SAS and cat trigger
I like that rifle because it has the same power plant as swarm magnum 1300 fps using pba
I like it because it doesn't have the inertia fead 10x magazine it is traditionally loaded break barrel one pellet each time you break it. Also has front and rear fiber optic sights. Looks cool and old school beechwood frame.
If when I purchase I'd like to upgrade the trigger with your kit. 1.5 lb pull would be nice
Not to mention the wood stock is also very nice! That's a great package 👍🏻😉
I'd like to see a video tour of your yard/ pool area/ shooting range area. Showing the maximum shooting distance available and what it all looks like. I dream to have a house with a pool and mini shooting range someday.
Patiently waiting for the pro review to drop!!!! Let’s goooooo!!!!!!!
The version without the open sights is better because you can grab the barrel further out and this will give you better leverage for easier cocking.
this video was the reason why I bought my first air rifle. Thank you JC for the great trigger product. Looking forward to installing it and dialing in this same exact air rifle. Appreciate the time you spend explaining in great detail the nuances of this gamo air rifle and the very helpful tips. Looking forward to more content. Perhaps you might demonstrate how to bore sight this air rifle with a laser bore sight? Just a suggestion. I posted a question about that on a reddit thread and got conflicting information about whether it is even possible to precisely zero the scope with a laser bore device...the concern was the moderator design and baffles inside that might interfere with a laser bore sight device. I have not tried it yet, so perhaps you might look at that and see if there is a method, or a workaround. The reason I am recommending this is due to many that are stating that the OEM scope does not hold zero very well and thus a replacement scope with more durability is recommended. I anticipate this will probably hold true and thus setting zero for the scope will be necessary. I know how to do a proper live fire zero, but coming from a powder rifle background, bore sighting saves alot of time and money and it's been my experience it is far more simple to get to a near perfect zero...without sending a round down range. And that is helpful for lots of reasons, mainly that it can be done in the backyard and not scare the pajamas out of my sleepy neighbors. Thanks again.
I appreciate your support and thank you for your comments. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives received the trigger screw in mail today... Thank you. nice touch with the personal note. also, really like the Belgian Malinois postage stamp. That's a keeper!
@@tdmmcl1532 Did not really answer your question huh. With a 16gr. pellet your pellet will drop one mill dot about every 28 yards, which is a flat trajectory for air guns. I don't think a bore sight would be beneficial. (I sight my air guns in a 40 yards by the way). If you shoot a lot, that gun will break any scope, and I have broken about 5 of them so far. My favorite is a little Leupold 33mm, 3-9 power with adjustable objective lens from the freedom line. It was like $320, but an extra $230 to putting a mil dot reticle in their custom department. Most scopes die at about 500 shots with a mag springer air gun, and I got over 4000 before I sent it back for repair with their lifetime warranty, (which is why I popped so much.). Of course, it did not come back as good as new,---so I will collect more data when I get time and send it back.
You could have gotten a 2mm longer screw at your local hardware store for about 30 cents. So he ripped you good, and I answered your questions a bit.
@@EarthSurferUSA I bought the hawke vantage mil dot. Life time warranty. The Gamo oem scope is definitely a challenge to zero and the overall operation is ancient and not very smooth. One thing I noticed is that the gamo scope can not be shifted back to my natural eye position. I moved it as far back on the rings as it can go and I still feel uncomfortable straining to get closer to the eye piece. I hope this longer hawke scope will solve that issue and be easier to work with and last. fingers crossed.
update on laser bore sight for the gamo swarm magnum Gen3i .177 (this probably applies to all Gamo rifles in any caliber that uses the same gamo moderator "can"): does not work! The internal baffles are set in a series at different distances and the bore sight will not meet and match those internal baffles. I tried different size adapters, but could not find any that seats precise enough to make the laser aligned to the plane of the bore. Frustrating! I contemplated removing the moderator baffles, but the moderator shroud is quite deep (almost 5 inches) and that makes placing the relatively short laser into the bore = mission impossible.
