It comes down to the what the word of God says, your personal walk with God and modesty. Getting people to do what you say doesn’t prove that the change was from God. Let God convict a man. Let God change his clothes. I’ve been back and forth myself over what is modest. What is pleasing to the Lord that we should wear. In my opinion a man would be honoring God more by wearing a cheap grey t shirt than to be head to toe in a suit and tie. The t shirt is a lot closer to the standards God sets in the New Testament. Pharisees loved their long robes and tassels. Ties lean more towards pharisaical behavior. A suit can be used in a lot of ways. To show power. To show being well off. But you can also buy them cheap at goodwill lol. At the end of the day. Modesty. Cleanliness. Following God. You better have a New Testament verse to back up what you preach to others on how to dress. Or else it’s just you enforcing your own preference for what you think pleases God. Jesus never wore a suit. No apostle ever did. 1 Corinthians will shut that up quickly. If anything suits were a problem from day one. That’s a rich look. Business men. It’s a sad truth that in certain cultures people won’t think you’re worth listening to about God unless you are dressed up. They certainly would have missed treasure from Paul. A suit is dignified. But Paul says he was treated as the filth of the world. Naked. Hunger. Not dressed in a suit on the way to the Mexican restaurant after meeting. I have many brothers who wear suits. I’ve even worn them. It’s not the suit. It’s not the t shirt. It’s has God called this man? If He has the. God surely will lead him into decisions that bring Him glory and honor. The really scary part for me is to hear and see emotion and conviction that comes off as a from God sermon in full but what he is saying has parts of man inserting what he wants into it. The more a man called to preach reads the word and stands before people to preach Gods word. The more careful he becomes. The weight of what he is called to. Not wanting to ever taint the truth with my own ways. But we are all human. Lord help us to not preach from our flesh. For that is not preaching at all. 1 Corinthians- I came to you weak in fear and trembling. The Spirit poured out upon a humble man that did not have the respect even of the people he came preaching to. Mighty men have a mighty hard time with this a lot. As we all do. But if I want the strength of God I best get low. Be a weak vessel. Paul diminished himself on purpose along with Gods diminishing of him. It’s a scary thing you see in churches where esteemed men. Men of great. Have control in the flesh over people impressed by them. That’s why God usually doesn’t choose the mighty. May our faith not be in the wisdom of men. And also in my opinion in any part of other men. Lord help us not to pick pastors based off the mighty in flesh. The war heroes. The ex sports stars. God can certainly use any of those men. But let God do that. Not a group thinking carnally.
I believe in dressing decently and modestly, but preachers like this guy strain at gnat. It really got me when he said if people don't think a woman is an Amish woman, she isn't dressed right. Amish women wear bonnets on their heads. Also, a man who wears short pants hasn't done something worthy of execution. Such legalists are too busy sizing people up to praise and thank Christ for his grace, mercy and redemptive work.
This is one of those that makes the wheels in my head turn. The pastor says there is no difference of expectation in the way someone in the pew dresses and the way a pastor or pastor's wife dresses. I would say based on Biblical principle, he is correct. But then he says he prays God kills him if someone ever sees him in public dressed in shorts or without a shirt. So it makes me wonder, does he think the same thing about others? Does he pray or even think that God should strike other people dead for dressing differently than what he thinks they should?
Dueteronomy 22:5 Was God stressing over his peoples dress? Was Paul stressing when he commanded women to dress modesty? You need to read the bible because said alot about clothing and nakedness!
@@brianthomas9445 deuteronomy hey... how many other old testament laws are you trying to keep? We don't need to worry about outer apparel, we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and wearing the white robes of the saints. Paul was talking to the chaotic disorganized corinthian church in the setting of a physical gathering. What I wear in my day to day life is irrelevant to my standing before God. But please, go ahead, define exactly what the bible says we should wear. Last I check, it never specifies. Its up to the readers discretion.
@@alanamoogk348 2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for Instruction in Righteousness.Are you saying that God didn't inspire the old testament and deuteronomy 22:5 is not profitable for instruction in righteousness? Furthermore, are you saying that Paul ( who writes about the standing in righteousness you said you have and obviously believe) was not speaking to all women in 1 tim 2:9 when he writes under the leadership of the holy spirit " that women adorn themselves in modest apparel" ( new testament by the way) doesn't apply to you? Furthermore Paul was writing this to a pastor named Timothy not the church at Corinth! Maybe you should read your Bible before you speak out of context! ROM 12:1 SAYS we should present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God". Furthermore you said its up to the readers discretion! The bible is given to us as a guide and is to be obeyed! Knowhere does it say that it's up to the readers discretion!!!!
