Sup Boss, I wanted the video so I wanted to drop a comment just saying what up. I wonder if this company is going to continue to make progress or if this is just one shot into the power station game.
Thanks for commenting. Unfortunately these 3 units do not have wifi support. Their Sparkbox 3000 unit does though and has an app etc. That’s something I really like about my EcoFlow River Pro and how it’s so customizable. Some other people who aren’t as technologically savvy though would benefit from the simplicity though. I know before I started to really review units like this I ran into quite a few people (Prepper types) on RUclips here who were worried about the Wifi on the EcoFlow and how it would be susceptible to hackers. Go figure! To each their own I suppose. 🤷♂️
I can't wait for the River 2 line personally but people need to get over LFP. It's not necessary in every power station besides most don't use these daily and cycle them multiple times a week so the charge cycle is the last thing that most should worry about unless you have a daily or 24hr use for these products.
Exactly right. At one complete charge cycle a day you’ll get 2.5 years of us. I charge mine maybe 6 times a month. At that you’d get 10+ years of life to 80% There are some other advantages to LFP like not being affected by heat issues, but also disadvantages like being 30% heavier for equivalent capacity. I would gladly take smaller lighter affordable units personally.
I have the riverpro and love that thing. The next iteration more than likely will be lifepo4. Going forward I'm only buying lifepo4 because how much more safer it than regular lithium. It's definitely a plus for more charge cycles. I'll definitely be buying the next riverpro
Just a small hint here. You did at least give the weight for the units and that tells me that the batteries used in these (new) devices only have about 500 charging cycles? The latest soar generators have the much safer lithium lithium iron phosphate batteries. They operate in higher and lower Temps. And also have much higher number of charge cycles typically 2,500 to 3,000 on average or higher. Haven't heard any bad news on this newer type batteries melting or catching on fire.. so far.
Correct. These are not using LiFePo4. I have not opened them, but most likely similar to the EcoFlow River Pro they are using 18650 which are generally safe… when wired up and encased. None of the batteries are a good idea to mess with loose. The charge cycle: should be around 500-800 to 80% battery life reduction. If charging every day this will give about 2.5yrs of life until it hits that. As I always suggest on these, If you are using them daily or more often then going to a bigger unit and LiFePo4 is advisable. Bluetti seems to have really embraced them and are definitely “safer” chemistry.
What are some real life use cases? If I were a professional gardener living in California and dealing with the Gas Powered Leaf Blower Ban and Lawn Mower ban, how much time would it take this to charge the electric equivalent equipment between houses? How many of these would I need to carry in my truck to get me through the day?
That’s a good question on use cases and I think could need a bigger video to really go into. The issue is there is so many variables and limitations of options. When it comes to Gardeners (On top of many gardeners probably not adopting electric even with the ban on new sales in 2024 they’ll be buying old used gas equipment for quite awhile). For starters I wouldn’t recommend any of these 3 units for that. You might be able to get away with the SB1000 for this, but for a professional gardener getting the SB3000 unit or an EcoFlow Delta Pro or something similar would be much better. So let’s use the Greenworks Backpack style leaf blower as our baseline. amzn.to/3RYl88Q (Now these options are more consumer models for comparison. I’m sure there are some more professional electric equipment out there, but in my area they are using pretty standard yard tools for the smaller yards we have. Again, variables!) This unit is similar to a traditional leaf blower a gardener would use. The unit uses 80v batteries that have 2.5Ah of capacity. We need to convert this to Watthours, so 2.5a x 80v gives it a capacity of 200Wh. It will run for 13 minutes (so maybe 1-1.5 yards) Let’s say the gardener can do maybe 6-8 yards in a day. So that would be at best 5 battery cycles. The SB1000 at 1038Wh could charge that one battery about 5x. Now we add in a battery lawn mower and weed whacker. Again using a Greenworks mower as a baseline. It uses 2X 5Ah 24v batteries in unison for 48v. Each battery is 120Wh so 240Wh. We get a better runtime of 45 minutes, but that’s still about 1.5 yards per charge or around 1/4 acre of mowing. (Their specs) I can’t find the recharge times right now, but that’s dependent on the charger. Realistically it could be anywhere from 200w-650w charger output to the batteries. So maybe they could be charged in an hour and the gardener could have 2 or 3 sets of batteries continuously swapping from full / dead / charging. You can see where just 1 charge cycle between a blower, mower and weed whacker could easily be over 600Wh and probably well over 1500w continuous power draw to charge at the same time. Then you’re going to need a unit that can handle that much continuous output. Unfortunately the 3000W units are going to cost $1500-$3000+. It’s logically not a great solution for that use. As powerful as we think these portable power stations are, when it comes down to powerful electricity ran devices battery power is barely a comparison at this size and price point. More than likely what we will see is gardeners struggling with multiple batteries having to manage their full / used batteries and then charging them all at night. OR they’ll just carry around a noisy gas generator for charging because those can be $350-$1000 and have a longer lifespan than a Power Station. 🤷♂️ Where I am seeing these being used is in work vans for something like repair men. Somebody who doesn’t need to be constantly charging batteries, but maybe needs to have their tools charged once a day. On top of being able to carry them onto a job site.