another update: I have three gen3i 10x autoloader magazines. NONE OF THEM are manufactured properly and present the pellet well out of alignment to the bore when cocking. This means the pellets is being crushed on one side as it is being pushed into the bore. So, I decided to manually load pellets to experiment if that misalignment was making a difference and indeed it does. Now, the shot group is much more consistent with far fewer fliers. It is quite disappointing to see this manufacturing design flaw in an otherwise good air rifle. If you look at the 10x magazine, you will notice this. Each pellet chamber is offset to true by about 40 percent! There is no way the autoloader pusher rod is going to push a pellet into the bore without causing either skirt or ball (or both) damage. I noticed this because one of the RWS BB pellet hybrid pellets was breaking apart during loading and the little brass/copper bb was falling out, but not the lead body-skirt. This lead me to realize the pellets were getting crushed by this flaw in the 10x magazine loader. Today, I bought a .17 cleaning rod and used it to push pellets back out of the breech to inspect them. Each pellet had damage to the skirt and tip. This is due to the out of true 10x magazine chambers that present the pellets well outside the plane of the bore. This means the pusher rod is forcing them back into the breech and they get jacked up. Manually feeding the pellets demonstrated this flaw is very real as the grouping and consistency of shots is so much better. I contacted gamo about this and will hopefully have them address this. That all three 10x magazines have this very same flaw tells me this is a design issue that is not easy to solve. I will probably just remove the 10x autoloader assembly altogether and just convert it to a more reliable single manually shot rifle.
Very good review! Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching 👍🏻😉
Awesome, informative video. Thank you.
I just ordered mine and cant wait to get it.
Do you have any suggestions that i should know about? That would be helpful.
Thanks
Greetings JC from England 🇬🇧, another great review. You cover everything you need to know . Thank you.
Whot a super rifle, that will give you years of service..... cheers Simon
Hi Simon, I hope all is well. Sad to hear about your Queen. The Zeus may exceed your joules restrictions a bit🤣 But you are welcome to shoot mine if you visit the states. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives Hi , things are going OK thank you. Yes we are most upset about our Queen , she was so loving and kind to the world 🌎 . God save the King 🤴. Wow that's kind of you ! Would love a go with the Beast . Take care . 🙂 .... Cheers Simon from England 🇬🇧 👍
I still use a generation 1 swarm and I'd have never double fed it and I guess if I was worried that I may have loaded it and not known it I would just take the magazine out and break the barrel and you can see
I think the manufacturers are always looking for an upgrade. I didn't think there was any issues with the Gen2 either. Just like cars, always trying to improve the models. Happy Shooting!
I polished and put a three pound trigger on my rifle. Any less and a gloved finger could depress it just trying to slip into position.
A very nice and powerful gun. Great review JC !!
Thanks William, have a great weekend!
@@AirgunDetectives so the magazine works with h&n hornet, i have an earlier model Gamo swarm max that does not work well with polymer or brass tip pellets, if they are longer than standard pellets do not load well in the magazine
You also used the best Ammo for airguns, zinc alloy, they are hard, light, and pretty FAST
Great review as always
Thank Tony! I appreciate you watching!
If I don't have anything else handy I will just use another pellet to push them in the magazine. Love my Gen 2 magnum.
I know there are people who purchased a gen 2 with open sights and were sent the Gen 3i without open sights, they were pretty upset because they purchased the gen 2 for the open sights and Gamo did not tell them they were being sent a gen 3i instead. I can imagine they would be upset to find out a gen 3i with open sights were to come out later.
I own both the Gen-2 and the Gen-3. There is absolutely no difference in the performance. They both take the same inertia magazines. But, as you stated, the Gen-2 has the nice fiber-optic open sites. My eyes are not as good as they use to be so I tend to go with the scopes regardless. I would have your friends contact Gamo and double check the future of the Gen3i. Again, I am surprised at the accuracy. I tested a Gen-2 and two Gen-3 Magnums and they were a virtual tie, amazing groups. Sounds like the Gen-2 may be a rare unit. Anyway. Happy Shooting! 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives that's what I've heard as well, the gen 2 and 3 are virtually the same. My buddies who own a gen 3 are happy with the performance they just wish an option for open sight's were there. I'm waiting for a gen 3 with open sight's before I jump the gun and get one haha.
Anyways I love your videos, very entertaining and you cover all grounds without being biased, it's refreshing to see. Keep it up my friend
This just happened to me!!