@@mspvol1wbg284 and what I gather, you're one of those cherry picking arbitrary law followers who sits up on their pedestal looking down others who disagree, with their nose in the air like their shit dont stink. Am I close?
Hmmm, shorts are immodest and immoral but gluttony is apparently ok. Nowhere was there a Scriptural reference. Scripture in context is missing, as usual. If we are going to go after shorts, fine, but I would include the inability to button a suit jacket across a middle as something inappropriate for a believer to wear.
@mspvol1wbg284 Yes, the point is that it is easy to preach hard and hold everyone else really accountable on an issue like modesty, meanwhile the man has no self control regarding food. I am not saying he should not teach on modesty, or gluttony for that matter, but maybe with a little less self righteous justification knowing that he also would fall far short of the bar of perfection and holiness. These usually practice " All grace for me and none for thee"...
P.S. The topic is modesty and how we present ourselves, how we appear; it is equally wrong to present yourself as undisciplined as uncovered. That is how gluttony and immodesty are related.
When I was a teenager I wore jeans every day in 100+ degree weather because of preaching like this. I was too self-conscious to wear a tank top until my 30s and it's still hard for me to walk around without a shirt. Growing up I had to wear a shirt even while swimming.
That's the cultural issue I see when it comes to preaching like this. A pastor may say, "I was talking about myself," but his words don't echo in a vacuum. People are thinking about what he is saying and applying it to themselves, oft times to their own hurt.
Exactly. He has no problem over-eating, but he wants to condemn his congregation for wearing shorts? Like really? There are way more important issues than a man wearing shorts! This stuff gets me hot because I grew up in this crap for more than 33 years.
What about the male members of his parish that still think that artificial birth control and engaging in immoral sex practices are just fine and dandy???? The word "mortification" of the flesh is usually absent in sermons these days.
Hey so I see a problem with most IFB churches, as in they hold tight to tradition, and in many cases preach things that aren't biblically true. But the thing is, I'm conflicted. Because I really do believe that for the most part, what they preach is Biblically sound, and I would rather attend that kind of church, than say, a Hillsong church. I know it is a commandment to be in fellowship with one another. So I wonder where grace comes in the picture here. Because I feel like no matter what church I fellowship with, there will always, always be points where I disagree, something or someone I dislike, but I feel like at the end of the day I'm going to have to deal with it somehow if I am going to have fellowship
I 100% agree that we will never find a place where we will agree with everything. I do believe that there is a good amount of doctrinal soundness, but I have also found a lot of dogmatic opinion in the preaching. I have been looking into an independent Bible church near where I live and have found the teaching to be very sound.
@@IFBPreachers Do you go to church? I really need to find one. Honestly my walk with God is in terrible shape. I want nothing more for my life that for me to be able to let go of what I want for my life, and to submit to and live Gods will, whatever that truly is. I find it very hard to do, to surrender myself
@@adams1625You’re not alone, brother. I was in IFB church for 8 years and I agree it is better than something like Hillsong. But just because those two extremes exist doesn’t mean there aren’t balanced fellowships out there. Keep seeking and knocking and asking the Lord and He will lead you to where you need to be, or even leave you in IFB in order to minister to others there. As far as surrendering your “all” to Him, stop trying to do it through your own efforts. That’s what I struggled with for years, too. Ask the Lord to show you what it looks like and where to begin. Too often we get the impression that surrender is instantaneous, and sometimes it may be. But I believe that as in anything else, it’s a process and even with reading the Bible or prayer, we are so needy and helpless that to really do it in the Spirit we actually need to humble ourselves and ask God to help us. And that is much of what surrender is, knowing that apart from His Holy Spirit moving in us, we really can’t do anything that isn’t works-based and fleshy. Hope that makes sense. “His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence.” (2 Peter 1:3).