@@TheLynchBurgers - So it seems there are a few options. Example using 12 homes a day (30 minutes each, plus some driving time between) 1) Buy a couple dozen batteries. Swap them out between houses. No charging on the road. You'll need to find a lot of plugs at home and probably no more than 3 per 15 Amp Circuit since chargers use 5 Amps. 2) Buy a big Power Station and always be charging two sets of batteries while using the other set (set is both a Mower and Blower - so total of 6 batteries). Recharge the Power Station at night. Would need to do some math to see if the Power Station could supply 18 recharges or if the Gardener would need a second Power Station. Pattern would look like: Batteries L1 thru L3 are for Leaf Blower; M1 thru M3 for Mower House 1 - Use L1 and M1; remaining batteries idle as they were charged overnight House 2 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; remaining batteries idle House 3 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3 House 4 - Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 5 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 6 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3 House 7 - Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 8 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 9 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3 House 10: Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 11: Idle L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3 House 12: Idle L1 and M1; Idle L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3 Looks like the Gardener needs (56wh x 12 cycles) or 1008 Wh of charging, or basically 1 kHw. Seems this gets into the $1100 price range like the ECOFLOW Portable Power Station DELTA having a 1260Wh battery pack. 3) Buy a Ford F-150 Lightning and use it as your Power Station. Seems to me Option 2 would require a "system" to operate, but is easier to do than Option 1 and a lot cheaper than option 3 (unless I didn't have a truck yet - then the work variant of the Lightening starts to look like a viable option). What I totally want to see is one of these Power Station suppliers sponsor a video where a RUclipsr equips a professional gardener with this equipment and spends a day on the job with the Gardening team.
@@InfoSecGuardian As a landscaper, I'm sure you know or can find the outside electrical receptacles at each house/business. When ever you're working you could have 2 or 3 batteries charging. One of the better things to do is run two truck batteries with one of them being a deep-cycle. You can charge right off of this battery while on the move or parked as it will recharge as you drive. I run dual deep-cycle batteries and will never go back to a single 12 volt battery. It's nice to never need a jump from anyone, to have twice the cold cranking amps when needed on those sub zero temp days. You have power to spare for pumps, winches, light-bars, DC to AC converters, etc
Thanks for watching. The chemistry is Li-ion. Unfortunately they are not LiFePo4 but Li-ion is pretty standard in the industry still and proven technology.
Enjoyed your concise format video. Very professonally done. You are a good alternative to HoboTech which does deep dives on these types of units but never makes it to many of them.
Thank you. Really appreciate the compliment. HoboTech is pretty awesome though. We’ll see how many of these types of things I can get to, I find them interesting but the one thing I like to do is actually use the devices out and about. It’s one thing to do it in a lab / studio setting it’s another to take it several nights camping etc. Which is why I haven’t gotten my EcoFlow full review done yet, but think we’re going to have that one ready soon :) stay tuned!
We shall see. I think that argument is very valid! They haven’t given me their final pricing just yet, but when they asked for any suggestions / thoughts I specifically told them the same. Make it competitive pricing if they want to be competitive. There’s a reason I bought my EcoFlow River Pro. The Delta 2 looks sweet!
I wish the answer to this was a simple number, but there’s so many variables with laptops. So if you need to charge your battery and your laptop has USB-C PD charging, you can put out 60W directly to the laptop using only a USB-C cable. Most laptop batteries are around 60-70Wh capacity. With the SB300 you could charge the laptop battery to over 4x cycles. If your battery was fully charged and you just wanted to run the laptop off the SB300 it depends on how much power the laptop consumes and what you’re doing on it. I tested out my MacBook Air earlier and was able to use around 45W while charging the battery. Once the battery was charged up the Power usage was around 5-10W to run the actual machine. So using these numbers my MacBook Air could run between 30-60 hours on the SB300 before it being depleted and switching to the internal battery. So not bad at all!