Hi so did you get open sight in Gen 3 yet? Please show us ..?@@Right-2-Bear-Arms
i love my gamo 22 mag...im not gonna lie..
i get tired of pcp messin with airtanks sometimes.
this is a nice break from all that
So true... continued filling the PCP can be a PITA! My go to is usually the breakbarrels or underlevers. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
So I noticed the decibel level was very low on this for the power available to take a midsize animal like a raccoon. Not sure if I missed that as a positive but I would certainly emphasize that as a very strong positive.
I can confirm 100% that the Baracuda Green is the most accurate pellet for this gun. I tried everything under the sun too, Hornets, Mags, Terminators, Red Fires, Hades, FTT's, etc. This is definitely a fluke indeed!
try the 10.65 gamo TS-10 Long range. It's been the best pellet for my gen3 .177 ..and does not go super sonic, so it's quieter and the flight is more consistent. This pellet is also coated with what feels like a wax like substance and you can hear and feel the pellet fit more snugly in the breech and the sound blast is the same tone, pellet after pellet, indicating to me they are consistently produced. this pellet is also much cheaper than the H&N green match in the same "magnum" gr weight (~10.49)
Can't wait for mine to arrive in the mail! Awesome review as usual!!! I got heavy grain pellets. I do like those lighter weights, but we'll see! very wooow! LOL!
Thank U again!!!! Enjoyed video/ videos! I B Customer B4 to long!
Svaki video Vam je odličan. Veliki pozdrav iz Niš, Serbia.👌👏👍🔝💯
.177 gamo rifles also have green bands. Red is pest and plinking. Green means more power hunting type air gun.
Very detailed and informative presentation. I just ordered a Fusion gen2, but was sent the gen3i instead. I prefer open sights, but I guess I'll try it. can you do a video with the Fusion gen3i?
Haven't heard of a Gen3 "Fusion?" Now this review is on the Gen3i Swarm Magnum and I do compare the Gen2i. They don't currently make the Gen2i and the Gen3i does not have open sights at this point. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
Thank you.@@AirgunDetectives
I just got mine few days ago, your review helped me to decide to get this rifle, sadly I got it from Amazon and the package was open and missing the magazine, Amazon didn't do anything about, same problem with Amazon when I got my PT-85. 177 cal, it came out of its box, why IDK, so today I'll look for my $10 investment;-)
Make them return it and send you another 😉👍🏻
I ordered my gen3i from Bass Pro and it was an absolute pleasure talking to the order person. Delivered by FedEx very quick and safe. Can't say enough good things about Bass Pro in Springfield, Missouri. It was a phone order and wonderful people to die business with.
To do business with
I've been killing starlings at 70 wards with swarm magnum with tripod. I heck of a gun. Just hard on scopes.
The Gamo Fusion rifle I’ve had 2. Each has a problem with the scope mounting. The tiny pins that hold the scope from recoil movements tends to push the pin holes back. Being aluminum. Both of my Gamo rifles have done this. After the holes wear the scope is always off target. No matter how much you adjust it. This is a huge problem for me.
Yes, using solid scope mounts and the proper size pin is essential. They definitely can wear those pin holes in that RRR (Recoil Reducing Rail), especially if the rings slip and pin is not the right fit. 👍🏻
One piece scope mount stops all movement.
All thiz, and a high of just 72DB?? Amazing!
What is your height above sea level there? I am at 790 meter / 2590 ft above sea level and my Magnum maximum is 23 fpe. If I do the math with average air pressures in mind, and if you are at sea level, mine must give about 26 fpe.
Regarding the trigger adjustment; I did mine in winter time and now that it is warm here in South Africa, and the rifle was in the sun for a while, the trigger was much more sensitive and went of by itself once as I closed the barrel. The heat obviously changed something. I immediately adjusted it to a save level again. This might be something to mention to your viewers.
Thanks for sharing that! That is something people should here!
Did you try the 18 grain crow magnum? Longer pellet with more surface touching the rifling and in my gamo magnum it's the only one that has been accurate out of dozens of different pellets brands
I was thinking the jsb 18.13 would probably be good right in that 850ish fps sweet spot
Yes, that aren't bad but I was totally caught off guard by these Baracuda Green pellets. Just under 14 grains. They do have longer skirts and they go into the magazine very nicely. I never dreamed this light of a pellet could produce this type of accuracy. Have a great weekend!!