Bro, I understand how you feel and wish the best for you and will be praying for you. I would say be very discerning and don't let yourself take less than whatever God's best is for you. I'm not being super spiritual here but the church that you choose to go will shape your walk as a Christian. I would argue that the church you attend show have many deeds that point to Christ and not just words. They should have a good name in the community around them not from the congregates but the people who do not attend. The leadership should be well educated and the main pastor should have a good seminary degree that is accredited by multiple agencies. The leadership should not have legal troubles or be involved in things that a Christian would not be involved (part of the KKK, sexual allegations, etc). the church should be humble, not taken with vain traditions, not prone to cause divisions amongst the churches, seeks the well being of everybody; not just themselves (they feed the poor, take care of the downfallen, love their everyone as Jesus loves them, etc.) if you notice, this is all stuff that God commands all of us to do, not just pastors. Sadly, the IFB has a history of not doing any of these seriously and pay lip service to them all. I am sure there are IFB churches that do all these things well and they should be applauded. However, it will be hard work to figure out which Churches would; it's already hard enough to choose a church that does all the right things. Please be careful and I hope this helps :)
Next time he preaches that a man not wearing clothes pertaining to a woman or woman wearing clothes pertaining to a man he needs to read that whole chapter and take his clothing and look at the tags it is just as wrong wearing mixed clothes material as well
Romans 14 would clear this up Roman gentiles sitting with legalistic Jewish converts. He called the ones who worried about legalism the weaker of the two
The fact that he says these things is not the most disturbing fact. The much more disturbing fact was all the amens that were yelled from the congregation. These churches are truly nothing but echo chambers.
I mean if shorts are Biblically wrong, okay then thats the way it is. But I haven't been convinced yet. "Because I say its wrong (and tell you that's what The Bible says even though it's not what The Bible says) ITS WRONG!"
Now, I wear pants always for other personal reasons. But if it is wrong to wear shorts, I would like to know why and where in The Bible it talks about something like this
Thank God there's still a few that stand for Truth and have a desire to live clean and holy. Yall are running after the reward of balaam, if you want to live worldy with no power of God fine but id be extremely careful running down men of God. Thats a dangerous way to live.
Yes, thank God for those who have a desire to live a holy life. That is what the Bible has called Christians to do. If you notice, I would say the vast majority of those who post on the videos have a belief in godly living. What we find egregious is the idea of a man implying that God would strike people dead for not living a standard he is preaching. Though he did not explicitly say that, he certainly implied it when he said that there is the same expectation between the pulpit and the pew, and then said he prayed God would kill him if he wore shorts in public. Contrast that with a sermon I heard yesterday from a pastor who has a heart for holiness and modesty, who preached what he believed the Bible said about it, even stricter than what I would personally see, but didn't have to use the "God strikes people dead" card to try and scare people into a way of life. The video is not about running down men of God, but understanding the extremes to which people go to put people in fear.
I can't quit the work to come down to you is from Nehemiah. Not one time in that book does it describe what the man had on as far as clothes. He wouldn't come and meet with people to keep him from building the walls back that God told him to build. This message has zero to do with clothes at all.
You've never have lived in the tropics. In the bahamas the men wear shorts that are modest because of the heat. You may know about the word of God, but you judge to harshly.
Strain at a gnat and swallow, a camel. Jesus ate with the sinners if someone come in your church with shorts, I didn’t hear the gospel legalism standing in the way of sinners. Where is the grace of God preach Jesus
I can understand not revealing the whole thigh and all, but I don't get saying shorts MUST go way past the kneecaps. If anyone thinks showing the kneecaps or a fraction of above them is somehow causing people to lust, they got issues. Just sayin'
I used this last night with our youth group as an example of what happens when a church fails to practice solid Biblical exegesis. If a church is studying and teaching God's Word, phrase by phrase, verse by verse, and book by book, it is very difficult to maintain the positions and mindset shared in this video. What is ironic is that preachers like this believe they have a corner on the market of being biblical, when in reality they are mostly just shouting their opinions and cherry-picking verses that fire up their base, instead of rightly handling the Word of God. They are the ones who are not practicing and teaching truth.
What’s different about believers? According to him, your dress. According to scripture, a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Typical IFB preaching: you get closer to Jesus following a list of rules that are based on my opinion.
@mspvol1wbg284 it’s choosing to look past our own sins and yet harp on others. Our personal sin should break our hearts just as much if not more than others. This pastor is sinful and in need of grace and salvation just as much as anyone else
@mspvol1wbg284 actually yes. If your gut hangs over your belt and you get out of breath walking around then that didn’t happen by mistake. But you aren’t willing to look at his issues. There is nothing wrong with calling out error. We all have them and I pray we both grow and mature but to sling stones at others with no self reflection is wrong.