Hey bro! Wa way underrated channel here in my opinion… You’re already the captain of my technology buying campaign my dude! You’ve steered me well thus far! You’ve got just the right balance of nerd brain allocation here…. The tolerances are palatable to a Neanderthal like me! Love your content, and I just subbed and am hoping to bring you some more eyeballs… I’m a mouthy UPS DRIVER, with money to burn….DINK. DUAL INCOME NO KIDDOS! Well done amigo!🎉😮😊🤲👀👀 So
Your not only buying a product. Your also buying support and a standard backed warranty. This company will probably be gone or a changed brand name in a year. Because of that Brands like these needs to be half the price to stay in competition with the reputable established brands Like ecoflow and bluetti. I worked for a Chinese tech company. And alot of brands we OEMd for come and go rapidly. Therefore you are buying bricks with no support if that company goes under. It's the Chinese way.
Just fyi: This particular company Sparkbox is based in Valencia, CA and is a US Company. I agree with you, unfortunately EcoFlow is a Chinese company that has something like 3 US based employees out of the Bay Area office. Of course that doesn’t mean they are bad. They were started by former DJI engineers and DJI makes some of the coolest tech. Bluetti is based out of Las Vegas and is a US company.
@@DoritosResidue I’m not sure how the manufacturer ing works exactly. I do know they have designed some of their own proprietary components that go into them. Definitely not just a straight out of the box OEM thing. But let’s see as the full production units get to market. Still really hard to beat the River Pro 🤷♂️
Sup Boss, I wanted the video so I wanted to drop a comment just saying what up.
I wonder if this company is going to continue to make progress or if this is just one shot into the power station game.
I can't wait!!!
does it have wifi app support..... if it doesn't, it's not even in class to compare with ecoflow or bluetti
Thanks for commenting. Unfortunately these 3 units do not have wifi support. Their Sparkbox 3000 unit does though and has an app etc. That’s something I really like about my EcoFlow River Pro and how it’s so customizable. Some other people who aren’t as technologically savvy though would benefit from the simplicity though. I know before I started to really review units like this I ran into quite a few people (Prepper types) on RUclips here who were worried about the Wifi on the EcoFlow and how it would be susceptible to hackers.
Go figure! To each their own I suppose. 🤷♂️
I can't wait for the River 2 line personally but people need to get over LFP. It's not necessary in every power station besides most don't use these daily and cycle them multiple times a week so the charge cycle is the last thing that most should worry about unless you have a daily or 24hr use for these products.
Exactly right. At one complete charge cycle a day you’ll get 2.5 years of us. I charge mine maybe 6 times a month. At that you’d get 10+ years of life to 80%
There are some other advantages to LFP like not being affected by heat issues, but also disadvantages like being 30% heavier for equivalent capacity. I would gladly take smaller lighter affordable units personally.
I have the riverpro and love that thing. The next iteration more than likely will be lifepo4. Going forward I'm only buying lifepo4 because how much more safer it than regular lithium. It's definitely a plus for more charge cycles. I'll definitely be buying the next riverpro
Just a small hint here. You did at least give the weight for the units and that tells me that the batteries used in these (new) devices only have about 500 charging cycles?
The latest soar generators have the much safer lithium lithium iron phosphate batteries. They operate in higher and lower Temps. And also have much higher number of charge cycles typically 2,500 to 3,000 on average or higher.
Haven't heard any bad news on this newer type batteries melting or catching on fire.. so far.
Correct. These are not using LiFePo4. I have not opened them, but most likely similar to the EcoFlow River Pro they are using 18650 which are generally safe… when wired up and encased. None of the batteries are a good idea to mess with loose.
The charge cycle: should be around 500-800 to 80% battery life reduction. If charging every day this will give about 2.5yrs of life until it hits that. As I always suggest on these, If you are using them daily or more often then going to a bigger unit and LiFePo4 is advisable. Bluetti seems to have really embraced them and are definitely “safer” chemistry.
What are some real life use cases? If I were a professional gardener living in California and dealing with the Gas Powered Leaf Blower Ban and Lawn Mower ban, how much time would it take this to charge the electric equivalent equipment between houses? How many of these would I need to carry in my truck to get me through the day?
That’s a good question on use cases and I think could need a bigger video to really go into. The issue is there is so many variables and limitations of options.