@@AirgunDetectives I just ordered some thanks!
Get some h and n 25 grain hp slugs or hornets I can head shot rabbits at 100m with them with my magnum. You need to buy a good scope
There's a Gen 3 with a new stock unveiled at IWA, Germany.
I wish that they made an under lever 21 inch fixed barrel rifle with the same power plant as the magnum and a wooden stock
update on the trigger mod and overall performance of .177 Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3i:
1. trigger is much much lighter. I also adjusted the first stage so the trigger travel before hitting the "wall" was less. I did the shake and bump test several times to make sure it was safe. It is a vast improvement over the stock second stage adjustment point. About half the force! And that has made a huge difference in shot groupings. Very tight now.
2. I experimented with 9 different weight pellets. What I found is that I could shoot supersonic easily in the 5 to 8.5 gr weights and it was very flat all the way out to 70 yards with very little drop. About 2 inches drop average in the 5 to 8.5 weights. Above 9 is where this .177 seems to not break mach, and it's much quieter, by at least 20 decibels. But at those weights, especially above 9, the drop at 70 yards was significantly more - about 4-6 inches. So I recorded the elevation numbers for those weights. While the trajectory was flatter for the smaller weights, kinetic force at impact was far less than the higher weights. But there was definitely a "sweet spot" for weights, where trajectory was very good and impact kinetics was also good. I found the H&N Baracuda Power Domed 10.65 gr maintained good down range power and still maintained a pretty flat trajectory..about 3 inches at 70 yards. not bad! The smaller weights were fast and flat but could not penetrate an old oil filter through and through at 70 yards. Almost all of the above 9 gr weights penetrated through and through! Some of the smaller weights only made a dent. I also had good results with the Gamo Pellets TS-10 Long Distance 10.49 gr. There was very little difference between it and the H&N!
3. In terms of shot grouping, there was not much difference with any of the weights. Once properly zeroed, they all seemed to make decent grouping, with the occasional flyer that was more likely due to either ME, or a minor defect in the pellet that I did not notice when loading.
4. Wind effects: today it was blowing 10-15 steady, and it was quite a challenge. But here is something of a surprise! The smallest gr weights seems to have the least amount of deflection from the wind. This is something that I was not expecting! The H&N (above) and the GAMO TS-10 did okay, but out at 70 yards they were deflected by almost 4 inches! For the 6 gr going supersonic, with a rounded nose, the deflection was only about 2-3! The only thing I can assume is that the time in flight was less, far less, for these smaller weights. of course, it may have been in pellet shape, but there is definitely something to the nature of supersonic when dealing with windage. Something I really did not expect to see in a pellet air rifle.. I chalk that up to a very powerful GAMO! (which is why I bought it...faster is what I was after in the .177 so I could move the heavier gr weights down range, on the assumption they would perform better across the board. Learned something I did not expect. the light pellets going supersonic even out at 70 yards were not deflecting as much as these heavier pellets that cannot go mach. huh...I guess it's true what they say: each gun and pellet has it's own unique performance characteristics!
5. final comment about pellet: The RWS Power Ball 2317414 Air Gun Ammo .177 (9.4 gr) goes supersonic in this rifle and it is incredibly flat and hard hitting, penetrating the oil filter through and through at 70 yards. However, I could not produce very consistent groupings. I think this is likely due to slight variations in the manufacturing of this two part pellet. the ball is either glued or soldered to the lead body and skirt. I looked at a few of them under a strong magnifying glass, and there were some very small variations between random pellets. The "shoulder" where the ball is attached to the lead body seemed to have dips and peaks, so I think the ball (which appears to be a solid brass round pellet), isn't precisely set in the manufacturing process. I don't have the patience to pick through the entire can each time and sort them, so I will unlikely recommend these pellets, even though they fly mach, very flat and hit hard. About 3 out of 20 went totally off the reservation! By more than a foot at 70 yards. Even closer down at the standard 35 yards, I observed the same thing. Which is frustrating because these do appear to be a very good design on paper. I'll be looking at something similar and test. ( if I get a wild hair, I might experiment with super gluing a ball pellet to a small weight pellet and see what happens! 🙂
Great work. I bought the Hornets based on the Gen 2 review which is what I own. Did you test the greens in the Gen 2 & how did it perform? Thanks.