Glad I got away from this legalistic nonsense 🙌🏽 This preacher is a teacher of THE LAW, and is most likely not even saved himself. Because he is focusing on the outside of the cup, just as the Pharisees in Jesus’s day did. 99% of these preachers are more sin-focused than son-focused.
@@mspvol1wbg284 ask God to forgive u all of the first person shooter video games all over your channel when you could be using it to bring him glory. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 stupid hypocrite devil
So....show me where does scripture say modesty and passing out tracts are required for salvation. Its all about an agenda. An us against them mentality. A lack of trusting that the Holy Ghost will cause a saved individual to dress appropriately and share the good news publicly is apparent in these preachers. It's also apparent they love to sit in their seat of authority and lord over their congregation with yokes of unnecessary rules and regulations that Jesus didnt place on us to begin with. We are FREE INDEED when we are In Christ!! These guys make me cringe.
Dude is just embarrassed to go to a pool party and have to take his shirt off. Creates a bunch on nonsensical pseudo-theology to justify his lack of confidence.
The problem with IFB is that they believe passing out tracts and not wearing shorts is how the world will know you are saved. The Bible says we will be known by the way we treat one another, and the way this pastor treats his congregation is like garbage…
He alluded to Deut 22:5, but made his own personally application equal to Scripture in authority. But the way he would walk away from the pulpit (and the Bible that he apparently stopped reading) to scream and shout was a turn off.
Show me in the Bible we’re not supposed to wear shorts? Show me in the Bible where my chest and shoulders his nakedness? Last time I checked, it’s from the knee to the belly button which is considered nakedness typical IFB bozo preaching the Commandments of men.
I would also like to know. As far as modesty, I do think its 100% Biblical for men to wear modest clothing. I'm not sure that means no shorts though... If you have ripped muscles, and wear those string shirts that bodybuilders wear, that I think would be immodest for men to wear. Or skin-tight clothing that shows off your body.
There could be something said for the length of the shorts. If you have bulging quads I think it could be seen as immodest to wear those shorts the ride above the knees. I think its valid to say that is immodest. But ALL SHORTS? I dont agree with that
When I go to the beach, I wear shorts that go down to at least my knees. That's my personal way of dressing. But I'm sure that I would be excoriated from the pulpit for being in a place where other people aren't dressed "modestly."
Where does it even say knees to belly button is nakedness? Maybe I'm missing the verses that clearly define this. I always viewed nakedness as without a covering. The covering being the shed blood of Christ.
It comes down to the what the word of God says, your personal walk with God and modesty. Getting people to do what you say doesn’t prove that the change was from God. Let God convict a man. Let God change his clothes. I’ve been back and forth myself over what is modest. What is pleasing to the Lord that we should wear. In my opinion a man would be honoring God more by wearing a cheap grey t shirt than to be head to toe in a suit and tie. The t shirt is a lot closer to the standards God sets in the New Testament. Pharisees loved their long robes and tassels. Ties lean more towards pharisaical behavior. A suit can be used in a lot of ways. To show power. To show being well off. But you can also buy them cheap at goodwill lol.
At the end of the day. Modesty. Cleanliness. Following God.
You better have a New Testament verse to back up what you preach to others on how to dress. Or else it’s just you enforcing your own preference for what you think pleases God.
Jesus never wore a suit. No apostle ever did. 1 Corinthians will shut that up quickly.
If anything suits were a problem from day one. That’s a rich look. Business men.
It’s a sad truth that in certain cultures people won’t think you’re worth listening to about God unless you are dressed up. They certainly would have missed treasure from Paul.
A suit is dignified.
But Paul says he was treated as the filth of the world. Naked. Hunger.
Not dressed in a suit on the way to the Mexican restaurant after meeting.
I have many brothers who wear suits. I’ve even worn them. It’s not the suit. It’s not the t shirt.
It’s has God called this man? If He has the. God surely will lead him into decisions that bring Him glory and honor.
The really scary part for me is to hear and see emotion and conviction that comes off as a from God sermon in full but what he is saying has parts of man inserting what he wants into it.
The more a man called to preach reads the word and stands before people to preach Gods word. The more careful he becomes. The weight of what he is called to. Not wanting to ever taint the truth with my own ways.
But we are all human.
Lord help us to not preach from our flesh.
For that is not preaching at all.
1 Corinthians- I came to you weak in fear and trembling.
The Spirit poured out upon a humble man that did not have the respect even of the people he came preaching to.