When it comes to Gardeners (On top of many gardeners probably not adopting electric even with the ban on new sales in 2024 they’ll be buying old used gas equipment for quite awhile).
For starters I wouldn’t recommend any of these 3 units for that. You might be able to get away with the SB1000 for this, but for a professional gardener getting the SB3000 unit or an EcoFlow Delta Pro or something similar would be much better.
So let’s use the Greenworks Backpack style leaf blower as our baseline. amzn.to/3RYl88Q
(Now these options are more consumer models for comparison. I’m sure there are some more professional electric equipment out there, but in my area they are using pretty standard yard tools for the smaller yards we have. Again, variables!)
This unit is similar to a traditional leaf blower a gardener would use. The unit uses 80v batteries that have 2.5Ah of capacity. We need to convert this to Watthours, so 2.5a x 80v gives it a capacity of 200Wh. It will run for 13 minutes (so maybe 1-1.5 yards) Let’s say the gardener can do maybe 6-8 yards in a day. So that would be at best 5 battery cycles. The SB1000 at 1038Wh could charge that one battery about 5x.
Now we add in a battery lawn mower and weed whacker. Again using a Greenworks mower as a baseline. It uses 2X 5Ah 24v batteries in unison for 48v. Each battery is 120Wh so 240Wh. We get a better runtime of 45 minutes, but that’s still about 1.5 yards per charge or around 1/4 acre of mowing. (Their specs)
I can’t find the recharge times right now, but that’s dependent on the charger. Realistically it could be anywhere from 200w-650w charger output to the batteries. So maybe they could be charged in an hour and the gardener could have 2 or 3 sets of batteries continuously swapping from full / dead / charging.
You can see where just 1 charge cycle between a blower, mower and weed whacker could easily be over 600Wh and probably well over 1500w continuous power draw to charge at the same time. Then you’re going to need a unit that can handle that much continuous output. Unfortunately the 3000W units are going to cost $1500-$3000+. It’s logically not a great solution for that use. As powerful as we think these portable power stations are, when it comes down to powerful electricity ran devices battery power is barely a comparison at this size and price point.
More than likely what we will see is gardeners struggling with multiple batteries having to manage their full / used batteries and then charging them all at night. OR they’ll just carry around a noisy gas generator for charging because those can be $350-$1000 and have a longer lifespan than a Power Station. 🤷♂️
Where I am seeing these being used is in work vans for something like repair men. Somebody who doesn’t need to be constantly charging batteries, but maybe needs to have their tools charged once a day. On top of being able to carry them onto a job site.
@@TheLynchBurgers - So it seems there are a few options. Example using 12 homes a day (30 minutes each, plus some driving time between)
1) Buy a couple dozen batteries. Swap them out between houses. No charging on the road. You'll need to find a lot of plugs at home and probably no more than 3 per 15 Amp Circuit since chargers use 5 Amps.
2) Buy a big Power Station and always be charging two sets of batteries while using the other set (set is both a Mower and Blower - so total of 6 batteries). Recharge the Power Station at night. Would need to do some math to see if the Power Station could supply 18 recharges or if the Gardener would need a second Power Station. Pattern would look like:
Batteries L1 thru L3 are for Leaf Blower; M1 thru M3 for Mower
House 1 - Use L1 and M1; remaining batteries idle as they were charged overnight
House 2 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; remaining batteries idle
House 3 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3
House 4 - Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 5 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 6 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3
House 7 - Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 8 - Charge L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 9 - Charge L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3
House 10: Use L1 and M1; Charge L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 11: Idle L1 and M1; Use L2 and M2; Charge L3 and M3
House 12: Idle L1 and M1; Idle L2 and M2; Use L3 and M3
Looks like the Gardener needs (56wh x 12 cycles) or 1008 Wh of charging, or basically 1 kHw. Seems this gets into the $1100 price range like the ECOFLOW Portable Power Station DELTA having a 1260Wh battery pack.
3) Buy a Ford F-150 Lightning and use it as your Power Station.
Seems to me Option 2 would require a "system" to operate, but is easier to do than Option 1 and a lot cheaper than option 3 (unless I didn't have a truck yet - then the work variant of the Lightening starts to look like a viable option). What I totally want to see is one of these Power Station suppliers sponsor a video where a RUclipsr equips a professional gardener with this equipment and spends a day on the job with the Gardening team.
@@InfoSecGuardian that would be interesting to see! It feels that we are getting there, but slowly.