Not yet, but I am hoping for the same results. The Hornets worked well in the Gen3 similar to the results in the Gen2.
Great review
Does the Gen 2 have something so you can't load another round when one is already loaded to fire? I know that gen 3 has that but I wanted to use open sights if needed.
Gen 2 actually performs the same as Gen 3. They both have the inertia magazine system. The Gen3 just has a lower profile housing.
@Airgun Detectives-Airgun Reviews That sounds awesome. Is there a Swarm 10X .22 Gen 2 or Gen 3 that has open sights you would recommend?
The best break barrel 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for another fantastic air gun video , also I was wondering about your elevation , are you at sea level ? Thanx again
I am at roughly 800 feet ASL. 👍🏻😉
@@AirgunDetectives i have the same gun and it shoots around 60 fps slower than your magnum same pellets but I am at 5800 feet above the see level , do you think that is the reason I get less velocity
@bobybaba5267 some rifles just very a bit in velocity. This can do with the piston and breech seals, or even the gas ram. 50-60 fps is not out of the ordinary. Also, you should be experiencing higher velocity at the greater altitude. There is less resistance so you should be getting higher FPS. Also, not sure how many shots you have through your rifle. It takes a few hundred rounds for the seals to seat.
@@AirgunDetectives thank you 🙌🏻
I really hope the .22 Gen3 is cycling better than the .177 Gen1 !
I had nothing but problems with them I destroyed one due to a mag jam,
got an other one from warranty...still needed to seat half of the pellet designs by hand to not ruin the breech seal!
So I ripped it right off and now I can finaly try to enjoy the rifle
Never again I will buy a multishot break barrel
[This goes for the new Umarex and Crosman magfire too]
Great airgun! just curious,,how many pellets did you test till you found the one it liked? and on average for airguns,,,how many do you try till you find the that works best?
I test more pellets than you can even imagine. The rifle will show you when it finds the right pellet 😉
@@AirgunDetectives I tested 19 different pellets for one of my break barrels today. I see guys on youtube test only like 3 or 4 pellets. I would love to find a pellet that can hit a shotgun shell at 40 yards for all 3 of my break barrels. Wondering how much testing it's going to take..lol
Hello, thank you very much for all these reviews. I do have two questions, 1- would it be recommended for left handed? I have heard beeman was made for both right and left handed. If not what would you recommend? What is the difference between the magnum, the fusion, bone collector or other model? Thank you very much
Just got mine
After about 750 pellets the block that the barrel goes into will wear in there from that point on everything goes south it won't repeat it won't lock up right or lockup strong it happens to every camo except the older one there was some older ones that were pretty good but this new plastic stuff is not going to be a long-term gun at all
Not true on mine, with over 5000 shots with my first one. That one though, (out of 3 of them I had), did not lock up totally vertically when new. But it still shot great, (I have never seen a YT channel who can shoot a springer better than I can.), and did not get worse in over 5000 shots. What failed after 750 shots is most likely the scope. I have only had one scope that lasted over 500 shots on these mag guns, (Leupold Freedom series 3-9X33), and it broke with over 4000 shots on it,--but has a lifetime warranty and was fixed promptly.
Great review!
For target shooting at 75 yeards you recommend getting the .177 or .22 version?
Maybe try some hybrid slugs? It would be great to see the accuracy👍
Question: which is the most accurate pellet you have experienced?
(In .177 and .22)
Man this gun is a beast I think I found my second air rifle. I picked up the ruger apx from Walmart and it’s a great little back yard rifle. It’s a .177 but am wanting something I can shoot farther with and this one has got some serious power. I’m considering the .177 variation of this gamo because I know it will shoot lighter lead pellets above 1150 fps. Just not sure if the higher fps in the .177 will perform well or not. Do you have a review of the 17cal? I know a lower fps with a heavier weight is still powerful enough to take a turkey with ease but I just enjoy to hear them crack the sound barrier. Great review brother I’m just getting back into shooting since I was a kid haven’t hunted in 17 years but my boy is 6 and he enjoys shooting with me and I kind of miss shooting and can shoot these in my yard so I don’t have to make special trips to the range which is awesome. Thanks for sharing!