Mighty men have a mighty hard time with this a lot. As we all do. But if I want the strength of God I best get low. Be a weak vessel. Paul diminished himself on purpose along with Gods diminishing of him.
It’s a scary thing you see in churches where esteemed men. Men of great. Have control in the flesh over people impressed by them.
That’s why God usually doesn’t choose the mighty.
May our faith not be in the wisdom of men.
And also in my opinion in any part of other men.
Lord help us not to pick pastors based off the mighty in flesh. The war heroes. The ex sports stars.
God can certainly use any of those men. But let God do that. Not a group thinking carnally.
Amen.
I believe in dressing decently and modestly, but preachers like this guy strain at gnat. It really got me when he said if people don't think a woman is an Amish woman, she isn't dressed right. Amish women wear bonnets on their heads. Also, a man who wears short pants hasn't done something worthy of execution. Such legalists are too busy sizing people up to praise and thank Christ for his grace, mercy and redemptive work.
So glad I left that world.
How did we survive this??
@@NicholeHenderson-yl8kdYou must be a recovering fundamentist. He didn't hurt anything as big of a mess we are in.
@@philliprouse9644AMEN
I've been free since August 1st, 2023.
@@DoubleMicah2020 My wife and I just got free a couple months ago 🙌🏽. We have home church with her family now and it’s been wonderful.
This is one of those that makes the wheels in my head turn. The pastor says there is no difference of expectation in the way someone in the pew dresses and the way a pastor or pastor's wife dresses. I would say based on Biblical principle, he is correct. But then he says he prays God kills him if someone ever sees him in public dressed in shorts or without a shirt. So it makes me wonder, does he think the same thing about others? Does he pray or even think that God should strike other people dead for dressing differently than what he thinks they should?
Sounds very Pharisee and the tax collector to me. Thank God I’m not like the guy wearing shorts
Obessing over clothing is not godly in any way whatsoever at all. These people are an absolute circus of shallowness and petty issues.
Dueteronomy 22:5 Was God stressing over his peoples dress? Was Paul stressing when he commanded women to dress modesty? You need to read the bible because said alot about clothing and nakedness!
@@brianthomas9445 deuteronomy hey... how many other old testament laws are you trying to keep? We don't need to worry about outer apparel, we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and wearing the white robes of the saints.
Paul was talking to the chaotic disorganized corinthian church in the setting of a physical gathering. What I wear in my day to day life is irrelevant to my standing before God.
But please, go ahead, define exactly what the bible says we should wear.
Last I check, it never specifies. Its up to the readers discretion.
@@alanamoogk348 2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for Instruction in Righteousness.Are you saying that God didn't inspire the old testament and deuteronomy 22:5 is not profitable for instruction in righteousness? Furthermore, are you saying that Paul ( who writes about the standing in righteousness you said you have and obviously believe) was not speaking to all women in 1 tim 2:9 when he writes under the leadership of the holy spirit " that women adorn themselves in modest apparel" ( new testament by the way) doesn't apply to you? Furthermore Paul was writing this to a pastor named Timothy not the church at Corinth! Maybe you should read your Bible before you speak out of context! ROM 12:1 SAYS we should present our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God". Furthermore you said its up to the readers discretion! The bible is given to us as a guide and is to be obeyed! Knowhere does it say that it's up to the readers discretion!!!!
@@mspvol1wbg284 show me the verse that describes the requirement for clothing. Show me the biblical definition of modesty in clothing
@@mspvol1wbg284 and what I gather, you're one of those cherry picking arbitrary law followers who sits up on their pedestal looking down others who disagree, with their nose in the air like their shit dont stink.
Am I close?
Preaching his PREFERENCES and avoiding any scripture….
I love how this message is both misogynistic and misandristic at the same time 😂
He’s multitasking
Hmmm, shorts are immodest and immoral but gluttony is apparently ok. Nowhere was there a Scriptural reference. Scripture in context is missing, as usual. If we are going to go after shorts, fine, but I would include the inability to button a suit jacket across a middle as something inappropriate for a believer to wear.
@mspvol1wbg284 Hard preachin' for everyone else.
@mspvol1wbg284 Yes, the point is that it is easy to preach hard and hold everyone else really accountable on an issue like modesty, meanwhile the man has no self control regarding food. I am not saying he should not teach on modesty, or gluttony for that matter, but maybe with a little less self righteous justification knowing that he also would fall far short of the bar of perfection and holiness. These usually practice " All grace for me and none for thee"...