@@InfoSecGuardian As a landscaper, I'm sure you know or can find the outside electrical receptacles at each house/business. When ever you're working you could have 2 or 3 batteries charging. One of the better things to do is run two truck batteries with one of them being a deep-cycle. You can charge right off of this battery while on the move or parked as it will recharge as you drive. I run dual deep-cycle batteries and will never go back to a single 12 volt battery. It's nice to never need a jump from anyone, to have twice the cold cranking amps when needed on those sub zero temp days. You have power to spare for pumps, winches, light-bars, DC to AC converters, etc
Your probably gonna need a big gas generator to recharge🤣 those big batteries🤑
What type of battery chemistry do they have?
Thanks for watching. The chemistry is Li-ion. Unfortunately they are not LiFePo4 but Li-ion is pretty standard in the industry still and proven technology.
@@TheLynchBurgers thanks 👍
They look great I love the 1000
Enjoyed your concise format video. Very professonally done. You are a good alternative to HoboTech which does deep dives on these types of units but never makes it to many of them.
Thank you. Really appreciate the compliment. HoboTech is pretty awesome though. We’ll see how many of these types of things I can get to, I find them interesting but the one thing I like to do is actually use the devices out and about. It’s one thing to do it in a lab / studio setting it’s another to take it several nights camping etc. Which is why I haven’t gotten my EcoFlow full review done yet, but think we’re going to have that one ready soon :) stay tuned!
Delta 2 already better specs out the line. Unless this unit is $200-300 cheaper it's a skip imo
We shall see. I think that argument is very valid! They haven’t given me their final pricing just yet, but when they asked for any suggestions / thoughts I specifically told them the same. Make it competitive pricing if they want to be competitive. There’s a reason I bought my EcoFlow River Pro. The Delta 2 looks sweet!
It should be a competitor if it was also available for other countries and continents….. what is not the case until now( if I’ not mistaking)
As of now, since they still haven’t officially launched I’m not sure. The next time I speak to them I’ll ask and update.
Nice review
How long will my laptop run on the 300
I wish the answer to this was a simple number, but there’s so many variables with laptops. So if you need to charge your battery and your laptop has USB-C PD charging, you can put out 60W directly to the laptop using only a USB-C cable. Most laptop batteries are around 60-70Wh capacity. With the SB300 you could charge the laptop battery to over 4x cycles.
If your battery was fully charged and you just wanted to run the laptop off the SB300 it depends on how much power the laptop consumes and what you’re doing on it. I tested out my MacBook Air earlier and was able to use around 45W while charging the battery. Once the battery was charged up the Power usage was around 5-10W to run the actual machine. So using these numbers my MacBook Air could run between 30-60 hours on the SB300 before it being depleted and switching to the internal battery. So not bad at all!
Hey bro! Wa way underrated channel here in my opinion…
You’re already the captain of my technology buying campaign my dude!
You’ve steered me well thus far!
You’ve got just the right balance of nerd brain allocation here….
The tolerances are palatable to a Neanderthal like me!
Love your content, and I just subbed and am hoping to bring you some more eyeballs…
I’m a mouthy UPS DRIVER, with money to burn….DINK. DUAL INCOME NO KIDDOS!
Well done amigo!🎉😮😊🤲👀👀
So
Your not only buying a product. Your also buying support and a standard backed warranty. This company will probably be gone or a changed brand name in a year. Because of that Brands like these needs to be half the price to stay in competition with the reputable established brands Like ecoflow and bluetti. I worked for a Chinese tech company. And alot of brands we OEMd for come and go rapidly. Therefore you are buying bricks with no support if that company goes under. It's the Chinese way.
Just fyi: This particular company Sparkbox is based in Valencia, CA and is a US Company. I agree with you, unfortunately EcoFlow is a Chinese company that has something like 3 US based employees out of the Bay Area office. Of course that doesn’t mean they are bad. They were started by former DJI engineers and DJI makes some of the coolest tech.
Bluetti is based out of Las Vegas and is a US company.
@@TheLynchBurgers who does Sparkbox OEM from ? I'm sure they OEM from one of the larger Chinese companies that manufacturer these solar generators.
@@DoritosResidue I’m not sure how the manufacturer ing works exactly. I do know they have designed some of their own proprietary components that go into them. Definitely not just a straight out of the box OEM thing.
But let’s see as the full production units get to market. Still really hard to beat the River Pro 🤷♂️
So tru just like all the E-Bikes hitting the market
@@TheLynchBurgers Thanks for the comment