Get the .22 caliber. It is much more accurate and it provides higher FPE (Foot Pounds of Energy) In a Magnum rifle you don't want .177. The lighter pellets are not as accurate. You would find yourself trying to locate really heavy .177 pellets to attempt to create better accuracy. Too much of a hassle. Go with the .22 caliber, it is definitely more powerful. Happy Shooting 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives Ok thank you for your response i appreciate your time. I agree I think the 22 is the way to go although I just learned gamo has the .25 break barrel but for now the 22 is a great idea can shoot slugs in it I believe so for back Yard shooting would be perfect. Thank you sir!
@@robertbrewer1152 .177 Gen3i is a great rifle. Just use heavy .177 pellets ( +10gr and over) and you'll see the difference. Dont pay to much attencion to this "detective" when he is just trying to sell another gun to everybody. Get the Gen3i .177 as you though and you will see how formidable of a pellet rifle it is! Hight accuracy, longer range, etc. H&N barracudas and other pellets are great for the Gen3i .177. Best regards.
Great review 👍
We have magnum replay gen 2 gen 3 we don't have it in Greece yet
THX JC! Amazing power figures.
The overall length is a bit much I'm afraid, but one does need such barrel leverage for obtaining high power. It makes this gun a bit overly slender. to my eye.. ...
And how did the sound mod work - is it sufficiently quiet ?
A question about the general approach to your testing.
Some of your piston guns (springer and gas ram) seem very very powerful.
I wonder for how long such guns will maintain their initial performance (within a reasonable margin for the accuracy & power figures).
If you decide to keep an indiviual gun and you shoot it very frequently, could you do a short revisit after a certain shot count (e.g. 25 K shots), to check its accuracy and power at that point ?
That would be a real asset for the candidate buyers. It would fit a really suspicious detective.
IOW: a series called "Airgun DETECTIVES REVISITED" ? Or even: "AIRGUN SLEUTH" ?
Or: "AIRGUN COLOMBO" ??? LOL !
😆🤣You might have something there...all these rifles are pretty easy to rebuild if necessarry but you will get 1000's of rounds through most of them. Happy Shooting!
Most break barrels will maintain there power for, well, at least 20 years cause that's the oldest one I bought new. they take about 1000 shots to really wear in the piston and seals so they become really smooth on all the contact points inside. That makes them shoot the most consistent and maybe a little stronger. Some guns have oil and grease getting in the compression chamber when there new and this cause them also to be inconsistent at first. Haven't noticed it with my 3 Gamos so the factory must be lubing them properly. That said springs can break and gas rams can lose pressure but not very often.
I really like that idea! The rifle is pretty quiet , not much difference then any other one. The way the pellet smacks the target is probably the loudest part. I really like the rifle even though i have more expensive brands. The Gamo magnum gen 3 .22 is my go to work horse! Hard to beat if you ask me
JC, you used a light weight pellet in that magnum, I was surprised also. The .177 Mag 3i is recommended by Gamo in Spain where they make these, to use
JSB Match Diabolo Exact Express .177 Cal 8.44 Gr. Domed. I just received an email from them. I was thinking the heaviest pellet would be the cure.
It's worth a try...remember, the rifle picks the pellet! Have a great weekend Doug!
Need help with Scope. Pyramyd recommended the Bugbuster scope which i bought. Seems too small for this rifle. No room to move it back to where i can use the cheek pad and get a clear site picture through the scope. Compared to my Benjamin vaporizer.. its perfect. Even with the stock scope, just seems the Magnum has a longer butt stock. To get close enough to the scope i have to sit the butt on my shoulder.
Hi, would the Magnum G2 shoot very similar to the G3? and which one would be less pressure for cocking, or are they the same? I can handle it, but not sure about my son. Thanks for any comments.
Very impressive airgun .I love how accurate it is.
This is one I might have to add to the collection.
And just for the record I do love short skirts 😳🤣
😆🤣😂 Have a great weekend Ross!
You have to shoot the Is Barracuda hunter extremes
Iam waiting for this gun to go on sale in the UK... Still no information as to when... Jan 2023 so hopefully this year