P.S. The topic is modesty and how we present ourselves, how we appear; it is equally wrong to present yourself as undisciplined as uncovered. That is how gluttony and immodesty are related.
@mspvol1wbg284 Ummm... No. The Bible says to be temperate in all things. Self control is included in the fruit of the Spirit.
When I was a teenager I wore jeans every day in 100+ degree weather because of preaching like this. I was too self-conscious to wear a tank top until my 30s and it's still hard for me to walk around without a shirt. Growing up I had to wear a shirt even while swimming.
That's the cultural issue I see when it comes to preaching like this. A pastor may say, "I was talking about myself," but his words don't echo in a vacuum. People are thinking about what he is saying and applying it to themselves, oft times to their own hurt.
If you use his logic, he is in violation by not wearing a dress because pants weren't the norm for males in the Bible. Only flowing garments were.
Does he know they sell beer at the Mexican Restaurant?
Yup, every single one I've been to.
Exactly. He has no problem over-eating, but he wants to condemn his congregation for wearing shorts? Like really? There are way more important issues than a man wearing shorts! This stuff gets me hot because I grew up in this crap for more than 33 years.
The sad part is his congregation agrees.
Cults gonna cult.
Call it whatever you want. I LOVW MY PASTOR GAVIN FLATT
I'm Lutheran....can someone explain what is going on?? Shorts????
IFB = religious social club, and I think that is being generous.
What about the male members of his parish that still think that artificial birth control and engaging in immoral sex practices are just fine and dandy???? The word "mortification" of the flesh is usually absent in sermons these days.
Hey so I see a problem with most IFB churches, as in they hold tight to tradition, and in many cases preach things that aren't biblically true. But the thing is, I'm conflicted. Because I really do believe that for the most part, what they preach is Biblically sound, and I would rather attend that kind of church, than say, a Hillsong church.
I know it is a commandment to be in fellowship with one another. So I wonder where grace comes in the picture here. Because I feel like no matter what church I fellowship with, there will always, always be points where I disagree, something or someone I dislike, but I feel like at the end of the day I'm going to have to deal with it somehow if I am going to have fellowship
I 100% agree that we will never find a place where we will agree with everything. I do believe that there is a good amount of doctrinal soundness, but I have also found a lot of dogmatic opinion in the preaching. I have been looking into an independent Bible church near where I live and have found the teaching to be very sound.
@@IFBPreachers Do you go to church? I really need to find one. Honestly my walk with God is in terrible shape. I want nothing more for my life that for me to be able to let go of what I want for my life, and to submit to and live Gods will, whatever that truly is. I find it very hard to do, to surrender myself
We haven't been attending at this time, but we have been looking and are considering where we want to attend.
@@adams1625You’re not alone, brother. I was in IFB church for 8 years and I agree it is better than something like Hillsong. But just because those two extremes exist doesn’t mean there aren’t balanced fellowships out there. Keep seeking and knocking and asking the Lord and He will lead you to where you need to be, or even leave you in IFB in order to minister to others there.
As far as surrendering your “all” to Him, stop trying to do it through your own efforts. That’s what I struggled with for years, too. Ask the Lord to show you what it looks like and where to begin. Too often we get the impression that surrender is instantaneous, and sometimes it may be. But I believe that as in anything else, it’s a process and even with reading the Bible or prayer, we are so needy and helpless that to really do it in the Spirit we actually need to humble ourselves and ask God to help us. And that is much of what surrender is, knowing that apart from His Holy Spirit moving in us, we really can’t do anything that isn’t works-based and fleshy.
Hope that makes sense.
“His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence.” (2 Peter 1:3).
Bro, I understand how you feel and wish the best for you and will be praying for you. I would say be very discerning and don't let yourself take less than whatever God's best is for you. I'm not being super spiritual here but the church that you choose to go will shape your walk as a Christian. I would argue that the church you attend show have many deeds that point to Christ and not just words. They should have a good name in the community around them not from the congregates but the people who do not attend. The leadership should be well educated and the main pastor should have a good seminary degree that is accredited by multiple agencies. The leadership should not have legal troubles or be involved in things that a Christian would not be involved (part of the KKK, sexual allegations, etc). the church should be humble, not taken with vain traditions, not prone to cause divisions amongst the churches, seeks the well being of everybody; not just themselves (they feed the poor, take care of the downfallen, love their everyone as Jesus loves them, etc.) if you notice, this is all stuff that God commands all of us to do, not just pastors. Sadly, the IFB has a history of not doing any of these seriously and pay lip service to them all. I am sure there are IFB churches that do all these things well and they should be applauded. However, it will be hard work to figure out which Churches would; it's already hard enough to choose a church that does all the right things. Please be careful and I hope this helps :)
Next time he preaches that a man not wearing clothes pertaining to a woman or woman wearing clothes pertaining to a man he needs to read that whole chapter and take his clothing and look at the tags it is just as wrong wearing mixed clothes material as well
Romans 14 would clear this up Roman gentiles sitting with legalistic Jewish converts. He called the ones who worried about legalism the weaker of the two
The fact that he says these things is not the most disturbing fact. The much more disturbing fact was all the amens that were yelled from the congregation. These churches are truly nothing but echo chambers.
Amen! Preach it brother
I mean if shorts are Biblically wrong, okay then thats the way it is. But I haven't been convinced yet. "Because I say its wrong (and tell you that's what The Bible says even though it's not what The Bible says) ITS WRONG!"
Now, I wear pants always for other personal reasons. But if it is wrong to wear shorts, I would like to know why and where in The Bible it talks about something like this
Thank God there's still a few that stand for Truth and have a desire to live clean and holy.
Yall are running after the reward of balaam, if you want to live worldy with no power of God fine but id be extremely careful running down men of God. Thats a dangerous way to live.
Yes, thank God for those who have a desire to live a holy life. That is what the Bible has called Christians to do.
If you notice, I would say the vast majority of those who post on the videos have a belief in godly living. What we find egregious is the idea of a man implying that God would strike people dead for not living a standard he is preaching. Though he did not explicitly say that, he certainly implied it when he said that there is the same expectation between the pulpit and the pew, and then said he prayed God would kill him if he wore shorts in public.
Contrast that with a sermon I heard yesterday from a pastor who has a heart for holiness and modesty, who preached what he believed the Bible said about it, even stricter than what I would personally see, but didn't have to use the "God strikes people dead" card to try and scare people into a way of life. The video is not about running down men of God, but understanding the extremes to which people go to put people in fear.
I can't quit the work to come down to you is from Nehemiah. Not one time in that book does it describe what the man had on as far as clothes. He wouldn't come and meet with people to keep him from building the walls back that God told him to build. This message has zero to do with clothes at all.
What about basketball players who wear shorts?
He didn’t mention one actual verse! I can actually justify shorts based on Scripture more than pants.
Riding hobby horses rather than preaching to teach, build-up and equip the people for the work of the ministry.
No Bible verse saying men can’t wear shorts as long as they cover the loins to the thigh
Exactly
We do too...
That makes two of us there.
Well I know a lot of Preachers who"dress right" and they,ll be the first one to stab you in the back .
I wonder what he would say about IN VITRO FERTILIZATION? Would he allow one of his parishioners to conceive children by using IVF ?
Probably not
You've never have lived in the tropics. In the bahamas the men wear shorts that are modest because of the heat. You may know about the word of God, but you judge to harshly.
Strain at a gnat and swallow, a camel. Jesus ate with the sinners if someone come in your church with shorts, I didn’t hear the gospel legalism standing in the way of sinners. Where is the grace of God preach Jesus
her comes the Pharisees.....
I can understand not revealing the whole thigh and all, but I don't get saying shorts MUST go way past the kneecaps.
If anyone thinks showing the kneecaps or a fraction of above them is somehow causing people to lust, they got issues. Just sayin'
He didnt hurt snything.problem is yall are soft as Charmin
The louder they scream the less they have of any real truth
These preacher is Fn crazy
It's known that the Lord God Almighty wants silence, decency, solemness, and orderliness in his temples. This man is sinning big time.
I used this last night with our youth group as an example of what happens when a church fails to practice solid Biblical exegesis. If a church is studying and teaching God's Word, phrase by phrase, verse by verse, and book by book, it is very difficult to maintain the positions and mindset shared in this video. What is ironic is that preachers like this believe they have a corner on the market of being biblical, when in reality they are mostly just shouting their opinions and cherry-picking verses that fire up their base, instead of rightly handling the Word of God. They are the ones who are not practicing and teaching truth.
wow this is the worst thank you Jesus this is not even close to right! Poor guy...
I read King James wore a bikini like, A LOT.
What’s different about believers? According to him, your dress. According to scripture, a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Typical IFB preaching: you get closer to Jesus following a list of rules that are based on my opinion.
Shorts = Sin
Gluttony = ????
@mspvol1wbg284 it’s choosing to look past our own sins and yet harp on others. Our personal sin should break our hearts just as much if not more than others. This pastor is sinful and in need of grace and salvation just as much as anyone else
@mspvol1wbg284 based off the way he looks. Isn’t that the same type of judgement he is using?
@mspvol1wbg284 actually yes. If your gut hangs over your belt and you get out of breath walking around then that didn’t happen by mistake. But you aren’t willing to look at his issues. There is nothing wrong with calling out error. We all have them and I pray we both grow and mature but to sling stones at others with no self reflection is wrong.
Glad I got away from this legalistic nonsense 🙌🏽
This preacher is a teacher of THE LAW, and is most likely not even saved himself. Because he is focusing on the outside of the cup, just as the Pharisees in Jesus’s day did. 99% of these preachers are more sin-focused than son-focused.
I don’t care what Bible you use, you won’t see one scripture on clothing..
Why do preachers scream lol that would make me want to leave immediately lol homiletics I think its called?
Called preaching, read the Bible
@@philliprouse9644 I agree, its just sometimes its like BRO CHILL OUT lol
@@adams1625 I know these men personally. They teach the Bible as well in a different gear but when it's preaching time it's preaching time.
@@philliprouse9644 Yeah but what I'm saying is some like to RIP YOUR FACE OFF every sermon
Like they thoroughly enjoy hurting people and stickin it to em @@philliprouse9644
Sick. God's heart has to be broken.
Fat boy is out of breath taking 1 step and needs to get some sun for health.
@@mspvol1wbg284 ask God to forgive u all of the first person shooter video games all over your channel when you could be using it to bring him glory. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 stupid hypocrite devil
This is preaching? God help us!
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So....show me where does scripture say modesty and passing out tracts are required for salvation.
Its all about an agenda. An us against them mentality. A lack of trusting that the Holy Ghost will cause a saved individual to dress appropriately and share the good news publicly is apparent in these preachers. It's also apparent they love to sit in their seat of authority and lord over their congregation with yokes of unnecessary rules and regulations that Jesus didnt place on us to begin with. We are FREE INDEED when we are In Christ!! These guys make me cringe.
What a shallow way to try to be Christlike.
Dude is just embarrassed to go to a pool party and have to take his shirt off. Creates a bunch on nonsensical pseudo-theology to justify his lack of confidence.
The problem with IFB is that they believe passing out tracts and not wearing shorts is how the world will know you are saved. The Bible says we will be known by the way we treat one another, and the way this pastor treats his congregation is like garbage…
babdist
This guy was not preaching the Bible
He alluded to Deut 22:5, but made his own personally application equal to Scripture in authority. But the way he would walk away from the pulpit (and the Bible that he apparently stopped reading) to scream and shout was a turn off.
I failed to find the passage against wearing shorts 🩳
Show me in the Bible we’re not supposed to wear shorts? Show me in the Bible where my chest and shoulders his nakedness? Last time I checked, it’s from the knee to the belly button which is considered nakedness typical IFB bozo preaching the Commandments of men.
I would also like to know. As far as modesty, I do think its 100% Biblical for men to wear modest clothing. I'm not sure that means no shorts though... If you have ripped muscles, and wear those string shirts that bodybuilders wear, that I think would be immodest for men to wear. Or skin-tight clothing that shows off your body.
There could be something said for the length of the shorts. If you have bulging quads I think it could be seen as immodest to wear those shorts the ride above the knees. I think its valid to say that is immodest. But ALL SHORTS? I dont agree with that
When I go to the beach, I wear shorts that go down to at least my knees. That's my personal way of dressing. But I'm sure that I would be excoriated from the pulpit for being in a place where other people aren't dressed "modestly."
@@IFBPreachers Yeah I think there's some validity to this pastors claims, but ALL SHORTS? Yeah I think that's a strech
Where does it even say knees to belly button is nakedness? Maybe I'm missing the verses that clearly define this. I always viewed nakedness as without a covering. The covering being the shed blood of Christ.
Why can women show up to the bottom of their knee caps, but men can’t? 🫤